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Speaker 1: Hello Bechdel Cast listeners. It's May, which means the Shrek

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Speaker 1: speaking of I me Caitlin, am doing a stand up

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Speaker 2: On the bechdodcast, the questions asked if movies have women

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Speaker 1: The gods whispered to the podcaster. You will not withstand

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Speaker 1: the fury. The podcaster whispers back, I am the Fury.

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Speaker 3: And then and then we eat shit live on YouTube. Yeah, yes, perfect, perfect,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. I think you know personally,

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Speaker 3: I know it's an audio medium, but Caitlin did just

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't know. I'm not yunis.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what stunt words. They did the whole stunt.

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Speaker 1: It was a flying reverse spin kick and I executed

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Speaker 1: it perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh uh huh absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. By the way, Yes,

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Speaker 1: my name is Caitlin Dorante.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jamie Laughtus, and this is our podcast

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Speaker 3: where we talk about your favorite movies using an intersection

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Speaker 3: of feminist lens.

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Speaker 1: It's so true, and we use the Bechdel Test as

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Speaker 1: a jumping off point. It's a media metric created by

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Speaker 1: a queer cartoonist, Alison Bechdel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test.

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Speaker 1: And one passes this test when two characters on a

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Speaker 1: test is no, I don't know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Sorry. It's eight am for us listeners today.

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Speaker 3: It will soon become clear why this is necessary, but

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Speaker 3: it is eight in the morning, and so sometimes the

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Speaker 1: It's very true. Anyway, the Bechdel test is passed, at

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Speaker 1: least our version of it. When two characters of a

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Speaker 1: marginalized gender have names, they have to speak to each other,

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Speaker 1: and their conversation has to be about something other and

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Speaker 3: So give us, give us them, little Chris. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: think honestly, we got to just get our guest in

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Speaker 3: here because our guest has actually been awake for a

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Speaker 4: This week, we are covering a.

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Speaker 3: Movie that I feel like did not get enough at

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Speaker 3: But when I was really excited to watch and we've

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Speaker 3: gotten some requests for Polite Society, I loved it and

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to bring in our guest in chat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she is a writer, journalist, musician. She wrote a

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Speaker 1: piece about this very movie entitled Unhinged and Unafraid. Polite

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Speaker 1: Society is a story told by and for Brown women.

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Speaker 4: It's Piere Mussa.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Hi, It's so great to be here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: No, thank you, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 4: Live from eight pm. Yes, how is your day?

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Speaker 5: My day was full, fuller than yours at least our.

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Speaker 1: It's just well, now that we're doing this podcast with you,

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Speaker 4: Wow, that was really beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Did we did? We just fast the beck of guest?

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Speaker 3: We really loved your piece, and we usually start the

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Speaker 3: conversation by asking our guests what I mean, it's a

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Speaker 5: Awesome Okay, So I came across this movie because I

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Speaker 5: like there's been like a lot of talk around action

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Speaker 5: What's Love Got to do with It? Like it's like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, what a breath of fresh air this movie is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jamie what about you? What's your relationship with it?

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Speaker 3: This was my first time actually seeing this movie. I

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Speaker 3: But we were talking about this before we started recording.

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Speaker 3: it's just really exciting. So I was really looking forward

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Speaker 3: But outside of that, I just I truly was like

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Speaker 3: but like the midpoint in this movie where I just

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Speaker 1: to find any dirt on Salim from his laptop, so

435
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Ria moves on to phase three, a smear campaign where

436
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Ria plans to plant dirt on Salim by way of

437
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: breaking into the Shaw residence and putting quote unquote used

438
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: condoms all over Salim's bedroom, which is really just condoms

439
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: filled with so much lotion.

440
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: It's a bold move.

441
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: It's give her credit where credit is due.

442
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: It's a bold move.

443
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: It's just funny that she doesn't seem to know how

444
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: much come gets ejaculated.

445
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: No, I was like, what what ceatures we're on?

446
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: Wait, guys, is that that's not normal?

447
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Jimmy, you might want to have your sexual partners get

448
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: looked at by a doctor.

449
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: That's not a regular amount of.

450
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: Com Yeah, that's like a blue whale amount of comic.

451
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 5: And this is this is the point where I ask

452
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 5: my mom to not watch this. Yeah, but it's.

453
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: Like such a good detail. I just God, I feel

454
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: like I'm just gonna it's like the Nita Manzor fan hour.

455
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: But like, she just has such a good eye for details.

456
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: She's so awesome.

457
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Yeah, Okay. So and then Ria does

458
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: all of this alone because she is being an ungrateful

459
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: jerk to her friends Clara and Alba, so they bail.

460
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: While planting this incriminating evidence, Ria discovers a wedding photo

461
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: of Salim and another woman, so she thinks he's already married.

462
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: And Ria gets caught by Rahila. She's like, what are

463
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: you doing in my house?

464
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 4: Because of course she gets caught. I was like, I

465
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: don't know.

466
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: I think I was just movie pilled where I was like,

467
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: she's gonna get away.

468
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: You're like, no way to get to get away.

469
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: She's like sixteen and walking around with fake come like it.

470
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 4: She's gonna get caught.

471
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she does, and then her whole family comes

472
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: over and they're like what the fuck Ria, And then

473
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: Salim explains that that photo of the other one is

474
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: his first wife, who died of a heart attack during childbirth,

475
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: and that's why he does the work that he does now.

476
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: He's focusing on women's symptoms so that something like that

477
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: won't happen again.

478
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: Really awesome acting choices by actually Khana here, I thought

479
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: were like this was the first time where when he's like.

480
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: No, I just cared too much about it.

481
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: I promised I would never let a woman feel pain again.

482
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 3: And you're like, m he's lying, he's lying, he's lying.

483
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: It's all a bit dramatic.

484
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: I was too distracted by how hot he was.

485
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: Of course, I feel like I've seen too many of

486
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: the same face here doing the same things that he does,

487
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: so I'm immune. No, there's nothing.

488
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: That makes sense either way. Everyone is furious with Rhea,

489
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: and she is devastated that she's going to be losing

490
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: her sister. She feels like, also, Lena isn't talking to

491
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: her right now, so things are messy. We then see

492
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: this weird dreamlike scene where Lena is sort of half

493
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: conscious and Selim is kind of hovering over her, and

494
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: we're like, hmm, what's that about. And then we see

495
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: Ria going over to Rahila's house to apologize for breaking

496
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: in and being messy, and Rahila is like, it's okay,

497
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: come in, I'm having a spa day. But then it

498
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: immediately gets weird and Rahila is like, this wedding is

499
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: going to happen. Stop trying to interfere. And there's this

500
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: part where a body hair waxing scene is mapped onto

501
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: a like evil mastermind in an action movie torture scene,

502
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: and it's very very funny.

503
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: So this twist though, is like this is like where

504
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: the movie starts to You're like.

505
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: What thinking's going on?

506
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: So fucking awesome here where I feel like there's I

507
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: was expected at this point. I'm like, okay, I feel

508
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: like the younger sibling, Like all these tropes are a

509
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: younger siblings they're little stinkers.

510
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: They're projecting.

511
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: You know, this movie's gonna end with Ria accepting that

512
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: Lena has to move on with her life and blah

513
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, but they'll always.

514
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: Love each other.

515
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: But then it's like, no, all of her worst fears

516
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: are true and the only way to get out is

517
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: through martial arts that she learned on YouTube.

518
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: And you're like, whoa, Okay, it's so awesome. I love

519
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: the twist. It's great.

520
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, so good.

521
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so what we're about to find out? Because Ria

522
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: is freaked out and she runs off and there's another

523
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of like action movie fight scene where she's fighting

524
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: off the SPA people, and then she runs into this

525
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: room to hide, where she discovers a medical lab with

526
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: all of this like freaky equipment, and there are fetuses,

527
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: and then there's data on her and on Lena about

528
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: like fertility levels and uterus strength, and Lena's numbers are

529
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: really high, making her a quote unquote ideal host. And

530
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Ria realizes that the Shaws plan to use Lena as

531
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: some kind of like uterine vessel.

532
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: Freaky vessel.

533
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Ria runs home and explains all of this

534
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: to her mom who doesn't believe Ria and tells her

535
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: to drop it. So then Ria goes back to her

536
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: friends Clara and Alba to apologize and enlist their help

537
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: again to rescue Lena at her wedding and get her

538
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: away from Salem and Rahila before they can abduct her

539
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: and take her to Singapore. So they hatch a plan,

540
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: but they need a way to escape, so they ask

541
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: the bully girl Kovas for help because she has a car.

542
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: She refuses at first, but then agrees to help, so

543
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: then we cut to the wedding. Ria has been asked

544
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: to perform a dance and she does it before she's

545
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: supposed to, but that's part of the plan to distract Rahuila,

546
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: while Alba and Clara, who are disguised as waiters, sneak

547
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: into Lena's room to chloroform her and kidnap her. And

548
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: then Rahela realizes that Lena is gone, and so she

549
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: and Ria have this big showdown, during which Ria finds

550
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: out the full story of what's going on. Raheila was

551
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: married off at a young age and had to sacrifice

552
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: everything she wanted, so Selim is going to clone her

553
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: and use Lena's womb to host the clone baby so

554
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: that Rahela can start over fresh and reach her full potential.

555
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: And we're like mm hm, yes, yes, exactly, what wouldn't

556
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: you exactly? I mean I would like to start over sometimes.

557
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that.

558
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: Like again, just like really cool reveal of her motive.

559
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: Like she's like, no, I'm I don't want your sister

560
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: as a baby machine, but that doesn't mean I respect

561
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: her bodily autonomy.

562
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: And you're like mmmmmmmm yes.

563
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: So they have this fight and Ria effectively loses, and

564
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Rahela gets her hands on Lena again and locks Ria, Clara,

565
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: and Alba away, but then Kolvax comes to rescue them

566
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: and freeze them. Then the wedding star ceremony starts and

567
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Lena is in this daze, probably from the Chlora form,

568
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and she doesn't really know what's going on. She's about

569
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to marry Selim, but Ria and her friends come storming in.

570
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: Ria now has a gun that she stole from a

571
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: security guard.

572
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: Also, this is a minor character, but Ria's established as

573
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: having a bully who has I don't like the phrase

574
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: daddy issues, so I'm choosing from here here onward to

575
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: call it father problems.

576
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, papa problems.

577
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she's got She's exactly. It's just so infantilizing

578
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: to say daddy issues and but I have them, but

579
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: their father problems. So she has father problems and then

580
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: she returns they I like that. It all comes around,

581
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: and now now the bully is friend love when that happens,

582
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: but her, like father problems are resolved in the space

583
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: of two line of dialogue, like where Ria's like, hey,

584
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: thanks and sorry about all that stuff we said about

585
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: your dad not loving you, and She's.

586
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: Like, it's all good. I don't my dad's a fucked

587
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: up person.

588
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: You're like, well, okay, cool, and like that resolves in

589
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: the middle of this huge set piece. You're like, oh,

590
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: good for that bully.

591
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: She fixed it.

592
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: She realized that her papa does have problems. Yeah, and

593
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: it's not her fault.

594
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: Boost Yeah exactly.

595
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: And she goes through all of that in the middle

596
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: of an active kidnapping. Yes, and I celebrate.

597
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 5: That martial arts is always the solution.

598
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: Violence is the answer fixes things.

599
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: Yes.

600
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Okay. So she takes everyone at the wedding hostage with

601
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: this gun she has, and she explains to Lena that

602
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: Selim is going to put a clone of Huila into

603
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: her uterus, which trugs some memories for Lena of like

604
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: these weird and invasive experiments that Selim was doing on her,

605
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: and so she's like, whoa, my sister's right. And then

606
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Ria and Lina and their family and friends fight back

607
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: against everyone else at the wedding. So there's like this

608
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: big fight, and then there's the final showdown between Ria

609
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and Lina and Rahela and Selim basically the cons versus

610
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: the Shaws, and Ria finally does the flying reverse spinkick

611
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: to defeat Rahila. Meanwhile, Lena is kicking the shit out

612
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: of Selim, and then the sisters drive off and they

613
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: make amends, and then they go get burgers at a

614
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: diner and then Ria gets an email from Unice Hooteart

615
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: inviting her to brunch and they all live happily ever after.

616
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: So that's the movie. Let's take another quick break and

617
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: we'll come back to discuss and we are back, right,

618
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: So where shall we begin? There's lots to talk about

619
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: so much.

620
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, where would you like to start?

621
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the sisters. I mean, like, yeah, there's

622
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 5: barely like any content out there own sisters, and it's

623
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: so like like for a movie that passes the Bechdel Test,

624
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 5: like this is like such a gold mine to start with,

625
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 5: Like sister relationships are so like I love that this

626
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 5: was like a like a Shaddy, which means wedding, like

627
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 5: wedding based movie, but like based around women's relationships and

628
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 5: sister relationships, because there's so much conversation around weddings that

629
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: revolves around women's relationships and how they're affected and how

630
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 5: they're traumatized by it, and there's such little representation of

631
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: that that corner spec typically like the sister corner of

632
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 5: like what weddings and Shadi's result in. And it's like

633
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 5: like I I love that the sister dynamic was so

634
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 5: turbulent and so chaotic and it wasn't like sanitized, and

635
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 5: like the fight scene was so like like I was

636
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: like washed is going on.

637
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: It's intense. Yeah, they're like bashing each other's heads against

638
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: broken glass.

639
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: They just destroy their parents' house like it's it's great, It's.

640
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's messed up, and like I love that

641
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 5: it's so messed up. And Nitha Manzuo does this thing

642
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 5: where like she doesn't shy away from anything ugly or

643
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 5: messed up, and like the choices that she makes are

644
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 5: so interesting, like to have the like this gigantic action

645
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 5: scene with like shattering glass and screaming and blood be

646
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: about like the relationship between two sisters. Says like so

647
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 5: much about their relationship and it isn't like, oh, you know,

648
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 5: we love each other, we support each other, Like that

649
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: relationship has so much the governor, and I'm glad that,

650
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 5: like she she took the initiative to show all the

651
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: kind of complex shades and that relationship and like, like

652
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 5: I love so much that in that specific fight as well,

653
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 5: like she was just like, oh he thinks he knows

654
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: you or something, and he says you're kind, but like

655
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: you're arrogant, you're an egoistical, and you're an artist, and

656
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 5: like it's it's so true that like like there's this

657
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 5: thing with sisters where they just like know each other

658
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 5: so well, and I don't know, I don't know that

659
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 5: anybody else will be able to, especially not like men.

660
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that they're so unwaveringly supportive of

661
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: each other's interests, like.

662
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, even when they're being assholes to each other.

663
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's really cool to see because, like,

664
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're in the same generation, and so

665
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, I get it, you want to

666
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: be a stunt woman. This is not something that our

667
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: parents really understand or are that supportive of. And then

668
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: the other sister wants to be an artist. Similarly, their

669
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: parents are like, going to art school isn't serious and

670
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: you were brave for dropping out. So there's this, you know,

671
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: generational gap where their parents don't really understand their interests.

672
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: But the two sisters are supportive of each other because

673
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: they kind of have to be because their parents are

674
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: not really on board. So that was really cool to see.

675
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a very relatable thing. Yeah, I

676
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: just I love that we see the supportive side of it,

677
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: the loving side of it, but also the very messy

678
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: them bashing each other against walls and stuff. But also

679
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: it's revealed that like it probably didn't happen as violently

680
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: as it seems to be on screen, because then cut

681
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: to the next scene and Rhea doesn't have any of

682
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: the blood on her anymore, or any of like the

683
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: cuts so very exaggerated, like it's magic.

684
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I really, I mean I thought that it just,

685
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean, just I agree with everything you both said.

686
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: I wanted to also add I don't know, I really

687
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: like the older younger sister dynamic going on because even

688
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: though I don't I don't have I mean I have.

689
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: I grew up with all my cousins, and I feel

690
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: like I had a couple of different older sister you

691
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: know figures that I was constantly like admiring but arguing with,

692
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: and you know, projecting onto and all this stuff. And

693
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 3: I think it's like really well built out where it's

694
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: like and Ria eventually understands this and vocalizes this, but

695
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: like she is first of all afraid for her sister

696
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: because she views her sister entering this relationship, which I

697
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: think is convincingly like this relationship might not suck at

698
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: the beginning. Those early scenes are very convincing. But like

699
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 3: I think that, like it makes total sense that Ria

700
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 3: is like, well, if this could happen to you, this

701
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: could happen to me, and I don't want and so

702
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 3: I will fight against it with with everything I've got.

703
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: And it just felt like such a specific little sister

704
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: like mentality and clearly comes from love and to some

705
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: extent being naive, but then also she ends up being

706
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: totally correct.

707
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: So I don't know, like.

708
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: It's it's a little like you can you can see

709
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: it in a lot of ways, but I just like, yeah, there,

710
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: their relationship was cool and I liked that, you know,

711
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: even though it turns out he was doing evil experiments

712
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: on her in the night time. Uh that Lena is

713
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: very you know, like stands her ground and you know,

714
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're both smart and which is why

715
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: they're always arguing. And I just yeah, I thought like

716
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: the very particular older younger sister dynamic was like very

717
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: clear and very specific and and I just love where

718
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: I feel like it's uh difficult, especially in a comedy,

719
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: for like the characters to be developed through action scenes,

720
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: but that is happening in almost every scene.

721
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 4: It's great.

722
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: I know, I love it. I mean just to like

723
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: zoom out a little bit. Like this movie, like you said,

724
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: it focuses so much on women and their relationships with

725
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: each other. Because not only do we have this sister dynamic,

726
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: we've got a focus on friendships among women with Rhea

727
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: and her friends and then the bully girl becomes their friend.

728
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: We also have a mother daughter dynamic where like their

729
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: father is present in the story, but he gets way

730
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: less screen time than their mom Fatima. So I like

731
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: that that is like given focus and I mean just

732
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: in general, like this is representation we rarely see in

733
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: Western movies of you know, brown Muslim women. The movie

734
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: was written and directed by brown Muslim women. Again, it

735
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: focuses on women. It focuses on women in action where

736
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: women are like doing the action and that's moving the

737
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: story forward, which is usually not what we see in

738
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: action movies. It's women being funny and generating the humor. Again,

739
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a rare thing, but like comedy movies

740
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: often don't let women be the funny ones or have jokes.

741
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: And all of the humor in this movie derives from

742
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: from the women and their antics. And I don't know,

743
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: there's just so much to love. Sorry, I just had

744
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: to like give a list.

745
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 5: No, that's so like, that's so true. I was thinking

746
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 5: about the Bechdel test again while you were saying this, Like,

747
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 5: I think this one like actually wins because it's like

748
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 5: there's it's it's not like there's like a conversation with

749
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 5: doing women, Like there's no men like that there's no

750
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 5: men doing any like women did all the fighting. I

751
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: think there was maybe, Like so I wrote this in

752
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 5: the article the first time around, Then the second time

753
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: round when I watched it, like I realized, there's maybe

754
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 5: like one tiny shot of like a dude kicking someone

755
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 5: from the distance, and that's it, Like that's that's the

756
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 5: representation that men fighting get and like it's so cool

757
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 5: to like see that, like, Okay, the protagonist and like

758
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: the leader the driver is a woman, and then the

759
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 5: her rival, like the evil, wicked nemesis that she has,

760
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: is also a woman, and that power just like revolves

761
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: around women characters and all of the side characters that

762
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: have like narratives and storylines alongside all of this also women,

763
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 5: And it's it's so refreshing to see that we didn't

764
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 5: need to see like any men's arcs. Like Slim, they

765
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 5: didn't like I mean, yes, like he sucks, he's terrible,

766
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 5: and like, well, I feel like we need a section

767
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 5: on Mama's voice, but like he didn't do much, Like

768
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 5: there wasn't even an arc Like with Rahila. I think

769
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: there's still like an arc like where you've got to

770
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 5: know her a little bit, like with Salim. It's like

771
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 5: in the first instance where like Ria catches him at

772
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 5: the eight party and you see like kind of his

773
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: dynamic with the mom, like you're like, okay, Mama's boy,

774
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: and that's just essentially I mean, it grows more horrendous,

775
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 5: but that's that's what it is. And with Rahila, we

776
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: still get like a little bit of an arc. We

777
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: learn her backstory, and I'm glad that, like for once,

778
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 5: it isn't like women that get like a really cheap

779
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 5: side narrative that ends up eyeing the whole story together

780
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 5: and the end just for convenience. And it's like the

781
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: convenience storylines were the men, and the drivers were the women.

782
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 5: And that's I think that's really cool.

783
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: Salim is just a puppet of Rare heelas she's like,

784
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: do my bidding, son, right.

785
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to I wanted to flow this because it's

786
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's if it's a stereotype or

787
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: a stock character that we've talked about at the show,

788
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: but just because I saw I mean, for the most part,

789
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: the reviews of this movie were glowing incredible, and like,

790
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, I am hard pressed to be to

791
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: criticize it because I feel like it's it's just like

792
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: so much shit that I'm like, I don't want there

793
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: to be any But I did see a little bit

794
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 3: of criticism around the slim character as falling into stereotypes

795
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: around South Asian men as being Mama's boys, and a

796
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: few other characters being cited. I don't feel like I'm

797
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: sort of able to intelligently comment on it, but I

798
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: just wanted to, I guess float that i'd seen that,

799
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: And yeah.

800
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 5: So I like, I mean, I don't think we have

801
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 5: like enough representation of like South Asian people on a

802
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 5: global platform for us to for me to even like

803
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 5: make a decision about whether this is stereotyp because we

804
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: don't even get this kind of representation. So like this

805
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 5: is a celebration for me. And I think that it

806
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 5: did like so many things right, and like there is

807
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 5: an existing stereotype of Mama's boys in South Asia that's

808
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 5: like in Pakistan, It's very very prevalent amongst like, like

809
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 5: it is an existing stereotype that I have ranted about

810
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: to my friends like godless times, and there have been

811
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 5: there's there's been so many examples. So I wouldn't like

812
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 5: I have some qualms with the film, but I don't

813
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 5: think this would be it because I was like, yes,

814
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 5: this is I've seen like seventy of Salima like yesterday

815
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 5: at all.

816
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: That's the thing.

817
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Some tropes are born from reality.

818
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: I felt the same way.

819
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: To some extent about Rahuila as yeah, the villain and

820
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: some of the tropes that are employed there because I

821
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: but I have mixed feelings about it because on one hand,

822
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: kind of on the surface, you could read it as, oh,

823
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: it's an older woman who is resentful of younger women

824
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: and she wants to relive her youth and all of

825
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: this stuff. It is contextualized because we learn that she

826
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: was married off kind of against her will as a

827
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: young woman. She presumably got pregnant soon after with Selim,

828
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: and basically just didn't have the opportunity to live the

829
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: life she wanted to live and to realize her full potential.

830
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: And totally fair to resent that, but she does it

831
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: at the expense of another woman's body and autonomy. But

832
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: that's why she's the villain, and like framed as the villain,

833
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: the movie is obviously recognizing that that's bad, but I

834
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: don't know, it's tricky maybe I just wish we knew

835
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: more a little more about her backstory and a little

836
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: more about what she did want to do, like what

837
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: potential she wanted to try to achieve.

838
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: That could have been easy place to even connect, like

839
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: did she want to be an artist? Like there they

840
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: were like sort of connect her story to Lena's a

841
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: little bit.

842
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had the same thought.

843
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: I I get, like, I I it sucks because I'm like, oh,

844
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 3: but she's so I love how evil she is.

845
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 4: I like and and I love like the big action.

846
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: The big boss is very rarely a woman much less

847
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: like a woman who's like over forty or fifty or

848
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: what I had a who knows how it but like,

849
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 3: you know, like a grown woman villain is awesome. And

850
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: also I feel like it comes, yeah, like with all

851
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: of this baggage that you sort of have to untangle.

852
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: I think it like probably could have been handled a

853
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 3: little better. I liked that there was at least an

854
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 3: attempt to contextualize it, and like it played on the

855
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: idea that you know, she and Salim are really invested in,

856
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: you know, almost forcing Lena to reproduce, but then reveal

857
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: that it's like the evil thing about her is that

858
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: she is so like, she is so hurt that she

859
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: didn't get an opportunity to live out her potential, that

860
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: she has no issue with taking that from someone else.

861
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: So I feel like that like got around some of

862
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: the tropiness, but it definitely is.

863
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: Like you can't avoid it. It's for sure there.

864
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: I just like, I just do love it so much.

865
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: So it almost feels like the modern update of the

866
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: evil queen in snow white kind of thing.

867
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's step like an evil mother in law

868
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: stepmother kind of thing.

869
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's definitely more contextualized than it is in those,

870
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, like evil stepmommy fairy tale movies, but I can't.

871
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: Every time I watch it does rub me the wrong

872
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: way a little bit. But then I listen to an

873
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: interview with the writer, director Nida Monsur in NPR where,

874
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: when asked what she wanted to explore by writing a

875
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: villain who's a woman, Nita says, it's been the women

876
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: who've uplifted me the most in my life, but who've

877
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: also cut me down the hardest. There's something about the

878
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: pain of a woman critiquing another woman that hurts more

879
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: than when a man does it. Like you should be

880
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: on my team. It just cuts deep on a whole

881
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: other level. And so for me, I'm most interested in

882
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: seeing the matriarch who upholds the patriarchy. The dark feminine

883
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: is so beautiful because it's something that we have to quash,

884
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: we've had to deny. Getting to show the light in

885
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: the dark sitting together was really so exciting for me unquote.

886
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, that whole interview is like, is so insightful

887
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: and thoughtful, and like, I don't know, I think with that,

888
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, let her cook.

889
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, like right, especially because yes, Rahila is

890
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: framed as this you know, like overbearing mother who has

891
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: created this like mama's boy son and all of that.

892
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: But we don't see those same tropes applied to Riha

893
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: and Lina's parents. And that's also something that Nitemunsor spoke

894
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: about in this interview. She said how she deliberately wanted

895
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: to subvert the trope of the like super strict immigrant

896
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: parents for Ria and Lena's parents. She says, quote, it

897
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: was so important for me to see the parents kind

898
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of occupy this very nuanced space of loving and supporting

899
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: their children but also being worried for them and nudging

900
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: them in a certain direction. The film is joyful because

901
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: our stories can be more than just sad and traumatic.

902
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: They're full of joy and nuance unquote. So again, yeah,

903
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: like the trauma that a lot of us feel based

904
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: on what our parents are trying to kind of foist

905
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: us into, or the direction parents want their kids' lives

906
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: to take, is traumatic in many cases, and so the

907
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: director wanted to avoid that for at least with Rhea

908
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: and Lina's parents, where again, they like they're trying to

909
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: be supportive. They don't really get what their daughters want

910
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: to do, but they're just like, well, let it happen

911
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: and we can't do much about it.

912
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like a very common like parent experience

913
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: where they're like, all right, get it out of your

914
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: system and then grow up.

915
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: Where yeah, yeah, my mom was like, wait, you want

916
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: to get another degree in film? You already have one,

917
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, trust me, mom, this is going

918
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: to work. And look at me now I host the

919
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast.

920
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 4: It's true anyway, amazing.

921
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 5: I love that.

922
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: What else?

923
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: I guess I started to talk a little bit more

924
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: about Ria. I've got no I mean I've got nothing

925
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: bad to say about Ria. I love her so much.

926
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: I like that she has the out of everyone, she

927
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 3: has like the you know, most fully built out world.

928
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: I like that we get to know her friends. We

929
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: don't get to know her friends super well because they

930
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: are I feel like that's almost the joke of them.

931
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: It's like they know all about movie, they know how

932
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 3: movies work. Because their characters in a movie, you kind

933
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 3: of don't find out more about them.

934
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 4: You actually get more context with her bully. But I

935
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 4: really like how Ria.

936
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: It's like like subtly sort of placing her between two

937
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: worlds where she is being like teased at school and

938
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: like teased for wanting to be a stunt woman, but

939
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: there is like prejudice and there's like racism cooked into

940
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: that because they're like, well, you should be a doctor actually,

941
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: and she's like, no, I'm going to be a step

942
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: from it. And then like she's also not getting support

943
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: for that dream at home, but for a totally different reason,

944
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: and like she's having it's I mean, obviously I cannot

945
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 3: speak from experience, but it seems like a fairly common

946
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: like diaspora kid experience where you're kind of taking criticism

947
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: and shit from all sides and have to be processing

948
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: it in real time while also just like trying to

949
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: be yourself and do your thing and.

950
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: Real like she's just the coolest. I feel like she's

951
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: just the blueprint.

952
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: And I like that she's a fucking weirdo and not

953
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 3: in a like not like other girls kind of weirdo,

954
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: Like she's a weirdo who hangs out with weirdos and

955
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: people treat her like she's weird because she is, and

956
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: you're like, this is the but we love her and like,

957
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just I.

958
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: Really really love that character.

959
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: Same and just like big Sister obsession, it's like it's

960
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 3: such a such a thing. And then on Lena's end,

961
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: I like, I mean that she's like clearly dealing with

962
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: some depression, maybe because she's a bad artist, we don't know,

963
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: but also that like the fact that she she's not

964
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: like well, I guess she kind of is quote unquote punished,

965
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: but like the movie doesn't look down on her for

966
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: wanting love or relationship and even though obviously Selim is

967
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: not the one the guy for her and perhaps should

968
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: be locked away from people. I like that I don't

969
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: know you're left in like an optimistic place with her,

970
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: and that it that weirdly like Lena's ending after this

971
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: like completely wild sequence that had all these reveals about

972
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: bodily autonomy and like viewing women's bodies as property and

973
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: things to be controlled and blah blah blah, and and

974
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: then at the end she's like, I don't know, I'm

975
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: just gonna like take some time off and figure it out.

976
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 3: And you're like, wow, very pragmatic after everything we just saw.

977
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: It's really nice.

978
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that too. And I also think that

979
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: it's cool that there's no real like love story or

980
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: romantic subplot, excluding like the Salem of it all, which.

981
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 4: He had me going. He had me going, I have

982
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 4: to say.

983
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is a tricky little thing that

984
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: happens sometimes where a man will seem like an ally

985
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: because for example, Salim is like I care about symptoms

986
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: that affect women, and he isn't bothered by period blood and.

987
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 4: I hate that.

988
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: I fell through It was like, wow, he doesn't think

989
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: her period is gross, And you're like, what is this? Bar?

990
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: Jab come on?

991
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: The bar is so.

992
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 5: Low actually so sad, it's so.

993
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: I know, sad.

994
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: It's depressing, but it makes him seem like an ally,

995
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: which I think is a smart writing choice because it

996
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: throws the audience off the scent of all this freaky

997
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: stuff that's happening behind the scenes.

998
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 5: Like as soon as the like with the period thing

999
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 5: that happened, and like you know, at some point, like

1000
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 5: when they're on a dinner day and he goes like, oh,

1001
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 5: you know, you don't have to you don't have to

1002
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 5: do what your parents want, like you can take your

1003
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 5: time to figure it out. And then like Namands who

1004
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 5: are like Plantsy's kind of like, oh, you can maybe

1005
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 5: trust this guy. But then it's just like like it

1006
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 5: was an entire like get out esque flip. And like

1007
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 5: what I remembered from these from these little scenes was

1008
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 5: like can go like in Barbie learning about how like

1009
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 5: the patriarchy has gone really smart and like they know

1010
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 5: how to cover it up now, And I was like,

1011
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 5: they really do. This is wild.

1012
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: A lot of men are now weaponizing the facade of

1013
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: being an ally or like feminist language to manipulate people.

1014
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 5: Oh my god, like this I cannot like the number

1015
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 5: of men that are resharing like anti harassment laws and

1016
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 5: like the same men that are sending unsolicited images. Yeah,

1017
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 5: this is a.

1018
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 4: Whole world, dude.

1019
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: I've been feeling the same way, where like I don't know,

1020
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 3: and I feel like this exists across a lot of

1021
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: different issues where people are learning the like I think

1022
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: mental health is something that clicks for me a lot

1023
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: of time, Like people are learning the like therapy language

1024
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 3: and then weaponizing it to do something fucked up. I

1025
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: was I like, wow, I was like, maybe it's just early,

1026
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: but I was in a relationship like that where I

1027
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: was like a guy knew therapy words but then was

1028
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: using it to guess like me, you know, or it's

1029
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: You're just like wait, what is this? Yeah, and I

1030
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, the language of feminism. I think the

1031
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: issue exists around race as well, where it's just like

1032
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: people know what to say, but their actions.

1033
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 4: It's not squaring.

1034
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: And I feel like we're conditioned to expect so little

1035
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: of people that it's easy to get away.

1036
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: With and sad but true.

1037
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 4: I fell for Salim's trick.

1038
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: I was so disappointed in myself that is like I

1039
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: would have fallen for this in real life if you

1040
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: was like, no, your period is normal, I'd be like really,

1041
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: I think so.

1042
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 4: Oh, bleak. Yeah it is.

1043
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: It's very bleaching you. But aside from that, like faux

1044
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: romance that doesn't end up actually being a romance between

1045
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: Selim and Lena, there's no other romantic subplot like Rhea

1046
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: or her friends. Aren't given any kind of little like

1047
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: love story or anything, which is also rare for I

1048
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: mean most genres but action movies. The protagonist usually has

1049
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: some kind of love interest, but that's not the case

1050
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: for this movie.

1051
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 3: Especially if they're like a young like teenage, like a

1052
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: high school college.

1053
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 4: I feel like it's almost a given right.

1054
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: And we're not saying that, you know, romantic subplots are

1055
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: inherently bad or anything like that, but so many of

1056
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: them just feel wedged in or they feel patronizing because

1057
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: it's like, well, this is a movie starring a bunch

1058
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: of really tough men. How would a woman ever like

1059
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: a movie like this? Well, let's put in a romantic

1060
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: storyline so that women can come and watch it and

1061
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: enjoy it, because women love love and men love punching

1062
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. We're watching it.

1063
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like a very focused test, like we just

1064
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,479
Speaker 3: covered Herbie fully Loaded the other day, where there's a

1065
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: very like shoehorned, like, well, of course, young woman a

1066
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 3: young man need to kiss. And it's like, clearly the

1067
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: Landsay Lohan character wants to have sex with Herbie the car,

1068
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: like you know, like you're getting in the way of

1069
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 3: the story by forcing this random relationship. This is a

1070
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: love story about a beautiful woman and her elderly car.

1071
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: It's so true.

1072
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 3: Yes, anyways, anyways, the sixth cup of coffee is really

1073
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 3: kicking in.

1074
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: I have had no coffee, so my brain is still

1075
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: soup for doing great.

1076
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: I like, just again, I really appreciated Nitemanzur's commentary on

1077
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 3: the Parents.

1078
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 4: I liked it.

1079
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: I feel like the parents were like it was such

1080
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: a good balance of parents and like teen comedy trope

1081
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: I feel like is to like turn the parents up

1082
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: to a fifteen and make them super kooky and super

1083
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: over the top, and like, I don't know, I always

1084
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 3: think of I don't know why I'm always like the

1085
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 3: parents and that's so raven, but like parents that are

1086
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: so or just Disney Channel parents in general, where they're

1087
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: so kooky that you're like, how does this person function?

1088
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 4: Like what do they do at work? They're always falling and.

1089
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 3: While there are like slapsticky really like physical comedy here.

1090
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 3: I like that the parents are fairly grounded. You don't

1091
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: get a lot of dad, and I'm not complaining about it,

1092
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: but I liked that, like during you know, like Rhea's

1093
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: diplomacy attempt, that you get a really clear idea of

1094
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 3: who her dad is and how he's squaring like generation differences,

1095
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 3: how he's squaring cultural differences and basically talking about weddings

1096
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: like their math, and you're like, yeah, that feels very

1097
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: dad coded. He's like, actually the love portfolio, oh is

1098
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 3: even when you you're like all right. And then mom

1099
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: gets precedents, not only in the like I like that

1100
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: Fatima gets that big action moment where she wax you know,

1101
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: Cruella on the head with a big heavy chair and

1102
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: that rocks, but also she gets like little moments. I

1103
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: really liked the moment where you know, Rho's getting in

1104
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: trouble right and left because she's planting mayonnaise come in

1105
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: other people's houses. But you get like a sweet moment

1106
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 3: with her and her mom where her mom is like

1107
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: I understand why this is happening, and like I love you,

1108
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: but you've got to make it right, Which does inadvertently

1109
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: put her daughter into the scary Dexter's lab thing.

1110
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

1111
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 3: I just like this movie's so well balanced, where like

1112
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: things could get so off the rails, but there are

1113
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: enough like grounded moments and like really sweet relationships that

1114
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: all of it feels earned.

1115
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 5: It's nice, yeah you Like you said something earlier about

1116
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 5: like attention to detail as like a directorial trait that

1117
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 5: Nitha Manzoo has and like she's she like this film

1118
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 5: does feel really well balanced. Like there were these like

1119
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 5: small moments with the mom, Like I really like one

1120
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 5: that somehow has stuck with me is like when she

1121
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 5: comes into the kitchen and she's like, oh, is a

1122
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 5: scarf too much? And like that just felt like such

1123
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 5: a such a regular person anxiety, especially for moms, and

1124
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 5: like just like what you were saying about how parents

1125
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 5: are so coogy and strange and a lot of these

1126
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 5: comedy films, and like this parent actually felt like a

1127
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 5: real person and I'm so glad that she did. Because

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01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 5: it's also like there are already enough tropes about brown

1129
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 5: parents and like how they are with their kids, and

1130
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 5: this really like this felt like there was love there,

1131
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: like and we barely get to see that, so it's nice.

1132
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, Fatima's dealing with something where she's clearly like

1133
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: trying to fit in with the other moms in her community,

1134
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: and like she wants to be seen as like cool

1135
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: and hot and fun, and you know, she's like, I

1136
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: want to be friends with the popular moms, and she's

1137
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: like trying to get into that group. And it's like

1138
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: the same stuff we were doing teenagers, and I feel

1139
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: like it does kind of keep happening throughout our lives.

1140
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 5: So wait, do you guys know about like getty party

1141
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 5: culture in South Asia? Like I don't know if you

1142
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 5: know about what kitty parties are?

1143
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 4: No, not really.

1144
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's like so they really got this like

1145
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 5: kind of accurate where like I mean, it happens here

1146
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 5: as well, but in the diaspora there's like this I mean,

1147
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 5: like now it's it's prevalent everywhere, but like there's this

1148
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 5: super South Asian thing called kiddy parties, and it's where

1149
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 5: like moms kind of gather and they do their little

1150
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 5: like peas and brunches and whatever, and they come and

1151
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 5: get together and they they're when I go out to

1152
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 5: lunch and there's a katie party going on. It'll be

1153
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 5: like super loud, and everybody will be complaining about their

1154
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 5: husbands or talking about their kids or doing something, and

1155
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 5: it's like sometimes it's like it's really fun and wholesome

1156
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 5: to see, but a lot of the time it's also

1157
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 5: like there's a lot of judgment and there's a lot

1158
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 5: of like like interesting polite society esque dynamics that happen

1159
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 5: in these katy parties. So I'm glad that like she

1160
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 5: took that concept and put it in a movie, because

1161
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 5: it's a real thing where like moms are also trying

1162
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 5: to fit in in these specific situations and are recreating

1163
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 5: those teenage childhood dynamics because there's like an incompleteness that

1164
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 5: they're also trying to fulfill with like everything that's going

1165
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 5: on with their husbands at home with their children, and

1166
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 5: it's just, yeah, a space to air it out, but

1167
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 5: also a space where they need to police themselves and

1168
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 5: kind of exhibit who can be the most polite or

1169
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 5: the most like put together the best trophy y for

1170
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 5: you know, those kinds of things.

1171
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's really fat. Yeah, I I didn't know

1172
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 4: about that.

1173
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: It's it sounds like in the way that that like

1174
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 3: manifests in the in the story. It is very it

1175
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: feels like just so many upper class stories like across

1176
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 3: the board of just like.

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 6: Very nicely criticizing your daughter's body, like really like they're like, no,

1178
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 6: this is actually normal, and this is what people in our.

1179
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 4: Like class and stature do.

1180
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: Of course, we're policing women's bodies, which I mean, you know,

1181
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 3: Selim's mom is doing at the highest possible level, but

1182
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 3: like a little bit of like internalized misoggy, which I

1183
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 3: guess you know. Nida Menzur was like, uh, sorry, I

1184
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 3: keep saying her name. Nida Manzor was saying in the

1185
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 3: interview as well.

1186
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 4: About like how it really.

1187
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 3: Hurts when it comes from a maternal figure who theoretically

1188
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 3: has very likely experienced that same thing. I like that

1189
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 3: their mom doesn't fit in because like why wohilch like

1190
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 3: she's like how weird her daughters are. Of course she's

1191
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: like a little weird, Like I like, I like it.

1192
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. And on that note of gently judging someone's body,

1193
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: there's a moment in the movie where Fatima is body

1194
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: shaming a friend's daughter, and I like that you see

1195
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: her daughters challenge that and say, whoa mom? Not cool? Like,

1196
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: don't body shame? I feel like that is undercut by

1197
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: an earlier moment where Rhea makes a fat shamy comment

1198
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: about someone. I can't remember exactly who she's talking about,

1199
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: but there's some body shaming comment. But at the very least,

1200
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: I like that you see representation on screen of body

1201
01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: shaming and fat shaming being challenged, and I appreciated that.

1202
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: Does anyone have anything else they'd like to talk about?

1203
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 5: How do you guys feel about the dance scene that

1204
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 5: Rio did like at the wedding.

1205
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought it was beautiful and fun

1206
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: and exciting and oh, something that you mentioned in your

1207
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: piece and I also appreciated a lot was the fact

1208
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: that a lot of the action is happening while they're

1209
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: wearing these like beautiful ornate dresses. That's something you never

1210
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: see because even when in the rare example where a

1211
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: woman is allowed to do action in an action movie,

1212
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: she's often characterized as having kind of like masculine features

1213
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: or wearing masculine codd clothing or something that kind of

1214
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: like makes her one of the guys.

1215
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 3: Yes, or worse, like one of the guys from a

1216
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 3: very male gazy perspective of like I mean, we've talked

1217
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 3: about this and a lot of our episodes where it's

1218
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 3: like combat clothes that are like wildly unsafe in like

1219
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: favoring the male gaze, where you're like, oh, she would

1220
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 3: be gone, She's a goner if this is the real world.

1221
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I'm of course not criticizing women

1222
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: who dress in a masculine way or anything like that. Obviously,

1223
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: people of all genders can present any way they want.

1224
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm just commenting on the tropes of how women tend

1225
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 1: to be portrayed in action movies and the usually rigid

1226
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: and gendered implications those tropes have. That's just what I

1227
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: meant by that. And then again, as far as action

1228
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: movies go, you rarely see any example of like femininity

1229
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: being attached to an action moment. And so when she's like, yeah,

1230
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: flipping around and the dress is flowing and it's so beautiful,

1231
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: I just loved it.

1232
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so, that's so true, Like I'm seeing that

1233
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 5: connection so clearly now. And there's also like bride tropes

1234
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 5: around this and in our culture where it's like, you know,

1235
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 5: a lot of the time brides are told to kind

1236
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 5: of like walk very slowly, look down, not smile, and

1237
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 5: then they're they're covered in these really really heavy dresses

1238
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 5: where they're barely even able to move, and it's like,

1239
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 5: I mean that can be a bit dramatic, that doesn't

1240
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 5: happen all the time, but this is like a real

1241
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 5: trope that happens like significantly, and it's like, so it

1242
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 5: was so it was so nice to see like women

1243
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: dressed in these shaddy outfits be so mobile and so

1244
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 5: free and so like you know, like not restricted in

1245
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,879
Speaker 5: their movement and making their own choices and looking fierce

1246
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 5: and even like drawing blood and like it was it

1247
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 5: was so cool to see all of that backed into

1248
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 5: this like one image of them bride, which is supposed

1249
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 5: to be just like pretty and quiet and immobile. The

1250
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 5: like it was just it was so nice to see

1251
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 5: that like completely shatter totally.

1252
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: And also gives us another iconic the bride combat sequence.

1253
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: It's all like in Kill Bill.

1254
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: Kill Bill three, Baby, I love a fighting bride and

1255
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 3: that like I liked that because I was wondering because

1256
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 3: it is like thoroughly established, like Lena also is a

1257
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: great fighter, and we see it in like you're saying kayl,

1258
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 3: like where like you said earlier, like kind of this

1259
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: heightened sequence where were like did it actually happen? But

1260
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 3: then at the wedding, it's like she'd better get to

1261
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 3: fucking fight, and she does and it's great.

1262
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: Because she helps Ria train. So yeah, she's like picked

1263
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: up some fighting skills along the way.

1264
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 4: She's got the juice.

1265
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like just the whole like Act three climax

1266
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 3: battle sequence was just wah.

1267
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: Beautiful, and then they have burgers at the end, they're

1268
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: chowing down again something as little as like seeing women

1269
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: eat on screen shouldn't be this like monumental thing, but

1270
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: they're like again chowing down on some hefty burgers.

1271
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: I that like, I mean, I love obviously seeing women eat.

1272
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 3: I have no problem with I feel like I've like

1273
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: made fun of it. I don't think the thing I've

1274
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: made fun of applies to this, because it was like

1275
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 3: that is just also a funny joke of like, oh yeah,

1276
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: they were supposed to be at a wedding, like of

1277
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: course they're fucking starved, and also they just like kicked

1278
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 3: a million people's asses. I was thinking more of do

1279
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 3: you like how the menu ends and how Anya Taylor

1280
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 3: Joy is pensively eating a cheeseburger. She's like this hot

1281
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 3: girl eating cheeseburger thinking about all she's learned. I'm like

1282
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 3: rolling my eyes. But those are usually written by men,

1283
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 3: almost without fail. Yeah, this was great, And I just

1284
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 3: loved that the movie ends with them together. It's really nice.

1285
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, like after after you mentioned the hamburger thing, I

1286
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 5: so the movie ends with them eating, but it also

1287
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 5: kind of starts like I mean, it starts with with

1288
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 5: Rha and the the yes, Oh my god, I love that,

1289
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 5: Like like we see Lena stab her art and then

1290
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 5: just going to wrote this ree chicken on the floor.

1291
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 4: Like it's really beautiful, bending over.

1292
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 5: And it's like really like she's hit rock bottom and

1293
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 5: like I'm glad that it's on screen because I've been there.

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then a couple moms see her and recognize her,

1295
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: and she like powers away in a little corner, but

1296
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: that she keeps eating. It's so funny. This movie is

1297
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: so funny.

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01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 5: It is it, Like I I love how like there's

1299
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 5: so many like wild hilarious moments where like like her

1300
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 5: her quick cuts are so funny, like where where the

1301
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 5: mom's at a party and then someone asks like, oh,

1302
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 5: how are your daughters, and it just cuts to them

1303
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 5: like jamming out to some song.

1304
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 6: Like the Chemical Brothers.

1305
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or like when Ria's like, there is no

1306
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: chance in hell I'm gonna go to some hoity toity

1307
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: ad sware and then smash cut to them at the

1308
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,839
Speaker 1: ad SWA. It's good. It's good filmmaking. I love it.

1309
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 3: It is and it most definitely. I mean, I feel

1310
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 3: like it's you've listened to the episode at this point. Listeners,

1311
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 3: you know it passes the Bechdel test. It passes the

1312
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 3: Bechdel test. Basically every exchange that isn't about Salim and

1313
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 3: Rhea's suspicions around Salim.

1314
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 4: Passes the Bechdel test.

1315
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: I like, I don't even think it's necessary to like

1316
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: rattle off which matches. It's basically between every.

1317
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,480
Speaker 4: Pair of women in.

1318
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 3: The movie, it passes the Bechdel test at some point.

1319
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: And even when they are talking about men, it's like,

1320
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: stay away from that man, he's scary, yeah, which I

1321
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: feel like it doesn't pass the Bechdel test, but I

1322
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: feel like there's some exceptions that you can make where

1323
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's okay to talk about men if you're

1324
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: criticizing their bad behavior and or advising that you stay

1325
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: away from them.

1326
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1327
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like it's the whole movie like

1328
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 3: spiritually and actually definitely passes the Bechtel test with flying colors. Yes,

1329
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 3: but the most important media metric of all time the

1330
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 3: Bechtel cast nipple scale.

1331
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: Our scale, where we rate the movie zero to five

1332
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: nipples based on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.

1333
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: This is a high one. This gets high marks. I

1334
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go four and a half. I'm going

1335
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: to take off a little bit of nippleage for that,

1336
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: leaning into the trope of like the evil older woman

1337
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: who resents the younger generation. Yes, it is contextualized, but

1338
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: because it's rooted in so much I don't know, just

1339
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: kind of nasty tropy lore. Again, it always kind of

1340
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: rubs me the wrong way. But as Nitemunsor points out, like,

1341
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: there are women who uphold patriarchal standards and there are

1342
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: women who cut other women down. And just because we're

1343
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: living in a slightly more enlightened time in twenty twenty

1344
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: four doesn't mean that there aren't women who are very

1345
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: much upholders of the patriarchy and Rhela is a woman

1346
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: who will gladly sacrifice another woman's freedom and autonomy so

1347
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: that she can try to have her own. So I

1348
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I'll bump it up to four point

1349
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: seventy five. There's so much else that this movie is

1350
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: doing as far as representation and inclusion. And again, it's

1351
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: an example of a movie about Brown Muslim women written

1352
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: and directed by a Brown Muslim woman, drawing from her

1353
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 1: own perspective and experience and representing these characters on her terms,

1354
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: which is why the representation is so thoughtful and authentic.

1355
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: And again, it's a story about women and their relationships

1356
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: and women looking out for each other minus Rahila. And

1357
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: it's so funny, and it lets women be funny, it

1358
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: lets women do action, and I think it's awesome. Four

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01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: point seventy five nipples and I will split them between Rito, Ariya, Priya, Cansara,

1360
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: ooh who else? Oh? I love her friends too. Oh

1361
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: and I have to give a little tiny nipple to

1362
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: my crush Akshay Khanna. So I know that didn't make

1363
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: any sense math wise, but the.

1364
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 4: Live I'm gonna I'm gonna go four point five for this.

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01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 3: I'll dock it for for the same reason it's sort

1366
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: of unget aroundable. But also I'm just like, I simply

1367
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 3: don't have the energy to be that mad about it

1368
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: because this movie is doing so much else. I really

1369
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: appreciated the context that gave for making that choice, and

1370
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 3: it's just like such an amazing performance that I don't know,

1371
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to be mad at it. I feel

1372
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: like this is like entering, definitely entering like one of

1373
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: my favorite comedies I've ever seen. I think like I

1374
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 3: can't wait to This just feels like such a like

1375
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 3: future comfort.

1376
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: Movie for me. Totally.

1377
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 4: It's great.

1378
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like we've sort of covered it,

1379
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,759
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think just like, developing a very funny,

1380
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 3: very genuine sister relationship via kicking each other's asses and

1381
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 3: the asses of others is a beautiful thing and I'm

1382
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 3: never mad to see it. I am just like such

1383
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: a big Nita Manzora fan, and I can't.

1384
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 4: Wait to see what she does next.

1385
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 6: I know, four and a half nipples.

1386
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 4: I'm giving them all to Nita.

1387
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 3: I think that she deserves it, and I hope we

1388
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 3: get a season two of Lady Parts or just she

1389
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 3: gets to make whatever she wants like I get whatever,

1390
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: she's great.

1391
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: She's so great, pere how about you?

1392
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 5: So I'm torn between like a four point five and

1393
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 5: a four point seven five. I'm gonna like list my

1394
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 5: reasons and then ultimately qick one. But like, yeah, this

1395
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 5: is such a like a fun movie. It made me

1396
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 5: like get up and go to the gym after three

1397
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 5: weeks of skipping the gym, and I was like, I'm

1398
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 5: intellectually above all the men in this room who are

1399
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,799
Speaker 5: probably all Mama's boys, and and it was it felt

1400
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 5: so so powerful to have seen this movie and then

1401
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 5: to be moving around my room and doing things like

1402
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 5: I felt like I had like a force with me,

1403
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 5: and I think she, like Nina Manzur, it does like

1404
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 5: an excellent job of giving women that power because it's

1405
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 5: it's just so refreshing. There's so much to collect that

1406
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 5: power from, like from all the relationships that we see

1407
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 5: grow throughout the movie, from all the relationship like from

1408
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 5: all the characters that we see driving the narrative and

1409
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 5: fighting and kicking each other, and like even from all

1410
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 5: the the ugly representations of women that we see that

1411
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 5: we that we don't get to see usually, Like there

1412
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 5: was nothing on that screen that was satisfying an old

1413
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 5: dude alone in his room like this was this was

1414
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 5: for us, and it felt so cathartic and amazing, and

1415
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 5: like there were also so many like little interesting subversions

1416
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 5: that she did, Like when the girls were fighting, they

1417
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 5: were insulting each other's dads, and I was thinking about

1418
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 5: how when men fight they tried to insult each other's moms,

1419
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 5: And like, there's so much she did to like pick

1420
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 5: out the ridiculousness of like gender tropes that we have,

1421
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 5: and she does such a good job with it. And

1422
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 5: also the comedy was so amazing, like the when Ria's

1423
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 5: in drag and she has the mustache on and she's

1424
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 5: doing a walk. It's and how like both friends have

1425
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 5: to do the walk to be a man, Like it's

1426
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 5: so funny and and just like the zooms and the

1427
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 5: and the pants and the like bird sound effects, like

1428
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 5: it felt like I was reading a comic and it was.

1429
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 5: It was so much fun And I barely ever get

1430
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 5: to see things like this, And I will say I

1431
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 5: wanted like, although like Rahila may something like you know,

1432
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 5: we didn't get enough of her character for it to

1433
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 5: feel completely like complex and non trophy but like I

1434
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 5: I will say that I like that there was this

1435
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 5: completely evil witch figure that could also embody like kind

1436
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 5: of like how evil the patriarchy can be when like,

1437
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 5: you know, women get control of it, and it's like,

1438
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 5: like we don't often get to see like the control

1439
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 5: that women haven't often. It's like patriarchy is an oppressive

1440
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 5: tool towards all genders. But it's like I like that

1441
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 5: there was a side of women that we got to see,

1442
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 5: where like she was smart enough to kind of manipulate

1443
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 5: that system to get what she wanted out of it,

1444
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 5: and there was an entire evil character built around that.

1445
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 5: And it's like the men were just lazy and dumb

1446
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 5: and privileged, and the women were the people that really

1447
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 5: knew this system well enough because it screwed them over.

1448
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 5: But it also like there was enough room for them

1449
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 5: to resist, and we don't get to see that often.

1450
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 5: So I like that she took up an entirely evil

1451
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 5: role because like, in keeping with the comic book type

1452
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 5: feel of the movie, like it felt like we really

1453
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 5: needed a full villain and like a full protagonist, and

1454
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 5: like we got like a her versus story that felt

1455
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 5: really like like something I've never seen before, so I

1456
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 5: like I liked it for that reason. I think I'm

1457
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 5: like I'm lowering half a nipple for maybe like like

1458
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 5: I wanted to see a little bit more authenticity with

1459
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 5: like maybe the parents and children dynamic. I felt like

1460
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 5: so something that like I'm such a huge fan of

1461
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 5: Nidam and Zoo's content, but I feel like sometimes like

1462
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 5: these relationships feel a little bit like like I love

1463
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 5: that there's love there. We barely get to see that,

1464
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 5: but there's also like like, you know, how are these

1465
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 5: kids swearing in front of their parents as like brown teenagers?

1466
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 5: I want to know where are these cheat codes? I

1467
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 5: want them like there's this never happens. This is not

1468
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 5: a thing, and it's like especially like with the kinds

1469
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 5: of parents that like, you know, they had where they're

1470
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 5: kind of like, you know, they are a little bit traditional,

1471
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 5: even if they're they have love and they want good

1472
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 5: things for their children. Wanted a little bit of that

1473
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 5: authenticity there because like I think that was like the

1474
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 5: one thing that was kind of missing, but it was

1475
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 5: also so much fun that I don't I'm fine with it.

1476
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 5: And then I wanted to like kind of forgive that

1477
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 5: again and give it a four point seventy five because

1478
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 5: so I don't know if you guys know or have

1479
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 5: if you've heard the song or if you had heard

1480
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 5: the song in the dance scene before this movie. But

1481
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 5: it's like a really really iconic Bollywood song. It's called

1482
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 5: Mardala and it's about like so originally it was in

1483
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 5: this iconic Bollywood movie that like everyone has seen in

1484
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 5: their childhood went probably when there when they weren't supposed

1485
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 5: to have seen it, but like it's called Devdas and

1486
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 5: the song Mardalla. Like in Devas, there's a woman who

1487
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 5: does this dance to Mardalla and she's like she's supposed

1488
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 5: to be the other woman and she's actually like a

1489
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 5: sex worker and she does this iconic dance. The actress

1490
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 5: Madari Dixit is this like incredible icon in Bollywood, especially

1491
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 5: for dance, and she plays this this sex worker in

1492
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 5: the scene where she dances to Mardala, and it's like

1493
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 5: like there's I mean, that film is iconic in its

1494
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 5: own right, but it also has like a lot of

1495
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 5: like that's an entirely different discussion, but what was so

1496
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 5: compelling was that everybody remembered this one song and this

1497
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 5: one dance that this sex worker was doing. And it's like,

1498
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 5: I find it so amazing that Niddha Manzour was like,

1499
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 5: this is the song that I'm going to honor from

1500
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 5: all of Bollywood and I'm gonna get Ria to dance,

1501
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 5: because it's like Riha is a little bit like the

1502
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 5: other woman figure in this movie, Like not in the

1503
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 5: sense that she's competing for Salem, but in the sense

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Speaker 5: that she's the rival to the to the main relationship.

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Speaker 1: She's trying to interfere with the romance.

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01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, I like, I find it so

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Speaker 5: cool that she found a way to honor like that

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01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 5: iconic performance that's been so timeless and that like we

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Speaker 5: still downset the weddings and yeah.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even I didn't know that there were that

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Speaker 3: many layers to that choice.

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Speaker 4: That's so cool. Thank you for telling us.

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Speaker 1: Her web does connect them all.

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Speaker 3: It's true, Nitamanzor's web, it connects us all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, are you landing on four point seventy five nipples?

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Speaker 5: I think so. I think so. I'm gonna end with four.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love it when a movie scores very highly on

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Speaker 1: the nipple scale, because it almost never happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a new classic in the Bechdel Cast pantheon.

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Speaker 1: So true, and thank you for joining us on this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you and check out your work

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Speaker 1: you're writing anything like that.

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Speaker 5: I'm notoriously horrible at advertising everything I do. But I

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Speaker 5: have one Instagram page where so it's called it has

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Speaker 5: my name in it, like it's a fun for Conspiracies,

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Speaker 5: and that's where I put out most of my music.

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01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 5: And in my bio there's a link tree. I barely

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01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 5: use social media, but like, please go go follow that

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Speaker 5: for occasional yearly posting.

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Speaker 1: Nice, amazing, and we'll link your piece that you wrote

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Speaker 1: about this movie in the description of this episode. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you again.

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Speaker 4: For joining us.

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Speaker 1: Come back anytime so much.

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Speaker 5: I had so much fun. Yy.

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Speaker 4: I just love this.

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01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 3: I love this movie. So you can find us in

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Speaker 3: all the regular places. You can find us on Instagram

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Speaker 3: and Twitter at Bechdel Cast. You can follow our Patreon

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Speaker 3: aka Matreon, where for five dollars a month you can

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Speaker 3: get access to too bonus episodes, as well as our

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Speaker 3: back catalog of over one hundred and fifty episodes over there.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, you can also grab our merger at teapublic dot

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Speaker 1: com slash v Bechdel Cast and grab all your merchandising

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Speaker 1: needs from there, and they're all designed by a one

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Speaker 1: Jamie Loftis.

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Speaker 4: Wow, good for her au.

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01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: And with that, uh, let's get cheeseburgers and get an

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Speaker 3: email from our hero.

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01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'd love too.

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Speaker 4: All right, brunch brunch with Unis.

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01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 3: Let's go yes amazing, Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: The Bechdel Cast is a production of iHeartMedia, hosted by

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Derante and Jamie Loftis, produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited

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