1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders Monday, Week seventeen. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: Yes, this is no Week seventeen by day football has 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: not getting picked off between the Falcons and the Rams, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: a game that has implications on the NFC front, across 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: the seating and across the NFC South as well. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Didn't even realize this until Mike Trico Thomas last night. 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: I didn't realize it either, didn't even say. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: It, didn't even introduce you yet, the part all right 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: til network the Insider extraordinary. 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, none of us realizing. 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people didn't until Mike 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: Drinkotoba that the Falcons had a factor in what happens 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: with the Buccaneers and Panthers. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: We'll get to that later. We will get to Judy 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 4: Batista as well as she is here with us. 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: Judy, I was. 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: Definitely gonna introduce you first, but he plut it in 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 4: so I. 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 3: Had to be really there. 20 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 4: I was with, Yeah, Mike Carfalo here story and full 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: our lives. 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: We have got a lot to get through what we 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: said and look forward to Week eighteen. 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 4: To look forward to the both season and look forward. 25 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: I guess at some point we'll drop a few coachings 26 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: as well, because the day after the season is when 27 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: we see a lot up comings. And going with that regard, 28 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: here is your full week eighteen schedule that went out 29 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: late Sunday night after a thrilling Sunday night football game 30 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: that we are about to get through just a couple 31 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: of minutes. 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 4: Here. 33 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Those games on Saturday, huge implications in the NFC South 34 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: and MC West and the NFC with regard to the 35 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: number one seed for ESPN on Saturday and then the 36 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Sundays late and yes, we do have a Sunday night 37 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: football game. Look for a moment like maybe we wouldn't 38 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: because I forget what year it was, the NFL said, well, 39 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: there's no real win and in scenario, so we're not 40 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: going to do Sunday night football. 41 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: Thankfully, we've got a few of them. 42 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: And one of them is the Ragements against the Sealers 43 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: Sunday night football. So before we get in all that, 44 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about Sunday Night football from Week seventeen the. 45 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: Bears and to forty nine Ers an unbelievable game. 46 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of things that Tarrico and NBC educated us on 47 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the tie et set. 48 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: Tie fourteen, tie twenty one, I think it went up 49 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: to twenty eight if I'm not mistake, maybe even thirty 50 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: five the. 51 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: First time in NFL exte What a game between these 52 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: two teams. 53 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams and Brock Berty both showing us why they 54 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 5: are valuable to the team, to their teams despite being 55 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 5: drafted ex truly different spots. 56 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: Judy, starting with you, what set out to you about 57 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: this game? 58 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: How thrilling was it to have a game like this 59 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: where frankly any points and then it ended. 60 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: On the defensive stuff. 61 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 6: So on NFL dot com there has been a running 62 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 6: poll of best games of the season, voted on by 63 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 6: a whole bunch of us, and like each Monday morning 64 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 6: or really early Tuesday morning, you sort of submit your 65 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: five best of the season. And for a long time, 66 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 6: the Week one Baltimore Buffalo game was number one, like 67 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 6: it was such a great game to start the season, 68 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 6: and it stayed at number one for like weeks and 69 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 6: weeks and weeks, and then then Week sixteen happened and 70 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 6: that blew it up. And then yesterday and you're just like, 71 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 6: what is going on yesterday? As soon as the right 72 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 6: the pick six on the first play, I was like, 73 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 6: whoa Okay, all right, that's a way to start. And 74 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 6: then it just went completely off the rails after that. 75 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 6: What a great game. I actually came away feeling really 76 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 6: good about both teams, although I'm like a little concerned 77 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 6: about the forty nine Ers defense because I really feel 78 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 6: like the forty nine Ers are a super Bowl caliber team. 79 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 6: Now we can talk more about Kyle Shanahan and the 80 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 6: job he has done. But I actually came away feeling 81 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 6: pretty good about both teams and about the Bear's ability 82 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 6: to stay with the you know, the teams that we 83 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 6: think are the elite teams in the NFL, they're just great. 84 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 6: It was just a great game. 85 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I kept thinking, it was a 86 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: great game. And you know, if this is an NFC 87 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: title game, we can see where see where everyone is seated, 88 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: if this even possible for to be, but like that 89 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: would be pretty good. A couple of things. First of all, 90 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: like we know the forty nine Ers of star power. 91 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: They've been in the super Bowl before, and they've been, 92 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, in big game. The Bears we sort of 93 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: didn't know, like Caleb really is becoming a star before 94 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: very eyes. And you know, to me, like they didn't 95 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: win obviously, but they definitely could have and played well 96 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: enough too, And like I wouldn't be surprised or upset 97 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: at all if they were in the title game or 98 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: even the Super Bowl or any of that. What I 99 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: kept thinking, though, is about the Bucks. We spent all 100 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: season talking about how when the Bucks just get their 101 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: guys back, they're gonna be ready rolling, They're going to 102 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: be so good. And then they got all of their 103 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: guys back, and they have been bad, and with the 104 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: forty nine ers, it's like, well they're okay, they're treading water, 105 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: but like when they get Brock back, then they're really 106 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: going to cook. And then you know, when they have 107 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: the receivers healthy, it's and then now it's all happening. 108 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: I know Kill didn't play, but like Brock looks amazing. 109 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: It's everything we all anticipated. Like they were kind of 110 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: like hanging around, hanging around, hanging around, and then have 111 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: taken this like unbelievable leap when they got their good 112 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 3: players back, and like they are really really. 113 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: I think the Bears had showed us the game in 114 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: Green Bay where they they didn't win the game, but 115 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: they were right there at the end the game last 116 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: night in San Francisco as well in a couple of 117 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: other ones in recent. 118 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: Weeks where they don't packed up there. They're not intimidated, 119 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: they're not afraid. Even within the game. 120 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: Because that Hackers game was fourteen to three, I remember thinking, 121 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: all right, this is a team that maybe got out 122 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: too far in front. 123 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: Of their skis. 124 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Now let's see how they handle it. And they fought 125 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: back in that game. They fought back again in this game. 126 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: So two losses, but to me went toe to toe, 127 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: and I thought it was a little unfair. I love 128 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: for you know me number one Fantom Colt, though it 129 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: was a little unfair. 130 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 4: After the game went there was an opening here. 131 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: Because I remember they did show that angle before or 132 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: now a similar angle. 133 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 4: I said, ah, hey sort of had a window. 134 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: But for us to watch it from up here and say, well, 135 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: he cleared in the back, but then there was another 136 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: guy coming the other way and he's clearing behind him. 137 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: He was saying that somebody was open. 138 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a brief little week for a second. 139 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and it yeah, possibly, but and frankly 140 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 7: he's I mean the running back in the flat I 141 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 7: thought was the best chance because that was a one 142 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 7: But like if you throw that, then he gets tackled 143 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 7: on the five yard line in a one on one. 144 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: You're like, why did you throw it? So I don't. 145 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think they just did a better defense, 146 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: just did a better job. 147 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: There was CPS I think started this maybe even twenty 148 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: years ago, when they had that eye vision to remember 149 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: where they You see the replay here and all of 150 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: a sudden. 151 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: It moves and you see it from that dude like, hey, 152 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 4: here's what it looks like up here from the coaches 153 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: back where the camera was. Oh, and now take it 154 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: back to Cato. 155 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 1: But he's got four guys between him and the open receiver. 156 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: So he played spectacular. A lot of talk on social 157 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: media last night, A boy his arms right, Yeah, he's 158 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: supremely Hell did you. 159 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 160 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: But but last year we all decided that Jaden was better. Yes, 161 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: And I think that's sort of the lens that we're 162 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: all like, wow, you know what. I also, that was interesting, 163 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: I forget. One of the announcers said it last night 164 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: to Judy was like, so the Bears get the ball 165 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 3: and they're down five or whatever it was or four, 166 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: and they're like, I think the Bears are more comfortable 167 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: here than they would be if they had the lead, 168 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: And I was like, I think you're right because the 169 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: Bears are so good trailing needing to have it with 170 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: the game on the line, and then they didn't get it. 171 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: But like the point was made that makes them really 172 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: dangerous in the postseason. 173 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 6: Can we just say one more thing. I know we 174 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 6: talked about this a few weeks ago. You can make 175 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 6: a really good case for Kyle Shanahan as Coach of 176 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 6: the Year. I don't know if he's going to get it, 177 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 6: but the case is only getting better. I mean, if 178 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 6: they are the number one seed after the injuries that 179 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 6: they have gotten through this season, that is a It's 180 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 6: a tough vote. It is a great field this year 181 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 6: for Coach of the Year. Man is Kyle putting on 182 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 6: a clinicoto is a. 183 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: Wild card duty. 184 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: So if he gets the number one seed, I'm gonna 185 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: look for a second vote that I could potentially. 186 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you actually you actually have a vote? 187 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: We do too. 188 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't too, we do, yes, yes, the uh 189 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: we would like to say I look a speak for dout. 190 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank the Associated Press because for years, 191 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: when the NFL media group was formed, they said, well, 192 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: the technically employees of the league. 193 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: We don't want the league to have an input on 194 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: who the award winners are. And Rob Moddy, who I've 195 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: known forever was I worked for and with the Associated 196 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: Press in Philadelphia back. 197 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 8: In two and four, has been advocating for us and saying, look, yeah, 198 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 8: they're technically employees in the league, but they're independent and 199 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 8: and they know enough about football. 200 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: They know more than at other people about football. So 201 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: I thank Rob for giving us a book. 202 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 4: Yeah me, hey, listen, you know pretty nice. Sometimes you 203 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: get more piece of honey, and I'll say it that way. 204 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: So now let's flip this forward the Week eighteen with 205 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: the Seahawks and the forty nine ers. 206 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: It don't the Lion's proposal to see by record last year, 207 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 5: j Do you remember, I mean, it seemed like it 208 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 5: started to get some momentum last year. It didn't get approved, 209 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 5: it got some and you wonder as you start to 210 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 5: because one of these teams is unfortunately they're going to 211 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 5: go on the road potentially depending on where it all falls, 212 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 5: could be with the NFC South winner. 213 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: But this, this is what you want in Week eighteen, 214 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: and I came a wait for this. 215 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 6: One uh, the scheduling department. Shout out to Mike North 216 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 6: and his crew, the scheduling department. I mean, could not 217 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 6: have hit this more out of the park. First of all, 218 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 6: to have this game, the NFC game, to have the 219 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 6: NFC South game, that's. 220 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: Just that didn't surprise you on Saturday. 221 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 6: That they put it on Saturday. Well, I think they 222 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 6: gave ESPN really really good games, and rather than put 223 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 6: one of those games in the four to twenty five 224 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 6: windows you put you put a standalone four twenty five 225 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 6: game on Saturday, the standalone Saturday primetime game, and then 226 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 6: you've got the blockbuster Sunday primetime game, right like that? 227 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 6: Which is that is? 228 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: I guess so this week the best sponsor the Sunday 229 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: night game first and the Saturday night game second. I 230 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: assume because four o'clock is so crowded. 231 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 6: I just think you've got a lot of stand You've 232 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 6: got three standalone windows, and you've got the premier games 233 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 6: in those standalone windows. This week. 234 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And we. 235 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Started with thinking we were gonna have none of these 236 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: and then we end up having, uh, well two of 237 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: them for the division, well three of them for the division, 238 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: but two of them win and get in type stuff, 239 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: and you do like that you have that separate last game, 240 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: the finale in the regular season, involving a team that 241 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: was in a phenomenal Week. 242 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: One game in the rate it's actually phenomenal Week one game. 243 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: The Steelers as well the game against the Jets, which 244 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: feels like eons ago that I covered Week one that 245 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: was at one o'clock games were a I mean, do 246 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: you remember what year it was that they made the 247 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: Week eighteen, maybe even the week seventeen, and we're going 248 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: to end with the digional matchups that way. 249 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been that way. I don't know if it's 250 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 6: been a decade. It's been a long time though, because 251 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 6: you know, at some point they decided they were going 252 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 6: to stack the schedule, right, they would wait to announce 253 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 6: the final week schedule to stack it so that you'd 254 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 6: sort of get the rolling effect of rolling into the 255 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 6: final games of the season with massive implications. I can't 256 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 6: remember when they went to all division games. I mean, 257 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 6: it's obviously worked out fantastically well for them, and never 258 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 6: more so, I can't remember going into a final week 259 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 6: of the season where you have this many, you know, 260 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 6: win or die games. 261 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: Basically it is one thing that is really cool. And 262 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: I was sort of thinking about this with the It's 263 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 3: Bears Lions, right, I was thinking about this. I was 264 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: thinking about this because if the Bears had a chance 265 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: at the number one seed, and I would kept thinking, like, God, 266 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: Lions are going to just be so happy to knock 267 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: them out of it. That doesn't matter. But like, it 268 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: really is a cool thing to have a division opponent, 269 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: a fierce rival, have the opportunity to ruin everything for 270 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: what their other rival is trying to do. You know, 271 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: Like I like I like that part. It's not so 272 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: it's not just like, Okay, well the Ravens and Steelers 273 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: are playing for the division. It's also like one rival 274 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: can make it very miserable in another rival, and like 275 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: that's kind of cool. 276 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 9: You know, no matter who you wind up with as 277 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 9: the one seed, really in both conferences, Seattle, San Franisco, 278 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 9: it's gonna be a yeah butt team. 279 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: Right, You're gonna get teams that people are gonn say. 280 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, but not Seattle. 281 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 5: It's a yeah butt team that's in the quarterback is 282 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 5: the butt one team? 283 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: No, we know what you meant, we know what you met, Sorry, Sam? 284 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 4: Which is which is great. 285 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think I was texting with I think 286 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: it was Jeff Schwartz, former lineman in the NFL Panthers 287 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: and Giants, and we were going over We were text 288 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: about bunch of stuff and then he goes, oh, yeah, 289 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: by the way, who wins the Super Bowl? I mean, 290 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: there are double digit teams that you could make a 291 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: case for and people will argue with you because that's 292 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: what we do. But I don't remember a year ever 293 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: with it being this wide open. We've had, you know, 294 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: like the Giants, one from the. 295 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: Seventh seed, the six seed, excuse me, the Packers. I 296 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: think we're a six seed when they wanted to and 297 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 4: they had all those Steelers went on a run as 298 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: a wild card, the last team to get in back 299 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: in five. 300 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: I think I wonder who the most likely team this 301 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: year would be, Texans, maybe the most likely six or 302 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: seven team to get in. 303 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 4: Judy my crazy as anybody. 304 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 6: I think it's almost anybody. I mean, look at the field, 305 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 6: it's almost anybody. Rams you could certainly see going on 306 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 6: a run, right. 307 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: Packers would be tough. 308 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 6: Packers are tough because of Micah. 309 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: The AFC picture. Let me see that. 310 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 6: Let's look at the a f C. Any of these teams. 311 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: I mean the Bills. I could absolutely see the Bills 312 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: in it. Texans, I feel like the Texans to me now, 313 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 3: they're not as like as like what we saw from 314 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: Texans Chargers was the opposite of last night's game, right. 315 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: It was like full on defense, intensity, every yard matters. Like. 316 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: I feel like both of those teams could get in 317 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: and I'd be like, and it'd be the ugly super 318 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: Bowl ever and it'd be great. 319 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: Since we do this on NFL network, I'm gonna do 320 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: it here. Do you know who the odds on favorite is? 321 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: Right now? 322 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: Both of you? 323 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 6: No idea, no idea. 324 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: Rams. 325 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 6: I would have said the Rams, but just for the 326 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 6: sake of. 327 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 4: Right now, listen, I do love the team on top 328 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: of the mountain. Who's going to knock them all? But 329 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 4: I'm ready for up and setting up. 330 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 6: I think you're going to get chaos this January. 331 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more on the Insiders. 332 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: But a game we had, uh, I mean, we had 333 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of amazing games for different reasons. 334 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: But the game in Cleveland. 335 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: Between the Steelers and the Browns, I say, what a 336 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: game because it's thirteen to six everybody goes, oh, we 337 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: love all That's like you knew coming in it's gonna 338 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: be this kind of a game. There were so many 339 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: different subplots in this game. And you've got Miles Garrett 340 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: saying the Steelers are more concerned about stopping me from 341 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: getting the record, which I. 342 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: Know you feel no sense. It's the stupidest thing ever, 343 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: makes no sense. If I was going to design a 344 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: game plan to beat the Browns, the most important thing 345 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: I would do is make sure the Miles Garrett does 346 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: not get any sacks. So like they weren't more concerned, 347 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: they were properly concerned. 348 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 6: Which which is what Tomlin said. Tom Tomlin basically said 349 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 6: like yeah, like yeah, like he's the most destructive guy 350 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 6: in the league. 351 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: Every team does that properly and observedly concerned. Yeah, you 352 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: know what's so interesting about this these games, Judy is 353 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: like it benefited the It did not benefit the Browns 354 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: to win. It really didn't. They should have lost. They 355 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: would have been got a better quarterback, they would have 356 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: had to trade less. They should have lost. 357 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 358 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: And obviously, like that would have been better for the 359 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: Steelers they'd be in the playoffs and all that. But 360 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: the Browns cared so much about beating their rival, trying 361 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: to keep them out of the playoffs and just playing 362 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 3: the game as they should be played that they worked 363 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: against their own benefit and won and to win the game. Yeah, 364 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: and it created like a cool moment. And I know 365 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: there are benefits to winning besides alet culture and all that, 366 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: but like, it's just such a fascinating thing that they 367 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: tried so hard and played so well and one when 368 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: it actually benefits them not at all. 369 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we'll get to this when we talk about 370 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 6: the Giants and the Raiders game, right, exactly the same 371 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 6: thing did not benefit the Giants to win that game, 372 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 6: and which is why the tanking thing is like a 373 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 6: concept that we people in the media like to talk 374 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 6: about and fans like to talk about, but players and 375 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 6: coaches are like, uh, yeah, no, we're not going to 376 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 6: do that. We're playing the brown the Browns and Steelers. 377 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 6: When DK Metcalf got suspended and it was upheld for 378 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 6: two games, you just thought like, ooh, that could be 379 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 6: really tough for them, and they better beat the I 380 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 6: was they better beat the Browns. That's their chance. You 381 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 6: better beat the Browns because now you've got to face 382 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 6: the Ravens theoretically with a Lamar coming back, like because 383 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 6: that's going to be uphill. And you saw how devastating 384 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 6: it was to not have DK Metcalf for the Steelers yesterday. 385 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 6: I mean they could not uh, I mean, they could 386 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 6: not generate offense at all, They could not move the 387 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 6: ball at all. It was just I mean, it was devastating. 388 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: I think again, No, I was just gonna say, we 389 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time talking about DK Metcalf a 390 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 3: lot of time, and one thing we didn't talk about 391 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: was the actual football impact. Like we didn't. It's like, 392 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 3: this could be really devastating because you know, his stats 393 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 3: are okay, I don't know that his stats are exactly 394 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: what they wanted, but the impact he has on the 395 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: offense is a lot. I mean he draws defense, he 396 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: draws attention, he can go deep, he can change the 397 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: game with one play, all of the things, and it's like, 398 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 3: you know, they really are a plotting offense without him. 399 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 3: And now it's like, well, it's no big deal because 400 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: he'll be back for the playoffs. I mean I said 401 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: DK Metcalf will be back for the playoffs probably ten times, 402 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: and that's definitely true unless they don't make the playoffs, 403 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 3: in which case he will not be back for the playoffs. 404 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 3: So it's like they've had to do this without Dk 405 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: and without t J. Watt, who, like I sort of 406 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: assumed he'd be back and now like we don't even 407 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: know if he's gonna be back week eighteen. The whole 408 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: thing is a challenge. It really is. 409 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: Needles into the lungs tend to be bad things and 410 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: to come back from. 411 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 4: It's not turned antal with DK Metcalf. 412 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: It was a multi year quest for a number one 413 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver. 414 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: Remember brand that I you can see what you need 415 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 4: to involved in that situation. So if you. 416 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: Want to know what it means, what he means for them, 417 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: don't forget how long the search was for them to 418 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: land on him, to eventually break him in. 419 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 4: We did a segment on Get on Football last week 420 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 4: and it was what word, what one word do you 421 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: come up with for the Steelers or what word comes 422 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 4: to your mind? 423 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: How do you do Mine was perplexed because they're just 424 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: such a confusing theme for for a number of reasons, 425 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: and just when you think they're. 426 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 4: Hitting their stride and oh, it's a Tunel type team. 427 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: I mean, they don't run. 428 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: The ball particularly well del Lauren can give it to 429 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: here and there. 430 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: They don't to play. 431 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: Defense the way Tomlo team usually does. 432 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: They don't win in spots like this yesterday like a 433 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: Tamlin team typically does. 434 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 4: They're done then they kind of sort of rise back up. 435 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: So if they come back and win this week, certainly 436 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if to just be another of this 437 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: doesn't really fit this team, but you're going against a 438 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: Raven team that may or may not have Lamar jacks 439 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: and I and give us your early. 440 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: Read on that one right now, I mean early readers. 441 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: The Baltimore Ravens are optimistic that Lamar Jackson will be back, 442 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: which I think is important. But I might have said 443 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: the same last week. Honestly, Like, I think they're pretty optimistic. 444 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Harbaugh said on the record that he 445 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: thought there was a good chance Lamar to be back, 446 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: and he wasn't so like as far as actual reporting, 447 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: you know, we would say, like sources say this guy 448 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: is gonna whatever. It's like, I don't know that I 449 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: could say that right now. Because they are optimistic. They 450 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: do think Lamar is going to be back. But nobody 451 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 3: would bet their life on it. And like we have 452 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 3: learned that when Lamar is injured, it really does take 453 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: on a little bit of a life of its own. 454 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: And that, yeah, that makes it weird. That just I mean, 455 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: that just makes it weird. 456 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: Judy, I've said that, like the Steeler team doesn't feel 457 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: like a typical Steiler team. 458 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: Raymon Sea doesn't feel like a typical rating Rainy team either. 459 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 4: They're they're they're you know, formidable in some areas, but 460 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: not quite. Like even Lamar himself doesn't scare you like 461 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: he usually does. 462 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 6: As No, We've said it all season, they are they 463 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 6: have been a tick off, right, Lamar has been off 464 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 6: all season. We know about the leg injuries. Clearly that's 465 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 6: impacting his ability to run. That is a huge dimension 466 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 6: of his game and of their game. And there's also 467 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 6: just been weird moments, right Like I still go back 468 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 6: to the game against New England when Derrick Henry is 469 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 6: not on the field with the game in question, right like, 470 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 6: and you don't have Derrick Henry on the field, I 471 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 6: still go back to, like, how does that happen? 472 00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: How? 473 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 6: How does that happen? So there have been weird moments 474 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 6: like that get Week one against the Bills where they 475 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 6: had the lead, they were winning the game and then 476 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 6: they collapsed at the end. So there have just been 477 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 6: weird moments that are not like the Baltimore Ravens, not 478 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 6: like a Harball team. And you know, listen right now, 479 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 6: it's all coming back to Lamar. He has not been 480 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 6: right and he hasn't been right for a long time. 481 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 6: And even if he plays this week, how close to 482 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 6: right will he be? 483 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: John Harvell said that there was no significant damage based 484 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: on the testing last week if he doesn't play this week, 485 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: And there's already been reporting about where the relationship is 486 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: between Harball and Lamar, which Harball did deny, but of course, 487 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: like even if it was. 488 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 4: That way, I wouldn't essions come out, So there you go. 489 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, But if he doesn't play, it's just going to 490 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: create some more that angster or from the outside looking 491 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: in types of I don't know where it's gonna line 492 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: up going back, So I'll keep an eye on that 493 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: throughout the week. We'll see how this game go with 494 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: the other play in game, because we have the divisional 495 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: game the NFC West, but the playing game in the 496 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: NFC South, the Buccaneers because I. 497 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 10: Had a double check this yesterday or one in seven 498 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 10: in their last eight I don't know that you could 499 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 10: be one and seven in your last day at any 500 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 10: point of the season and expect to be playing for 501 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 10: the division week eighteen. 502 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 11: Yet here we are and then just one more time 503 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 11: for MS up. The Falcons can't win the division, but 504 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 11: if they get into a three way tie, it changes 505 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 11: the tie breaker from. 506 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: Common games, which would be in the Buccaneers advantage too. 507 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: I believe had the head between the three or something 508 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: like that, so that would then go toward the pant 509 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: So this can all be cleaned if the Rams. 510 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: Just take care of business on Monday night. 511 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: But back to this matchet between the Panthers and the Buccaneers, 512 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: which was a close one a couple of weeks ago, 513 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: when the Buccaneers came out and wanted to run the 514 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: ball we see time in the past against the Panthers. 515 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: I just don't know how you have such negative momentum 516 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're just going to 517 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: dig in, Like if the Panthers win this game, I'll go, Okay. 518 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: The way it's really been trending, they had been perfect, 519 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: but there's been more positive momentum there. 520 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 4: How can the Buccaneers possibly dig in there? 521 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 6: Well? The reason why this is still in flux is 522 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 6: because while the Bucks have been caving in, the Panthers 523 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 6: can't go on a winning streak. They have not won 524 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 6: consecutive game since like mid October win loss, win, loss, 525 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 6: win loss. This week would be a win week eighteen. 526 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 6: They are on pace for a win since they lost 527 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 6: last week. Listen, we all thought that the Bucks, as 528 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 6: Ian said earlier, when they got healthy, when they got 529 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 6: their guys back, that things would click into place. It 530 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 6: has not happened. Baker is not playing anywhere near as 531 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 6: well as he was playing earlier in the season. Lots 532 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 6: of turnervers, lots of turnovers. I can't remember what the 533 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 6: number is, but it's bad. Like, how do you dig 534 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 6: in if at last moment, well, I mean, because you're 535 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 6: alive and you're playing a similarly desperate team. I mean, 536 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 6: that's the only thing you can hang your hat on, 537 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 6: is like both teams are sort of in the same 538 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 6: weird spot of your I mean, like you know, you 539 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 6: just sort of have to summon the will. You've got 540 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 6: this opportunity in front of you to do it. I mean, 541 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 6: it is it has been rough going for the box. 542 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's very hard to see how they 543 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 6: pull themselves out of the tailspin. But you know what, 544 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 6: you're not overwhelmed by the Panthers either, So why not? 545 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 546 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: And if I mean, and if the Bucks win, which 547 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: you know obviously they haven't won in a while and 548 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: didn't play well yesterday, like, and you're right, Like, I 549 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: think the thing with Baker and I feared this when 550 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: he had that left shoulder injury and then was like, 551 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 3: all right, I'm playing the last time he had a 552 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: left shoulder injury like this, this is not as bad. 553 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: But the last time I made injury like this was 554 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: in Cleveland, and it messed of his mechanics and he 555 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: started taking all these chances and like started throwing intercepts 556 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: and it ended up sorry, it ended up kind of 557 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: like basically leading him to get traded. Not saying it's 558 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: going to happen here, but like it made him a 559 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: different quarterback, and I fear that was going to be 560 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: the case, and he really has been different since the injury. 561 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: See if they could pull it together for one week, 562 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: I think if they do, they'll be as dangerous as anyone, 563 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: But it feels like a tall task right now, just 564 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: based on how they've been playing, you know. 565 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 6: I also wonder how much the desperation is compelling Baker 566 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 6: to take more chances right Like, he knows they're in 567 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 6: a tail spin. Obviously there's that pressure there. How much 568 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 6: is he then sort of forcing things We'll. 569 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 4: Say left shoulder. 570 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: And some people might say, oh, stop using injuries as 571 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: an accuse. 572 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 4: He is. 573 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: He is clearly being affected and he's not credit the hint. 574 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: He's not going to use injuries as an excuse here either. 575 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 4: If I in the. 576 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: Buccaneers don't get in here, I know, maybe this is 577 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: a conversation. 578 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 4: We can have after. But I feel like it's gonna 579 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: be quick on Monday. With a lot of these decisions. 580 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 4: It is he coaching for his job. 581 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: First of all, I don't think it'll be quick. The 582 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 3: Bucks take their time with everything. They have meetings and 583 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: and so I expect meetings almost no matter what. I 584 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: would be surprised. I don't have it definitively. No one 585 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: has told me for sure, for sure Todd Bowles is safe. 586 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: I think he should be. I mean, he's won two 587 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: division titles in a row. He's looking at a third. 588 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 3: He got a contract extension last year, as did general 589 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 3: manager Jason Light So it would surprise me. And the 590 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: Bucks owners haven't acted like this in sometime. They used to, 591 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: but it hasn't been like this in some time. They've 592 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: been more patient, they've been more understanding, they've been more diligent. 593 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: So I don't know for sure, but I would be surprised, 594 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: and like, you know, would hurt my faith in humanity 595 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: just a little bit. 596 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 6: Well, I am taught, definitely a Todd Bulls fan, I'd 597 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 6: be I'd be surprised. That's just not the way the 598 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 6: books have operated in recent years. And you can't discount 599 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 6: the fact that he did win the division all those 600 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 6: times right and managed the transition from Tom Brady, you know, 601 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 6: to continue winning right. They did not go down as 602 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 6: we all expected. 603 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: So and four offensive coordinators in four years and. 604 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: He get it right every time. Now this time it's 605 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 3: been a little more of a challenge. But okay, like 606 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: sorry that he's you know, hired coordinators doing it so 607 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: well that they leave for head coaching jobs. 608 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, whether Christian works in and out of the light 609 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: of Cody Mak was injured their young part as well. 610 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: Baker has been injured, Mike Evans was out for a while. 611 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: Chris Scott again, don't want to have to go injuries 612 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: as excuse because a lot of teams are able to 613 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: well prove them. 614 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 4: But injuries have been a big part of the Buccaneers 615 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five season. All Right, they'll do. 616 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: It for part one here, but you better come back 617 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: for part two. We've got plenty to get to there. 618 00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: We're talking about that. 619 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: It's raided game of talking pocas. I've got some thoughts 620 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: and I've got some steaks, and I know that these 621 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 4: two too. So that is part one. Find us on 622 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: part two of the Excited h