Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.
Speaker 3: And this is Joe McCormick.
Speaker 2: For today's episode, I wanted to take our first steps
Speaker 2: on Weird House Cinema into the world of Indonesian cinema
Speaker 2: as I just recently returned from Indonesia. I'll share more
Speaker 2: about that trip on subsequent episodes of Stuff to Blow
Speaker 2: Your Mind, because I did get to experience some things
Speaker 2: to tie into our core science episodes. But now having
Speaker 2: enjoyed the natural beauty and hospitality of the Indonesian isles,
Speaker 2: I also knew it was time to watch some of
Speaker 2: its weirdest movies.
Speaker 3: You picked a real winner for us today, Rob, and
Speaker 3: I'm not going to spoil it before you finish your
Speaker 3: introduction to the film. But it's hard to imagine the
Speaker 3: cinema of any country could get much weirder than the
Speaker 3: movie we're talking about today.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think there's a strong case to
Speaker 2: be made for weirder examples of Indonesian cinema, but this one,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It lines up in several unique ways.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll go ahead and mention it here for
Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't looked at the title of the episode
Speaker 2: we were talking about the nineteen eighty eight Indonesian folk car, Mockbuster,
Speaker 2: Lady Terminator. Yes, it is all of those things.
Speaker 3: It's like if you wanted James Cameron's Terminator but you
Speaker 3: thought it didn't have enough ancient deep sea sex goddesses
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 2: Exactly, yes, And you might also think to yourself, Terminator
Speaker 2: is good, but are there enough machine guns? Could there
Speaker 2: be more machine guns? And you know, I dare say,
Speaker 2: without actually going back and rewatching James Cameron's Terminator, I
Speaker 2: think this film has more machine guns.
Speaker 3: I think that's without a doubt. And in fact, you
Speaker 3: could you could sense moments in this movie. There's almost
Speaker 3: like an anxiety you can feel going scene to scene
Speaker 3: where it's like you since the filmmaker's wondering if they've
Speaker 3: put enough gunfire into the scene yet, and so like
Speaker 3: something will happen, characters will be talking, and then more
Speaker 3: people will run into frame and start shooting guns again.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, there's a point about between halfway and
Speaker 2: two thirds into the film where it's just gonna be
Speaker 2: machine guns for the duration and it never gets boring.
Speaker 3: Like to their credit, I've said this on the show before.
Speaker 3: I can get quite bored with a movie that's just
Speaker 3: shots of people shooting guns at each other like that
Speaker 3: can get really tedious. This maintains a hilarious level of
Speaker 3: novelty throughout all of the Act two and Act three
Speaker 3: gun fights. It stays weird and it stays funny, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it did not get boring for me at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we tend to talk about exploitation films and b
Speaker 2: films that are cut above the rest, so it is
Speaker 2: worth stressing that exploitation cinema is exactly where you tend
Speaker 2: to find excess taken to the level of boredom, like
Speaker 2: films that have a lot of nudity, for example, But
Speaker 2: it's just meaningless and boring after a while. And the
Speaker 2: same with violence, the same with gore, the same with
Speaker 2: profanity or whatever flavor you happen to be over indulging in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very easy as a filmmaker to make them
Speaker 3: to have the mistaken belief that like, violence is exciting,
Speaker 3: and it's not true. Drama is exciting and violence can
Speaker 3: be a form of drama. But but yeah, so a
Speaker 3: lot of movies kind of go down that the wrong
Speaker 3: path of just like lots of close ups of and
Speaker 3: it just goes on, never really feels like it's building
Speaker 3: to anything. This movie's action sequences are so bonker they
Speaker 3: are bananas, and the dialogue during the action scenes especially
Speaker 3: is some of the funniest stuff I can think of,
Speaker 3: and I've seen in a B movie in a long time.
Speaker 2: Some aspects of the story might be confusing at times,
Speaker 2: character motivations and so forth, but there were multiple points
Speaker 2: during my rewatch where I really had to stop and
Speaker 2: remind myself that, you know, this action scene is totally
Speaker 2: sticking together. Though like I'm I'm totally invested in the
Speaker 2: physical action that's happening on screen, they are totally delivering
Speaker 2: when it comes to the action, all right. At this point,
Speaker 2: I do want to take just one step back and
Speaker 2: just briefly talk about Indonesian cinema with more of an
Speaker 2: emphasis on some of the exploitation cinema that perhaps more
Speaker 2: weird house cinema listeners are familiar with. But of course,
Speaker 2: the Republic of Indonesia covers some seventeen thousand islands in
Speaker 2: Southeast Asia and Oceania, entailing multiple ethnic groups and the
Speaker 2: fourth largest population of any country on Earth.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of.
Speaker 2: People there, and as discussed in a documentary on Indonesian
Speaker 2: exploitation cinema on the Mondo Macabro disc that I watched
Speaker 2: the film on, they point out that, of course everyone
Speaker 2: in Indonesia loves movies, as it can be said for
Speaker 2: pretty much every country on Earth. Like movies are fun,
Speaker 2: people get into them, and so distinctly Indonesian cinema I
Speaker 2: was reading elsewhere dates back to the nineteen twenties, with
Speaker 2: various domestic productions of note, but then heading into the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, the market is dominated by foreign imports, films
Speaker 2: from the West, from India, from East Asia, and so
Speaker 2: during the nineteen seventies the Indonesian government decreed that in
Speaker 2: order to import films, you also had to fund domestic productions,
Speaker 2: and by nineteen seventy seven, according to that Mando Macabro documentary,
Speaker 2: you had to make one Indonesian film in order to
Speaker 2: import five international pictures.
Speaker 3: Wow. I was not prepared for there to be a
Speaker 3: policy backstory to us talking about Lady Terminator.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there are a lot of factors
Speaker 2: that go into a movie like this coming together and
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of passion. I mean, there are so
Speaker 2: many examples of films that have been made because of
Speaker 2: some element of how they came together is because of
Speaker 2: tax breaks or some economic production factor, some sort of
Speaker 2: slush fund or what have you. But yeah, so this
Speaker 2: is just one wrinkle to where we end up entering
Speaker 2: into what many people describe as a Golden Age of
Speaker 2: Indonesian genre film. A lot of these pictures were, you know,
Speaker 2: just definitely aimed at the working class and then you know,
Speaker 2: and then a young folk. They often included plots that
Speaker 2: entailed mystical adventure, action, horror, maybe a little bit of sexuality,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it was often colored by traditional folklore,
Speaker 2: Indonesian history, Dutch colonialism, and of course international film influences
Speaker 2: that range from American blockbusters and Hong Kong action films
Speaker 2: to Bollywood musicals. And so the nineteen seventies and nineteen
Speaker 2: eighties end up providing this rich hall of genre films,
Speaker 2: and many of these would go on to be distributed internationally,
Speaker 2: developed cult followings internationally, including pictures that a number of
Speaker 2: you've probably are probably familiar with nineteen eighty six is
Speaker 2: The Hungry Snake Woman starring Susanna who's like often described
Speaker 2: as the as the scream Queen of Indonesia. Nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: one's The Warrior starring Barry Prima, who's kind of often
Speaker 2: talked about. I don't know who you'd direct compare him to,
Speaker 2: but he was like the big the big male action
Speaker 2: star of this time period. And then another major selection
Speaker 2: from this era is nineteen eighty eight's Lady Terminator. Now,
Speaker 2: as we've been talking about here, Lady Terminator isn't just
Speaker 2: a mockbuster ripoff of nineteen eighty four. It's the Terminator.
Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely is that.
Speaker 3: It very much is that. I mean in like recreating
Speaker 3: scenes and moments from Terminator, like line for line or
Speaker 3: shot for shot, sometimes right right.
Speaker 2: So it is definitely a Terminator mockbuster. But on the
Speaker 2: other hand, it is again a a a horror movie
Speaker 2: based on to some degree on Indonesian folklore, specifically tales
Speaker 2: concerning the South Sea Queen. And I believe my apologies
Speaker 2: if I'm mispronouncing this, but Naia e row row Key
Speaker 2: Duel is I believe the Indonesian name for this specific entity.
Speaker 2: And I was reading some other material about the South
Speaker 2: Sea Queen one a Princess from Sunda published in Asian
Speaker 2: Folklore Studies back in nineteen ninety seven by Robert Wessing,
Speaker 2: and this author describes this entity as an exiled West
Speaker 2: Javanese princess who then goes on to become the spirit
Speaker 2: queen of the Indian Ocean. And as you might expect
Speaker 2: with any kind of folklore tradition, she takes on different
Speaker 2: roles and different tales and traditions. But in this film
Speaker 2: we see are sort of boiled down to the form
Speaker 2: of a vengeful sexual oceanic entity, almost perhaps a demon,
Speaker 2: perhaps a divine force. I mean, the lines between these
Speaker 2: distinctions are often grayed out.
Speaker 3: Kind of a super powerful saltwater succubus, like a sex
Speaker 3: goddess witch who prays on men and commands all the
Speaker 3: powers of the eel.
Speaker 2: Yes of the eel of the snake. Wessing does compare
Speaker 2: her to various other traditions in this region and neighboring
Speaker 2: regions concerning things sort of like mermaid aids and certainly
Speaker 2: serpent women and the like. And I should also add
Speaker 2: that in various other Indonesian films from this time period,
Speaker 2: other you obviously you have hungry snake queens, you have
Speaker 2: crocodile queens. So this does feel like it's perhaps a
Speaker 2: familiar trope in Indonesian folklore and certainly in exploitation cinema,
Speaker 2: based some degree on those folk tales. All right, well,
Speaker 2: elevator pitch for this one. All I have to say
Speaker 2: is the south Sea Queen cannot be reasoned with. She
Speaker 2: doesn't feel pity or remorse or feared, and she absolutely
Speaker 2: will not stop ever until you're dead.
Speaker 3: Or until her machine gun jams. And then she has
Speaker 3: to make a poudy face?
Speaker 2: Does she do that? Does she make a powdy face?
Speaker 3: To be fair, that's not actually the south Sea Queen.
Speaker 3: That is the embodiment of the south Sea queens magic,
Speaker 3: or I don't know, you tell me. Is the south
Speaker 3: Sea Queen herself inside the body of the Anthropologist that
Speaker 3: is possessed and becomes Lady Terminator? Or is that just
Speaker 3: sort of her magic is a curse place? Do you
Speaker 3: know what I'm asking? Yeah, the south Sea Queen physically
Speaker 3: there in the body of what's her name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like she is being puppeted to
Speaker 2: some degree. Yeah, the character of what Tanya. I believe
Speaker 2: that is her name, Tanya.
Speaker 3: The Anthropologist, the anthropomon is the Lady Terminator.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think this is a fair point. I
Speaker 2: feel like maybe the South Sea Queen is not directly
Speaker 2: inside there, but is like at a distance, the puppet
Speaker 2: master of this vengeful avatar.
Speaker 3: The other thing is, does the South Sea Queen actually
Speaker 3: turn her into a robot like the T eight hundred Interminator.
Speaker 3: There are reasons for thinking that. For one thing, she
Speaker 3: shoots lasers out of her eyes and seems to have
Speaker 3: some kind of technological powers, like she gets at one point,
Speaker 3: she kind of gets her her skin melted and seems
Speaker 3: to have some kind of exoskeleton thing going on underneath there,
Speaker 3: like in Terminator. But also there's no otherwise, there's no
Speaker 3: technological tie in with the South Sea Queen. It would
Speaker 3: seem to be just a magically possessed being. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I get the impression that via magical possession, her body
Speaker 2: has taken on various supernatural aspects that make it immune
Speaker 2: to bullets, not completely immune to massive explosions as we'll see,
Speaker 2: but somewhat immune. And then also at some point I
Speaker 2: beams come into the phraser.
Speaker 3: Eyes Okay, yeah, those are magic laser eyes, not high
Speaker 3: tech laser eyes.
Speaker 2: Right, that's magical energy. That's like, I don't know, radiant
Speaker 2: damage or something. All right, let's go ahead and listen
Speaker 2: and just just a little bit of the trailer here,
Speaker 2: not the whole thing, but just a little bit to
Speaker 2: give folks a taste.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the past should be left to memory, to gather
Speaker 4: dust within the covers of recorded time.
Speaker 5: In one hundred years, I'll have my revenge on your
Speaker 5: great granddaughter.
Speaker 4: One of the funds the secret of the South Sea
Speaker 4: Queen will live in great danger of a song.
Speaker 3: Oh yes I will. But how is she to know?
Speaker 4: Meet Tadya, an American anthropologist who travels to Indonesia.
Speaker 3: In search of truth.
Speaker 4: What she finds is that the legend of the South
Speaker 4: Sea Queen is more than a story. It is her fate,
Speaker 4: a tale of possession, revenge, insatiable desire, and an evil
Speaker 4: that will not die.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Erica. That woman cannot die.
Speaker 2: All right now, If you want to watch Lady Termine,
Speaker 2: you can catch a stream here there. But the best
Speaker 2: way to see this one, as of this writing, is
Speaker 2: on the DVD from Mondo Micabro. We've talked about Mondo
Speaker 2: Micabro releases before they put out a lot of great films.
Speaker 2: I rented it here from Atlanta's own video Drum, which
Speaker 2: has a nice little selection of Indonesian horror films.
Speaker 3: I've got that disc. There is also a stream on
Speaker 3: archive dot Org. I was checking out part of But
Speaker 3: it's nice to have the packaging because then you get
Speaker 3: to see the extremely classy tagline for the film, which
Speaker 3: is first she mates, then she terminates.
Speaker 2: It rhymes, So I can't really argue with it, though
Speaker 2: one does wonder how much mating she's actually doing in
Speaker 2: this picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess somewhat less than expected. That's sort of
Speaker 3: front loaded in the first half of the movie, but
Speaker 3: there's plenty of terminating, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's generally happy to skip the first part and
Speaker 2: just get to the extermination.
Speaker 3: Mostly she terminates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, let's jump into the behind this film,
Speaker 2: though I do have to stress that this is one
Speaker 2: of those cases where there's not a lot of information
Speaker 2: about everyone involved, and in some cases maybe I just
Speaker 2: wasn't privy to that information or wasn't able to find it.
Speaker 2: But let's start at the top with the director credited
Speaker 2: as Jaliel Jackson. It is h Chehut Jaliel, who lived
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty two through I Believe twenty fourteen. His death
Speaker 2: date isn't listed on IMDb, but I've seen his death
Speaker 2: date listed elsewhere. Indonesian director Active from I Believe nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy four through nineteen ninety four. Director of numerous cult
Speaker 2: favorite films, including nineteen eighty one's Mystics in Bali, a
Speaker 2: horror movie full of Indonesian folkloric elements, including the penanglan
Speaker 2: floating heads with entrails, which if you haven't some of
Speaker 2: you may be familiar with it from seeing Mystics in Bali,
Speaker 2: but they're often given us fair amount of attention in
Speaker 2: various monster books and folklore treatments and so forth.
Speaker 3: Oh, I just had to google it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I've seen screenshots from this before where it's like it
Speaker 3: looks like a doll's head floating and then just some
Speaker 3: stuff dangling out of the neck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the big ones that I
Speaker 2: haven't seen it yet. This is this is my first
Speaker 2: foray into in Indonesian horror, so I'll have to get
Speaker 2: to that one. His other films include nineteen eighty one's
Speaker 2: The Warrior in the Ninja starring Barry Prima, eighty six
Speaker 2: is Satan's Bed, nineteen eighty eight White Crocodile Queens starring Susannah,
Speaker 2: and nineteen ninety two's Dangerous Seductress. This was apparently his
Speaker 2: biggest budgeted film up to that point, and I've read
Speaker 2: that it did great business domestically before it was banned subsequently,
Speaker 2: and I think there are different stories too about like
Speaker 2: how did it get banned and somebody like essentially stab
Speaker 2: it in the back? Was it importers of Western films
Speaker 2: that were upset that this film was outperforming various international
Speaker 2: pictures in Indonesia at the time. I'm not sure where
Speaker 2: the truth lies in any of that, but of course
Speaker 2: it would go on to earn its cult status internationally
Speaker 2: as an import, and I mean it's been screened ultimately internationally.
Speaker 2: So that's another point about watching this film. It's very
Speaker 2: possible you might catch a rare screening of it on
Speaker 2: the big screen.
Speaker 3: Here there. I'm trying to imagine what so like American
Speaker 3: distributors are, like, nobody's going to the theaters to see Cocktail.
Speaker 3: They're just buying more more tickets to see the Lady
Speaker 3: Terminator again. We've got to do something about this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but what else came out in the
Speaker 3: eighty eight Three Men and a Baby.
Speaker 2: It looks like, yeah, this is yeah, this is nothing
Speaker 2: on the same level as Lady Terminator, all right. The
Speaker 2: credited writer here is one car Kruleinos. This is his
Speaker 2: only credit on any of the movie databases that I
Speaker 2: was able to look the film up on. He also
Speaker 2: has a camera credit on this picture. I don't so
Speaker 2: this is one of those where I have to flag
Speaker 2: is this a real person?
Speaker 3: Is this is?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. Evidently someone did write it. There
Speaker 2: was a script.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And while we should mention I guess that if
Speaker 3: we haven't already said this. The dialogue in the film
Speaker 3: is dubbed. In all of it is dubbed, but it
Speaker 3: does usually match what the character's mouths are saying when
Speaker 3: they're moving, so it's not live sound. But it does
Speaker 3: appear that the dialogue is mostly as written and performed
Speaker 3: by the actors in the scene, though there are some
Speaker 3: very funny moments of what feel like lines subbed in later,
Speaker 3: like especially lines directly from Terminator. They just kind of
Speaker 3: get come in from somebody speaking off screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's one part we'll probably go back to
Speaker 2: where you get the feeling where they that they were like,
Speaker 2: oh we didn't we forgot to put in come with
Speaker 2: me if you want to live, and so they just
Speaker 2: kind of throw it in after an explosion, Come.
Speaker 3: With me, if you want to live. Yeah, it happens past.
Speaker 3: I don't do we see the guy's mouth. I don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the cast here. Oh, the star.
Speaker 2: The title character, Lady Terminator, or before she becomes Lady
Speaker 2: Terminator Tanya, is played by Barbara Ann Constable.
Speaker 3: This is a classic case of don't you hate when
Speaker 3: you go scuba diving in order to complete research for
Speaker 3: your anthropology PhD and you get turned into a terminator?
Speaker 2: Yeah, go scuba diving by yourself. My wife was quick
Speaker 2: to point out, Oh, she has no buddy. This is
Speaker 2: you always go scuba diving with a buddy, even if
Speaker 2: you're checking out mysterious ruins on these on the seafloor.
Speaker 3: So who's Barbara Ann Constable here? All right?
Speaker 2: She well, she's one of a kind. Australian dancer, turn model,
Speaker 2: turn actress. This is her only credited film role on
Speaker 2: any of the databases as far as I could tell,
Speaker 2: though I've seen a couple of interviews with her print
Speaker 2: interviews where she says that prior to this she shot
Speaker 2: some sort of Chinese film in Shanghai. I think she
Speaker 2: said it had ballet in it, but she didn't know
Speaker 2: what the name of it was, and I don't know
Speaker 2: that anyone has ever been able to track it down.
Speaker 2: So there may be another film out there in which
Speaker 2: she appears to some degree, But for the most part,
Speaker 2: it's one and done, like this is her picture, and
Speaker 2: I mean credit where credits do. I think she does
Speaker 2: a great job here, at least once she's the Terminator.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's less believable as a human lady, but
Speaker 2: once she is Lady Terminator, I absolutely buy into it.
Speaker 3: She was watching Terminator and taking notes like she's got
Speaker 3: the physicality down. She does the kind of like three
Speaker 3: point turn with her body really good when she's going
Speaker 3: around corners and the police station. The scenes are so
Speaker 3: many scenes of her running around chasing the Erica or heroine,
Speaker 3: and just like kicking down doors in the police station.
Speaker 3: The kicking motion it really sticks with me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I think she's tremendous here. I totally
Speaker 2: buy into everything she's doing on the screen. So, based
Speaker 2: on a couple of interviews, I was able to run
Speaker 2: down her casting came out of some international modeling work
Speaker 2: that she was doing while traveling around Asia, and she
Speaker 2: agreed to this picture assuming that it would be a
Speaker 2: purely domestic film and not something that would ultimately screen
Speaker 2: anywhere else in the world. But yeah, as far as
Speaker 2: amazing one and done B movie performances, I think she
Speaker 2: might top the list. I can't think of anybody else
Speaker 2: like this who just comes out of nowhere and then
Speaker 2: also and then subsequently vanishes that excels to this degree.
Speaker 2: Like the closest I could think of is Warhawk Tanzania
Speaker 2: in Devil's Express But even he had like one other
Speaker 2: part in a film I think prior to that.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, but I agree. I mean, if you see
Speaker 3: Lady Terminator, you are not going to forget Barbara Ann
Speaker 3: Constable's perfore she's going to be in your brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean she has all the screen time
Speaker 2: in the world here, and you just have to imagine
Speaker 2: an alternate universe where she followed this up either with
Speaker 2: other Indonesian films or perhaps internationally, like maybe ended up
Speaker 2: doing some films in Australia.
Speaker 3: Or Lady Terminator too term Harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm down for that or some other
Speaker 2: film where she essentially plays the Lady Terminator. It just
Speaker 2: seems like, especially for someone who didn't have a martial
Speaker 2: arts background, she's so good in the action here. She's
Speaker 2: totally believable, Like apparently she had weapons training prior to filming,
Speaker 2: which shows because she's firing a machine gun all the
Speaker 2: time in this picture, and at least to my untrained eyes,
Speaker 2: like it's believable, and she's doing it with her eyes
Speaker 2: wide open, which I understand takes a little bit of
Speaker 2: effort to get that trick down as well. All right,
Speaker 2: let's move into the rest of the cast. I get
Speaker 2: we'll have more to say about this terrific performance as
Speaker 2: if we move on. But I guess our hero of
Speaker 2: the picture.
Speaker 3: Is our Rev Brown for the Evening.
Speaker 2: Yes, our Rev Brown is Max, played by Christopher J. Hart.
Speaker 2: This is his only film role, I believe. Constable describes
Speaker 2: him as an expat working in Jakarta at the time,
Speaker 2: possibly an engineer. I don't know that she knew or remembered.
Speaker 2: I tried to find out any additional information on this guy.
Speaker 2: I did find an Atlanta area surge with the same name,
Speaker 2: and I really wanted it to be the same guy.
Speaker 2: But I have to admit to myself that I think
Speaker 2: these are two different people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a coincidence. Well, this guy has real blast
Speaker 3: hard cheese energy. As I said, he's very red, brown,
Speaker 3: square jawed, hunky guy with blonde hair who's just a
Speaker 3: slab of meat there to be our hero. And he's
Speaker 3: got a real I don't know his delivery. There's one
Speaker 3: moment that I think we were talking about off Mike.
Speaker 3: I didn't already say this on the episode, did I about?
Speaker 3: There's one moment that I think kind of sums up
Speaker 3: his performance. Though this is attributable to the writing as well.
Speaker 3: So it's copying lots of scenes from Terminator. And you
Speaker 3: remember the scene from Terminator where Kyle Reese, the soldier
Speaker 3: from the future who has come back in time to
Speaker 3: protect Sarah Connor. He's been shot and she's helping him
Speaker 3: and she's like, she's like, your bullet wound, doesn't it hurt?
Speaker 3: And he says in Terminator pain can be controlled, you
Speaker 3: just disconnect it. In this movie, it recreates that scene
Speaker 3: and he's got a bullet wound and she, the Erica character,
Speaker 3: is like, doesn't it hurt? And he's like nah, And
Speaker 3: that's that's Max here.
Speaker 2: So Erica is the heroine, I guess, or at least
Speaker 2: the damsel in distress. Well, the Sarah Connor role, the
Speaker 2: Sarah Connor role, except what if Sarah Connor like wasn't
Speaker 2: also like pretty tough and self gone. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to take anything away from Erica.
Speaker 3: But I look, Erica, she make her a singer in
Speaker 3: this movie. It's true she is.
Speaker 2: She's a singer. She has presumably a good voice. I
Speaker 2: don't know we actually hear that voice, but I believe
Speaker 2: through the magic of cinema that she has one.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is another leveling up choice they made.
Speaker 3: So they wanted to recreate the tech noir club sequence
Speaker 3: from Terminator, but they but they were like, what if
Speaker 3: instead the Sarah Connor character was not just waiting in
Speaker 3: tech Noir for the police to arrive and help her,
Speaker 3: but she was actually singing on stage and giving a performance.
Speaker 3: I'm like that's good. Okay, that is a level up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's a great secrets. I look forward to
Speaker 2: talking about that one. It's like a like a disco
Speaker 2: teche number, a full musical number ahead of the rampage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a tech noir club with the guy who looks
Speaker 3: like Geddy Lee and a cowboy hat and sunglasses tending bar.
Speaker 2: Yes, and Erica is played here by Claudia Angelique Rotamaker,
Speaker 2: again her only film croll A role here, so I
Speaker 2: don't know anything else about her, but she does a
Speaker 2: perfectly fine job here. All right, Now, there is a
Speaker 2: There is a group of gentlemen that help Max out.
Speaker 2: Some of them are total red shirts, but at least
Speaker 2: three of them, maybe more. There are guys with mustaches
Speaker 2: like they are white dudes with with mustaches that get
Speaker 2: I get confused with in this picture, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if we're dealing with one mustachioed Caucasian guy or multiple
Speaker 2: mustachio Caucasian guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one beef guy who's essentially a copy of Max,
Speaker 3: but change it to brown hair and add the mustache,
Speaker 3: so he's the muscle guy. And then you've got should
Speaker 3: we can we talk about snake for a minute. Snake's
Speaker 3: my favorite character in the film.
Speaker 2: Snake is terrific. So out of these so out of
Speaker 2: these gentlemen. It's like Max has essentially three buddies, white
Speaker 2: dude with a mustache and two Indonesian gentlemen. One one
Speaker 2: is serious and one is the obvious ham of the bunch.
Speaker 2: And that's that's Snake. Strong stoner vibes for Snake.
Speaker 3: Wait, am I thinking of the right guy? Snake is
Speaker 3: the guy with the blonde mullet wig. Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is Snake played by Adam Stardust.
Speaker 3: That's a real name.
Speaker 2: No, no, and I and this may not be his
Speaker 2: you know, birth name either, but yeah. He's also known
Speaker 2: as Adam Juguani. And while this is Adam stardust slash,
Speaker 2: Adam Juguani's only film role on the major film Databasis,
Speaker 2: he is seemingly still around and is a DJ with
Speaker 2: an easy to find social media footprint in I Believe
Speaker 2: in Indonesia. He is quote existing at sixty living in
Speaker 2: the eighties. Some more power to him. You can look
Speaker 2: him up on YouTube. He's got mixes at parties. This
Speaker 2: dude is still still out there partying hard when.
Speaker 3: He gets blasted by the laser beams from Lady Terminator's eyes.
Speaker 3: I gasped, I made a noise. It was a terrible loss.
Speaker 2: You don't really expect the comic relief character to just
Speaker 2: get eye blasted, and generally they get to survive.
Speaker 3: Not Snake. They couldn't do that to Snake, all.
Speaker 2: Right, the mustachioed guy. And I may be wrong. There
Speaker 2: are different parts in the dub where I feel like
Speaker 2: certain characters could refer to by a confusingly different name.
Speaker 3: Tom, and which one was Tom?
Speaker 2: Tom?
Speaker 3: Okay, so Tom the best friend.
Speaker 2: Tom is the best friend. But there's a point where
Speaker 2: somebody blows up in a helicopter and they also call
Speaker 2: that guy Tom.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought I heard, too, Okay, but that
Speaker 3: wasn't the same guy.
Speaker 2: Right, Tom on the ground, Tom a best friend. Tom
Speaker 2: is played by e King Fozzy born nineteen fifty nine,
Speaker 2: Indonesian rock star of the nineteen eighties. You can look
Speaker 2: him up on discogs multiple releases as an actor active
Speaker 2: through at least twenty twenty three. And I certainly don't
Speaker 2: know much about Indonesian cinema outside of some of these
Speaker 2: exploitation pictures, but it seems like his roles outside of
Speaker 2: the late nineteen eighties were actually supporting roles in more
Speaker 2: serious films, more like mainstream fair.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm glad he got to play around and
Speaker 3: stuff like this though, because he's fun too. He is
Speaker 3: this the guy who when they're like escaping the police station,
Speaker 3: he gets shot and you think he's dead, and then
Speaker 3: he comes back later and they're like, oh, you're alive,
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, I am, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then spoilers, but he also gets shot again
Speaker 2: and you think he's dead, like this time for real,
Speaker 2: but then he seems to survive and then possibly die again.
Speaker 2: We're not sure, all right. And then finally white guy
Speaker 2: with the mustache, or at least the main one, the
Speaker 2: one that factors into the final battle, is played by
Speaker 2: Joseph P McGlenn. I think this character's name is Joe,
Speaker 2: but he might also be referred to as Tank. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. As far as I could tell, he
Speaker 2: was a helicopter pilot working in Indonesia at the time.
Speaker 2: This is his only film credit. I may or may
Speaker 2: not have found his LinkedIn profile.
Speaker 3: You gonna hire him?
Speaker 2: No, I think he's retired. But oh, okay, but if
Speaker 2: I need somebody to go up against a killer female robot,
Speaker 2: you know I'm gonna sign up for LinkedIn Pro and
Speaker 2: contact him.
Speaker 3: I guess, okay, Now what about our mage class character? Yes,
Speaker 3: don't we also in the party have a wise old wizard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our van helson of the group who consults grand
Speaker 2: uncle Masabu played by an actor credited as h I M.
Speaker 2: Damshik who lived nineteen twenty nine through twenty twelve, very
Speaker 2: slender Indonesian actor with credits seemingly strewn across numerous tantalizing
Speaker 2: genre films. He'd apparently been a dancer and then dance
Speaker 2: instructor and choreographer, working like adjacent to film and then
Speaker 2: maybe in film a little bit before they started casting
Speaker 2: him in parts. And based on like the pictures he's
Speaker 2: showing up in and some of the names of the characters,
Speaker 2: I can easily imagine that this guy became a go
Speaker 2: to elder actor for various supporting elder characters. You know,
Speaker 2: you need a Van Helsing type role. You need a
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, a wise old mage like
Speaker 2: you like you say, this is the guy you cast.
Speaker 3: That's right, he's got a very wispy beard, and he
Speaker 3: he you know, tells the tale of the of the
Speaker 3: curse from ancient from the ancient past. Though he's not
Speaker 3: just somebody with intellectual book learning about the magic, he
Speaker 3: has a personal connection to it because he's sort of
Speaker 3: the guardian of our heroin. He's there to deliver the
Speaker 3: lore to her and to pass along the magical artifact
Speaker 3: that she's going to need in order to defeat the
Speaker 3: Lady Terminator and undo the south Sea Queen's magic. That's right.
Speaker 2: This actor's other credits include nineteen eighty Satan Slave, nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one's The Warrior, as well as Queen of Black Magic.
Speaker 2: That one has Susannah eighty two is The Snake Queen,
Speaker 2: also starring Susannah eighty four is The Devil's Sword nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety and also nineteen ninety two's Lady Dragon that had
Speaker 2: Cynthia Rothrock in it, and then many other pictures as well.
Speaker 3: Also, this is a more serious character, but he gets
Speaker 3: a really ignominious end.
Speaker 2: Yes, he doesn't really get a very dignified death, does he.
Speaker 2: But it's an hilarious death.
Speaker 3: We'll have to talk more about that. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: The only other acting credit of note, The Queen of
Speaker 2: the South Sea, as we encounter her at the very
Speaker 2: beginning of the picture, is played by an actress credited
Speaker 2: by the name Fortinella, popular Indonesian actress of apparently mixed
Speaker 2: Indonesian and Italian descent who acted in a string of films,
Speaker 2: mostly in the nineteen nineties and mostly comedies. Finally, the music, Oh,
Speaker 2: I love the music of Lady Terminator. I do not
Speaker 2: know exactly what its origins are. It's credited to one
Speaker 2: Ricky Brothers and they have no other credits, so I
Speaker 2: don't know this is somebody's pseudonym. If this is like
Speaker 2: a pair of composed is.
Speaker 3: It Ricky Brothers or the Ricky Brothers.
Speaker 2: I took it to be someone named Ricky Brothers, like
Speaker 2: that's their stage name or something. But there are no
Speaker 2: other credits, and as far as I can tell, like
Speaker 2: this is all original music, you know it's there are
Speaker 2: obviously some terminator notes in there. Yes, there are a
Speaker 2: few times where I got kind of like a slight
Speaker 2: biosphere vibe off of it before it got terminatory again.
Speaker 2: But I really enjoyed it. It strikes the exact note
Speaker 2: you want for a picture like Lady Terminator.
Speaker 3: Okay, you ready to talk about the plot.
Speaker 2: Let's discuss the plot.
Speaker 3: All right. So I've been a bit under the weather
Speaker 3: this week, so Rob, I had to lean on you
Speaker 3: to make more plot notes. This time. I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to rely on you to get us through the plot here.
Speaker 3: But I did make some notes about the very beginning here.
Speaker 2: I did watch this the first time when I had
Speaker 2: a fever, okay, to make sure we're kind of lining
Speaker 2: up with being under the weather whilst watching Lady Terminator.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, okay. So we opened the film on a
Speaker 3: bleak picture of these waves rolling along in a very
Speaker 3: cold looking kind of gray green sea, and there's a
Speaker 3: sound of wind whipping all around, and then a voiceover
Speaker 3: comes in from out of nowhere, and it says it's
Speaker 3: a very i should say, very sharp vocal delivery. It's
Speaker 3: a very almost kind of venomous tone in delivering this
Speaker 3: dialogue or not dialogue, and voiceover it says, sometimes the
Speaker 3: past should be left to memory to gather dust within
Speaker 3: the cupboards of recorded time. That's it, that's what it says.
Speaker 3: Now we cut to waves crashing against a rocky shore,
Speaker 3: and there's a castle perched up on a seaside cliff,
Speaker 3: and there's very dreamy eighties music. There's kind of some
Speaker 3: glass bell synthesizer and reverbi drums, you know that eighties sound.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, drums in an empty steel haul. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: And this castle looks really cool. I get kind of
Speaker 2: a Indonesian Gothic vibe from this castle. Presumably this is
Speaker 2: the castle of the south Sea Queen or the woman
Speaker 2: who is going to become the south Sea Queen in
Speaker 2: this prologue.
Speaker 3: Right, So the strings come in on the soundtrack and
Speaker 3: we get the classic the ds A motif D and
Speaker 3: we see a lady here. She's in a bedroom, kind
Speaker 3: of misty bedroom. There's like a fog billowing around, and
Speaker 3: we see you know, bed sheets kind of hanging down
Speaker 3: or I don't know what you call those bed curtains
Speaker 3: hanging down all around. I watched part of this with Rachel,
Speaker 3: and she pointed out, when you see the bed at
Speaker 3: this part, it looks almost like it's like a table,
Speaker 3: looks like not cushiony, like very flat and hard with
Speaker 3: just like a sheet over it, but some kind of
Speaker 3: flat surface. And this lady is on a bed having
Speaker 3: sex with a man. She's wearing a sheer green dress
Speaker 3: or wrap of some kind, with a bunch of gold
Speaker 3: jewelry around her neck and in her hair with heavy
Speaker 3: blue eyeshadow. And I guess this is our south Sea Queen,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 2: And we quickly see that her green dress is for
Speaker 2: some sort of sarong that wraps around her body and
Speaker 2: then trails on the floor, almost like the tail of
Speaker 2: a great snake or perhaps a mermaid. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: in this prologue here we get a version of the
Speaker 2: south Sea Queen myth. At first, it seems like this
Speaker 2: prologue is set in historic mythic times, but we're later
Speaker 2: going to learn that this is probably like eighteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: because there's one hundred years prior to the picture.
Speaker 3: I guess it would have to be yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen eighty eight, eighteen eighty nine, something like that. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the south Sea Queen as depicted here, seems to
Speaker 2: have an insatiable appetite for sex and death, inviting eager
Speaker 2: men into her castle where she loves them up, and
Speaker 2: then she kills them via some form of implied vagina
Speaker 2: dentata attack. So surely she's on top of them, there
Speaker 2: are some everyone pulls some weird faces, and then there's
Speaker 2: a splur of blood across everyone's bodies and they're done.
Speaker 2: The lover is dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We get the scene many times in the movie
Speaker 3: of a guy who's like really excited, he's like, oh boy,
Speaker 3: and then we just get the like the splurt of
Speaker 3: blood coming up his torso into his face.
Speaker 2: Yes, punished for his lust. And so in this sequence,
Speaker 2: she dispenses with yet another victim and then wonders aloud
Speaker 2: as she eats some grapes if anyone, if any lover
Speaker 2: out there can possibly satisfire. And that's when a handsome,
Speaker 2: heroic man boldly strolls in and seems to take her
Speaker 2: up on the challenge, and in the midst of their
Speaker 2: love making, he grabs a serpent from her, like from
Speaker 2: around her thighs, which in turn transforms into a Chris
Speaker 2: that's a Javanese traditional asymmetrical dagger.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was curious about that word. I was
Speaker 3: hearing it throughout the movie. But yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 3: like a wavy looking kind of dagger. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: the eel snake thing turns into the knife.
Speaker 2: That's right, right, So he's and you know, you quickly
Speaker 2: get the idea that he has. He has, you know,
Speaker 2: stopped her from killing him with her magic, but he's
Speaker 2: also kind of captured some of her magic. Whatever the
Speaker 2: details of it. She's outraged, and he's like, calm down,
Speaker 2: we're married now and the killings need to stop.
Speaker 3: But she doesn't like this. She doesn't like having her
Speaker 3: deadly eel power stolen. So she curses him.
Speaker 2: Right, she says, one hundred years from now, I'm going
Speaker 2: to come back and kill your great granddaughter, and then
Speaker 2: she wanders out into the sea to join the evil
Speaker 2: forces of the deep. And then we'll later learn that
Speaker 2: that castle apparently follows her into the depths, sinking beneath
Speaker 2: the waves.
Speaker 3: By the way, when she swears revenge, Rob, you were
Speaker 3: not really like shortening or summarizing at all. That's exactly
Speaker 3: she just says, in one hundred years, I'll have my
Speaker 3: revenge on your great granddaughter.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no additional additional details. And we don't even
Speaker 2: know how he really responds to it. I guess he's
Speaker 2: kind of shocked, but he's like, well, okay, fair, but no,
Speaker 2: I guess he's probably distressed because he thought they had
Speaker 2: a shot at actually making this marriage work, and it
Speaker 2: very quickly fell apart. So we get our title, we
Speaker 2: get our opening credits, and then we fast forward to
Speaker 2: present day and we meet our protagonists for now, the
Speaker 2: young American anthropologist Tanya, whose research concerns the South Sea Queen.
Speaker 3: So she is in Indonesia, from what I understand, trying
Speaker 3: to complete her PhD. But it's funny because she talks
Speaker 3: about it more like a I don't know, like a
Speaker 3: high school student having to complete an assignment. She's like,
Speaker 3: I've got to finish writing this thesis or I won't graduate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't go to prom. I can't go to
Speaker 2: the PhD prom if I don't get this done.
Speaker 3: But yeah, So she's there studying the south Sea Queen,
Speaker 3: but also doesn't seem to be all that knowledgeable about it,
Speaker 3: like she's kind of getting there and finding out things
Speaker 3: about Yeah, like because it what's the deal with the
Speaker 3: south Sea Queen? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this again, this is constable. This is the less
Speaker 2: convincing half of her performance before she becomes Lady Terminator.
Speaker 2: Right now, she's just Lady Anthropologist, And so she's on
Speaker 2: the hunt for details about the South Sea Queen. We
Speaker 2: get a creepy research sequence in what I can only
Speaker 2: assume is a very hot attic library. That's the main
Speaker 2: vibe I got off of it. But she's asking around
Speaker 2: about forbidden books and quickly acquiring forbidden books and learning
Speaker 2: about the south Sea Queen.
Speaker 3: She also meets our wizard character.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, and he's like, you you shouldn't,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't dove into such things. And she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I want to, and he's like, okay, yeah. And
Speaker 2: so now that we have the library sequence done, we
Speaker 2: move on to actual field work, a solo scuba expedition
Speaker 2: to the castle of the South Sea Queen on the
Speaker 2: bottom of the ocean on a chartered boat that features
Speaker 2: a grumpy captain as well as some guy named Popeye.
Speaker 3: Kind of an Indonesian quint character is the captain here.
Speaker 3: There's some Robert Shawl energy coming off of him, like
Speaker 3: he's drinking a beer out of a can and he's
Speaker 3: he's arguing with her. He's kind of gruff, you know,
Speaker 3: He's like, you shouldn't go there to the I think
Speaker 3: first he dismisses her interest in the South Sea Queen
Speaker 3: is like, oh, that's a bunch of nonsense, and then
Speaker 3: he starts getting real. He's like, look, you don't want
Speaker 3: to do this, you don't want to mess around. But
Speaker 3: somehow I forget how she convinces him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she she chooses logic.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 2: She's like, we're living in the modern age. She cites
Speaker 2: people are building space stations on the moon, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's like, that's right, they are totally doing that,
Speaker 2: and therefore my superstitious beliefs feel a little embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're safe from the South Sea Queen.
Speaker 2: And then she kind of charms him a little bit
Speaker 2: and he's like, okay, we'll take you there again a
Speaker 2: solo scuba trip. So she goes in. We get a
Speaker 2: little stock footage of some very murky looking corals. She
Speaker 2: comes back up at first because of something in her
Speaker 2: unit's not working right. Then she goes down again, and
Speaker 2: then we get this great sequence where the water becomes
Speaker 2: disturbed and the captain like looks, he looks down, then
Speaker 2: he looks up and then he's like, oh.
Speaker 3: God, what have I done?
Speaker 2: And then he's destroyed by a wave. Yes, I regret nothing.
Speaker 3: But Tanya is still down there. So she's descending to
Speaker 3: the sunken castle of the south Sea Queen.
Speaker 2: And something goes south down there, because the next thing
Speaker 2: we see, she is in her black bikini strapped to
Speaker 2: the south Sea Queen's massive like hard platform bed that
Speaker 2: we saw in the prologue, and a supernatural snake or
Speaker 2: eel or something crawls up to her nethers and obviously
Speaker 2: possesses her either with the spirit of the South Sea
Speaker 2: Queen or as we have been discussing, at least the
Speaker 2: strong influence of the South Sea Queen.
Speaker 3: Right, And so from now on she's just in terminator mode.
Speaker 3: And it's not one of those movies where somebody is
Speaker 3: snapping back to reality and becoming themselves again and they're like,
Speaker 3: what is taking over me? I don't understand this. It's
Speaker 3: not a werewolf type struggle. She's just a terminator from
Speaker 3: now on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tanya, the lady anthropologist that you may be so
Speaker 2: invested in at this point and the picture is gone.
Speaker 2: You'll never see her again. Now she is a vessel
Speaker 2: of pure vengeance. So from here we cut to her emergence.
Speaker 2: He emerges a half naked on a midnight shore terminator style,
Speaker 2: bolts of animated blue lightning coming off of her body.
Speaker 3: She comes up on the shore, and much like in Terminator,
Speaker 3: she first comes across a group of a hard drinking
Speaker 3: punks out you know, for a night out on the town.
Speaker 3: They're drinking out of brown bags, I guess. And except
Speaker 3: these guys I think are having significantly more fun even
Speaker 3: than the group of punks including Bill Paxton at the
Speaker 3: beginning of Terminator, you know what I mean, Like, they
Speaker 3: will not stop laughing, and one guy is just he
Speaker 3: is so just goofully laughing it up that he can't
Speaker 3: stop urinating in a like a stream that's just blasting
Speaker 3: off of him while he's talking to his buddy. It's
Speaker 3: it's hard to describe the energy of this scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, he basically screams, Oh God, I need a woman
Speaker 2: as he falls to his knees, beer in one hand,
Speaker 2: cigarette in the other, peeing into the air. These are
Speaker 2: the dirt bags that are about to get murdered by
Speaker 2: Lady Terminator. And that's that's basically how it goes down.
Speaker 2: She wanders up Terminator style, still half naked, but now
Speaker 2: with a green necklace like a jade necklace that's going
Speaker 2: to be important here in a bit. She approaches these
Speaker 2: guys and they immediately offer her pot in good times
Speaker 2: in their car, and basically she makes very short work
Speaker 2: of them death by snooz snow, and she takes their clothes,
Speaker 2: their boots, but she leaves their motor car behind.
Speaker 3: It exactly, and it's the kind of death we saw
Speaker 3: earlier where the guys like mid coitus and then suddenly
Speaker 3: like spray of blood up the stomach into the face.
Speaker 2: He's like, ooh, now for there. It's off to one
Speaker 2: of the many hotels that serve as locations for this film.
Speaker 2: A lot of this film seems to have been filmed
Speaker 2: in very nice looking hotels and all so airport runways
Speaker 2: and also some malls, some nice shopping malls. So seemingly
Speaker 2: our lady Terminator has checked into the penthouse at this
Speaker 2: nice hotel and we get this. It's kind of, I guess,
Speaker 2: a meditation scene or communing with the spirit of the
Speaker 2: south Sea Queen. It's pretty cool. They're gels. There's like,
Speaker 2: I guess the MTV is playing on the TV. There's
Speaker 2: an enormous penthouse bar and she's like meditating topless before
Speaker 2: a portrait of the south Sea Queen that's on the wall.
Speaker 3: Why do they have that?
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know if it was this
Speaker 2: there or it magically appeared. We get more of this
Speaker 2: time travel Terminator Highlander, the quickening lightning, and this ends
Speaker 2: up exploding liquor bottles, destroying lamps, lights up her eyes
Speaker 2: and nipples. And then the security guard shows up with
Speaker 2: an oozy and just gets immediately taken out. She just
Speaker 2: like yanks him by the collar and you know he's
Speaker 2: done for.
Speaker 3: So something I noticed is the Lady Terminator is on
Speaker 3: a mission. She has a main target that she's going after,
Speaker 3: and we will find find out it is the singer Erica,
Speaker 3: who I think we see on the TV.
Speaker 2: In this is that Erica? That would make sense, I think.
Speaker 3: So she's singing on the TV.
Speaker 2: So this is not merely meditation. This is research. She's like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's seeking out Erica and then powering up so that
Speaker 2: she can go out and get her hook.
Speaker 3: Ah. That's the great granddaughter I'm supposed to get revenge on.
Speaker 3: So there there is that target. But I would say functionally,
Speaker 3: what she really hates in this movie is glass and crotches. Yes,
Speaker 3: those are the main things she attacks.
Speaker 2: Yes, she is going to shatter some glass, and she's
Speaker 2: going to shatter some crotches. So much crotch violence in
Speaker 2: this picture. We have some great examples to share.
Speaker 3: You could just tell the director was never getting tired
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So from here we cut to this location,
Speaker 2: just screams expat bar. I don't know, I don't know where.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it. I looked for more information about
Speaker 2: filming local, even where in Indonesia everything was shot, and
Speaker 2: I didn't get a lot. So, uh, this is I think,
Speaker 2: supposed to be New York City, but it's some sort
Speaker 2: of a restaurant bar environment that has a bunch of
Speaker 2: Union jacks up.
Speaker 3: Wait, then this is supposed to be New York City.
Speaker 2: I there was some detail in this dialogue that made
Speaker 2: me think it, what like, this is not supposed to
Speaker 2: be Indonesia, right, this is supposed to be Max. This
Speaker 2: is supposed to be Max's home country.
Speaker 3: Well, I had a lot of questions about where this
Speaker 3: was supposed to take place. Nothing really made sense, but
Speaker 3: I thought it was definitely not supposed to be anywhere
Speaker 3: in the United States because at one point he calls
Speaker 3: his friends in the United States. He says, I'm putting
Speaker 3: in a call to my friends in the States, and
Speaker 3: he calls them and they answer and they come over.
Speaker 2: Is this in the bar scene or is this in
Speaker 2: a later scene?
Speaker 3: Maybe in a later scene.
Speaker 2: Okay, my read on this, this is a flashback. We
Speaker 2: don't know it's a flashback yet, but where you'll find
Speaker 2: out that it's a flashback. I think this is Max
Speaker 2: in his former life, maybe in New York, maybe in Australia,
Speaker 2: who knows. But then we get some hint of a
Speaker 2: tragedy that forces him to then join the Indonesian police force.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I'm confused about what Yes, you were
Speaker 3: right to probably.
Speaker 2: Confused by this. But in this sequence, in this bar,
Speaker 2: we meet Max along with I think Snake and Tom
Speaker 2: are there, so that the Snake's presence does lead us
Speaker 2: to wonder if this is maybe actually Indonesia. I don't know,
Speaker 2: But basically what happens is there's a pretty lady in
Speaker 2: the bar. A couple of abusive eighties movie punks show
Speaker 2: up and they start harassing her, and so Snake and
Speaker 2: Tom and Max they bump, they bust him up, they
Speaker 2: drive them away, and then we almost immediately cut away
Speaker 2: from Max talking to this lady to him pining tragically
Speaker 2: over a photograph of himself and said, lady, and apparently
Speaker 2: now he is a homicide detective in perhaps Jakarta.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all making sense now. I was having fragmented
Speaker 3: memories I was trying to piece together. Yes, you're right.
Speaker 3: So so, yeah, we see the flashback of him meeting
Speaker 3: his wife, and then immediately we cut to somethings terrible
Speaker 3: has happened. She's gone now, and he's he's in Indonesia
Speaker 3: as a police officer for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but this is what we
Speaker 2: have to work with. Yes, And they're almost immediately called
Speaker 2: out on a job. We get this, we get this
Speaker 2: hilarious hot dog conversation where we get the line we've
Speaker 2: seen more dead bodies and you've eaten hot dogs, so
Speaker 2: shut up and eat.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that all the time.
Speaker 2: So they're called out clearly to investigate some of these
Speaker 2: south Sea Queen killings. They don't know it's the south
Speaker 2: Sea Queen yet, but there are some murders happening and
Speaker 2: Max and his team are on the case.
Speaker 3: Is this the part where they go to the morgue
Speaker 3: to see the bodies and they're like, huh, the genitals
Speaker 3: were removed from all these men, and one of them
Speaker 3: is like, could be a small animal.
Speaker 2: That comes later, but this is' that's like phase two
Speaker 2: of their work. Yeah, okay, but before where we get that,
Speaker 2: we end up having to touch base with Erica, who
Speaker 2: we've I guess seen on the screen. We've talked about
Speaker 2: her already, but this is who will learn to be
Speaker 2: the curse great granddaughter of the Casanova from the opening prologue,
Speaker 2: the woman that the terminator, the lady terminator here is
Speaker 2: out to murder.
Speaker 3: So she's a popular music sensation and I think when
Speaker 3: we first meet her, she's being interviewed by like somebody
Speaker 3: comes up with a news camera microphone.
Speaker 2: For yeah, and what is clearly a very nice hotel lobby,
Speaker 2: but they're like, hey, this is Joe Peterson for Channel six.
Speaker 2: Tell us about how famous you are and can't you
Speaker 2: can you not wait to be famous?
Speaker 3: Like it's weird.
Speaker 2: They're interviewing her like she's a celebrity, but also asking
Speaker 2: her us like what do you think is going to
Speaker 2: be like when you're famous? And she's like, I can't imagine, well,
Speaker 2: she's still she's still very much an everyday you know
Speaker 2: girl who wants to go to the mall, and she
Speaker 2: does that. In the next scene with her friend Lydia,
Speaker 2: they're trying on jewelry and there they particularly they go
Speaker 2: to a jewelry store and Erica is already wearing an
Speaker 2: authentic jade necks that is identical to the one that
Speaker 2: Lady Terminator was wearing earlier. And just to confuse things
Speaker 2: even more, Lydia says, I'm going to buy an exact
Speaker 2: replica of your authentic jade necklace that you got from
Speaker 2: your ancestor. And everyone's like, this sounds like a good plan. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: of course, Lady Terminator has already shown up at the
Speaker 2: mall and is stalking them.
Speaker 3: You don't actually get these sound effects, but as she's
Speaker 3: walking through the mall, you can just hear in your
Speaker 3: head like the.
Speaker 2: And Lady t is decked out in what will be
Speaker 2: her signature look for most of the picture, at least
Speaker 2: when she's not naked, she's wearing a green sportspra. She's
Speaker 2: got black leather jacket on and then these like tight
Speaker 2: stitched like open at the sides leather rocker pants like
Speaker 2: eighties heavy not heavy metal, but eighties metal pants. Yes,
Speaker 2: but she didn't have the green necklace anymore. Now her
Speaker 2: necklace is black. For whatever reason, didn't notice that change.
Speaker 2: I should also point out that Lady Terminator has great hair.
Speaker 2: She has this like great zoos will ask head of
Speaker 2: Sigourney Weaver hair going on in most of the picture.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's no denying Constables a stone cold knockout
Speaker 2: in this end. Evidently by virtue of the weapons training
Speaker 2: she's received, ultimately pretty convincing firing all these guns, which
Speaker 2: she's about to do.
Speaker 3: Right, because Erica and her friend they part ways, right,
Speaker 3: Eric has to go do something else and her friend
Speaker 3: goes into the bathroom, and for some reason, Lady Terminator
Speaker 3: goes after her first.
Speaker 2: Right, goes into the bathroom, shoots her with an UZI,
Speaker 2: kills an innocent bystander, and then she pulls the necklace
Speaker 2: off of her and quickly discerns that it's a fake.
Speaker 2: So the hunt continues. More stalking in the mall, more
Speaker 2: senseless murder of humans, and television.
Speaker 3: Sets had to break some glass, that's right.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, cut to the seaside and we see Grand uncle Masabu,
Speaker 2: and he is meditating and clearly has a premonition that
Speaker 2: Erica is in trouble, and he draws the sacred Chris
Speaker 2: Knife knife and he realizes he needs to jump in
Speaker 2: there and help. Then we get the autopsy scene that
Speaker 2: we already describe.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it was not a small animal as they
Speaker 3: first suspect, But then they make some crude jokes, and
Speaker 3: then also there is a there's some comic relief in
Speaker 3: the scene because the autop like the morgue attendant is
Speaker 3: just eating spicy noodles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just they're eating noodles. They're like, you're disgusting,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I gotta eat. And from there we
Speaker 2: cut to the disco sequence that we referenced earlier. They
Speaker 2: later clarified that this is the Manhattan Club.
Speaker 3: The Manhattan Club is the tech noir of Lady Terminy.
Speaker 2: That's right, and this before anything even really happens in
Speaker 2: this scene. It's splendid. It's just great disco vibes. I
Speaker 2: like the way it's shot. I love the colors. We
Speaker 2: hear most of, if not the entire song that Eric
Speaker 2: is performing. I wasn't able to hunt down what this
Speaker 2: song is or who recorded it where it came from?
Speaker 3: But I like original. It seems the chorus says something
Speaker 3: like we.
Speaker 2: Fight, fight for life, we serve those in power.
Speaker 3: That was a little confused, But what is that really?
Speaker 3: What it means.
Speaker 2: As all we assist those in power? I think it says, Well,
Speaker 2: it's everyone's having a great time here. It turns out
Speaker 2: that Max is here with one of his co workers,
Speaker 2: one of the other detectives named Jack. I believe, but
Speaker 2: we learned Max is living in the past. He's unable
Speaker 2: to move on. He can't fall in love again after
Speaker 2: whatever horrible things happened to his previous girlfriend.
Speaker 3: You know so many cop characters in movies, they're always
Speaker 3: they're taking it too personal, right the case, the case
Speaker 3: is weighing on them. Max is not taking the job
Speaker 3: too personal. He's taken his own personal life to personal,
Speaker 3: which is a refreshing change.
Speaker 2: Better work life balance hard hard to.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, or work grief balance yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, this, this this party vibe is not
Speaker 2: going to last. A lady t shows up, we get
Speaker 2: another massive shootout of those bottles on the bar. Don't
Speaker 2: stand a chance. Nope, she takes those out for sure,
Speaker 2: so there's an exchange of gunfire. Everyone's running for it.
Speaker 2: This is the scene where Max apparently blurts out, come
Speaker 2: with me if you want to live.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: But after Jack saves the day by like getting some
Speaker 2: rather impactful shotgun blasted on Lady t but then Lady
Speaker 2: murders Jack and he's out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think does she like twists his head or something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so this is a pretty good chase. But this also
Speaker 3: is one scene where they're going to great lengths to
Speaker 3: copy exact shots from Terminator, like the sequence where the
Speaker 3: Terminator gets knocked down and then you see his fingers
Speaker 3: twitch and he starts to get back up. They do
Speaker 3: the exact same thing there, so they're clearly copying a
Speaker 3: lot of staging. I mentioned this earlier, but did you
Speaker 3: notice the bartender in the tech noir bar here. He's
Speaker 3: got long hair and sunglasses and a cowboy hat. He's
Speaker 3: just great.
Speaker 2: I know, I wish he could have seen more of him.
Speaker 2: So this obviously erupts into, like we're saying, another big
Speaker 2: chase scene, more explosions, gunfire, a burning Lady Terminator on
Speaker 2: the hood of their vehicle, everybody steals at least one car,
Speaker 2: but eventually they make it. They make it away to
Speaker 2: the point that they can start doing some computer research
Speaker 2: and pull up like a little computer image of Tanya
Speaker 2: and get a little more detail on what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed that they're able to get an image of
Speaker 3: Tanya's face on what looks like just like a green
Speaker 3: text command prompt.
Speaker 2: So at this point they've got some more research finished
Speaker 2: and they start getting the adventuring party together. Max is
Speaker 2: invited to a night out in the town with the boys,
Speaker 2: and the boys instead are like, we're coming to help you.
Speaker 2: I think this is Snake and one of the other guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is when he puts a call into what
Speaker 3: I took to be the States or are they coming internationally.
Speaker 2: Oh God, that doesn't make sense because that's that's a
Speaker 2: long and definitely not direct flight.
Speaker 3: I can say from experience, Well, yeah, maybe I misunderstood that.
Speaker 3: But he does call his friends. They're like, we'll be
Speaker 3: there to help, and they will show up for a
Speaker 3: great final action scene.
Speaker 2: And then this is also when grand Uncle Masabu shows
Speaker 2: up to assist. He checks out Erica's ambulant and he's like, yep,
Speaker 2: this is it. This is how she's tracking you. But
Speaker 2: this is but also, you know, drive some this is
Speaker 2: a sacred artifact, and so forth, he gives us a
Speaker 2: little more of the lore. Max isn't buying it though,
Speaker 2: He's like, this is nonsense. And then there's this light.
Speaker 2: Almost immediately, Erica says this to excuse him. She says,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been in our country very long.
Speaker 3: But this is also where we're going to get the
Speaker 3: magic dagger, right.
Speaker 2: That's right. Grand Uncle Masabu passes on the Chris to Lydia,
Speaker 2: but he says, don't worry. I am here to protect you.
Speaker 2: And it's a good thing he's here to protect her,
Speaker 2: because the next scene is Lady Terminator driving in through
Speaker 2: the hotel slash police station security and just killing everyone inside.
Speaker 3: So this is another copy of a sequence in Terminator
Speaker 3: where the Terminator comes to the police station where Sarah
Speaker 3: Connor is being held and attacks the whole police station
Speaker 3: looking for her. Lady Terminator does the same thing here,
Speaker 3: and it begins with yeah, driving her car through the
Speaker 3: front desk.
Speaker 2: And this is the point where I noted from here
Speaker 2: on out it's almost continuous machine gun fire, like they're
Speaker 2: not gonna let up. But at the same time, it
Speaker 2: never really gets boring.
Speaker 3: Well because it maintains a level of absurdity. Like we
Speaker 3: mentioned how much she hates glass, so she is going
Speaker 3: to shatter every piece of glass she comes across, every bottle,
Speaker 3: every window, all that. But she also hates crotches, and
Speaker 3: so in this scene, for example, she like shoots one
Speaker 3: guy like five hundred times, and then after that kicks
Speaker 3: him in the crotch.
Speaker 2: That's right. She shoots him off of the rafters, he
Speaker 2: falls down, she says, where is Erica, and then just
Speaker 2: shoots him in the torso like two dozen times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then one good kick in the ball is for
Speaker 2: good measure. And she goes on to just stylishly gun
Speaker 2: down the rest of the security detail one by one.
Speaker 2: Some of them she you know, shoots in the back.
Speaker 2: Others she very strategically shoots in the groin, multiple quality
Speaker 2: groin kills in this.
Speaker 3: I think she's aiming for the groin when she can, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because that's the South Sea Queen's way, you know, That's
Speaker 2: that's part of her lustful, vengeful mo Yeah, she is
Speaker 2: going to aim for the crotch whenever possible. I think
Speaker 2: all in all, in this picture, she kills like sixty
Speaker 2: two people. I didn't do the count myself, but I
Speaker 2: found one of these websites that includes kill counts for
Speaker 2: different characters and films like this, and I think it's
Speaker 2: something like sixty two people. It is a lot, all right.
Speaker 2: But you know who's going to put a stop to this.
Speaker 2: Grand Uncle Masabu, who shows up now dressed all in white,
Speaker 2: enters the fray and we get this amazing supernatural standoff
Speaker 2: between a grand Uncle Masabu with the jade amulet and
Speaker 2: Lady Terminator with her machine gun.
Speaker 3: And you think maybe he's got the power to stop her.
Speaker 3: That would make sense.
Speaker 2: It seems like it's working at first, right, because she
Speaker 2: sees this guy, what is she gonna do? She's gonna
Speaker 2: shoot him, so she unloads on him with the machine gun,
Speaker 2: but the bullets are not touching him. He's like, he's
Speaker 2: totally matrixing this situation, and I guess the bullets are
Speaker 2: just passing through him. And she seems a little perplexed,
Speaker 2: a little worried, like, Okay, now this is a threat
Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared for. And then it's grand Uncle Masabu's
Speaker 2: move he uses some sort of some form of telekinesis
Speaker 2: to make the jade amulet fly directly into her eye socket,
Speaker 2: knocking her down, and she seems to be down for
Speaker 2: the count. We're like, oh my goodness, I think he
Speaker 2: did it. I think he pulled it off. She's not
Speaker 2: gonna set up Michael Meyer's style and start killing people again.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately she does. Not only that, but she right.
Speaker 3: I feel like the grand Uncle. He's a character of
Speaker 3: dignity and you would have expected him to have a
Speaker 3: more dignified death, but no, it's once again just obscene,
Speaker 3: absurd violence.
Speaker 2: There's this great moment where, once she sets up, he
Speaker 2: glances down at his own crotch and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: my crotch is not protected now, or he doesn't say that,
Speaker 2: but that's implied. And then she indeed pulls the machine
Speaker 2: gun out and just shoots him directly in the crotch
Speaker 2: multiple times. He falls against the wall and is dead.
Speaker 3: I felt this one. I like the grand Uncle.
Speaker 2: So from this point on, we of course get more
Speaker 2: machine gun violence. Max and Tom collect Erica and they
Speaker 2: take off. Somehow they make it out with only Tom
Speaker 2: suffering a single movie gun shot to the shoulder, you
Speaker 2: know the movie. Since it's not going to slow him
Speaker 2: down much. They drive off into the night, finally stopping
Speaker 2: in the country when they experience engine problems. Though Tom's
Speaker 2: not there anymore. I don't know where he went.
Speaker 3: I think they leave him behind when he gets shot.
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, okay, not maybe they did, because he's
Speaker 3: not there in the countryside. I thought they're surprised when
Speaker 3: they see him alive again later.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you're correct.
Speaker 3: But this is where we're going to get several scenes
Speaker 3: again recreating scenes from Terminator. So the scene in Terminator
Speaker 3: is when Reese and Sarah Connor takes shelter under a bridge.
Speaker 3: They patch up their wounds, and they get some backstory.
Speaker 3: They talk about some of the themes of the movie,
Speaker 3: including fate and you know, whether or not the future
Speaker 3: can be changed and that kind of thing, and also
Speaker 3: you see their love beginning to blossom. This covers some
Speaker 3: of the same territory. But this is also the scene
Speaker 3: where we get the like does it hurt the bullet wound?
Speaker 5: NA.
Speaker 3: Of course, this guy is not from the future. He's
Speaker 3: just a homicide detective. So there's nothing to talk about there,
Speaker 3: but you do get some of his tragic backstory, telling
Speaker 3: the story of how his wife was killed, and that's
Speaker 3: you know, the source of his pain now. But I
Speaker 3: don't know, for some reason, you haven't really seen any
Speaker 3: good reason for them to be falling in love, but
Speaker 3: they do. So Max and Erica they're like, okay lovers.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, they have a tender love scene in which
Speaker 2: blood is not splurted anywhere and in which no snakes
Speaker 2: or knives factor into the love making at all.
Speaker 3: Also, in what I thought was a pretty funny choice,
Speaker 3: it it also takes shots directly from the sex scene
Speaker 3: in Terminator.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of ripping off Terminator shot for shot, Now
Speaker 2: we go to the topless regeneration scene for Lady t.
Speaker 2: It's the gels are in place again. This is back
Speaker 2: in the I guess, the same hotel Penthouse from before.
Speaker 2: The music here, I thought specifically sounded a little bit
Speaker 2: like Biosphere with a little bit of with certainly those
Speaker 2: Terminator vibes as well.
Speaker 3: Yes there's that. And and this is going to be
Speaker 3: the scene from Terminator where his eye is damaged so
Speaker 3: he has to take his fleshy eye out and reveal
Speaker 3: the you know, the machine eye underneath.
Speaker 2: She's a great sequence in the original Terminator, one that
Speaker 2: really stuck with me as a young viewer, and of
Speaker 2: course one that makes total sense. The Terminator is a machine.
Speaker 2: His eye is damage, his real eye beneath the flesh.
Speaker 2: He has to make repairs, and therefore he has to
Speaker 2: cut into his body is fleshy parts, remove the fleshy parts,
Speaker 2: and repair the metal.
Speaker 3: Underneath, right, and so his eyes will be shielded by
Speaker 3: dark sunglasses for the rest of the movie for that reason.
Speaker 3: But the Lady Terminator, she's got to take her eye out,
Speaker 3: and you know what I'm going to say. I was
Speaker 3: fairly impressed by the makeup effects here. Yeah, they have
Speaker 3: like a copy of her head that looked convincing enough.
Speaker 3: She's like cutting into the eye with the scalpel. I
Speaker 3: was like, ooh, how are they doing that for a
Speaker 3: second before I realized, like, oh wait, that's not really her,
Speaker 3: that's like a mannequin head. But it looks pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the effects were good. It's rippon off Terminator,
Speaker 2: but doing it somewhat effectively, I don't know that it
Speaker 2: made any sense, because again, she's not a machine. There's
Speaker 2: no reason for her to take her eyeball out, and
Speaker 2: yet she removes her eyeball seems to wash it off,
Speaker 2: and then there's some highlander quickening sparks off of it,
Speaker 2: and then she just sticks it back in and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: all fixed up and ready for more sex and death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: But before that happens, there's a we get some more
Speaker 2: strong zool vibes because a bus boy shows up with breakfast,
Speaker 2: and of course he gets sex murder.
Speaker 3: He does not take any convincing. He shows up with
Speaker 3: the breakfast and she's like hey, and she does the
Speaker 3: little like curl the finger like come here. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: just immediately like taking his tie off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's like an extra and a Benny Hill sketch,
Speaker 2: and he is already at that like that frantic speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So she kills him.
Speaker 2: And then meanwhile back at the mall, we're back at
Speaker 2: the mall again the lovebirds Max and Oh.
Speaker 3: Sorry. This this is the scene I mentioned earlier where
Speaker 3: it was really funny how they were running. They were
Speaker 3: on the run, and they're just suddenly at the mall
Speaker 3: and it seems like they're kind of taking it easy.
Speaker 3: They're just shopping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max and Erica. Here are on the run from
Speaker 2: a supernatural uh avatar of vengeance, and they're like, what
Speaker 2: if we went shopping? Maybe went to the food mall,
Speaker 2: and so that's what they decided to do. Maybe they're thinking,
Speaker 2: you know where we'd be saved from Lady Terminator, a
Speaker 2: place with high population density. So of course Lady Terminator
Speaker 2: shows up again. More gunshots, more bystander deaths.
Speaker 3: This is full of glass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more glasses shattered, and our hero and heroin drive
Speaker 2: off again, this time I believe, intending to meet the
Speaker 2: rest of the team at the airport for a final
Speaker 2: showdown with Lady Terminator. This is another scene where everyone
Speaker 2: steals at least one car for the next phase of
Speaker 2: the action.
Speaker 3: Yes, but man, when they get to the to the
Speaker 3: airport runway for the final action scene, this is a
Speaker 3: good final showdown. Yeah, give it two thumbs up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I definitely had some jaw dropping moments here and also
Speaker 2: some enormous laughs. One early on is you know everyone
Speaker 2: knows im Predator. We get that great Dutch Dylan hand.
Speaker 2: I guess you'd call it a handshake. It's like the
Speaker 2: muscle moment where to arm wrestling in the air sort
Speaker 2: of yeah, like that's of course an awesome, iconic moment.
Speaker 2: But this film has four heroes working together, so we
Speaker 2: get a quadruple Dutch Dylan Predator handshake and.
Speaker 3: It's it's glorious, it's really good.
Speaker 2: And we have plenty of red shirts around him that
Speaker 2: are obviously gonna get blasted. So yeah, basically everyone ends
Speaker 2: up on the airport tarmac and multiple elements are in
Speaker 2: play here. We have Lady Terminator driving around in a car. Yes,
Speaker 2: a helicopter is in play shooting air to ground missiles
Speaker 2: at Lady Terminator.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Then we have Snakes show up and he's a what
Speaker 2: is he in? Like some sort of armored personnel carrier.
Speaker 3: They call it the panzer. It looked to me just
Speaker 3: like a truck with like some stuff built around it
Speaker 3: to make it look like a like a tank of
Speaker 3: some kind. But he's driving it and he's like ramming
Speaker 3: her with it and just cussing her out as he
Speaker 3: rams into her. That's so funny.
Speaker 2: Is profanity here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The enthusiasm of the delivery is great though, Yes, so good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he rams or he like ty bones her vehicle,
Speaker 2: but she's clearly still a lot still alive, so Snake
Speaker 2: runs for it, and then the mustachioed guy who I
Speaker 2: think is named Joe, fires a bazooka at her as
Speaker 2: well as the suddenly adjacent fuel tanker, and there's an
Speaker 2: enormous explosion, and I think it's Max who says, yeah,
Speaker 2: that should be enough to kill anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but hey, we've seen Terminator, right. The Terminator
Speaker 3: gets blown up in an exploding tanker and they think
Speaker 3: they're safe, and they're not. Of course, it's going to
Speaker 3: rise up, having all of the flesh burned off of
Speaker 3: it and now being only the metal endoskeleton underneath. Not
Speaker 3: quite the case. Instead, she turns into a half melted
Speaker 3: sort of zombie being.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, kind of a zombie burnt up zombifide form here,
Speaker 2: and she's even more unstoppable. Now. This is one of
Speaker 2: the cases where you often see some the hero does it,
Speaker 2: sometimes the villain does it. But late stage they find
Speaker 2: that that higher year that unlocks additional weaponry that seems
Speaker 2: like could have been useful earlier in the picture, in
Speaker 2: this case laser eyes.
Speaker 3: And this is how our beloved Snake meets his end.
Speaker 3: I hated that they that they laser beam snake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, snake eats it here, takes some laser beams to
Speaker 2: the chest. I think they shoot her like a million
Speaker 2: more times, and she keeps coming, and we do get
Speaker 2: a moment where Max is like he acknowledges Snake's death
Speaker 2: and he goes so long, buddy.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a couple of moments like that. There's another
Speaker 3: one where she the helicopter swoops down and catches her
Speaker 3: in a net.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, that was crazy. Catches her in
Speaker 2: a net. And then what does she do. She looks
Speaker 2: up and I blast the chopper and herself out of
Speaker 2: the sky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she blows up the chopper. And then we cut
Speaker 3: to one of the buddies there who one of the
Speaker 3: guys says, it just kind of like blankly says, like, Tom,
Speaker 3: it's so hilarious, like while the helicopter is still exploding
Speaker 3: mid fireball.
Speaker 2: Shrapnel flying everywhere, but he takes a moment to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: tom my buddy.
Speaker 3: And then that Tom in the helicopter, I was confused that.
Speaker 2: I don't think we knew that that was not the
Speaker 2: other Tom. That will I think get back to here
Speaker 2: in just a second. That was a different Tom. She
Speaker 2: proceeds to so Lady Terminator at this point just proceeds
Speaker 2: to blow everyone and everything up with her ie beams
Speaker 2: and seemingly kills the other Tom or the Tom Prime
Speaker 2: we'll call him in the process, the one played by
Speaker 2: the rockstar that we referenced earlier. Okay, Max runs out
Speaker 2: of AMMO. He tries to club Lady T with his
Speaker 2: machine gun, but she, you know, quickly like bashes him,
Speaker 2: beats him up, and now it's just Lady T chasing
Speaker 2: Erica up the stairs of what I assumed to be
Speaker 2: like an air traffic control tower. And things are feeling
Speaker 2: really dire here because there's no way there's going to
Speaker 2: be an industrial hydraulic press up there, you know, to
Speaker 2: the Terminator.
Speaker 3: That's right, So what's she gonna do? But you do
Speaker 3: see tucked into the back of her clothes as she's
Speaker 3: running up the stairs, she still got the wrapped up
Speaker 3: gift from her grand uncle.
Speaker 2: Ah, the Sacred Chris. Yes, I didn't even notice it
Speaker 2: in her belt here, so I'd kind of forgotten about it.
Speaker 2: Because up at the top of the tower, Lady Terminator
Speaker 2: catches up, goes in for the kill. Max catches up,
Speaker 2: but he's not much use. She like throws him down
Speaker 2: a flight of stairs, and then she climbs on top
Speaker 2: of Erica and begins to like strangle her or something.
Speaker 2: But then that's when Erica pulls out the Chris.
Speaker 3: And is it sort of a Highlander type defeating the
Speaker 3: monster here? Is there some lightning involved?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is great because she stabs a lady terminator
Speaker 2: with the Chris. There's like a quickening explosion with the
Speaker 2: animated blue lightning, and then the Chris floats in the air,
Speaker 2: glows and shoots off like a space ship into the night.
Speaker 3: Beautiful magnifico.
Speaker 2: So it's been this whole time, but now it seems
Speaker 2: like the sun is coming up, a light is coming
Speaker 2: back into the world. And so now we see our
Speaker 2: surviving couple. They've been bandaged up. They're grieving for the
Speaker 2: dead as they take them by on stretchers, and then
Speaker 2: they bring by Tom on his stretcher and he's seemingly
Speaker 2: still alive, and we get this great little exchange with
Speaker 2: him where he says, I want to live forever.
Speaker 3: That's great. I don't know, that's actually an interesting, nice
Speaker 3: kind of line. Yeah, discovers after having been eyeball blasted
Speaker 3: by Lady Terminator or whatever happened to him.
Speaker 2: I forget, Yeah, he'd send you. He was definitely eyeball blasted,
Speaker 2: and he was shot with the ballistics earlier, so he's
Speaker 2: been through it at this point. But now his new
Speaker 2: goal is to just maybe not die, maybe ever. And
Speaker 2: I think it's understandable given what he suffered.
Speaker 3: Oh but hey, remember that voice that came in with
Speaker 3: narration at the beginning about the cupboards of recorded time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, comes back at the end. So as there's
Speaker 3: like a sunset or not sunset, it's the sunrise. I
Speaker 3: guess everything's going okay now, And the voice comes in
Speaker 3: that says, the struggle within our souls is never ending.
Speaker 3: The life of man short and brutal, torn between good
Speaker 3: and evil. Of the eternity around us, we know nothing.
Speaker 3: The stars look on They have been here long before
Speaker 3: man appeared on our small planet, and they will be
Speaker 3: here after we are no more. The end beautiful. What
Speaker 3: what does that have to do with it?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a message that we learn too late,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Now it really does feel like the
Speaker 2: opening narration and the closing narration were perhaps one narration
Speaker 2: bit and They were like, should we put this at
Speaker 2: the beginning or should we put at the end, And
Speaker 2: they're like, no, let's split it up.
Speaker 3: Split the difference. Yeah, he learned only too late that
Speaker 3: eel is a biting creature.
Speaker 2: I guess the message is beware the south Sea Queen. Really,
Speaker 2: that's it just seems like a warning. I don't. I
Speaker 2: think that's the main main error in anyone's ways here
Speaker 2: is don't tangle with the south Sea Queen.
Speaker 3: I think that is it. Yes, if you know there,
Speaker 3: if you know of an evil deep sea sex goddess somewhere,
Speaker 3: you should you should not go to her palace.
Speaker 2: That's right. Even if you yourself are very confident. Think
Speaker 2: about your great grandchildren. Yeah, think about the legacy of
Speaker 2: your poor decisions. Beautiful though she may be.
Speaker 3: Well, that was Lady Terminator again. I think one of
Speaker 3: the wildest and funniest movies we have watched for this show.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's like both of these films. Not for everyone,
Speaker 2: but if it's for you, boy, it's a treat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna need to be comfortable with a good
Speaker 3: bit of sex and violence. But it doesn't get much
Speaker 3: more absurd than this.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go ahead and close out this
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