1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: generation warfare. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: A. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 3: Commentator, international social media sensation, and form a Navy intelligence veteran. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 4: This is human Events with your host Jack Posovic. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: Christ is King. As long as there is blood in 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: my veins and air and my lungs, I will make 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: sure that the radical left, the media, and the Democrats 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: never forget the name of Charlie Kirk. We are here 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: not because we want to be here, not because we 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 3: choose to be here. 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: This wasn't some accident. 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 5: But you listen to the. 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: Media and they treat it like it was just a 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: car crash, a tragic trained derailment, a plane crash. No, No, 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 3: and don't you ever let them trick you with their words, 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: their wicked twisting of words. No, Charlie Kirk was murdered. 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was assassinated in cold blood. He was shot 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: down an innocent man, for the only crime that he 20 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: ever committed. 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 5: Was speaking the truth. 22 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: I still think of Erica and to think of Charlie's children, 23 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: and I know that if some bullet came and cut 24 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: me down, that Charlie would be there for my children 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: to be an uncle to them. So I will always 26 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: be there for Charlie's children as an uncle to them, 27 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: to tell them who their father was, to tell them 28 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: what he stood for, to tell them who Charlie the 29 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: Man was. 30 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: Charlie was not a boy. Charlie started this movement. He 31 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: was a boy when he first started. He was a boy, 32 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: but he went out a man. He went out with 33 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: his boots on. He went out as a lion, with 34 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: the courage of a lion, with more courage than all 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: of us. When we fight, when we step up to 36 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: the plate, when we put up a folding table in 37 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: a park or on campus, when we set up a 38 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: chair and pick up a microphone, when we go out there, 39 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 3: when we give it all, we're doing it for Charlie. 40 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. 41 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: Here live Phoenix, Arizona. Today is September sixteenth, twenty twenty five. 42 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 5: An O Domini. 43 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm here in the Charlie Kirk studio, sitting next to 44 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: my friend's chair, and we just played the video of 45 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: it's incredible ASU memorial service which was held for Charlie 46 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: last night. It was the first event that I've held 47 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: that Turning Point is done. Since then, I've got the 48 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: freedom shirt right here, and these are just the outpouring 49 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: of love for Charlie, the outpouring of support for the mission. 50 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: It's greater than everything I've ever seen, and I'm rendered 51 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: speechless by it. The amount of people who came last 52 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: night was astonishing. I'm told fourteen thousand sun Devil's Arena 53 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: there in you at ASU campus. And of course it 54 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: was on campus. This was the same campus, by the way, 55 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: where Turnpoint got started. Turning Point was born on ASU's campus, 56 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: and it's only fitting that the first Turning Point event 57 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: after the assassination. 58 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 5: Would be there. 59 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: We have an FBI briefing that is now about to 60 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: take place in Utah in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 61 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: I believe we have someone walking up to the podium. Guys, 62 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Is that is that going live right now? 63 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 6: Let's take it, patients, as we continue to get that 64 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 6: process going and completed so that we can continue and 65 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 6: Jeff can appear before you again to answer some of 66 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 6: your initial questions. Jeff is the only one who's going 67 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 6: to be speaking. He will take questions. Afterwards. He will 68 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 6: go through the charges and list them we'll be right 69 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 6: back to questions and we'll try to do it as 70 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 6: orderly as we can. So we appreciate you being here, 71 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 6: and we appreciate your patience as you go through this 72 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 6: process with us. We'll be right back with you. 73 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 5: Like that was just a preview, So okay, we're waiting 74 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 5: for this. 75 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: I've been told that there is a major update that's 76 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: about to come in the charges on this case. I 77 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: don't want to get ahead of the press conference. Just 78 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: some information I received before minutes before I came on 79 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: camera here today, but information that will lead towards the 80 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: prosecution of this suspect, that will lead towards the overall 81 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: case in of course, the murder and assassination. 82 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 5: My friend of Charlie Kirk. And you know, it's. 83 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: It's quite a thing to be in a position where, 84 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, we do a breaking news show and we 85 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: report on these stories every day, and I wish we 86 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: didn't have to report them every day, but unfortunately that's 87 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the world we live in. And it's a little bit 88 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what the word is. It's just 89 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: it's very different when you're reporting on it on your 90 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: own friend and someone that you were very very close 91 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: to But I know that Charlie would want us to 92 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: be here to continue the work, to continue the fight. 93 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: I know it's exactly what he would do if that 94 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: bullet came at me, if I was out somewhere, And 95 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: I know that Charlie would be there making sure that 96 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: everything was done to make sure that the perpetrator, anyone 97 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: who aided the perpetrator, this evildoer, are all brought to justice, 98 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: anyone giving aid and comfort are. 99 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 5: Brought to justice. 100 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: And also the networks and the assemblage of entities and 101 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the thousands of people cheering, celebrating, rejoicing the death of 102 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: my friend, that they are named, that they are publicly shamed, 103 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: that they pay the social cost for what they are doing, 104 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: all of them, and any organization that is involved in this, 105 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: that's been involved in. 106 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 5: Wandering money for these types of. 107 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Radical domestic terrorist expressions, that they pay the price as well. 108 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: And it's really as simple as that. I do want 109 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: to address something, And. 110 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 5: Of course we'll go back. I'm looking over my shoulder 111 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 5: to see the podium. 112 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: As soon as they walk out, we're going to cut 113 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: directly to that guy's let's blow the brakes. So I 114 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: don't want to miss any second of this. Know that 115 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: the I know that the press conference is going to 116 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: be imminent. 117 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 5: Of course we've got the shot right there. 118 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: But I do want to address something that came up 119 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: from yesterday, and there was this you know, statement or 120 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: thought that's been going around about hate speech. Charlie was 121 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: against hate speech laws. He talked about it right here 122 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: in the studio all the time. It's something he and 123 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: I were a complete lockstep on. I think everyone on 124 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: the crew, certainly on thought Crime, our Thursday show together 125 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: that we talked about. In fact, the very name of 126 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: the show was sort of a play on that the 127 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: Orwellian phrase thought crime, because how could a thought be 128 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: a crime? It is tyrannical to criminalize thoughts and to 129 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: criminalize speech. This is what we're always against. And I'll 130 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: just say this, Charlie Kirk wasn't killed by speech. Charlie 131 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: Kirk was killed by extremists who wanted to silence his speech. 132 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: That's who did this. So let's not get it twisted, 133 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: let's not get over our skis, let's not play games. 134 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: There were people who killed Charlie. There were a movement 135 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: of these people, a social cancer, a social contagion actual people, 136 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: and those are the people and the adherents of this sick, 137 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: extreme ideology of radical Marxism mixed with the radical trans community. 138 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: That's who killed Charlie. And we need to say it 139 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: over and over because I keep seeing and hearing these 140 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: individuals go up on media and go up in front 141 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: of cameras and they won't say the words. 142 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 5: They just won't say the words. It kind of. 143 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: Reminds me of you know, when nine to eleven happened, 144 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: there were so many people who wouldn't say the words 145 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: radical Islam. It wouldn't say it. They just wouldn't say 146 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: the words radical Islam. That's who did it was radical Islam. 147 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Radical Islam was deeply, deeply, deeply the clause. And people 148 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't say they want to play games, they want to equivocate. No, 149 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: can't do that. We're not doing that here. Radical Marxists 150 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: promoting the transagenda did this, as simple as that. And 151 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: how do we know. We know because they wrote it 152 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: on the bullets that were used to kill Charlie Kirk. 153 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: And I, I guess, was involved in a debate with 154 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: one of these radicals yesterday. I actually didn't know I 155 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: was going to be in that debate, and I'm sure 156 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: we'll play some clips of it later, or you know, 157 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: everyone seen them already. 158 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 5: And they wanted to. 159 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: Get pedantic about, oh, which specific bullet was used. They 160 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: were all used, and everyone promoting this stuff played a 161 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: part in the pull of that trigger. It's really simple, 162 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: and so we can see it. And we're done playing 163 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: the games. We're done playing the gotchas, We're done with 164 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: all that crap. 165 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 5: All right, the podium's up, let's go to it. 166 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 6: Ony's findings are up to this point, and then he 167 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 6: will take questions. The number of questions may be limited. 168 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 6: However I may cut it off. I may assist him 169 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 6: in helping to pick the people who are asking the question. 170 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 6: We just ask that you keep the questions to the 171 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 6: process of what we're talking about and refrain from asking 172 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 6: questions that speculate or get into the political dynamic of 173 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 6: the case. For Utah County, this is a murder case 174 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 6: and we're trying a murder case. We're trying to keep 175 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 6: the questions to that. But I understand that you're under 176 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 6: pressure and have a lot of different questions, and we'll 177 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 6: try to answer them. We're joined today by our sheriff, 178 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 6: and our prosecution team, and our county commissioners, that Jeff 179 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 6: is going to be the only one speaking right now, 180 00:12:45,559 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 6: and I'll introduce right now, County Attorney Jeff Gray. 181 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 7: The murder of Charlie Kirk is an American tragedy. 182 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was murdered. 183 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 7: While engaging in one of our most sacred and cherished 184 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 7: American rights, the bedrock of our democratic republic, the free 185 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 7: exchange of ideas in a search for truth, understanding, and 186 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 7: a more perfect union. It is also an offense against 187 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 7: the state and to the peace and enjoyment of the 188 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 7: people of Utah and of all those who visit here. 189 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 7: But Charlie Kirk's murder also strikes a more personal and 190 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 7: intimate court. Charlie Kirk was first and foremost a husband 191 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 7: and a father to two beautiful young children. He was 192 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 7: a son, He was a brother and a friend. Like 193 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 7: all murders, the senseless and needless taking of Charlie Kirk's 194 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 7: life has shattered the lives of those he loved and 195 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 7: those who loved him. To Charlie's wife, Erica, his two 196 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 7: young children, his parents, his family, and his friends, I 197 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 7: express my sincere condolences and offer my heartfelt prayers on 198 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 7: your behalf. I also want to express my concern for 199 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 7: everyone who is at Charlie's Turning Point USA event at 200 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 7: the university or University Utah Valley University, and all who 201 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 7: have been impacted by this tragedy. As County Attorney, I 202 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 7: am charged with bringing justice to those who offend our laws. 203 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 7: I am charged with bringing justice for those who harmed 204 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 7: for those who are harmed. I am charged with bringing 205 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 7: justice for Charlie Kirk. I am committed to these aims. 206 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 7: I take this responsibility seriously. Today, after reviewing the evidence 207 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 7: that law enforcement has collected thus far, I am filing 208 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 7: a criminal information charging Tyler James Robinson, aged twenty two, 209 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 7: with the following crimes. Count one aggravated murder, a capital 210 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 7: offense for intentionally or knowingly causing the death of Charlie 211 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 7: Kirk under circumstances that created a great risk of death 212 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 7: to others. Count two felony discharge of a firearm causing 213 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 7: serious bodily injury, a first degree felony. The state is 214 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 7: further alleging aggravating factors oncounts one and two because the 215 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 7: defendant is believed to have targeted Charlie Kirk based on 216 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk's political expression, and did so knowing that children 217 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 7: were present and would witness the homicide. The state is 218 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 7: also charging defendant with count three obstruction of justice, a 219 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 7: second degree felony for moving and concealing the rifle used 220 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 7: in the shooting. Count four obstruction of justice a third 221 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 7: a second degree felony for disposing the clothing he wore 222 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 7: during the shooting. Count five witness tampering a third degree 223 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 7: felony for directing his roommate to delete his incriminating texts. 224 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 7: Count six witness tampering a third degree felony for directing 225 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 7: his roommate to stay silent if police questioned him, And 226 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 7: counts commission of a violent offense in the presence of 227 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 7: a child a Class A misdemeanor for committing homicide knowing 228 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 7: that children were present and may have seen or heard 229 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 7: the murder, and did so based on Charlie Kirk's political expression. 230 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 7: Also following the press conference, I am filing a notice 231 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 7: of intent to seek the death penalty. I do not 232 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 7: take this decision lightly, and it is a decision I 233 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 7: have made independently as County attorney based solely on the 234 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 7: available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime. Because 235 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 7: we are seeking the death penalty, the defendant will continue 236 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 7: to be held without bail in the Utah County Jail. 237 00:17:52,640 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 7: Turning to the ten page information, these are the allegations. 238 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 7: On September tenth, twenty twenty five, at approximately twelve twenty 239 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 7: three pm, Charlie Kirk was shot and killed while speaking 240 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 7: to a large crowd on the campus of Utah Valley 241 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 7: University in Orum, Utah. Police found the suspected murder weapon, 242 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 7: a Bold Action thirty six rifle, nearby. Over the next 243 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 7: approximately thirty three hours, police conducted a manhunt for the 244 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 7: shooter until the evening of September eleventh, twenty twenty five, 245 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 7: when Tyler James Robinson surrendered to police at the Washington 246 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 7: County Sheriff's Office. DNA consistent with Robinson was found on 247 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 7: the rifles trigger. After shooting mister Kirk, Robinson hid the gun, 248 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 7: discarded the clothing he wore when he fired the rifle, 249 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 7: and told his room to delete incriminating text messages and 250 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 7: not talk to police. Children were present at the time 251 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 7: of the shooting. The shooting, turning Point USA, a nonprofit 252 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 7: organization founded in twenty twelve by Charlie Kirk, organized a 253 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 7: public outdoor event to be held at noon on September tenth, 254 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 7: twenty twenty five, at UVU. 255 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: The event was. 256 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 7: The first in a series of similar events to be 257 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 7: held at college campuses nationwide. Mister Kirk is a well 258 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 7: known conservative activist, famous for these type of events where 259 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 7: he discusses various political issues and debates with audience members. 260 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 7: His events and comments have garnered a significant number of 261 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 7: supporters and drawn the ire of many who disagree with 262 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 7: his political views. The event at UVU was announced far 263 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 7: in advance and garnered significant publicity and interest. Consequently, several 264 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 7: hundred people attended. Mister Kirk was interacting with the crowd 265 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 7: before the event officially got under way. Then, at approximately noon, 266 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 7: mister Kirk seated himself under a portable canopy behind a 267 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 7: table and microphone. He began speaking to the crowd and 268 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 7: fielding questions from attendees, a format mister Kirk commonly used 269 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 7: at his events. Mister Kirk allowed his questionnaires to approach 270 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 7: him a microphone position directly in front of him. Mister 271 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 7: Kirk's team members were very close to him on his 272 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 7: right and left, as well as some behind his canopy 273 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 7: and others at various close locations near him. The large 274 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 7: crowd surrendered surrounded mister Kirk on three sides. Temporary metal 275 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 7: fencing separated attendees from mister Kirk by only a matter 276 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 7: of feet. Directly above and behind mister Kirk was the 277 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 7: UVU Hall of Flags, an indoor walkway spanning several hundred 278 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 7: feet with floor to ceiling glass windows, which overlooked the 279 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 7: plaza where mister Kirk was seated. People were in the 280 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 7: walkway at the time of the shooting. Approximately fifteen minutes 281 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 7: into the event, mister Kirk was answering a question about 282 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 7: mass shootings by transgender individuals when a gunshot rang out. 283 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 7: The bullet struck mister Kirk in the neck. He slumped 284 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 7: to the ground almost immediately. The bullet's trajectory passed closely 285 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 7: to several other individuals beside mister Kirk, including the questioner 286 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 7: who was standing directly in front of mister Kirk. Children 287 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 7: were visible near mister Kirk's stage when he was shot. 288 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 7: Mister Kirk was rushed to a nearby hospital, where he 289 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 7: was declared deceased. The medical examiner's report is still pending, 290 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 7: so UVU surveillance so at the moment of the shot, 291 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 7: a UVU police officer was watching the crowd from an 292 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 7: elevate advantage point. As soon as he heard the shot, 293 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 7: he began to scan the area for threats. Believing the 294 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 7: shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he 295 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 7: looked for potential sniper positions. He noted a roof area 296 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 7: approximately one hundred and sixty yards away from mister Kirk 297 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 7: as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look 298 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 7: for evidence. The suspected shooting position is adjacent to an open, 299 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 7: publicly accessible walkway. To access the suspected law location, a 300 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 7: person must climb over a railing and then drop to 301 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 7: the roof only slightly below The uv officer climbed over 302 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 7: the railing and down onto the roof. He then walked 303 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 7: to the suspected shooting position and confirmed a clear shooting 304 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 7: corridor between the position and mister Kirk's seat. He also 305 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 7: noticed markings in the gravel rooftop consistent with a sniper 306 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 7: having lain on the roof. Impressions in the gravel potentially 307 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 7: left by the elbows, knees, and feet of a person 308 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 7: in a prone shooting position. Police reviewed surveillance from the 309 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 7: camera covering the roof and discovered that it recorded an 310 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 7: individual dressed in dark clothing, crossed the railing from the 311 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 7: public walkway and drop onto the roof at approximately twelve 312 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 7: to fifteen PM. Although the individual moved out of the 313 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 7: camera's view for a short time, the camera again captured 314 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 7: the individual running across the roof and then low crawling 315 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 7: to the area the UBU officer recognized as where the 316 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 7: suspected sniper had dropped into a prone shooting position. After 317 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 7: a short time, which matches the known time of the shot, 318 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 7: the individual arose and ran across the roof to the northeast. 319 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 7: This discovery led to an intensive review of UBU surveillance 320 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 7: recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect. Surveillance 321 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 7: revealed the following At approximately eleven fifty one am, the 322 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 7: suspect entered campus from the north. He is seen wearing 323 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 7: a black shirt with an American flag in the center, 324 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 7: a dark baseball cap, and large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, 325 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 7: the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his 326 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 7: head enough to get a clear image of his face. 327 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 7: As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking 328 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 7: with an unusual gait. The suspect walks with very little 329 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 7: bending in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being 330 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 7: hidden in his pants. This unusual gate continues until the 331 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 7: suspect is seen crossing the railway, off the open walkway 332 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 7: and onto the roof, where he leaves the camera's view. 333 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 7: A camera later captures the suspect as he runs across 334 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 7: the roof to the suspected shooting position. Immediately after the 335 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 7: shot was fired, A camera captures the suspect running across 336 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 7: the roof carrying an item whose shape is consistent with 337 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 7: a rifle. The suspect is then seen climbing down from 338 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 7: the roof. He appears to drop the item he was 339 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 7: carrying as he hits the ground in a controlled fall. 340 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 7: He then picks up the item and runs toward the 341 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 7: northeast end of campus. Expanded crime scene investigation law enforcement 342 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 7: officers followed the suspect's escape path to the northeast end 343 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 7: of campus, where they believed the suspect left campus and 344 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 7: entered a wooded area. 345 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: In that wooded. 346 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 7: Area, investigators found a bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel. 347 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 7: The rifle contained one spent round and three unspent rounds. 348 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 7: This is consistent with the fax officers observed at the 349 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 7: time of and immediately after the shootings. No shell casings 350 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 7: were found on the roof, suggesting a bull action rather 351 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 7: than an auto loading weapon, and only a single round 352 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 7: was fired. Each round in the rifle contained an etched 353 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 7: inscription as follows. The fired cartridge was etched no Tye's bulge? 354 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 7: Oh woh, what's this? The second cartridge that was again 355 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 7: not spent that the last three were not spent, were 356 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 7: not fired. The second hey fascist catch with aero symbols, 357 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 7: The third cartridge, Oh bella chow bella chow bella chow 358 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 7: chow chow. The fourth cartridge. If you read this you 359 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 7: are gay LMAO. The rifle, ammunition, rounds, and towel were 360 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 7: sent for forensic processing. DNA consistent with defendant was found 361 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 7: on the trigger, other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge, casing, 362 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 7: two of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law 363 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 7: enforcement was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they 364 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 7: published photos of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras 365 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 7: and asked for the public's help to identify him. Meanwhile, 366 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 7: law enforcement continued to try to identify the shooter through 367 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 7: other means the Washington County investigation. On the evening of 368 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 7: September eleventh, twenty twenty five, as law enforcement continued their investigation, 369 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 7: Tyler James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's office 370 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 7: with his parents and a family friend to turn himself in. 371 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 7: Robinson's mother stated that the following to police. On September eleventh, 372 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 7: twenty twenty five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother 373 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 7: saw the photo of the shooter in the news and 374 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 7: thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called 375 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 7: her son and asked him where he was. He said 376 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 7: he was at home sick, and that he had also 377 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 7: been at homesick on September tenth. Robinson's mother expressed concern 378 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 7: to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson. 379 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: Robinson's father agreed. 380 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 7: Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, 381 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 7: Robinson had become more political and had started to lean 382 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 7: more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trance 383 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 7: writes oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, 384 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 7: a biological mele who was transitioning genders. This resulted in 385 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 7: several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and 386 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 7: his father, who have very different political views. In one 387 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 7: conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Erk would 388 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 7: be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson said was 389 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 7: a stupid venue. For the event, Robinson accused Kirk of 390 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 7: spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed 391 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 7: him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, 392 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 7: he agreed that it looked like their son. He also 393 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 7: believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used 394 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 7: matched a rifle that was given to his son as 395 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 7: a gift. As a result, Robinson's father contacted his son 396 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 7: and asked him to send a photo of the rifle. 397 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 7: Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson's father spoke on the 398 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 7: phone with Robinson, Robinson implied that he planned to take 399 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 7: his own life. Robinson's parents were able to convince him 400 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 7: to meet at their home. As they discussed the situation. 401 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 7: Robinson implied that he was the sh and stated that 402 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 7: he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it. 403 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 7: When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there was 404 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 7: too much evil and the guy referring to Charlie Kirk 405 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 7: spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson turning himself 406 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 7: in and convinced Robinson Robinson to speak with a family 407 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 7: friend who's a retired deputy sheriff at Robinson's father. At 408 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 7: Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and 409 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 7: his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. The 410 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 7: family friend spoke to police and reported telling Robinson that 411 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 7: it would be best if he brought all evidence with 412 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 7: him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to 413 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 7: search his parents' home. The friend also asked Robinson if 414 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 7: he had any clothes that were related to what he did. 415 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 7: Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in 416 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 7: different areas. The roommate Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological 417 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 7: male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson. 418 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 7: The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from 419 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 7: Robinson about the shooting and he did provide those messages 420 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 7: to police. On September tenth, twenty twenty five, the roommate 421 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 7: received a text message from Robinson which said, drop what 422 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 7: you're doing, look under my keyboard. The roommate looked under 423 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 7: the keyboard and found a note that stated quote, I 424 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 7: had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm 425 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 7: going to take it. Police found a photograph of this note. 426 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 7: The following exchange text exchange then took place. After reading 427 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 7: the note, the roommate responded, what you're joking, right, Robinson? 428 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 7: I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in 429 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 7: Orum for a little while longer yet, shouldn't be long 430 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 7: until I can come home. But I got to grab 431 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 7: my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to 432 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 7: keep this secret till I died of old age. I 433 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 7: am sorry to involve you, roommate. You weren't the one 434 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 7: who did it, right, Robinson? I am, I am, I'm sorry, roommate. 435 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 7: I thought they caught the person, Robinson. No, they grabbed 436 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 7: some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. 437 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 7: I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop 438 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 7: point shortly after, but most of that side of town 439 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 7: got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, 440 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 7: but there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate, Why Robinson? Why did 441 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 7: I do it? Roommate, Yeah, Robinson, I had enough of 442 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 7: his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I 443 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 7: am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have 444 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 7: left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. 445 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 7: Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about 446 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 7: them finding it. Roommate, how long have you been planning this, Robinson? 447 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 7: A bit over a week. I believe I can get 448 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 7: close to it, but there is a squad car parked 449 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 7: right by it. I think they already swept that spot, 450 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 7: but I don't want to chance it. Robinson Again, I'm 451 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 7: wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon 452 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 7: as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my 453 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 7: old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. 454 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 7: ID e k if it's had a serial number, but 455 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 7: it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I 456 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 7: had to leave it a bush where I changed outfits, 457 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 7: didn't have the ability or time to bring it with 458 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 7: I might have to abandon it and hope they don't 459 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 7: find prints. How the F will I explain losing it 460 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 7: to my old man. Only thing I left was the wrapple. 461 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 7: Was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how he 462 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 7: was engraving bullets. The FN messages are mostly a big meme. 463 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 7: If I see notice bulge UWU on Fox New, I 464 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 7: might have a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have to 465 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 7: leave it. That really FN sucks. Judging from today, I'd 466 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 7: say Grandpa's gun does just fine. IDK, I think that 467 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 7: was a two k dollar scope. Wink wink, Robinson, Robinson again, 468 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 7: Delete this extrame again, Robinson. My dad wants photos of 469 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 7: the rifle, he says. Grandpa wants to know who has what. 470 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 7: The Fed's released a photo of the rifle and it 471 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 7: is very unique. He's calling me Rn not answering Robinson. 472 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 7: Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard. Maga, Robinson. 473 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 7: I'm going to turn myself in Willingly. One of my 474 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 7: neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you 475 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 7: are all I worry about. Love that came from Robinson roommate. 476 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 7: I'm much more worried about you. Robinson. Don't talk to 477 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 7: the media. Please don't take any interviews or make any comments. 478 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 7: If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, 479 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 7: and stay silent. The search for Robinson's residence, please executed 480 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 7: a search warrant on Robinson's residence. In that search, police 481 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 7: discovered a shell casing with etchings like the etchings found 482 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 7: on the shells in the rifle near Uvu. Police also 483 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 7: found several target boards with bullet holes in Robinson's home. Now, 484 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 7: as I stated in the beginning, when I read those allegations, 485 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 7: these are allegations, and like the evidence set forth in 486 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 7: this statement, those allegations what you've heard from the media, 487 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 7: even from state and federal officials, has not been tested 488 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 7: in the crucible of a jury trial. I understand the 489 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 7: public's desire to know the facts. My own family members 490 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 7: have pressed me for information. Why are we reluctant to 491 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 7: share the details of the investigation itself and comment on 492 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 7: the case. Because I want to ensure a fair and 493 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 7: impartial trial. I became a prosecutor because of my love 494 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 7: for the ideals of this great country and the principles 495 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 7: embedded in our constitution. The free exchange of ideas and 496 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 7: opinions is critical to this great American experiment. But so 497 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 7: too are the protections afforded to the accused found in 498 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 7: the Fifth and sixth Amendments. The right against self incrimination, 499 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 7: the right to a speedy and public trial, the right 500 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 7: to the effective assistance of counsel, the right to confront 501 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 7: one's accusers, and the right to compel, the attendance of witnesses, And, 502 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 7: perhaps most importantly, under our constitution, the accused is presumed 503 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 7: innocent until we the state, prove to an impartial jury 504 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 7: of defendants his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That jury 505 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 7: cannot rely on our allegations, on what they hear in 506 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 7: the news, or on what they hear from a public official. 507 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 7: The jury is the sole trier of fact, and they 508 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 7: will ultimately determine those facts based on evidence a trial 509 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 7: judge has determined is admissible. Again, as prosecutors, we bear 510 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 7: the burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But 511 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 7: make no mistake, we welcome this burden. I'd like to 512 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 7: now introduce to my trial team who will be charged 513 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 7: with prosecuting the case. This is a veteran and expert 514 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 7: team of some of the state's best trial attorneys, Chad Grunander, 515 00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 7: who is one of my two chief deputies, Ian McBride 516 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 7: and David Sturgel on the far right there, and those 517 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 7: two were very much involved in preparing search warrants. Did 518 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 7: a phenomenal job, work day and night to see that 519 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 7: accomplished well after he was Robinson was taken into custody. 520 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 7: Also Lauren Hunt, she is one of our special Victims prosecutors. 521 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 7: And Chris Ballard, my second chief deputy, who will be 522 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 7: handling motions. I'm gonna explain just the procedural steps. We're 523 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 7: not a grand jury. We don't have a grand jury 524 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 7: system like the federal courts do. It's a preliminary hearing system. 525 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 7: So the arrest and filing of the criminal information are 526 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 7: merely the first steps in the criminal justice. Today, at 527 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 7: three PM, the defendant will appear before a judge in 528 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 7: the Utah Fourth District Court for his first appearance to 529 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 7: be informed of these charges and to ensure that he 530 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 7: has an attorney to represent him. The hearing will be brief. 531 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 7: The judge will conduct that first appearance virtually via WebEx 532 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 7: This is not unusual in the Fourth District. All felony 533 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 7: first appearances for defendants who are in custody are held virtually. 534 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 7: A link to that hearing is available for media on 535 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 7: the Utah State Court's ex account at Utah State Courts. Now, 536 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 7: following defendant's first appearance, he will be entitled to a 537 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 7: preliminary hearing. 538 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 2: At that hearing, the. 539 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 7: State will be required to show probable cause that defendant 540 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 7: committed the crimes. The purpose of the preliminary hearing is 541 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 7: not to determine guilt, but simply to assure the court 542 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 7: that the prosecution has enough evidence to proceed to trial. 543 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 7: If a judge finds probable cause and binds the case 544 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 7: over for trial and arraignment hearing will be held. At 545 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 7: that hearing, a judge will again inform defendant of the 546 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 7: charges against him and require him to enter a plea 547 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 7: to each charge. The next sittep. The next step following 548 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 7: the arraignment is an opportunity for the parties to file 549 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 7: any relevant motions and then ultimately the trial itself. This 550 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 7: case has generated a tremendous amount of interest across our 551 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 7: nation and even the world. The public's desire for information 552 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 7: is understandable, but it bears reiterating that this case will 553 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 7: be tried in a court of law consistent with our Constitution, 554 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 7: not the court of public opinion. Thus, we will only 555 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 7: discuss with the press. Discuss the case with the press 556 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 7: occasionally will not be a day to day or even 557 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 7: week to week occurrence, but we will only do so 558 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 7: in a manner as not to jeopardize the fair trial process. 559 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 7: Before I conclude, I want to express my appreciation for 560 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 7: the tireless work of our local, state, and federal law 561 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 7: enforcement officers. 562 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 2: They have an. 563 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 7: Extremely difficult, dangerous, and often thankless job. I'm proud to 564 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 7: acknowledge the exceptional work they do every day, and particularly 565 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 7: their work on this case. It was truly a marvel 566 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 7: to witness. Their skilled work and dedication have brought us 567 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 7: to this point. I'm also grateful for the leadership demonstrated 568 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 7: by Beau Mason, the Commissioner of the Utah Department in 569 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 7: Public Safety, FBI Special Agent and Charge Rob Bowles, Utah 570 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 7: County Sheriff Mike Smith, our local police chiefs, and Police 571 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 7: John Viddie, the acting US Attorney for the District of Utah. 572 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 7: I'm also grateful for the support of our Governor Spencer 573 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 7: Cox and our Attorney General Derek Brown, who is standing 574 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 7: behind me today and has offered his support and resources 575 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 7: as we proceed to trial. Finally, I want to thank 576 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 7: our Utah County Commissioners Amelia Powers Gardener, Brandon Gordon, and 577 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 7: Skuyler Beltran. They too have pledged to assist with the 578 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 7: resources needed to successfully prosecute this case. I will now 579 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 7: take a few questions. 580 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 6: For questions, leadies and gentlemen, just really fast, if you 581 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 6: could identify yourself in what organs, If your investigation uncover 582 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 6: any individuals that may have known about this shooting in. 583 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 7: Advance, they are still looking in It's an undergoing investigation. 584 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 6: So it's that a possibility. 585 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 4: They haven't ruled that out, ed Lavendara with CNN. The 586 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 4: text message is the exchange with the roommate. Can you 587 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 4: can you give us a sense of did that happen 588 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 4: over several hours? Did that happen before? 589 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 2: I don't have that information. 590 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 7: I decision to def indefdently. 591 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 8: Did you hear also on this one administration or causes 592 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 8: of administration as you were. 593 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 2: Working on sports? 594 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 7: I talked to officials from both administrations, but I was 595 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 7: not pressured to make a decision. I understood their feelings 596 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 7: on it because it was in the news, but we 597 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 7: didn't really discuss that. 598 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to. 599 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 7: Stick to what I just stated in my public uh, 600 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 7: in my in our information, I think that is pretty 601 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 7: much set forth. 602 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 8: There to file additional charges against anyone else in connection 603 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 8: with this. 604 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 7: Again, we don't have any information at this point of 605 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 7: additional suspects, but I know that, uh are our law 606 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 7: enforcement agencies are continuing to follow leads. 607 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 3: Other people, a number of people being investigated and interrogator. 608 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 2: So it seems that there are people who might be 609 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 2: of the I'm not. I'm not. 610 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 7: I can't come in on that. I'm not aware of 611 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 7: all their investigation. I just know that, uh, these agencies 612 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 7: are continuing to investigate this case and follow all leads. 613 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 7: That's up to the FEDS. They have different charges and 614 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 7: they're they're reviewing the evidence, and after they review the 615 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 7: evidence and the law, they could file charges. But I'm 616 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 7: not privy to exactly what they're looking. 617 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: Atmate, the governor roommate is cooperating. But could we. 618 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:28,359 Speaker 7: See charges again, I'm not prepared to answer that question. 619 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 7: It's it's part of our code, and so we charged that. 620 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 7: Ultimately a judge will determine that at trial. Again, I'm 621 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 7: not going to comment on that okay online that some 622 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 7: say radical. I am not aware of that information. That's 623 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 7: again still under investigation. I am not going to comment 624 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 7: on that. I am not gonna comment on that. 625 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 6: Evidence to the public. 626 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: Your team has been very, very measured and what is 627 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 1: that well? 628 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 7: As attorneys, we typically like to control that information to 629 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 7: preserve an impartial uh jury and an a fair trial. 630 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 7: Excuse me, I don't have that information. What the family 631 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,400 Speaker 7: said is is what I provided. 632 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 2: Do you guys, uh? Do you anticipate that. 633 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 4: Utah County and how will you respond about that? 634 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 2: From where? 635 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 7: From Utah County? That the defense will be from Utah County? 636 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 2: Uh? I. I couldn't predict what they're gonna do. 637 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 4: The timing of the shot. 638 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 7: And the question that was asked transfenders is that for 639 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 7: they coincidents. 640 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,320 Speaker 2: That will be for a jury to decide. 641 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 6: The roommate I know part of this attack? 642 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,839 Speaker 2: What's the whatever? 643 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 7: Again, I'm not gonna comment on the evidence. Again, I'm 644 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 7: not gonna comment on other than the facts that I 645 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 7: er or the evidence that we've gathered so far. 646 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 4: Uh here in the press conference. 647 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 7: Uh, I don't believe so I this is part of 648 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 7: a public document that we have to file. As we've 649 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 7: file a criminal information, we have to file a probable 650 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 7: cause statement that's a public document, and so we're comfortable 651 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 7: with that. 652 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on that either. 653 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 7: What I I can't share any more than what I've 654 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 7: already said. 655 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: Do you have any evidence that he went places to 656 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: practice or have tract in? 657 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 7: The evidence that I'm willing to share is what I 658 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 7: just read in our statement and it's in there. 659 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 6: Going to have to cut it off there. 660 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 7: Okay, I'm not going to comment on that. 661 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 6: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 662 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: All right, Jack Posovic, we're back live Human Events Daily 663 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: First Reactions. 664 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 5: Death penalty. 665 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: Death penalty is being sought. It's obviously appropriate here because 666 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: of the heinousness of this act. And you heard that 667 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: from the prosecutor. I love this prosecutor, by the way. 668 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: I thought this guy was incredible. I'm also joined now 669 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: in studio by Blake Neff, who's not only an expert 670 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: on all of this, but Blake, you were about ten 671 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: feet away when when all of this happened. Blake, do 672 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: you believe that the death penalty is appropriate in this case? 673 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 8: I really, do you know? Charlie and I would discuss 674 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 8: that issue what it would be merited for, if it 675 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 8: was merited for anything. But what I think is especially 676 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,320 Speaker 8: important is this is you know, we always heard that 677 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 8: line from people like this is an attack on our democracy, 678 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,800 Speaker 8: and they would use that to describe any number of things. 679 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,399 Speaker 5: But if you want to be real, like the. 680 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 8: Realest possible attack on our democracy or whatever you are, 681 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 8: republic you want to have is actual like civil violence, 682 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 8: like violence for political ends in public like that. 683 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 5: And you have a person who because. 684 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk advocated a worldview, a way of life, a 685 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 8: set of policies, whatever you want, that he went out 686 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,319 Speaker 8: and he advocated for something that he disagreed with. So 687 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 8: he took a rifle, He went upon a building, he 688 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 8: scoped out what he wanted to do, how to do it, 689 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 8: waited for Charlie to show up there, and he shot 690 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 8: him dead. And something like that is a cancer that 691 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 8: needs to be ripped out of the body politic because 692 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 8: not a homicide, you mildly. 693 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna ask, So can you so 694 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: how do you differentiate because obviously we have homicide statutes, 695 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: but this is quite literally something very different because you know. 696 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: So of course people were saying, oh, it's you know, 697 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: he was just some thirty one year old podcaster. You know, 698 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't stop the whole world for when 699 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: when somebody dies. But it is different, isn't it. 700 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 8: It's it's also like, it's an act of actual terrorism. 701 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 5: Yes, it is an act of terrorism. 702 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 8: It is that this person went out said something we 703 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 8: disagreed with, advocated for something we disagree with, so we 704 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 8: will kill him to send the message that you could 705 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 8: be killed too if you do the same thing. Which 706 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 8: is an active or the original or the way Destiny 707 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 8: said to me yesterday. Yeah, the original terrorism was that 708 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,800 Speaker 8: the first show yesterday describe it came on, is killing 709 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 8: these people to instill terror in our enemies? And that 710 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 8: is again it's it is a cancer that you must 711 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 8: amputate from society. 712 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 5: And the only way you do that is you. 713 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 8: Go and you don't merely shunt this person off to 714 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,359 Speaker 8: a prison where they can get visitors, where they can 715 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 8: write letters, where they can radicalize others. Yeah, where they 716 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 8: can radicalize other way, it can become some sort of icon. No, 717 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 8: you have to say it is unacceptable that this person 718 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 8: remain alive within our body. 719 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 1: Politics, and and specifically I heard the prosecutor again and 720 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 1: again mention the fact that not only were children present, 721 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: but that the killer knew that children would be present, 722 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: and because they had to witness it themselves, that that 723 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: is in itself an aggregating, an aggravating factor which warrants. 724 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 5: The death penalty. Yeah. 725 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 6: I like that. 726 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,439 Speaker 8: I like that they're clearly taking this series because there's 727 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,800 Speaker 8: so much there's so many opportunities to fly off half cocked. 728 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 8: You're not, you know, they come up with an idea 729 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:47,959 Speaker 8: that sounds really cool. 730 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 5: They clearly had an inn. They were like, no, they 731 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 5: had a whole team of people. Look at this statute. 732 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 5: We were hearing about this, you know. 733 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,439 Speaker 8: When I was we were talking to them with concern, like, okay, 734 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 8: are we also making sure we investigate others who might 735 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 8: have known about the And a line we were hearing 736 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 8: was they're making sure they can charge this guy. And 737 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,920 Speaker 8: I thought it was the kind of I'm rolling my 738 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 8: eyes at that a little bit. But we also come 739 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 8: to understand that here they were making sure we're not 740 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 8: going to just charge this person with murder. We are 741 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,720 Speaker 8: going to make sure we have multiple avenues for aggravated murder. 742 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 5: So we're hearing it over and over again. 743 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 8: This was done at a public event, there were children 744 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 8: present at it, there were people near Charlie when he 745 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,879 Speaker 8: was shot. So they're trying to include, Yes, indeed, they're 746 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 8: trying to include all these different ways that if you 747 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 8: look at the Utah statute for aggravated murder, it includes 748 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,760 Speaker 8: risk of killing other people besides the victim and the attacker. 749 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 8: Correct which children being present? Target in any way, you know, 750 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 8: law enforcement involvement. There's all these different factors, and they 751 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 8: were repeatedly hitting like three or four of them. They 752 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 8: were also throwing in all of the obstruction stuff. And 753 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,480 Speaker 8: I think all those additional penalty charges besides the murder 754 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 8: are going to be important because that's how you'll get 755 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 8: additional potential accomplices. Like you know, maybe you didn't collaborate 756 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 8: in the murder itself, but you collaborated in covering up 757 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 8: the murder. You knew about this conspiracy, you did not 758 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 8: report it to the police. That's all going to be important, And. 759 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: That in itself, knowing about a crime and not reporting 760 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: it is a gray area, to be clear, and so 761 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: culpability is a very you know very specific legal question, 762 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,919 Speaker 1: and so I'm just saying I don't want to say 763 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: anything about anyone who's involved in this until we know 764 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,359 Speaker 1: for sure. That's all I'm saying. And and so that 765 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,440 Speaker 1: has to be very carefully investigated. We are coming up 766 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: on a on a break here, so I'm just going 767 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: to say that, and we are going to extend. And 768 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,320 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you to Real Mercer's voice 769 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: for allowing us to do this, because I mean, we 770 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,600 Speaker 1: have to respond to what what happened here to the 771 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,440 Speaker 1: man who sits in this chair and the charges that 772 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: have now been brought in his killing. And this is right. 773 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: This killer deserves the death penalty. And I'm going to 774 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,480 Speaker 1: say something else too. No plea deals, No plea deals. 775 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to see anyone from the Governor's office, 776 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, whoever it is, coming in and saying, 777 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe do a plea deal and we 778 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 1: take it off the table. No. No, you take this 779 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: to trial. You put this in front of a jury, 780 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,480 Speaker 1: and justice will be done. Simple as that. There's no 781 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: off ramp here because you know what, you know who 782 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 1: didn't get an off ramp. Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk didn't 783 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: get an option to have an off ramp. Charlie Kirk 784 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: didn't get a question, Charlie Kirk didn't get to go 785 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: up and plead his case. No, he got none of that. 786 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: So we're not going to provide that to this killer. 787 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: Put him on trial, look at his. 788 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 5: Day in court, and then we'll see what happens. 789 00:57:58,880 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 7: Right now