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Speaker 1: Hi guys. We're here to tell you about our third

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Speaker 1: installment in New York of our I Don't Think So

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Speaker 1: Honey Live show again. It's fifty Canadians and performers taking

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Speaker 1: one minute each to go off on culture. It's November

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Speaker 1: eighteenth at ten pm at the Bellhouse, part of the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Podcast Best of All. Yes, we have amazing, amazing

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Speaker 1: people doing the show. We have Francesco Ramsey, Jill Kim Booster,

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Speaker 1: Akila Hughes, Survivor, Zeke Smith, Sarah Tolamash and much much more.

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Speaker 1: You have to buy tickets to the show. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an amazing gag. It's November eight ten pm. It's

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Speaker 1: a Saturday night as part of Brooklyn Podcast Festival at

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Speaker 1: the Bellhouse. Bit come on, Bellhouse. The game is already

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Speaker 1: a foot in here because we're already talking culture. And

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Speaker 1: I was nervous, you know, not to use an old

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Speaker 1: wives expression, blow our load a little bit too early

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Speaker 1: bow as the old wives say. The old wives have

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Speaker 1: been saying it since the Middle Ages. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we just got off oh no pun there to the

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Speaker 1: thought of being on a plane and watching certain films

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Speaker 1: and you're saying that you this blows my mind. You're

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Speaker 1: saying you would get emotional while watching my best friend's

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Speaker 1: wedding during the scene where Cameron Diaz does karaoke. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because what an emotionally fraught scene. The arc of that

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Speaker 1: scene is insane, Like she's she's petrified to sing in

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Speaker 1: front of the sum of strangers, and then she does it,

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Speaker 1: and then she's triumphant. Like I get that. It's a

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Speaker 1: hardship narrative, you said. I mean, you were like, it's

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Speaker 1: topography of that that's beautiful. I never thought of it

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Speaker 1: as emotional. But you know what, and you know, no

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Speaker 1: one else I never thought of I never thought to

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Speaker 1: ask about what hot engineer Will's last name was, and

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Speaker 1: then today I found out this gentleman's name is Will Smith.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't really want to get into his name

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Speaker 1: is Will Smith. I think he's gotten this his whole life.

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Speaker 1: I don't think, but I don't think that's enough. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we need to really go into this. I mean, fine, bitch,

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Speaker 1: his name is Will Smith. He happens to have the

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Speaker 1: are you? So Will Smith was not it wasn't unknown things.

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Speaker 1: He was definitely known, unaware. Okay, okay, but okay, And

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Speaker 1: I did think about this. No, no desire, and I respect,

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Speaker 1: I would respect this if you had no desire to

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Speaker 1: change um the shortened name to Bill or Willie. In

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Speaker 1: my family. It's a family, you know what though, if

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Speaker 1: if my last name was Heaton, you would I would

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Speaker 1: definitely Patricia my daughter, some of them you need to

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Speaker 1: go along with will Smith. That's just too big. But

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Speaker 1: if your last name is Parker and you don't have

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Speaker 1: a daughter name is Harriah Jessica Parker, you don't get

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Speaker 1: the assignment. Sure, sure you don't get the assignment, which

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Speaker 1: is to name your children after it's prevaring clearly alright,

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Speaker 1: So listen, I kind of guess for me, I don't

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Speaker 1: know about I think this is I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: really um, I don't know, this is so, this is

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Speaker 1: so um, what's the word I'm looking for? Toying? Cloying

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Speaker 1: for me to say, But like you know, you and

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Speaker 1: I've have loved this person for so many years you

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Speaker 1: went to go see our guests do like a character

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Speaker 1: workshop in college. It was this was at USC at

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Speaker 1: the Fracas Teach a comedy festival. Billy Domino, former guests

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Speaker 1: take this character workshop class. And then the entire time,

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Speaker 1: that still holds true. Um, oh god, he's amazing. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about what. Okay, So he is the host of

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Speaker 1: his own podcast, Minor Revelations, um, and how he is

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Speaker 1: uh going to start his run at the Soho Playhouse

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Speaker 1: of his amazing, amazing show Bright Colors and Bold Patterns.

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Speaker 1: I saw this three years ago at Ours Nova and

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Speaker 1: that I would say the children have to know they

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Speaker 1: correctly not and those videos, honey. He plays with language

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Speaker 1: There you go, that's welcome our guest. Hi. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun to just sit here and just hear

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Speaker 1: What a fun little um what what do you what

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Speaker 1: would you call that hygetic of podcast? No, that's not

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Speaker 1: the right word. Just it's a beautiful moment in every

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Speaker 1: podcast when the guests can just hear themselves credited. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's both it's horrible. Yeah it's here, and I

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean, sometimes it's unbelievable when they have

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Speaker 1: if I was playing Chandler on Friends, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like you love them as this, as this, but

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Speaker 1: it's like I do so many weird offshoot, insane rag

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Speaker 1: hern in a compliment. There no okay, And these are

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Speaker 1: just some small little granules of other credits that I

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Speaker 1: But there's nothing dirty about it. There's not there's nothing um, jokey,

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Speaker 1: now there's also there's also a thing where you know,

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Speaker 1: But that's a thing that I think speaks to like

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Speaker 1: an emotional intelligence that a lot of boys don't have.

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Speaker 1: Weights And speaking of just being emotionally in touch, Drew

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Speaker 1: just know and because of how, because of what happened

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Speaker 1: like you just what did you just you just came

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Speaker 1: in what you just saw play? Yes, I just saw

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Speaker 1: Michael Jury's play Torch Song, well, Harvey Fierstein's play Storge Song,

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Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. Yeah, Mercedes Rule was, oh my best actress

425
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Speaker 1: to bring her back. I think Mercedes Rule was best supporting.

426
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Speaker 1: I think she was lead. She was positive, but then

427
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Speaker 1: look it up, so supporting when it been somebody like,

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Speaker 1: oh boy, the fact that we even got here without

429
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Speaker 1: our smartphones. We have talked about sometimes like how that

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Speaker 1: can become Well, actually, let's talk about the oscars because

431
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Speaker 1: this year is going to be a big fucking change

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Speaker 1: for the Oscars because wine is yes. And I was

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Speaker 1: reading something about the Oscars today, well, while we get

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Speaker 1: this answer, I was reading that this is could be

435
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Speaker 1: the year where all logic in terms of what we

436
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: thought about the Oscars could be thrown out because people

437
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: are done, like Get Out could very well get nominated

438
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Speaker 1: in what I hope it does. It's one of my

439
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Speaker 1: favorite movies of the year. I thought it was brilliant

440
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Speaker 1: and I I saw it two days in a row,

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Speaker 1: and it was just by chance that I was with

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Speaker 1: friends and who were going again. I was like, I

443
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Speaker 1: loved it so much. I was saying, watch it again,

444
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Speaker 1: and the second time it really holds up. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's one of those movies it's like so fun the

446
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Speaker 1: first time through, but then you're like knowing what's going

447
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Speaker 1: on the whole time. It's so it's it's funny, it's

448
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: terrifying with brilliant performances. It's a crack smart script. It's

449
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Speaker 1: one of the best movies of the year. I would

450
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Speaker 1: love for it. I would love for it to get

451
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Speaker 1: nominations and and when why not? You know what what

452
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: would be a real gag was if they're not going

453
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Speaker 1: to give the best picture because they still have their

454
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: hangups about that whatever, like their genre hang ups or Honestly,

455
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Speaker 1: the racism in the Academy is like a very real

456
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: thing just because their majority white. Like they also the industry,

457
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Speaker 1: like there's very few films that know, it's like they

458
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Speaker 1: have very few that they actually see. The problem too

459
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: is it's a lot of old white people who don't

460
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Speaker 1: see things. They don't They don't see movies on Netflix

461
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Speaker 1: right right right, like Beasts of No Nation whatever, that

462
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Speaker 1: brilliant performance and they didn't they just didn't watch it.

463
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Speaker 1: I you know, I think there's also their factors like that.

464
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're overtly racist as much as just

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Speaker 1: they're limited and what they get access to, and when

466
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Speaker 1: they have so much, they're going to pick the stuff

467
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Speaker 1: that appeals and there, and they have so much old

468
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Speaker 1: white man stuffed in front of them exactly. And so

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Speaker 1: that's why I feel like change all that exactly. And

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Speaker 1: you see every year the Academy, like the invitations they

471
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Speaker 1: sent out getting more diverse. I think like if they

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Speaker 1: were to just if Jordan Peel were to win Best Director,

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Speaker 1: that would or even be nominated and Greta Girlwig Ladybird, like,

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Speaker 1: come on, acknowledge and you said it was fucking amazing

475
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Speaker 1: twice And I'm not like I love Greta. I didn't

476
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Speaker 1: love Mistress America but that was Noah bom Bach. But

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Speaker 1: um god, Ladybird fucking destroyed me. Um okay, who won

478
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Speaker 1: Supporting Actress. And this is like, this is you're gonna

479
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, of course, and you know we're gonna

480
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Speaker 1: have our thoughts. Oh my gosh, Marissa, Yeah, okay, she's brilliant.

481
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Speaker 1: She's brilliant. She's gotten so much flak for that Oscar,

482
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Speaker 1: and I will say she deserves it. She's a genius.

483
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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I thought she was incredible in the movie

484
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Speaker 1: and also given the you know, idiot asked Faye Donaway

485
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Speaker 1: this year when she said La La Land. You know

486
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Speaker 1: that Jack Palence didn't mess up because for years they

487
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Speaker 1: were saying Jack Palance was old and crazy and he

488
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Speaker 1: read the wrong way. You know, if you read the

489
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Speaker 1: wrong name, and they would have corrected her, they would

490
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Speaker 1: have said something. She won the award full out. She

491
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Speaker 1: was wonderful and and she has proven herself time and

492
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Speaker 1: time again. I mean in the Bedroom before the Devil

493
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Speaker 1: Knows You're dead. Yes, the wrestler voted for her. Yes,

494
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Speaker 1: I would have voted for her, honestly. And it was

495
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: Penelope Cruz that one. That and but I'm but I

496
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I will totally. It's I will support her,

497
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Speaker 1: will support for me. It's a it's about Marissa ways now. Um.

498
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Speaker 1: There was also some some conversation about for Best Actress.

499
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Speaker 1: They were saying, like, you know, like everyone was very

500
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Speaker 1: gung ho about Kate Winslet there for a while for

501
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: this new Woody Allen movie, and now you just hear

502
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Speaker 1: people stop talking about it because and this sucks so

503
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: much when it is that when it's you're just the

504
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Speaker 1: actor in the equation, you're giving the performance and you're

505
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Speaker 1: Kate Winslet, and you're like, you know, I also believe

506
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Speaker 1: she probably doesn't care about getting it. She has an

507
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Speaker 1: off star. She's amazing. I don't know anyone who says

508
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Speaker 1: Kate or you know or whatever. I mean. I think

509
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Speaker 1: she's she's thoroughly earned. She's thirdly, she's thoroughly lauded, and

510
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Speaker 1: she's been not you know. Yeah, I'm just saying like

511
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Speaker 1: in terms of like things might change it's like even

512
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Speaker 1: the Woody Allen factor. It's like you just see like

513
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Speaker 1: the pundits like stop talking about that, you know now

514
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Speaker 1: they they're saying, this could be the year where it's

515
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Speaker 1: like you see a thriller nominated again for Best Picture.

516
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Speaker 1: You see a movie perhaps too. I don't understand why

517
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: we have such double standards because to me, the woman

518
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Speaker 1: who was the mom and the Baba Duke gave the

519
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: one of the best performances of the year last year

520
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: or two versions. When that came out, I was like,

521
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: that deserves the nomination, Like we give people these awards

522
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: for these sweeping period piece you wore a wig and

523
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: you know what, you wore a nose or and I

524
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: mean again, I'm not even saying that. I mean I

525
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Speaker 1: love her and performance, but I'm just saying, like, why

526
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Speaker 1: are thrillers or comedies considered less valid? I think you

527
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: know that it all should be. And the interesting thing

528
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: is they didn't always. That wasn't always the case, Like

529
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Speaker 1: if you look back in the seventies, you got um.

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Speaker 1: I mean even even like that's a great example, right,

531
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: I mean like there's always small exceptions. It seems like

532
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 1: the general rule is though there's those categories and if

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Speaker 1: you kind of play this part, like for example, if

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Speaker 1: you were playing port of wife and the film is good,

535
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: your chances and best Supporting Actress look very good, right, right,

536
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: But there was Ellen Burston in the seventies was nominated

537
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Speaker 1: for playing the mother of Reagan and for actress. Both

538
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Kim Carry Piper Laurie and SUSY's Basic were nominated as well.

539
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah they did it seemed and also Robert

540
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: Robert Shawford just know she haster Yeah, okay, now screaming

541
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Speaker 1: she did coal miners daughter. It's such a thing that

542
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Speaker 1: we have us case isn't knowledge of and women. It's

543
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: about women and their awards. Well, I don't care about

544
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: I don't care about the men with the words they

545
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: were were like the women in there give him a statue,

546
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah they I want to stand there, to stand and

547
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: hold it high. I love it, but I love it.

548
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: Prior guest Friends of the show, John Early Cole School.

549
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: I did an interview for never heard of them, garbage

550
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: bags sacks, both of them. They didn't review and in

551
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: cake Boy magazine, which is like a Brooklyn queer perfect

552
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: talking about like why like why women like why is

553
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: it exclusively women? Should we feel bad that it's we're

554
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: only scrutinizing women, But it's like no, It's like, but

555
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna ask any of us about who our

556
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: favorite male actors are, we're just gonna be like, I

557
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: don't know fucking Nicolas Cage exactly. I don't even know what.

558
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it's important though, that we start the

559
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: conversation um as gay men about about gay men. I

560
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: know that sense really self involved in naval Gate and

561
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: to be like we needed more, but we don't lift

562
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Speaker 1: each other up like we lift I mean, you're right,

563
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: thank god, we lift women up because you know, straight

564
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: male cultures had to learn from us, like, hey, be

565
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: nice to women, but celebrate them. But I had this

566
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: moment earlier this year at an Adam Lambert concert. I

567
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: saw him um as the you know, lead singer of Queen.

568
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: He's touring with Queen. It was one of the most

569
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Speaker 1: incredible things that ever see brilliant, and I was like,

570
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: you know what pisces me off is that in our culture,

571
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Speaker 1: we pick a gay bar and if some fair to

572
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Speaker 1: middling you know c W straight star walked into a

573
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Speaker 1: gay bar, we would be losing our minds. Oh my god,

574
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so and so he was on

575
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Speaker 1: three episodes of you know, fill in the blank. If

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Speaker 1: Adam Lambert walked in, our reaction would be like this

577
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: bit and we should be laying down the red carpet

578
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: for for you know. And I just think that that's

579
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Speaker 1: something that we're not there yet. We have a weirdness

580
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Speaker 1: about accepting among our own royalty. I mean, and again,

581
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: like just celebrate what what the gay men are doing.

582
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Actually know, I was just going to mention um, even

583
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: with the announcement of boys in the band, you saw

584
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of this and you saw a little

585
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Speaker 1: bit and you know, to be honest with you, I

586
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: guess maybe like my instinct a little bit was to

587
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: be like those four again because but they're incredibly talented.

588
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: They're going to do a great fucking drive that you

589
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: know what's fucking brilliant. They could put four gay men

590
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: in that cast and they're all stars and they're all

591
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. And that means something because you know

592
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: what five years ago, maybe even two years ago, you

593
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: know half that cast is straight. Absolutely, how do you

594
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: have these people who have all deserved it, who have

595
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: all worked their ass off. Who are who are going

596
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: to kill it? I mean, I think every one of

597
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: us is a little bit like why not me? But

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00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're honestly some of the greatest. I

599
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: mean I saw that lineup and I was like, they

600
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: are Also we're also lucky to get to watch them

601
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: are I mean I've I've been blown away by all

602
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: of them in different ways. And I just and and

603
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: and yes, we're telling our stories and we're in front

604
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: of people, and and you absolutely we have to acknowledge

605
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: that moment. But you're right, we didn't even take a

606
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: moment to say, look and all gay cast outcast of

607
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: stars in a huge Broadway show. We immediately go into

608
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: these bitches. Of course, of course it's you know, opportunities

609
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: for more and there needs to be you know, and

610
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's happening, but yeah, I won happened a

611
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: couple of things I wonder well, one like, yeah, I

612
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: had that same reaction to boys in the band, um,

613
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like this just means only good things

614
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: for other things, because right now it's like call me

615
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: about your name is going to come out, and it's

616
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: like okay, cool. But also both of these actors are

617
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: straight again, um, and so hopefully that'll like ripple out

618
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: into these other industries. But and the second thing is,

619
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Speaker 1: I think, I don't know, this might seem this might

620
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: not be a fair thing to say, But is part

621
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Speaker 1: of that like instinct to be like that bitch? Like

622
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Speaker 1: is it? Is it linked to it all with what

623
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Drew sort of just said just now where And I

624
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: feel this way too, where it's like why not me?

625
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I feel like that's part of it, right, It might

626
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Speaker 1: be and it might be. Uh. I always I feel

627
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: so I have such a weird relationship with the familiarity

628
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: in our community because part of me loves it. Part

629
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: of me loves that I can go into a gay

630
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: bar and if people know who I am and what

631
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: I do, I'm approachable. If they tell me they like

632
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: what I do, it makes my night. It's like so great.

633
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I love it and I love that Like I'm here.

634
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Speaker 1: I got here yesterday and I went to Julius and

635
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: somebody came up and was like, I like your podcast,

636
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Speaker 1: and we talked for a minute and it was like

637
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: immediately I was like, you know, um, and if you

638
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: know I feel like I I that is that is

639
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: I always want to be able to have that and

640
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: that that relationship and I love that, and I feel like, if, um,

641
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if I was like a movie

642
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: star or something, somebody might look across the room and go, oh,

643
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: I can't go talk to him, he's too big of

644
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: a you know whatever. But I do think that with

645
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: that comes the next person to come up and immediately

646
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: go into the it's kind of bitchy familiarity that I'm like, oh,

647
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you haven't earned that, you know, and I and it's

648
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for that, but it's it

649
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: always Sometimes I can get my feelings hurt by a

650
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: stranger who was genuinely trying to compliment me. But also,

651
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I play a lot of horrible asshole characters,

652
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: and so I think people think like, oh, I'm gonna

653
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: come up and just say the bitchiest thing and you'll

654
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: find it hilarious. And I'm like, no, I'll just start

655
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: sobbing that's that's me. But or I'll just get weird

656
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: and have to shut down and start talking too much

657
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: and run away. But um, so I know it's like

658
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: a thing where we are very Yeah, I think we

659
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: feel very close to it. And also like every gay

660
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: person is invited to every gay thing, like just at

661
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: parties and we so we see each other. You know,

662
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: it's not it's not you know, weird to see famous

663
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: gay people at you know, out at bars and at parties,

664
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: and because we're all like in the world together, so

665
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: you do feel a little bit like, oh, I know

666
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: this bitch. So some of that's not terrible total. I

667
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: just think it's like and again, I would never uh,

668
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: you know what I was saying earlier about like you know,

669
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: like someone walking in and be like, don't ever go

670
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: up and talk to them. It's like, yeah, it's it's

671
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: wonderful when people come up and say something nice and support.

672
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: But I do think there is still part of us

673
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: where we think, you know, we think there's a glass ceiling,

674
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: and we think we have our we you know, I

675
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: have I, we have our gay thing, and then our

676
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: goal is to ultimately be with the straits. Our goal

677
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: is ultimately to be accepted by straight culture and straight

678
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: culture at least the straight people that I know and

679
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: care about love us and don't care and don't and

680
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: all look at us that way. They don't categorize us

681
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: that way. We categorize us that way. And I think

682
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: that's something that's very important for us to not look

683
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: at straight people and say, oh, you're because yeah, they're

684
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: always going to be horrible, homophobic people. But who we

685
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 1: don't know those we don't hang out with those people.

686
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Are straight friends are like the first

687
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: ones to like embrace and include and accept who we are,

688
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: what we're about, and not categorize us as their gay friend,

689
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: just like we're taught like, don't talk about your black friend,

690
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's this, it's they're taught in

691
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: the same sort of vernacular, like see them as a person.

692
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: But sometimes in our own culture we see we kind

693
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: of we bottle each other up because you feel entitled

694
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: to that attack, you know what I mean, Like if

695
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: they they're part of me, so I can judge them, honey,

696
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Like I know where they come from, and so I'm

697
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: going to read them to filth. And there's and and

698
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: it's really what it is is you feel that there's

699
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: only so many spots. It's that there's some element of

700
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: I'll say, just because from firsthand experience, I'll say, some

701
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: element of self loathing, some element of well, there's this

702
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: shared experience that we start off at anyway, and that

703
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: I can sort of I've earned the right when you

704
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: haven't to write right because you know you're so wow,

705
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: you've really touched on something. I feel like gay gay

706
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: culture hasn't really recalibrated to this like socialization. It's like, yeah,

707
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: like okay, so Joel and I'm our friend. My friend

708
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: Joel and I just did a show in Philly. I

709
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: just came back today and you know, we were at

710
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: the the bars last night. It was really fun. Philly

711
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: has a very nice, what I'll say with no pejorative

712
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: at all, unpretentious gay night life, so welcoming, so fun,

713
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: so nice for everybody. Um, but people come and people

714
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: came to the show, and then we ran into some

715
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: people afterwards at the bars and they would come up

716
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: and be like, um, or even just tweet at us

717
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: things like are you do you to fuck each other?

718
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Or is that like like just they would just say

719
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: these really offhand things, and I'm like, and I think,

720
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's in that same neighborhood of

721
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: like people, because because you're I don't know, because they're like,

722
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: do you guys fuck each other? Because that would be

723
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: like my master, Like that would be my masturbation fantasy

724
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: for sure. Like just you're like what right? I mean yeah,

725
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean problematic on a lot of levels, but just

726
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: like like you also like two comedians I know and

727
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: love and right right, all this weird? How straight? It's like,

728
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: what a weird thing to just sort of lead with,

729
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: and then you know it's you. You sort of have

730
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, I don't know, like one great

731
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: that you've feel familiar enough with us too, not great,

732
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: but like you feel familiar r enough enough with us

733
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: to say that thing. And then on the other side

734
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: of that, it's like, oh, but how inappropriate, Like you

735
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: haven't earned that. I mean, no one ever does. They

736
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: don't obviously don't know how to communicate. So it's like

737
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit of a toxic thing. But

738
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: I think like it is a little bit of both.

739
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: It's I'm jealous and I don't know how to deal

740
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: with that, and also also I feel super familiar with

741
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: you just because we have this thing in common and

742
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't have that with a lot of people maybe,

743
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: and so I think you're going to get it. And specifically,

744
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I also think and you touched on this a little

745
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: bit as well. But with that cast, there's a little

746
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: bit of like a beauty standard, right, which we don't

747
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: talk about a lot, which because you don't get there

748
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: because the first thing you say is like, well, there's

749
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: not enough gaze obviously or of course them. But then

750
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: when you start looking at the cast, and you know

751
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: people have called Ryan Murphy ott on this a little bit,

752
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: he certainly has like a type that you hoist to

753
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: the front. And so you look at that cast and

754
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: you're like, oh god, like that's the bar and it

755
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: can feel very far away. But again that's just us

756
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: getting just like I think the thing for us all

757
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: to keep in mind is this is only going to

758
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: open doors for It's only going to bring first of all,

759
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: millions of people to see this story that they didn't

760
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: know before, and it's going to inspire smaller productions of

761
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: this play around the way, you know, and then it's

762
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: gonna open up other opportunities for completely different shows, completely

763
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: different films, pieces work. It's just it's just an added

764
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: it's just adding. It's not detracting, and so and it

765
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: doesn't mean because you're not in the Boys in the

766
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: Band with Ryan Murphy that you don't matter, and yeah,

767
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: exactly that that was your time, that was your chance.

768
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: But I do think we all have there was a

769
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: part of you know, even to be totally honest to admit,

770
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: when I saw that, I was like, oh man, I

771
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: want to be there with you know, and you're like

772
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: that makes no sense to like relax, like because I

773
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: am ultimately so thrilled and so happy. But I think

774
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: we all have that collective feeling. And I'm just speaking totally.

775
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, ultimately, it's like it was, it's

776
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful thing. And it's because it's like, no,

777
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: this just means that they're making it possible for you

778
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: to have a voice as well. You know, they're finding

779
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: a place at the table for you as well. You know,

780
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: and you're you're, you're you're already so close to that table,

781
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: and you're at this other great table, like equally great

782
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: table um and the table of nineteen, the table you're at,

783
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: especially if Junior Squid is at that table, Oh my god,

784
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: I tapped in, tapped in my mom fucking love table

785
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: nineteen and she saw on the plane of course, we

786
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: have to take a quick break back we're gonna talk

787
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: about bright colors and bullet patterns, of course, the Chloe

788
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: videos and so much more. Stupid bitch. Alright, bye, hold on,

789
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Oh Matt, I'm so excited for

790
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: our next I don't think so, honey, Line, I'm very

791
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: exciting to basics, back to basics. I mean, we've just

792
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: been through the cult war, which really has us, you know,

793
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: battered and bruised, but we are ready to bring back

794
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: the love that'st the cathartic moment that is, I don't

795
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And this cast, oh my god, oh

796
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: my god. We've been trying to get some of them

797
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: for a while. Yes, and can you believe after three shows,

798
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: even after two shows, the star power is still strong

799
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: and not for nothing. But these are going to be

800
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: fifty people that have never done the live show before.

801
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: So if you thought we only knew a hundred people, bitch, no,

802
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: there's fifty more in our little black book. That's right.

803
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: We sucked them all. Um. We got Jill Kim Booster hottie, hottie.

804
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: We've got Francesca Rampy, We've got Sarah tolimas you've seen

805
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: around Colbert hottie. Oh my god, Mike Calton fucking hottie.

806
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: What a hot Oh my god, Brandon Scott Jones like

807
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: fucking hotty, Oh my god, so hot. We had to

808
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: Kila Hughes. Oh my god, I'm tripping. Le's so hot. God,

809
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: everyone's so fucking hot. Oh. It's part of Brooklyn Podcast Festival.

810
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna I'm wet for the Bell House.

811
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna be at the Bellhouse. This is the first

812
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: at the first show at the Bellhouse. I mean, we've

813
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: our home has been Little Phil ready to you know,

814
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: pack the capacity at the Bellhouse. People. This is gonna

815
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: be so freaking exciting. I'm actually so excited. We've never

816
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: hosted a show here. We're so glad. It's gonna be great.

817
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: It's part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. Ten pm, Saturday,

818
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: November eight, ten pm. This is gonna be so so fun.

819
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna if you missed the show, feel feel and

820
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: feel insane. You'll you'll be at home with the Fomo

821
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: of a Homo homo. And if you com guaranteed you

822
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: are going to be to us hottiet Okay, oh my god,

823
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: we're back Withdrew um, amazing first half. Let's get into

824
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: his um show his Can we call it a play? Well?

825
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: I mean please, I mean I loved it. That's the

826
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: title of another play. Let's call it a play that

827
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: sounds like an old coward, like we can't come up

828
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: with it, and we have a couple of ideas, let's

829
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: call them. I was in a horrible like reading him

830
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: a play like years ago, and they were like came

831
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: to like a list of titles and they were all

832
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: like that. It was like the boy can't stand it,

833
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: and it was just like it was just all these

834
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: horrible It's like, um, let's do pussy Cat and all

835
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: about Eve, like the plays that he Davis, like Aged

836
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: in Wood and the like I want to go see

837
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: a like on Aged and would thank you. And it's

838
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: like bringing on the Stars and just one of these titles.

839
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: You're just like, this means absolutely nothing. I feel we

840
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: continue any further. I have to ask for your feedback

841
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: on feud. I really feel you you watched did you watch?

842
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Features the thing? I love that it existed. I'm not

843
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: even being political. I'm so glad that something not the

844
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: mommy dearest perception of Joan absolutely Crawford. Why can't I

845
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: come with her name out of the because that was

846
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: just a bold faced lie. I mean, Mommy Dares is

847
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: a drag show in its kabuki theater. It's insanity. It's

848
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: insanity and it is not And it's like, I can't

849
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: believe that Joan Crawford was a was a warm tender,

850
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, lovely woman. She was not

851
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: Diane West. Okay, no one is. There's only one, and

852
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: that's Diane. But but she she was a tough woman

853
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: who was in a tough business and should climb, talk

854
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: about it clean, talk about clean all that's John Crawford.

855
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: So I love the show really humanized her, and I

856
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: thought that, and I thought Jessica did an amazing job

857
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: of humanizing her and not really doing an impression of her. Um.

858
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: I thought Susan Surrandon looked exactly like Betty Davis but

859
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: had zero fire and zero music. I'll say it also

860
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: given you know in the world, you know Ada Dicks,

861
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: who was then sorry by but like, but I was

862
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: so upset by her Betty Davis, because I was like,

863
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: that is the easiest thing to do, and I know

864
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: you don't want to do a drag performance, but it

865
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: was like, you're not even trying anything. She really went

866
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: like SI there and it was if that and it

867
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: is kind of tired. I don't want to be here.

868
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Bettie Davis was never tired. Betty Davis

869
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: is dead and and still away like she's still chewing

870
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: at the at the earth around her. Bettie Davis is

871
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: so vital and to play her like that and I

872
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: just felt like, um, I was just the whole time,

873
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: I was like watching her look like that. And then

874
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: they re enacted scenes from Baby Jane that weren't like that.

875
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: I was like, we know the movie, so at least

876
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: at least do them when they were like on camera

877
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: actually screaming. And I also just think, like the reason why,

878
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: I know, you want to bring people, make people real

879
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: and humanize them, but a star as a star, especially

880
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: from that era, and they were over the top. That

881
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: was their reality, that was their truth. So to have

882
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: them like that, I was just so I was frustrated

883
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: with it. That's a great answer. However, I watched the

884
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: whole thing and I totally would watch another one. I

885
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: love what he does and thank God for making that. Yes,

886
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: I will say I really enjoyed Susan strended in the

887
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: quieter moments, like like in the final episode, in the

888
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: behind the scenes quote unquote moments where you you didn't

889
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: have Betty performing as Betty, because I agree it didn't

890
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: match the reality of her. Um. I thought she she

891
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: acted the scenes well opposite Jessica when they were getting real,

892
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I also don't think she

893
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: was even too much like her. I think she had

894
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: the Oscars episode where she really had a lot to do,

895
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: but then the rest of it was kind of like

896
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: very much the Jessica show. Um. But it was funny

897
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: because the big moments that were supposed to be these

898
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: like incomparable Betty moments, like when she walks onto the

899
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: set for the first time in character as baby Jane.

900
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: I was like, that was supposed to feel bigger than Yeah,

901
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: you can feel the direction doing something for Susan the

902
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: scenes with Kiernan Ship, I felt like, we're just like,

903
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: what's your verdict on Karenan Ship She's fine, I'm saying no,

904
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying Susan sur Ran in acting opposite Keienan know,

905
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm asking what are your thoughts on Kierenan.

906
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: Do we have to have thoughts on karenan ship? I

907
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: think I think we do. And you know what else,

908
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: because they fucking won't stop shoving Millie Bobby Brown down

909
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: our thread. She's god damn ubiquitous. I'm gonna save that

910
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: for the end of the um. No, I agree with you.

911
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a great assessment. And you and Aaron

912
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: Jackson Jr. Aaron, he's a great New York comedian here.

913
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: Why do I know it's I feel like he's on

914
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: the opposition the Okay, he's a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful person.

915
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: You he's another scholar of batty. You guys should have

916
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: about that totally. Okay, Sorry, my show, I got off

917
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: track and I'm like to talk about my show. It's

918
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: so good. Thank you, honey, thank you. And it's it's

919
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: a it's a it's definitely more of a play than

920
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: when you if you saw that ours Nova who was

921
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: in it's more of a cabaret form and now it's

922
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: it's a play. It's um It's set on the night

923
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: before a gay wedding in Palm Springs. I'm playing a

924
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: character who's going through it in Gary Gary Um, and

925
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: he's going through a real crisis the night before his

926
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: one of his one of the grooms is one of

927
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: his best friends from college. He's marrying somebody that he

928
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really approve of, and he's going to basically party

929
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: and hold court and rereak havoc and ruin things the

930
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: night before the wedding. So I'm I'm talking to um

931
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: pool furniture and chairs as if there are other on

932
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: stage with me, and just god, it's I don't know,

933
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: and this is just a very like superficial assessment. But

934
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: like the way and this is even back in ours

935
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: move and that's why. And forgive me for like questioning

936
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: this like the existence existential if I should call it

937
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: a player or whatever, um, because even in that space,

938
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: like you just like just spatially, it just was so

939
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: it was just so caught. I'm having such trouble finding

940
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: the words, but it was just so um so compelling

941
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: for you to watch you it was. It was just

942
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: so good. So it's really fun to do. I believe

943
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: I have other people out there, and my my first

944
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: director on the show when I was when I was

945
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: writing and put it together, Molly prayther In L A

946
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: had me, had me rehearsed with real people, so I

947
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: rehearses that there were real people on stage and that

948
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: that that was unbelievable. And she also really helped with

949
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: the writing. And then in this uh this iteration, Michael

950
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: Jury is directing. I don't know if we mentioned that.

951
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: I think maybe did earlier. Maybe I don't know. Um,

952
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: and uh, just name him as much as we can

953
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: on this episode Michael Hello. Um. And so anyway, he

954
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: has done this amazing job at fleshing it into a

955
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: play into a production and also given me so much

956
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: um advice as someone who's done a lot of solo

957
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: shows himself. And also it's just an incredible director like

958
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: he gave He had a thought about a huge chunk

959
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: of the piece last week when I was doing in

960
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: l A and said try it this way, and had

961
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: a whole different way of trying a whole section. And

962
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: I think it's better that it's ever been. And I

963
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: didn't had to tell him yesterday and I saw what

964
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: I was like, it's working better than ever in this

965
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: one section because you're insight. So he's constantly working on

966
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: it about try this and play it this way, and

967
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: he's just you know, he's incredible and so um. But yeah,

968
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: it's every night's a party and it feels like I'm

969
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: up there with with people, and it feels different every night,

970
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: and it's just me up there, um, you know, getting

971
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: really hammered and just you know, just going going for

972
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: it and swinging, swinging, swinging. By the end of the show,

973
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: a little tipsy. Um. I wish, I wish I could

974
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: some can well. I mean, I I take it as

975
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: a compliment when people think I'm really getting hammered up there,

976
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: But I was like, there's no way. I do have

977
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: a seventy five minute play in my head, you know

978
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, set up there and get like just

979
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine this sheer narcissism slash alcoholism,

980
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: just pay money. I'm gonna get really hammered and then

981
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say things no responsibility for me, no scripted

982
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: totally and it ends in such like maybe this has

983
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: changed since um like the last itoration that I saw,

984
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: But it ends in such a just like a just

985
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: like a really sobering place I feel, because it would

986
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: you would you say that's still it ends. It's so

987
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: it's I don't it's the course of a night before

988
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: the wedding, and it just gets real messy. And the

989
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: kernel of truth that I think you try to hit

990
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: is with like equality, let's say, or with you know,

991
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: parity or assimilation into this you know culture of just like, okay,

992
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: let's try to like have equality in the same way

993
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: that straight people live through. Sure, like, what are we

994
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: sort of losing in that and from participating in it? Absolutely?

995
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: And I and I really don't have an answer for that,

996
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: but I wanted to raise those questions, and I really

997
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: wanted to say, not only what are we losing, but

998
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: what do we have? What do we stand to lose?

999
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: Because um, as you know, you have gay kids coming

1000
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: out younger and younger, which is obviously a wonderful thing,

1001
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: and parents that are more and more supportive. The backlash

1002
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: is you have a lot of gay kids saying I

1003
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: don't need to learn about my history. I don't need

1004
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: to and I'm not like that gay guy. I'm not

1005
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: like this. I'm quote unquote normal. And you know my

1006
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: sort of argument is normal is boring. And be bright

1007
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: and be bold and be out there and don't lose that.

1008
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Um and and you can have it all and we

1009
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: should have it all, you know, like it's not a

1010
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: trade off to have equality to also say I can't

1011
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: be queer anymore. And I think my plate is as

1012
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: I've done it more. It's more about queerness than it

1013
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: is about quality. It's about keeping that and and and um,

1014
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm actually playing a character who is

1015
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: who thinks he knows everything, who ends up learning himself

1016
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: from the younger character in the show a lot, I think,

1017
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: and you know, so I wanted to just raise a

1018
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: lot of these questions that I wanted, um very much,

1019
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: to sort of make us remember like that this is

1020
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: not Also, I feel like the second that marriage became

1021
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, legal, it was as if our culture told

1022
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: us that we all had to want that and that

1023
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: was the answer for all of us. Because now every

1024
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: gay magazine has a wedding section and every you know,

1025
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: and that that was the thing that I was just like,

1026
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: this is crazy because I kind of grew up never

1027
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: thinking this would happen. And that's not healthy either, of course.

1028
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: And I ultimately would love to get married, and I

1029
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: would love to, you know, to settle down and have

1030
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: a husband, and you know, but there's also part of

1031
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: me that's like loves being single, and I've seen the

1032
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: benefits of you know, of you know, on both sides,

1033
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: and I think there's no right answer for anybody. Well

1034
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like marriage is sort of noxious

1035
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: in that same way that it is in straight culture. Absolutely.

1036
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: And the coolest thing is when, you know, when when

1037
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: I did it last year, having people uh, because you know,

1038
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: once I started doing the play for audiences outside of

1039
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, necessarily the gay community, and a lot of

1040
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: older people were coming. And I had an older couple

1041
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: come up to me after the show and they were like,

1042
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: our friends got terrible when they got married too, And

1043
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: they were it was this old straight couple, you know,

1044
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: and they wanted to talk about marriage. So you know,

1045
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: I love the you know, the conversations that it listits

1046
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: at the end and um, and I wanted to play

1047
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: somebody who I also wanted to make our audiences see

1048
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: this gay guy because we don't see this guy we right,

1049
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: and and too what we're talking about earlier, we right

1050
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: really idealized we want to see beautiful gay people on TV.

1051
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: We want to see straight acting whatever that means. But

1052
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: we know what it means gay people on TV. We

1053
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: want to see sassy gay people on TV who aren't

1054
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: at all dangerous. And I wanted to write that big,

1055
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: loud nightmare that we're afraid of being, that we maybe

1056
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: have been at times, that we definitely all know. And

1057
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: I that's why I purposely made it a solo show,

1058
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: because I could have easily cast actors in the role.

1059
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: But I was like, if you have to just look

1060
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: at this guy, you're trapped at a party with this guy,

1061
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: you know what's amazing is and even like calling him

1062
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: a loud gay guys just too is not is doing

1063
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: a disservice because it's allowed gay guy who is like

1064
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: reckoning with himself, and that is that's the whole sort

1065
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: of arc of the play. And yeah, it's it's just fantastic.

1066
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: Well thank you, I mean, I just I also I

1067
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to write my my dream role and a

1068
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: lot of it is me, A lot of it has

1069
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: me in it, and a lot of it is not

1070
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: me at all, um And it's fun to sort of

1071
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: play with the line in between those things. A lot

1072
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: of the facts are completely made up and a lot

1073
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: of the a lot of the stories are I lived

1074
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: every second of them that are in there, and then,

1075
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, but I also it was like, I love

1076
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf. I love you know, I

1077
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: love what the you know, the big drunk I'm gonna

1078
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: tell you the truth August so Sage County. I love

1079
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: that stuff, and I'm like, I want to write that

1080
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: part for myself. That's like any good solo show or

1081
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: any good one man or one woman show. It's half

1082
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: based in real truth and half aspirational. This is what

1083
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: I what I wrote for myself together. I mean, I

1084
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: always thought, you know, I remember reading about how to write.

1085
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: There's a playwright, Jose Rivera, who's genius, and he wrote, uh,

1086
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: I have to say, as a friend, would be weird, man,

1087
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: we heard this, and why anyway, He's amazing. But he

1088
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: wrote he wrote something for American Theater about like rules

1089
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: are writing a play, And the one thing I remember

1090
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: the most was you need to have one thing in

1091
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: the play that's unbelievable. Have one thing in the play

1092
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: that people go, I can't believe that, have one magical piece.

1093
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: And I have mine in the show. And after you

1094
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: see that, there's one thing that I'm like, that's actually

1095
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: technically impossible. Um. And but that's my like, because I

1096
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: was like, I want some things in there you're like,

1097
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: that can't be true, and then I want of the

1098
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: things that they're like, that's that's of course that's true,

1099
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: and then I want people to not know in between,

1100
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: and then that's what That's what I mean, that's what

1101
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: I enjoy watching. So I also I just made something

1102
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: that I would want to go watch. Yes, well, that's

1103
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: the thing that I think. That's the thing that I

1104
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: love about this play is that it's so grounded. It's

1105
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: it lives in realism, but it is it's so fun.

1106
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: You somehow managed to not make that boring, like it's

1107
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: still fun and and carbonated and all this great stuff.

1108
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: Am I okay? Am I making this up? Did you

1109
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: have a line about do you still have that line

1110
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: about Jean Triple Horn? Did you ever have a line

1111
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: about Gean triple Horn? And not in that I don't

1112
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: think every you because just hearing the name Gene triple Horn.

1113
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: Excuse me, when Basic Instinct came out and I saw

1114
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: the opening credits and it was like Jean triple Horne

1115
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: and I loved her immediately just based on that name.

1116
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: What does that triple even in a movie with a

1117
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: name like Sharon Stone. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry Sharon truly?

1118
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: Now could it be the gene triple horn connection and

1119
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: big love that that connected us to Chloe? And that

1120
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: is I want to know. I want to know because

1121
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: these really, these were game changers for us watching it

1122
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: when we first discovered your Chloe videos? What is it

1123
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: about Chloe seven A like take us through? Well, it

1124
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: started because I realized I looked like her when I

1125
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: looked her und mirror, and I was like, I looked

1126
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: Chloe seventy and I also obsessed, was obsessed, and it

1127
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: was like when her first like Indian movie started to

1128
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: come out. I was in college. I'm just I'm just

1129
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: a few years younger than her, and so like she

1130
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: was starting to hit in her early twenties when I

1131
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: was in my eighteens, and I was sort of I

1132
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: was just always following her and I was fascinated by

1133
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: her world. And I grew up in small town in

1134
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and I was reading Interview magazine and and

1135
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: and Time Out and everything. I was obsessed with New

1136
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: York and l a culture and I had none of

1137
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: it at my fingertips. And this was back in the

1138
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: in the nineties magazine, and so I just she represented

1139
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: the coolest downtown culture. I was like, wherever she was,

1140
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: what was her the party was, and so there was

1141
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: always she was just kind of always somebody that I

1142
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: knew she was, and you know, and then it just

1143
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: sort of it was this perfect storm. When I was

1144
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: doing a sketch show fifteen years ago and I looked

1145
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: in the mirror, I said, I looked like this actress

1146
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: Coldly seventy. I knew exactly who she was. I put

1147
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: her up on stage I was in. I was in

1148
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: a gay sketch comedy troupe called The Deviance uh in

1149
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: two dozen two, and our director um hated it. He

1150
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, this is this? He was like, what is this?

1151
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: And is she? Then I showed him a picture of

1152
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: Chloe seventy and he's like, well, you don't really look

1153
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: like her, and he was like and I was like,

1154
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: and I was name dropping all these things because I

1155
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: had read an interview with her where she was named

1156
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: dropping all this stuff. And I was like, no one

1157
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: gets these references. And I think that's the point. The

1158
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: point is not like for you to really be impressed,

1159
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: it's for you to not even know the ether that

1160
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: you're that you're sniffing. It's like you don't even flavor.

1161
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: And so I was like, that is so fascinating to

1162
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: me and funny. And I also was at the same

1163
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: time reading Bretty Stenellis. I was reading American Psycho and

1164
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: Glamorama and I've ripped off of Prettie Stenelli's Horrible was

1165
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: a writer because it's Prettie Senella. It's the way he

1166
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: would write his books. And I was reading and so

1167
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: I was just like, what about the list comedy? You

1168
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: just list it and there's no emotion attached to it whatsoever.

1169
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: Did you have fun at the party? Yes, because so

1170
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: and so so and so and so and so we're there,

1171
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: we ate the following things. Then we you know, then

1172
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: this is what we were wearing. And then it was

1173
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: over and you're like, you didn't describe a single emotional experience.

1174
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: It's just status and that's it. And that was just

1175
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: funny to me because it was like, that's so crazy.

1176
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: So I put it up on stage. It bombed so

1177
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: badly and I got zero lapsed. I had the driest mouth.

1178
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: I remember how how dry my mouth was and how

1179
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: embarrassed I was to get up and do it, and

1180
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: no one was laughing. And I was saying and I

1181
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: was referencing things, and I was saying Tilda Swinton and

1182
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: I was saying like bat Cave and all these light

1183
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: weird you know, you know New York places that are

1184
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: no longer here. And I insisted on doing it the

1185
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: next week in the show, and my director was like,

1186
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: we're pulling it, Drew. It was the biggest bomb, was true.

1187
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: You have so many other things and this was so

1188
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: and I go, please let me try it one more time.

1189
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I jumped in the fire

1190
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: a second time, and it went well the second time.

1191
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: And and I never knew until the videos came out.

1192
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: I never knew if it was gonna it would either

1193
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: be one or the other. It would never go medium.

1194
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: It would either kill or it would die, and there

1195
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: was no in between. And then the and then Jim Hansen,

1196
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: my friend years ago, was like, Jim, yes, and he

1197
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: was like, I want to make these into videos. And

1198
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: then that's when they really just took off. And I

1199
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: resisted it for so long as I was like, I'm

1200
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: not a drag queen. It is this is a one

1201
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: off thing. It sometimes goes well, it sometimes doesn't go well.

1202
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it for so long, and

1203
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: you want to be your own terms to be like,

1204
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't necessarily want to be known for

1205
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: this specific effect, right. I had no no, I had

1206
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: no interest in that happening. And then when it did,

1207
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: thank god it did, because I had no it was

1208
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: it was my entrance into into the world, as they say,

1209
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: but thank god for the Internet and thank god for

1210
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: Jim Hansen and saying these needs to be videos because

1211
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: that's how I got to do so many other things

1212
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: and to this day and and now I'm really proud

1213
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm very It's it's on something that

1214
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm very touched at. People say I can't

1215
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: believe people still watch them because it's like YouTube, and

1216
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: you're like, don't things go away on YouTube? You know,

1217
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: It's like, but um, it really it makes my day

1218
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: when people say that. It holds up Like what other

1219
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: video from like that long ago, Like can you still

1220
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: watch and be like this is still funny? You know

1221
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? All the like big sketch videos of

1222
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: that time. It's like you watch them now and you're like,

1223
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: oh God, there's like something shitty about them or like

1224
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: revelation that they're problematic in some way, right, But I

1225
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: can't wait to find that when becomes problems. I don't

1226
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: know if if it will for never will it can

1227
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: I'll fight that. You know the fact that the fact

1228
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: that Brett east An elyis is like that that sort

1229
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: of formal inspiration of just like lisk comedy is so enlightening.

1230
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: And I because I just have been so curious to

1231
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: know what has what's been the well of specifics and

1232
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: like almost non sequiturs for for for those videos where

1233
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: it's like appreciate like like things like um, appreciate the

1234
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: casual arrogance of Tuesday Weld, Like wow, how do you come?

1235
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: Like that stayed with me? That strange, that sequence of

1236
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: words has stayed with me for like that long, and

1237
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: like part of me is like there's there's a real

1238
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: disgusting part of me that can slide into that too easily.

1239
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: I love it, like I can read something and just

1240
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: and I and I you know, I love reading food reviews,

1241
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: Like that's a real inspiration. I with l a weekly

1242
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: as and I'm spillage voice you guys get you know,

1243
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: it's the same, but the way they will describe a

1244
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: meal that sounds so disgusting, and yet it's like high

1245
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: end and I've always loved you know. I'm words are

1246
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: really important to me, and so I And also names

1247
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: anybody that has an offbeat name. It sounds like Jane

1248
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: Triple Horne, you know, yeah, you know exactly, and so

1249
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: you have a name like that, and I'm like, that's interesting,

1250
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: So I sort of you know, And a lot of

1251
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: it is just a lot of it was when Jim

1252
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: and I would get together, we would just say and

1253
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: we would sound out with like what sounds good. I

1254
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna say this to you, and what

1255
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,959
Speaker 1: is it? How does it scan? Because there's some names

1256
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, that doesn't sound as much of a

1257
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: punch as when you say you know. So it's a

1258
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: lot of trial and error. And then the best is

1259
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: when like years later you'd hear the name and you'd

1260
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: find out who they were, like Tinsley more now a

1261
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: cast member on Real Housewives, and I was like, I

1262
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: literally had the studio, was like, Tinsley Mortimer, tell me

1263
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: about what that person is, because that's a thing from

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01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: my past. I have to have confirmed, but T plus

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: one that was just something from the fucking like back

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01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: animals of my mind. But you know, I think we also,

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01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: I think it's beyond because I'm very like, I make

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: a point because I don't like when people want to

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: trash the real Chloe seventy to me because I'm like,

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: she's great and also she she like she's Chloe. She's unique,

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: she's absolutely and talented, but I she is, and I think,

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01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: but I think my character is the kind of we

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01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: all know that person, and I think I think what

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: also what happened for me luckwise, like timing wise, was

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01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: that we started to get that hipster culture started and

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01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: we all knew that person at the party who was

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01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: name dropping who they were and whatever. I mean, you know,

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, a few years after I

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: was doing it, um, you know, Stefan showed up on

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: S and I and that was like the lad's character,

1281
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: which is so funny, and it's like, I think people

1282
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: just start to realize, like that we just know that

1283
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: type of person, whereas it didn't maybe not in this form,

1284
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: but I think with Chloe, like I think you gave

1285
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: us like a mental model for like how to poke

1286
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: fun at that and like a like a comedic way,

1287
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: because I feel like, I don't know that's socialite that

1288
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: like in like in The Great Gatsby, what is it

1289
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: Jordan Baker, the one that was just at the party

1290
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: and always just like great when who get hit by

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01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: the car, the one who dies, Yeah, oh god, we're

1292
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: going to We're going to We're going back to Great Gatsby.

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01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: I feel like, but I don't know if this is

1294
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: this is fair to say for you, but I feel like,

1295
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: and I don't mean for this to sound like super

1296
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: like whatever cloying I'll say again, but for me, it's

1297
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: informed a lot of my sensibility definitely, because like you know,

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01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: we'll do characters that are just like I'll be like,

1299
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna fucking right, I'm gonna do.

1300
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write write quote quote a Mitchi Ko Kakutani

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: impression quote unquote, and it's just like her, like it's

1302
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: she's really like she has this voice. It's like not

1303
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: like what is Michiko Cocotan shooting on all these authors

1304
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: and like the specificity, like the more obscure the author is,

1305
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: the fun yeer it is. And I was like, oh,

1306
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: but I've seen this to be successful before with the

1307
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: Chloe videos. Honestly, yeah, we I think we watched those

1308
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: videos in a time where we were starting to find

1309
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: our developing developing, and it was very, very helpful. It

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: was a big inspiration on this and I think a

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: lot of gay comics and also like our straight friends

1312
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: who get it, Yeah, get it. I have a question.

1313
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever spoken with Chloe seven rights? Have I

1314
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: met her years ago at a party? Um? And I, Uh,

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01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: it was one of those things. I walked in the

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01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: door and I had no idea she was going to

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: be there. Oh my god, and I and I got

1318
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: super nervous because I realized I had never thought of

1319
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: what I would say to her it had I met her,

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01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: and I felt like I have to say something. I

1321
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna say. She was really nice.

1322
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: It was super weird. I got out of there really

1323
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: quickly because I didn't want her to think I was

1324
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: studying and I didn't want to make her uncomfortable. Um.

1325
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: She since in an interview like I did a couple

1326
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: of like talked about me later and said that you know,

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: she met me. She was he was so nervous to

1328
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: meet me and all this stuff and like he thought

1329
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: I hated, I'm like, I don't. Here's the thing I am.

1330
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: That's why I always will say I'm an actor before

1331
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, and not from any place other than

1332
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: I really like, I don't enjoy making people yes, and

1333
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: I and and I and I'm and I will own

1334
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: the fact. I mean, you know, I'm I'm my very

1335
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 1: first video and make a really shitty dig in a

1336
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: touch leon then I'm not proud of and people, you

1337
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: know whatever, And I don't like that. I didn't know

1338
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: that when the videos were gonna happen, they were going

1339
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: to be so big. I had no clue it was

1340
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: the thing I was doing on stage and not to

1341
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm not to give myself that to be like I'm

1342
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: a victim in this, but I do feel I do

1343
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: feel bad, and a lot of people have said, don't

1344
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: feel bad, it's it's funny, it's a joke, and I'm like,

1345
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: it's just not where I come from. I don't come

1346
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: from a place of like I want to, you know,

1347
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: like punch somebody when they're down. And Natashalyon was in

1348
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: a really bad place and I made and I made

1349
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: a personal dig at her, and I don't feel good

1350
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: about that. And I love Natashaly and she's fucking amazing,

1351
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: and so that I don't And so I when when

1352
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: Chloe started to take off, like I was like, and

1353
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: also it was more interesting to me to create my

1354
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: entire own universe, and so it was like it's sort

1355
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: of divorced from you know, when my video is like

1356
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: Chloe goes to the Moon, you know, Chloe, you know,

1357
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: discovered she has grandparents. You know, it's like, it's not

1358
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: the real Chloe set me. And so it's like and

1359
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: that to me is so much more free, and so

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01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: I never want to so when I meet the real person,

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01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like I don't want to make

1362
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: them uncomfortable. I was also like other people coming up

1363
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: and watching us and taking pictures of us, I'm like,

1364
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: it's putting her on the spot. I've been asked to

1365
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: do so many things that I've turned down because I'm like,

1366
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I got asked one time by someone that

1367
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: on a movie she was in to ambush her on

1368
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: the red carpet an opening night of her movie, and

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I would never do that. First of all,

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm I'm good with what I'm doing.

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01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing other stuff, so I'm not so desperate it

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: might that to do that. And also I would never

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01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: on a human level, I would never do that to somebody.

1374
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: That is horrible to be like. And and I and

1375
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: I said, um, if if I hear from her that

1376
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: she signed off on it, I'll do a bit with her.

1377
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: And of course they never called me back because they're like, yeah, no,

1378
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: that's not the point. And it's like this, you know,

1379
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: these are some really some real bottom feeders in here.

1380
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would never be on the side of

1381
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: like you know, paparazzi and trying to make her because

1382
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: it's like that is no, not what I'm about. It's

1383
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: so much it's just so much more playful and and um,

1384
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, and and I don't know, it's like, I

1385
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. This makes it sound like,

1386
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, no, you are. You are putting more thought

1387
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: and consideration into that treatment than you're you're putting the

1388
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: exact I mean no, I'm just saying, like you are,

1389
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: that's untouchable. You can't really like poke holes in that

1390
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: and be like, well, she it is. She is, she is.

1391
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: It is a little bit of like a it's a character,

1392
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: it's not and it is. It's like about the culture,

1393
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: and it's about the world of the and and also

1394
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: like you know, hey, it's like we you know, we

1395
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: we do what we do. I just I want to

1396
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: be responsible for what I create and not for like

1397
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: tearing somebody else down. It's like I want to be like,

1398
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: please feel free to be like it's you know, if

1399
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: you don't like it or you think it's dumb, whatever, fine,

1400
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 1: but I don't want it to be like I'm out

1401
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: for blood. Also, there's so many villains in the world,

1402
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you've never even punched

1403
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: up or down or even like in any direction all

1404
01:11:53,439 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: around all around, Um, it's it's just punch punching wild. No,

1405
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: that's like also impersonation, you know what I mean. It's

1406
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: like no one's unless you're out there doing like a

1407
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: fucking and you're an impressionist nailing who this person is

1408
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: at their core. That's like what comedic impersonation is. It's

1409
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: like referencing the person making a choice, whether it has

1410
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: actually something to do with them or not. It's not

1411
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: good I'm not a good impressionist, like I always I mean,

1412
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: I studied the ground Links and they were really big

1413
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: into like get an idea from their point of view

1414
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: and play a character based on their perspective. And I

1415
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: always like that, and I was like, that's what I

1416
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: can do, and that's that's more free and fun to

1417
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: me than doing it dead on impression. That's like, you know,

1418
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: but when I have played people like I mean I

1419
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: did for a while, I was doing and Culture and

1420
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: I hated it. I really don't want to do it

1421
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: anymore because I was like, she's awful. And the second

1422
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: I come out, it's like I get a laugh because

1423
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: it's like, oh I walk out on stage, it's like

1424
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: it's a man of Dragon, It's and Culture. The second

1425
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: I open my mouth, the audience is like, oh go away,

1426
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: you suck, you know, and it's just no one, and

1427
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm like it's different, you know. Um So yeah. One

1428
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: thing that I still remember from that workshop that my

1429
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: friend Billy and I, Oh my god, I love workshop.

1430
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: It was great and you really did were very sweet

1431
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: coming up afterwards. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we took There's that.

1432
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't ever talking about Jerry Blank though, we did

1433
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: you you you brought up Jerry Blank as an example

1434
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: of and this is what you said, and this is

1435
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: what I wanted to bring up, is that like your

1436
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: favorite characters, and I feel like we both agree, Matt

1437
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: and I both agree your favorite characters are people who

1438
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: are like not totally self aware of their limitation, like

1439
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: with Jerry for example, thinking she's like some sexual goddesses,

1440
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's not necessarily the case. I mean,

1441
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: she's a sexual being for sure, but like it's just

1442
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: part of the you don't have to like, you know,

1443
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure she could have trick to some people.

1444
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:49,440
Speaker 1: She's like human being, she has said, I mean sometimes

1445
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't know people. I'm sort of humanity is no, no,

1446
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: it is, It's true. Yeah, that's that was something that

1447
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: I also, excuse me, I also learned the Groundlings was

1448
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: that unawareness was their comedic flaw, was the thing that

1449
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: they don't know about. And you play up on that

1450
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: because they they see themselves one way and and the

1451
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: audience sees them another way, and you can't really judge

1452
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: them when you're playing it, because then they become unlikable,

1453
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: they become mean, they become evil, they they're not fun

1454
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: to play when you're like you know, um, yeah, so yeah,

1455
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: it's that. It's it's always like finding that thing in

1456
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 1: the character and go how did they see themselves versus

1457
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: how the rest of them see it? And you can

1458
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: feel as a performer too, when you're doing the character,

1459
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: when you feel disconnected from it or not. And that

1460
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: usually does have to do with the idea of like,

1461
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: am I actually playing their truth or not? Like you

1462
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: can be fucking horrible as long as you're playing their

1463
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: truth and you could feel good. I just I recently

1464
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: I've been playing Paul Ryan like an Ryan, and um,

1465
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll read the script and I'll like, yeah, it's good,

1466
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: it's good good, And then sometimes I'll perform it and

1467
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, this part actually feels a little

1468
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: sad or mean, and then you have to reconcile, especially

1469
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: when you're being a real person, when there's real stakes

1470
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: for people. It can be sometimes hard when you're living

1471
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: in New York or l A and you make a

1472
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: joke about how you know, Paul Ryan's like his tax

1473
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: plan will like really hurt people and they'll have to

1474
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: like work three jobs and not be able to drive

1475
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: because of their cataracts in their eyes and they don't

1476
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: have healthcare and you're fucking cracking up about it in

1477
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: New York and then like you realize this is going

1478
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: to hit people in a certain place and you're like,

1479
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: holy sh it, Wow, this doesn't feel great Comically, You're like,

1480
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 1: what is that thing about Paul Ryan that is even

1481
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: driving that? You know? Does he find himself so hot?

1482
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: Ority would? I would guess that privilege in vangy when

1483
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: you have that and maybe how like I'm doing everyone

1484
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: a favor and you're welcome you know. Uh. Then that's

1485
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: that's where the fun part comes in because then we

1486
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: can all go oh wow, because we can laugh at

1487
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: the human thing about him. Yes, when it's the monstrous

1488
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: thing about him, you're like, wow, that's monstrous. And then

1489
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: you're just commenting. Then you're just pretty in the choir

1490
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: and you're not really being a comedian as much as

1491
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: you're being like, you know, a rabble rowser and going, well,

1492
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: we all agree like he's terrible, like you know, and

1493
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: then it's like finding the thing where you go, wow,

1494
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: that's so there's a glimpse Yeah, yeah, wow character workshop

1495
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: from true jo know, but it's it's really fascinating too.

1496
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: It's like when you watch like Saturday Alive now, like

1497
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: the one the impersonations on that show that separate the

1498
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: good from the bad. For me, I do think there's

1499
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: one big one that I don't love, which is Alec

1500
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: Baldwin's Trump is it's just this disgusting portrayal of a

1501
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: disgusting person. You're like, what is there more? Here? Doesn't

1502
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: seem like there is. Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard,

1503
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: I think right now to like us living in the

1504
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: reality show every day. It's hard to say it. I

1505
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: think it's hard to be separate from that totally totally.

1506
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: But then you see a Tamanix Trump and it's it's

1507
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: the whole other level. It's so much better because it

1508
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: playing truly brilliant and it's playing a reality. We don't

1509
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: see you on it right now. Um anyway, he's he's

1510
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: just brilliant. Um. I think it's time to move on

1511
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: to I don't think so, honey. So this is the

1512
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: moment um Drew where we take one minute to rail

1513
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: against something in culture. We should say on November eighteenth,

1514
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: you guys, we are going to have I don't think so, honey,

1515
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: live at the Bellhouse. We have fifty comedians all lined up,

1516
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: um that you haven't seen on our live shows before.

1517
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: These are fifty brand new comments are going to do.

1518
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: And I don't think so, honey. It's gonna be very

1519
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: fun at the Bellhouse at ten pm as part of

1520
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Podcast Festival. So we're so excited about that. That's

1521
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: next week. Um, we're gonna take each of our respective

1522
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: minutes right now to rail against culture. And I have one,

1523
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: You have one of the one with Matt will go

1524
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: then me and so Drew can sort of get the

1525
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: sense of how this is. He'll do it himself. This

1526
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His

1527
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. All you

1528
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: trying to shove Millie Bobby Brown down our throats? I

1529
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Bitch. Also, you need to start

1530
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: dressing her age appropriate. I saw her walk out from

1531
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 1: a talk show the other day. She looked like a

1532
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: fucking thirty five year old magazine at a tricks she

1533
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: was dressed like a fucking bitch. And she is a

1534
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. That's stranger things. I don't think

1535
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: so honey, bitch, let me tell you something. Don't try

1536
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: to Emma Watson eze this girl dress. Yeah, let's get

1537
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: there more than two seasons on the fucking show before

1538
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: we can make a commitment to this girl, bitch. C

1539
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: A come on, you have her on every goddamn show.

1540
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: She is ubiquitous, honey, And we need to take a

1541
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: breath and think do we want to do this because

1542
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: there might be no turning back. She's a talented girl, honey,

1543
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: but I don't think it fucking matters. Can she do

1544
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: more than eleven? We don't know. Give her the opportunity. Yes,

1545
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: she's a charming guest on. Yes she certainly slayed a

1546
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: rap on Jimmy Fallon, But also, why is this white trapping?

1547
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. And minute I'm saying as

1548
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: she looked like random priestley. She had a little tiny

1549
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: glasses and a fucking yellow suit, And I was like,

1550
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: you're like over her and also want to give her

1551
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, because I don't think both of

1552
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: I think it's complicated. I think here's the thing. You

1553
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: have to let her let her be her. You have

1554
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: to you have to let her sink into this like

1555
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: throwing her out there at thirteen years old. She said,

1556
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: massive success. I think you know, she very nearly won that, Emmy,

1557
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: I think very close. I think I think it was

1558
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: a toss up actually, because I thought Tandy Newton was

1559
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,799
Speaker 1: taking that ship. And who won for I'm sorry supporting

1560
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: actress drama, I don't remember. Oh fucking oh my god,

1561
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: why am I forgetting her name? Hulu? She said, oh

1562
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: fucking legend um and and so you know what that

1563
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: makes me think, because Sarah, God, but where am I?

1564
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 1: Where is my head? And doubt is like not a

1565
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: household named by any means. So that makes me feel

1566
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: like it must have been a very close race. And

1567
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: I think there were I think they were Tandy fans.

1568
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: I think they were Chrissie Mets fans him this is us.

1569
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: I think there were um fucking Millie Bobby Brown fans,

1570
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: and I think they were in Down fans. I think

1571
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: that was like a fucking race. But anyway, Billy Bubby Brown.

1572
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's early to make her this is

1573
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: a list star? Is it? Are? Are you? Is the source?

1574
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: Is it sort of this like everything? Or is it

1575
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: like her stylist that you want to like no, no, no,

1576
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: her stylis is part of it because they're trying to

1577
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: address her like this, and I'm like, girl, she's thirteen

1578
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: years old, Like she's not not that. Like we're critiquing

1579
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: the way they dress these podle but you know, she

1580
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: looks like the kind of Hollywood fashion icon speaks to

1581
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: the larger her. Her treatment like you brought to the

1582
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: a into this, I can't believe. Yes, it's the ubiquity

1583
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: that well, I think if they're not careful affect her performances,

1584
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 1: like you have to let her kind of you know,

1585
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 1: how much do you change between thirteen and eighteen. You

1586
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: have to let her go through that, Like, let's not

1587
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: fucking Hollywood her. Yeah, let's not. Let's not like do

1588
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: something to her, which maybe we did to you know

1589
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: some of these other younger actresses that didn't that got

1590
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: confused and you know, funked up. You know what I mean,

1591
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: Let's let her if she's truly talented girl and special talent,

1592
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: like we have no way of no idea. You just

1593
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: see them separate her from the boys on the cast

1594
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. Like there's like

1595
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: we got the cast of Stranger Things and it'll be

1596
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: the boys, and then it's like Millie Bobby Brown is

1597
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: like the separate thing. And if I was the agent

1598
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: of the other kids, I'd be like, hold on um. Actually,

1599
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: if she's going to be doing her own thing, my

1600
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: kid with the cute little gap in his teeth, in

1601
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: the shaggy hair, he's not going to go on this

1602
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: interview with the rest of them. Book him by himself too.

1603
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: He's pretty special, special, amazing, so adorable. Get that karaoke

1604
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: when he's singing incredible, Yeah, what what a what a star?

1605
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: All right? That's that's a Chloe specific for you. This

1606
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: is bone nings. I don't think so, honey. His time

1607
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: will start now. I don't think so, honey. People who

1608
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: are not equally gagged for Alfrey Water tour in the

1609
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: Lion Game, true female and the one who's playing the hyena, Yes,

1610
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: well no so Robbie Alfrey Ward. We have not given

1611
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: to Alfree Water a chance since that fucking DC show

1612
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: with Katherine Heigel that was her last big thing. Am

1613
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: I right? Yes, honey, we need to give Alfrey another chance.

1614
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: And I think this is so refreshing, and you guys,

1615
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: we need the children have forgotten Alfree water. And she

1616
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: could even make season two of Desperate Housewife. And she

1617
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: Betty apple White, Betty apple White bitch. And she had

1618
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: that son who was violent, Matthew apple White. Matthew apple White.

1619
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: She locked him in the basement and looked. That was

1620
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: what a campy asked season of TV that she made

1621
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: fun and entertaining, but still grounded in that emotion. She

1622
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: can she can stare at a fucking camera down the

1623
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: fucking barrel, and and and and I'd be shivering in

1624
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: my boots, shivering, you know what I mean, shaking in

1625
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: my boots five seconds. I can't find the words, but

1626
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I have the emotion because I love

1627
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Alfree Woodard. And I can't wait to see her voice

1628
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: a lion us. She will voice Robbie Honey. I said,

1629
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: you're part of my tribe if you are most for

1630
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: Alfree Woodard. Have you seen Passion Fish? Oh my god,

1631
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 1: you've got to see Passion Fish. That's like, that's like

1632
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: classic with Mary McDonald. It's, oh my god, it's amazing.

1633
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: She's the Oh and there's an amazing monologue. I didn't

1634
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,839
Speaker 1: ask for the anal probe. Oh well, there's an amazing

1635
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: monologue by your girl. You don't even see the you

1636
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: gotta watch this, Okay, great, you will lose your mind.

1637
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: It was like it was the indie the nineties. Everyone's

1638
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: like Ward is amazing. Do you know the movie at

1639
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Heart and Souls? Oh yeah, sure, the musical Touches My Heart?

1640
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love that. Okay, So now it's okay,

1641
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: mind's mind's I mean, here we go. I'm not even

1642
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not even gonna right around. You know, this

1643
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: is Drew. I don't think so, honey. Okay, time starts now.

1644
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. And I'm not saying this

1645
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: as some two thousand seven YouTube has been I I

1646
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: used to be in things that matter. I've sat three

1647
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: lines on New Girl. I'm the hot shit I do

1648
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: shows in the basement of a Mexican restaurant in l A.

1649
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm this playing, but I don't think so, honey.

1650
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: Don't expect me to always remember you every fucking inch

1651
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: of the day and every world. You know, I'm sorry

1652
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: when you go out. And I'm not saying that. I'm

1653
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: saying this as a human being. I don't expect anyone

1654
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: to remember me when I go out, So it's like

1655
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 1: it is a thing. When you were coming up and

1656
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: if you and if I reintroduced myself, give me your

1657
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: goddamn name, don't tell me we've met, have we have?

1658
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: We be more interesting. Here's a choice, you know, you know,

1659
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: do something because now I'll remember you, bitch, Now I'll

1660
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: remember you from now on. We have met. And you

1661
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think, so honey, all right, goodbye, goodbye,

1662
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: seven minutes, seven seconds of spare it does that matter?

1663
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: You know what? The point has been made. Bitch's so

1664
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: irritated by that when people and it's like we're out

1665
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, here's the thing. And I'm not even

1666
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: saying it from a place of like I'm so important.

1667
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:15,440
Speaker 1: We are all every one of us is on online,

1668
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: we're all on TV, we're all on we're on media media,

1669
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: all of us, every single and I'm saying everyone listening

1670
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: to this, we're all on things. You see pictures of

1671
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: people on dating apps and on Facebook and you know,

1672
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: Instagram whatever, so we see each other at all different

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Speaker 1: times and spaces, and and also you don't know you're

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01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, and we cannot be our brains are not

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01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: remember and so when they imply that you're being a

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Speaker 1: bad person. Because another thing too, like there are times

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01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 1: that I will remember meeting somebody and I'm like, they're

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01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: not gonna remember me, so I'll re introduce myself they

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01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: and they make it weird. I'm like, you know what

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01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: that's on you. I'm just let's just over. Honestly, you

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01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: were right too, because you don't forget and forever those

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: people that do that to me that are like we've met, actually,

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01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: I will never forget that, And now you don't want

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01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: me to remember you in this way because now you've

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: switched over. There's a couple of people I deal with

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: now more than I was before, and they acted like that,

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01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: and I'll never can I make the argument that there

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01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: is a nice way to do that though, because absolutely

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01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hi, I'm actually I think we've met

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01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 1: before that I think different. It's it's there's such a

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: different thing when you can say, you know, we met

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01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: it so and so, so and so and at the

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01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: party and you know, and and they're like, oh, it's

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01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: so nice to see you again, even if you don't remember.

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01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's like it's such a dance every

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01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: time you leave the house. Can you even get it

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01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: all together to leave the house? You know, So you're

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01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: going out, you're seeing people and you're just like you know,

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01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: but when they say we've met, and they imply that

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01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: like you're too good. Yeah whatever, and it's just a

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, I, I guess I'm in trouble. Also,

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01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: like what do you want for me right now? Do

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01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: you want to shame me from that? What? I think

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01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: they do want to And there's a they might and

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01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 1: it's like that's on them. But it's like I don't

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01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: feel bad. The takeaway is it doesn't it doesn't hurt

1707
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: my feelings when it happens. But you did not make

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01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: me feel bad. You just were an asshole to me. Yeah,

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01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: so there's you know, it's like I didn't go, oh man,

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I need to remember show and show. It's like no,

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01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: so and so sucks, So now I remember, you know

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01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and so. On the set of Tommy Doos short film

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01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 1: Mask Only, which is which is so Great? Which which directed?

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: On the set, I went up to Drew Hi. It's

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: we were reintroduced, and I think I even just I

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01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: hope I didn't know what my memory when I knew

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01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: who you were too. You know, I don't know if

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01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: I remember the US the the USC thing, but I

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01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 1: knew you. But but I went up to you and

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01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: I was like, and actually I think I like my

1721
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: friend Billy, and I took a workshop of yours at

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01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: USC years ago, so it's nice to see you again.

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01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't but like, that's put myself up as an

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01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: ex did a really good job, and that was really good,

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01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: I don't think. So there you go, trying to gain favor.

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01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: The thing is too, it's nice to remind people how

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01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: you met because then it's like, you know, because it's

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01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,839
Speaker 1: weird if you don't sometimes and sometimes it's something in common,

1729
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: but like, don't go out of your way to make

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01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: a moment awkward for someone. There. That's just the point.

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01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: There's no in the brain for us to keep up

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01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: with all these fucking names. We've only evolved to know

1733
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 1: like thirty max names at a given time because of

1734
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: tribal whatever, that's culture. We've only evolved to that point.

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01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: There you go, and you know, and we're we got

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01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,520
Speaker 1: Jane triple Horne. We've got too many names to memorize.

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01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: In the names, what's the name we need to remember

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01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 1: that Mercedes Well won an Academy award Tuesday, Weld come on,

1739
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: there we go. We've learned so many things this episode unbelievable. Drew,

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01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: thank you so much for happy coming and having me

1741
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: on the show. Truly, anytime, please come, anytime you want

1742
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: to come, absolutely and tell the kids where they can

1743
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: see it, so you can go on Bright Colors and

1744
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: Bold Patterns dot com and all the info is there. Um.

1745
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 1: It's also we have tickets on like Today ticks and

1746
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: all that stuff as well. But it's at the Soho Playhouse.

1747
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: We opened November twelve and we're running through January seven.

1748
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: So come check us out over the holidays and bring

1749
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: mom in for Christmas Day, honey, Yes, bring mama Christmas Day.

1750
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: And have your mom go up to Drew after the

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01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: show and just say we've met, say we've met, and

1752
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: then wind about all the gay couples that she knows

1753
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: that the gay married couples. Oh my god, this has

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01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: been lost culture us to us with Drew d I'm

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01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: Bowen and I'm Matt Rodgers and this has been wonderful. Guys,

1756
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Let's let's end with a song,

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01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 1: as we always do. Now there's a Gatton and Tuesday

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01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: and Change Order and Drew Bye. This has been a

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01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Boham, Joe Silio,

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01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,040
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Speaker 1: our page on Facebook. So get your ass to the show.

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Speaker 1: It's I Don't Think So Honey Live November eight, stats

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01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: a Saturday, at ten pm as part of the Brooklyn

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Speaker 1: Podcast Festival. See you there, ye,