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Speaker 2: NFL scout his name is John middlcoff. Let's chop it

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Speaker 2: up for forty five minutes to an hour. We didn't

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Speaker 2: do our usual Sunday. He's got a new baby and

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Speaker 2: I have a life. You know, that's just the way

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Speaker 2: it works. It was so funny. I got in, you know,

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Speaker 2: I flew and I watched you know, Lakers Nicks, but

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Speaker 2: it was so weird, Like even doing today's show, I

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Speaker 2: was just like wow, it just felt totally like lifeless.

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Speaker 2: There was no energy. So I you know, I was

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Speaker 2: telling people about the GM for the Vikings got whacked.

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Speaker 2: And one of my topics today, John is that you

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Speaker 2: can make a lot of mistakes as a GM. Ryan

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Speaker 2: Grigson is rare where he got the quarterback right, struggled

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Speaker 2: with some other picks, and in the end got whacked.

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Speaker 2: Usually if you get the quarterback right, I mean Joe Douglas,

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Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Rookie of the Year, multiple good

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Speaker 2: him out of the building. Brandon Bean got a job promotion,

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Speaker 2: and you know he's hit on Dion Dawkins and Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: But I was reading reasons why this GM got fired.

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Speaker 2: in the family, and that his work life balance, like

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Speaker 2: he had a life, and my take was, well, that's good,

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Speaker 2: but it did it potentially create animosity. You know, people

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Speaker 2: sniping behind your back because you don't go to college

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Speaker 2: John to be a GM. These are gold bar jobs.

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Speaker 2: And when you get GM jobs and get fired, get

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Speaker 2: you get maybe one more chance to be a GM.

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Speaker 2: Maybe when you read the story about the firing, what

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Speaker 2: was your take on If I said two reasons why

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Speaker 1: I think the two things are pretty clear. Couldn't figure

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff, and he has a coach that, as

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Speaker 1: we found out last year, if it would have became

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Speaker 1: available for trade, teams were been lined up to trade

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Speaker 1: for Kevin O'Connell. There were reports as well Brian Flores

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Speaker 1: drafted extremely terrible. I mean the paternity thing that did

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Speaker 1: two things can be true. I think people look at

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Speaker 1: multiple kids. He's I'm sure no one says you can't

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Speaker 1: You know this is Kevin O'Connell, young coach kind of

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Speaker 1: still be there, which clearly they fell out of favor.

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Speaker 1: you're managing them as well as your owners, and then

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Speaker 1: He played basketball for great UCLA teams. He then managed

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Speaker 1: His life was not acquiring human capital as buying buildings.

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Speaker 1: It was buying business. It was widgets, it was just numbers.

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Speaker 1: Football's human capital. And clearly QUETSI struggled with acquiring human capital,

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Speaker 1: many major companies in America Pasco, Apple, you can. They're

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Speaker 1: very unique. It's just what's the what's the business worth

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I mean it was one of those

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Speaker 2: criticism I've really ever had with any boss I've ever had,

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Speaker 2: or do you think Kevin O'Connell loved McCarthy Because I

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Speaker 2: think Kevin O'Connell knows quarterbacks. JJ McCarthy was the only

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Speaker 2: If I can see that, then Kevin O'Connell can certainly

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Speaker 2: see that. So I guess my take is was part

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Speaker 1: Equally, I have a hard time that the GM got

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Speaker 1: You could also argue they were pretty desperate, right, I

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Speaker 1: Drake May, but a lot of people wanted to Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 1: He was never available, so it's like, yeah, man, you

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Speaker 1: like what's Kevin O'Connell's move this offseason, Like who trade

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Speaker 1: Because the forty Niners aren't just gonna give to you?

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Speaker 1: And it is he really solving your problems the way

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Speaker 1: that Kyle plays a lot different Kevin Ocle. I'm just

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Speaker 1: You saw justin Jefferson's quotes today. But yeah, probably would

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Speaker 1: Maybe Kevin O'Connell talked himself into it. I think that

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Speaker 2: It even started. Listen. I Jason McIntyre came on my

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Speaker 2: But I think there probably has been strained between the

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Speaker 1: Think you go back to that paternity thing once. I

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Speaker 1: that here's the other thing they have, and you might

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Speaker 1: have mentioned this. I was looking for the text message

429
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: they can dangle Max to Crosby and get a ton

430
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 1: and really start because the problem was is Pete Carroll.

431
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean he truly was trying to win the day.

432
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: At seventy five years old. He wasn't living for the

433
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: next ten years. You can get Kubiak and Spytech and going, hey, Tom,

434
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: let's look this from a macro big picture view and

435
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: think about twenty twenty eight, not necessarily week three, this

436
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: upcoming season, and that they have a very powerful asset

437
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: in Crosby because unlike Miles Garrett, there's not any question

438
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: about like showing up on time ultimate character guy. He's

439
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: been sober for years. I think they could get a

440
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: haul for him and truly just restart this organization moving forward.

441
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not in the business of trading guys like

442
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: Max Crosby. But in the Raiders, what are you gonna

443
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: do beat Denver and the Chargers in Kansas City next year?

444
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: Probably not, so I think you can take like a

445
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: three year view and yeah, I think hiring a young coach.

446
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the Kubiak thing. I think that

447
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense.

448
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: I was saying this, how so much of what we

449
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: do with quarterback is based on the trophies you hoist,

450
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 2: right like, I mean, that's really what separates Jordan from

451
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: Lebron is that the six for six. And I've always

452
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: argued if Michael Jordan and the Bulls were in the

453
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: Western Conference, then Jordan would have lost finals facing maybe

454
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: the Pistons or the Celtics. But every time he got through,

455
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: when he finally got through the East, they were the

456
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: best team and they faced a bunch of Utah teams

457
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: or Blazers or Sonics that were good teams but not

458
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: legendarily great. Is that? And you just forget that Jordan

459
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: really never won a playoffs series without Pippin. I mean,

460
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: we tend to worship and you know, titles. Even Jordan

461
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: is acknowledged, I'm not one of these things without Pippin.

462
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: I didn't win a lot of games that mattered without Pippin,

463
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: But nobody wants to hear that. And I'm trying to think,

464
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: when we think of great quarterbacks in the league in

465
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: anyone season, I'm trying to think if there's ever been

466
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: a quarterback that we viewed late twenties as a top

467
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: seven or eight quarterback in the league that was viewed

468
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: as a bust for four years. That we have this

469
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: arc that's happening in the NFL. Now, it used to

470
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: be Drew Brees was almost a historic outlier first quarterback

471
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: team that drafts him, doesn't work and still becomes great.

472
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: It used to be John people kind of bailed on

473
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: you if it didn't work. Initially, people moved off you.

474
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: Now we're seeing all I mean, even Geno Smith, who's

475
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: pretty good but not great. Geno Smith got a second chance.

476
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 2: Baker Darnald. If Baker, if Darnald wins a Super Bowl,

477
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: let's say convincingly thirty twenty one looks good, plays like

478
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: he did by and large like he did against the Rams,

479
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: which is a pretty damn clean game. Start a next season.

480
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: Where do we put him? What is he as a quarterback?

481
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's easily a top ten quarterback. And

482
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: one thing that he's proven that no one would have

483
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: believed a couple of years ago. When he's on, he's

484
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: damn good.

485
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

486
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: And to me, when you're on and you're damn good

487
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: is a strong quality to have. I mean, look at Caleb.

488
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: He's only on like in fourth quarters of games. If

489
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: you and the one thing, Sam, no one ever disputed

490
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: his physical capabilities, right, he's anyone that's met him, he

491
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: is big. I met him last year at the Super Bowl.

492
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: I went to the Hotel gym.

493
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: And his head's big.

494
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: He is a big dude, and he's got a big arm,

495
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: and he's got a big arm. So you're six'. Five.

496
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: What we talk a lot about this during the. Season it's, Like,

497
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Eh Bryce young can't see. Anything party has to scramble

498
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: sometime so we can. See Sam darnold could stand there

499
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: Like Tom Bradyer Peyton manning and see over his offensive

500
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: lineman and his arm throwing the ball down. Field not

501
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: a lack of arm, strength and he's never going to

502
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: be mister. Accurate but he was drafted third overall for a.

503
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: Reason he has some serious physical, attributes and you, know

504
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: it turns out he's probably more And i'm not comparing

505
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: him to farv but he's more gunslinger kind of far

506
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: V in than he Is Drew.

507
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: Brees you, KNOW i think there's a lot of my

508
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: comp out of.

509
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: Us he was.

510
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: A little lesser version Of Andrew. Luck there's absolutely Some

511
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: Andrew luck, toughness arm. Movement luck could probably memorize the

512
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: Phone book Of San. Antonio over a, weekends you're dealing

513
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: with a different guy at the. Whiteboard BUT i thought

514
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: there Was Andrew luck qualities.

515
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: And one thing that clearly flipped in That thursday night

516
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: game because he played like crap again against The rams

517
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: and that final driver. Too he has been a different

518
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: guy now down the, stretch not making. Mistake when was

519
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: the last time he turned the ball? Over HE i,

520
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: mean last game is a great. Examp you know WHAT

521
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: i talked about, It he's take, It, sacks just hit

522
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: the ground, man live to fight another. Day so he's

523
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: actually playing like the version That Holme grin And andy

524
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: tried to shake Into, farv which he kind of figured

525
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: out and never really. Shook. Sam just just do what

526
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: we tell you in this. Offense it's stealing candy from a,

527
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: baby and maybe a couple times throughout a tight, game

528
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna need you to make a big time, play

529
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: and he did against The. Rams might not need to

530
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: do that against The, Patriots BUT i mean there's a

531
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: chance That seattle can overwhelm, them and he just this

532
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: is not a shot just manage the. Game maybe throw

533
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: a touchdown or, two but we're not gonna need three

534
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards like we did against The. Ramps

535
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: just just game, manage let our, defense which is hard

536
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: for a young. CORE i think he's just think of

537
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: what he's see now and really That carolina situation backing

538
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: up with The, niners and then these last couple of.

539
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: S think of the experience the guy, has you, know

540
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: in a short period of time before he was thirty years.

541
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: Old you, know you brought UP i don't remember. THIS

542
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: i was a little, young and it's probably not apples to,

543
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: apples But Jim plunkett was drafted number one overall and

544
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: then resurrected his career With Al davis and The raiders

545
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: and Won Super. Bowls and you get draft number one,

546
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: overall you're a big time. Talent and sometimes you just

547
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: get with the right. Person the right person you, know

548
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: resonates with. You AND i think For sam When Kyle

549
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: shanahan calls that we want you, HERE i think that

550
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: changed the course of his life. Clearly and Then kevin

551
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: O'Connell BECAUSE i think that built up from. Confidence so

552
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: when he went Into, minnesota he had much more belief

553
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: being around The, niners but Specifically kyle and those Got

554
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: clint was, There kubiak and that was his. Springboard then

555
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: he had to put it. Together he. Did he's just

556
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: and then even it's, like, okay everyone's kind of anointing

557
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: him when he gets kicked in the you know what

558
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: in those last couple of, games kind of had to

559
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: shake it off a little bit. There the one Thing Alex,

560
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: smith who never had the talent Of wonkytor definitely. Darnold

561
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: his metal toughness was, elite, RIGHT i mean that guy

562
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: there's a reason That Andy reid And Jim harbaugh from

563
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: a from a metal toughness and thick. Skin by the

564
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: time you got, him after about six or seven, years

565
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: he had seen it.

566
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: All, Say i'm seen a.

567
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Lot you, know this is the first Time Patrick mahomes

568
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: saw like. That that fell was hard man like. This

569
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: this ain't. Easy this is what coaches just trying to

570
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: tell these. PLAYERS i, MEAN i was talking To veach

571
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: and some of their guys lest, year Like trent McDuffie

572
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: And karloftis had never not been in The Super bowl

573
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: in their first three. Years they think about Like garrett

574
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: will and runs into Like trent. McDuffie what do they

575
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: have in? Common from a football, Standpoint it's just sometimes

576
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: you just get lucky who drafts. You And Sam darnold

577
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: got the wrong end to that. Coin now he might

578
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: have been a raw product in a no matter where he,

579
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: went but you get drafted The. JETS i, mean, godspeed.

580
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: Buddy you, Know, John i've thought about. THIS i did

581
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: an essay on K Caleb williams a couple of weeks,

582
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: ago and one of the things that it used to

583
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: be quarterbacks that through interceptions outside of maybe far because

584
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: he was so, beloved it was seen it would detract from.

585
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: You AND i just wonder, This, John now that we

586
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: have more huddle free, football and that sometimes now you'll

587
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: have seventy seven snaps in a, game eighty seven snaps

588
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: in the. Game there were a lot of games in the, seventies, eighties,

589
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: nineties early two thousands your offense got fifty four. Snaps

590
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: but it was more of a run. League the clock stops.

591
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: More it's a passing. League there's fewer, huddles And john

592
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: AND i thought a lot about. It When stafford led

593
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: THE nfl and picks and won The Super bowl is

594
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: that the interception which used to be really putative and

595
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: it was like if you looked at quarterbacks who threw an,

596
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: interception you lost most of those. Games it has benefited

597
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: The andrew lux and to some degree To Baker mayfields

598
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: and The Matt. Staffords is that when you have fifteen

599
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: to eighteen percent more, snaps, right fewer, huddles when you

600
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: have to pass to win in this, game right Like

601
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: philadelphia is an, Outlier jalen throw, less we win? More

602
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: is That Dak prescott throws? Interceptions is that the current

603
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: style of football is draft To Caleb, williams get the,

604
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: horsepower worry about the completion percentage. Later that is not

605
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: the way football was fifteen years. Ago and THAT i

606
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: think it is playing into what you don't. Want Is Jared.

607
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Goff you, know in cold, weather or the offensive line

608
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: regresses or there's an, injury you're, like, oh we're in.

609
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Trouble is that with more, snaps more mistakes from the

610
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: quarterback are? OKAY i, mean Hell sam threw four picks

611
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: and almost beat The rams.

612
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Fifteen years.

613
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: Ago four interceptions mean you lost thirty five to. Ten

614
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: you were not. Competitive so WHEN i look AT i

615
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: think what's happened IS i am less critical of the

616
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: interception THAN i was ten years. AGO i don't think

617
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: it's the be all end. ALL i think defensive coaches hate.

618
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: It but my take IS i think it's Hurt Aaron

619
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: rodgers over the last seven eight. Years he plays it too.

620
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Safe he doesn't throw it downfield. Enough is that nuts?

621
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Well because he grew up on you don't throw it

622
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: over the middle if there's a safety over. There because

623
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: it's known as the hospital. Ball someone get. Killed that's

624
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: wired into his. Thinking he plays like he did in

625
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen when the rules were you could argue offense

626
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: in all of professional. Sports no one cares if he

627
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: strike out. ANYMORE i Heard Dustin baker do a radio.

628
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: Show he's, LIKE i went and watch guys hit batting.

629
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: Practice all the balls are hitting the top of the

630
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: bat THE vp net because they're all trying to hit

631
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: it out where we grew up drive the ball in batting,

632
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: practice and you watch them they all strike. Out no one.

633
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: Cares think about. Basketball Just i'm Watching, denver, okay see

634
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: everyone's just gunning.

635
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: Threes make her? Miss who?

636
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: Cares nobody cares if you. Missed back in the day

637
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: you miss a couple, threes you're not supposed to shoot.

638
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: Him you're coming to the. Bench that's like high school.

639
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Basketball let alone the pros call. It you, know think

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Speaker 1: So The lakers and That i'm sure you read that.

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Speaker 1: going to be. Gone it's very difficult to acquire players

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Speaker 1: actual functionality of then running The this isn't baseball where

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Speaker 1: you can just buy whoever you want like they're. Doing

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Speaker 1: it's a lot more. Challenging like the brand is more

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Speaker 1: to flip that thing into some. Powerhouse, again If seattle

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Speaker 1: assume they win The Super, bowl think about some of

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Speaker 1: the recent sales in THE. Nfl, COMMANDERS i, mean was

731
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Speaker 1: the joke of the league for twenty, years The browns

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Speaker 1: When jimmy has. Them typically with these, franchise The, panthers

733
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Speaker 1: even count the. Players A hall Of fame general manager

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Speaker 1: and a coach that looks like he's got the chance

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Speaker 1: to be like the Next belichick on. Defense, yes, yes

738
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Speaker 1: off a Super bowl championship and with the league sprinting,

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Speaker 1: MONEY i, mean how does it get any better than?

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Speaker 2: That and like WHEN i saw the price for The,

741
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Speaker 2: seahawks like six, Billion i'm, like that is a that

742
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Speaker 2: is a. Discount so you have arguably the most loyal

743
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Speaker 2: fan base in the league that looks forward to sitting

744
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Speaker 2: in driving rainstorms like seize it as a team. Advantage

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00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: you have A gm with at least ten more, years

746
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Speaker 2: a coach with maybe. Fifteen with gambling, exploding those numbers

747
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Speaker 2: only go. Up you have the strongest corporate relationship you

748
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Speaker 2: it's a bidding. War you can stay with your terrestrial

749
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Speaker 2: partners or, move WHICH i think they. Will they'll stay

750
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: With fox AND. Cbs you still need. THAT i mean

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00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: a lot of, people like you know a lot of

752
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: people over, sixty they don't want to own SIX a

753
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: lot of these boomers they, retire they don't want six.

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Speaker 2: Stations put them on Maybe netflix Or, amazon they're not

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00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: they're not. Buying you, know multiple huluse to watch. Games

756
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Speaker 2: Is i've said this. Forever if you had oil money

757
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758
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Speaker 2: Jc penny. Died you HAVE i mean the top twenty

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Speaker 2: one still. Exists, microsoft nobody's trading The. Yankees The yankees will,

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Speaker 2: exist The niners will, exist The bears will. Exist IF

765
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Speaker 2: i was a, billionaire no sports league outside of The

766
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Speaker 2: English Premier league has more leverage over television and streaming

767
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: services than The National Football. League last year every team

768
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: got a four hundred and fifty million dollar paycheck from THE.

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Speaker 2: Tv that's going. Up that will be so just think about.

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Speaker 2: That if if you bought it it was worth eight,

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Speaker 2: billion and you, Said, Okay i'm gonna own fifty five

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Speaker 2: percent of. It i'll be majority. Owner i'll sell the

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Speaker 2: other forty five. Percent i'll have. Partners BUT i get

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Speaker 2: a run. IT i GET i have the. Power you're

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Speaker 2: GETTING i, mean you could live off sixty sixty million

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Speaker 2: a year and the rest of it you're just paying down.

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00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: DEBT i and, also the stadium In seattle is fairly.

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Speaker 2: New you don't have to build a new. Stadium WHEN

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Speaker 2: i see those, Numbers i'm like seven, billion that's.

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Speaker 1: It that feels like a. Discount and you inherit the

781
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: two hardest guys to you, know acquire in the, BUSINESS

782
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Speaker 1: a coach in A gm there are there are in

783
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Speaker 1: a contract going. Nowhere, Again i'm NOT i do not

784
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: like The, lakers BUT i have to acknowledge the power

785
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Speaker 1: of their brand and the. Organization but if you told

786
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Speaker 1: me just what would be easier the next five ten

787
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Speaker 1: years financially local television in major, shambles isn't that going

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Speaker 1: to impact The? Lakers my point Is, seattle which no

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Speaker 1: one was said twenty years. Ago you could make it

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Speaker 1: argue it's a way better, buy even if it's the

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Speaker 1: same price than The Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Lakers COULD i, go, yeah, yeah The lakers have one

793
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Speaker 2: of the last great LOCAL tv.

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Speaker 1: Deal but isn't that. Dying aren't they in? Shambles isn't

795
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Speaker 1: that Why genie's getting out well and the other thing

796
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Speaker 1: is with the LOCAL tv in THE, nfl it's all,

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Speaker 1: National it's.

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00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: All national and, so AND i, mean what do you

799
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Speaker 2: think is gonna survive a local cable station that pays

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Speaker 2: The lakers Or netflix And. Fox SO i think THE

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Speaker 2: nba has got several. Problems they have guaranteed money over

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Speaker 2: the next ten. Years so that's why The, LAKERS i,

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Speaker 2: mean The walters, group what they really liked is once

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Speaker 2: the contract was signed WITH, Nbc amazon AND, espn the

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Speaker 2: money was, guaranteed so you become less behold into your

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Speaker 2: LOCAL tv. Deal but it's really hard with the new

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Speaker 2: aprons to make AN nba.

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Speaker 1: Trade my, point it's very difficult to operate THESE nba

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Speaker 1: Franchise it's it's never been more like the one of

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Speaker 1: these free agentcies don't hit the market anymore because the

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Speaker 1: team that has the player can offer him so much.

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00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: More and, then like you, said the the execution of

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00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: Easy they've been trades my entire, life but these kind

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Speaker 1: difficulty of now turning that into what he's got with

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Speaker 1: The dodgers is going to be much more of an

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Speaker 1: uphill battle than to ever. Have there's a chance that

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00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: they might be good With, luca but never some Like

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Speaker 1: kobe Shack power Where seattle financially, won it's. Foolproof and

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00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: then two from an all on the field, standpoint you

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Speaker 1: just THE gm has a fifteen year track record in

824
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Speaker 1: this coach pretty clearly he's a. Star so you're getting

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00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: these like When Josh harris bought The, commanders they had.

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Speaker 1: Nothing you had to blow the whole thing. Up that's it's.

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Speaker 1: HARD i, Mean Eddie debarto will be the first. TIME

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Speaker 1: i Like bill waltsh BUT i didn't know it was

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Speaker 1: got those two, Guys so it's, Like i'm with. You

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00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: WHEN i saw the six billion, VALUATION i Get seattle's

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Speaker 1: told me bezos who whatever buys it for ten billion,

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Speaker 1: would pull the trigger. THERE i think IT'S i think

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Speaker 1: that thing is gonna sell if it's true and actually goes.

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00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: DOWN i think THE nfl and the families pushed back

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Speaker 1: story comes out of. Nowhere is that? Fair so it's

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Speaker 1: LIKE i just think that that that franchise is pretty.

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00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: Unique these franchises typically become available or just like are.

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Speaker 1: Trash they got nothing beside the, money but they're not well.

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Speaker 1: Run they need to need it all.

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Speaker 2: Up and the other thing to, remember the game day

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