1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: Hold ahead. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: He got jacked. 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 3: This is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 3: and Gilbert Parry's. 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 4: Gonna score touchdown Slim to the ground by Buddha Baker 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 4: Like a torpedo. 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 5: He came flying into the backfield. 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: The rage is brought to you by santan Ford and 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Gilbert right on the Price right on the corner of 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: the Santan two to two Freeway in bal Vista Seek 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: your Ticket to Great Seats and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: Visit Azycardinals dot Com Slash podcast. 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 6: A Red Seats, Rising Up, Jimper your Rising Vision Flurry Rage, 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 6: take it over. 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Here's Paul Calvic. 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 7: I'm ready. I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 7: I'm ready. And Ron Woopley. 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better than that. 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 5: A singular player in Cardinals history, Pat Tillman was one 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 5: of the most unique people to ever walk amongst us. 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 5: In fact, a statue stands outside the Cardinals stadium for 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 5: all to see, but very few know what's displayed inside 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 5: Cardinals HQ. A very special big Red Rage. We call 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 5: it our Cardinals Folktales Legendary Locker Edition, The story behind 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 5: the saving from an almost certain destruction of Pat Tillman's 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 5: locker back in the day. You know, Cardinals Folktales Wolf 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 5: it's number one in the series, the story and rightfully 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 5: so of Pat Tillman's legendary locker that is now behind 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 5: glass outside the Cardinals Locker room, essentially a museum piece. 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 5: And you also know, how what we like to say 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 5: about Cardinals Folktales, this Emmy Award winning series, that you 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: can't spell history without the word story. But what about 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 5: the word folktale? What does that mean to you? How 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 5: would you define it? 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Pauli, that is a great question right there. Well, 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: first of all, folk tell it's got to be a story, 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: So it's got to be a story about a human being, 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: and it's got to be a story about a human 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: being doing legendary things. That to me is my definition 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: of a folk. 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: Tell And that would definitely define Pat Tillman, someone where 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 5: football did not define Pat Tillman. 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 7: We both know that. 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 5: We both go back to the days when he was 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 5: a star at ASU and then a Cardinal's draft pick, 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 5: and to this day. Look, we're both asked about Pat 48 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 5: Tillman I know you are. And what do you say 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 5: when people ask you about the late great Pat Tillman? 50 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: You know, for the most part, Polly, I just say, 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: let me tell you a story, because this really defines 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: who he is right here. And I tell him the 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: story about when I ran into Pat Tillman who was 54 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: walking out of a bowling alley pushing a ten speed 55 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: a bike with him, and I thought it was so weird. 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: I said, hey, Pat, what's up man? How you doing? 57 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: You know? And he said hello? And I said, Pat, 58 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: what'd you do? Did you ride your bike here? And 59 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: he said to me, yeah, I did. As a matter 60 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: of fact, I said, what do you live around here? 61 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: He said no, I live about ten miles that way. 62 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: I said, you rode your bike here and he said, yeah, 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm training for a triathlon. Paul, I remember that trainy. Yes, 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: he was training for that. And I was like, Tilly, 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: what are you doing? I mean, you're an NFL player. 66 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: Don't you have enough challenge right there? He said, why 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: are you doing that? And he said, I just wanted 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: to test myself and challenge myself. That just blew me away, Paul. 69 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: And yet it says so much about Pat. 70 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 5: He does In fact, all the Cardinal's strength coaches at 71 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 5: the time said, no, don't do it. That's counterproductive to 72 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 5: being a football player. The explosion you need. You don't 73 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 5: want to run marathons and do triathlons. And you know 74 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 5: what Pat did it. Anyway, Look, if you asked me 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 5: about Pat Tolman, I think of the epitome as someone 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 5: who thought for themselves, right, Yeah, they felt was ultra 77 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 5: important to educate yourself in so many different ways. He 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 5: had that insatiable curiosity about him. You know, you think 79 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: about Pat Tillman, not just the football player, but the 80 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman scholars as someone who had a three point 81 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 5: nine gpa at ASU. 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 7: He was always driven. 83 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 5: By seeking knowledge, right, the need to experience life, and 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 5: what he got out of his twenty seven years you 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 5: can only hope to get out of a full lifetime 86 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 5: compared to Pat Tillman. 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me Paully too, it's just I've got 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: to bring it back, man, I got to bring it 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: back to the white lines, the football field, the grid 90 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: iron and mother grid iron and how tough Pat Tillman 91 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: truly was as a football player. I'm sorry. I know 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: what he did and the way he gave his life 93 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: for our country in service to so many others. But 94 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: for me, the fact that he walked in between those 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: white lines as well and endured so much and absorbed 96 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: so much damage while giving damage on the football field, 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: to me so impressed with him. That's my number one 98 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: takeaway from Pat. 99 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 5: He still holds the Cardinals all time record for tackles 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 5: in a season, more than two hundred and twenty tackles 101 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 5: in a single season. 102 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 7: Think about that. 103 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 5: This is a seventh round pick in nineteen ninety eight. 104 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 5: He came out as a tweener. He was the Pac 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 5: twelve Defensive Player of the Year at ASU, But where 106 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 5: was he supposed to play in the NFL? So he 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 5: lasted to the seventh round. Remember his first training camp 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 5: as a rookie Wolf We were in Flagstaff. He came in, 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: he was held bent on making a statement. He was 110 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 5: telling him, you need this physicality, you need my mentality, 111 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 5: and he defied the odds. He made the team and 112 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: then started ten to sixteen games as a rookie. 113 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: And then, of course his leadership and how he would 114 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: impact others. Paul guys around him were inspired by Pat 115 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: for so many different reasons. 116 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 5: We know his football career, we know his status as 117 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 5: an American hero, and we're going to get into all 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 5: that and his entire story how his legacy really is 119 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 5: captured in Pat Tillman's legendary locker. When we come back 120 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 5: on this very special edition, our Cardinals Folktales edition of 121 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert 122 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: and welcome back everyone into the Big Red Rage presented 123 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: by santan Ford and Gilbert. 124 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 7: We are Santan Ford. 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 5: I'm Paul Calvic And as we noted off the top, 126 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 5: our game plan revolves around an encore presentation of Cardinals' 127 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 5: folk Tales, where we like to say it can't spell 128 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 5: history without the word story. Well, if you were to 129 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: go from the Cardinals radio studio about fifty yards to 130 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 5: my left, you would hit the Cardinals locker room, and 131 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 5: before you enter, you would see a locker behind glass. 132 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 5: And there's a reason why that locker once belonged to 133 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman. So as we look at the makeup of 134 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 5: NFL rosters and we see long shot players and low 135 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 5: round picks who might be able to defy the odds, 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 5: it's hard not to think of the greatest Cardinals example 137 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 5: of that. Ever, at least to me, Cardinal's seventh round 138 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 5: pick in nineteen ninety eight, Pat Tillman. He was far 139 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 5: from a lock that year. He's considered a tweener between 140 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: a linebacker and a safety. But he had a plan 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 5: make the coaches take notice. And as someone who covered 142 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 5: Pat both ASU and the Cardinals, it was impossible not 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 5: to notice Pat. If it wasn't the hair flowing out 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 5: of the helmet, it was just his style of play 145 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 5: with total abandon. I mean, he didn't just wear pads, 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: he used him. So although we might know Pat's story, 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: what's the story behind the locker that was seconds away 148 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 5: from total demolition? Well here's that story, Cardinals folk tales, 149 00:07:53,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: legendary locker. Every year, NFL teams conduct their fight for 150 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 5: fifty three. That's the size of an NFL roster, fifty 151 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 5: three players, and those names will always vary year to year, 152 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 5: peck week to week. But the Arizona Cardinals have a 153 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 5: fifty fourth locker and that name plate will never change. 154 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 8: Pat Tilman talk about a guy with a lot of heart. 155 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 9: Passion is kind of an important word for me, whether 156 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 9: it's you know, playing sports, or whether it's you know, 157 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 9: just living or whatever you're gonna do, you should, in 158 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 9: my opinion, you should be passionate matter why do it. 159 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 10: He was pretty legendary just for being the guy he 160 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 10: was that being true to himself, challenging people around him, 161 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 10: you know, never being dull or just taking things for 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 10: granted or being complacent. He was always searching for knowledge. 163 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 11: I think it was important to save the locker. As 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 11: time goes by, you start to forget about things that 165 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 11: happen in history. 166 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 12: I didn't want. 167 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 5: Pat to be forgotten, legendary locker with the forever nameplate 168 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman. 169 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 7: This is Cardinal's Folktales. 170 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 5: Presented by seventy two sold where we go in depth 171 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 5: into Cardinal's history all time anecdotes through the personal recollections 172 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 5: and memories of those who lived in We hear their words, 173 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: their voices. My name is Paul kelvic Up covered the 174 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 5: Cardinals since late nineteen ninety five, the end of the 175 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 5: Buddy Ryan era. I've been the Cardinals sideline reporter since 176 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 5: two thousand and five, and as I can attest, you 177 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: may think you know some of these folk tale stories, 178 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 5: but as I found out, as even team historians have 179 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 5: found out. We don't like this story, this folk tale 180 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 5: revolving around the most widely known figure in Cardinal's history, 181 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman, and how his legendary locker was saved with 182 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 5: a last second interception from a buzzsaw literally by a 183 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 5: longtime staffer. 184 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 11: I didn't really get the idea to kind of preserve 185 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 11: the locker until two thousand and six. I always put 186 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 11: it in the back of my head, like, I want. 187 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: To save this locker. That would be kind of cool. 188 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 11: And I just didn't know when the renovations would take place, 189 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 11: and I would sit Marry lunch at Oreganos and they're 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 11: taking place. So I had to do something. 191 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 13: When you know the cliche, if you cut somebody open, 192 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 13: they bleed, Cardinal red. That's Almo. So it was fitting that, 193 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 13: you know, he would be the one that has his 194 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 13: finger on the pulse of that and in the moment 195 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 13: immediately recognizes how significant this is to preserve. 196 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 5: Before we get to that locker, the museum piece on 197 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 5: display showcase for all to see at Cardinals HQ, we 198 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 5: need to understand Pat Tilman. Notice how we didn't say 199 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 5: the football player Pat Tillman, because Pat was so much 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 5: more than an athlete Pat Tillman. 201 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 14: What can I say? Just all around good guy, not cocky, 202 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 14: very confident, soft spoken, like the sing Desperado, and liked 203 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 14: that movie immediately. 204 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 10: I kind of liked him. Me on long hair, He 205 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 10: didn't dress nice. He was just such a unique, genuine 206 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 10: dude that people, you know, were endeared to him. 207 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 15: He was a different kind of guy. You know, he 208 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 15: was a flower child if you will you know. Of course, 209 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 15: at the time, I didn't have any clue that he 210 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 15: would go on to to come to hero that he became. 211 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 15: But you know, he was a different type of dude. 212 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 15: He would ride his bicycle to practice every day. 213 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 5: Those are the voices of former Tilman teammates Larry Senters, 214 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 5: Jake Plummer, and all started by former linebacker Mark Maddox. 215 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 5: The thing is, if you asked Pat to talk about himself, 216 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 5: something he seldom did, I'm not sure that football player 217 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 5: would have made the top three things he'd say about himself. 218 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 5: To know Pat was to know that Pat was about 219 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 5: the next achievement, the next challenge, the next curiosity. Longtime 220 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 5: Cardinals beat writer in Arizona Republic columnists Ken Summers. 221 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 16: As a player just to the point of borderline. Is 222 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 16: this guy human? I mean, can a human actually play 223 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 16: that hard and have such disregard for his body and 224 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 16: play the game that way? And never? I mean there 225 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 16: was just one speed, you know, one gear there was 226 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 16: you know. Steve McGinnis used to say that the guy 227 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 16: has a switch, not a dial. You know, you just 228 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 16: flip it on and it's the same speed. 229 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 5: When Pat put on the pads he used him, he 230 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 5: was all in. Like everything else he did. Pat never 231 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 5: did anything half speed, even when the drills were designed 232 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 5: to be half speed. That was Pat in his first 233 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: NFL training camp as a seventh round tweener, just hit 234 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 5: anything and everything that moved. 235 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 7: I watched it in person. 236 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 5: I covered that nineteen ninety eight training camp in Flagstaff. 237 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 5: I watched the decision makers take notice that the guy 238 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 5: in the football uniform belied the dude in the surfer 239 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 5: shorts and the flip flops. Here's former Cardinals wide receiver 240 00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 5: Frank Sanders. 241 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 17: I think probably deserved flip flops and a surfboard somewhere 242 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 17: in some Oakley shorts. And I had a real nice 243 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 17: golden hair, and that's it. Like playing football. Never seemed 244 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 17: like he should be there until he put on his pads, 245 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 17: put on his pats. A different person showed him, I 246 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 17: understand you hit pretty hard. 247 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Now a different guy in the. 248 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 7: Middle of the field that falls into the plate. 249 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 11: Wow, off comes the helmet of the attended receiver as 250 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 11: he gets crushed back there by Pat Tilman. 251 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 7: Pat Tilman the blade. 252 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 10: He knocked him right in the helmet with a forearm 253 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 10: and just slapped. 254 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 15: That helmet off. Even as a rookie, we used to 255 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 15: have to call him off, you know, some some practices 256 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 15: we were you know, just fit up on the guy 257 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 15: with the ball. But he would come in and demolish 258 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 15: the guys, which was a really good tactic, and it 259 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 15: worked out great for him because he got to coach 260 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 15: his attention. 261 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 10: He brought that scenement kind of few mentality to the Cardinals. 262 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 10: I mean, rookies don't hit receivers in Ota days. 263 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: But he would lay some. 264 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 10: Wood on a guy or like put an elbow in 265 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 10: him and get in fights. And he really up the 266 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 10: competitiveness during practice where guys didn't like him because he 267 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 10: would hit you or rough you up, or do what 268 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 10: he whatever he felt he needed to work on, and 269 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 10: they ended up respecting him because it made everybody's level 270 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 10: come up. He was a tone setter. 271 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: Let's just say that Pat would routinely exceed the perceived 272 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 5: practice speed limit. But that's how Pat forged an NFL career. 273 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 5: That's how Pat made the Cardinals as the two hundred 274 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: and twenty six player taken in the nineteen ninety eight draft. 275 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 5: How he caught the coach's attention even though he was 276 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: the reigning Pac ten Defensive Player of the Year. But 277 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 5: at the NFL level, was he still a linebacker? Was 278 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: he fast enough to be a safety? Pad made sure 279 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 5: none of that mattered, because all he did was turn 280 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: guys into tackling dummies that entire camp, even though it 281 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 5: landed him in the NFL's version of a coach's time out. 282 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 5: Former Cardinals head coach Den Stoven. 283 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 18: And the one I remember was a wide receiver that 284 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 18: he got in a fight with and ended up having 285 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 18: to throw them both off the field because they every 286 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 18: time the play started whether they'd be a fight between 287 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 18: those two at the end of the play, and so 288 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 18: I sent them out. 289 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: But as vin Stobin himself would admit later, the Cardinals 290 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 5: needed that mentality that Pat Tillman brand of physicality and 291 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: fight that Tilman too, because remember the Cardinals were still 292 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 5: in the same division with those Cowboys teams coming off 293 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 5: Super Bowls and physical East Coast teams from tough towns 294 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 5: playing bullyball like the Giants and Eagles and Washington once again. 295 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,479 Speaker 5: Former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer. 296 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 10: You look at someone like him who was similar to me. 297 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 10: We were too small, too slow, not strong enough, not 298 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 10: smart enough, all these excuses for why we shouldn't be 299 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 10: there yet we just you know, we threw that all 300 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 10: side and said, yeah, we're supposed. 301 00:15:59,520 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: To be here. 302 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 9: He congratulated me, and I guess he was one of 303 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 9: my advocates. 304 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 7: He was talking me up, So what the hell? Where 305 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 7: are you all right? Thank you, appreciate your help, Jake. 306 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 9: He said that I gotta give him fifteen percent of 307 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 9: whatever I get because of his good talk, so it 308 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 9: might not be much. 309 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 10: So we had that chip on our shoulder and that confidence, 310 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 10: that quiet confidence about ourselves and belief in ourselves. So 311 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 10: we were kindred spirits right away. 312 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 18: Pat became a football player simply because of will and determination. 313 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 18: He wasn't really big enough, strong enough, fast enough to 314 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 18: play in the National Football League, but he willed himself 315 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 18: to become a good enough football player to overcome those limitations. 316 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 5: And it's something that Pat had already done plenty of 317 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 5: define the doubters. A quick personal note, I covered Pat 318 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 5: during his years at ASU and then his early years 319 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 5: were the Cardinals. Before that, I'd known of Pat through 320 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 5: our high school alma mater, Leland High School in South 321 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 5: San Jose. We were both from the Alminant Valley, which 322 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: you might have seen featured in some of the Pat 323 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 5: Tillman documentaries. His future father in law was my high 324 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 5: school baseball coach. We were seven or eight years apart 325 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 5: or so, and I still remember my dad called me 326 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 5: during Pat's senior year of high school. Hey you guess 327 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 5: what he said? Leland is in this section title game. 328 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 5: And I cut off my dad. I say, come on, now, Pop, 329 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: have you been drinking more of your red wine again? 330 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 5: Come on say no, no, no. They've got this Tilman kid. 331 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 5: He's a running back and nobody can tackle him, and 332 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 5: he's a better middle linebacker. 333 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 7: He's all over the field. 334 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 5: So when people talk about Pat's ability to inspire and 335 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 5: lift others, people rightfully cite the fact that the last 336 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 5: time ASU went to the Rolls Bowl. It was Pat 337 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 5: Tillman and Jake Plummer. During Pat's rookie year in the 338 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 5: NFL nineteen ninety eight, the Arizona Cardinals won their first 339 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 5: playoff game in half a century. And my response is always, 340 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 5: you know what, though, Pat's greatest team achievement was leading 341 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 5: his high school to a because, believe me, did you 342 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 5: agree of difficulty there? Pat's high school hasn't come close 343 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 5: to winning before or after Pat. 344 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 19: Both towers so the World Trade Center have been hitched 345 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 19: by aircraft. 346 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 7: Both are in flames. 347 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 5: It's a black smoke coming from both of the towers. 348 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: It's a horrific scene here. 349 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 16: There are fire crews just screaming into this area from 350 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 16: every conceivable direction. 351 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 8: You know, times like this you stop and think about 352 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 8: just how not only how good we have it, but 353 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 8: what kind of a system we live under, What freedoms 354 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 8: were allowed? 355 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 9: You know, my great grandfather was at Pearl. 356 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 8: Harbor, and a lot of my family has given up, 357 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 8: you know, has gone and fought in wars. And I 358 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 8: really haven't done a damn thing as far as laying 359 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 8: myself on the line like that, and so I have 360 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 8: a great deal of respect for those that have and 361 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 8: what The flag stands. 362 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 5: For the voice of Pat Tillman. September twelfth, two thousand 363 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 5: and one, the day after the horrific events of nine 364 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 5: to eleven. In fact, on September eleventh, Pat Tilman was 365 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 5: at the Cardinals facility and he wandered through the media 366 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 5: area and sat down to watch the news coverage as 367 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 5: it unfolded. 368 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 7: With Cardinals beat writer Darren Rban. 369 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 20: He was like, what we do playing in the NFL? 370 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 20: He goes, We're worthless, We're actors. He goes, that means nothing. 371 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 20: This is this is so much bigger than that. 372 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 11: There's probably no better time to talk about a guy 373 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 11: who took nine to one one to heart and made 374 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 11: a life changing decision based on his feeling something he 375 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 11: felt he needed to do. 376 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 21: It was sort of the you know, man bites dog story, 377 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 21: like this doesn't make any sense. He's right on the 378 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 21: verge where in discussions with his agent about potentially extending 379 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 21: his contract and he decided I'm going to walk away 380 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 21: from this. But you know, it was just six months 381 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 21: after nine to eleven, and it was only three weeks 382 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 21: after he got married to Marie as high school sweetheart, 383 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 21: and it was about one week after they got back 384 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 21: from their honeymoon. He joined the Army up in Colorado 385 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 21: and then went on to become, you know, part of 386 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 21: the Rangers and one of. 387 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: The leaders Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. As Pat had just 388 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 5: set a team record for tackles in a season, his 389 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 5: jersey was worn by fans all over town. Plus there 390 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: was the business of football, as Pat was on the 391 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 5: verge of cashing in on a mega contract and he 392 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 5: literally left it all behind. 393 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 16: My reaction was was just I was like, I just 394 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 16: kind of had this big smiling and started laughing to myself, 395 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 16: like this is completely believable. I mean, I did not 396 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 16: expect him to join the army, but as I process it, 397 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 16: I'd like, yeah, Okay, of all the guys in professional 398 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 16: sports in the world, he's the one who would do that. 399 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 5: Pat would leave that Cardinals locker room to join a 400 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 5: different team with a different plan, defending his country and 401 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 5: his former teammates. Remember the reactions like it was yesterday. 402 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 5: Frank Sanders, Jake Plummer, and former head coach Vince Toban. 403 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 17: I saw Pat coming out of the building, and I 404 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 17: was coming in where the players are only going in 405 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 17: the lower area. I was coming into the gates he 406 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 17: was going out and say, Pat, you doing what's up 407 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 17: with your contract? He said, Bro, I'm probably gonna go 408 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 17: to the military. I said what he said, I'm gonna 409 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 17: go to the army and be arranged with my brother. 410 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: So what you go do? 411 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 17: What I want to serve my country, That's what I'm 412 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 17: gonna do. I say, brother, God bless you. 413 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 10: I just kind of like that sounds like, Pat, what 414 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 10: can you do? I remember getting a call from Mike Devlin, 415 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 10: who is my center my rookie year and now is 416 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 10: a coach with the Cardinals. He said, Hey, you got 417 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 10: to call Pat. He's he's about to do something that 418 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 10: you know, I don't know if he should do this. 419 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 10: It's you know, he's giving up all this money and 420 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 10: giving up the game, and I don't know. You should 421 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 10: give him a shout. And I kind of chuckled because 422 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 10: I was like, if Pat makes his mind up, he's 423 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 10: made this decision and his wife hasn't changed his mind, 424 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 10: and what good am I going to be to go 425 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 10: try to change his mind. I'm not going to piss 426 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 10: him off before he goes to fight for our country. 427 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 10: I gave him a hug and told him I love him. 428 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 10: He'd be safe out there, man, because there was no 429 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 10: change in his mind. 430 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 18: Well, he's all in. He believed in what he believed 431 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 18: in and believed it very strongly and acted on what 432 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 18: he's bleased where a lot of people have blafed, but 433 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 18: they don't act on him, and he did no matter 434 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 18: what he was doing, whether he's on the field or not. 435 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 10: He believed in himself so much so that he did 436 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 10: something that no one could fathom he would do and 437 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 10: go give up millions of dollars to go fight for 438 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 10: our country. Well, for Pat, it was just life. That 439 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 10: was what life was about, was doing what you believed 440 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 10: and living your life. 441 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 5: And what's amazing is as media friendly as Pat was 442 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 5: as a player, all the interviews that Pat did when 443 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: he was at ASU. 444 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 7: And the Cardinals. 445 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 5: You can search the internet all you want, good luck 446 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 5: trying to find any interview that Pat did as a soldier. 447 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 5: Once again in Summers from the Arizona Republic. 448 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 16: One of the things that really resonated with me was 449 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 16: his refusal to talk about it ever. It's like, I'm 450 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 16: not in it for that, I'm not in it for 451 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 16: the stories, I'm not in it for a future movie 452 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 16: or to set myself up for business later. I have 453 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 16: my reasons for doing it. I'm not going to share them. 454 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 16: They're my reasons. 455 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 5: So Pat left his Cardinals locker behind for a foot locker. 456 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: One more aspect of a person who could have done 457 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 5: virtually anything he set his mind to, and quite often 458 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 5: Pat did just that. Former teammate, a longtime Cardinal staffer, 459 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards, on Pat's selfless act. 460 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: To serve that's humility. I choose to serve my country. 461 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: I choose to go disc route instead of this one. 462 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: The more popular vote would be stay where you at, 463 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: continue to do what you're doing. But he didn't feel 464 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: that was enough. That wasn't satisfying to him, so he 465 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: chose the other. 466 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 5: And that's former Cardinals receiver Anthony Edwards, who said it 467 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 5: so well in Cardinals' Folktales that Pat was all about 468 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 5: service to his team, to his community, to his country. 469 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 5: I think, like a lot of media members, we walk 470 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 5: into that Cardinals locker room, you can still hear Pat's laugh, 471 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 5: you can still picture him with his teammates. And it 472 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 5: was that locker of Pats that was spared the wrecking 473 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 5: ball from the demolition crew in last second dramatic fashion, 474 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: and when we come back, we'll hear how that locker 475 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 5: saving play, how it unfolded, how Pat's lasting legacy is 476 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 5: memorialized in other ways as we continue with his encore 477 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 5: presentation of Cardinals Folktale's Legendary Locker on the Big Red Rage, 478 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 5: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, 479 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 5: and welcome back to our special encore presentation of Cardinals 480 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 5: Folk Tales Legendary Locker Here on the Big Red Rage, 481 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 5: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. 482 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 7: We are Santan Ford. I'm Paul Calvi. 483 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 5: Seen if you go to State Farm Stadium, you'll see 484 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 5: the Pat Tillman statue. There's Pat Tillman's name and number 485 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 5: in the ring of Honor. At Cardinal's headquarters, there's Pat's locker. 486 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 5: And that's what we're talking about here tonight, the legendary 487 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 5: locker and last we left you here during Cardinal's Folktales, 488 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman was making that selfless decision to leave football 489 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 5: and a multi million dollar contract behind to serve his country. 490 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 5: As we know, Pat lost his life in action while 491 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 5: serving with the Army Rangers in Afghanistan. 492 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 7: And not only hit. 493 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 5: All of us in Arizona heard a lot of us 494 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 5: vividly remember that April morning, but our nation mourned as well, 495 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 5: and we pick up the story of how Pat's legendary 496 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 5: locker still stands today with a salute from Tom Cruise 497 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 5: at the ESPIS. 498 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 6: The news came out of Afghanistan that an athlete turned 499 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 6: soldier was gone. And when we heard the news on 500 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 6: that April day, it stopped us all in a long 501 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 6: and profound silence. And we all know why, because Pat 502 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 6: Tillman was a transcendent figure in the life of this nation. 503 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 5: Word of Pat Tillman's death came out early on the 504 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 5: morning of April twenty second, two thousand and four. Fans 505 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 5: created memorials at the Cardinals facility and in Pat's hometown 506 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 5: of San Jose. I remember waiting a line at Sun 507 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: Devil Stadium to pay respects at an impromptum memorial. The 508 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 5: news hit with the ferocity of a Tilman tackle, and 509 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 5: it struck owner Michael Bidwell and fullback Larry Centers the 510 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 5: same way. 511 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 21: It was a I mean, it was a gut punch 512 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 21: kicked to the stomach, and I remember I was I 513 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 21: was standing in my closet that day, getting ready for 514 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 21: work and to head into the office, and my phone 515 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 21: rangked you know, said shivers down my spine, and we 516 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 21: realized it's going to be shocking news to everybody. 517 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 15: I was in Dallas on the golf course. I was 518 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 15: playing with a couple of guys who played in the NFL, 519 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 15: and one of them got a call or a text 520 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 15: and said, hey, man, Pat's him just died in Afghanistan. 521 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 15: It was a jaw dropping moment. I remember exactly where 522 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 15: I was, like. I'm sure a lot of the teammates 523 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 15: can tell you exactly what they were when they heard 524 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 15: the news. 525 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 5: As news traveled through the Cardinals facility, it reached the 526 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 5: locker room longtime trainer John Omahandra. 527 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 19: It weighed on us, impacted us a lot, and thought 528 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 19: started going through my mind a way that we could 529 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 19: memorialize him or remembering in some fashion in the training room. 530 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 19: I went down to pr asking him to give me 531 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 19: a photo of Pat. I took it and had it framed, 532 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 19: put it up over the tape table. So every day 533 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 19: everybody that came in got overseen by Pat, and the 534 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 19: guys would get up on the table to get taped 535 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 19: and they could maybe this past thought on trying to 536 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 19: live up to his standards of toughness and dedication, being 537 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 19: a warrior, just all the things that Pat was. 538 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 5: The Tilman player photo that John Almahundro referenced, well, if 539 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 5: you walk into the training room today, that frame picture 540 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 5: sits in this same exact spot, just like it did 541 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 5: days after Pat's death. 542 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: I think there's a wow factor to it. 543 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 11: For instance, JJ Watt when he signed with the Cardinals, 544 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 11: he took a picture. 545 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 7: In front of it. 546 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 11: It means something to him. He's very familiar with the story. 547 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 11: He's involved with the Pat Tillman Foundation. 548 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 12: I've obviously long been a fan of Pat Tillman. What 549 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 12: he stood for, who he was, and everything about his 550 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 12: legacy is unbelievable to me. So to be here, to 551 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 12: be walking the same halls that he walked and to 552 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 12: see his locker was special for me. 553 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 11: It made me feel good to see him, the guy 554 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 11: of his level, standing in front of that and it 555 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 11: means something to him. 556 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: That's the voice of Jim o'mahundro, longtime Cardinals broadcast producer 557 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 5: more than two decades on the job. While his father, 558 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 5: the aforementioned John Omahandro spent forty two seasons as a 559 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 5: Cardinals athletic trainer. A couple of other longtime Cards employees, 560 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 5: Darren Urban and Deve Pash, give us the scattered report 561 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 5: on Omo. 562 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 20: I would paint Jim o'mahundro in this way he works 563 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 20: for the team, but I in a lot of ways, 564 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 20: Cardinals DNA is literally in him. 565 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 11: So I've been around the Cardinals my entire life. My 566 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 11: dad was an athletic trainer for the team for forty 567 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 11: two seasons. I like to say I was negative nine 568 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 11: when he started with the team, and so I was 569 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 11: literally born into this organization. I couldn't imagine it any 570 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 11: other way. 571 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 4: Cardinal football means so much to him. Outside of the 572 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 4: Bidwells who grew up with Cardinal football, I can't think 573 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 4: of anybody who has a closer connection than the Bidwell 574 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 4: family than the Ola Hundro family because of the time 575 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: and the energy that's been spent rooting for the team. 576 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: So when people ask how exactly did the Tilman locker 577 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 5: end up encased in glass when every other locker is 578 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 5: no moss, Well glad yes, because remember earlier the story 579 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 5: that we thought. 580 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 7: We knew, but didn't. Well. 581 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: Here we go twenty fifteen. The Cardinals locker room. It's 582 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 5: a hard hat area, not your typical football helmets, but 583 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 5: construction workers. 584 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 11: It's a day after the Super Bowl, kind of slow 585 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 11: around the facility. So I come over here to a 586 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 11: Reganos used to get a normal lunch, so I ordered 587 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 11: a slice and a salad and I'm waiting for the food. 588 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 11: So I'm scrolling through Twitter. I see a tweet by 589 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 11: Darren Urban that alerts me to the renovation starting at 590 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 11: our tempee facility. So I freak out. There's a photo 591 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 11: with a destroyed locker on the ground. So I had 592 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 11: ordered my lunch, it hadn't come yet, and I'm like, 593 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 11: I got to get out of here. So I throw 594 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 11: twenty dollars down onto the table and I'm out of there. 595 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 11: I just run to my car, drive down, get to 596 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 11: the facility, run through the parking lot, run through the auditorium, 597 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 11: the weight room, the training room, step into the locker room. 598 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 11: The carpet is all torn up. The glue from the 599 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 11: carpet is there and it rips my shoe off my foot. 600 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 11: So I'm hopping around the corner to see two lockers 601 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 11: on one wall and about four lockers on the other 602 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 11: there's a guy with a saw walking directly for Pat 603 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 11: Tillman's locker. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't 604 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 11: cut that one out. That's Pat Tillman's locker. So that's 605 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 11: what happened and prevented it from being destroyed. 606 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 5: And that is quite a series of events. I mean, 607 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 5: think of how razor thin that margin was. One more 608 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 5: stop like Peruns or almost stopping to unglue his shoe, 609 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 5: and that Tilman locker would have been turned into lumber. 610 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 5: That got the attention of Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. 611 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 21: Found out an hour after it happened that Jim Olmahunter 612 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 21: was walking through and said, wait, don't touch that. And 613 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 21: so we're like, okay, we don't know what to do 614 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 21: with it right now, but we're going to do something. 615 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 21: And then because we were doing a renovation of the building, 616 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 21: we looked for an area where we could put it, 617 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 21: and the designers found what I think is a perfect 618 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 21: entry area right outside the locker room. So it's it's 619 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 21: a perfect area and it's really a landmark within our 620 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 21: building and serves as an important reminder for his sacrifice 621 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 21: but also his spirit. 622 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 11: Everybody who goes out to the practice field, they walk 623 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 11: by it. Everyone who comes in from the practice field, 624 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 11: they walk by it. And if you look at the 625 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 11: old foot front of the locker room, it's literally on 626 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 11: the other side of the wall, kind of diagonal from 627 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 11: where it was, and I think that's pretty cool. It's 628 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 11: kind of hollow ground in a way. 629 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 5: Remember it'd been over a dozen years since Pat had 630 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 5: left his locker, so over those years a number of 631 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 5: other players use that locker. 632 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 11: Pat's final year in the locker room was two thousand 633 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 11: and one, so every year after that, I would kind 634 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 11: of look to see who had that locker, and I'd 635 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 11: make it a point to go up to him and say, Hey, 636 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 11: you know who's locker you are sitting in, And they're like, 637 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 11: who said Pat Tillman. Some of them looked at me 638 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 11: like I was nuts, Like what this is Pat's locker now? 639 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 11: Some that come to mind, Gabe Watson, former defensive tackle. 640 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 22: O Mahandro told me, you share the same locker that 641 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 22: Pat Tillman had. I'm like, are you serious? You know 642 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 22: you hear the stories behind them, and there's only a 643 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 22: few people that can say shared the same locker it's 644 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 22: just honored to just be in any company with him. 645 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 11: John Fullington was a reserve offensive lineman who was the 646 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 11: final occupant of Pat's locker, and he was genuinely touched. 647 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 11: I told him, and he he was just like, I'm honored. 648 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 11: He didn't know what to say. So, you know, you 649 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 11: see guys that maybe had that locker. Then you see 650 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 11: guys that in future years will walk past that locker 651 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 11: and you kind of get the idea of what they 652 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 11: might feel about it. 653 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 5: You know, the first time you see Pat's locker on display, 654 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 5: and as someone who sees it on a daily basis now, 655 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 5: it is a heck of a first impression that makes 656 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 5: for a lasting impression. Here's VPM meter relations Mark Dalton, 657 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 5: followed by former Cardinals Larry Centers and Anthony Edwards. 658 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 13: When you get to that spot, it's almost a universal reaction. 659 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 13: People just stop and conversation ceases and they just take 660 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 13: it in and there's like a a solemn moment of reflection, 661 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 13: which is really cool. 662 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 15: Keeping his legacy alive. I think that's a big step 663 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 15: in the right direction. You know, the generations go on 664 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 15: and the people the players come, and the players go, 665 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 15: but to see him immortalize in that way and appreciated 666 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 15: by the organization. I think that's a really good move 667 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 15: of the team. 668 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: It's a reminder as a player that's leaving out of 669 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: the locker room going to the practice field, here's someone 670 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: that was dedicated, committed to excellence in whatever he did. 671 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: Just let us do the. 672 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: Same thing and take it to the field today and 673 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 2: be our very best. So it comes as a reminder 674 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: of us striving for excellence. 675 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 11: Each time a guy walks by, they're gonna see Pat 676 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 11: and his locker there, and remember, you know, hey, you 677 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 11: could be having a crappy day. You could be complaining 678 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 11: about little things, and then you see that and you 679 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 11: check yourself a little bit. Say, Okay, there's thousands upon 680 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 11: thousands of men and women all over the world, our country, 681 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 11: and you know they can't afford to have a bad day. 682 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 11: We can afford to have a bad day. 683 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 4: So you've got it pretty good. 684 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 5: In the NFL, everyone is looking for impact players in 685 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 5: Cardinals team history, and that is going back more than 686 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 5: a century. Not a single player on the field and 687 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 5: off combined is at a bigger impact than Pat Tillman. 688 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 14: Pat Tillman was all about team and if you can 689 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 14: walk past that and not get something inside of you turning. 690 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 14: We got some issues. 691 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 4: Go back to the whole idea of you know, it's 692 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 4: not what you say in life, it's what you do. 693 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: And we can all talk, but ultimately it's what we do. 694 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 4: And I think the lasting legacy of Pat Tillman is 695 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 4: this is someone who did, who believed in something and 696 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 4: was willing to risk his life for it. 697 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 5: It's voice of the Cardinals day pass preceded by former 698 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 5: Cardinals linebacker Mark Maddox make an impact players today when 699 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 5: they see Pat Tillman's locker, it says, challenge yourself to 700 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 5: do as much with your life as Pat did in 701 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 5: his twenty seven years. To me, that's what Pat's locker 702 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 5: stands for, and that's why it still stands today for 703 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:19,959 Speaker 5: all to see. 704 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 10: To me, when they keep his locker alive and his 705 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 10: legend alive there, it's telling the players to like, live 706 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 10: your trueness, to be who you are, and like, hey, 707 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 10: you know, don't go against the grain just because you 708 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 10: want to go against the grain. But if you have 709 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 10: a feeling and it's a thought and it's something you 710 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 10: believe in, and if it's against the grain, do it 711 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 10: and trust yourself, because Pat was like that. 712 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 5: And there you have it, Cardinals Folk Tales, legendary locker, 713 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 5: the one locker that will never change nameplates, the same 714 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 5: locker where we used to witness Pat reclined between practices, 715 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 5: taking a snooze to refresh for what was next. And 716 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 5: that's just one tribute to Pat's greatness that seemingly everyone 717 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 5: has a story. In fact, I'll share a quick one 718 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 5: with you here. I knew a guy at Asu, went 719 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 5: to school with him, and he told me years later 720 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 5: that he was Pat's next door neighbor for a spell. 721 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 5: One night he got home from work, he pulled into 722 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 5: his driveway and he couldn't help but notice there's Pat 723 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 5: on his roof. His buddy of mine gets out of 724 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 5: his car. He's half stupefied and he yells out. 725 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 7: Ay, Path, what are you doing on your roof? 726 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 5: And Pat looked at him, just watching the sunset, dude, 727 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 5: just watching the sunset. 728 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 7: And that was Pat. 729 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 5: He took nothing for granted, and he inspired to do 730 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 5: the same. But how do you convey that, how do 731 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 5: you pass that along? How do you honor that? Well? 732 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 5: The Cardinals do just that every day. By putting Pat's 733 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 5: locker on display at their training facility. Thanks for joining 734 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 5: us everyone. I'm Paul Calvic. This has been Cardinals s 735 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 5: Folktales Legendary Locker presented by seventy two Soul. Thanks for listening. 736 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: You know it's. 737 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 5: Stories like that, and so many people have stories regarding 738 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman. 739 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 7: That's how his legacy lives on today. 740 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 5: If you go to the Pat Tillman Foundation website and 741 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 5: they state out Pat's life and principles and service, that's 742 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 5: his true legacy. How Pat's family and friends started the 743 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman Foundation to carry forward that legacy. If you 744 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 5: go two days after his passing, it was the NFL 745 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 5: Draft two thousand four and then Commissioner Paul Taglibu wore 746 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 5: a black ribbon with Tilman's name on it and a 747 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 5: helmet pin with his number forty. And there was Paul 748 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 5: Tagliabou while flanked by five Marines and Madison Square Garden, 749 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 5: and he told the audience quote, Pat Tillman personified the 750 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 5: best values of Americans in the National Football League. And 751 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 5: we know Pat's legacy is personified by Pat's Run, which 752 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,959 Speaker 5: is held annually in tamp And when we come back. 753 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 5: We'll bring back and talk with Ron Wolfley, who covered 754 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 5: Pat watched all those games from Sun Devil Stadium, both 755 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 5: ASU and the Cardinals. As we continue with this encore 756 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 5: presentation of Cardinals Folk Tales Legendary Locker presented by santan 757 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 5: for In Gilbert. And welcome back to this very special 758 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 5: edition of the Big Red Rage, Our Cardinals Folk Tales 759 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 5: Legendary Locker Edition, all presented by Santan ford In Gilbert, 760 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 5: Paul kelvc Ron wolf Ley, and the story behind the 761 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 5: saving literally saving Pat Tillman's locker from a certain destruction 762 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 5: within seconds. 763 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 7: Wolf we heard the story man. 764 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 5: Of our own executive producer, longtime producer for the Cardinals, 765 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 5: Jim al Mahandro. He saw a picture posted by Darren 766 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 5: Urbin of the renovation of the Cardinals locker room, and 767 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 5: he just ran a four three forty out of the 768 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 5: restaurant where he's having lunch, and if he would hit 769 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 5: one more stoplight, he probably wouldn't be able to make 770 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 5: it in time back into that locker room to save 771 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman's locker. And as we say, there's fifty three 772 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 5: players on an NFL active roster, and then the Cardinals 773 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 5: have designated their fifty fourth locker where the name plate 774 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 5: will never change. It is behind glass, and it's quite 775 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 5: a story as to as it all transpired. 776 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, Pauli, you know what's incredible you stop and think 777 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: about it, man, And just the fact that Jim Almahandro 778 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: would be the guy, he would be the guy that 779 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: would actually burst in and save Pat Tillman's locker. You 780 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: know what a historian he is. He's the best game 781 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: day producer on the face of the planet. Yet at 782 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: the same time, this guy is a historian man for 783 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: Cardinal football. And the fact that it was him who 784 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: actually came in and stopped them from literally cutting right 785 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: into that locker and everything that has happened to that locker, 786 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: since that's exactly what a folktale is, man, this is 787 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 1: a folk tale about a folk tale legendary acts by 788 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: human beings. 789 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 5: You know, players to this day see it for the 790 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 5: first time and it stops them in their tracks. Yes, 791 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 5: JJ Watt most recently when he showed up, he stopped 792 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 5: that very locker. Dennis Gardak. We've talked to gard Deck 793 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 5: the Barbarian about it, have we not? Wolts you know 794 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 5: he current players, you know, most of them are so young, 795 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 5: they've only read books about Pat Tillman. But it's what 796 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 5: that locker says to them, and to listen to them 797 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 5: tell it, Welf. It essentially means, Okay, can you get 798 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 5: as much out of your life out of your career 799 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 5: that Pat Tilman did? A guy who was barely drafted 800 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,280 Speaker 5: a seventh rounder and then went on to achieve so much, 801 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 5: not only in football, but obviously in life itself. 802 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, I love that, Paully. That is a great thought, 803 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. You know, you think of 804 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: Pat Tillman though the statue of course, is what I 805 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: think of at State Farm Stadium and the Tilman Tunnel 806 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: at ASU, and you know, just the the legendary impact 807 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: that this has had on so many football players and 808 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: so many Americans. The ultimate sacrifice of Pat Tillman and 809 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: what he did for this country and for everyone who 810 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: serves this country, and for his teammates as well. It's 811 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: truly inspiring. 812 00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 22: Yeah. 813 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great point about the State, the Tilman Tunnel, 814 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 5: how about the bridge and the Arizona Nevada border named 815 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 5: after Pat Tillman. The USO centers worldwide, I know, it 816 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 5: was a couple of years ago. I was like the 817 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 5: fifth assistant coach for my son's little league team. Right, 818 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 5: everyone had to introduce themselves and they said, what do 819 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 5: you do for a living? And okay, and who have 820 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 5: you interviewed? Who have you interviewed? And I named Larry Fitzgerald, 821 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 5: Randy Johnson, old timers like Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, Lebron James. 822 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 5: But when I named Pat Tillman, everyone stopped and everyone 823 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 5: wanted to know more about Pat Tillman. That's how his 824 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 5: name resonates even today. 825 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: Truly, just an incredible human being. Paully, I know that 826 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: you and I over the years, of course, have talked 827 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: about our relationship just knowing Pat Tillman from time to time, 828 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: and the respect and the regard that we have for 829 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,720 Speaker 1: him can't be measured with human hands. 830 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 5: When my son was born, actually I bought him a jersey. 831 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 5: It's the only jersey I've ever purchased for him, and 832 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 5: it's a Pat Tillman jersey because it's about so much 833 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 5: more than football. Football did not define Pat as he 834 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 5: went under service country and his status now as an 835 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 5: American hero. 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