WEBVTT - What Lies Beneath Wisteria Lane (S1 E2 "Ah, But Underneath")

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives.

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<v Speaker 2>Rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea Bowen, and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we're bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the craziest thing happened to me on my way

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<v Speaker 2>over here. I wonder if this ever happens to you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it says so much about people. So

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<v Speaker 2>I get on the freeway. When I get on the freeway,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to do that thing where you have to

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<v Speaker 2>get over four lanes to the left, like in less

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<v Speaker 2>than half a mile, because your your exit's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be over there. So you have your blinker on, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people let you usually don't, so this don't

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<v Speaker 2>let you in. So this one woman like it's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the thing that bothers me. This is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's back far enough that like she could have

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<v Speaker 2>let me, you know, like, and I've got my blinker on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like great, but she purposefully accelerates to not

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<v Speaker 2>let me in. And you know, she was driving an

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<v Speaker 2>Audi e Tron. And then I talked to myself in

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<v Speaker 2>the car for like five minutes. I talked to her,

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<v Speaker 2>and I talked to myself and I say, like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel good about yourself because you didn't let me in?

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<v Speaker 2>You and your e tron? Did you feel so good?

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<v Speaker 2>And your fancy Audi e tron? You just you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>let me in and you got you didn't let me in.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just made me think like about people deeply

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<v Speaker 2>and and like how these little things represent who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess the reason I'm telling you that is

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<v Speaker 2>because this we're talking about the second episode of Desperate

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<v Speaker 2>Housewives today and which is called Knee, which is a it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a stupid song time lyric.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the show Follies. It aired on October tenth, two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys did follies in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually did falsettos.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you did?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeahkay yeah close.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were saying that Mark Cherry was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>some time. He was as all good people are, totally

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<v Speaker 1>as am I.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, this, my whole etron Audi cutter off or

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<v Speaker 2>not nice driver person made me think about sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the one of one of the themes I thought of

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is I think it's a bree line. How

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<v Speaker 2>much do we really know about our neighbors and how

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<v Speaker 2>much do we want to know? But how how do

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<v Speaker 2>we how much do we know our neighbors? And I

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<v Speaker 2>actually had a very interesting Los Angeles experience happened in

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<v Speaker 2>my neighborhood over COVID. So I've lived in the same

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<v Speaker 2>house for over twenty years and I have never known

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<v Speaker 2>any of my neighbors. The only time any neighbors spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to each other, this was many, many, many years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>George Clooney used to live up the top of my

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<v Speaker 2>dead end street.

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<v Speaker 3>What a shame he didn't know him.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is different podcast. Okay, we'll get we'll get there. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So in my driveway, my driveway up the hill was

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<v Speaker 2>the last driveway you could get close that the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Service would let you get to George clues house because

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<v Speaker 2>he was having a big fundraiser for Obama. So all

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<v Speaker 2>the neighbors, we all of course wanted to see Obama

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<v Speaker 2>drive by in the motorcade, but you couldn't stand in

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<v Speaker 2>the street because the Secret Service wouldn't let you. Had

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<v Speaker 2>to be in a driveway, you couldn't be in the street.

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<v Speaker 2>So my driveway, all these neighbors who I didn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody knew each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this. Yeah, I know what you're gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Stood in the driveway together at midnight, waiting in the

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<v Speaker 2>cold for the motorcade to come drive by for a

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<v Speaker 2>millisecond to feel like we waved to Obama as do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember this?

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<v Speaker 1>I totally remember this. Now, she's a super wide driveway.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been over to the house, and yeah, all the

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors were camped out.

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<v Speaker 2>There anyway, so I never knew anybody. And then COVID happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we were out much more, walking our dogs walking.

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<v Speaker 2>All everybody did was bake sourdough and walk, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I started to meet people walking, and we started to realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a manager and you work at Fox, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>a producer and and oh yeah, wait either are you anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So we started a neighborhood. We call ourselves the names.

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<v Speaker 2>We started a neighborhood like dinner supper club. And so

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<v Speaker 2>now I know, and I mean I know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>could call them for help with my parents. I could

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<v Speaker 2>call them if the WIFEI goes out, if the electricity

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<v Speaker 2>goes out, whatever. I probably know at least six households

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<v Speaker 2>on my block, and it is the most comforting, wonderful feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you guys know your neighbors? Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>your neighbors? Do you like your neighbors?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, you know. I love just witnessing from afar

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship you've developed with your neighbors, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It makes me feel as your daughter

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<v Speaker 1>reassured that there's this.

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<v Speaker 2>You're dead desperately, the next single alone mother isn't quite

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<v Speaker 2>so sad.

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<v Speaker 3>She's got back up.

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<v Speaker 1>Not what I was gonna say, no, but that there's

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<v Speaker 1>this larger community, because I think that's what we all

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<v Speaker 1>aspire to in some respect. And I know in my building,

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<v Speaker 1>I live downtown and in our building, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>loft units. But also during COVID, I started getting closer

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<v Speaker 1>to my neighbor who I share a wall with on

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<v Speaker 1>one side. And then now actually we have like six

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors and we're all part of the neighborhood package rescue

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<v Speaker 1>because we live downtown and sometimes when packages get delivered,

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<v Speaker 1>they get stolen. And so now if someone's out of town,

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<v Speaker 1>or even if you're at work, or if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>like not away and another person in the package rescue

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<v Speaker 1>sees your package outside of your door. They'll take it

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<v Speaker 1>into their house and then text in our group text

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<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, I have your It is nice. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you're like waiting for the package and they take it

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<v Speaker 1>in they candish on and then have to wait a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days because then they you can't get it

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<v Speaker 1>back from them. But it makes me feel It makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel very reassured. And then my neighbors on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side seem so cool and I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>get to know them. But this is where I'm being

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<v Speaker 1>a nosy neighbor because our bedroom share a wall, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hear them fighting sometimes. And then I also heard

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<v Speaker 1>them having sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we were going to say me too, I did too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I also heard I heard. Well. See, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I know everything about their relationship. They started off

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<v Speaker 1>having sex, now they're fighting, Now they've gotten a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't seem like anyone's around with the dog at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're still together, so I hope it works out

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<v Speaker 1>for them and me.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see, Well, we my husband Josh, and I moved

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of the year, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting to know our neighbors. But actually one of

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<v Speaker 3>our neighbors did a very neighborly thing. When we moved

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<v Speaker 3>in and he came by and he introduced himself, and

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<v Speaker 3>he happened to mention that he was a contractor as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and he also told us. He asked us at the time, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>do you guys have a kid? And we didn't at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, you know, And and he said, our neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 3>like the best for trick or trading, which made me

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<v Speaker 3>think of you. And when we when I went trick

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<v Speaker 3>or trading with you guys growing up, Terry always gave

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<v Speaker 3>up full sized candy bars. Anyway, and uh, anyway, he

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<v Speaker 3>gave us this his card, and we struck up this

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<v Speaker 3>nice relationship. And now he has been helping us at

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<v Speaker 3>our house, doing work at the house and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's phenomenal and uh and he gave he was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the first people to give us a gift when

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<v Speaker 3>we found out that we were expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nicee.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe COVID made people become better neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope we're getting a return.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm scared of each other, but also better neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we were afraid of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if one of them was you know, bearing

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in the pool or having affair with their gardener.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, you wouldn't know them. How well do we

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<v Speaker 3>really know him? Yeah? Did you say I got chills

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<v Speaker 3>hearing that line? Yeah, because I do remember obviously that

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<v Speaker 3>was yeah. Yeah, but the power of the power of

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<v Speaker 3>that line, because that's what so many people sort of

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<v Speaker 3>latched onto about the show, right, Like that was relatable

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<v Speaker 3>for people. It was it's this thing, we have this

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<v Speaker 3>fascination with who do we live right next to? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're right there, and yet what what do we know about?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? And it's just it was succinct and it

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<v Speaker 3>was powerful and I got full body chills.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, So should we start at the top, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean well, I had a question just before we

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<v Speaker 1>even dive into what happened in this episode. Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 1>long for the two of you, Andrew and my mom and.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom's mom and also.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry and also Terry Erry, missus pat how long was

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<v Speaker 1>it in between when you filmed the pilot and when

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<v Speaker 1>you filmed the second episode? Because I feel like some

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<v Speaker 1>people don't know how that always works. You didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to get a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Episode six inches for me? Wait what I The reason

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<v Speaker 3>I say that is because I remember Mark Cherry telling

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<v Speaker 3>me don't grow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was weird, like R.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I didn't even catch that, okay, So anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to get our minds out of the gun.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Yeah, he said don't grow and uh, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know I didn't. I couldn't, right, I didn't follow

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<v Speaker 3>that order.

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<v Speaker 2>What I recall and usually how pilot season at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>This again, things have changed in Hollywood at the time

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<v Speaker 2>we shot the pilot, probably around March April ish of

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four. They probably made the decision to

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<v Speaker 2>put it on the air. They probably told us that

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<v Speaker 2>around mid to the end of May. That was I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you and I went to Hawaii as a

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<v Speaker 2>celebratory vacation for finding out that that that the show

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<v Speaker 2>got picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this. Yeah, this is before I was into

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<v Speaker 1>the beach. All I wanted to do was play old

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<v Speaker 1>maid and sit on a towel.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you remember I got you that that woman

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<v Speaker 2>helped you oil paint and you paint and that's still

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<v Speaker 2>about all that that. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, so yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>did do that, and then I don't. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>probably started to shoot the full it was twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>episodes or something, probably at the end of July or

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of August.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that sounds about.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And that's just based on what the usual pattern is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not so it was that much time. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you notice, things did change, like the billing changed bycocked.

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<v Speaker 3>The billing changes also just because well one, I was

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<v Speaker 3>very attached to my initial placement, well it stayed. It

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<v Speaker 3>stayed for a while. I popped out of the sardine

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<v Speaker 3>can my little name. And I really like that. Such

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<v Speaker 3>good opening credits it really, I know, I really want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about the artwork of the opening credits and

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<v Speaker 3>just like how that to be. Well, I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating because you know, it's so unique, right, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who came up with it. I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to know who came up with it. By depicting

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<v Speaker 3>wives throughout history, starting with and Eve and then showcasing

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<v Speaker 3>wives experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And one that is yes, so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you know that it's so so smart and

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<v Speaker 3>so interesting, and you know, I mean it became iconic.

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<v Speaker 3>I think by having all of that artworks start the

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<v Speaker 3>show together.

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<v Speaker 2>But but you know, I touched on that in our

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<v Speaker 2>last podcast episode, that that this history of the housewife,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, going back to that and what what has

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<v Speaker 2>been expected of a housewife throughout the centuries, and and really,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't. I don't think this is good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I find myself. I mean, I'm a single woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always made the money. I've never had a man

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<v Speaker 2>take care of me, even though I have been married twice.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it twice? Yeah, I think I'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Think for like six months, yes, nineteen okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a loose Let those loose.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not exactly because it's like one yeah. Anyway, But

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<v Speaker 2>I still think that today. I still think today, even

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<v Speaker 2>with all the advancements, I still feel like women are

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<v Speaker 2>working and paying bills and also doing the laundry and

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<v Speaker 2>also the grocery shopping, and also doing the homework, and

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<v Speaker 2>also being on the pta and also trying to look

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<v Speaker 2>good in their genes and all like it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you really exemplified this shooting Desperate Housewives

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<v Speaker 1>because you were filming insane hours and with fifty to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty custody, you know, I was with my dad fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the time, but when I was with you,

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<v Speaker 1>you really stacked your filming days so you could be

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<v Speaker 1>as present as possible with me. And you were still

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<v Speaker 1>making like gingerbread carousels and party favors for every kid

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<v Speaker 1>in my class's birthday, and then driving me to school,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe you couldn't pick me up from school, but

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<v Speaker 1>you were ready to meet me at your I would

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<v Speaker 1>come at you on set, or we would meet at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just it was really spectacular to watch

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<v Speaker 1>how you made an extraordinary job that had such taxing

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<v Speaker 1>physical requirements and time requirements really feel like you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to an office and then you were coming home

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<v Speaker 1>and your first priority was still being a mom.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's thanks, Honny.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you were exemplifying this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Were my first priority, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you were I'm right in this, right. You

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<v Speaker 3>were the only one out of the out of the cast,

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<v Speaker 3>out of the main cast, that was a single mom, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>The only one that was a single mom. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, well we'll get there. Well, I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't get there. We don't have to have beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>embas It was and it's it is something worth talking

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<v Speaker 2>about in the future. And I think women who are

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<v Speaker 2>single moms, but also I think if if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>like I would have enjoyed having a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>empathy for for how difficult of a role that is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think there's something to be said for

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<v Speaker 2>looking at what divorce custody is like, only only in

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<v Speaker 2>that you know the pressure that it puts on the

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<v Speaker 2>time that you are with your child, because you know

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<v Speaker 2>that there's other times that you will not be with

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<v Speaker 2>your child. And I remember I had this. I used

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<v Speaker 2>to always think like, well, I'll never see her on

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<v Speaker 2>a Tuesday. And it was a weird yeah, kind of heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was a weird, but but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I only say it as an example to I like

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<v Speaker 2>using this show as a way to continue to invite

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<v Speaker 2>us all to be more empathetic with each other's lives,

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<v Speaker 2>because you just never, like, you don't know what your

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor is doing, you don't know what people are thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know what they're going through, and it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>not what you think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So so back to this episode, So, oh well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean exactly kind of what you're saying in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>what we can see what we can't see. I was

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<v Speaker 1>so struck by the very opening image. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>hear Mary Alice's voiceover and she's talking about what death

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<v Speaker 1>allows us to see or not see. And I really

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, I mean, and it would be interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>ask if this was intended, and I feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>was given the son Time lyrics, you know, Mark Cherry

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<v Speaker 1>being such a fan of theater. To me, I immediately

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<v Speaker 1>thought about Our Town and Emily's monologue. Now to be

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<v Speaker 1>such a nerd right now, but Emily's monologue in Our Town, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when she has died and she gets to go back

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<v Speaker 1>for a day in her life, and she says, look

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<v Speaker 1>at everything that they're not seeing, you know, but all

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<v Speaker 1>these moments of life, and this idea that when you

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<v Speaker 1>die at least that's being explored right now in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>that you could potentially have this expanded vision, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing into multiple lives and seeing you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually interested, what what do you all think happens

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<v Speaker 1>when we die? You know? On this idea, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a really interesting ayahuasca experience.

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<v Speaker 1>That she's done it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've done it. I mean, I only did it

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<v Speaker 2>I only did it once, and it was like six

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. And again, I mean, they're good stories, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't want to. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>completely derail us. But you did ask this is why.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not particularly religious. I mean, I I don't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily believe in that God the way organized religion does.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I had this ayahuasca experience, I felt that

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<v Speaker 2>I went to some place that I had been before,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was like a welcome back, like a homecoming,

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<v Speaker 2>Like yes, okay, there was definitely a feeling that I

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<v Speaker 2>was coming home like a welcome back. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>it was very perfect energetic. It wasn't at all like

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<v Speaker 2>technical people or anything. It was light, light and energy

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<v Speaker 2>and felt almost mathematical or or just perfectly physics engineered,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, flawless kind of and and so I was

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<v Speaker 2>there and I remember thinking, wow, I really want to

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<v Speaker 2>look around at this whole place, but I thought i'd

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<v Speaker 2>throw up, so like I probably in real time, like

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<v Speaker 2>I probably was sitting for like an hour, and I

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<v Speaker 2>probably moved my head like like an inch to the left,

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<v Speaker 2>but to me, it felt like, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, yes, I was okay, Anyway, the

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<v Speaker 2>feeling that I the message that I got was that

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<v Speaker 2>you do go back to this before space, like that

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<v Speaker 2>being alive, being a human is a miracle. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's like winning the lottery. You get to taste, you

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<v Speaker 2>get to smell, you get to love, you get to touch,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to hear all the things that your energy

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<v Speaker 2>can't do. But it's also really hard because we're taking

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of flawless, flowing energy and we're cramming it

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<v Speaker 2>into our bodies and brains, and so it doesn't like perfect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't work perfectly, and that's why we all

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<v Speaker 2>struggle so much. But but you your gift is that you

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<v Speaker 2>can do whatever you want with your life. This was

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<v Speaker 2>the message I got. This was my takeaway. So you

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<v Speaker 2>choose to be who you want to be in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>That that was my afterlife.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think that's pretty that's pretty beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked it, which is why I haven't done Iaquatska again,

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<v Speaker 2>because I like, that's for what do you go that

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<v Speaker 2>that's my final answer?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good that's a good answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, I think I'm still shaping

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<v Speaker 3>mine I'm still formulating it. It changes, It's evolved a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, I would say, I am. I am a

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<v Speaker 3>literal kind of person, you know, in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that I'm not a dreamer, not that I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I I but I do think that the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of of after life is always hard, right, when

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<v Speaker 3>you want proof of something, it's the thing, right, It's

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<v Speaker 3>like you just have to have this trust or you

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<v Speaker 3>have to let your brain fill in what it could

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<v Speaker 3>be and and and not grip it too closely. But

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe in in you know, energy not dying, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and like energy doesn't stop. And so I feel connected

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<v Speaker 3>a sense of connection to things that have since passed

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<v Speaker 3>in my life that I still feel a presence of.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't quite know in what form that takes,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I believe in that, and I believe

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<v Speaker 3>in being open to that and welcoming that in. And

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<v Speaker 3>I did think it was oh, no, no good. I

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<v Speaker 3>just I thought it was beautiful that this episode started

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<v Speaker 3>with her sort of kind of wistfully saying like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gone, and I want them to see I want

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<v Speaker 3>them to have the benefit of my perspective and makes

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<v Speaker 3>sac Yeah, my sight. I want them to see what

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<v Speaker 3>I can see. You know, I thought that was really.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, just can we go back to Brenda Strong and

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<v Speaker 2>just I mean, the voice of my is just flawless.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that you know that she wasn't at the

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<v Speaker 2>initial one cast? Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait? No, tell us this fun facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she initially it was Sheryl Lee. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>who was from Twin Peaks? Yes, who was excellent? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah we all saw the unaired pilot. Yeah yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I mean again, so this is conjecture because

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<v Speaker 2>this is I'm not privy to what actually happened, So

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<v Speaker 2>this is I don't really know for sure, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's because possibly initially they felt like maybe there

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be more of her on camera, like

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<v Speaker 2>more like right, like a being precluded in the on

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<v Speaker 2>screen like the Five of Us or whatever. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think something must have happened to make Mark realize that

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<v Speaker 2>more of the story was going to be told through

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<v Speaker 2>the voiceover. I mean, Brenda still, of course appears in

0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the show often, but most of her presence takes place

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<v Speaker 2>through the voice and I think they just felt like

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<v Speaker 2>the voice wasn't right and Brenda's voice certainly is right.

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<v Speaker 1>She has such an amazing voice, and I not typically

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<v Speaker 1>as a writer, I am sometimes shy away from being

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of voiceover because I kind of think it's

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<v Speaker 1>lazy storytelling. It's like, why you know, the show don't

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>tell It feels like the exact opposite of that. However,

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<v Speaker 1>there are certain times when voiceover works perfectly, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is a really good example of when that

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<v Speaker 1>voice carries us through these multiple lives and these multiple

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<v Speaker 1>story lines and really feels earned.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's because that you don't see her all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>because if it's a voiceover, you know, I think about

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Sex and City and I think about Carry Bradshaw, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and like they utilize her voiceover a lot, and I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm a very big Sarah Diska Parker fan.

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<v Speaker 3>I love her, and I mean she's so great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and so she does that really really well. But I

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<v Speaker 3>do think it's like you're in her head and then

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<v Speaker 3>you're watching her, and that's a very different sort of

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<v Speaker 3>raperience with Mary Alice. With Brenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it works too, because the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>is part of figuring out the secret. So she is

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<v Speaker 2>a very pertinent character, even though she's visibly not there

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<v Speaker 2>very often, because the whole show is about what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and just a moment for how creepy

0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that toy chest is. What is going on with that?

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<v Speaker 1>I am terrified. And I know that you guys know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, but you actually do not know. I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 2>So Carlos finds almost find Gabrielle and bed with the Gardener.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, which I know we talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode, Andrea. I know that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>said we were going to pick this up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm curious what you think of the age difference

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<v Speaker 3>dynamic between John and Gabrielle.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is and I don't I'm not normally

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<v Speaker 1>looking at my notes. I think you're just having an

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<v Speaker 1>organic conversation, but I did write down verbatim. Wait hold up, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>hold up, Pama, How old is this Gardner? John? Question mark?

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<v Speaker 1>Question mark? Question mark? He has all capital homework question mark?

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<v Speaker 1>He lives with his all capital again mom, question mark

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<v Speaker 1>question mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he's too young to smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>And young to smoke, too young to smoke, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>arguably everyone too young.

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<v Speaker 2>To smoke, but all I know is I definitely clocked

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning and had for the whole run of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole show, Like, why is nobody calling this character

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<v Speaker 2>out on the fact that I just slept with.

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<v Speaker 3>The I'm curious if it comes up at all, does

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember if at some point, like maybe in

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<v Speaker 3>a future episode someone from his family finds out or

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe maybe it's never addressed in that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's giving very Stacy's mom, which I love, she's got

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<v Speaker 1>it going on. But also it does feel like when

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<v Speaker 1>I first when I watched the pilot, I assumed he

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 1>was in college college kid who was back mowing the lawns.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Stephiel was questionable.

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<v Speaker 3>That was another recast and I do, yeah, so the

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<v Speaker 3>original And this is interesting to me to touch on

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:15.439
<v Speaker 3>because the original actor, an actor named Kyle Searles, who

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 3>I ended up having. Uh, we were at the same

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.199
<v Speaker 3>screen test, he and I, and so I felt like

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.640
<v Speaker 3>a camaraderie with him because I remember us both being

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 3>there and we both had brought like multiple outfits to

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 3>test in for our roles and whatever U and so

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<v Speaker 3>I do sort of and again it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of conjecture because of course, I can you imagine if

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:38.160
<v Speaker 3>I'd been in these decisions strange, but I do kind

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<v Speaker 3>of remember hearing through the grape vine that part of

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 3>that decision was nothing, of course, to do with his performance.

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 3>He was great, but he was a very like cherub

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 3>faced kind of young looking man. He looked sweet and

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 3>innocent and definitely looked young. I mean, he wasn't sixteen

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 3>or whatever John is supposed to be, but he looked young.

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 3>And I think when they did the pilot or when

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 3>they reviewed or whatever, people were like, huh, we need

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 3>him to not be so young, you know, like and

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 3>so obviously Jesse metcalf being a lot more like you know, hunky, yeah, exactly.

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 3>I think was an intentional choice to kind of go

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 3>in that direction, and I do think it worked for

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 3>the benefit of like loving Gabrielle and you know, trying

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 3>to empathize with it, because other house housewives or other

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 3>viewers of the audience were like, Oh my god, he's

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>so hot, you know, yeah, versus like, oh, he looks

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 3>really young. And there's a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe as I was a mom, like like in real life,

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<v Speaker 2>I always kind of snagged as a person, not as

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>an actress or being on the show, but just I

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 2>think I snagged on it a little bit.

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I snagged on it because I mean, the

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.400
<v Speaker 3>difference between our characters would have only been like Julie's

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.400
<v Speaker 3>fourteen or something and he's a couple of years older than.

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I snagged on it when they were in the

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>childhood bedroom and he had the homework line. I think

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.360
<v Speaker 1>up until that point I kind of felt like, Oh,

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.159
<v Speaker 1>he's a like one of those typical screen agers. This

0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is actually a term I just I just love way. Okay,

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>this is a really big shout out to my assistant.

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 3>So like humble brag, you have an assistant.

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>No, oh my god, she's the best. If she's listening

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>to this, I love you. She's wonderful. And we were

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.919
<v Speaker 1>talking about a project that I'm writing right now, a

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>feature I'm writing, and she used the term screenager to

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>describe a teenager on screen. And I had not heard

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>this term before, but it falls into the category of

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>when you think about like gossip Girl or Glee. I

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>did not look anything like the people in gossip Girl

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 1>when I was a teenager. I write so much younger

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>because I was so much younger because they were all

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>in their twenties, but they're cast as teenagers on screen

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and it sort of lets them get away with things

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I think, like having sex, like drinking, like having an

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>affair where we go with it until we're really confronted

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 1>with dialogue that actually contradicts the fact that they're not

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>in their twenties supposedly. But this idea of a screenager,

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was really.

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm listening to you, and I'm thinking, I'm internalizing this, thinking, Okay,

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 3>I was a teenager on a TV show, and how

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.439
<v Speaker 3>did I look? And I think if somebody had given

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 3>me an option to look as cool as the people

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>on Gossip Girl, I would have picked that right, because

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 3>I did not look cool.

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Julie, you look you look cool.

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 3>And adorable, but I didn't look and you know, I

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 3>didn't think I looked cool and anyway, but rewatching it,

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 3>I actually really appreciate that I look like a like

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 3>a real kid, you know, and I looked I was, yeah,

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 3>and I have liked that.

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 2>Looking back in the vein of like, I actually also

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>look very real like and I remember, but you know

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I do not, Yes, you do.

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I know that's weird to say, but those low rise

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>pants that God for the husband, Yeah, only you can

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 1>wear those, And I wrote down that was another note.

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I wrote down, Susan is hot. That's my mom. That's

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 1>is that weird, but she is pants.

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 3>I made a note about how beautiful you look and

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 3>like out and just being so struck by just your

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 3>presence and like you're you're that thing of being like

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 3>beautiful and hot and but also like so adorable and

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 3>like and then I also wrote down Nicolat's outfits just

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 3>like I wrote a little because I couldn't get over those,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 3>like like those whatever her workout ridiculous, but I was

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 3>so fascinating.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 2>But I remember so my makeup artist, John John, we

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>would always fight. I would want him to do less makeup,

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 2>less makeup, less makeup, less makeup, and he would like,

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>just let me make you look pretty, and I'm like, no,

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>less makeup, less makeup, And it was really it was

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 2>throughout the years, like he really wanted me to be

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>more glamorous, and I really wanted to push the I'm

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna look like ship on purpose thing, and well you

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>never look.

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>So.

0:28:54.040 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Also, Lynette had a very stressful episode episode.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah to be I want to hear your thoughts on.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I bet you do. And I was thinking about

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 3>this because of you know, like mom guilt and also

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.479
<v Speaker 3>then just like the fear of being judged by you know, people,

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>other people. This episode, it's a woman judging her, you know,

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 3>and and harsh parenting or like you know, gentle parenting

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 3>versus you know, this type of parenting. And I thought

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 3>that was really interesting and I thought, you know, I

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 3>wondered like would I do that? And I think obviously,

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 3>in a in a I mean, no is the answer.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 3>But but not because I'm judging Lynette, but because I

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 3>live in LA and I'm not going to love any

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 3>of my you know, children on the side of the

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 3>road here. But I think in a in a in

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 3>a town like that, and you're just on a little

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 3>side street and you're trying to you're you're desperate to

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, have them respect you and listen to you.

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 3>I can see getting pushed to that, to that breaking

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 3>point and then being so hurt by someone or being

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 3>so enraged by someone you know.

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Judging you.

0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>My mom did leave me intentionally or accident, I don't.

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Know intentionally why I mean, I don't consciously remember this.

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess I was like two or something, but apparently

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the way it's been told to me, I was acting

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>up in the grocery store at two. I don't know,

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>can you even.

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Can you.

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Acting up? Anyway? So yeah, I guess I didn't want

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>to get in the car or something. I don't know.

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I was three, but like eight and young, yeah,

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>really young, and she I guess she said, if you

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.719
<v Speaker 2>don't get in the car, I'm gonna leave you. And

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get in the car, and so she left.

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I guess she drove out of the the parking lot

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and maybe around the block and came back sort of

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 2>similarly or whatever. I like, I said, I'm just a

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>damaged human being. I don't actually remember this. I just

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>but you know, when.

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if you did, like you might not, you know,

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 3>consciously remember that experience, but I wonder if it me.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like when she told me, she told

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 2>me it was pride. I don't know, this is.

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Totally something that my grandma would say. And then I

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>left you. You never did it again, and.

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Now you know why everything is wrong with me?

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>But I definitely felt a ton of you know, empathy

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>for that character. I mean, I just you know that

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>many children under six.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Well made me think of my mom.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, that mom is amazing.

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>My mom is the most incredible woman. Yeah, and she

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 3>loves both of you so much. And Terry spent a

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of time with my mom over the years, and yeah,

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 3>my mom is really incredible. I'm youngest of six kids.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 3>My mom had all six of us in nine years. Yeah,

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 3>it's it's incredible. She parented us individually, which is incredible,

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Like she you know, recognized our our individual needs and

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>would adapt the way she mothered us to you know,

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 3>both my parents really amazing. But yeah, I mean when

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 3>she said, you know I have, however many kids under

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 3>this many, of course I have anger and said that. Man,

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 3>I think I laughed out loud at that point.

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was great.

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 3>I also was a really I just asked somebody who's

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 3>researching car seats and like, the appropriate way to put

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 3>a baby in, how you do all these things in

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 3>preparation for my baby? I was like, that baby is

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 3>in the front seat, her baby and her baby's car

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>seat is in the front passenger seat, which I guess

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 3>maybe was you know, considered safe at the time, but

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 3>now obviously those I feel like safety regulations have seen just.

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Like a year before the car seat safety regulations changed,

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I saw.

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 3>That so something that didn't age well.

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yes, Penny in the front seat.

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but anyway, I remember I was that was just

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>something that stood out to me and I was like, oh,

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 3>what what is that baby doing as a pastor?

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of my favorite parts was the marriage counseling scene. Yeah,

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Rex with three and Rex, I mean we I jet,

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 2>well I did you guys. I just love it. I again,

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say, Marsha, you're desperately to vote. I

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 2>just I cannot get over. I just I don't know,

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>like getting behind like the actor's eye of it, you know,

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes I think when you're an actor, you imagine

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>playing a part. You know, you look at something and

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you just go, I wonder, how would I have done that?

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can't help but do it. And I

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like, man, she was just it's just some

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>combination of exactly how she looked and exactly how she

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>moved and exactly what she sounded like.

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 3>It's just so good, it's so good, and that monologue

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 3>she has about Freud and well, when he brings with

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 3>the therapy, you.

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Knows that she's a psychologist. Yeah, so I wondered if

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>how much.

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Right like when he when the therapist brings it up,

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 3>and she has that reaction like, oh, you know, basically saying,

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, I just don't know how I feel about

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 3>about that whole thing. Because and then she goes into

0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 3>her inner dialogue and she she has this incredibly vulnerable,

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 3>intimate moment but in front of a therapist. Right, so

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 3>that setup is already so interesting, but she plays it

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 3>so well, and the crux of it is like I'm invisible,

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel invisible, and no one thinks me, and that

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 3>would go so far, you know. Does he ever think

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 3>about the fact that I do all of these things?

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Is that ever acknowledged? You know? And I think that

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:29.320
<v Speaker 3>not only is that just brilliant writing and really philosophically interesting,

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 3>but I also think that had to have been so

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 3>relatable to so many people watching the show. I completely

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 3>so many wives and mothers and people in general watching

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.240
<v Speaker 3>that must have felt that moment and felt you know, wow.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Because even not in that exact kind of relationship position,

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>just the feeling that so many of us feel missed,

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 2>we feel unseen, we feel unheard, we feel unrecognized for

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 2>who we authentically are. Like I think that is it's

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:02.439
<v Speaker 2>a very relatable pain.

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 1>This is exactly I was going to say. A major

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>theme of the episode that really stuck with me after

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>watching it was this idea of loneliness and of all

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the different ways that were lonely. You know, you see

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Gabby be lonely in her marriage, even when she showered

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>in gifts. You see Lynette be lonely when no one

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is listening to her and her kids aren't seeing her,

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and on her and her partner's on a business trip.

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, you see Susan feel lonely even when she's

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>sitting across from the person that she's finally gotten closer to,

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>because now another woman is there and that presence feels different.

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And I just I feel like Breeze character really brings

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that up in such an interesting way. And then all

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the ways that the various characters respond in the face

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of that loneliness. You know, what do we do we

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>leave our kids on the side of the road, do

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.239
<v Speaker 1>we raise our voices, do we have an affair, do

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>we have an affair, do we, you know.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Pull out our sewing kit and madly sew anything that

0:35:58.320 --> 0:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>we can.

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>See exactly to exactly And what are all the ways

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that we seek control?

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm really interested as someone who's watching

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the show for the first time, I'm really interested in

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Breeze character and what that backstory is on why she

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>feels the need to have so much control or is

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it control or is it just trying to be seen

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>well by being a perfection?

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>He says, I miss the girl. Where's the girl that

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with that drank milk out of

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the milk carton?

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 2>And I forget the other example, but.

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>It's such a care free woman that we don't see.

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I actually found myself going, yeah, where is that person?

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I actually can't interesting? Like I love what she's doing

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 2>as an actress, and I love the way the character

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 2>is written on the page. But I am a little

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>mystified with the I guess this dichotomy the right word

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 2>or the juxtaposition of like it's hard for me to

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 2>imagine ever drinking milk out of a milk carton? Right,

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 2>what's hard for me to imagine what happened to make

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>her not be that person, so that will be I

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 2>don't remember if that if we really ever get that answer.

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if if she as an actress, had to

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>answer that for herself. I mean, I'm sure that she did.

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>She's a talented person, so I'm sure she had figured

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 2>that out. But I found myself being like, those don't

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 2>add up to me.

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I had that same question. I actually literally wrote down

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>trauma question mark. It seems like some huge traumatic event

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>that I would love as a storyteller to hopefully, I mean,

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where it's going, but to maybe understand

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>like where did the split occur and why and.

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>What is the impetus for why she feels this need

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 3>to be perfect all the time and you know, pristine

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 3>all the time and presentational that the you know, yeah,

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean the facade she puts up and the inner

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>life she's clearly having is fascinating. And I don't remember either.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited to watch episode.

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>It is and there's so much to say about this

0:37:59.000 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>as women.

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 2>And if you asked me, or somebody asked me if

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I watched it in real time, I did. And I

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>think one of the reasons I did watch it is

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>because I always used to say this that like it

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 2>was like being in a show that I wasn't in,

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>because there were you know, you would obviously you would

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>read the script at the beginning, so you would know

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>everything that was happening. But I wasn't there when they

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 2>were shooting that marriage scene or the get the car scene,

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.399
<v Speaker 2>or the pullover on the side of the road, saying

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I never saw anyone do any of that work, just

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.839
<v Speaker 2>like they didn't see me do my work. And we

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 2>did always have these poker scenes where the characters would

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of end up together, but often there was a

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:43.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of it happening separate storylines, and so it was

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>like a big giant surprise treat to get to watch

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>what these fellow actors were doing when you weren't there,

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and they're all so good that it was like watching

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 2>a show that you weren't in. Okay, so I also

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 2>got I thought, so Gabby's reaction to the car Emerson

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>knows this about me. I have always had a fantasy

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:11.280
<v Speaker 2>of someone surprising me with a car with a big

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.320
<v Speaker 2>bow on it in the driveway.

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think I inherited that.

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I want you to do that for you.

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now I feel like I'm somehow responsible to get

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:21.359
<v Speaker 3>you both the car.

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so where's our car? Andrew the podcast My car

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you guys.

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that never. I I really always wanted that, And

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:37.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it goes bigger into understanding, like, well,

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>we talked about it a little bit like gifts is

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 2>gifts gifts a way that you show love or and

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not like the way, and it's not

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 2>even necessarily like a good way. It's but I don't know.

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I think in my imagination, I just always thought that

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:59.240
<v Speaker 2>i'd be very special or valuable or something if somebody

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 2>did that for me. So I guess even though within

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 2>the Carlos and Gabby relationship, I think it's bad. I

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>mean I think it's I think I think clearly something's

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 2>wrong with their relationship. That that's what made her so happy,

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, And but even you can see she actually

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>preferred the roads Rose Yeah. Yeah, but I I guess

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I guess I related to it.

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there is that whimsical fantasy of yeah, I

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:31.720
<v Speaker 1>get that, of.

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Walking out the front door and yeah.

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:37.240
<v Speaker 1>It's funny you bring up Carlos and Gabby's relationship because

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I also was struck. I mean, of course they have

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a very imperfect marriage that you know, we've talked about

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the last time when we walked the pilot, but I

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>felt in this episode and I was curious what you thought.

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Carlos was very problematic to me, the way that he

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 1>behaved and the portrayal of an acceptable marriage, And I

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>was wondering how his marriage with Gabby sat today, because

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>there were some places in this episode where he was

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:06.839
<v Speaker 1>actually like a bit physically forceful and violent and kind

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>of grabbed her wrist and felt very intimidating in a

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>way that I, you know, I certainly hope we never

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 1>are putting up with, but I feel like, especially right now,

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 1>felt a bit shocking. I thought, oh my god, that's fine.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what's so amazing about the show

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>that in its time they were willing to do that.

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>They were because that is scary, and I'm sure that

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>there were people even at the time that watched it

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 2>that were like, that's that's that's not cool.

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 3>Something more.

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the flip side of that is in terms

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 2>of the daringness and sort of the edge of the show.

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, you got to remember, this is

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:50.399
<v Speaker 2>on ABC at nine o'clock on Sundays, which, again, as

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I said in the last episode, you know I think

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>was the definitive place to put it. Yeah, but it

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 2>wasn't on HBO, it wasn't on a streaming network because

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 2>they didn't exist yet. You know, it wasn't in the

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>places where you're more likely to see a relationship like that.

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 2>So to put that on ABC, that was a big deal.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>But the flip side of that is seeing the gardener's

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 2>naked ass. Yeah, outside that reveal.

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Him going like, oh, you know, did John come today?

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 3>And he's all heated, and then he's like hey, mister

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Solis and he's trimming the hedges and then they do

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 3>you pan out the window and you just see his

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 3>little I mean.

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 2>That is You're right, like, oh, it's really it was, Yeah,

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 2>it really did.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 3>And the rose thing that scene, Okay, So I just

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>because we were talking about when when you and Gabrielle

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:40.879
<v Speaker 3>come in the house and I guess you were maybe

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 3>shopping or something and you come in and at the

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 3>very end of the scene you mentioned the rose, which

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 3>is why I'm thinking of the scene because you say like, oh,

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 3>that's such a beautiful rose, and she has to think quickly,

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 3>like because you say like where'd you get it or something,

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 3>and she has to think on her toes to hate

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 3>so much, right, yeah, yeah, and so but you have

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 3>that line because of course we have to talk about

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 3>the dinner scene, which I'm you know we'll get to,

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 3>but the dinner date scene. Yeah, but you have that

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 3>line of figuring out how you're going to time out

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 3>your arrival with Edie's arrival, and you say, well, what

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 3>do you say? I wrote it down because I have

0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 3>to get it perfect, because it was just such a

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 3>great line, which was Edie will get there at five

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 3>forty five, which means her breasts will be there at

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 3>five thirty, so I should get there at five. The

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 3>line and the delivery of that line, bravo. That was

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 3>so good. I thought that was so so funny, and

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 3>it was just like such a standout moment in the

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 3>eye told to.

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Me every time you know, you bring up this specificity

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 2>of like these lines or the I mean, it's the

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 2>complimentary weaving of character development with mystery revelations.

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>It's really special.

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just have to keep tipping your hat

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>to Mark Cherry not only for that, but for basically

0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>bringing back and the word housewives into the zeitgeist to

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.879
<v Speaker 2>the point where lots of other people made a ton

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of money. Yeah, off of the word housewives, you know,

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and that was all him.

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are This is funny, and I bet

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 3>that I'm sure this happens to you. You know, when

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 3>when people will reference like if somebody if I'm out

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.440
<v Speaker 3>and someone recognizes me or whatever, and someone says, oh,

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 3>well she is you know, she was on Desperate Housewives,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 3>sometimes this happens where someone assumes that's part of the

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Real Housewives friendship.

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I have had the same thing happening.

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 3>They don't even know, you know, if it's a younger person,

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:37.959
<v Speaker 3>they don't know what desert houses. They're like, oh my god,

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 3>and they're like what your what reality show? And I'm like,

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>oh no, no, no, very different things. But I always think

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 3>it's hysterical because I am a big Bravo fan. But

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 3>I was also I'm always like, okay, that's crazy to

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.880
<v Speaker 3>picture me on any of those shows. But yeah, yeah,

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 3>but there are people out there who probably think you

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 3>are on one of those shows and not.

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you would not have enough drama to be

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>on one of their shows. Although Desperate Housewives does have enough.

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Drama, Desperate Housewives just have enough drama. No, I, I

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I don't think they ever actually asked me.

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I feel I would. I mean, it's I but I

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 2>there was one moment where we talked for a second

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 2>and I and I said, I I nothing nothing. All

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I do is clean cat litter boxes and and and like,

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, take out the garbage. Like there's a I

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 2>don't do any of this fancy ship that these people do,

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I wear sweats all day and I clean litter boxes.

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 2>That's my exciting life. Now needs to film that.

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 3>But then that makes me think of you know, you

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>in advance of your date with Mike when you go

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 3>out in your robe, Yeah you can, Yeah, And you're like, oh,

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to see him before I'm supposed to

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 3>be ready to see him. And I thought that was

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 3>so cute.

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I have more on Mike, do you well?

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>I gonna I had more on trash? Okay, oh yeah,

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>because I know and maybe maybe we can make this

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:14.240
<v Speaker 1>a thing. The Most Savage Line Award goes to again

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>classic Missus Hooper.

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 3>Edie.

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe trash, but she's still a human being.

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Christine Nestbrook and she's another theater person's friends.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like she was in Spring Awakening your show. Yeah,

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 3>but anyway, yeah, you're right. I mean that line is.

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Like delivered so well. And as you mentioned, Andrew, they're

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>they're friendship with each other. And again it is her

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Missus Hooper's p assistance to be a nosy neighbor when

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.839
<v Speaker 1>she when Edie doesn't even care about finding the measuring cup,

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and then she is the one who keeps it. And

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>then when she runs into you and she finds the

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 1>new measuring cup and oh my god, I was like,

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Susan is such a little gas Later in this moment

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>when you ask her where the measuring cup is before

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>she buys a new one, I don't know, I'm.

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 2>But this scene, this is where I caught a mistake.

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>At least I think I bought a mistake. Which this

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 2>scene with the with the where you are with Missus

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Hooper and she finds, yes, a measuring cup in your bag.

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>So she comes over and she says, I want to

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:35.359
<v Speaker 2>get the clothes from from Susan, right, And you say, oh,

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:39.959
<v Speaker 2>she's not here. She's with Missus van DeCamp and I

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>was not. We were with Gabby. I was shopping.

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 3>You were shopping.

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I was shopping. And then I had to wonder, like,

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>did I lie to you and say I was gonna

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.879
<v Speaker 2>go make muffins? But instead I bought my one little

0:47:53.960 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 2>bag of whatever the hell bag your date that I

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 2>think maybe you did, and my little very little fancy

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like an edible g strings in my little bag.

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>That is way too risky for Susan. Wait, okay, but

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>we do have to talk about the date because that

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 1>is kind of the crowning jewel.

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, and plus this is what's sitting in front of it.

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Plus wait one second, okay, look at what I have.

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 1>This is the purse that you carry over to Mike's

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>house during the date. Which have that because of my mind,

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm herself.

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Department was lacking.

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 3>It was happening behind the seas bringing in her own.

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Clothes, and I just inherited this purse as you over

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the year as well, aftersper housewives were cleaning out your closet.

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I actually went and I went to take it here.

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I opened it up and I was like, oh, I

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.959
<v Speaker 1>actually used her, and I was like, God, I wish

0:48:54.120 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 1>my mother's my little my little tiny Uh god, no,

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>it's I mean, well, sometimes I like to take my

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>notes when I'm working on a project.

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 3>A poly pocket. Why don't you have a regular size.

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Because it doesn't fit in this purse. I have different

0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 1>size notebooks for different for different verses, and I always

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>carry around in every purse a pen and a notebook,

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's how I know it's a person I'm actually using.

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 1>So I I'm very glad I didn't throw it out,

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'm very glad that you have it.

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>And I was very glad to see it on screen

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.760
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, that's my purse. But I have

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>no recollection as to why. So I can buy that

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I wore the little penny heart Saint Christopher necklace. I

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 2>can buy that there was some part of me that

0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:42.319
<v Speaker 2>may have wanted some touchstone of reality or something. I

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I can buy that the purse. I just

0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like I don't get it.

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't one of the first.

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Why I would have brought that or how that happened. Yeah,

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that would maybe we'll have to get somebody from the wardrobe.

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe you had like condoms or something in there.

0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 1>I know, I just in case the datement really want?

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Is it the second podcast episode and I'm already talking

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 2>about how long it's been since I.

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>You said that. I did not. I said nothing about that.

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about Susan literally.

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Susan line in the first episode, right.

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's your line, So I did.

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Really, you were talking about my jeans, which I cannot believe.

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I can't. First of all, I can't believe you think

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that that's hot. And also we're not the only one

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:21.919
<v Speaker 2>everybody thinks.

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you see fashion today? Everyone wants to be able

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:25.240
<v Speaker 1>to wear those greens serious.

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't wear them anymore, unfortunately.

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>But I could.

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 2>But I certainly that green skirt that I wore over

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 2>to the MIC date, and I don't think that was mine.

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that actually came from a wardrobe.

0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 3>So I did.

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I did like that. No, So the the cake, So

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 2>every episode we're bringing food from uh the show, and

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 2>this is a little bit more obscure. So the macaroni

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 2>cheese was very obvious.

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 3>About the cakes. So the cake is it's being beautiful

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 3>if you.

0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Go into the date scenes. So there in Mike's house

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 2>and everyone is around the table eating and there are

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.720
<v Speaker 2>a couple of angles where you can see back into

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the kitchen and in the kitchen out is slices of

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>a white cake with strawberries. Wow, and nobody ever eats it.

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that what Susan says, I'm gonna go get the

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.360
<v Speaker 1>cake when she sees the gravy and puts it on herself.

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And so that's where you see the cake.

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Nobody ever eats it, but it's there in the shot.

0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:31.399
<v Speaker 2>And I was and I thought, you know what I'm

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna make. I'm going to make a cake. So this

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 2>is I have become Instagram friends with a woman. She

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 2>has an app called Passion for Baking, Okay, and this

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.239
<v Speaker 2>is you guys were talking about ASMR. She has this

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 2>voice and she just like whips the stuff up and

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:53.879
<v Speaker 2>she talks about how you take your Also, I guess

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize it, but I do. So I dm'ed

0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 2>her like you know, I'm a Fanda da da. So

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 2>we've kind of over the last little bit of time,

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I've been sort of going back and forth, and so

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.879
<v Speaker 2>I finally downloaded her app and I thought, you know what,

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to make one of her cakes.

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 2>So because I cook a lot, Yeah, you do. But

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>baking is I mean, I'm a good baker. I've gone

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 2>on some of those baking shows and I've won and

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I've done you know whatever.

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 1>But I don't love it good.

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I love it anymore. Baking, yeah, Okay,

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, I just don't love it anyways. This

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:32.479
<v Speaker 2>is a three layers of a white sponge cake. Within

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it is a Greek yogurt cream roasted

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 2>strawberry moose with fresh strawberries, and then that is sort

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>of a vanilla marshmallow icing.

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goshunds like something that Bree would actually make.

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I think maybe one thing people will get

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 2>out of this podcast is that I should never have

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>played Bree because nobody could play it better than Marsha.

0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 2>But the cooking part of it, yes, is definitely me.

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely me. I actually remember Marcia always wanted

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 2>me to teach her to make my roast chicken, which

0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:11.240
<v Speaker 2>remember how I used to make really perfect roast chicken

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and I never did that. Like, just talk quickly about

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>the the dating scene, because one thing for me of

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 2>where it resolves, I did not realize that Mike had

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a dead wife. I'd forgotten that.

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that piece of information was dropped as early

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.319
<v Speaker 2>as the second episode, right, and that that.

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.759
<v Speaker 3>Informs the development of your relationship or your willingness to

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:40.839
<v Speaker 3>like go after him.

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I think I remembered that he had an like a

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 3>dead wife widow. I don't know, but I didn't remember

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>because at first, I will say, I thought his reaction

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.880
<v Speaker 3>was so weird. It was so abrupt, how kind of

0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:57.839
<v Speaker 3>snippy he was with you when you were like, oh,

0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.440
<v Speaker 3>can I do anything? And He's like no, And I

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:03.320
<v Speaker 3>was like, Mike, whoa dude. But then obviously it paid

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.279
<v Speaker 3>off in the next scene when he explains you know

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 3>what happened, and he kind of takes ownership ownership of

0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.040
<v Speaker 3>it and apologizes for it and brings you guys closer

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 3>and all that. But I I thought the dynamic of

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 3>that scene was so funny. And you obviously, you know,

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 3>wiping that gravy behind her ear. It's and you look

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 3>so proud when you come out of the kitchen, like, oh,

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 3>look at me with my cute little idea and nobody

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 3>knows that fires so quickly. Look look at Bongo likes me.

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 3>It's so funny. It's just so funny, but I did think,

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:45.040
<v Speaker 3>just kind of in a broader way, like, uh, okay,

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 3>you had initially planned on using Julia as like a decoy,

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.400
<v Speaker 3>and then you were going to say, okay, you have

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 3>something else here. You come down with something right, like

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Julie's sick, so she can't make it, and then Edie

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 3>crashes the date, and so then I end up coming.

0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:58.959
<v Speaker 3>And I was just thinking about like dates gone wrong,

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 3>and I want to to know if you or you

0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.680
<v Speaker 3>have had a hilarious or not so hilarious date gone

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 3>wrong story you feel like sharing.

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Okay, think about that. Yay, oh wow, Okay,

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm now I'm completely put on the spot. I thought

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 1>that she was going to have an answer about about

0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.560
<v Speaker 1>a date gone wrong. Okay, I do not have. This

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 1>is it never made its way all the way to

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:25.800
<v Speaker 1>a date. Okay, but this is actually a good story

0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's the closest thing I have to a date

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 1>gone wrong. Okay. So this is maybe a year and

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.719
<v Speaker 1>a half ago. I had just gotten out of a

0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:36.399
<v Speaker 1>relationship and I was single, and I downloaded Hinge for

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the first time. I wow, I know I'd never had

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.719
<v Speaker 1>a dating app Ever, I just I don't know. I

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't have one in college. I didn't have an after college.

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>And I said, you know what, I want to actually

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>maximize and enjoy being single, and I have this dating app,

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>and honestly, lesbian hinge in Los Angeles is like, you

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>know every it's the same seven people that really yeah,

0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you all go to the same coffee shop on the

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 1>East Side and you're like, oh, I recognize everybody here.

0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>So there's kind of a feeling of like, oh, this

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.560
<v Speaker 1>is not just yeah, it's not just random strange. But

0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I still I was cautious. I was like, I'm not

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 1>going to give my number just out to anybody. And

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:17.320
<v Speaker 1>one person I matched with I knew, I didn't know personally,

0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>but we had a mutual friend who I trust and like,

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 1>and it was one of the things I said to her.

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I messaged her and I was like, oh, hey, I

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:26.360
<v Speaker 1>see that we both know so and so, and we

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 1>very quickly said she asked, oh, what's her number, I'll

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.280
<v Speaker 1>text you, we'll figure out a time to go out.

0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:32.920
<v Speaker 1>And I gave her my number and I was like, well,

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 1>that's the only person that I would give my number

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:39.319
<v Speaker 1>two because that's that. And about a day later, I

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 1>get a text that says guess who, and I was like, Okay,

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I hope this isn't the beginning of like a horror movie.

0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:51.520
<v Speaker 1>But I I'm like, oh god, I'm so nervous that

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna guess wrong. But I kind of was like,

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna guess wrong because I only give my

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:58.839
<v Speaker 1>number to one person, and so I guess I say

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>is your name? And the person writes back something like

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:06.440
<v Speaker 1>nailed it. And we kind of have this like flirty

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 1>exchange where we're kind of joking about the fact that

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not actually texting the person that I think I'm texting,

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh my god, she's so funny.

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 2>She's so witty.

0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 1>We're committing to the bit. She's like, oh, is this

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 1>so and so from Farmers Only or Christian Mingle? And

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, and like she's hilarious. We

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:26.440
<v Speaker 1>have such good banter. I say, obviously it's from Farmers Only,

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.919
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, well, you know, I'm out of town

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit. We set up a time to

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 1>go on a date and she's like, you know, I

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 1>hope that farmer so and so, you know, ends up

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:38.840
<v Speaker 1>smelling bad. And I'm like, oh haha, I'm very forgiving,

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 1>like I'm sure I'll give her another chance. And then

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I go on to tell quite a few people like,

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm having such a fun, flirty texting

0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>exchange with this person. I'm really excited to go on

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.920
<v Speaker 1>a date with her. And then later that night I

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 1>get a text that's like, hey, it's so and so.

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Here's my number, and it's from a different number number,

0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's not the number I've been texting, and I

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 1>realized I had given my number out to one other

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<v Speaker 1>person on hinge because we were both from l A

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<v Speaker 1>and we'd connected over it.

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<v Speaker 3>You did have.

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<v Speaker 1>I did have legitimate flirty banter with someone else, but

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<v Speaker 1>I I mean, we matched, but it was someone that

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't really thinking. I feel like I already knew.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did end up going on a date with

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<v Speaker 1>the the person I thought that I was texting, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say it was a little I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, this was not who I thought I had.

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<v Speaker 1>All this witty, lovely but it was. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>never ended up seeing the other person because by the

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<v Speaker 1>time that she got back in town, I'd gone on

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<v Speaker 1>a date with my now girlfriend, and then we just

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<v Speaker 1>never worked exactly and you haul, but that was as

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<v Speaker 1>close as I have to almost.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I'd have to date to have bad day

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<v Speaker 2>stories and years and years and years. Okay, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you know if he us posted you guys. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that was another fabulous art episode and our I

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<v Speaker 2>loved episode two the show, and I loved episode two

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<v Speaker 2>of I love getting to see you guys, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would say let them eat cake. So yeah, I hope,

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<v Speaker 2>as always said, everybody enjoyed this. And if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to reach out to us, we definitely want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>what you have to say. We want to answer your

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<v Speaker 2>questions about behind the scenes or anything else you think

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<v Speaker 2>you might need to know about life or relationships. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to do that because we're desperately

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for joining us.