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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I just give one out an hour. Bro See already,

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Speaker 1: Brooke and I are butting heads on this because it's

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Speaker 1: You can never break up. No, And one of our

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Speaker 1: It's a guy named Nick and the last time he

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Speaker 1: a second date with a lady Cop. Oh this was yesterday, Brook.

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Speaker 1: No, it was a few months ago, but you might

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Speaker 1: according to our producer, Nick jumped quickly back into another

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Speaker 4: Oh I thought we were doing this second date.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well Nick first, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brooke did not want to, but that's okay. We

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Speaker 1: So tell us about this girl Brenda that you were dating,

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Speaker 2: So as you as you mentioned, like, after I, you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, good.

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Speaker 2: For about two months we've been going strong. It was

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Speaker 6: On the second day.

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Why, well, you didn't push it? What's going on you?

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Speaker 4: I can't tell if you're excited or you're mad right.

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Speaker 2: Now, Well, I'm excited because all of this is really great.

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Speaker 4: No, I think that is so rude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, like we've been seeing each other for two months.

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Speaker 2: You don't text someone I can't see you. You know

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Speaker 6: You give me a QR code.

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Speaker 1: We can't see each other. So the way you're saying,

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Speaker 4: Did Lady Cop contact her and give her your rap sheet?

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Speaker 2: So we have a very similar sense of humor. I

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Speaker 3: This is usually something where we go deep into people's history.

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Speaker 4: Okay, does she know?

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Speaker 1: She does not know. We're gonna blindside her, just like

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Speaker 1: It could be eight minutes of NonStop calls and hanging

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no explanation, no lead up to it, not even

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Speaker 4: I can figure it out. I guess I did nothing.

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Speaker 2: Nick, No, I'd bring me on. I'm just really curious

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Speaker 1: Right now, let's see what happens. I'm just going to

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Speaker 4: Oh, good morning, Hi Brenda.

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Speaker 5: Good morning. What can I do for you?

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Speaker 1: Of women say that about the man they should understand.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that there was alleged lying in your relationship,

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Speaker 1: We don't know what that means. Would you be able

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Speaker 4: Oh there's evidence.

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Speaker 5: It's so clearly him, Like these are new, updated photos.

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Speaker 1: Your arm is like around his shoulder and he like

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Speaker 5: I'm not in the photo, but it's the restaurant that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh wow, that must feel really bad.

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of deep AI fakes, Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Some people like to borrow other people's photos to use

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Speaker 4: You're all over the dating news.

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Speaker 1: And it's not me. It's just a way that people

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Speaker 3: Because we've never had one listener say they came across

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Speaker 1: Because our listeners are smart, Brooks, they know it's a fakeer.

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Speaker 1: So let's look, there could be a misunderstanding here, and

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Speaker 5: But he can't be on the line right now.

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Speaker 1: He is, I think he's still there something else.

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Speaker 4: Bus he's swiping through his other profile.

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Speaker 1: Nick, are you there?

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Speaker 2: I am here, and I'm glad that you brought this

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Speaker 2: up because you're not wrong. Wait, what I wish that

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Speaker 4: Like a totally reasonable explanation.

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Speaker 2: What I heard from my friends is that that you

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Speaker 5: Oh no no, no, no, no, no, no, no guys, sorry, no, no.

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Speaker 4: That didn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're saying is that you heard a rumor

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Speaker 5: And why did you deny it when I asked you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Screenshots?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it just feels so classic cheater caught right,

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Speaker 3: Like as soon as you catch it, chee, They're like.

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Speaker 4: No, you were cheating Dad.

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Speaker 2: Look, this is just what my friend said. So I'm

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Speaker 5: I swear to you. I have not been on hinge

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Speaker 5: because it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: No, unless Brooke used your photo in order to catfish

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Speaker 1: Because that has happened, We've learned.

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Speaker 4: Brenda, you do sound hot like I sound like I

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Speaker 2: Okay, in the end, it really doesn't matter, because Brenda,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a big thing to do. Even though

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Speaker 1: he's willing to overlook that and try it again in

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Speaker 1: your relationships, big man, Brenda.

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Speaker 5: Is absolutely this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: It is such classic. I feel like you full uncheated now.

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Speaker 4: The way that he's handling this.

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Speaker 2: Brook. You're supposed to be on my side here, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're spoke to down my back here. I'm a friend

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, with sketchy behavior. Man, the last time you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you were married, now broke out.

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Speaker 1: Divorce might still be active, so it's probably it's safe

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 5: I knew. I knew that this was too good to

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Speaker 5: be true. We were boyfriend and girlfriend. Listen.

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Speaker 2: The bottom line is we both made mistakes, were and

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Speaker 1: He's putting it all out on the table for you there, Brenda.

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Speaker 1: He's admitting that he's flawed. You're a little flaws, but

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Speaker 4: That was one romantic speech. It was I was on hinge.

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Speaker 4: You were on hinge.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly. So let's see, Brenda, are you willing to look

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Get a gas lighter too.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just we've all made mistakes. You're doing I've

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Speaker 4: You're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, let's all look past all the mistakes we've

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I really hope that Nick out the closure he needed,

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Speaker 4: Nick.

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Speaker 3: It didn't like cross your mind at any point when

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Speaker 2: Look straight up, I'm on a lot of different dating apps,

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Speaker 2: So oh dude, I don't know which one she found.

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Speaker 4: It could have been any Like he did a closure

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's your first in person closure call.

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Speaker 4: I'm really happy for Brenda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she got the closure that he wanted to get

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Speaker 1: out of the woking Jeffrey in the morning. We've never

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Speaker 4: I don't think we should do it again.

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Speaker 1: Well no, I feel like that's not what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we need to give Nick a one

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Speaker 4: I see, I thought you met. We should never have

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Speaker 4: a live closure call again. No, that was a hot trade.

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Speaker 1: It was messy, but we got to the point of it. Clearly.

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Speaker 1: Nick is not in a great place right now.

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Speaker 4: Nick has a hard time being honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just doesn't sound like he's ready for a relationship,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if we're ready for him because

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Speaker 1: he's divorcing people, he's lying to other people, he's opening

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Speaker 3: Can do a radio station to act innocent like maybe

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Speaker 1: Maybe he could be calling us once a week if

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Speaker 1: we don't put the kebash on it. So Nick, I'm sorry, buddy,

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Speaker 1: we love you, but you're suspended from the show for

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Speaker 4: Only Jeff that loves you right now. I'm We're in

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Speaker 4: a hard spot right now.

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Speaker 1: Was a hard spot too. He's got some stuff to

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Speaker 1: work out. But once you work it all out, maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about having you back.

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Speaker 4: But stable, he won't need us, Yeah, and then we.

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Speaker 1: Won't want him. But don't forget. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: us on podcasts right now, make sure to hit that

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Speaker 4: Yeah,