WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Mix-and-Match 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.719 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:20.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.560 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.920 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.080 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:41.440 Weak It is Tuesday, November tenth, two thousand and twenty, 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.560 Season sixteen, episode number sixty two. Welcome to the latest 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.760 edition of The Break. I'm live from the s WBC 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.320 Mortgage studios at the Star, and I don't have my 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.280 normal crew with me, but I got a good crew 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.920 with me. Y'all joy this this next forty five minutes. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.480 We're gonna have some fun. We're gonna talk about a 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.320 lot of stuff. We're gonna get some good opinions out 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.960 there and have a good discuss. And I got Isaiah 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.360 stand back with me, four year NFL VET with the Cowboys, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.160 with the Patriots, with the Jacksonville Jaguars, we got Buried 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.760 Church and nine year vet also with the Cowboys and 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.000 the Jaguars. We got Kurt Daniels who's a twelve year VET. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:18.520 Never put on a helmet, but twelve years there. And uh, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.440 I'll take it. I'll take it. Right, So we got it. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.840 We got a very very experienced crew here. We're gonna 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.959 have a lot of good, good conversation and what I 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.640 want to do to get started. I know there might 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.600 be people out there listening that may not have, may 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.800 not be asked familiar with with you guys because they 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.320 listen to the break and maybe they don't listen to 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.440 the other shows. So I'm gonna open up by first 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.240 just going around the table, and I want you guys 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.560 to the level set and to tell people what your 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.479 thoughts are, general thoughts are on the status of this 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:50.040 team right now. I'm gonna start first with you, Isaiah. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.520 Um right now is this is not a very good 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.400 team right now. Obviously the record records says one thing, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.600 obviously being two and seven, and that I'll let you know. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.080 But unfortunately, you know, this team just they play some 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.280 very tough teams, but they also haven't played very good ball. Man. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.080 You know, if this, if this last game, is any 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.920 indication as to where we're going as an organization from 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.000 this point forward, then you know, I think everybody should 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.880 be encouraged. But you know, I don't aside from dog 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.640 on forty nine ers, I don't think anybody's facing as 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.640 many injuries as if we face, can't use it as 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.280 an excuse. The next man has to stand up and 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.840 step up. And unfortunately guys should have not played up 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.320 to what we feel like they should be doing. Very Yeah, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.560 I'm with Isaiah on this. When the season hasn't been 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.919 what we all thought it would be going into this thing. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.280 We lost multiple all pros. I mean, we lost our 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.120 two tackles, we lost our QB one out there. Defensively, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.320 We've been running around kind of days and confused with 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.200 this new system. So overall, things aren't going how we 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.560 thought they would in this season. But like you said, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.200 these last two games Philadelphia defensively and then Pittsburgh, I 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.760 think all three phases played a lot better. And if 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.639 they can build on this momentum, if they can get 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.640 this going in the right direction, I mean, we're not 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.520 out of the playoffs yet. I mean, you know, if 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:58.280 you're crazy, it is very crazy. If you watch, if 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.480 you watch the players now, you'll see I'm still drinking 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.600 the kool aid over here. I might be the only one. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.800 But so far the season hasn't gone. But you know, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.560 we gotta keep that momentum going and who knows what 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.040 can happen, Kurt, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I agree, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.240 I mean, yeah, they had a shot to make the playoffs. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.680 But for me, I'm looking towards next year. I want 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.640 to see development. I want to see these young guys 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.799 just better. I want to see some improvement, which I 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.040 think we have seen the last couple of games. I 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.560 kind of wish they'd been bigger sellers at the trade deadline. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.359 I mean, it's just been a disappointing year for a 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.919 number of reasons. For me, I'm looking for next year. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.680 I want to see development, improvement going forward. Let's get 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:41.240 into the past tense too. You see, he's a had Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:45.240 I chugged, Yeah, I chugged the kool aid. At the 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.520 beginning of the year, I was I was super bullbust 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.320 to start out, and now I'm just I'm sorry, I can't. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.600 I've I've jumped off the bandwagon. Get something. What you 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.240 guys might not know about me, I'm probably the most 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.600 optimistic person you'll ever meet. So for me, I had 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.880 really been kept, I kept the faith, and then it 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.760 just got to a point where it's like I can't 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.360 really even I can't. Yeah, I don't. I don't know 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.040 what else to say. I mean, honestly, I'm kind of 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.240 with Kurt. I just want to see I want to 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.840 see how well these guys develop, because I'm looking at 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.320 next year and I'm thinking, you get because let's let's 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.840 be real, even if they get to the playoffs, the 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.720 teams they match up with, there is not a likelihood 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.160 that it's going to be a long playoff run. So 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.159 so for me, I look at it, I'm like, okay, 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.600 So when you get back all of your your great 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.520 players that you lost this year, then the question becomes 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.920 how much did you get the young guys to develop 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.160 A Gallimore, a Trevon Diggs. You know how much did 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.120 those guys developed to where you add them into these 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.240 great players that you're missing right now, to where you 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.240 might actually have something. So that's what I'm more looking 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.920 forward to, I guess, right, But as as a player, right, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.360 as a player, you know, when you're saying there's a chance, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.680 there's a chance, right, always always a chance. So I 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.040 mean you go out there, your check is the same 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.719 no matter what, Right, a seventeen weeks your check comes 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.600 through the same way, right, But those extra checks, right, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.400 and when along as those things are on the horizon, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.680 you're gonna do everything you can't go grab those things, right, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.479 no matter what circumstances. Yeah, no matter what the circumstances. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.520 And the NFC East is what it is, right, it 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.640 is what it is. And guess what I take? A 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.919 hik can get it right. You know I alluded to 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.280 it in the past or when I was playing with them. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.760 I'm fortunate with the Giants, right. Um, you know, we 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.640 we snuck in the playoffs. You know, we we beat 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.360 Dallas and we snuck in the playoffs. And guess what 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.320 we got. We we took we got some of that 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.240 cool later, we got some get right, right, and guess 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.920 what we guys who remember once they got that opportunity, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.360 it was a reset button, right, So regardless of how 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.039 we were playing up to that point, it was a 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.839 reset button that day. Once you recognize you're in the playoffs, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.440 and it's like, guess what I can ball? Right, we 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.360 can ball as a team, and guess what, We're only 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.520 four games away from walking away with some jewelry. So 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.040 your mindset changes, right as long So as long as 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:46.839 you have an opportunity to get in that thing, you 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.120 slide up in there like you want, like you on 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.040 the slipping slide. So I kind of I'm kind of 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:55.760 hearing that you're kind of with me on this. Windows 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.919 were coming and you can be d BO so you 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.719 can do it over the open of the going on 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.560 in and I'm with you on that one. We still 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.560 got a chance. His NFC's is not sewn up at 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.120 all by any stretch of the imagination. We still get 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.760 to play all those guys at least one more time, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.440 so we can we got a chance at least to 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.000 get back into the division. Um, and I can see 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.920 it happening. Um, we just gotta we just gotta play 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.880 better overall the defense, offense, special teams, which we've seen 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.159 um in that Pittsburgh game. So for me, we still 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.040 got a chance. I'm still drinking the kool aid. I 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:27.320 might be the only one on the boat, but I'm 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.000 gonna still be Now. You ain't because think about it. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.600 Think about it from this perspective. Right, if you do 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.040 get it back into the play If you say you 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.719 have a chance to win the playoffs, right and somehow 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.640 you sneak up in there at that point in time, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.520 think about how healthy you are potentially if you don't 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.760 have any more injuries, right, you get all your guys 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.240 back for the most part. Right, In the conversation of 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.320 Dak coming back even presents itself depending on how how 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:55.280 well his repart. You're talking to somebody who's at six surgeries, okay, right, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.400 somebody who's at act seven surgeries. So when you start 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.160 talking about injuries, when were talking about bones, right, there's 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.840 a potential for bones to he'll substantially faster than ligaments 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.640 and and everything else that you face. So I'm saying 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:05.960 there's a chance. I'm saying that it might be a 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.200 slither of a chance, right, going all in with what 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:17.280 I'm saying, this sweet in everything every Yeah, it was, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.800 but but a lot of things start present themselves, right, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.200 So but you have to give yourself that chance, gather 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.200 yourself that opportunity. Um and if you even if you 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.520 take the decks aspect out of it, if you're putting 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.720 your position yourself to get into the playoffs, then whoever 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.000 you have that quarterback, it's probably probably playing pretty well 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.600 at that time. Well at this point, I mean, I 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:35.640 certainly want the guys over that other part of the the 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.920 building be thinking like that, right, That's what we expect 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.520 for sure that we want them to play the thing 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.800 lay as hard as you can. I just don't know. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.600 For me as a as an observer, I hear you 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.480 not necessarily I'm gonna buy it. But if they give 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.480 me reason to like, I always tell give me a 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.680 reason pick you. I want to pick you every single week. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.000 You got to give me a reason to pick every 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.000 single week. Let's jump into the conversation on trayvun Digs. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.320 There was a little bit of news that came out 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.520 on him. Looks like he has a broken foot, and 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.600 we were talking about it before the show Isaiah and 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.640 I for me, again, it goes against what I'm really 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.560 trying to accomplish this year at this point, which is 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.720 these young guys getting reps and being able to develop. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.680 And what we've seen from him to in my opinion, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.360 as a player who came in, they threw him in 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.680 the fire, and over time we've seen him get a 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.520 little bit better. There was some things he's had some 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.360 misapps that are just like, you don't even know why 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.640 he did what he did. But you've also seen some 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.040 moments where you're like, man, this kid complete wall. And 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.160 so that being said, I'm asking you, guys, particularly as 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.040 two former players, how much does that affect that when 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.720 when is your first year and you're kind of having 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.040 this up and down year, how much does it affect 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.080 you to now have to miss at least half the season. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.560 It hurts him drastically, I mean, because he was picking 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.560 up he was picking up momentum. And I think early 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.160 on I've been hard on him all year or two. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.559 I've been tough on him, but he's faced the best 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.800 delete has to throw on him. So we're talking about 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.559 in terms of as a rookie coming in and you know, 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.839 your ability to see things and adjust to the to 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.760 the speed of the game. And he's faced it, right, 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.679 He faced it, and he's got his he's got his tail. Well. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.000 Acted a couple of times, you know what I'm saying, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.880 Guys will ram past him. Um, But you know he 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.839 started figuring things out. We saw, you know, obviously in 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.600 the Philly game, he got a couple of interceptions, ball 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.959 came his way, he made the plays. Um last week 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.520 he played a little bit better as well, So I'm 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.120 thinking that his confidence was starting to build. It as 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.439 soon as you get that confidence boom, this happens to 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.400 you right. So now not only does he have to 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.920 overcome being a rookie, he has to overcome injury, and 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.480 now he has overcome trying to get back in it 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.719 before the season's over. Yeah, I think it's going to 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:33.120 hurt him overall. Go ahead, What was he meeting your expectations? Though? 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.360 I mean I almost feel like, I mean, he had 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.160 no offseason, he had no preseason games. Obviously a rookie 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.160 in some ways, whatever you could get out of him 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.360 this year, it was almost not a free pass. But 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.440 I don't know. This season for him was all about development, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.280 which is why this injury hurts him so much. But 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.640 did you think he was meeting the expectations of his 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:53.840 second round pick before this happened? Well, for me overall, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.280 I thought, um, at the beginning, I mean, let's look 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.200 at the list of receivers he went against. We got 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:03.080 Robert Woods, Cooper Cup, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, you got 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.600 DK Metcalf, you got Tyler Locket. I mean that lineup alone, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.080 I mean I don't see I don't know any veteran 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.120 cornerback that would be able to, you know, stand up 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.959 against that. So for me, the ups and downs that 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:13.800 he's had. I mean, you're gonna see those as a rookie. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.920 I mean, he had a lot of mistakes with his 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.360 eyes and his footwork at the line of scrimmage. But 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:18.800 those are the things that's gonna hurt him because he 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.800 could have built upon that in this season ming going forward. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.439 But to me, I love what I see in the guy. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.760 I mean, the best part about his game that I 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.199 saw so far this year was just his short term memory. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:29.920 He was about to go out there and he had 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.679 ups and downs, but he wouldn't let that affect him 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.839 throughout the whole game. He wouldn't hang his head and 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.160 kind of man with what was me type deal. No, 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.440 he kept scrapping and he kept fighting. And those are 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:39.720 the type of guys you want on your team, those 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.000 type of guys you want to go to war with. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.679 But this injury, it will affect him a little bit, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.840 But I think he should I'm not a doctor or anything, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.240 but he should be ready by OTAs and and mini 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.319 camp and all that good stuff. So hopefully it doesn't 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.240 hamper that at all. But going forward, I think we 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.439 have a start here at thinking about his mentality. And 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.040 we talk about this all the time in a break. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.640 This guy, he's been he's been used to getting torched 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.760 in the backyard all his life, going up against his 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.160 brother who was an NFL wide receiver, real receiver. So 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.040 he's not gonna get down, like he knows if getting 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.760 beat as a part of it. And he's also gonna 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.800 keep fighting and he's gonna win something on his own. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.560 And that's just that, that's what you're seeing from him. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.520 He's a guy's gonna keep fighting. Even when he makes 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.120 a mistake, he comes back. I think the dk Metcalf 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.640 play is to me, the epitome of what his season 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.120 a get beat, come back, make a play. And that's 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.920 quite frankly. You look at the cornerbacks on this team 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.560 for quite a while now, they haven't had that those 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.320 kind of players. They'll get beat, but they never come 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:33.920 back and make the play. They never come back and 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.080 make that play that can change the game. I think 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.360 from that standpoint, they might have found him a gym 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.839 in this guy. This is true because I mean when 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.360 when I was on the team, we had a guy 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.839 similar and Morris Clayborne who was a high draft pick 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.559 and you know, coming out of LSU man corner. But 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.839 what Tayvron Diggs had that he didn't he had that 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:51.920 short term memory with MOA was kind of like, man, 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.280 I got beat and then the rest of the game 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.400 was just downhill. And that's what I think I love 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.640 so much about Tavond. It's just his ability to fight 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.560 and keep scratching no matter what. All Right, we're going 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.960 to move on to another topics. Earlier yesterday, I think 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.439 it was Stephen Jones and Mike McCarthy, they were in 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.200 their their separate interviews and they talked about Andy Dalton 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.880 and the quarterback position, and they both agreed that once 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.079 he's healthy, he will resume the role as a starter 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.040 over Garrett Gilbert. My question for you guys is do 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.720 you agree or disagree with this decision. Let's start first 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:31.319 with you, Kurt Well. I don't know, it's might be 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.280 a cop out, but I want the guy who's going 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.800 to give us the best chance to win, excuse me, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.040 the best chance to win. I mean, it's not like 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.360 you're developing Gilbert for the future. I don't think. I 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.079 mean he was. He brought a lot of excitement, a 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.520 little bit of energy in that game. But you know, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.839 in some ways, I think Dalton has as big a 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.800 chance to be your backup next year as as as 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.240 as Gilbert does. I mean, what's the market going to 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.240 be for him to find a number one job somewhere. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.400 So I'm not against Dalton coming out there if he 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.960 proves he you know, if he's if he's the better quarterback, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.960 which his experience says it he is. I don't see 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.520 why you don't keep it running him out there if 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.400 he's giving you the best chance to win, because you're 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.400 not trying. I don't think you're trying to develop a 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.439 thirty year old Gilbert to spend in the league. So 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.760 long as he has I'm Andy Dalton fan and I've 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:25.160 gotten scorched for it. However, you look as as players, right, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.520 we look at the energy of the team. We look 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.080 at how the team vibed with Gilbert versus how they 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.199 vibe with Dalton. Now, Gilbert had a much more stout 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.760 offensive line than and then and he'd had at the time. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.120 But regardless of the fact, I feel as if the 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.640 energy and the morale, I know, I heard that in 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.760 the last podcast, the morale of the team was better 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.000 with Gilbert, unfortunately than it was with Dalton because normally 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.760 I'll pick Dalton all day long in terms of experience, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.240 in terms of skill sets, all that stuff. Right. I 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.800 think he's I think he's he's a dude. But the 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.280 team didn't vibe with him. Um, And that's what sticks 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:58.480 out the most to me when I look at those 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.320 two performances. And I know it's hard to those two 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.200 up against each other, but one thing you can match 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.320 is how the team responded to him. And I feel 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.960 like there's team responded to Gilbert. Yeah, and I'm gonna 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.079 have to go on this Gilbert train as well. Look ahead, Kirk, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.640 what about to say? Well, I just how how how 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.960 do you explain that they vibed with them? Like he said, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.600 Gilbert had a better offensive line, they might have been 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.800 more pumped up to play the Steelers who were undefeated 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.760 coming in, they were at home. I mean, I guess 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.960 it's sort of a you know, how do you describe ye? 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.520 But what made you think that they were in the 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.800 long term, would be better with Gilbert. I'm not saying 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:39.440 necessarily the long term. I'm talking about just right now. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.840 this right, this seems for sure and I'm not sure 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.840 necessarily put my finger on it. Um to explain it. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.480 But it's it's a it's a thing that you feel, right. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.360 I don't know very this thing you feel when just 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.040 the energy of the team when it came out. Um 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.600 with Annie, they were flat, they were flat, and they 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.160 never responded right. And when things went went bad, they 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.400 didn't they didn't come back right. They didn't back nor 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.440 did they show the urgency to come back at any 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.600 any place. When any Dalton got knocked down, they yeah 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.040 right versus you know, versus Gilbert got knocked down, the 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.280 running over there to pick him up right or you know, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.160 or you know, if he threw an interception, guess what. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:14.600 They came back and then you can see that they 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.400 were still ready to go. Let's rollers do this. We 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.040 got a chance. So it's a it's a it's a 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.600 whole vibe thing like that, Um where you how can I? 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.040 How can I say that? Man? Where they you just 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.200 you just feel like they're like there's a chance. You 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:27.600 felt like you felt like there was a chance the 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.480 whole time with Gilbert versus with Andy, even with Anie Dalton, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.360 was still any Dalton you felt like the game was 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.080 out of it was out of control for me on 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.160 this one. I'll make it short and sweet. I think 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.960 I gotta go with Gilbert on this one because you're 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.280 you're with a team right now, you're two and seven, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.640 you got a little bit of momentum going, and you're 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.240 grasping for strings right now. You're grasping for something to 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.880 hold on too. And I think what what Gilbert brought 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.200 into that game last week was just that confidence, that 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.720 that command of the offense. It just seemed like he 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.840 he elevated the players around him um and they were 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.560 going against the number one defense out there in the 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.160 Pittsburgh here, so they weren't going against Washington or Work 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.000 or anything like that. We're going to get the defense, 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:03.720 you know, with TJ. Wire coming off the edge, Bud 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.120 dupri and his ability to kind of just maneuver in 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.680 that pocket and still look downfield and still get his 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.560 wide receivers involved in the game. I think it was good. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.720 And to me, I think this team grasping on strings 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:15.480 right now, they're like, Hey, we got this momentum with him. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:16.960 We got a guy that you know, can go out 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.800 there and command the offense. So let's just go ride 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.600 with that. But we'll see what happens. Yeah, you know, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.520 I think part of the thing we got to consider here. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.800 And now I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.160 but I think it's possible. And this was this was 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.440 the Cowboys Super Bowl. And you know, this happens throughout 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.120 every season, every team, even really really bad teams. We 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.240 saw it last night with the Jets and the Patriots, 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.760 where you know you have a team that's really bad 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.720 that they go into a specific game targeting the specific opponents, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.160 saying for whatever reason, and the Jets that was more 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.240 about getting beat up for so many years. They like, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.200 we finally found the Patriots at a moment when they're vulnerable. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.400 Let's go get it right, let's go get them. And 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.480 they went and they still couldn't make it work. But 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.200 I think the Cowboys had a little bit of that 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.240 going on last Sunday. They looked at the stealers, they said, hey, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.120 we haven't had things going right for us, but if 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:01.880 we really focus in, let's show what we can do 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.600 with these guys, let's make them the example. And then 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.680 you look at the fact from the standpoint of I 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.680 think the offensive line played a ton better. I think 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.560 that might be because of what Mike McCarthy has been 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.680 talking about, you want your offensive line to play together. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.760 The most important thing about an offensive line, maybe as 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.440 important as the talent, is how often are they playing 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.760