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Speaker 1: a foot in here because we're already talking culture. And
Speaker 1: I was nervous, you know, not to use an old
Speaker 1: wives expression, blow our load a little bit too early
Speaker 1: bow as the old wives say. The old wives have
Speaker 1: been saying it since the Middle Ages. And you know,
Speaker 1: we just got off oh no pun there to the
Speaker 1: thought of being on a plane and watching certain films
Speaker 1: and you're saying that you this blows my mind. You're
Speaker 1: saying you would get emotional while watching my best friend's
Speaker 1: wedding during the scene where Cameron Diaz does karaoke. Yes,
Speaker 1: because what an emotionally fraught scene. The arc of that
Speaker 1: scene is insane, Like she's she's petrified to sing in
Speaker 1: front of the sum of strangers, and then she does it,
Speaker 1: and then she's triumphant. Like I get that. It's a
Speaker 1: hardship narrative, you said. I mean, you were like, it's
Speaker 1: a comedic performance. It's great, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but also, what an emotional ride that she takes this
Speaker 1: on that ultimately ends on a high note, like the
Speaker 1: topography of that that's beautiful. I never thought of it
Speaker 1: as emotional. But you know what, and you know, no
Speaker 1: one else I never thought of I never thought to
Speaker 1: ask about what hot engineer Will's last name was, and
Speaker 1: then today I found out this gentleman's name is Will Smith.
Speaker 1: Now I don't really want to get into his name
Speaker 1: is Will Smith. I think he's gotten this his whole life.
Speaker 1: I don't think, but I don't think that's enough. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need to really go into this. I mean, fine, bitch,
Speaker 1: his name is Will Smith. He happens to have the
Speaker 1: same name as I just think it's amazing. How old
Speaker 1: are you? So Will Smith was not it wasn't unknown things.
Speaker 1: He was definitely known, unaware. Okay, okay, but okay, And
Speaker 1: I did think about this. No, no desire, and I respect,
Speaker 1: I would respect this if you had no desire to
Speaker 1: change um the shortened name to Bill or Willie. In
Speaker 1: my family. It's a family, you know what though, if
Speaker 1: if my last name was Heaton, you would I would
Speaker 1: definitely Patricia my daughter, some of them you need to
Speaker 1: go along with will Smith. That's just too big. But
Speaker 1: if your last name is Parker and you don't have
Speaker 1: a daughter name is Harriah Jessica Parker, you don't get
Speaker 1: the assignment. Sure, sure you don't get the assignment, which
Speaker 1: is to name your children after it's prevaring clearly alright,
Speaker 1: So listen, I kind of guess for me, I don't
Speaker 1: know about I think this is I mean, this is
Speaker 1: really um, I don't know, this is so, this is
Speaker 1: so um, what's the word I'm looking for? Toying? Cloying
Speaker 1: for me to say, But like you know, you and
Speaker 1: I've have loved this person for so many years you
Speaker 1: went to go see our guests do like a character
Speaker 1: workshop in college. It was this was at USC at
Speaker 1: the Fracas Teach a comedy festival. Billy Domino, former guests
Speaker 1: of the show. Uh, and I were really excited to
Speaker 1: take this character workshop class. And then the entire time,
Speaker 1: we think our guest brought just sort of intellectualized Jerry
Speaker 1: Blank in this way that was so gorgeous, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is it, This is all
Speaker 1: I need to know. And I think and I think
Speaker 1: that still holds true. Um, oh god, he's amazing. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about what. Okay, So he is the host of
Speaker 1: his own podcast, Minor Revelations, um, and how he is
Speaker 1: uh going to start his run at the Soho Playhouse
Speaker 1: of his amazing, amazing show Bright Colors and Bold Patterns.
Speaker 1: I saw this three years ago at Ours Nova and
Speaker 1: still like remember it vividly to this day. It's so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Directed by Michael yury Um. And we
Speaker 1: just talked about Michael Yeah, because he's in the show,
Speaker 1: because he's about that. Yeah, I can't wait to keep
Speaker 1: talking about this. And uh, you know he has TV
Speaker 1: film credits just are fucking wild wild wild and it
Speaker 1: would be a whole brick of text if we had to,
Speaker 1: it would just be too goddamn long. Now we can
Speaker 1: get fucking exhausted. And Matt, why don't you tell everybody
Speaker 1: that I would say the children have to know they
Speaker 1: have to search the Chloe seven videos. He says it
Speaker 1: like seven right. Also, you just don't know what's pronounced
Speaker 1: correctly not and those videos, honey. He plays with language
Speaker 1: in such a pronunciation in a way that is captivating.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's welcome our guest. Hi. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: It's so fun to just sit here and just hear
Speaker 1: myself talked about and like pretend like I'm not in
Speaker 1: the room yet. I just fluid, like already just bad.
Speaker 1: What a fun little um what what do you what
Speaker 1: would you call that hygetic of podcast? No, that's not
Speaker 1: the right word. Just it's a beautiful moment in every
Speaker 1: podcast when the guests can just hear themselves credited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really nice to look back and go,
Speaker 1: you know what I did? It is done? It mortifying
Speaker 1: because it's both it's horrible. Yeah it's here, and I
Speaker 1: mean it's fine. So you just have to like go
Speaker 1: through all that, and also the one where they put
Speaker 1: you on the button, like, so, what do you want
Speaker 1: us to say? I know, I know, and you're like
Speaker 1: and I know it's that, but you both so lovely.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, sometimes it's unbelievable when they have
Speaker 1: you on and they're like reading off the back of
Speaker 1: a cereal and they're like, um, and what have you done?
Speaker 1: And they make you feel like mad. They're mad that
Speaker 1: you're there, and you're like, I don't know, especially if
Speaker 1: they don't really get what it is that you do.
Speaker 1: I was just done. That's the other thing I'm not
Speaker 1: if I was playing Chandler on Friends, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like you love them as this, as this, but
Speaker 1: it's like I do so many weird offshoot, insane rag
Speaker 1: tag I mean, I'm glad I'm not on a sitcom. No,
Speaker 1: we don't need it. I'm glad I don't have a
Speaker 1: regular job. I'm I love just like screaming and begging
Speaker 1: and throwing pieces of yarn together and making a dream happen.
Speaker 1: That's but that's that you do that best. That's you're
Speaker 1: the best at that thing. And sorry to like shoot
Speaker 1: hern in a compliment. There no okay, And these are
Speaker 1: just some small little granules of other credits that I
Speaker 1: think I have to throw in because I think Billy
Speaker 1: will appreciate this. Planet Unicorn. Oh, Tanya Roberts, Yes, um
Speaker 1: with Dommy Garcia. These guys just google them. They're there.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chloe is like the big one, but like
Speaker 1: you got a Google I Planet UNICORNI watched. I watched
Speaker 1: this with some friends, a nice mix of sexualities and
Speaker 1: we all inccessibilities and we all still were like this
Speaker 1: whole that was Planet Unicorn was was the brainchild of
Speaker 1: my friends Micro's and Tyler Spears, and they put that
Speaker 1: together with me. They just brought me along. They I
Speaker 1: can't really take credit for any of the writing of
Speaker 1: that that was their thing and that it was for
Speaker 1: this this UM channel one and one, and so it
Speaker 1: was just this idea that we that they had and
Speaker 1: they threw me into it and it was like when
Speaker 1: it was one of those It was one of the
Speaker 1: first viral videos that I ever definitely was when I
Speaker 1: was involved in right. It was like kind of when
Speaker 1: that was kind of starting, and it was unbelievable because
Speaker 1: we had so many children that were after because it's
Speaker 1: very it's very innocent. It's like it's subversive in the
Speaker 1: way that as an adult you know what's going on.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing dirty about it. There's not there's nothing um, jokey,
Speaker 1: caddy and bitchy at all. It's very sweet and it's
Speaker 1: about being It's about being sweet and you know, taking
Speaker 1: care of each other. The queer references are just like
Speaker 1: them all drinking boba to get like that's like the
Speaker 1: most overtly gay thing is like them being at the
Speaker 1: beach like it's so sweet. Well, kids are gay, exactly.
Speaker 1: Kids are gay, especially little boys. And these little girls
Speaker 1: that were just like had these slumber parties and they
Speaker 1: all would dress up like the unicorns. I mean it
Speaker 1: was really magic. A little gay girl, girl girl, big
Speaker 1: a girl. When you know, when you go like sometimes
Speaker 1: like I'll flashback to elementars are all we do children's
Speaker 1: theater here and there, and so we'll go to a
Speaker 1: school those little six year old boys just leting in
Speaker 1: each other's laps. It's just like very insane. Stay this way,
Speaker 1: I know exactly because even you know, it's like if
Speaker 1: and if we can teach anything in the next generation,
Speaker 1: if all the hetero boys just to be that way
Speaker 1: and it's okay because it's lovely and don't like you know,
Speaker 1: but because boys crave touch of each other, gay, straight,
Speaker 1: by non binary, whatever you want to say, they crave it.
Speaker 1: And like when they don't, when they can't they can't
Speaker 1: hug or touch, they punch or they know, you know,
Speaker 1: because they want that connection so badly. It's it's a
Speaker 1: human thing. Yeah, you know, I think that you're right.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a response. Like and I it makes me
Speaker 1: so sad because I have a cousin who's drawing up
Speaker 1: on Long Island and it's very kind of toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: And he's even going to be twelve. And I can
Speaker 1: hear him deepening his voice, you know, I can hear
Speaker 1: him talking down here right right, right right. When you
Speaker 1: really listen to it, it's not natural, right, it's something else.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's something you're doing to yourself
Speaker 1: to make yourself sound like a boy, right or a man.
Speaker 1: And that's like eleven, twelve years old, which is I
Speaker 1: think when that's when that's when it starts to happen
Speaker 1: a little bit. When you're starting they're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: gotta act like I gotta be too cool. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: thing and you're like, oh please, don't no, don't don't go,
Speaker 1: don't go out lay in your friend's lap. It's so
Speaker 1: it's and then yeah, I mean you see them like
Speaker 1: he's like, what a good for Christmas to feel? That's
Speaker 1: you don't want to go? Don't actually say that. I
Speaker 1: mean sometimes he did his toe into these things. But
Speaker 1: now there's also there's also a thing where you know,
Speaker 1: as a kid, I mean, you know, I loved horror
Speaker 1: movies and I loved violence, and I love you know.
Speaker 1: I mean there's also that, so you know, I think
Speaker 1: like there's there's also a thing when you're like you
Speaker 1: you're testing the line and you kind of love I
Speaker 1: mean I loved dark things. I love anything because I
Speaker 1: you know, so anything that was just like you know,
Speaker 1: kind of subversive and funked up on some level, was
Speaker 1: like this this world, I need to be in this.
Speaker 1: But that's a thing that I think speaks to like
Speaker 1: an emotional intelligence that a lot of boys don't have.
Speaker 1: Weights And speaking of just being emotionally in touch, Drew
Speaker 1: walked in. I think, are you still in this emotionally
Speaker 1: fraud place? I feel dull stupid and bad because I
Speaker 1: just know and because of how, because of what happened
Speaker 1: to me today. That's what I'm saying. Okay, walks stupid
Speaker 1: like you just what did you just you just came
Speaker 1: in what you just saw play? Yes, I just saw
Speaker 1: Michael Jury's play Torch Song, well, Harvey Fierstein's play Storge Song,
Speaker 1: starring Michael Arry. And that's why I'm saying I feel dull,
Speaker 1: stupid and bad because it just it just melted me
Speaker 1: in all the best ways. It is essential viewing if
Speaker 1: you're in New York and you and you have to
Speaker 1: see it because I mean, I remember I saw the
Speaker 1: movie when I was in college. There's so many lines
Speaker 1: from it that you won't believe that we're quoted from that.
Speaker 1: You'll be like, I know that line. I know that
Speaker 1: line because people have quoted that play for thirty years.
Speaker 1: And it is it is so it is like I
Speaker 1: came in and said, it's our Glass Menagerie or our town.
Speaker 1: It's it's that seminal and it's that important and it's
Speaker 1: funny and it's heartbreaking. It punches you across the soul.
Speaker 1: It is so good and Michael, it just really makes
Speaker 1: it his own I mean, it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: can't you can't live in it without feeling Harvey there.
Speaker 1: And and Michael really does honor Harvey but gives it
Speaker 1: such his own spin. And um, but it is it's
Speaker 1: three pieces, it's long, it's three hours. You're in, you're
Speaker 1: in for an evening of theater, but it flies by.
Speaker 1: But you're getting ninety four and nineteen eighty and our
Speaker 1: culture and seeing who we were and what we were
Speaker 1: and how timely it is now. And there's stuff that
Speaker 1: happens in the play that I was like, if this
Speaker 1: was said in the nineties, I wouldn't believe it, because
Speaker 1: it's said in the seventies. It's actually could be happening
Speaker 1: now with all this sexual fluidity and all this stuff
Speaker 1: that's kind of happening it. There's unbelievable stuff that is
Speaker 1: like that that AIDS really changed. I mean, for lack
Speaker 1: of putting it in another way, that like, in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties we were in a different space and
Speaker 1: this play is just before that. This play is not
Speaker 1: aware of AIDS yet. And and because it you know,
Speaker 1: and real, and yet there's so much of what's going
Speaker 1: on now in the play it's it's it's it's unbelievable
Speaker 1: and Mercedes rule, come on, come on, that's the children
Speaker 1: have forgotten. Have you ever seen the Fisher King brilliant
Speaker 1: she won the Oscars for and she is phenomenal, and
Speaker 1: she plays Michael's mom. She played the role that A
Speaker 1: stell Getty played in the original production, because you know
Speaker 1: that if you know this story, but that Harvey saw
Speaker 1: a stell Getty in a community theater production of something
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, yes, yes, before. This is how gold
Speaker 1: has happened for her because she got anyway he saw
Speaker 1: her in the show. He was like, you have to
Speaker 1: play my mom. She had no real professional credits. He
Speaker 1: put her on Broadway to play his mother in this
Speaker 1: and then from Torchtung Trilogy, a still Getty got Sophia,
Speaker 1: which and she was just brought on as a guest
Speaker 1: star because originally in the pilot of Golden Girls, it
Speaker 1: was it was Dorothy Rose and Blanche and then the
Speaker 1: gay housekeeper and then um uh cleo, I want to
Speaker 1: say his name was I'm wrong, Coco Coco, and then
Speaker 1: Sophia was the guest star. She was coming to visit
Speaker 1: and then they were like, we love the mom and
Speaker 1: it's the eighties, so we don't need gays on TV.
Speaker 1: So by so anyway, but you know that was a
Speaker 1: still getting like like story like that. I mean like
Speaker 1: just talking about Harvey, it's like what um like what
Speaker 1: like he's like one of like the great gay benefactors.
Speaker 1: Absolutely when they when all the Drag Race queens honored him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that was did you see that? Okay, it was
Speaker 1: the Logo It was at the Logo Awards or something.
Speaker 1: It could have been like the New Now Next Awards
Speaker 1: or something like that. He got some sort of like
Speaker 1: lifetime achievement and actually ginger Min's the drag Queens perform
Speaker 1: Wonderful performed this number for him and it was so
Speaker 1: she was so like in her body, she was so centered,
Speaker 1: she was it was a beautiful performance tribute like it was.
Speaker 1: It was like beyond what you thought like ginger mind
Speaker 1: was capable of. Like but that was a real performance.
Speaker 1: I said, I turned to Henry. I was like, she
Speaker 1: could be sucking on Broadway. She could about I heard
Speaker 1: that about her, and you you really have no idea
Speaker 1: from Drag Race what those queens and can't do, because
Speaker 1: that show really does edit these stories that about these
Speaker 1: and so you really don't always know you watched me,
Speaker 1: like I don't really know about that one, and then
Speaker 1: you see them and they blow you away. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw Harvey do hairspray when you saw him to
Speaker 1: it as Yeah, that was incredible. I saw him do
Speaker 1: it at the Hollywood Bowl and it was like I'd
Speaker 1: never understood Harvey fire scene until I saw live. Like
Speaker 1: I had seen the movie towrch Song Trilogy. I had
Speaker 1: seen him obviously, bird Cage and a million of the things,
Speaker 1: and I always loved him, But it wasn't until I
Speaker 1: saw him live his ability to that dead pan that
Speaker 1: stare to hold. Look, oh my god, the whole room
Speaker 1: is filled with almost no effort. It's crazy. He really
Speaker 1: like you're hanging on his every move when he is
Speaker 1: a uniquely talented performer. It's crazy. And that was in
Speaker 1: a show full of incredible people, and you walk away
Speaker 1: and you're like that was that had to even inspire them?
Speaker 1: You're talking about like this is like a young cast
Speaker 1: of like Matthew Morris and Laura Bell, Bundy, um Russa,
Speaker 1: garald Winoker. I believe u uh carry Butler was in
Speaker 1: that so this is like all these people that that
Speaker 1: this was just the surface of what you see their
Speaker 1: talent um. Also, there was one actress and I just
Speaker 1: want to toss this out for this actress. She was
Speaker 1: She played the trailer trash mom in that Mini Driver
Speaker 1: movie where she does the pageants. Beautiful, beautiful, Um, here's
Speaker 1: a deep cutch. He Drew Jo was an extra beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yes you are Sally Field. Sally Field directed that directs
Speaker 1: that movie, and yeah, and Mini Driver and the girl
Speaker 1: from the Pepsi commercials Yes, Yes, what's your what's your
Speaker 1: Jesse Eisenberg's sister Hallie. This Drew's first I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: referring to in the third person first screen credit or
Speaker 1: you're an extra Sometimes didn't end up on IMDb. No,
Speaker 1: it was right when I moved out to l A.
Speaker 1: And I was and I got some random thing to
Speaker 1: do extra work that day, and I was like, why not?
Speaker 1: And then I saw Sally Field was directed. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I've made it. I'm working with
Speaker 1: Sally Field, work with her. But yeah, I was. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like in the audience when she
Speaker 1: you know, when she's sang. I was in the audience.
Speaker 1: If you look really hard, you'll see very a tired,
Speaker 1: terrifying skinny. Let me tell you the best scene from
Speaker 1: that movie. The best scene from that movie is when
Speaker 1: they put Mini driver and like the blonde bitch who
Speaker 1: was I think married to Pete Sampers, the tennis player
Speaker 1: Bridget Wilson Sampras think, or maybe it's another actress, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but one of those. So they put them
Speaker 1: in like a glass box so they can't hear the
Speaker 1: other debate question and many drivers, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: is hitting with the secret that she, of course is
Speaker 1: the is the mother. She shouldn't be competing because the
Speaker 1: rules that she can't, and she's deciding whether or not
Speaker 1: she's going to share that secret. And she turns to
Speaker 1: Bridget Wilson Sanpris and she says, is it true? Do
Speaker 1: you really like roller coasters and long walks on the
Speaker 1: beach and do you really speak Spanish and French? Because
Speaker 1: if that's true, then you deserve to win. And Bridget
Speaker 1: Wilson Sampras turns her head. She takes a beach, she
Speaker 1: turns her head and she says, in a different voice
Speaker 1: than she's used the home movie. She goes, what difference
Speaker 1: does it make Sally Field to know that Sally Field
Speaker 1: is responsible? Yeah, I'm gagged. Children have forgotten Sally's a director.
Speaker 1: They need to know. Yes, children director for your film
Speaker 1: called Sally get in touch with her son. Her son
Speaker 1: is on tender. You can read you can read her
Speaker 1: through him. That's amazing. It's it's such a fantastic movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in the worst in that kind of way where
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, why not? But it was on Stars
Speaker 1: a lot of course, of course, the Perfect Stars movie,
Speaker 1: the Perfect Stars movies. Um, Drew, We're gonna ask you
Speaker 1: what we ask all of our guests, which is because
Speaker 1: we've gotten some background. Yeah, now you know me. You
Speaker 1: alluded to horror earlier, but feel free to venture outside
Speaker 1: of that. What is the culture that made you say
Speaker 1: culture is for me? And don't limit this to movies
Speaker 1: or media necessarily, but like you know where you grew up.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many of course, ever seen Everest.
Speaker 1: Everybody has things? Can I sleep? Um? The first thing
Speaker 1: I thought of when you when you sent me that question,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was like, the first thing I
Speaker 1: thought of was the old Batman TV show. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah, somebody else says somebody somebody said, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I am obviously not old enough to
Speaker 1: remember when it came out because it was like late sixties,
Speaker 1: but I saw the reruns in the eighties, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I as a kid would run home it wasn't
Speaker 1: currently running, so I was just I was so excited
Speaker 1: about what that rerun was going to be that day.
Speaker 1: But there was something about those colors, those villains. I
Speaker 1: love monsters growing up, so anything like Caesar Romero and
Speaker 1: like I could see his beard coming through the makeup
Speaker 1: and his joker, and I was like, this is so
Speaker 1: weird and funked up and perfect. And I also love
Speaker 1: both cat women, but I never knew if it was
Speaker 1: going to be Julie Numar or Earth the Kids, so
Speaker 1: I was like, is that going to be? And then
Speaker 1: you know, and I loved Yvon Craig. I love bat Girl,
Speaker 1: So when they introduced Barbara Gordon into the show, I
Speaker 1: was like, so it was just like the purples and
Speaker 1: the yellows and the bangs and the pops and I
Speaker 1: loved the that was a cliffhanger, and and the villains
Speaker 1: all had like fun. It was like you know, Vincent
Speaker 1: Prices the Eggman, and you know, Joan Collins was the
Speaker 1: siren and she was like an opera singer that sang
Speaker 1: about the death that show. She was a villain on
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, they had everybody on there. They had
Speaker 1: everybody they could, you know, and um, you know, and
Speaker 1: I just I remembered as a kid being like and
Speaker 1: I was fascinating about it. But I mean I also
Speaker 1: watched like Masters of the Universe and other eighties things,
Speaker 1: and we watched you know, Family Ties and The Cosby
Speaker 1: Show and all that stuff growing up. But I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with this show that was really like my parents generation.
Speaker 1: And I was sort of like, didn't understand why nobody
Speaker 1: all wanted to talk about Batman. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: for me looking back to my child, because I was
Speaker 1: very into Batman as well. Although it was kind of
Speaker 1: the movies in the atmosphere and presented there was an
Speaker 1: animated show one like yeah, yeah, Mark Hamill, Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: But for me, what always grabbed my attention and made
Speaker 1: me excited were the villain origin stories. When you provide
Speaker 1: me with a good villain argent story or even just
Speaker 1: maybe the best one, we say, honestly, any movie she
Speaker 1: comes out with. Now, if they decided to do that,
Speaker 1: like she's been around for a long time, give her
Speaker 1: an oscar. I'm on board. Give it to her for whatever.
Speaker 1: Give it to her this year for mother who cares?
Speaker 1: Is she pretty good at it? Good? Give her an
Speaker 1: oscar if you took it away from her. So who
Speaker 1: on that year? I mean like who? Like what was
Speaker 1: the Batman Returns would have been yes? And so that
Speaker 1: best film was forgiven? Yes? Well, no, Unforgiven was ninety three.
Speaker 1: I believe Silence of the Lambs was ninety one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there was Forest Gump Probabbe it was unforgiven.
Speaker 1: But then in ninety two supporting actress, that's a deep
Speaker 1: that's going to be fiction, pulpe fiction was competing with
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. Yeah, Mercedes Rule was, oh my best actress
Speaker 1: to bring her back. I think Mercedes Rule was best supporting.
Speaker 1: I think she was lead. She was positive, but then
Speaker 1: look it up, so supporting when it been somebody like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, the fact that we even got here without
Speaker 1: our smartphones. We have talked about sometimes like how that
Speaker 1: can become Well, actually, let's talk about the oscars because
Speaker 1: this year is going to be a big fucking change
Speaker 1: for the Oscars because wine is yes. And I was
Speaker 1: reading something about the Oscars today, well, while we get
Speaker 1: this answer, I was reading that this is could be
Speaker 1: the year where all logic in terms of what we
Speaker 1: thought about the Oscars could be thrown out because people
Speaker 1: are done, like Get Out could very well get nominated
Speaker 1: in what I hope it does. It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies of the year. I thought it was brilliant
Speaker 1: and I I saw it two days in a row,
Speaker 1: and it was just by chance that I was with
Speaker 1: friends and who were going again. I was like, I
Speaker 1: loved it so much. I was saying, watch it again,
Speaker 1: and the second time it really holds up. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those movies it's like so fun the
Speaker 1: first time through, but then you're like knowing what's going
Speaker 1: on the whole time. It's so it's it's funny, it's
Speaker 1: terrifying with brilliant performances. It's a crack smart script. It's
Speaker 1: one of the best movies of the year. I would
Speaker 1: love for it. I would love for it to get
Speaker 1: nominations and and when why not? You know what what
Speaker 1: would be a real gag was if they're not going
Speaker 1: to give the best picture because they still have their
Speaker 1: hangups about that whatever, like their genre hang ups or Honestly,
Speaker 1: the racism in the Academy is like a very real
Speaker 1: thing just because their majority white. Like they also the industry,
Speaker 1: like there's very few films that know, it's like they
Speaker 1: have very few that they actually see. The problem too
Speaker 1: is it's a lot of old white people who don't
Speaker 1: see things. They don't They don't see movies on Netflix
Speaker 1: right right right, like Beasts of No Nation whatever, that
Speaker 1: brilliant performance and they didn't they just didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I you know, I think there's also their factors like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're overtly racist as much as just
Speaker 1: they're limited and what they get access to, and when
Speaker 1: they have so much, they're going to pick the stuff
Speaker 1: that appeals and there, and they have so much old
Speaker 1: white man stuffed in front of them exactly. And so
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like change all that exactly. And
Speaker 1: you see every year the Academy, like the invitations they
Speaker 1: sent out getting more diverse. I think like if they
Speaker 1: were to just if Jordan Peel were to win Best Director,
Speaker 1: that would or even be nominated and Greta Girlwig Ladybird, like,
Speaker 1: come on, acknowledge and you said it was fucking amazing
Speaker 1: twice And I'm not like I love Greta. I didn't
Speaker 1: love Mistress America but that was Noah bom Bach. But
Speaker 1: um god, Ladybird fucking destroyed me. Um okay, who won
Speaker 1: Supporting Actress. And this is like, this is you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, of course, and you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: have our thoughts. Oh my gosh, Marissa, Yeah, okay, she's brilliant.
Speaker 1: She's brilliant. She's gotten so much flak for that Oscar,
Speaker 1: and I will say she deserves it. She's a genius.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I thought she was incredible in the movie
Speaker 1: and also given the you know, idiot asked Faye Donaway
Speaker 1: this year when she said La La Land. You know
Speaker 1: that Jack Palence didn't mess up because for years they
Speaker 1: were saying Jack Palance was old and crazy and he
Speaker 1: read the wrong way. You know, if you read the
Speaker 1: wrong name, and they would have corrected her, they would
Speaker 1: have said something. She won the award full out. She
Speaker 1: was wonderful and and she has proven herself time and
Speaker 1: time again. I mean in the Bedroom before the Devil
Speaker 1: Knows You're dead. Yes, the wrestler voted for her. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would have voted for her, honestly. And it was
Speaker 1: Penelope Cruz that one. That and but I'm but I
Speaker 1: but yeah, I will totally. It's I will support her,
Speaker 1: will support for me. It's a it's about Marissa ways now. Um.
Speaker 1: There was also some some conversation about for Best Actress.
Speaker 1: They were saying, like, you know, like everyone was very
Speaker 1: gung ho about Kate Winslet there for a while for
Speaker 1: this new Woody Allen movie, and now you just hear
Speaker 1: people stop talking about it because and this sucks so
Speaker 1: much when it is that when it's you're just the
Speaker 1: actor in the equation, you're giving the performance and you're
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet, and you're like, you know, I also believe
Speaker 1: she probably doesn't care about getting it. She has an
Speaker 1: off star. She's amazing. I don't know anyone who says
Speaker 1: Kate or you know or whatever. I mean. I think
Speaker 1: she's she's thoroughly earned. She's thirdly, she's thoroughly lauded, and
Speaker 1: she's been not you know. Yeah, I'm just saying like
Speaker 1: in terms of like things might change it's like even
Speaker 1: the Woody Allen factor. It's like you just see like
Speaker 1: the pundits like stop talking about that, you know now
Speaker 1: they they're saying, this could be the year where it's
Speaker 1: like you see a thriller nominated again for Best Picture.
Speaker 1: You see a movie perhaps too. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: we have such double standards because to me, the woman
Speaker 1: who was the mom and the Baba Duke gave the
Speaker 1: one of the best performances of the year last year
Speaker 1: or two versions. When that came out, I was like,
Speaker 1: that deserves the nomination, Like we give people these awards
Speaker 1: for these sweeping period piece you wore a wig and
Speaker 1: you know what, you wore a nose or and I
Speaker 1: mean again, I'm not even saying that. I mean I
Speaker 1: love her and performance, but I'm just saying, like, why
Speaker 1: are thrillers or comedies considered less valid? I think you
Speaker 1: know that it all should be. And the interesting thing
Speaker 1: is they didn't always. That wasn't always the case, Like
Speaker 1: if you look back in the seventies, you got um.
Speaker 1: I mean even even like that's a great example, right,
Speaker 1: I mean like there's always small exceptions. It seems like
Speaker 1: the general rule is though there's those categories and if
Speaker 1: you kind of play this part, like for example, if
Speaker 1: you were playing port of wife and the film is good,
Speaker 1: your chances and best Supporting Actress look very good, right, right,
Speaker 1: But there was Ellen Burston in the seventies was nominated
Speaker 1: for playing the mother of Reagan and for actress. Both
Speaker 1: Kim Carry Piper Laurie and SUSY's Basic were nominated as well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah they did it seemed and also Robert
Speaker 1: Robert Shawford just know she haster Yeah, okay, now screaming
Speaker 1: she did coal miners daughter. It's such a thing that
Speaker 1: we have us case isn't knowledge of and women. It's
Speaker 1: about women and their awards. Well, I don't care about
Speaker 1: I don't care about the men with the words they
Speaker 1: were were like the women in there give him a statue,
Speaker 1: Yeah they I want to stand there, to stand and
Speaker 1: hold it high. I love it, but I love it.
Speaker 1: Prior guest Friends of the show, John Early Cole School.
Speaker 1: I did an interview for never heard of them, garbage
Speaker 1: bags sacks, both of them. They didn't review and in
Speaker 1: cake Boy magazine, which is like a Brooklyn queer perfect
Speaker 1: talking about like why like why women like why is
Speaker 1: it exclusively women? Should we feel bad that it's we're
Speaker 1: only scrutinizing women, But it's like no, It's like, but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna ask any of us about who our
Speaker 1: favorite male actors are, we're just gonna be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know fucking Nicolas Cage exactly. I don't even know what.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's important though, that we start the
Speaker 1: conversation um as gay men about about gay men. I
Speaker 1: know that sense really self involved in naval Gate and
Speaker 1: to be like we needed more, but we don't lift
Speaker 1: each other up like we lift I mean, you're right,
Speaker 1: thank god, we lift women up because you know, straight
Speaker 1: male cultures had to learn from us, like, hey, be
Speaker 1: nice to women, but celebrate them. But I had this
Speaker 1: moment earlier this year at an Adam Lambert concert. I
Speaker 1: saw him um as the you know, lead singer of Queen.
Speaker 1: He's touring with Queen. It was one of the most
Speaker 1: incredible things that ever see brilliant, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what pisces me off is that in our culture,
Speaker 1: we pick a gay bar and if some fair to
Speaker 1: middling you know c W straight star walked into a
Speaker 1: gay bar, we would be losing our minds. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so and so he was on
Speaker 1: three episodes of you know, fill in the blank. If
Speaker 1: Adam Lambert walked in, our reaction would be like this
Speaker 1: bit and we should be laying down the red carpet
Speaker 1: for for you know. And I just think that that's
Speaker 1: something that we're not there yet. We have a weirdness
Speaker 1: about accepting among our own royalty. I mean, and again,
Speaker 1: like just celebrate what what the gay men are doing.
Speaker 1: Actually know, I was just going to mention um, even
Speaker 1: with the announcement of boys in the band, you saw
Speaker 1: a little bit of this and you saw a little
Speaker 1: bit and you know, to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: guess maybe like my instinct a little bit was to
Speaker 1: be like those four again because but they're incredibly talented.
Speaker 1: They're going to do a great fucking drive that you
Speaker 1: know what's fucking brilliant. They could put four gay men
Speaker 1: in that cast and they're all stars and they're all
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. And that means something because you know
Speaker 1: what five years ago, maybe even two years ago, you
Speaker 1: know half that cast is straight. Absolutely, how do you
Speaker 1: have these people who have all deserved it, who have
Speaker 1: all worked their ass off. Who are who are going
Speaker 1: to kill it? I mean, I think every one of
Speaker 1: us is a little bit like why not me? But
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're honestly some of the greatest. I
Speaker 1: mean I saw that lineup and I was like, they
Speaker 1: are Also we're also lucky to get to watch them
Speaker 1: are I mean I've I've been blown away by all
Speaker 1: of them in different ways. And I just and and
Speaker 1: and yes, we're telling our stories and we're in front
Speaker 1: of people, and and you absolutely we have to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that moment. But you're right, we didn't even take a
Speaker 1: moment to say, look and all gay cast outcast of
Speaker 1: stars in a huge Broadway show. We immediately go into
Speaker 1: these bitches. Of course, of course it's you know, opportunities
Speaker 1: for more and there needs to be you know, and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's happening, but yeah, I won happened a
Speaker 1: couple of things I wonder well, one like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: had that same reaction to boys in the band, um,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this just means only good things
Speaker 1: for other things, because right now it's like call me
Speaker 1: about your name is going to come out, and it's
Speaker 1: like okay, cool. But also both of these actors are
Speaker 1: straight again, um, and so hopefully that'll like ripple out
Speaker 1: into these other industries. But and the second thing is,
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, this might seem this might
Speaker 1: not be a fair thing to say, But is part
Speaker 1: of that like instinct to be like that bitch? Like
Speaker 1: is it? Is it linked to it all with what
Speaker 1: Drew sort of just said just now where And I
Speaker 1: feel this way too, where it's like why not me?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's part of it, right, It might
Speaker 1: be and it might be. Uh. I always I feel
Speaker 1: so I have such a weird relationship with the familiarity
Speaker 1: in our community because part of me loves it. Part
Speaker 1: of me loves that I can go into a gay
Speaker 1: bar and if people know who I am and what
Speaker 1: I do, I'm approachable. If they tell me they like
Speaker 1: what I do, it makes my night. It's like so great.
Speaker 1: I love it and I love that Like I'm here.
Speaker 1: I got here yesterday and I went to Julius and
Speaker 1: somebody came up and was like, I like your podcast,
Speaker 1: and we talked for a minute and it was like
Speaker 1: immediately I was like, you know, um, and if you
Speaker 1: know I feel like I I that is that is
Speaker 1: I always want to be able to have that and
Speaker 1: that that relationship and I love that, and I feel like, if, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if I was like a movie
Speaker 1: star or something, somebody might look across the room and go, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't go talk to him, he's too big of
Speaker 1: a you know whatever. But I do think that with
Speaker 1: that comes the next person to come up and immediately
Speaker 1: go into the it's kind of bitchy familiarity that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you haven't earned that, you know, and I and it's
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for that, but it's it
Speaker 1: always Sometimes I can get my feelings hurt by a
Speaker 1: stranger who was genuinely trying to compliment me. But also,
Speaker 1: I mean, I play a lot of horrible asshole characters,
Speaker 1: and so I think people think like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come up and just say the bitchiest thing and you'll
Speaker 1: find it hilarious. And I'm like, no, I'll just start
Speaker 1: sobbing that's that's me. But or I'll just get weird
Speaker 1: and have to shut down and start talking too much
Speaker 1: and run away. But um, so I know it's like
Speaker 1: a thing where we are very Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: feel very close to it. And also like every gay
Speaker 1: person is invited to every gay thing, like just at
Speaker 1: parties and we so we see each other. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not you know, weird to see famous
Speaker 1: gay people at you know, out at bars and at parties,
Speaker 1: and because we're all like in the world together, so
Speaker 1: you do feel a little bit like, oh, I know
Speaker 1: this bitch. So some of that's not terrible total. I
Speaker 1: just think it's like and again, I would never uh,
Speaker 1: you know what I was saying earlier about like you know,
Speaker 1: like someone walking in and be like, don't ever go
Speaker 1: up and talk to them. It's like, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: wonderful when people come up and say something nice and support.
Speaker 1: But I do think there is still part of us
Speaker 1: where we think, you know, we think there's a glass ceiling,
Speaker 1: and we think we have our we you know, I
Speaker 1: have I, we have our gay thing, and then our
Speaker 1: goal is to ultimately be with the straits. Our goal
Speaker 1: is ultimately to be accepted by straight culture and straight
Speaker 1: culture at least the straight people that I know and
Speaker 1: care about love us and don't care and don't and
Speaker 1: all look at us that way. They don't categorize us
Speaker 1: that way. We categorize us that way. And I think
Speaker 1: that's something that's very important for us to not look
Speaker 1: at straight people and say, oh, you're because yeah, they're
Speaker 1: always going to be horrible, homophobic people. But who we
Speaker 1: don't know those we don't hang out with those people.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Are straight friends are like the first
Speaker 1: ones to like embrace and include and accept who we are,
Speaker 1: what we're about, and not categorize us as their gay friend,
Speaker 1: just like we're taught like, don't talk about your black friend,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's this, it's they're taught in
Speaker 1: the same sort of vernacular, like see them as a person.
Speaker 1: But sometimes in our own culture we see we kind
Speaker 1: of we bottle each other up because you feel entitled
Speaker 1: to that attack, you know what I mean, Like if
Speaker 1: they they're part of me, so I can judge them, honey,
Speaker 1: Like I know where they come from, and so I'm
Speaker 1: going to read them to filth. And there's and and
Speaker 1: it's really what it is is you feel that there's
Speaker 1: only so many spots. It's that there's some element of
Speaker 1: I'll say, just because from firsthand experience, I'll say, some
Speaker 1: element of self loathing, some element of well, there's this
Speaker 1: shared experience that we start off at anyway, and that
Speaker 1: I can sort of I've earned the right when you
Speaker 1: haven't to write right because you know you're so wow,
Speaker 1: you've really touched on something. I feel like gay gay
Speaker 1: culture hasn't really recalibrated to this like socialization. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like okay, so Joel and I'm our friend. My friend
Speaker 1: Joel and I just did a show in Philly. I
Speaker 1: just came back today and you know, we were at
Speaker 1: the the bars last night. It was really fun. Philly
Speaker 1: has a very nice, what I'll say with no pejorative
Speaker 1: at all, unpretentious gay night life, so welcoming, so fun,
Speaker 1: so nice for everybody. Um, but people come and people
Speaker 1: came to the show, and then we ran into some
Speaker 1: people afterwards at the bars and they would come up
Speaker 1: and be like, um, or even just tweet at us
Speaker 1: things like are you do you to fuck each other?
Speaker 1: Or is that like like just they would just say
Speaker 1: these really offhand things, and I'm like, and I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's in that same neighborhood of
Speaker 1: like people, because because you're I don't know, because they're like,
Speaker 1: do you guys fuck each other? Because that would be
Speaker 1: like my master, Like that would be my masturbation fantasy
Speaker 1: for sure. Like just you're like what right? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean problematic on a lot of levels, but just
Speaker 1: like like you also like two comedians I know and
Speaker 1: love and right right, all this weird? How straight? It's like,
Speaker 1: what a weird thing to just sort of lead with,
Speaker 1: and then you know it's you. You sort of have
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, I don't know, like one great
Speaker 1: that you've feel familiar enough with us too, not great,
Speaker 1: but like you feel familiar r enough enough with us
Speaker 1: to say that thing. And then on the other side
Speaker 1: of that, it's like, oh, but how inappropriate, Like you
Speaker 1: haven't earned that. I mean, no one ever does. They
Speaker 1: don't obviously don't know how to communicate. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit of a toxic thing. But
Speaker 1: I think like it is a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: It's I'm jealous and I don't know how to deal
Speaker 1: with that, and also also I feel super familiar with
Speaker 1: you just because we have this thing in common and
Speaker 1: I don't have that with a lot of people maybe,
Speaker 1: and so I think you're going to get it. And specifically,
Speaker 1: I also think and you touched on this a little
Speaker 1: bit as well. But with that cast, there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a beauty standard, right, which we don't
Speaker 1: talk about a lot, which because you don't get there
Speaker 1: because the first thing you say is like, well, there's
Speaker 1: not enough gaze obviously or of course them. But then
Speaker 1: when you start looking at the cast, and you know
Speaker 1: people have called Ryan Murphy ott on this a little bit,
Speaker 1: he certainly has like a type that you hoist to
Speaker 1: the front. And so you look at that cast and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh god, like that's the bar and it
Speaker 1: can feel very far away. But again that's just us
Speaker 1: getting just like I think the thing for us all
Speaker 1: to keep in mind is this is only going to
Speaker 1: open doors for It's only going to bring first of all,
Speaker 1: millions of people to see this story that they didn't
Speaker 1: know before, and it's going to inspire smaller productions of
Speaker 1: this play around the way, you know, and then it's
Speaker 1: gonna open up other opportunities for completely different shows, completely
Speaker 1: different films, pieces work. It's just it's just an added
Speaker 1: it's just adding. It's not detracting, and so and it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean because you're not in the Boys in the
Speaker 1: Band with Ryan Murphy that you don't matter, and yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly that that was your time, that was your chance.
Speaker 1: But I do think we all have there was a
Speaker 1: part of you know, even to be totally honest to admit,
Speaker 1: when I saw that, I was like, oh man, I
Speaker 1: want to be there with you know, and you're like
Speaker 1: that makes no sense to like relax, like because I
Speaker 1: am ultimately so thrilled and so happy. But I think
Speaker 1: we all have that collective feeling. And I'm just speaking totally.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, ultimately, it's like it was, it's
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful thing. And it's because it's like, no,
Speaker 1: this just means that they're making it possible for you
Speaker 1: to have a voice as well. You know, they're finding
Speaker 1: a place at the table for you as well. You know,
Speaker 1: and you're you're, you're you're already so close to that table,
Speaker 1: and you're at this other great table, like equally great
Speaker 1: table um and the table of nineteen, the table you're at,
Speaker 1: especially if Junior Squid is at that table, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I tapped in, tapped in my mom fucking love table
Speaker 1: nineteen and she saw on the plane of course, we
Speaker 1: have to take a quick break back we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about bright colors and bullet patterns, of course, the Chloe
Speaker 1: videos and so much more. Stupid bitch. Alright, bye, hold on,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Oh Matt, I'm so excited for
Speaker 1: our next I don't think so, honey, Line, I'm very
Speaker 1: exciting to basics, back to basics. I mean, we've just
Speaker 1: been through the cult war, which really has us, you know,
Speaker 1: battered and bruised, but we are ready to bring back
Speaker 1: the love that'st the cathartic moment that is, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And this cast, oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god. We've been trying to get some of them
Speaker 1: for a while. Yes, and can you believe after three shows,
Speaker 1: even after two shows, the star power is still strong
Speaker 1: and not for nothing. But these are going to be
Speaker 1: fifty people that have never done the live show before.
Speaker 1: So if you thought we only knew a hundred people, bitch, no,
Speaker 1: there's fifty more in our little black book. That's right.
Speaker 1: We sucked them all. Um. We got Jill Kim Booster hottie, hottie.
Speaker 1: We've got Francesca Rampy, We've got Sarah tolimas you've seen
Speaker 1: around Colbert hottie. Oh my god, Mike Calton fucking hottie.
Speaker 1: What a hot Oh my god, Brandon Scott Jones like
Speaker 1: fucking hotty, Oh my god, so hot. We had to
Speaker 1: Kila Hughes. Oh my god, I'm tripping. Le's so hot. God,
Speaker 1: everyone's so fucking hot. Oh. It's part of Brooklyn Podcast Festival.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna I'm wet for the Bell House.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be at the Bellhouse. This is the first
Speaker 1: at the first show at the Bellhouse. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: our home has been Little Phil ready to you know,
Speaker 1: pack the capacity at the Bellhouse. People. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be so freaking exciting. I'm actually so excited. We've never
Speaker 1: hosted a show here. We're so glad. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: It's part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. Ten pm, Saturday,
Speaker 1: November eight, ten pm. This is gonna be so so fun.
Speaker 1: You're gonna if you missed the show, feel feel and
Speaker 1: feel insane. You'll you'll be at home with the Fomo
Speaker 1: of a Homo homo. And if you com guaranteed you
Speaker 1: are going to be to us hottiet Okay, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're back Withdrew um, amazing first half. Let's get into
Speaker 1: his um show his Can we call it a play? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean please, I mean I loved it. That's the
Speaker 1: title of another play. Let's call it a play that
Speaker 1: sounds like an old coward, like we can't come up
Speaker 1: with it, and we have a couple of ideas, let's
Speaker 1: call them. I was in a horrible like reading him
Speaker 1: a play like years ago, and they were like came
Speaker 1: to like a list of titles and they were all
Speaker 1: like that. It was like the boy can't stand it,
Speaker 1: and it was just like it was just all these
Speaker 1: horrible It's like, um, let's do pussy Cat and all
Speaker 1: about Eve, like the plays that he Davis, like Aged
Speaker 1: in Wood and the like I want to go see
Speaker 1: a like on Aged and would thank you. And it's
Speaker 1: like bringing on the Stars and just one of these titles.
Speaker 1: You're just like, this means absolutely nothing. I feel we
Speaker 1: continue any further. I have to ask for your feedback
Speaker 1: on feud. I really feel you you watched did you watch?
Speaker 1: Features the thing? I love that it existed. I'm not
Speaker 1: even being political. I'm so glad that something not the
Speaker 1: mommy dearest perception of Joan absolutely Crawford. Why can't I
Speaker 1: come with her name out of the because that was
Speaker 1: just a bold faced lie. I mean, Mommy Dares is
Speaker 1: a drag show in its kabuki theater. It's insanity. It's
Speaker 1: insanity and it is not And it's like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that Joan Crawford was a was a warm tender,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, lovely woman. She was not
Speaker 1: Diane West. Okay, no one is. There's only one, and
Speaker 1: that's Diane. But but she she was a tough woman
Speaker 1: who was in a tough business and should climb, talk
Speaker 1: about it clean, talk about clean all that's John Crawford.
Speaker 1: So I love the show really humanized her, and I
Speaker 1: thought that, and I thought Jessica did an amazing job
Speaker 1: of humanizing her and not really doing an impression of her. Um.
Speaker 1: I thought Susan Surrandon looked exactly like Betty Davis but
Speaker 1: had zero fire and zero music. I'll say it also
Speaker 1: given you know in the world, you know Ada Dicks,
Speaker 1: who was then sorry by but like, but I was
Speaker 1: so upset by her Betty Davis, because I was like,
Speaker 1: that is the easiest thing to do, and I know
Speaker 1: you don't want to do a drag performance, but it
Speaker 1: was like, you're not even trying anything. She really went
Speaker 1: like SI there and it was if that and it
Speaker 1: is kind of tired. I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Bettie Davis was never tired. Betty Davis
Speaker 1: is dead and and still away like she's still chewing
Speaker 1: at the at the earth around her. Bettie Davis is
Speaker 1: so vital and to play her like that and I
Speaker 1: just felt like, um, I was just the whole time,
Speaker 1: I was like watching her look like that. And then
Speaker 1: they re enacted scenes from Baby Jane that weren't like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, we know the movie, so at least
Speaker 1: at least do them when they were like on camera
Speaker 1: actually screaming. And I also just think, like the reason why,
Speaker 1: I know, you want to bring people, make people real
Speaker 1: and humanize them, but a star as a star, especially
Speaker 1: from that era, and they were over the top. That
Speaker 1: was their reality, that was their truth. So to have
Speaker 1: them like that, I was just so I was frustrated
Speaker 1: with it. That's a great answer. However, I watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing and I totally would watch another one. I
Speaker 1: love what he does and thank God for making that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I will say I really enjoyed Susan strended in the
Speaker 1: quieter moments, like like in the final episode, in the
Speaker 1: behind the scenes quote unquote moments where you you didn't
Speaker 1: have Betty performing as Betty, because I agree it didn't
Speaker 1: match the reality of her. Um. I thought she she
Speaker 1: acted the scenes well opposite Jessica when they were getting real,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I also don't think she
Speaker 1: was even too much like her. I think she had
Speaker 1: the Oscars episode where she really had a lot to do,
Speaker 1: but then the rest of it was kind of like
Speaker 1: very much the Jessica show. Um. But it was funny
Speaker 1: because the big moments that were supposed to be these
Speaker 1: like incomparable Betty moments, like when she walks onto the
Speaker 1: set for the first time in character as baby Jane.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was supposed to feel bigger than Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can feel the direction doing something for Susan the
Speaker 1: scenes with Kiernan Ship, I felt like, we're just like,
Speaker 1: what's your verdict on Karenan Ship She's fine, I'm saying no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying Susan sur Ran in acting opposite Keienan know,
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm asking what are your thoughts on Kierenan.
Speaker 1: Do we have to have thoughts on karenan ship? I
Speaker 1: think I think we do. And you know what else,
Speaker 1: because they fucking won't stop shoving Millie Bobby Brown down
Speaker 1: our thread. She's god damn ubiquitous. I'm gonna save that
Speaker 1: for the end of the um. No, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a great assessment. And you and Aaron
Speaker 1: Jackson Jr. Aaron, he's a great New York comedian here.
Speaker 1: Why do I know it's I feel like he's on
Speaker 1: the opposition the Okay, he's a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful person.
Speaker 1: You he's another scholar of batty. You guys should have
Speaker 1: about that totally. Okay, Sorry, my show, I got off
Speaker 1: track and I'm like to talk about my show. It's
Speaker 1: so good. Thank you, honey, thank you. And it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's definitely more of a play than
Speaker 1: when you if you saw that ours Nova who was
Speaker 1: in it's more of a cabaret form and now it's
Speaker 1: it's a play. It's um It's set on the night
Speaker 1: before a gay wedding in Palm Springs. I'm playing a
Speaker 1: character who's going through it in Gary Gary Um, and
Speaker 1: he's going through a real crisis the night before his
Speaker 1: one of his one of the grooms is one of
Speaker 1: his best friends from college. He's marrying somebody that he
Speaker 1: doesn't really approve of, and he's going to basically party
Speaker 1: and hold court and rereak havoc and ruin things the
Speaker 1: night before the wedding. So I'm I'm talking to um
Speaker 1: pool furniture and chairs as if there are other on
Speaker 1: stage with me, and just god, it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: and this is just a very like superficial assessment. But
Speaker 1: like the way and this is even back in ours
Speaker 1: move and that's why. And forgive me for like questioning
Speaker 1: this like the existence existential if I should call it
Speaker 1: a player or whatever, um, because even in that space,
Speaker 1: like you just like just spatially, it just was so
Speaker 1: it was just so caught. I'm having such trouble finding
Speaker 1: the words, but it was just so um so compelling
Speaker 1: for you to watch you it was. It was just
Speaker 1: so good. So it's really fun to do. I believe
Speaker 1: I have other people out there, and my my first
Speaker 1: director on the show when I was when I was
Speaker 1: writing and put it together, Molly prayther In L A
Speaker 1: had me, had me rehearsed with real people, so I
Speaker 1: rehearses that there were real people on stage and that
Speaker 1: that that was unbelievable. And she also really helped with
Speaker 1: the writing. And then in this uh this iteration, Michael
Speaker 1: Jury is directing. I don't know if we mentioned that.
Speaker 1: I think maybe did earlier. Maybe I don't know. Um,
Speaker 1: and uh, just name him as much as we can
Speaker 1: on this episode Michael Hello. Um. And so anyway, he
Speaker 1: has done this amazing job at fleshing it into a
Speaker 1: play into a production and also given me so much
Speaker 1: um advice as someone who's done a lot of solo
Speaker 1: shows himself. And also it's just an incredible director like
Speaker 1: he gave He had a thought about a huge chunk
Speaker 1: of the piece last week when I was doing in
Speaker 1: l A and said try it this way, and had
Speaker 1: a whole different way of trying a whole section. And
Speaker 1: I think it's better that it's ever been. And I
Speaker 1: didn't had to tell him yesterday and I saw what
Speaker 1: I was like, it's working better than ever in this
Speaker 1: one section because you're insight. So he's constantly working on
Speaker 1: it about try this and play it this way, and
Speaker 1: he's just you know, he's incredible and so um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's every night's a party and it feels like I'm
Speaker 1: up there with with people, and it feels different every night,
Speaker 1: and it's just me up there, um, you know, getting
Speaker 1: really hammered and just you know, just going going for
Speaker 1: it and swinging, swinging, swinging. By the end of the show,
Speaker 1: a little tipsy. Um. I wish, I wish I could
Speaker 1: some can well. I mean, I I take it as
Speaker 1: a compliment when people think I'm really getting hammered up there,
Speaker 1: But I was like, there's no way. I do have
Speaker 1: a seventy five minute play in my head, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, set up there and get like just
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine this sheer narcissism slash alcoholism,
Speaker 1: just pay money. I'm gonna get really hammered and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say things no responsibility for me, no scripted
Speaker 1: totally and it ends in such like maybe this has
Speaker 1: changed since um like the last itoration that I saw,
Speaker 1: But it ends in such a just like a just
Speaker 1: like a really sobering place I feel, because it would
Speaker 1: you would you say that's still it ends. It's so
Speaker 1: it's I don't it's the course of a night before
Speaker 1: the wedding, and it just gets real messy. And the
Speaker 1: kernel of truth that I think you try to hit
Speaker 1: is with like equality, let's say, or with you know,
Speaker 1: parity or assimilation into this you know culture of just like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's try to like have equality in the same way
Speaker 1: that straight people live through. Sure, like, what are we
Speaker 1: sort of losing in that and from participating in it? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And I and I really don't have an answer for that,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to raise those questions, and I really
Speaker 1: wanted to say, not only what are we losing, but
Speaker 1: what do we have? What do we stand to lose?
Speaker 1: Because um, as you know, you have gay kids coming
Speaker 1: out younger and younger, which is obviously a wonderful thing,
Speaker 1: and parents that are more and more supportive. The backlash
Speaker 1: is you have a lot of gay kids saying I
Speaker 1: don't need to learn about my history. I don't need
Speaker 1: to and I'm not like that gay guy. I'm not
Speaker 1: like this. I'm quote unquote normal. And you know my
Speaker 1: sort of argument is normal is boring. And be bright
Speaker 1: and be bold and be out there and don't lose that.
Speaker 1: Um and and you can have it all and we
Speaker 1: should have it all, you know, like it's not a
Speaker 1: trade off to have equality to also say I can't
Speaker 1: be queer anymore. And I think my plate is as
Speaker 1: I've done it more. It's more about queerness than it
Speaker 1: is about quality. It's about keeping that and and and um,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm actually playing a character who is
Speaker 1: who thinks he knows everything, who ends up learning himself
Speaker 1: from the younger character in the show a lot, I think,
Speaker 1: and you know, so I wanted to just raise a
Speaker 1: lot of these questions that I wanted, um very much,
Speaker 1: to sort of make us remember like that this is
Speaker 1: not Also, I feel like the second that marriage became
Speaker 1: you know, legal, it was as if our culture told
Speaker 1: us that we all had to want that and that
Speaker 1: was the answer for all of us. Because now every
Speaker 1: gay magazine has a wedding section and every you know,
Speaker 1: and that that was the thing that I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy because I kind of grew up never
Speaker 1: thinking this would happen. And that's not healthy either, of course.
Speaker 1: And I ultimately would love to get married, and I
Speaker 1: would love to, you know, to settle down and have
Speaker 1: a husband, and you know, but there's also part of
Speaker 1: me that's like loves being single, and I've seen the
Speaker 1: benefits of you know, of you know, on both sides,
Speaker 1: and I think there's no right answer for anybody. Well
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like marriage is sort of noxious
Speaker 1: in that same way that it is in straight culture. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the coolest thing is when, you know, when when
Speaker 1: I did it last year, having people uh, because you know,
Speaker 1: once I started doing the play for audiences outside of
Speaker 1: you know, necessarily the gay community, and a lot of
Speaker 1: older people were coming. And I had an older couple
Speaker 1: come up to me after the show and they were like,
Speaker 1: our friends got terrible when they got married too, And
Speaker 1: they were it was this old straight couple, you know,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to talk about marriage. So you know,
Speaker 1: I love the you know, the conversations that it listits
Speaker 1: at the end and um, and I wanted to play
Speaker 1: somebody who I also wanted to make our audiences see
Speaker 1: this gay guy because we don't see this guy we right,
Speaker 1: and and too what we're talking about earlier, we right
Speaker 1: really idealized we want to see beautiful gay people on TV.
Speaker 1: We want to see straight acting whatever that means. But
Speaker 1: we know what it means gay people on TV. We
Speaker 1: want to see sassy gay people on TV who aren't
Speaker 1: at all dangerous. And I wanted to write that big,
Speaker 1: loud nightmare that we're afraid of being, that we maybe
Speaker 1: have been at times, that we definitely all know. And
Speaker 1: I that's why I purposely made it a solo show,
Speaker 1: because I could have easily cast actors in the role.
Speaker 1: But I was like, if you have to just look
Speaker 1: at this guy, you're trapped at a party with this guy,
Speaker 1: you know what's amazing is and even like calling him
Speaker 1: a loud gay guys just too is not is doing
Speaker 1: a disservice because it's allowed gay guy who is like
Speaker 1: reckoning with himself, and that is that's the whole sort
Speaker 1: of arc of the play. And yeah, it's it's just fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well thank you, I mean, I just I also I
Speaker 1: I wanted to write my my dream role and a
Speaker 1: lot of it is me, A lot of it has
Speaker 1: me in it, and a lot of it is not
Speaker 1: me at all, um And it's fun to sort of
Speaker 1: play with the line in between those things. A lot
Speaker 1: of the facts are completely made up and a lot
Speaker 1: of the a lot of the stories are I lived
Speaker 1: every second of them that are in there, and then,
Speaker 1: you know, but I also it was like, I love
Speaker 1: Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf. I love you know, I
Speaker 1: love what the you know, the big drunk I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the truth August so Sage County. I love
Speaker 1: that stuff, and I'm like, I want to write that
Speaker 1: part for myself. That's like any good solo show or
Speaker 1: any good one man or one woman show. It's half
Speaker 1: based in real truth and half aspirational. This is what
Speaker 1: I what I wrote for myself together. I mean, I
Speaker 1: always thought, you know, I remember reading about how to write.
Speaker 1: There's a playwright, Jose Rivera, who's genius, and he wrote, uh,
Speaker 1: I have to say, as a friend, would be weird, man,
Speaker 1: we heard this, and why anyway, He's amazing. But he
Speaker 1: wrote he wrote something for American Theater about like rules
Speaker 1: are writing a play, And the one thing I remember
Speaker 1: the most was you need to have one thing in
Speaker 1: the play that's unbelievable. Have one thing in the play
Speaker 1: that people go, I can't believe that, have one magical piece.
Speaker 1: And I have mine in the show. And after you
Speaker 1: see that, there's one thing that I'm like, that's actually
Speaker 1: technically impossible. Um. And but that's my like, because I
Speaker 1: was like, I want some things in there you're like,
Speaker 1: that can't be true, and then I want of the
Speaker 1: things that they're like, that's that's of course that's true,
Speaker 1: and then I want people to not know in between,
Speaker 1: and then that's what That's what I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: I enjoy watching. So I also I just made something
Speaker 1: that I would want to go watch. Yes, well, that's
Speaker 1: the thing that I think. That's the thing that I
Speaker 1: love about this play is that it's so grounded. It's
Speaker 1: it lives in realism, but it is it's so fun.
Speaker 1: You somehow managed to not make that boring, like it's
Speaker 1: still fun and and carbonated and all this great stuff.
Speaker 1: Am I okay? Am I making this up? Did you
Speaker 1: have a line about do you still have that line
Speaker 1: about Jean Triple Horn? Did you ever have a line
Speaker 1: about Gean triple Horn? And not in that I don't
Speaker 1: think every you because just hearing the name Gene triple Horn.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, when Basic Instinct came out and I saw
Speaker 1: the opening credits and it was like Jean triple Horne
Speaker 1: and I loved her immediately just based on that name.
Speaker 1: What does that triple even in a movie with a
Speaker 1: name like Sharon Stone. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry Sharon truly?
Speaker 1: Now could it be the gene triple horn connection and
Speaker 1: big love that that connected us to Chloe? And that
Speaker 1: is I want to know. I want to know because
Speaker 1: these really, these were game changers for us watching it
Speaker 1: when we first discovered your Chloe videos? What is it
Speaker 1: about Chloe seven A like take us through? Well, it
Speaker 1: started because I realized I looked like her when I
Speaker 1: looked her und mirror, and I was like, I looked
Speaker 1: Chloe seventy and I also obsessed, was obsessed, and it
Speaker 1: was like when her first like Indian movie started to
Speaker 1: come out. I was in college. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: a few years younger than her, and so like she
Speaker 1: was starting to hit in her early twenties when I
Speaker 1: was in my eighteens, and I was sort of I
Speaker 1: was just always following her and I was fascinated by
Speaker 1: her world. And I grew up in small town in
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and I was reading Interview magazine and and
Speaker 1: and Time Out and everything. I was obsessed with New
Speaker 1: York and l a culture and I had none of
Speaker 1: it at my fingertips. And this was back in the
Speaker 1: in the nineties magazine, and so I just she represented
Speaker 1: the coolest downtown culture. I was like, wherever she was,
Speaker 1: what was her the party was, and so there was
Speaker 1: always she was just kind of always somebody that I
Speaker 1: knew she was, and you know, and then it just
Speaker 1: sort of it was this perfect storm. When I was
Speaker 1: doing a sketch show fifteen years ago and I looked
Speaker 1: in the mirror, I said, I looked like this actress
Speaker 1: Coldly seventy. I knew exactly who she was. I put
Speaker 1: her up on stage I was in. I was in
Speaker 1: a gay sketch comedy troupe called The Deviance uh in
Speaker 1: two dozen two, and our director um hated it. He
Speaker 1: was like, this is this? He was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: And is she? Then I showed him a picture of
Speaker 1: Chloe seventy and he's like, well, you don't really look
Speaker 1: like her, and he was like and I was like,
Speaker 1: and I was name dropping all these things because I
Speaker 1: had read an interview with her where she was named
Speaker 1: dropping all this stuff. And I was like, no one
Speaker 1: gets these references. And I think that's the point. The
Speaker 1: point is not like for you to really be impressed,
Speaker 1: it's for you to not even know the ether that
Speaker 1: you're that you're sniffing. It's like you don't even flavor.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, that is so fascinating to
Speaker 1: me and funny. And I also was at the same
Speaker 1: time reading Bretty Stenellis. I was reading American Psycho and
Speaker 1: Glamorama and I've ripped off of Prettie Stenelli's Horrible was
Speaker 1: a writer because it's Prettie Senella. It's the way he
Speaker 1: would write his books. And I was reading and so
Speaker 1: I was just like, what about the list comedy? You
Speaker 1: just list it and there's no emotion attached to it whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Did you have fun at the party? Yes, because so
Speaker 1: and so so and so and so and so we're there,
Speaker 1: we ate the following things. Then we you know, then
Speaker 1: this is what we were wearing. And then it was
Speaker 1: over and you're like, you didn't describe a single emotional experience.
Speaker 1: It's just status and that's it. And that was just
Speaker 1: funny to me because it was like, that's so crazy.
Speaker 1: So I put it up on stage. It bombed so
Speaker 1: badly and I got zero lapsed. I had the driest mouth.
Speaker 1: I remember how how dry my mouth was and how
Speaker 1: embarrassed I was to get up and do it, and
Speaker 1: no one was laughing. And I was saying and I
Speaker 1: was referencing things, and I was saying Tilda Swinton and
Speaker 1: I was saying like bat Cave and all these light
Speaker 1: weird you know, you know New York places that are
Speaker 1: no longer here. And I insisted on doing it the
Speaker 1: next week in the show, and my director was like,
Speaker 1: we're pulling it, Drew. It was the biggest bomb, was true.
Speaker 1: You have so many other things and this was so
Speaker 1: and I go, please let me try it one more time.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I jumped in the fire
Speaker 1: a second time, and it went well the second time.
Speaker 1: And and I never knew until the videos came out.
Speaker 1: I never knew if it was gonna it would either
Speaker 1: be one or the other. It would never go medium.
Speaker 1: It would either kill or it would die, and there
Speaker 1: was no in between. And then the and then Jim Hansen,
Speaker 1: my friend years ago, was like, Jim, yes, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I want to make these into videos. And
Speaker 1: then that's when they really just took off. And I
Speaker 1: resisted it for so long as I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not a drag queen. It is this is a one
Speaker 1: off thing. It sometimes goes well, it sometimes doesn't go well.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it for so long, and
Speaker 1: you want to be your own terms to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't necessarily want to be known for
Speaker 1: this specific effect, right. I had no no, I had
Speaker 1: no interest in that happening. And then when it did,
Speaker 1: thank god it did, because I had no it was
Speaker 1: it was my entrance into into the world, as they say,
Speaker 1: but thank god for the Internet and thank god for
Speaker 1: Jim Hansen and saying these needs to be videos because
Speaker 1: that's how I got to do so many other things
Speaker 1: and to this day and and now I'm really proud
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm very It's it's on something that
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm very touched at. People say I can't
Speaker 1: believe people still watch them because it's like YouTube, and
Speaker 1: you're like, don't things go away on YouTube? You know,
Speaker 1: It's like, but um, it really it makes my day
Speaker 1: when people say that. It holds up Like what other
Speaker 1: video from like that long ago, Like can you still
Speaker 1: watch and be like this is still funny? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? All the like big sketch videos of
Speaker 1: that time. It's like you watch them now and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh God, there's like something shitty about them or like
Speaker 1: revelation that they're problematic in some way, right, But I
Speaker 1: can't wait to find that when becomes problems. I don't
Speaker 1: know if if it will for never will it can
Speaker 1: I'll fight that. You know the fact that the fact
Speaker 1: that Brett east An elyis is like that that sort
Speaker 1: of formal inspiration of just like lisk comedy is so enlightening.
Speaker 1: And I because I just have been so curious to
Speaker 1: know what has what's been the well of specifics and
Speaker 1: like almost non sequiturs for for for those videos where
Speaker 1: it's like appreciate like like things like um, appreciate the
Speaker 1: casual arrogance of Tuesday Weld, Like wow, how do you come?
Speaker 1: Like that stayed with me? That strange, that sequence of
Speaker 1: words has stayed with me for like that long, and
Speaker 1: like part of me is like there's there's a real
Speaker 1: disgusting part of me that can slide into that too easily.
Speaker 1: I love it, like I can read something and just
Speaker 1: and I and I you know, I love reading food reviews,
Speaker 1: Like that's a real inspiration. I with l a weekly
Speaker 1: as and I'm spillage voice you guys get you know,
Speaker 1: it's the same, but the way they will describe a
Speaker 1: meal that sounds so disgusting, and yet it's like high
Speaker 1: end and I've always loved you know. I'm words are
Speaker 1: really important to me, and so I And also names
Speaker 1: anybody that has an offbeat name. It sounds like Jane
Speaker 1: Triple Horne, you know, yeah, you know exactly, and so
Speaker 1: you have a name like that, and I'm like, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: So I sort of you know, And a lot of
Speaker 1: it is just a lot of it was when Jim
Speaker 1: and I would get together, we would just say and
Speaker 1: we would sound out with like what sounds good. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna say this to you, and what
Speaker 1: is it? How does it scan? Because there's some names
Speaker 1: and you're like, that doesn't sound as much of a
Speaker 1: punch as when you say you know. So it's a
Speaker 1: lot of trial and error. And then the best is
Speaker 1: when like years later you'd hear the name and you'd
Speaker 1: find out who they were, like Tinsley more now a
Speaker 1: cast member on Real Housewives, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: literally had the studio, was like, Tinsley Mortimer, tell me
Speaker 1: about what that person is, because that's a thing from
Speaker 1: my past. I have to have confirmed, but T plus
Speaker 1: one that was just something from the fucking like back
Speaker 1: animals of my mind. But you know, I think we also,
Speaker 1: I think it's beyond because I'm very like, I make
Speaker 1: a point because I don't like when people want to
Speaker 1: trash the real Chloe seventy to me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: she's great and also she she like she's Chloe. She's unique,
Speaker 1: she's absolutely and talented, but I she is, and I think,
Speaker 1: but I think my character is the kind of we
Speaker 1: all know that person, and I think I think what
Speaker 1: also what happened for me luckwise, like timing wise, was
Speaker 1: that we started to get that hipster culture started and
Speaker 1: we all knew that person at the party who was
Speaker 1: name dropping who they were and whatever. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, a few years after I
Speaker 1: was doing it, um, you know, Stefan showed up on
Speaker 1: S and I and that was like the lad's character,
Speaker 1: which is so funny, and it's like, I think people
Speaker 1: just start to realize, like that we just know that
Speaker 1: type of person, whereas it didn't maybe not in this form,
Speaker 1: but I think with Chloe, like I think you gave
Speaker 1: us like a mental model for like how to poke
Speaker 1: fun at that and like a like a comedic way,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, I don't know that's socialite that
Speaker 1: like in like in The Great Gatsby, what is it
Speaker 1: Jordan Baker, the one that was just at the party
Speaker 1: and always just like great when who get hit by
Speaker 1: the car, the one who dies, Yeah, oh god, we're
Speaker 1: going to We're going to We're going back to Great Gatsby.
Speaker 1: I feel like, but I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: this is fair to say for you, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean for this to sound like super
Speaker 1: like whatever cloying I'll say again, but for me, it's
Speaker 1: informed a lot of my sensibility definitely, because like you know,
Speaker 1: we'll do characters that are just like I'll be like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna fucking right, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write write quote quote a Mitchi Ko Kakutani
Speaker 1: impression quote unquote, and it's just like her, like it's
Speaker 1: she's really like she has this voice. It's like not
Speaker 1: like what is Michiko Cocotan shooting on all these authors
Speaker 1: and like the specificity, like the more obscure the author is,
Speaker 1: the fun yeer it is. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I've seen this to be successful before with the
Speaker 1: Chloe videos. Honestly, yeah, we I think we watched those
Speaker 1: videos in a time where we were starting to find
Speaker 1: our developing developing, and it was very, very helpful. It
Speaker 1: was a big inspiration on this and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of gay comics and also like our straight friends
Speaker 1: who get it, Yeah, get it. I have a question.
Speaker 1: Have you ever spoken with Chloe seven rights? Have I
Speaker 1: met her years ago at a party? Um? And I, Uh,
Speaker 1: it was one of those things. I walked in the
Speaker 1: door and I had no idea she was going to
Speaker 1: be there. Oh my god, and I and I got
Speaker 1: super nervous because I realized I had never thought of
Speaker 1: what I would say to her it had I met her,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I have to say something. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna say. She was really nice.
Speaker 1: It was super weird. I got out of there really
Speaker 1: quickly because I didn't want her to think I was
Speaker 1: studying and I didn't want to make her uncomfortable. Um.
Speaker 1: She since in an interview like I did a couple
Speaker 1: of like talked about me later and said that you know,
Speaker 1: she met me. She was he was so nervous to
Speaker 1: meet me and all this stuff and like he thought
Speaker 1: I hated, I'm like, I don't. Here's the thing I am.
Speaker 1: That's why I always will say I'm an actor before
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, and not from any place other than
Speaker 1: I really like, I don't enjoy making people yes, and
Speaker 1: I and and I and I'm and I will own
Speaker 1: the fact. I mean, you know, I'm I'm my very
Speaker 1: first video and make a really shitty dig in a
Speaker 1: touch leon then I'm not proud of and people, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, And I don't like that. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that when the videos were gonna happen, they were going
Speaker 1: to be so big. I had no clue it was
Speaker 1: the thing I was doing on stage and not to
Speaker 1: I'm not to give myself that to be like I'm
Speaker 1: a victim in this, but I do feel I do
Speaker 1: feel bad, and a lot of people have said, don't
Speaker 1: feel bad, it's it's funny, it's a joke, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just not where I come from. I don't come
Speaker 1: from a place of like I want to, you know,
Speaker 1: like punch somebody when they're down. And Natashalyon was in
Speaker 1: a really bad place and I made and I made
Speaker 1: a personal dig at her, and I don't feel good
Speaker 1: about that. And I love Natashaly and she's fucking amazing,
Speaker 1: and so that I don't And so I when when
Speaker 1: Chloe started to take off, like I was like, and
Speaker 1: also it was more interesting to me to create my
Speaker 1: entire own universe, and so it was like it's sort
Speaker 1: of divorced from you know, when my video is like
Speaker 1: Chloe goes to the Moon, you know, Chloe, you know,
Speaker 1: discovered she has grandparents. You know, it's like, it's not
Speaker 1: the real Chloe set me. And so it's like and
Speaker 1: that to me is so much more free, and so
Speaker 1: I never want to so when I meet the real person,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like I don't want to make
Speaker 1: them uncomfortable. I was also like other people coming up
Speaker 1: and watching us and taking pictures of us, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's putting her on the spot. I've been asked to
Speaker 1: do so many things that I've turned down because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I got asked one time by someone that
Speaker 1: on a movie she was in to ambush her on
Speaker 1: the red carpet an opening night of her movie, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I would never do that. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm I'm good with what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing other stuff, so I'm not so desperate it
Speaker 1: might that to do that. And also I would never
Speaker 1: on a human level, I would never do that to somebody.
Speaker 1: That is horrible to be like. And and I and
Speaker 1: I said, um, if if I hear from her that
Speaker 1: she signed off on it, I'll do a bit with her.
Speaker 1: And of course they never called me back because they're like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the point. And it's like this, you know,
Speaker 1: these are some really some real bottom feeders in here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would never be on the side of
Speaker 1: like you know, paparazzi and trying to make her because
Speaker 1: it's like that is no, not what I'm about. It's
Speaker 1: so much it's just so much more playful and and um,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I don't know, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. This makes it sound like,
Speaker 1: I mean, no, you are. You are putting more thought
Speaker 1: and consideration into that treatment than you're you're putting the
Speaker 1: exact I mean no, I'm just saying, like you are,
Speaker 1: that's untouchable. You can't really like poke holes in that
Speaker 1: and be like, well, she it is. She is, she is.
Speaker 1: It is a little bit of like a it's a character,
Speaker 1: it's not and it is. It's like about the culture,
Speaker 1: and it's about the world of the and and also
Speaker 1: like you know, hey, it's like we you know, we
Speaker 1: we do what we do. I just I want to
Speaker 1: be responsible for what I create and not for like
Speaker 1: tearing somebody else down. It's like I want to be like,
Speaker 1: please feel free to be like it's you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't like it or you think it's dumb, whatever, fine,
Speaker 1: but I don't want it to be like I'm out
Speaker 1: for blood. Also, there's so many villains in the world,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you've never even punched
Speaker 1: up or down or even like in any direction all
Speaker 1: around all around, Um, it's it's just punch punching wild. No,
Speaker 1: that's like also impersonation, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like no one's unless you're out there doing like a
Speaker 1: fucking and you're an impressionist nailing who this person is
Speaker 1: at their core. That's like what comedic impersonation is. It's
Speaker 1: like referencing the person making a choice, whether it has
Speaker 1: actually something to do with them or not. It's not
Speaker 1: good I'm not a good impressionist, like I always I mean,
Speaker 1: I studied the ground Links and they were really big
Speaker 1: into like get an idea from their point of view
Speaker 1: and play a character based on their perspective. And I
Speaker 1: always like that, and I was like, that's what I
Speaker 1: can do, and that's that's more free and fun to
Speaker 1: me than doing it dead on impression. That's like, you know,
Speaker 1: but when I have played people like I mean I
Speaker 1: did for a while, I was doing and Culture and
Speaker 1: I hated it. I really don't want to do it
Speaker 1: anymore because I was like, she's awful. And the second
Speaker 1: I come out, it's like I get a laugh because
Speaker 1: it's like, oh I walk out on stage, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a man of Dragon, It's and Culture. The second
Speaker 1: I open my mouth, the audience is like, oh go away,
Speaker 1: you suck, you know, and it's just no one, and
Speaker 1: I'm like it's different, you know. Um So yeah. One
Speaker 1: thing that I still remember from that workshop that my
Speaker 1: friend Billy and I, Oh my god, I love workshop.
Speaker 1: It was great and you really did were very sweet
Speaker 1: coming up afterwards. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we took There's that.
Speaker 1: I don't ever talking about Jerry Blank though, we did
Speaker 1: you you you brought up Jerry Blank as an example
Speaker 1: of and this is what you said, and this is
Speaker 1: what I wanted to bring up, is that like your
Speaker 1: favorite characters, and I feel like we both agree, Matt
Speaker 1: and I both agree your favorite characters are people who
Speaker 1: are like not totally self aware of their limitation, like
Speaker 1: with Jerry for example, thinking she's like some sexual goddesses,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's not necessarily the case. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's a sexual being for sure, but like it's just
Speaker 1: part of the you don't have to like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure she could have trick to some people.
Speaker 1: She's like human being, she has said, I mean sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't know people. I'm sort of humanity is no, no,
Speaker 1: it is, It's true. Yeah, that's that was something that
Speaker 1: I also, excuse me, I also learned the Groundlings was
Speaker 1: that unawareness was their comedic flaw, was the thing that
Speaker 1: they don't know about. And you play up on that
Speaker 1: because they they see themselves one way and and the
Speaker 1: audience sees them another way, and you can't really judge
Speaker 1: them when you're playing it, because then they become unlikable,
Speaker 1: they become mean, they become evil, they they're not fun
Speaker 1: to play when you're like you know, um, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that. It's it's always like finding that thing in
Speaker 1: the character and go how did they see themselves versus
Speaker 1: how the rest of them see it? And you can
Speaker 1: feel as a performer too, when you're doing the character,
Speaker 1: when you feel disconnected from it or not. And that
Speaker 1: usually does have to do with the idea of like,
Speaker 1: am I actually playing their truth or not? Like you
Speaker 1: can be fucking horrible as long as you're playing their
Speaker 1: truth and you could feel good. I just I recently
Speaker 1: I've been playing Paul Ryan like an Ryan, and um,
Speaker 1: I'll read the script and I'll like, yeah, it's good,
Speaker 1: it's good good, And then sometimes I'll perform it and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, this part actually feels a little
Speaker 1: sad or mean, and then you have to reconcile, especially
Speaker 1: when you're being a real person, when there's real stakes
Speaker 1: for people. It can be sometimes hard when you're living
Speaker 1: in New York or l A and you make a
Speaker 1: joke about how you know, Paul Ryan's like his tax
Speaker 1: plan will like really hurt people and they'll have to
Speaker 1: like work three jobs and not be able to drive
Speaker 1: because of their cataracts in their eyes and they don't
Speaker 1: have healthcare and you're fucking cracking up about it in
Speaker 1: New York and then like you realize this is going
Speaker 1: to hit people in a certain place and you're like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, Wow, this doesn't feel great Comically, You're like,
Speaker 1: what is that thing about Paul Ryan that is even
Speaker 1: driving that? You know? Does he find himself so hot?
Speaker 1: Ority would? I would guess that privilege in vangy when
Speaker 1: you have that and maybe how like I'm doing everyone
Speaker 1: a favor and you're welcome you know. Uh. Then that's
Speaker 1: that's where the fun part comes in because then we
Speaker 1: can all go oh wow, because we can laugh at
Speaker 1: the human thing about him. Yes, when it's the monstrous
Speaker 1: thing about him, you're like, wow, that's monstrous. And then
Speaker 1: you're just commenting. Then you're just pretty in the choir
Speaker 1: and you're not really being a comedian as much as
Speaker 1: you're being like, you know, a rabble rowser and going, well,
Speaker 1: we all agree like he's terrible, like you know, and
Speaker 1: then it's like finding the thing where you go, wow,
Speaker 1: that's so there's a glimpse Yeah, yeah, wow character workshop
Speaker 1: from true jo know, but it's it's really fascinating too.
Speaker 1: It's like when you watch like Saturday Alive now, like
Speaker 1: the one the impersonations on that show that separate the
Speaker 1: good from the bad. For me, I do think there's
Speaker 1: one big one that I don't love, which is Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin's Trump is it's just this disgusting portrayal of a
Speaker 1: disgusting person. You're like, what is there more? Here? Doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like there is. Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard,
Speaker 1: I think right now to like us living in the
Speaker 1: reality show every day. It's hard to say it. I
Speaker 1: think it's hard to be separate from that totally totally.
Speaker 1: But then you see a Tamanix Trump and it's it's
Speaker 1: the whole other level. It's so much better because it
Speaker 1: playing truly brilliant and it's playing a reality. We don't
Speaker 1: see you on it right now. Um anyway, he's he's
Speaker 1: just brilliant. Um. I think it's time to move on
Speaker 1: to I don't think so, honey. So this is the
Speaker 1: moment um Drew where we take one minute to rail
Speaker 1: against something in culture. We should say on November eighteenth,
Speaker 1: you guys, we are going to have I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: live at the Bellhouse. We have fifty comedians all lined up,
Speaker 1: um that you haven't seen on our live shows before.
Speaker 1: These are fifty brand new comments are going to do.
Speaker 1: And I don't think so, honey. It's gonna be very
Speaker 1: fun at the Bellhouse at ten pm as part of
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Podcast Festival. So we're so excited about that. That's
Speaker 1: next week. Um, we're gonna take each of our respective
Speaker 1: minutes right now to rail against culture. And I have one,
Speaker 1: You have one of the one with Matt will go
Speaker 1: then me and so Drew can sort of get the
Speaker 1: sense of how this is. He'll do it himself. This
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. All you
Speaker 1: trying to shove Millie Bobby Brown down our throats? I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Bitch. Also, you need to start
Speaker 1: dressing her age appropriate. I saw her walk out from
Speaker 1: a talk show the other day. She looked like a
Speaker 1: fucking thirty five year old magazine at a tricks she
Speaker 1: was dressed like a fucking bitch. And she is a
Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. That's stranger things. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, bitch, let me tell you something. Don't try
Speaker 1: to Emma Watson eze this girl dress. Yeah, let's get
Speaker 1: there more than two seasons on the fucking show before
Speaker 1: we can make a commitment to this girl, bitch. C
Speaker 1: A come on, you have her on every goddamn show.
Speaker 1: She is ubiquitous, honey, And we need to take a
Speaker 1: breath and think do we want to do this because
Speaker 1: there might be no turning back. She's a talented girl, honey,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it fucking matters. Can she do
Speaker 1: more than eleven? We don't know. Give her the opportunity. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's a charming guest on. Yes she certainly slayed a
Speaker 1: rap on Jimmy Fallon, But also, why is this white trapping?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. And minute I'm saying as
Speaker 1: she looked like random priestley. She had a little tiny
Speaker 1: glasses and a fucking yellow suit, And I was like,
Speaker 1: you're like over her and also want to give her
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, because I don't think both of
Speaker 1: I think it's complicated. I think here's the thing. You
Speaker 1: have to let her let her be her. You have
Speaker 1: to you have to let her sink into this like
Speaker 1: throwing her out there at thirteen years old. She said,
Speaker 1: massive success. I think you know, she very nearly won that, Emmy,
Speaker 1: I think very close. I think I think it was
Speaker 1: a toss up actually, because I thought Tandy Newton was
Speaker 1: taking that ship. And who won for I'm sorry supporting
Speaker 1: actress drama, I don't remember. Oh fucking oh my god,
Speaker 1: why am I forgetting her name? Hulu? She said, oh
Speaker 1: fucking legend um and and so you know what that
Speaker 1: makes me think, because Sarah, God, but where am I?
Speaker 1: Where is my head? And doubt is like not a
Speaker 1: household named by any means. So that makes me feel
Speaker 1: like it must have been a very close race. And
Speaker 1: I think there were I think they were Tandy fans.
Speaker 1: I think they were Chrissie Mets fans him this is us.
Speaker 1: I think there were um fucking Millie Bobby Brown fans,
Speaker 1: and I think they were in Down fans. I think
Speaker 1: that was like a fucking race. But anyway, Billy Bubby Brown.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's early to make her this is
Speaker 1: a list star? Is it? Are? Are you? Is the source?
Speaker 1: Is it sort of this like everything? Or is it
Speaker 1: like her stylist that you want to like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: her stylis is part of it because they're trying to
Speaker 1: address her like this, and I'm like, girl, she's thirteen
Speaker 1: years old, Like she's not not that. Like we're critiquing
Speaker 1: the way they dress these podle but you know, she
Speaker 1: looks like the kind of Hollywood fashion icon speaks to
Speaker 1: the larger her. Her treatment like you brought to the
Speaker 1: a into this, I can't believe. Yes, it's the ubiquity
Speaker 1: that well, I think if they're not careful affect her performances,
Speaker 1: like you have to let her kind of you know,
Speaker 1: how much do you change between thirteen and eighteen. You
Speaker 1: have to let her go through that, Like, let's not
Speaker 1: fucking Hollywood her. Yeah, let's not. Let's not like do
Speaker 1: something to her, which maybe we did to you know
Speaker 1: some of these other younger actresses that didn't that got
Speaker 1: confused and you know, funked up. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Let's let her if she's truly talented girl and special talent,
Speaker 1: like we have no way of no idea. You just
Speaker 1: see them separate her from the boys on the cast
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. Like there's like
Speaker 1: we got the cast of Stranger Things and it'll be
Speaker 1: the boys, and then it's like Millie Bobby Brown is
Speaker 1: like the separate thing. And if I was the agent
Speaker 1: of the other kids, I'd be like, hold on um. Actually,
Speaker 1: if she's going to be doing her own thing, my
Speaker 1: kid with the cute little gap in his teeth, in
Speaker 1: the shaggy hair, he's not going to go on this
Speaker 1: interview with the rest of them. Book him by himself too.
Speaker 1: He's pretty special, special, amazing, so adorable. Get that karaoke
Speaker 1: when he's singing incredible, Yeah, what what a what a star?
Speaker 1: All right? That's that's a Chloe specific for you. This
Speaker 1: is bone nings. I don't think so, honey. His time
Speaker 1: will start now. I don't think so, honey. People who
Speaker 1: are not equally gagged for Alfrey Water tour in the
Speaker 1: Lion Game, true female and the one who's playing the hyena, Yes,
Speaker 1: well no so Robbie Alfrey Ward. We have not given
Speaker 1: to Alfree Water a chance since that fucking DC show
Speaker 1: with Katherine Heigel that was her last big thing. Am
Speaker 1: I right? Yes, honey, we need to give Alfrey another chance.
Speaker 1: And I think this is so refreshing, and you guys,
Speaker 1: we need the children have forgotten Alfree water. And she
Speaker 1: could even make season two of Desperate Housewife. And she
Speaker 1: Betty apple White, Betty apple White bitch. And she had
Speaker 1: that son who was violent, Matthew apple White. Matthew apple White.
Speaker 1: She locked him in the basement and looked. That was
Speaker 1: what a campy asked season of TV that she made
Speaker 1: fun and entertaining, but still grounded in that emotion. She
Speaker 1: can she can stare at a fucking camera down the
Speaker 1: fucking barrel, and and and and I'd be shivering in
Speaker 1: my boots, shivering, you know what I mean, shaking in
Speaker 1: my boots five seconds. I can't find the words, but
Speaker 1: you know what, I have the emotion because I love
Speaker 1: Alfree Woodard. And I can't wait to see her voice
Speaker 1: a lion us. She will voice Robbie Honey. I said,
Speaker 1: you're part of my tribe if you are most for
Speaker 1: Alfree Woodard. Have you seen Passion Fish? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you've got to see Passion Fish. That's like, that's like
Speaker 1: classic with Mary McDonald. It's, oh my god, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: She's the Oh and there's an amazing monologue. I didn't
Speaker 1: ask for the anal probe. Oh well, there's an amazing
Speaker 1: monologue by your girl. You don't even see the you
Speaker 1: gotta watch this, Okay, great, you will lose your mind.
Speaker 1: It was like it was the indie the nineties. Everyone's
Speaker 1: like Ward is amazing. Do you know the movie at
Speaker 1: Heart and Souls? Oh yeah, sure, the musical Touches My Heart?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love that. Okay, So now it's okay,
Speaker 1: mind's mind's I mean, here we go. I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not even gonna right around. You know, this
Speaker 1: is Drew. I don't think so, honey. Okay, time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. And I'm not saying this
Speaker 1: as some two thousand seven YouTube has been I I
Speaker 1: used to be in things that matter. I've sat three
Speaker 1: lines on New Girl. I'm the hot shit I do
Speaker 1: shows in the basement of a Mexican restaurant in l A.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm this playing, but I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Don't expect me to always remember you every fucking inch
Speaker 1: of the day and every world. You know, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: when you go out. And I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: saying this as a human being. I don't expect anyone
Speaker 1: to remember me when I go out, So it's like
Speaker 1: it is a thing. When you were coming up and
Speaker 1: if you and if I reintroduced myself, give me your
Speaker 1: goddamn name, don't tell me we've met, have we have?
Speaker 1: We be more interesting. Here's a choice, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: do something because now I'll remember you, bitch, Now I'll
Speaker 1: remember you from now on. We have met. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think, so honey, all right, goodbye, goodbye,
Speaker 1: seven minutes, seven seconds of spare it does that matter?
Speaker 1: You know what? The point has been made. Bitch's so
Speaker 1: irritated by that when people and it's like we're out
Speaker 1: and you're like, here's the thing. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: saying it from a place of like I'm so important.
Speaker 1: We are all every one of us is on online,
Speaker 1: we're all on TV, we're all on we're on media media,
Speaker 1: all of us, every single and I'm saying everyone listening
Speaker 1: to this, we're all on things. You see pictures of
Speaker 1: people on dating apps and on Facebook and you know,
Speaker 1: Instagram whatever, so we see each other at all different
Speaker 1: times and spaces, and and also you don't know you're
Speaker 1: you know, and we cannot be our brains are not
Speaker 1: remember and so when they imply that you're being a
Speaker 1: bad person. Because another thing too, like there are times
Speaker 1: that I will remember meeting somebody and I'm like, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna remember me, so I'll re introduce myself they
Speaker 1: and they make it weird. I'm like, you know what
Speaker 1: that's on you. I'm just let's just over. Honestly, you
Speaker 1: were right too, because you don't forget and forever those
Speaker 1: people that do that to me that are like we've met, actually,
Speaker 1: I will never forget that, And now you don't want
Speaker 1: me to remember you in this way because now you've
Speaker 1: switched over. There's a couple of people I deal with
Speaker 1: now more than I was before, and they acted like that,
Speaker 1: and I'll never can I make the argument that there
Speaker 1: is a nice way to do that though, because absolutely
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hi, I'm actually I think we've met
Speaker 1: before that I think different. It's it's there's such a
Speaker 1: different thing when you can say, you know, we met
Speaker 1: it so and so, so and so and at the
Speaker 1: party and you know, and and they're like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: so nice to see you again, even if you don't remember.
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's like it's such a dance every
Speaker 1: time you leave the house. Can you even get it
Speaker 1: all together to leave the house? You know, So you're
Speaker 1: going out, you're seeing people and you're just like you know,
Speaker 1: but when they say we've met, and they imply that
Speaker 1: like you're too good. Yeah whatever, and it's just a
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, I, I guess I'm in trouble. Also,
Speaker 1: like what do you want for me right now? Do
Speaker 1: you want to shame me from that? What? I think
Speaker 1: they do want to And there's a they might and
Speaker 1: it's like that's on them. But it's like I don't
Speaker 1: feel bad. The takeaway is it doesn't it doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: my feelings when it happens. But you did not make
Speaker 1: me feel bad. You just were an asshole to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's you know, it's like I didn't go, oh man,
Speaker 1: I need to remember show and show. It's like no,
Speaker 1: so and so sucks, So now I remember, you know
Speaker 1: and so. On the set of Tommy Doos short film
Speaker 1: Mask Only, which is which is so Great? Which which directed?
Speaker 1: On the set, I went up to Drew Hi. It's
Speaker 1: we were reintroduced, and I think I even just I
Speaker 1: hope I didn't know what my memory when I knew
Speaker 1: who you were too. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I remember the US the the USC thing, but I
Speaker 1: knew you. But but I went up to you and
Speaker 1: I was like, and actually I think I like my
Speaker 1: friend Billy, and I took a workshop of yours at
Speaker 1: USC years ago, so it's nice to see you again.
Speaker 1: I don't but like, that's put myself up as an
Speaker 1: ex did a really good job, and that was really good,
Speaker 1: I don't think. So there you go, trying to gain favor.
Speaker 1: The thing is too, it's nice to remind people how
Speaker 1: you met because then it's like, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: weird if you don't sometimes and sometimes it's something in common,
Speaker 1: but like, don't go out of your way to make
Speaker 1: a moment awkward for someone. There. That's just the point.
Speaker 1: There's no in the brain for us to keep up
Speaker 1: with all these fucking names. We've only evolved to know
Speaker 1: like thirty max names at a given time because of
Speaker 1: tribal whatever, that's culture. We've only evolved to that point.
Speaker 1: There you go, and you know, and we're we got
Speaker 1: Jane triple Horne. We've got too many names to memorize.
Speaker 1: In the names, what's the name we need to remember
Speaker 1: that Mercedes Well won an Academy award Tuesday, Weld come on,
Speaker 1: there we go. We've learned so many things this episode unbelievable. Drew,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for happy coming and having me
Speaker 1: on the show. Truly, anytime, please come, anytime you want
Speaker 1: to come, absolutely and tell the kids where they can
Speaker 1: see it, so you can go on Bright Colors and
Speaker 1: Bold Patterns dot com and all the info is there. Um.
Speaker 1: It's also we have tickets on like Today ticks and
Speaker 1: all that stuff as well. But it's at the Soho Playhouse.
Speaker 1: We opened November twelve and we're running through January seven.
Speaker 1: So come check us out over the holidays and bring
Speaker 1: mom in for Christmas Day, honey, Yes, bring mama Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: And have your mom go up to Drew after the
Speaker 1: show and just say we've met, say we've met, and
Speaker 1: then wind about all the gay couples that she knows
Speaker 1: that the gay married couples. Oh my god, this has
Speaker 1: been lost culture us to us with Drew d I'm
Speaker 1: Bowen and I'm Matt Rodgers and this has been wonderful. Guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Let's let's end with a song,
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