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Speaker 1: All Right, lucid dreaming, dreaming, wide awake. Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Lucid dreaming their dreams where you know you're in the

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Speaker 1: dream right exactly exactly, it's a dream when you're aware

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Speaker 1: and awake in the dream while it is actually happening.

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Speaker 1: You See, what we normally do is when we're normally

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Speaker 1: asleep and dreaming, we confuse the dream world with the

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Speaker 1: waking world. In other words, while we're asleep and dreaming,

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Speaker 1: we think that we're awake. We think we're interacting with

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Speaker 1: real people in the real world, even though our bodies

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Speaker 1: are lying peacefully, sleeping away, snoring in bed in a

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Speaker 1: lucid dream. We have the knowledge, the understanding that we're

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Speaker 1: dreaming while it is actually happening, and can then take

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Speaker 1: advantage of this incredible opportunity to interact in a world

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Speaker 1: that the laws of physics no longer operate. We can

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Speaker 1: do whatever we want, whatever we imagine. We can have

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Speaker 1: interactions with people without the biological or social consequences that

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Speaker 1: we have to deal with in this world. So it's

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Speaker 1: a incredible opportunity for fantasy fulfillment to experiment with things

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Speaker 1: that we would love to do in this world that

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Speaker 1: maybe are a little too timid to do. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can fly, you can have sex with

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Speaker 1: your ideal lover. You can go through walls, you can

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Speaker 1: communicate with people who have passed on, you can communicate

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Speaker 1: with historical figures. And this is really just the beginning

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Speaker 1: all these fantasy fulfillment things because it can also be

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Speaker 1: used as a powerful technique for for therapy, feutic healing

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Speaker 1: for from different illnesses, from trauma, as a way of

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Speaker 1: performance enhancement, for building skills, practicing different skills. There's even

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Speaker 1: scientific evidence that people who practice particular skills in a

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Speaker 1: lucid dream, do perform better afterwards. Um. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: even beyond that, it can be used as a tool

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Speaker 1: for creativity, inspiration, and even spiritual growth. So there's a

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Speaker 1: there's quite a whole world that can open up when

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Speaker 1: one understands that our dreams are actually realities that we

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Speaker 1: can enter into and interact with. Is it easy to

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Speaker 1: enter the lucid dream state. It takes a bit of practice.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the average person will have ah, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you look at the population, um, around

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Speaker 1: some point in their life. If people start practicing techniques

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Speaker 1: to help them lucid dream, they can lucid dream better

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Speaker 1: than seventy at the time if they practice. UM. They

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Speaker 1: just recently did a scientific study. It showed that when

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Speaker 1: people combine two different lucid dream techniques more than fifty

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Speaker 1: of the time, they will then have a lucid dream

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Speaker 1: within a week. So it's it's kind of like developing

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Speaker 1: an athletic skill. You have to sort of practice these

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Speaker 1: can you alter it when you're in it. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: That's the most exciting thing about a lucid dream is

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Speaker 1: that you can't exactly. You know, some people have the

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Speaker 1: misconception that you can control the dream, that you can

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Speaker 1: it really isn't. Is science investigating this? Yeah? You know?

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Speaker 1: when you're dreaming, when you're asleep, your body goes into

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Speaker 1: sometimes call it the Old Hag syndromes. Yeah, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: we can talk about that later. But most of the time,

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Speaker 1: this process. So do you uncover experiences in the dream

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if they're actual memories from previous dreams

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Speaker 1: But it is it is interesting. I have had deja experiences,

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Speaker 1: lucid after we die in these bar to states, and

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