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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back today we got mister First Team

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Speaker 2: All Defense, the Grindfather, checking in from his OG's new

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Speaker 2: podcast setup.

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Speaker 1: Ta.

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Speaker 3: What's good?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Nothing was just chilling man. You know, great to be

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Speaker 4: here right now, Man signing the plus here with.

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Speaker 3: Your cool lass checking it live live from the Truth Lounge.

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Speaker 3: Welcome brother, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Muslim bro Muslim.

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Speaker 2: So for today we're going to talk about the birth

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Speaker 2: of Grit and Grind. You said you still live in

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Speaker 2: Memphis today. There's no reason to leave.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You're probably the most beloved man in the city of

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Speaker 2: Memphis currently and that all started in twenty ten when

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Speaker 2: you got there. I think when you have to talk

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Speaker 2: about Memphis, you got to start in Boston because you

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Speaker 2: kind of brought that with.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait a minute, Dyling, Wait a minute. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think we have an announcement. We have an announcement

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Speaker 3: dealing just don me you know what I mean? Since

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Speaker 3: he's live from the Truth Lounge. Congratulations, Ta, I heard

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Speaker 3: you have been nominated for All Team of Starting five

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Speaker 3: at the Club, isn't it? You know your O g

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Speaker 3: P P has named you in the all time starting five.

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Speaker 3: So before we get to all seriousness, congratulations on being

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Speaker 3: named top five.

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Speaker 4: Give it up because I definitely, I definitely was a

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Speaker 4: heavy participant in the club. Yeah, nice game, to the drinks,

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Speaker 4: to the everything in the way.

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Speaker 3: We're just finishing up from finding some minor details. But

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Speaker 3: your plaque is on the way from being on the

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Speaker 3: first team. Yeah, go ahead, Sorry about that. Then we

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Speaker 3: had to get that out of the way.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean that that itself.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations first off, and I think that's actually a good

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Speaker 2: transition point to start about your introduction to the league.

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Speaker 2: You get drafted to the Celtics in two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: and talk about a cast of veterans that you enter

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Speaker 2: the league with, Paul Pierce, Gary Payton, Antoine Walker, Ricky Davis.

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Speaker 2: I think that chemistry was probably built in part at clubish,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. But what was your introduction to the league

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Speaker 2: and what was it like having those four legends as

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Man, it taught me a great deal of confidence. Man,

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Speaker 4: Having confidence was mainly, you know, the biggest thing of

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Speaker 4: it all. More importantly starting out before that though, you know,

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Speaker 4: I had ran into Paul Piers, in Las Vegas at

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Speaker 4: the Summer League. And you know he came in there

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Speaker 4: being Paul Piers the truth. You know, I was. I

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Speaker 4: was kind of like starstruck it. But he came in there.

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Speaker 4: You know, he had the bank roll in his hand.

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Speaker 4: You know, the first thing he looked at the rookies.

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Speaker 4: It was like, I came to see some excitement.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 4: I got two hundred for anybody who give me some dunks.

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Speaker 4: I got two hundred dump. I looked to the side,

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Speaker 4: I said, you got two hundred for what. Now, imagine

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Speaker 4: we ain't getting paid in the Summer League. You know

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Speaker 4: you probably get some them, but you ain't getting no cheese,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it was like, damn,

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Speaker 4: hold on, wait, man, I think I'm about to go

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Speaker 4: get me some dunk. He giving out two hundred dollars

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Speaker 4: of dunk, and man, as soon as he said that,

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Speaker 4: I went off the rip got me like seven dunks

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Speaker 4: in the road. He After the game, I went and

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Speaker 4: told Pee, I say, Pete, I need my bread. He say,

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Speaker 4: don't worry about a young fella. He ended up giving

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Speaker 4: me like two grand I'm like, okay, I like Pete,

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Speaker 4: man pe a good vet already and he was like, man,

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Speaker 4: I like you, young fella. He's like you ready for

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Speaker 4: the task. And from then on, man, I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 4: it was it was just me and him locked right in.

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Speaker 4: But coming to training camp and you know, having a

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, be cause he told me,

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Speaker 4: he always tell me, young fella, Young fella, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: get it to you in a forty eight mini game.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna need you.

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Speaker 4: To take care of all this practice caps off like

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Speaker 4: I honered that. And then Twine, for the most part,

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Speaker 4: he was from the crib. I had been growing up

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Speaker 4: being around Twin. He from the city of Chicago, seeing

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Speaker 4: them at the program. You know what I'm saying, trying

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Speaker 4: to go against him at the program. You know, cats

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Speaker 4: at our program, we try to go at the league

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Speaker 4: guys at the time. And so I had got a

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Speaker 4: the young fellas too. When he sees us, you know,

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Speaker 4: drop us bread off. You know, let us, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, uh twin and uh. As far as Ricky Davis,

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Riggy Davis was turned up. Man.

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Speaker 1: I just and to carry yeah, and just to carry

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Speaker 4: All those guys you know, came in with and with

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Speaker 1: Picked up from all of them, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, man, yo, when I get on this court,

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Speaker 4: I'm the best person on the court.

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Speaker 1: I believe that. And I man, that was one of

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Speaker 1: the introductions right there, just having that confidence, man.

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Speaker 3: And this defensively, just being that you said Paul, you

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Speaker 3: said Ricky Davis. That's two different dynamic offensive players. You

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Speaker 3: anything you learned from g or Twine or from guarding

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Speaker 3: actually accelerated you? As you know, our top notch defender

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Speaker 4: I played on that second team. On that second unit,

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Speaker 4: we called it the White squad, and we basically had

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Speaker 4: I had to guard Ricky and Paul, you know, because

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Speaker 4: Doc would keep Doc would keep the sixth man on

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Speaker 4: the rest of peace, Justin Reed, it's my dog. It

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Speaker 4: And I took I took heat into Paul Pierce one

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Speaker 4: And uh, it was my introduction to the step back.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately I played good defense. And at the time

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Speaker 4: I was pretty much thought I was an offensive groogle myself.

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Speaker 4: But uh, just that challenge right there, you know him,

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Speaker 4: you know, probably winning majority of those ones. I never

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Speaker 4: confidence is everything. You know, it'd be days. You know,

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Speaker 4: I come in and try to get that early, get

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Speaker 4: finish his condition and getting his weight room work out

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Speaker 4: and now waiting on him. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: I would be you know, up for the challenge at

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Speaker 4: all times. But yeah, he he basically I would give

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Speaker 4: his my defensive my defensive mechanism that I got now

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Speaker 4: I mean guarding him. It was just like, man, I

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Speaker 4: would be ready for anybody in the league that would

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: His step back is different than everybody's step back anyway,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, the nature traditional step back. His'

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Speaker 3: got different time of slow. He got that Rallo shit

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Speaker 3: to it, you know what I mean. It's almost uncleist.

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Speaker 3: So if you can get to pay some piece, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: I was talking.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes he has step back right and you'll think he's

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Speaker 4: stepping back. When he's stepping back. He had just keep

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Speaker 4: going with that triple because he just moved. He make

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, And so I would love those matchups. Man,

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Speaker 4: it would be me jay Ree Scalabrini, uh and sometimes Perk.

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Speaker 4: I ain't gonna let big Perker get in there sometimes

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Speaker 4: and man, it was just it was just that was

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Speaker 4: Pete energy. Man, Pete coming in there. I need to

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Speaker 4: give my troops ready, come on, who want to who

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Speaker 1: Once?

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Speaker 4: And then everybody just be charged up to play ones

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll give a big shout out the truth

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Speaker 1: for that, though.

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Speaker 2: I think that's such an underrated part of player development,

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Speaker 2: is who do you enter the league playing in practice?

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of the young guys you don't see

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that you came in kind of an offensive player,

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Speaker 2: and you also mentioned your knee injury. If we fast

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Speaker 2: forward to two thousand and seven, the year before KG

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Speaker 2: and Ray get there, you're probably playing like the best

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Speaker 2: offensive ball of your career. You're averaging nineteen points a

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Speaker 2: game over like a one month stretch, and then there's

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Speaker 2: a game in Indiana and you tear your ACL on

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Speaker 2: a dead ball. Man, how much I mean, first off,

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Speaker 2: one of the most just unfortunately timed injuries ever. But

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Speaker 2: you end up getting back to the court like nine

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Speaker 2: months later and playing seventy five games. An amazing rehab

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Speaker 2: process and turnaround time How did that nine months off

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Speaker 2: the court rehabing change who you are as a player,

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Speaker 2: because you know, you probably never reached those offensive numbers

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Speaker 2: such an amazing career. What did that injury do to

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Speaker 4: Well, honestly, it kind of broke me spiritually. I kind

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Speaker 4: of ask God every day, like what why me? Why me?

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Speaker 4: I was having an amazing game. Man, I was going

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Speaker 4: against one of my top players, one of my favorite players.

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Speaker 4: Stack You always under this swagger, always liked this rawness,

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Speaker 4: it was stack Jack man. He represented that realness and

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Speaker 4: uh he was considered one of those defensive players at

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Speaker 4: the time, a three and D kind of guy, and uh,

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Speaker 4: I kind of I was like, I had like nineteen

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Speaker 4: points going to the free throw line that plate, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, I'm busting stack Jack. And then when

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Speaker 4: I blew past him, I was feeling good. And uh,

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Speaker 4: you know at the time, Bron had to Bron had

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Speaker 4: he reached back.

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Speaker 1: I kind of felt like I was in that mold.

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Speaker 4: I kind of felt like bron at that moment because

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Speaker 4: I was like, yo, it's like six minute, five minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I stopped, but yeah, conte that that.

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Speaker 4: Coach Sutton man and his program, it was definitely defensive magic.

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Speaker 2: What was the process of establishing that culture in Memphis?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know if people understand that you were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, most definitely, But even getting that let's let's get

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to leave trust and believe you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm staying because it was pretty much the same deal.

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Speaker 4: Third year, that's all the difference was. And they didn't

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Speaker 4: I took that one little phone, called hung up on

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Speaker 4: I would look at James Posey. I would see James

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Speaker 4: He a video guys and told him, Hey, I want

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00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 4: I want to see his moves when he go right.

438
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 4: I want to see his movie on the left side

439
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 4: of the court. I want to see his moves when

440
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 4: he in transition. I want to see his move when

441
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 4: he five four three two one situations. And he would

442
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 4: sit there just and watch that for the whole ninety

443
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 4: minutes until it was time to come in at thirty

444
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 4: five and watch what the team would show you. So

445
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 4: I took that. Then Ray Allen would come in there

446
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 4: on some days, you know, he'd come in four hours

447
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 4: early before the game, getting a ca to hot tub,

448
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 4: you get you know what I'm saying, Go take a shower,

449
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 4: get a get read the book read. He probably every

450
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 4: day he had a different book he reading. I'm like, okay,

451
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gonna be reading.

452
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 1: No books, but I like that regiment him getting in

453
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,439
Speaker 1: there early.

454
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, taking it out you you

455
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 4: get what I'm saying. And then and Paul Pierce was

456
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 4: just so he was just so light, just like loose.

457
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 4: He was just loose and just like just knew he

458
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 4: was about to go out there and kill because of

459
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 4: the work he put in in practice, some shots he

460
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 4: got up in practice before practice, after practice, all that

461
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 4: work he did before, and he just felt like he

462
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 4: just knew he was ready. And when he would come in,

463
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 4: he would, you know, he'll be joning on people, Hey man,

464
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 4: what you wearing today?

465
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 1: Man?

466
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 4: Where you get that outfit from the thrift store? Like

467
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 4: he was just real loose, loosen the guys up and uh.

468
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 4: But when it was time to go out and get ready,

469
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 4: when time go out and get ready, right before we

470
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: go out, he would be the one sell tangs hoo rah,

471
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 4: hell jeams. You get what I'm saying, giving us that energy.

472
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 4: And so I took all that and brought it to Memphis.

473
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: Man.

474
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 4: I would go out there, man, I took took ray

475
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 4: Allen's regimen, I took tickets regimen, and I implemented in

476
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: there right before the game. So you would always see

477
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 4: me on the serious side of things and taking paying

478
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 4: attention to detail. When everything got to you know that

479
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 4: forty eight minute mark, you could always see me focused

480
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 4: in on the laptop.

481
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

482
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 4: I'm taking the laptop to the shower, to the bathroom,

483
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 4: to the training room, to.

484
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: The weight room.

485
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 4: I'm watching my opponent, and I've gathered all those that

486
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 4: I call it being a pro pretty much. I took

487
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 4: being a pro and bringing it to Memphis, and guys

488
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 4: in Memphis would be looking at me.

489
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: Like like, Bro, you don't got an Instagram?

490
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: What you no, I'm not worried about I'm not worried

491
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 4: about Instagram. I'm worried about the Mamba coming in this

492
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: mug and dropping sixty on us because part because part

493
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 4: of what when me come I'm in there in twenty ten.

494
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 4: You know one of the coach, one of the GMS,

495
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,239
Speaker 4: Chris Wallace. I know y'all familiar with Chris Wallace. He

496
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: was the assistant GM with Danny Yames. He drafted me,

497
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 4: so it was kind of like like a warm welcome.

498
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 4: And when he brought me in and the first thing

499
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: he was telling me was, hey, man, I liked what

500
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 4: you did with Kobe. How you defended Kobe in those

501
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 4: finals in twenty ten. Man, And he was just giving

502
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 4: me the statistics. I didn't even know about analytics at

503
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 4: the time. He was telling me Kobe shot one of

504
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 4: his worst percentages in that finals and things of that nature.

505
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: And we need that in our program because down the stretch,

506
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 4: they kind of post our guards, you know what I mean,

507
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: They kind of bully our guards. They you know OJ

508
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: and Mike, you know, those guys weren't real physical. They

509
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: like scoring, sappy, they real scores, and so they was

510
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 4: missing that presence and at the time we had a

511
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 4: good team. You got to think about it. We had

512
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 4: Rudy Gay at the three proto type like almost like

513
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 4: a Lebron James. I don't want to you know, no

514
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: disrespect Lebron, but he had the tools, you know what

515
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying.

516
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: Uh, guy defenished shoes, have boostis shoe.

517
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about Mike. You all that sure so them.

518
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 4: Then you got an all star power forward Zach Randolpho's

519
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: gonna get you twenty ten out of sleep, you.

520
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: Get what I'm saying.

521
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 4: And then you had Mark Gasol, who they was kind

522
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 4: of comparing to Vidas of Bonus at the time, you

523
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

524
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: And Mike Conley. Mike Conley.

525
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: O god, never never turned.

526
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: He's not now. Sometimes well listen, sometimes.

527
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 4: That used to blow me because I bet I'll be

528
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 4: pointing up to the lobby He'll give me one of.

529
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: These yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, bro the law.

530
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 4: But I loved it because you know what I'm saying.

531
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: He was always smart with his playing, that's my brother

532
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 4: tell today. But more so importantly he was he was

533
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 4: just probably I thought at the time, one of the

534
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 4: top five point in the league, and people really didn't notice.

535
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

536
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 4: He's still playing today if you look at this game,

537
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: but he was a knockdown three point shoot as well.

538
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: And you and you implement me in there. You know

539
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

540
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: A guy that's gonna come in and do the dirty work,

541
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: take chargers, dave On, lose ball with all the smoke,

542
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: ready for whatever. You get what I'm saying, and well

543
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: respected on the defensive end. And so what I helped

544
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 4: do was I believe. And when you talk about culture,

545
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: I think we made it to whereas guys when they

546
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 4: come in, ain't no more just counting us as a

547
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 4: w and move into the next city. Now you might

548
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 4: need to come in, get your rest, get a good meal,

549
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 4: and be ready for a dog fight. And I think

550
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: that's what the green brand culture. That's what the green

551
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: brand culture pretty much I laid out. And that's like

552
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 4: I say, I always get credit to those four guys,

553
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 4: I mean, Ray, Ticket and p You know what I'm saying,

554
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: because they imposed because I didn't do that my first

555
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 4: three years in the league when we were talking about the

556
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 4: injury and stuff like that. I used to come in,

557
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 4: you know and fresh off eating some burger king. You

558
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 4: get what I'm saying, and not getting my wrists playing

559
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: PlayStation all night.

560
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: That changed once I.

561
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 3: Got the vibent man. As a young player, you need

562
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: those type of you get one of those people that

563
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: you vibe with. You said you got him in all

564
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 3: three positions, big guy wing, you know what I mean,

565
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: point guards or wherever you're looking. You're looking at preparation

566
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: from from all different levels. T I one thing that

567
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: goes unnoticed and one thing I've been thinking about. Would

568
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: you talked about bringing that from from Boston? What about

569
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: like who's coaching there? Line Hollands? What about coach Linel Hollands?

570
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Need to get some credit for this because some coaches,

571
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: when you bring culture, coaches have to allow it. You know,

572
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: you could have went to a different program and and

573
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: somebody been like, nah, we ain't rocking like that, or

574
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you need to loosen up,

575
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: or you need to do this. They might have might

576
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: have changed your approach. He's come from that old Jack Ramsey,

577
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: old school basketball. Like you said, you kept thinking of

578
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: your head like no, you're gonna play tonight. You just

579
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be out on Bell Street and think he's

580
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 3: gonna beat us, beat us by twenty You know what

581
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna have to play tonight. How much

582
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 3: does that old school Lionel Holland's Jack Ramsey old traditional

583
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: basketball influence mixing with the you know, the Boston Celtics experience.

584
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: Oh well, you know, well, I gotta give you the real.

585
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get you out of the real. I ain't

586
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: no short change. I'm gonna get all the real. And

587
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 4: as you said, I did get some d MPs when

588
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 4: I get But for the most part, I remember, Uh,

589
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: Coach Hollins wanting the reel right, y'all know the reel right.

590
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: I got drafted with him in two thousand and four.

591
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: Here knocked down three point sure, and that's what that's what,

592
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: that's what. Uh, that's what coach Hollins was looking for

593
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: at the time. He didn't really understand my game and

594
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: high implemented and with with z Bo and Mike and

595
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 4: you know, Rudy and all those guys, and Uh, I

596
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: took it under the chin because I was like, okay,

597
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 4: this this this is a mad thing for me. It's

598
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: more like, okay, I know I didn't played in the

599
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: biggest part of basketball is the finals. Ain't none of

600
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 4: these no disrespect to these guys, but none of these

601
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: guys ever got to that.

602
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: Part of the of the NBA and my.

603
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: Experience in my voice now, I feel like I'm a

604
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: veteran now as a locker in the locker room leader,

605
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: I'm like yo. I'm like yo, So I'm thinking like

606
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: when we start out, I'm on the blue team, but

607
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: when I came in, I instantly was on the white team,

608
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: and I'm like yo. And he had a guy named

609
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: Exavier Henry. I don't know if y'all familiar with Kansas, Kansas,

610
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: and he was.

611
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: He was.

612
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: I think he got drafted like number sixteen or something,

613
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 4: but coach Hollins was high on him because he wanted

614
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: a shooter and Axevier Henry right, he could shoot. However,

615
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, down the stretch, if Kobe c Exavierate

616
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: Henry on him, Yo, he gonna punish him. If Lebron

617
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: se Xavier, We're gonna punish him. You know what I'm saying.

618
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 4: So I always one thing I didn't do that in

619
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: that sequence when I won't playing, I never pouted. I

620
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: never showed them no, no, I never showed them nothing

621
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 4: but team spirit. And I learned that in Boston I

622
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: learned that in Boston. Always be ready, stay ready, you

623
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: don't got to get ready, and always have a cheerful attitude.

624
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 4: I think Doc Rivers told me that because one day,

625
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: one day, Doc Head saw me pald one day and

626
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: I always told me, like fix your energy for one

627
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 4: and I and that right there carried a long way

628
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: with me. So when I got there, he didn't play me.

629
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: I think I ain't played like a good twenty one games.

630
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. We was ten games behind, five hundred.

631
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: I'm talking about every I'm talking about whether they win

632
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 4: baut thirty, I get in the game, if we lose

633
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: back thirty, I'm getting in the game.

634
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: No other way.

635
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: I was getting in the game. And we I cheer,

636
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: I would cheer, I would cheer. But it was this

637
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: what turn? What changed that moment was I remember we

638
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: was playing the Clippers and Coach didn't put me in

639
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: until like the fourth quarter. We were down like ten,

640
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: and y'all can look this up. Coach threw me in.

641
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no, no, this against the Clippers

642
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: and we was out here in LA and we were

643
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: down like ten and Coach put me in. And I

644
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: guess this was the test to whereas, Okay, let's see

645
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: what he's been doing. Why he ain't been playing, has

646
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: he been working out? Is he conditioned? Do we know

647
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: the players? He didn't have that problem me because you

648
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: know what I paid attention to detail. I'm still on

649
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: I'm still on Doc Rivers' time and stay ready. You

650
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: don't got to get ready. I'm still on that type

651
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 4: of time. So when he put me in, man, I

652
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: promise you not. Man, I had like four steals in

653
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: a row which led to a couple of threes and

654
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: a couple of free throws, couple of basket before you

655
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: knew it, man, leaving out of the fourth quarter down

656
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: team we end up winning that game.

657
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I'm saying. And so when we.

658
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 4: Walked in there, coach Hollins got the game ball and

659
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: he came in he said, Man, yeah, before we bring

660
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: it in, I just want to I just want to

661
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: give kudos to Tony Allen because he because one thing

662
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: he didn't do in this in this long period of

663
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: time while he hadn't been playing, he never pouted.

664
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: He always was cheerful, and he always been swinging that gatorade. Rage.

665
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: One of you guys hit a three or get a

666
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: good play. He said, I want to get his ball

667
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: to him, man, because he could have easily pouted it

668
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: up and said I got my money and been ready

669
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: to pack it in. I ain't never do that. And

670
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: when he did that, that's when I knew. I was like,

671
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: you know what, coach, you got a hard and you

672
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: understand this game, and you see you had somebody that

673
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: you're gonna count on. And I showed I get I

674
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: get that. Trust was real. He was watching the whole time,

675
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: and then before the whole time.

676
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: Probably watching you on film and ship, Yeah.

677
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: Trying to see what he's gonna do to me mentally.

678
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: And that's what I That's what I always told myself.

679
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: I can't get broken mentally, because once you broken mentally,

680
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: then you you go in other places man. And I

681
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: didn't want to go on up the places. And I

682
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: always felt like, you know what, that that one little

683
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: piece of success of touching that finals, man, just that

684
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: that or just everything around that, that atmosphere, man, them cameras,

685
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: you know that that bus ride, and I wanted to

686
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: get back there for real, and and with that team,

687
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: I thought we can do it. I used to compare

688
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 4: it to the Celtics all the time. I used to

689
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: tell z Bo, I say, z Bo, you just as

690
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: good as Ticket. I say, Mark, you way better than

691
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: pertin no man respect, the perfect respect perk. But I'm saying,

692
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: come on, Mark, you you could take that thing out

693
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: twenty feet twenty two feet, hell, probably shoot the three

694
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: if you wanted to. And I'm looking at Mike Conley

695
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: like you you you got a great vision like Ron

696
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: though you know what.

697
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm think about it, You're not You're not off and

698
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: in what you do.

699
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: And then looking at and then I'm looking at Rudy

700
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Gays up.

701
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: Here, see the score you know that could get your bucket.

702
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: You're looking like the truth. I'm like, I'm like, oh,

703
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: y'all missing this me.

704
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, and it's crazy because I told

705
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: Rudy Gay that what I'm telling y'all now, we had

706
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: to I had to do a commercials Soon as I

707
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: came to mymphis, I told Rudy Gay, y'all ever, get

708
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: Rudy Gay on him a man, We're doing a commercial.

709
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: Met him and Pete Panicle. I said, man, we we

710
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: we're just as good like the selfish man. We can

711
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: probably win it bro, and Rudy looked at me. Man.

712
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: Rudy was like, yeah, man, I know, I know, I know. Man,

713
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna just probably average like twenty twenty five.

714
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: It is a game, and we see where it get us.

715
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: I looked at him, Man, I said, Man, let me

716
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 4: get up out of it. Man, Man, don't realize. He

717
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: don't realize what I'm what I'm putting down. It ain't registered,

718
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: like it ain't registered. And so as we started playing

719
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: and he started seeing and it started getting it started

720
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: getting groovy. But man, man, just you bringing up the

721
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: Memphis days. Man, it started out exactly like that.

722
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

723
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: The story was that the great and grind started when

724
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: you challenge Rudy Gated played through an injury and he

725
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: did it.

726
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, it's a little twisted. It's

727
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: a little twisted. And this is my brother. I just

728
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: saw him the other day too. So look this is

729
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: what happened. I'm gonna give you all the sity real beans.

730
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: So right, we played in Oklahoma City, right, and Kevin

731
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Durant had like about forty five or something, and Rudy

732
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: Gay I remember walking back through the tunnel.

733
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I remember Rudy saying, man, that's messed up. Man.

734
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: Ain't nobody showing on the fucking screens and ain't nobody hedging.

735
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: We ain't paying attention to the pick and roll defense.

736
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: You know, we driving kick nobody contesting that. So I'm

737
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: listening to him. I'm like, Rudy Man, dude, Kevin Durant, man,

738
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: like that that's gonna happen. Bro, Let's swipe it off

739
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: and let's just get to the next game. The hell

740
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: with it, you know what I'm saying. I didn't play

741
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 4: that much day. I don't even think I played that game,

742
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: but we played them, like I want to say, about

743
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: eight days later. Imagine we was in Sacramento the game

744
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: before we go to Oklahoma's city. Rudy Gay doing wind Meal,

745
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: done the breakaway I'm talking about, and one of the people

746
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: shooting three doing all we gotta do. We got the

747
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: Oklahoma city right and manage you. I told you I'm

748
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: a guy that's gonna prepare for my opponent. I'm under

749
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 4: the James the James Posey Act, and at the time

750
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: I was studying James Harden him coming out. I don't

751
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: know if you probably remember this, Jay, Look they used

752
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: to throw at the Collison. Collison get it the wing.

753
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: Sepalosa cut from the wing and he a dribble handoff

754
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: all the way to the corner with James Harden, so

755
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: he can come off his left hand out of that

756
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: corner and he could either pop behind Collison shoot the three,

757
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: or get to the hole with his left hand. I

758
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: was studying that play for the whole time we getting

759
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 4: ready for the game at ninety minutes. And so right

760
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 4: before the right you know how they put the names

761
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: on the board. You might look at the board. They

762
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: might have Rudy Gaye, Durant, such and such, savalos Zbo

763
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 4: Collison right. And I looked up right before we right

764
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 4: right before we were about to talk at thirty five,

765
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: I've seen one of the ball boys coming in and

766
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: wipe the name off and put t A and so

767
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: were talking, were talking in it, and you know, they

768
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: turn off the lights. I don't even see my name

769
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: up there. And so man, you I got my headphones

770
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 4: on a little bit, so I'm I'm still vibing, trying

771
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: to get into the moat, and uh, I look up

772
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: and then coach say Tony, Tony, I'm like, I take

773
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: that I take my hand. He's like, huh, he like

774
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: you you starting off on Durrance And I said, I

775
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: took my headphone off.

776
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: I looked at I said it. I said, you just

777
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: went mill out the night.

778
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: Wait, tell me you got to He's like, he's like no,

779
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: but I also remember that conversation you had walking through

780
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: this tunnel last week too, So I was like, all right, cool,

781
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: So now I got to reregister. I ain't looked at

782
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: one film on d rank and so I'm kind of

783
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: hot at him. I'm really hot at him. I'm I

784
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 4: ain't gonna sugar coat. I'm hot at him. I'm hot

785
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: at them. And so they put me in the game. Man,

786
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 4: make a long story short, man. I finished with like

787
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: twenty I want to say twenty seven nine seven and five,

788
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 4: twenty seven seven and five.

789
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Imagine KD had about thirty forty. I ain't gonna let it.

790
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: But we got the win.

791
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: We got the win, and so imagine I hadn't been

792
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: playing but my spot minutes at the time. So when

793
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: when when the camera got in front of me, I

794
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: was still so hot at Rudy.

795
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: Come like, yeah, we done did it.

796
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: I can't wait to get back to this locker room

797
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: and check Rudy and tell him, bro, yo as should

798
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 4: have played you feel, because it ain't even my pay

799
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: grade to be shooting this many damn shots.

800
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: Let's get that clip.

801
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: But no, I remember looking at Rod Fisher shot out,

802
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 4: Rob Fisher, that's my boy. Uh and he was like,

803
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: ta oh, this was a stellar performance. We didn't even

804
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: know you had this in you. Where did this come from?

805
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: And I was just so man. I just said, it's

806
00:36:54,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: just all hard grit, and so it was really direct

807
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: it towards Rudy, like that's what that was. What I

808
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: was gonna go tell Rudy in the locker room, but

809
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 4: they stopped me. And I didn't think they was gonna,

810
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: you know, put me in for the for the interview.

811
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: I thought probably z Bo should have got the interview,

812
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: but they gave it to me, and before you know it,

813
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 4: that was That was the start of that era. When

814
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: I got back to the city, it was so many

815
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 4: people saying Gritton Grand on my Twitter feed. It was

816
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: Britten Grand. It was just great. They just changed it

817
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 4: to Grand City pretty much. Let's just make it that clip.

818
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: That's Grand City right now. And uh, they had my

819
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: back from then. It was like, Yo, needs to be

820
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 4: playing and shout out Chris Vernon to Chris Verner ended

821
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 4: up making shirts.

822
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. I keep hearing who are some of

823
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: your defensive role models?

824
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: Man?

825
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: How are you? You know what I mean? Is it

826
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: the west side? You know we always hear the west side,

827
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: west side, south side Chicago talk? You know what I mean?

828
00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Is it?

829
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: Is it that? Where do you get your defensive? Defensive?

830
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: I guess a two part question, where do you get

831
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: your d Who did you study? Who's like your north

832
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: star if you have one? And then the second second

833
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: part I want to ask you is do you think

834
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: you are a better on ball defender or off ball defender?

835
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: Well, for the for the first question, I'm just going

836
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: ahead keep it all the way clip in Chicago, it's

837
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: a y'all familiar with how outside basketball is program basketball.

838
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: There's a guys like to clay out. They like to

839
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: clear the ball out, right.

840
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: I always been a guy like Yo, you you about

841
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: to be in for a rude awakening if you think

842
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 4: you're about to clear the ball out on me and

843
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: have the whole stance running out of here saying, oh baby,

844
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: that's not gonna get done on me So it started

845
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: early on just playing in the program in Chicago, the

846
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: i T proram of some of the greats and played there.

847
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 4: I'm talking Quinn Ridgardson, Mike Fin, Tim hard Away, Uh

848
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: who else we got, Twaan Walker, Bobby Simmons, Sean Maryann

849
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 4: uh and the list goes on.

850
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying.

851
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: And Uh, those playoff battles we would we would as

852
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 4: young as we would be on teams in that because

853
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 4: we was the shorties coming up, the next up shorties

854
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: that would be in the program playing and guys would

855
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 4: try to clear it out, and uh, that was like

856
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: a disrespect to me always like and so I carried

857
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: that on to college, and I carried that on to

858
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: the league and this and this stirring from high school.

859
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: I never wanted nobody to feel like you was gonna

860
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: cross me over and get to the basket, start shimmying

861
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: and shaking, and you know what I'm saying. So my

862
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: credit to the to the I T program and Chicago

863
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: for that. More so and poorly as far as being

864
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 4: on ball offender, I had two type of two type

865
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: of talents I believe, and like I say, I gave

866
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: one credits to coach Sunton resident Peace coach Sunn and

867
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 4: he taught me how to play off the ball.

868
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: He taught me how to you know.

869
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Deny did not but no, no, no did that.

870
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: But but like when the pick and rollers coming, he

871
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 4: taught me how to bump the pick and get back

872
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: into the passer. Back then, ya back then, yeah, back

873
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: then you could throw that. You could throw this and

874
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: hold up the big stop the lot and get back

875
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: and close out. So I had got so good at that,

876
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: and uh, I just think like it was. I did

877
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: it a lot against the Warriors. That's how That's how

878
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: I made First team All Defense famous. I did it

879
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: a lot against those guys, but more so in portly.

880
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: I liked it my own ball defense better than my

881
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: off ball defense, because I knew for a fact the

882
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: team had to rely on me to get to stop.

883
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: I always wanted to be the guy that if they

884
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: gotta if this game comes down to a tag game

885
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: and they got to shoot it, I want to be

886
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: the guy that makes him uncomfortable. He not about to

887
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: wind up and get comfortable with what he been pre

888
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 4: acticing out there with Chris.

889
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you ain't about to do none of that's.

890
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: All that stuff that Chris Brickley and those guys like

891
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 4: all that. You know, you're not about to get comfortable

892
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: in your rhythm and gaming. So it was almost like

893
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: this Jay, like this would be a cool conversation. How

894
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: we're talking, right, But if I get into.

895
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: The camera like this and I'm talking like.

896
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: That exactly like.

897
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's and and that's.

898
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: The energy I wanted you to have when I was

899
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: sticking you get know what I'm saying. When I was

900
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: on ball, and I know for a fact that's what

901
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: you're practicing and working on in the summer. You're working

902
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 4: on your five four three two one, but you ain't

903
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: working on your Oh yo, hold on, let me.

904
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: Pick it up. You know what I'm saying came up

905
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: a little bit because yeah, I have.

906
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: Tapped it one time. It's not your hand that you're

907
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: not working on that. And by that time time is

908
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 4: growing down. You see what I'm saying. So now your

909
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: five four three two one is really a turnaround, turnaround,

910
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: turn around, turn around that now shoot it because I'm context.

911
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: Then they started having to work on that because of

912
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 3: like the defenders like you when when you can get

913
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: away with a little bit more on the defensive side.

914
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: Then they had to start to work on them from

915
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: quick quarter turns. It went from the ISO, come down, skip,

916
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: be all comfortable to you moving up the court a

917
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: little bit up near half court, sometimes a little further

918
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: depending on who it was. Then all that shit went

919
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: out the door. If you had to go into a bag,

920
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: it had to be real specific. You're gonna have to

921
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: eliminate two or three different movements and keep that shit real.

922
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: I think it advanced like player development. That's what basketball does.

923
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: Right.

924
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: Good players, whether they be on the offense or defensive side,

925
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: they disrupt the normal status quo of basketball. And then

926
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: it's the good player development coaches. It's their job to

927
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: adapt to that. Tell the head coach what's going on.

928
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: And now you got a culture. Now you got grind city. Now.

929
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: Then now when the video, the video dudes know what

930
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: to look look at and highlight, Hey, this is cool.

931
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: We know you're gonna get a dub woo to woo

932
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: woo because we got the action up here. But I

933
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: want to highlight what T. T. A Is doing here

934
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: on the week side. Right now, you got the Jude

935
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: the high tam. I see what t A are. You

936
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Now you riding at the level,

937
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Because he want to play,

938
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's the same thing you

939
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: did with Paul I imagining everybody else and watching him.

940
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 3: You kind of like sit back. If you got a

941
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: good vet, You're like, ah, I see what you can

942
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 3: use that? Yeah, use that. I don't need to do that.

943
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: That's his thing, not mine. But once you break that

944
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: third wall, like ah, it's almost that simple. So you

945
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I just want to give you

946
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: your kudos for that because I think because if we

947
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: don't have Tha's, yeah, we don't have the advanced moves

948
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: and ship that you're seeing right now. If everybody's just

949
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 3: laid back and it allows you to come up skipping

950
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: their hands up and and shooting thirty footers which people

951
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: can make now, then we don't see some of the

952
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: advanced stuff that we don't get the best Kevin Durant,

953
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: we don't get the we don't get to DeMar Derosion

954
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 3: is bringing back the mid range game. That's my little brand.

955
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: What defense, no, for sure, And.

956
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 4: I had great battles with I done, had great battles

957
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: with both of those guys with his name.

958
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: I used to get up for sure in Toronto. Like

959
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: I used to.

960
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: Say, you know what, if I gotta go to Toronto

961
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 4: to go through customs and they give me this hard

962
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: over time, Oh Duroz, it's lock up season.

963
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Let's go. I'm ready to lock up. And Uh. With

964
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, I remember him having.

965
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: The player development coach who used to always be in

966
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: this ear. He he coached for the Washington Wizards. Now

967
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 4: I forgot his name, and then he was over there.

968
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: He was over there in Portland, I believe. But uh, man,

969
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 4: those guys, man, those guys was just battles man.

970
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you.

971
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: You have to you have to get to you have

972
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: to get to a level of for sure.

973
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: You gotta get your rest for sure.

974
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: You gotta can't get discouraged and understand that the referees.

975
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 4: I gonna get him them superstar calls and and I

976
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: believe once I got out the league, I believe they

977
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 4: made it a point of emphasis to say, you know what,

978
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 4: we're gonna take.

979
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: This armbar out. I think they took that.

980
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: I think they took that out because of guys like

981
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: myself and our tests and you know Bruce Bowing, Uh,

982
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: you know those.

983
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Type of games, big shot man. I played with Shane.

984
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from Shane too man. Shane.

985
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: Shane was a guy man, but I learned from him.

986
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 4: He honored analytics, you know what I'm saying. So he

987
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 4: would he would he would look at the analytics and see, Okay,

988
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: well he goes he only shoot thirty percent when he

989
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 4: had the ball having to drive in his right hand,

990
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: and he shooting sixty five percent when he draveted the

991
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: ball to his left hand. And so I think he'd

992
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: be like, well today, t I think I'm going to

993
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: force him right if he beat me that and so

994
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: be it.

995
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I used to be like, I was just thinking I

996
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: didn't understand it.

997
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: Just pros here, I mean, Jesus, that's why they got these.

998
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had we had uh, we had Batty a

999
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: on he was talking about him, him versus Kobe. He

1000
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 2: loved like forcing people to take long twos.

1001
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: That was old exactly. Yeah, he did that, not with

1002
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: just Kobe. He would study everybody to like that. And

1003
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: I'll be like, damn, what if he make it though?

1004
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 4: For the game and that thirty looked like one hundred

1005
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: percent shot. Like I'm like, no, I ain't going, I

1006
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: ain't going. I'm a I'm gonna live. I'm gonna be

1007
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: laying this.

1008
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.

1009
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: Man, I want to go through.

1010
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if you realize like the gauntlet of

1011
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: playoff matchups that you went through from the time you

1012
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: ended with Boston to Memphis, but in a four years

1013
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: layoff stretch, Kobe Lebron, Durant, Ginobili Wade. You said you're

1014
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: a big film guy, so I know you have the

1015
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: scattering reports. I want to go kind of rapid fire.

1016
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: What is like the one to two sentence scattering report. Okay,

1017
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: go to these guys and we're gonna go down here. Yeah,

1018
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: I got Let's start with Cleveland Lebron. So the end

1019
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: of your Boston tenure, what was the Cleveland leb On

1020
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: scouting report?

1021
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: Well, at the time, I must say his game win

1022
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 4: as advanced as it is now. Uh, I really wasn't

1023
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: worried about him posting me because he didn't have a

1024
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: post game at the time, and the scouting report was

1025
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: basically go up under all the pick and rolls, He's

1026
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: going to get about forty to fifty pick and rolls

1027
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: the game, so be ready to fight up under it.

1028
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 4: If he's in transition and he's in the pick and roll,

1029
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 4: fight over the top, and you know you're gonna have

1030
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: your help. Because we was gonna we wasn't sagging on him.

1031
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: We was. We was like corralling on what they call

1032
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: it a show. We was was.

1033
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: It was like soft show maybe And and if he

1034
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: if he shoot the jump shot, we live in with that.

1035
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: You can't do that now though I can't say we

1036
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: can't do that now.

1037
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: He's also not moving quite as fast.

1038
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: He's picking his spots. He picking his spots.

1039
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, Okay, see he said he named you as

1040
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 2: the toughest defender, he said. Tony Allen had me thinking

1041
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: about my offense differently. If I'm gonna shoot it, I'm

1042
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: in the lane, I'm gonna go Uh. Allen was cutting

1043
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: shit off de nine. The ball from me got into

1044
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: my pocket, so I needed to find different setups. I

1045
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: started working on preparation before I catch the ball, just

1046
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: small parts of the game. I felt like he was

1047
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: teaching me all that little shit.

1048
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: Didn't I just say that shit?

1049
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: Heyah look yeah, no for it just say that. So

1050
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: look with KD, I knew I didn't have a snowball

1051
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 4: chance in hell. If he caught that ball, let's just

1052
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: keep it right there. He's seven foot. If he bagged

1053
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 4: me down and spin, I can't contest. So my whole

1054
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: thing was, I knew Russell Restbrook listen. I knew Russell

1055
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: restbroke and shut out the Russ. I knew I would

1056
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: talk shit to Russ right. I would talk shit to

1057
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: Russ right, And I knew he all in his man

1058
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 4: he like, I get Mike Conley sticking me while y'all

1059
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: not coming to me.

1060
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: And so we know Kevin Durant is the first option, right.

1061
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 4: I would deny him boxing one. So if they would

1062
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: run up, let's just say they run a pick and

1063
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: roll with ebacha, ibacha, I'm not stunned towards you. You

1064
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: can go get you a dunk, but Kevin Durant isn't

1065
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 4: touching it. So now when coach Brooks would call up, uh,

1066
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: let's get this play to Kevin Durant, they would like,

1067
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: run a pin down.

1068
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm lock I'm not even locking the trail.

1069
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 4: I'm shooting through the through the Uh, I'm shooting through

1070
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: the pick, getting lower with my shoulder and keep staying

1071
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: in my doner, being physical, and Russell Westbrook would hate

1072
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 4: when I get them steals.

1073
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: From that's the hell of a target.

1074
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1075
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: Or he'll float them, or he'll float them, try to

1076
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: float them. And by that time I Didnet got so

1077
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: physical with Durant that I didn't push it off of

1078
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 4: Durant got to steal.

1079
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: We going the other way. But Uh, I thought he

1080
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: always got his numbers.

1081
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: Let's just say that he always got his numbers, but

1082
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 4: he justin wasn't effective as he wanted to be, simply

1083
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: because like I say, I got closer to the screen

1084
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: on him. You get what I'm saying. I got I

1085
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 4: got ready to do that. And more importantly, I studied

1086
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: those guys plays and what they would do like I wouldn't.

1087
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: I wouldn't when they call out the offense, I'm telling them, Mike,

1088
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 4: that's a that's a fluff stream. Hey, z Bo, be

1089
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: ready for the fly I'm going over. You get know

1090
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I knew the plays way before then.

1091
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I would tell uh who

1092
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: who I tell? I tell Mark?

1093
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 4: I say, Mark, you got back, said I'm fighting over

1094
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 4: this when the road comes just tagged.

1095
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 3: Don't worry about Rashid Wallace. Uh alright, yah, he about

1096
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: to come down over there, you know what I mean.

1097
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: That's it's very disturbed, very discouraging. Every team actually, for

1098
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: a while, like when I was, every team had one

1099
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: a player like that. It was hid a kg got

1100
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: it like it used to be uh a t a

1101
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There's a couple of players

1102
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: like we call the player and they'd be like, hey,

1103
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: that's that's that's so and so, and even if they

1104
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: heard something they didn't know and that's new.

1105
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 4: Take this down, that's new. Y'all record there. Yeah, yeah,

1106
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: Durram was he was a problem. Let's just say he

1107
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 4: was definitely a problem. Monitor you known genobili min genobili.

1108
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: I always live with forcing them, right. I tried my

1109
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 4: best with forcing them right. I knew he wasn't stronger

1110
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: than me. He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna like put

1111
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 4: me in a situation where he had the visit like

1112
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 4: put me in like he had the advantage. That was

1113
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: more so, like all right, he need to pick and

1114
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 4: I'm forcing him, right, you know what I'm saying, and

1115
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 4: stay down on the head fake because if he driving,

1116
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: he stepped back, he's gonna headfake. Try to get that.

1117
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 4: And he was real like like slithery and you know

1118
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I was just matching his intensity

1119
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 4: as much as I can.

1120
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade, Mmm, Flash Bick shout out the flash Man

1121
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: Chicago kid.

1122
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: But Flash it was just more so, you know, like

1123
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: it was more so like Lebron go up under all

1124
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: the screens, uh, you know, try to stay out of

1125
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: foul trouble, stay down on his head fakes, uh, and

1126
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 4: then transition, you know, try your best to keep up

1127
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: with him. For for the most part, Flash always got

1128
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 4: to that line. He one thing I like about Flash.

1129
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 4: He play off the ball just as good as he

1130
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: play on the ball. So you might think you might

1131
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 4: shut him down with that in the pick and roll.

1132
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 4: We might, you know, I want to say shut him down,

1133
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: but we could contain him in a pick and roll

1134
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: and he probably be one for five, right, But he

1135
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: also could go get three putbacks and three back doors

1136
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: and get to the land full time before you look up.

1137
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: He got eighteen points.

1138
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't get enough credit for being a defensive guard.

1139
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: That he was because I know he's remember he was

1140
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 3: going around, but he blew my shut up one time

1141
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: that I was in Atlanta. I wasn't expected. Remember he

1142
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: was going around beating all of Dwight Howard and every

1143
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: big dude that could jumps dunk. How come he how

1144
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: come get enough credit defensively as he was for as

1145
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: known for us was he was he up there? Do

1146
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: you feel like he was up there as a top

1147
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: defender as the guards or you feel like he was

1148
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: underappreciated or is there some other people.

1149
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 4: That definitely underappreciated. Definitely underappreciated, but more so than anything,

1150
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: I don't think he didn't play defense for the whole game.

1151
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 4: Try to type of player he was.

1152
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: He was.

1153
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: He was a he was a okay start, Yeah, we

1154
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 4: down three h I need to we need to get

1155
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 4: this stop. Somebody got a wide open layup or big

1156
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 4: like you say about to go bang out. I'm gonna

1157
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: come from behind blocking, get back, get the ball, go

1158
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: get the air. And one that was taed up like

1159
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: now we got a chance to win the ball game

1160
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: with him him with the ball in his.

1161
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: Hand like that's that's the type of that's the type

1162
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: of player.

1163
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: He was last, but not least Kobe Bryant. He said

1164
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: that he also named you as his toughest matchup. Everyone knows,

1165
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: but he said he never heard you ask for help,

1166
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: which probably is where most people are probably asking for

1167
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: help when they're on an island with Kobe.

1168
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and and and you hear so much so

1169
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: it'd be like times where you know, guys get put

1170
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 4: in the post, and you know, Kobe was a great

1171
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: post player. A lot of people don't even really know that.

1172
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: His footwork out of the post is damn and like

1173
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: Eljah Won you know what I mean. I mean he

1174
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: could catch his spin go baseline catches spinning, spinning, then

1175
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: spend the opposite way come back. He had so many

1176
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: counter moves and if he if he smelled any blood,

1177
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 4: the first thing he would do is He'll pound your

1178
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: chest in like with his shoulder, throw his elbow, pound

1179
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: your chesty and throw it with his like his whole body,

1180
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: just and try to get to get to the fadeaway

1181
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 4: where you can't even contest. And my whole thing was,

1182
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, I lift too many damn weights

1183
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: for him to be throwing his shoulder in my chest

1184
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: and meat calling for help, like I don't need no help.

1185
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: I got this.

1186
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: My team depending on me for this, And like I said,

1187
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: back to confidence, back to not getting discouraged. I wanted

1188
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: to be the one that people say, you know what,

1189
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: ta man, you you did a good job on Kobe.

1190
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: And after each game, after each game, after each game,

1191
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: after each game, it put fuel to my fire to

1192
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: go out there and compete, and I was like, yo,

1193
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give my rest and I think I think

1194
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: I got it. I think I got him to night.

1195
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: But it would always be that head fake, head fake

1196
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 4: and you fall for the haird fake.

1197
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: I left the triple hair fake though that's not it's

1198
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: not fair. It might be a three point line and

1199
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: ship it's like, come on, you know it's.

1200
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: Coming, you know it's coming.

1201
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 4: And but like I say, I would never get discouraged

1202
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 4: if he hit five, six, seven in the row on

1203
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm giving him that same energy and it's like damn,

1204
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: like when he's trying to box out, when you're boxing out,

1205
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: he throwing his elbow in your neck.

1206
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: He So I got to meet that same intensity and

1207
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to be always the one riding for my team,

1208
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: like I'm not scared of him, man, And I'd have

1209
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: seen some guys look at that man and just say,

1210
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: you know, he go going to the rim. I didn't

1211
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: want to be that guy.

1212
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: But if I can put version in the one, one

1213
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: one sentence, I say, unstoppable.

1214
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: Man.

1215
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 4: You can't look, you can't look. I'm talking earlier you.

1216
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 4: You couldn't go under the pick and roll. He had

1217
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: a post game, definitely, and it was one time he

1218
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 4: was averaging then there thirty eight forty points a game.

1219
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: And when I swow Kobe when he was like two forty,

1220
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: what about swoo being he was running around and you

1221
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: couldn't get physical with he gonna do nothing?

1222
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: Come on, man, all that man, And I don't know

1223
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: if y'all know this, you know, let me give you

1224
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 4: a quick trivia. You know, Kobe Brown fouled me out

1225
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 4: in eight minutes, six thousand and eight minutes.

1226
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: What did he get? You?

1227
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 3: With the head faint?

1228
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: So I was, man, I was just nervous. Man. I

1229
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: was just like, damn, I'm actually running up against this dude.

1230
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: And from that point on, I always looked back at

1231
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: that and I was like, Yo, that'll never happened to

1232
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: me again.

1233
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying eight minutes.

1234
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: Man, that's crazy.

1235
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said he and you in the chamber t

1236
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: so it's safe to say he exactly, and it's right

1237
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: around to give you the most problems out of anybody

1238
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: on that list, I.

1239
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: Would say he did. I would say he did. I

1240
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 4: would say did, and just to know that he gave

1241
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: me six thousand and eight minutes. I think that was

1242
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 4: around the time he changed his name to Mamba.

1243
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: That was your first matchup against him.

1244
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was like so it was like you

1245
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: just looked it up. Yeah, I was nervous. I was nervous,

1246
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: but I've never been nervous and no other.

1247
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: Player, right, It's like I never felt like nervous about

1248
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 4: I never felt like that against.

1249
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: Being healthily nervous about a guy that's you know, Kobe

1250
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: is about to be a mom But I mean that

1251
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: you probably could use that to hone in a little

1252
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: bit constant, like you said, to make you go get

1253
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 3: some rest somebody else. Yeh yeah, sure, why not. Let's

1254
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: go to the next spot him. You're like, we can

1255
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: go get something to eat. But them, I'm to the

1256
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm to the room. So you know what I mean,

1257
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: that little healthy nervous one thing that gets uh, it

1258
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: doesn't get talked about enough ta and what is it?

1259
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: Twenty eleven You're the number eight seed, you beat the

1260
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: number ones, spurs seed and six. Now you see a

1261
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: lot of one scene to lose to lower seed scenes

1262
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 3: get a lot of love. How come you feel like

1263
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: that that that uh, that that series doesn't get a

1264
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: lot you know, as much as We Believe or any

1265
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: other one to eight or one to ever matchups. You think,

1266
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: is that an underrated series that doesn't get enough credit

1267
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: much like the grind the grind City history? Is that

1268
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: just another Memphis media market thing? Or you know what

1269
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean? How do how do you? How do you

1270
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: feel when you hear things like, oh, there's we believe team,

1271
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: there's this team that was the one seed beating the

1272
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: you know or losing to the How you feel like

1273
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: when you hear those teams? And you know, sometimes I

1274
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: don't mention the Grind City series.

1275
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that specific series we actually wanted

1276
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: them to you you lost, Yeah, we lost. We took

1277
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 4: our last two games off so we can seed up

1278
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 4: right and be the eighth seed and you know, we

1279
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 4: let Portland get they last win or whatever. But uh,

1280
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 4: we definitely felt that we just had the upside on

1281
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 4: those guys. Like I said, I was, I was more

1282
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: than willing and ready to lock in with Ganobli.

1283
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

1284
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: I thought I thought at that time Tony Parker was

1285
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 4: on the on the decline, at least I thought he was.

1286
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: I thought Mike Connie was a better point guard than

1287
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 4: him that year. And z Bo he was All NBA

1288
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 4: of that year, you know what I'm saying, And Marcasol

1289
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: he was with defensive player walk.

1290
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: In the gym with you know what I mean, Yeah,

1291
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: you ain't mad for feeling that way, Yeah, for you know, yeah,

1292
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: and so and so.

1293
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: With with that being said, it was like it was

1294
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 4: like coach Hollins, Uh, you know what I'm saying, I

1295
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 4: give I give him a lot of kudos in that

1296
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: because he instilled it in us. He told us like, yo,

1297
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 4: I think this this is gonna be our best chance

1298
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 4: to get out this first round. And he was he

1299
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: and we started believing in it, and before you know it, man,

1300
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: we upset uh Coach Popovich, And Coach Popovich.

1301
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: Told the media, you know what, they never ever beat

1302
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: me again. He meant that, he meant that big.

1303
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 4: At the pod that he stood on that business. But

1304
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 4: we caught him by surprise, man. And I don't think

1305
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 4: nobody in the world had us winning. If you look

1306
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 4: at that year, that everybody had us winning out and

1307
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 4: we took that to prize too. Listening to the whispers

1308
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: in the media, and uh, I think that that play

1309
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 4: along side to people, you know, coming out there to compete.

1310
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, everybody count you out. You know, guys that's

1311
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: coming in here just putting.

1312
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: We got the same twenty four as everybody else and

1313
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: were probably working harder just than anybody else, you know,

1314
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: small market team, ready to make some noise and put

1315
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 4: put our team on the map. And I think, I

1316
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: mean our city on the map. And I think we

1317
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: did a good job of that that year. But it

1318
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 4: definitely weighs up with all of you know, we believe

1319
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: and the other guys would have made.

1320
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

1321
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: Zach Randolf was incredible that series. I think when you

1322
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: roll back the tape of just Zebo in Memphis, something

1323
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: that stood out to me is how well you played

1324
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: off of him as a cutter. You got so many

1325
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: buckets off of Zebo post ups as a cutter, had

1326
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: that chemistry developed, and just how nasty. It's got to

1327
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: be pretty demoralizing on the other side when a dude

1328
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: that can't jump over a napkin is jabbing you, yeah

1329
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: and giving rest seventeen points in the fourth quarter. Like

1330
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: z Bo was so good, he was nasty. What was

1331
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: your relationship like with him? And how'd you develop that

1332
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: chemistry of playing and scoring off of him?

1333
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: Man?

1334
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 4: Well, you know I had always watched Zebo, you know,

1335
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: growing up in my career anyway, just watching them from Afar,

1336
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 4: but just to get around him and seither just his

1337
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: work ethic and how he always got in, got in

1338
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 4: and practice and want to compete against you know, he

1339
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 4: wanted to compete against Mark. He used to always tell coach, Hey,

1340
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 4: put me, put me up against Mark. I need to

1341
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: be playing against some small styles I need Like he

1342
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 4: used to always want that smoke and just just to

1343
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 4: see him carry it over and the next day in

1344
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: the games and things of that nature. I already knew

1345
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 4: what he could do, so uh, just me being able

1346
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 4: to cut off him. Is he called so much attention,

1347
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: he gonna bring you for to six points per game?

1348
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I mean? And he he

1349
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: ain't He ain't shot neither he want that ball too,

1350
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: you know.

1351
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 4: And there's one one thing we had to help to

1352
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: up help his game was because he had a back

1353
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: in the day, they used to call him a black hole.

1354
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, meaning if you if you

1355
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 4: throw that ball at the z bo, he not throwing

1356
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 4: it back out, you know.

1357
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

1358
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 4: And so Coach Hollins helped him understand, like, you know what,

1359
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to utilize making that cut pass from

1360
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: t a cut're gonna have to utilize when they double

1361
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 4: from the top throw it back out the mike. You're

1362
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 4: gonna have to utilize sometimes you know, uh, getting it

1363
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: not from the initial but from the high low, you

1364
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

1365
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: And that that's what Coach, That's what Coach helped him with.

1366
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 4: But he used to always tell me if I jacked

1367
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 4: up one of them threes and he touched that ball,

1368
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: he'd tell me, A t A, A t A.

1369
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, he always shaking his head like this A

1370
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: T A. You know, you're gonna get paid in the

1371
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: defensively and the cutting, you know what I'm saying down here.

1372
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 4: So he would let me know, like I'm gonna get you.

1373
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get you cracking ta be cool, you know

1374
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So and that was helpful for me.

1375
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 4: Man and I went man running fifty sixty seventy sprints

1376
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 4: playing defense and them throwing the dog a bone in

1377
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 4: and that then because I was all in, Man, it

1378
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 4: was we hit that one team, one goal, Man said,

1379
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 4: and man we went as ze Bo went Man.

1380
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: That was our doult.

1381
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: Was the thunder Grizzlies. Did you consider that a rivalry

1382
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: because you played each other three times in four playoffs

1383
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: two game seventh series. I know, like you and Perk

1384
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: had history from Boston, so now you're seeing your boy

1385
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: over there, and it seems like kind of a contrastive

1386
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: styles because like, ok see, you got Durant, Westbrook Harden

1387
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: dudes that were immediately superstars. And then on the flip

1388
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: side with Memphis, like it's like you said, z Bo,

1389
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: they called him a black hole. He was kind of

1390
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: a castaway, kind of like a band of misfits, and

1391
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: you end up seeing each other so many times in

1392
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Did you consider that a rivalry?

1393
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: Almost definitely. We considered a rebbit. We always knew that.

1394
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 4: We always looked at them as they was in our way,

1395
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 4: we was in they way.

1396
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: Uh. It was one year.

1397
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 4: I think I played against them two years where they

1398
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 4: had one year without Westbrook. We got past him, and

1399
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 4: I think I played with him. I'm not sure if

1400
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 4: I played ever played with him without Durant, but more

1401
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 4: so than anything, I always looked at it like, yo,

1402
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 4: that's the team to beat. And sure enough they was. Man,

1403
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 4: those young superstars in Westbrook and Durant. Man, you you've

1404
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: seen what they become man over the years.

1405
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: Man. And like I say, I had huge respect for him.

1406
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 4: I always, you know what I'm saying, got my rest

1407
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 4: when it was time to play them, and used to

1408
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: go eat at Mickey Mantles. They knew me first. Hey,

1409
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 4: that restaurant so pop and I used to go in there.

1410
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 4: They called me by name, what's up baby?

1411
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: And I go in there. Man.

1412
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: But no, Man, There'm just some memories that I'll never forget.

1413
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 4: Those battles, man. I respect, and we definitely had some classes.

1414
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 4: I remember it being a thriller.

1415
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: One year.

1416
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 4: I remember the first time they beat us when they

1417
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 4: had James Harden and they went to the they went

1418
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 4: to the finals there, yeah, and it was like yeah,

1419
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 4: like a three overtime thing. And I remember telling Coach

1420
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 4: Holland's telling Grievers Vasquez, Yo, we got these dudes. Just

1421
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 4: whatever you do when they go to the hole and

1422
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 4: gotta see Mark, do not come off your men. And

1423
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 4: Grievers Vasquez he came off as men. And I think

1424
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 4: it was Westbrook. He was in the trail for three.

1425
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 4: He hit the three man and they won that game.

1426
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: Had we won that game, we'd have been up like

1427
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 4: three to one, I believe, and they end up winning

1428
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 4: that series.

1429
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's to ask your question, that's definitely a rap.

1430
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you had an incredible, incredible journey man. Your

1431
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: legacy is cemented in Memphis forever because you're still there

1432
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 3: and you in the Truth Lounge life and the Truth

1433
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 3: Lounge now. But your heart and you know what I mean,

1434
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: and your body is still in Memphis.

1435
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

1436
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: We heard like you had a lasting impact. We heard

1437
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 3: stuff fong like Herb Jones said, I watched a ton

1438
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: of Tony Allen and Kawhi Leonard. I think my defense

1439
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 3: and how I see the game is something where I've

1440
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: tried to watch safeties in the NFL. Ed reed Cam Chancellor.

1441
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 3: If I could take pieces from their mentality. Then I

1442
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 3: could roam around easily on the basketball court. We talked

1443
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 3: about it earlier. I called it like Tony on the

1444
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 3: pre production, I called Tod Jyllen, I like in your

1445
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: defense of like being a cornerback, you know what I mean,

1446
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 3: taking away you know what I mean, the best receiver,

1447
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: not even having to go into the huddle like Dion

1448
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 3: because we already know what time it is. I'm supposed

1449
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 3: to take him, follow him around everywhere as well. So

1450
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 3: when you hear you know players, you know current players,

1451
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, players of our generation. I'm

1452
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: sure you heard your ogs give you compliments on you know,

1453
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: carrying the torch if you know on the defensive side

1454
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: of the ball, you know, I know, I'm sure your jersey,

1455
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 3: you know, retirement and all that is on the way.

1456
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: But how do you feel like your legacy are? You

1457
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 3: know you heard you look back at some regrets, your injuries.

1458
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean that the worst times that

1459
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: gave me flashbacks that that just happens in the league.

1460
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: That happened me a bunch of times too. Right when

1461
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: you're about to go somewhere, some silly shit happened. So

1462
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: when you think back of your legacy, you know what

1463
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: I mean in the NBA, whether that be Memphis or

1464
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 3: Boston or whatever. That is. First of all, where would

1465
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: you like to see a Tha statue? What jersey would

1466
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: it be wearing? And then what do you think here

1467
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 3: your legacy or your lasting markets that you know what

1468
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 3: I mean that you're gonna leave in the NBA.

1469
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 4: As oh Man, Most definitely it gotta be in Memphis, man, honestly,

1470
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 4: because you know that's why I pretty much gained my

1471
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 4: own identity, not saying that I didn't like being in

1472
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 4: the shadows of those Hall of famers and Ray and

1473
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 4: Tiket and Paul. However, I was able to, you know,

1474
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 4: get to Memphis and uh just identify what my true

1475
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 4: talent was and how I had to you know, alter

1476
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 4: my game after injury. And I thought the city of

1477
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 4: Memphis not only you know, show Southern hospitality, but you

1478
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 4: know they accepted me with open arms, and you know,

1479
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 4: just the community work that I do, you know, just

1480
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 4: the way that the Grizzlies have always had my back

1481
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 4: through ups and downs. And like I say, far as

1482
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 4: the far as is the legacy on the defensive end, Uh,

1483
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 4: I'm kind of flattered. Herb Jones, you know, said that

1484
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 4: because you know, I took I took heat, and I

1485
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 4: took a serious notes in my craft and trying to

1486
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 4: be the best defender, you know in the world. You

1487
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, you know, looking at guys like

1488
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 4: you know, Bruce Bourne, Shane Batty, A run our test

1489
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 4: these guys, I played at the highest level and stuck

1490
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 4: some of the best players in the world. And just

1491
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 4: to know that Herb Jones and even even said that,

1492
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 4: it further lets me know my legacy is on is

1493
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 4: implemented on the defensive end, and it's hit the state

1494
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 4: that that style of basketball it'll come back. I'm pretty

1495
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 4: sure to come back. You look at how they playing

1496
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 4: the game today with all this one fifty five, one fifties.

1497
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 3: Like want yeah, letting it, let it, let it yeah,

1498
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 3: because those are we're missing out on good players, not

1499
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: highlighting what people are doing defensive side of the back

1500
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 3: on the basketball exactly.

1501
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 4: And I'm and I'm a huge fan of Herb Jones, man.

1502
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 4: I like how he get in the passing lane. I

1503
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 4: like how he always up for a China sticking the

1504
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 4: best player on the opposing team. So once he said

1505
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 4: t A that Hey, all that lets we know is

1506
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 4: grit and grand is gonna live forever. Man, first team fact.

1507
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 2: Uh, before we get out of here, last thing I

1508
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: want you to do, thank you so much for your time.

1509
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: I want you to build a starting lineup. You don't

1510
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: know what the what the other side of the ball

1511
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: is going to be. You gotta build a starting lineup

1512
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: of just pure defense. You are in that starting lineup.

1513
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: So who are you putting around you?

1514
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 3: In that five?

1515
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 2: Gotta stop anybody?

1516
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 4: All right off, rip man, you know I'm going with

1517
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 4: my og, Gary Page at the glove. You know you

1518
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 4: gotta have a glove. And that also a champion. Let's

1519
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 4: put some respect in his name to NBA champion at

1520
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 4: the at the four. At the four, I'm going my

1521
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 4: other og, Kevin got that big Lord. I'm gonna putting

1522
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: Lord at the four obviously, you know I want I want.

1523
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 4: I want him in any picking roll I can every

1524
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 4: time I every time I hear pick and roll covers,

1525
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 4: I can hear him.

1526
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: Hey Lord, Hey Lord, cit the right sit, the right lord,

1527
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: the right gun. So I can hear that right now. Uh,

1528
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: at the three, we're gonna go three.

1529
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 4: We're gonna We're gonna go. We're gonna go, Scottie Pippots.

1530
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 4: Don't go, Scottie Pippot. Man, you know what I'm saying,

1531
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 4: six ring, Scottie Man.

1532
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. At the five, I'm going margasol.

1533
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 4: Man, Defensive player of the Year. Man, that's my boy. Man,

1534
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 4: AKA missed the first team. Man, you know what I'm saying.

1535
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 4: And uh, that five right there, I believe, Man, we're

1536
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 4: gonna lock some down.

1537
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: Man.

1538
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't even think it'll be no buckets.

1539
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard to get the ball up the court.

1540
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 3: How to catch it on the wing. Yes, a couple

1541
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 3: of shots gonna get it raised if they do.

1542
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 4: People, I'm talking about early GP ninety four feet GP. Yeah,

1543
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 4: he talking about say hey, yeah, what you're gonna do?

1544
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna do nothing with the bubble gun that

1545
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 4: g I wote that GP man me. You know, first

1546
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 4: team All defense, dabbing on lose balls, man, giving everybody

1547
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 4: you know, putting them in rhythm. Scottie Pipot Man, you

1548
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: know that stretch arm strong man, he's still and everything

1549
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 4: come through the passing lane.

1550
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: So we in the game. Man, h well, tam Man.

1551
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. You can catch you on the truth

1552
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: lines of this week, looking forward to and Man, First Team,

1553
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: First Team, Grandfather Forever. We appreciate your time and this

1554
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun.

1555
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: First must love Man. We finished in the buy more

1556
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 3: time for first Team.

1557
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 1: Hey, you're gonna have me going there and make me

1558
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: a cocktail right now?

1559
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, you're welcome. It's Thursday, Man, that's the end

1560
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 3: of the work week. Shipuz love Bro.