WEBVTT - A Reasonably Shady Recap! 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.360 Welcome to Reasonably Sadie, a production of The Black Effect 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:24.680 Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Making Money Moves featuring 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:32.400 Earnier Leisure February. Robin and I are entrepreneurs, and you know, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.160 we always want to encourage especially black women, to get 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.159 out there and invest in yourself and and definitely like 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.640 strive for your dreams. But you need money to do that. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.440 So what is the best way to like raise capital 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.320 for your business, especially if you're a startup you know 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.279 you're new to just this entrepreneuri game. I mean, there's 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.000 a few different ways you can't go about raising capital. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.680 You can, you know, raise capital from friends and family. Um, 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.840 you can you know, leverage your credit. You can take 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.920 loans from your fall o one K. Everybody's situation is different. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.880 What we did personally was we just started a business 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.560 that had low um startup costs, which is a podcast. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.400 Doesn't mat take a lot of money to start a podcast, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.319 and we used our personal money. UM. You know, I 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.560 wish I could have had more of an elaborate story 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.640 to tell, but it really wasn't. Um. We just we 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.200 staved up. We have money that we have from you know, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:30.319 working our respective careers, and we were still working while 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.720 we were being entrepreneur. That's nothing to people. You don't 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.840 necessarily have to do one or the other, Like you know, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.280 you can actually still do both at the same time. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.360 If you have a nine of five job, you can 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.240 keep that note a five job and still be an 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.600 entrepreneur when you get home. And then eventually as your 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.040 business takes off and now it's time to leave your 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.520 nine the five, then you know it's time to leave. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.240 But in the meantime, use the money from your note 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.400 a five job or whatever kind of job you have 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.920 to help fund your business. So like your job is 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.080 really is the investor is the angel investing in business 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.160 in that in that situation. Other than that, I mean, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:06.800 of course, you can try to get bank financing. That's 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.640 gonna be extremely difficult, almost impossible, especially if you're just 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.520 starting out, your black entrepreneur. It's gonna be extremely difficult 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.320 to get money from a bank. So, like I said, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.000 I mean, most of the time for entrepreneurs, if you're 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.000 just starting now, you're gonna have to either use your 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.400 own personal money, which is money that you saved up 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.720 um or you know, money from like retirement accounts, money 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.280 from friends and family, you can, you know, take money 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.840 from your house. I'm gonna have to stop you. I'm 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.640 gonna to stop you right there. The friends and family, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.760 that's like sure far away to cause a ruckets at 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.959 Thanksgiving Like no, okay, there's no no friends and family. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.480 But definitely I believe in investing in yourself, saving money 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.400 and because there's there's nobody that's gonna support you or 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.279 like root for you more than yourself. Right, so I'm 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.280 definitely down with that. Friends and family, I say, no, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:53.799 I'm sorry, it depends. I mean, if someone comes to me, 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.800 I would say more family than friends. If they come 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.520 to me they have a solid plan, then I'm not. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.079 I'm I don't. I'm not going to shy away from 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.040 helping them out if I really believe in it, if 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.280 I see if they have a plan, if you know, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.280 but not someone just says I'm struggling. Can I get 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.480 some money? Like no, I want to know if how 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.919 is this money going to put you in a better 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.320 place permanently, Like I don't want to just give you 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.160 money just to pay your bill and that's it now, Okay, 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.000 do you all loan money? That's a good question. Do 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:22.360 you all loan money? To people because I have a 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.160 firm stance because I didn't get burnt a couple of times. Yeah, no, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.200 I ain't loaning nothing so loan would would would imply 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.880 that the money is gonna be paid back? Right, Yes, 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.880 but we all know it's not. Okay, I mean I haven't. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.240 I haven't um with the intent of expecting it to 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.000 come back. But I have um given money with the 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.120 intent of helping out a situation. Okay, I like that. Okay, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.440 now I'm gonna let you get back to the well wait, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:55.800 well now that right, so wait, now we're going to 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.600 get back to the metaverse. And I but now that 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.360 you talked about business, I want to piggyback on that conversation. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.120 I hear from a lot of people who, you know, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.320 they they're working at nine to five and they really 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.040 want to be entrepreneurs. They really want to create multiple 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.200 streams of income and they don't know where to start. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.040 And you know, my advice to them is, Okay, what 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.880 are you interested in? What can you, you know, find 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.160 to monetize something that you're interested in. But for people 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.359 who really don't think they have some sort of tangible 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:29.919 item to sell, what avenue would you say for like 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.279 people should look into too, maybe become entrepreneurs, Like I 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.200 know there's so many things, like especially with the vending machines, 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.080 like how like how is that that going for you guys? 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.719 I'll just start with with education because I've had this 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.880 conversation with a none of my colleagues who don't think 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.720 they could be entrepreneurs, And I'm like, the first thing 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.640 you have to do is what's your purpose? Right? And 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.280 that thing was like to help people. I'm like, well, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.080 you have a skill set that somebody else doesn't have. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:54.800 You have a skill set that I don't have. Ill 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.400 use a young lady for example, she her son uh 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.960 is hearing them period and he's advocated for him for 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.560 the past three years, and I told him like, look, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.760 your level of advocacy everybody doesn't know how to do that. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.120 You should probably write a book on this, right, And 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.800 her mind was like, wait, I can't do that, And 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.680 I'm like, yeah, you could, Like you're fighting for this 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.560 every single day. So the first thing I would say 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.719 is look right in front of you. You're you probably 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.800 possess a skill and a purpose that the other person doesn't. Write. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.800 Another one of my colleagues, she was like, I don't know, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.880 I need to create more income. I'm like, well, you're 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.640 a great teacher, why don't you create a tutoring service? Right, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.039 you can do that after school. Like, that's not gonna 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.160 coast you anything. And you're doing what you naturally do. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.320 You're you're great at you're a teacher. So the problem 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.960 is that people will use like hey, I don't have 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.040 the time for it, when I'm like, well, either you're 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.039 gonna dedicate the time to doing that or you're gonna 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.320 dedicate the next twenty five years to doing this. Right, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.960 you drop a knowledge, you drop knowledge over there. It's 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.000 just what you you have to choose, right. But everybody, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.440 I believe that everybody has a purpose. They just haven't 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.840 tapped into it, right or they're overlooking it. A lot 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.880 of times, it's like it's right in front of you. Right. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.440 So like people ask me now, like hey, Troy, how's 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.240 it feel not to teach anyone? And I'm like, well, 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.440 I'm teaching every day. You still teach you. Yeah, you're 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.839 teaching big time. Yeah, I didn't learn about four things today. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:15.800 I can't learn about four things you can talk about right, right? No, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.599 but you are teaching a lot because, like I said, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.560 I learned about I Um, you know, I learned about 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.919 stocks from you guys. I also learned about things to 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.480 do for my children. One of which, um, I believe 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.920 I learned from you guys was, you know, make them 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.839 your employee. I have a business. So now I've set 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.640 both of my kids up as employees. I pay them, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.599 you know, just under the threshold so that they're not taxed. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:39.640 And you know, it's a tax start off for me. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.520 They're building, you know, they're they're they're building a little 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.480 nest egg. Um. What I know a lot of people 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.360 want to create generational wealth for their kids. They want 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.919 to set their kids up for success. So what is 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.680 the best advice that you can give to parents to 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:02.960 help them, Um, set their kids it's up for financial success. Um, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.960 just start early, start early. Opening an investment account for them. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.960 You can open up a UTMA and that's like a 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.239 a brokerage account and investment account, but for kids. And 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.320 unte what's that called again? An art month? U t 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:22.240 ut M A U t M. Do you all have kids? Yeah? 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.000 I have, I have a son, okay U t M 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.960 A Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead, So, UM, that's an 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.120 investment account that you are like pretty much the owner 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:32.760 that you stole here and you can put money in. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.120 You can invest in Apple, you can invest in E, T, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.400 F and H. They don't gain access to that until 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.240 they turn eighteen to the to the an adult, but 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.080 you know that allows money to grow into an account. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.120 So that's that's one real easy way that you can 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.480 do it. You can do any online account like t 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.520 D and marriage Trade. You can do MARRIW Lynch, any 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.760 any like online brokerage account. You can go in there, 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.160 take a couple of minutes into the information, and then 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.520 you have the account. You can start investing money in UM. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.880 You can have a five and plan which that allows 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.520 you to put money away for the education. So that's 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.560 the way that you know, parents want to save for college, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.920 or you want to save for prep school or whatever, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.200 not just higher education, any form of education you can 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.920 UM saving. The good thing with the plans is that 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.640 the money is tax free as long as you're using 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.680 for education, and depending on what states you live in, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.600 if you invest in the States file twenty nine planning, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.000 you get a state tax deduction for the amount of 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.000 money that you put in, So that's beneficial as well, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.239 so those are two easy ways where you can actually 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.480 go about to start to build some some assets, some 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.720 wealth for your for your your child down the line. Yeah, 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.800 I think what you're doing now is great, right, like 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.839 paying them as employees of your business. Right if you 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.240 if your child is seven years old, can you imagine 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.040 if you paid them ten thousand dollars a year to 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:49.560 their sevent team, right, you're talking about you, they're already 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.719 six figures by the time eight team. And if you 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.800 invest in a CAU studio account. That's why we we'd 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:55.640 like to talk about starting early, right, So right now 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.280 our kids are playing roadblocks and then using their iPads 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:00.880 and so these are company is that way invested in 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.600 and put it inside their studio accounts. Now, when we 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.360 talk about whole long term, that's not even enough vision 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.959 and like long term, like I'm seventeen, they're still young, right, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.200 but that's ten years of equity that they've grown inside 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.160 those companies. And so that's another way. Just look at 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.400 what they're doing now right where they're invest in their time. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.320 And because kids will tell you what's trending and what's hot, right, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.160 they'll let you know that's so true. But you know what. So, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.520 so my father had an UPMA for me, and of 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.480 course once I turned like eighteen and I was had 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:34.280 access to it, I blew right through it. So good. Yeah, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.760 so so so the hard part is, yeah, we're gonna 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.800 say for our kids, but we also have to teach 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.520 them and create discipline for them so that they don't 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.400 blow through that money and so that they you know, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.120 maybe continue to invest it. But that definitely happened to me. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.320 Like me and my brother, we blew through our So 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.839 this is what not to do. But that's why we 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.120 we we And I've been saying this recently. It was 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.760 like we the term generational wealth is cool, but generation 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.800 generation that could be blown not to saying that that's 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.880 what happened to you, but the term really should be 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.680 sustainable wealth, right, so as they're growing and how do 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.640 they sustain it so that they can't mess this up? Right, Like, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.199 there's no way we're gonna put the if this was bowling, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.880 we're putting the bumpers up so that we we we've 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.480 generated the wealth right this generation, and we're gonna teach 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.360 them how to sustain it so that their kids and 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.840 their grandkids will always have this wealth right, because if 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.560 we teach generation, there's no way. I gave the example. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.680 My dad worked for forty two years. My son is 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.040 eight years old. Since he's been alive, he's only seen 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.640 my dad's on the couch. He's never seen the hard 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.200 work that he had to put in. He's never seen 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.160 those things. And so like, yeah, I can teach you, 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.720 and you can watch me, but the more important thing 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:52.600 is how to sustain this long term Kicking it with 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:59.079 the King featuring Carlos King July. So let's get to 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.679 the list really quickly, because I had some questions about 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.440 this list. Now. I was happy that that I made 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.040 it on the list. I was honored because Carlos King 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:11.000 does not give out accolades easily at all. Okay, we 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:15.760 know that. So Kyle Richards was not on the list, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.880 right and that was confusing to me because I feel 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.040 like she's held Beverly Hills together for fourteen seasons or 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.640 have a long naybe, I would agree with you. So 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.120 then why wasn't she on the list? She was not 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.720 on my top ten list right now, when I do 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:41.319 my top twenty, Kyle would be numbered eleven. I'm done. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:48.439 I would be between the love and okay, okay, but 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.520 but I guess the big the bigger question, Carlos is 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.600 you had Danielle stop on the list. No shade to Danielle, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.200 but Danielle was a housewife for well how many seasons 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:03.719 at one point too just and for two Whereas it's like, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.400 if I feel like skin in the game speaks volumes, right, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.840 Kyle has skinning the game like no other and and 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.680 every season she has a solid season and she keeps 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.640 that show going. So like, how would how would she 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:23.080 be over how would you overlook her to a Daniel style? Easily? 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:28.199 Name me one iconic thing that Kyle has done, Mauricio. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:38.000 The splits, Carlos, That's what we got. Let's split exactly. No. Look, 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:43.360 I am a huge Kyle Richard's fan. I think she's 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:50.920 a great reality star, Kyle Richard's competing against the top ten. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.560 She doesn't hold a candle to a Daniel style because 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.079 at the end of the day, and I said this 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.360 and and and quote me again, without Dan and Gel 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.839 nothing would have happened in New Jersey housewise, and I 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.839 was there the first two seasons and can say that 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.360 without Danielle the show would be boring and no disrespect 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.120 of Potomic Ladies, but we can also look at a 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.520 show like Potomac and say, without certain people, what would 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:22.160 be happening. So, because Danielle was on her own and 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:28.400 Teresa at that time was very safe and sweet, Teresa's 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:33.760 table flip is courtesy of Danielle, so o Kyle. Although 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.840 Kyle is good at stirring the pot and listen, I 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:49.680 think Kyl is great, But when it comes to nine Bethany, Ramona, Teresa, Danielle, Giselle, Sara, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:57.880 Kim Zosiac, Kyle, Kyle is an iconic, but she definitely 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.559 is a formidable player. Okay. So I heard a rumor 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.920 that that because you worked on Jersey the year at 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.439 the table got flipped, right, Yes, so she didn't really 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.280 flip the table. That was you under the table flipping 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.400 it for her. I heard a rumor that that was 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.439 Carlos under the table, and Teresa took all the credit 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:23.280 for Carlos flipping that table. So I was under the table, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.760 handy dang yelled the book that she placed on the table, 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.440 and then you and then you flipped it, and then 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.320 you flipped because you said it's gonna be good. I 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.240 wish I was that. I wish I was a little 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.200 bright genius then, but I was. That was that your 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.600 first housewife show you worked on before? It was that 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:44.160 before Atlanta? That was after Atlanta? So what's funny? And 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.200 I did Atlanta season one, and and I had a 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.040 break for like two weeks, and then I got a 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.960 phone call about this housewife in New Jersey and I 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.640 decided to do New Jersey. Okay, but you weren't. You 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.880 weren't EP on New Jersey, were you? No? No, no, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:05.600 I was in a books underneath the table rabbit. You're 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.840 a field producer. Okay, Oh, let's be clear. Act on 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.080 Atlanta Girls. When I was at EP, honey, I still 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.600 was on my knees doing something to make sure the 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.480 scene was great. So, so where did you start in 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.040 in your producing career? Like how did you get started? Yeah? 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:26.160 So I went to college and I majored in journalism. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.360 Because of that, I was afforded these internships. So I 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.160 interned at the View. I entered that MTV. My last 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.560 internship was at BT. A year later, I got a 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.000 job as a p A working on one or six 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.560 and Park and other shows. And then two years after that, 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.680 I got a phone call from a mutual friend who said, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.720 I have this opportunity in Atlanta to do this reality 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.160 show called Ladies of Hotlanta. You love reality TV? Would 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.800 you be interested? And I was like, child, let me think. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.640 And because I was like you, I gonna leave New 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.480 York City and go to Atlanta. But I said, you 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.640 know what, I'm a man of faith. Let me do it. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.160 And it was the best decision of my career because 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.280 the rest is history. Okay, So you didn't start you 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.160 were an EP on season one Atlanta. No, No, I 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.280 wasn't a p until season six of Atlanta, which is 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.640 the highest rated season. And we know because a NIMI 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.760 called Peter a bit. Now I have a question, so, um, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.840 because we spoke of you and people that have worked 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.880 producers on Potomac who have been very influential in helping 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.320 us get to where we are. Um, However, give me 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.600 an honest answer, Carlos, do you feel like do you 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.400 feel like because you are a man okay and and 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.160 you're a man helping women tell their story, do you 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.640 feel like you can do it better than a woman 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.320 helping women tell their story? Is there is there disconnot 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.720 a disconnect, but you know when women. We know what 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.960 we go through, we feel it. Yeah, so I'm what 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.080 are your thoughts. Yeah, that's a that's a very great question. No, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.560 I don't think I have a um an edge over 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.840 a woman who's also producer. Um. I think a woman 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:17.040 who's producing a show that's dominated by women, she has 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.760 to be confident in order to be honest with the 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.119 women and not be intimidated by the woman. And I 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.760 think the reality star who's a woman has to be 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.720 able to feel comfortable sharing your personal business because let's 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.399 just let's just be real. Historically, women don't like to 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.880 tell other women the business period. They just because it's 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.680 one of the things where it's like, girl, I don't 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.400 know you want my man, I don't know you want 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.760 my life. I don't know if there's some single black 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.959 or white female situation. So it takes a minute. So 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:54.240 when you come to a talented man, Gail straight, there's 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.280 a guard that's led down, right because it's like, well, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.399 you can't take my man, and if you do, and 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.480 if you can, a whole another issue, right um um. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.440 And I'm able to at least give you more more 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.240 of me because my guard is now. So I don't 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.200 think that, Um, we do a better job in women, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.240 not at all. I think women can do a great job. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.199 And what's funny is be let's talk to Giselle. I 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:24.359 remember talking to you your first season. I remember you 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.720 had a female Shaw runner and she called me and 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.240 you guys were in the middle of getting a scene together, 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.359 and Giselle said, oh, Carlos, I thought you were gone 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.879 are for this third And I was like, why did 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.560 that come from? That's so funny, I ask you that. Well, I, well, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.120 I knew that we had the same production company. People 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.800 don't know this, but we have the same production company 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:55.280 as Atlanta Potoma does, and you were of producers. You're 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.119 the only person that we know their name, right, So 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.160 I just assume that they would in Atlanta was great. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:04.520 So I just assumed it they would take whoever they 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.680 were using in Atlanta and give them to us so 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.200 that we could be great. Um. Now I can say 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.359 that the person that you were talking to, she was 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.320 great for us. She gave us the tools. Yeah, she 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.040 gave us the tools that we needed season one, season two. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.320 I can, Carlos, and be honest, I can still hear 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.840 her in my brain. Um, she has this saying called 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.919 fix your face. And there's so many times where like 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:26.920 I'm in a scene and that this face is jacked 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.239 all the way up, but I need to fix it. 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.040 And it's not anything that has to it's not anything 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.560 that has to do with the cast. It's what's going 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.640 on in producing like that. You know, sometimes the producing 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.320 of it all could be problematic, and you know, we 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.879 get upset about it, but but she gave us wonderful 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:48.760 tools to get us to a season. No season, Well 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.399 are we supposed to say that? Okay, fine, we just 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:57.480 did season show. I want to talk about now. I 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.240 want to talk about you because Carlos, we know we 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.000 might have been in Miami, and Carlos heard we was 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.080 in Miami. And when I say, we me Robin and 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.960 some other ladies, and Carlos said, let me go meet 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.480 the lady days that sound Mike face to face up 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.360 closer and personal. And I totally loved it. Was so 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.280 happy that you did that. I'm sure you're you know, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.120 you're a really busy guy and you took time out 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.560 to come and meet us and just keep key. I mean, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.560 we had a good old KEI Kiva Carlos, Yes, no, 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.880 and and listen and I'll say this and I don't care. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.080 He gets mad. I am a black man in this 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.760 business producing reality TV, and I'm such a fan of 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.600 reality And one thing about me is I support all 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.880 of my black females and males in this genre because 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.159 I know how hard it is to be great in 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.919 front of the camera being judged by the world. So 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.320 Number one, I want to make it very clear, I 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:01.000 am a fan. Number one, I thank you. I watched 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.560 Potomac and I get my entire life. So when I 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.800 was told that you ladies were well, that you two 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.040 and some other folks were in Miami, I you know, 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.879 I didn't tell you all this. I canceled two meetings 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:19.200 and I said, and I said, I have to meet them. 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.960 I'm a fan, just like meeting Beyonce. Oh my gosh. 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.879 I was like, wait, I said, but Carlos, this is 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.080 what you don't know. So after you laughing everything, um, 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.160 Karen comes up to me and she says, at Giselle, 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.080 did you did you get to meet the Carlos? Did 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.880 you did you meet Carlos? I said, yes, bitch, before you, Yes, 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.879 I met Carlos. Okay, he came and saw me first, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.080 and look and look. Some other people were like, Carlos 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:50.840 was here. I didn't see Carlos. Yeah, that's probably abolist. 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:58.160 I don't know. I mean, listen, I love I love 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.280