Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 2: Rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter
Speaker 2: Andrea Bowen, and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're bad.
Speaker 2: Okay, the craziest thing happened to me on my way
Speaker 2: over here. I wonder if this ever happens to you guys,
Speaker 2: because I think it says so much about people. So
Speaker 2: I get on the freeway. When I get on the freeway,
Speaker 2: I have to do that thing where you have to
Speaker 2: get over four lanes to the left, like in less
Speaker 2: than half a mile, because your your exit's going to
Speaker 2: be over there. So you have your blinker on, and
Speaker 2: you know, people let you usually don't, so this don't
Speaker 2: let you in. So this one woman like it's the thing.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that bothers me. This is the thing.
Speaker 2: So she's back far enough that like she could have
Speaker 2: let me, you know, like, and I've got my blinker on,
Speaker 2: and I'm like great, but she purposefully accelerates to not
Speaker 2: let me in. And you know, she was driving an
Speaker 2: Audi e Tron. And then I talked to myself in
Speaker 2: the car for like five minutes. I talked to her,
Speaker 2: and I talked to myself and I say, like, do
Speaker 2: you feel good about yourself because you didn't let me in?
Speaker 2: You and your e tron? Did you feel so good?
Speaker 2: And your fancy Audi e tron? You just you didn't
Speaker 2: let me in and you got you didn't let me in.
Speaker 2: And it just made me think like about people deeply
Speaker 2: and and like how these little things represent who they are.
Speaker 2: And I guess the reason I'm telling you that is
Speaker 2: because this we're talking about the second episode of Desperate
Speaker 2: Housewives today and which is called Knee, which is a it.
Speaker 1: Is a stupid song time lyric.
Speaker 3: Yes, the show Follies. It aired on October tenth, two
Speaker 3: thousand and four.
Speaker 2: You guys did follies in high school.
Speaker 1: We actually did falsettos.
Speaker 3: Oh you did?
Speaker 2: Oh yeahkay yeah close.
Speaker 1: And you were saying that Mark Cherry was a huge
Speaker 1: some time. He was as all good people are, totally
Speaker 1: as am I.
Speaker 2: But anyways, this, my whole etron Audi cutter off or
Speaker 2: not nice driver person made me think about sort of
Speaker 2: the one of one of the themes I thought of
Speaker 2: this episode is I think it's a bree line. How
Speaker 2: much do we really know about our neighbors and how
Speaker 2: much do we want to know? But how how do
Speaker 2: we how much do we know our neighbors? And I
Speaker 2: actually had a very interesting Los Angeles experience happened in
Speaker 2: my neighborhood over COVID. So I've lived in the same
Speaker 2: house for over twenty years and I have never known
Speaker 2: any of my neighbors. The only time any neighbors spoke
Speaker 2: to each other, this was many, many, many years ago.
Speaker 2: George Clooney used to live up the top of my
Speaker 2: dead end street.
Speaker 3: What a shame he didn't know him.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is different podcast. Okay, we'll get we'll get there. Okay.
Speaker 2: So in my driveway, my driveway up the hill was
Speaker 2: the last driveway you could get close that the Secret
Speaker 2: Service would let you get to George clues house because
Speaker 2: he was having a big fundraiser for Obama. So all
Speaker 2: the neighbors, we all of course wanted to see Obama
Speaker 2: drive by in the motorcade, but you couldn't stand in
Speaker 2: the street because the Secret Service wouldn't let you. Had
Speaker 2: to be in a driveway, you couldn't be in the street.
Speaker 2: So my driveway, all these neighbors who I didn't know,
Speaker 2: nobody knew each other.
Speaker 1: I remember this. Yeah, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 2: Stood in the driveway together at midnight, waiting in the
Speaker 2: cold for the motorcade to come drive by for a
Speaker 2: millisecond to feel like we waved to Obama as do
Speaker 2: you remember this?
Speaker 1: I totally remember this. Now, she's a super wide driveway.
Speaker 1: You've been over to the house, and yeah, all the
Speaker 1: neighbors were camped out.
Speaker 2: There anyway, so I never knew anybody. And then COVID happened,
Speaker 2: and so we were out much more, walking our dogs walking.
Speaker 2: All everybody did was bake sourdough and walk, and so
Speaker 2: I started to meet people walking, and we started to realize, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a manager and you work at Fox, and you're
Speaker 2: a producer and and oh yeah, wait either are you anyway,
Speaker 2: So we started a neighborhood. We call ourselves the names.
Speaker 2: We started a neighborhood like dinner supper club. And so
Speaker 2: now I know, and I mean I know, like I
Speaker 2: could call them for help with my parents. I could
Speaker 2: call them if the WIFEI goes out, if the electricity
Speaker 2: goes out, whatever. I probably know at least six households
Speaker 2: on my block, and it is the most comforting, wonderful feeling.
Speaker 2: So do you guys know your neighbors? Do you know
Speaker 2: your neighbors? Do you like your neighbors?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know. I love just witnessing from afar
Speaker 1: the relationship you've developed with your neighbors, because I think
Speaker 1: I don't know. It makes me feel as your daughter
Speaker 1: reassured that there's this.
Speaker 2: You're dead desperately, the next single alone mother isn't quite
Speaker 2: so sad.
Speaker 3: She's got back up.
Speaker 1: Not what I was gonna say, no, but that there's
Speaker 1: this larger community, because I think that's what we all
Speaker 1: aspire to in some respect. And I know in my building,
Speaker 1: I live downtown and in our building, you know, it's
Speaker 1: loft units. But also during COVID, I started getting closer
Speaker 1: to my neighbor who I share a wall with on
Speaker 1: one side. And then now actually we have like six
Speaker 1: neighbors and we're all part of the neighborhood package rescue
Speaker 1: because we live downtown and sometimes when packages get delivered,
Speaker 1: they get stolen. And so now if someone's out of town,
Speaker 1: or even if you're at work, or if you're just
Speaker 1: like not away and another person in the package rescue
Speaker 1: sees your package outside of your door. They'll take it
Speaker 1: into their house and then text in our group text
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I have your It is nice. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like waiting for the package and they take it
Speaker 1: in they candish on and then have to wait a
Speaker 1: couple of days because then they you can't get it
Speaker 1: back from them. But it makes me feel It makes
Speaker 1: me feel very reassured. And then my neighbors on the
Speaker 1: other side seem so cool and I would love to
Speaker 1: get to know them. But this is where I'm being
Speaker 1: a nosy neighbor because our bedroom share a wall, and
Speaker 1: I hear them fighting sometimes. And then I also heard
Speaker 1: them having sex.
Speaker 2: Oh, we were going to say me too, I did too.
Speaker 1: Well, I also heard I heard. Well. See, I feel
Speaker 1: like I know everything about their relationship. They started off
Speaker 1: having sex, now they're fighting, Now they've gotten a dog.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like anyone's around with the dog at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're still together, so I hope it works out
Speaker 1: for them and me.
Speaker 3: Let's see, Well, we my husband Josh, and I moved
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year, and so you know,
Speaker 3: we're getting to know our neighbors. But actually one of
Speaker 3: our neighbors did a very neighborly thing. When we moved
Speaker 3: in and he came by and he introduced himself, and
Speaker 3: he happened to mention that he was a contractor as well,
Speaker 3: and he also told us. He asked us at the time, like, hey,
Speaker 3: do you guys have a kid? And we didn't at
Speaker 3: the time, you know, And and he said, our neighborhoods
Speaker 3: like the best for trick or trading, which made me
Speaker 3: think of you. And when we when I went trick
Speaker 3: or trading with you guys growing up, Terry always gave
Speaker 3: up full sized candy bars. Anyway, and uh, anyway, he
Speaker 3: gave us this his card, and we struck up this
Speaker 3: nice relationship. And now he has been helping us at
Speaker 3: our house, doing work at the house and stuff, and
Speaker 3: he's phenomenal and uh and he gave he was one
Speaker 3: of the first people to give us a gift when
Speaker 3: we found out that we were expecting.
Speaker 1: So that's so sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicee.
Speaker 2: Maybe COVID made people become better neighbors.
Speaker 1: I hope we're getting a return.
Speaker 3: I'm scared of each other, but also better neighbors.
Speaker 1: Because we were afraid of each other.
Speaker 2: I guess if one of them was you know, bearing
Speaker 2: somebody in the pool or having affair with their gardener.
Speaker 2: Maybe I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you wouldn't know them. How well do we
Speaker 3: really know him? Yeah? Did you say I got chills
Speaker 3: hearing that line? Yeah, because I do remember obviously that
Speaker 3: was yeah. Yeah, but the power of the power of
Speaker 3: that line, because that's what so many people sort of
Speaker 3: latched onto about the show, right, Like that was relatable
Speaker 3: for people. It was it's this thing, we have this
Speaker 3: fascination with who do we live right next to? You know,
Speaker 3: they're right there, and yet what what do we know about?
Speaker 3: You know? And it's just it was succinct and it
Speaker 3: was powerful and I got full body chills.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So should we start at the top, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean well, I had a question just before we
Speaker 1: even dive into what happened in this episode. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: long for the two of you, Andrew and my mom and.
Speaker 2: My mom's mom and also.
Speaker 1: Terry and also Terry Erry, missus pat how long was
Speaker 1: it in between when you filmed the pilot and when
Speaker 1: you filmed the second episode? Because I feel like some
Speaker 1: people don't know how that always works. You didn't know
Speaker 1: you were going to get a second.
Speaker 3: Episode six inches for me? Wait what I The reason
Speaker 3: I say that is because I remember Mark Cherry telling
Speaker 3: me don't grow.
Speaker 2: And I was weird, like R.
Speaker 3: Now, I didn't even catch that, okay, So anyway.
Speaker 2: We got to get our minds out of the gun.
Speaker 3: He said, Yeah, he said don't grow and uh, and
Speaker 3: you know I didn't. I couldn't, right, I didn't follow
Speaker 3: that order.
Speaker 2: What I recall and usually how pilot season at the time.
Speaker 2: This again, things have changed in Hollywood at the time
Speaker 2: we shot the pilot, probably around March April ish of
Speaker 2: two thousand and four. They probably made the decision to
Speaker 2: put it on the air. They probably told us that
Speaker 2: around mid to the end of May. That was I
Speaker 2: feel like you and I went to Hawaii as a
Speaker 2: celebratory vacation for finding out that that that the show
Speaker 2: got picked up.
Speaker 1: I remember this. Yeah, this is before I was into
Speaker 1: the beach. All I wanted to do was play old
Speaker 1: maid and sit on a towel.
Speaker 2: And do you remember I got you that that woman
Speaker 2: helped you oil paint and you paint and that's still
Speaker 2: about all that that. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, so yes, we
Speaker 2: did do that, and then I don't. I think we
Speaker 2: probably started to shoot the full it was twenty two
Speaker 2: episodes or something, probably at the end of July or
Speaker 2: the beginning of August.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's just based on what the usual pattern is.
Speaker 2: That's not so it was that much time. But if
Speaker 2: you notice, things did change, like the billing changed bycocked.
Speaker 3: The billing changes also just because well one, I was
Speaker 3: very attached to my initial placement, well it stayed. It
Speaker 3: stayed for a while. I popped out of the sardine
Speaker 3: can my little name. And I really like that. Such
Speaker 3: good opening credits it really, I know, I really want
Speaker 3: to talk about the artwork of the opening credits and
Speaker 3: just like how that to be. Well, I think it's
Speaker 3: fascinating because you know, it's so unique, right, like it's
Speaker 3: I don't know who came up with it. I would
Speaker 3: love to know who came up with it. By depicting
Speaker 3: wives throughout history, starting with and Eve and then showcasing
Speaker 3: wives experience.
Speaker 2: And one that is yes, so cool.
Speaker 3: I mean you know that it's so so smart and
Speaker 3: so interesting, and you know, I mean it became iconic.
Speaker 3: I think by having all of that artworks start the
Speaker 3: show together.
Speaker 2: But but you know, I touched on that in our
Speaker 2: last podcast episode, that that this history of the housewife,
Speaker 2: you know, going back to that and what what has
Speaker 2: been expected of a housewife throughout the centuries, and and really,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't. I don't think this is good.
Speaker 2: But I find myself. I mean, I'm a single woman.
Speaker 2: I've always made the money. I've never had a man
Speaker 2: take care of me, even though I have been married twice.
Speaker 2: And is it twice? Yeah, I think I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: Think for like six months, yes, nineteen okay, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a loose Let those loose.
Speaker 2: That's not exactly because it's like one yeah. Anyway, But
Speaker 2: I still think that today. I still think today, even
Speaker 2: with all the advancements, I still feel like women are
Speaker 2: working and paying bills and also doing the laundry and
Speaker 2: also the grocery shopping, and also doing the homework, and
Speaker 2: also being on the pta and also trying to look
Speaker 2: good in their genes and all like it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like you really exemplified this shooting Desperate Housewives
Speaker 1: because you were filming insane hours and with fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty custody, you know, I was with my dad fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the time, but when I was with you,
Speaker 1: you really stacked your filming days so you could be
Speaker 1: as present as possible with me. And you were still
Speaker 1: making like gingerbread carousels and party favors for every kid
Speaker 1: in my class's birthday, and then driving me to school,
Speaker 1: and maybe you couldn't pick me up from school, but
Speaker 1: you were ready to meet me at your I would
Speaker 1: come at you on set, or we would meet at home,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was really spectacular to watch
Speaker 1: how you made an extraordinary job that had such taxing
Speaker 1: physical requirements and time requirements really feel like you were
Speaker 1: going to an office and then you were coming home
Speaker 1: and your first priority was still being a mom.
Speaker 2: And it's thanks, Honny.
Speaker 1: Well, you were exemplifying this idea.
Speaker 2: Were my first priority, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you were I'm right in this, right. You
Speaker 3: were the only one out of the out of the cast,
Speaker 3: out of the main cast, that was a single mom, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: The only one that was a single mom. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: and yeah, well we'll get there. Well, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: we don't get there. We don't have to have beautiful
Speaker 2: embas It was and it's it is something worth talking
Speaker 2: about in the future. And I think women who are
Speaker 2: single moms, but also I think if if you're not
Speaker 2: like I would have enjoyed having a little bit more
Speaker 2: empathy for for how difficult of a role that is.
Speaker 2: And I also think there's something to be said for
Speaker 2: looking at what divorce custody is like, only only in
Speaker 2: that you know the pressure that it puts on the
Speaker 2: time that you are with your child, because you know
Speaker 2: that there's other times that you will not be with
Speaker 2: your child. And I remember I had this. I used
Speaker 2: to always think like, well, I'll never see her on
Speaker 2: a Tuesday. And it was a weird yeah, kind of heavy.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a weird, but but you know,
Speaker 2: I only say it as an example to I like
Speaker 2: using this show as a way to continue to invite
Speaker 2: us all to be more empathetic with each other's lives,
Speaker 2: because you just never, like, you don't know what your
Speaker 2: neighbor is doing, you don't know what people are thinking,
Speaker 2: you don't know what they're going through, and it's probably
Speaker 2: not what you think it is.
Speaker 1: So so back to this episode, So, oh well, I
Speaker 1: mean exactly kind of what you're saying in terms of
Speaker 1: what we can see what we can't see. I was
Speaker 1: so struck by the very opening image. You know, we
Speaker 1: hear Mary Alice's voiceover and she's talking about what death
Speaker 1: allows us to see or not see. And I really
Speaker 1: felt like, I mean, and it would be interesting to
Speaker 1: ask if this was intended, and I feel like it
Speaker 1: was given the son Time lyrics, you know, Mark Cherry
Speaker 1: being such a fan of theater. To me, I immediately
Speaker 1: thought about Our Town and Emily's monologue. Now to be
Speaker 1: such a nerd right now, but Emily's monologue in Our Town, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when she has died and she gets to go back
Speaker 1: for a day in her life, and she says, look
Speaker 1: at everything that they're not seeing, you know, but all
Speaker 1: these moments of life, and this idea that when you
Speaker 1: die at least that's being explored right now in this episode,
Speaker 1: that you could potentially have this expanded vision, you know,
Speaker 1: of seeing into multiple lives and seeing you know, And
Speaker 1: I'm actually interested, what what do you all think happens
Speaker 1: when we die? You know? On this idea, I.
Speaker 2: Had a really interesting ayahuasca experience.
Speaker 1: That she's done it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done it. I mean, I only did it
Speaker 2: I only did it once, and it was like six
Speaker 2: years ago. And again, I mean, they're good stories, but
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 2: completely derail us. But you did ask this is why.
Speaker 2: So I'm not particularly religious. I mean, I I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily believe in that God the way organized religion does.
Speaker 2: But when I had this ayahuasca experience, I felt that
Speaker 2: I went to some place that I had been before,
Speaker 2: Like it was like a welcome back, like a homecoming,
Speaker 2: Like yes, okay, there was definitely a feeling that I
Speaker 2: was coming home like a welcome back. It was very
Speaker 2: it was very perfect energetic. It wasn't at all like
Speaker 2: technical people or anything. It was light, light and energy
Speaker 2: and felt almost mathematical or or just perfectly physics engineered,
Speaker 2: you know, flawless kind of and and so I was
Speaker 2: there and I remember thinking, wow, I really want to
Speaker 2: look around at this whole place, but I thought i'd
Speaker 2: throw up, so like I probably in real time, like
Speaker 2: I probably was sitting for like an hour, and I
Speaker 2: probably moved my head like like an inch to the left,
Speaker 2: but to me, it felt like, you know, I was
Speaker 2: like I don't know, yes, I was okay, Anyway, the
Speaker 2: feeling that I the message that I got was that
Speaker 2: you do go back to this before space, like that
Speaker 2: being alive, being a human is a miracle. It's a
Speaker 2: it's like winning the lottery. You get to taste, you
Speaker 2: get to smell, you get to love, you get to touch,
Speaker 2: you get to hear all the things that your energy
Speaker 2: can't do. But it's also really hard because we're taking
Speaker 2: this sort of flawless, flowing energy and we're cramming it
Speaker 2: into our bodies and brains, and so it doesn't like perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't work perfectly, and that's why we all
Speaker 2: struggle so much. But but you your gift is that you
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want with your life. This was
Speaker 2: the message I got. This was my takeaway. So you
Speaker 2: choose to be who you want to be in your life.
Speaker 2: That that was my afterlife.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I mean I think that's pretty that's pretty beautiful.
Speaker 2: I liked it, which is why I haven't done Iaquatska again,
Speaker 2: because I like, that's for what do you go that
Speaker 2: that's my final answer?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good that's a good answer.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think I'm still shaping
Speaker 3: mine I'm still formulating it. It changes, It's evolved a lot.
Speaker 3: For me, I would say, I am. I am a
Speaker 3: literal kind of person, you know, in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm not a dreamer, not that I'm not
Speaker 3: you know, I I but I do think that the
Speaker 3: concept of of after life is always hard, right, when
Speaker 3: you want proof of something, it's the thing, right, It's
Speaker 3: like you just have to have this trust or you
Speaker 3: have to let your brain fill in what it could
Speaker 3: be and and and not grip it too closely. But
Speaker 3: I do believe in in you know, energy not dying, right,
Speaker 3: and like energy doesn't stop. And so I feel connected
Speaker 3: a sense of connection to things that have since passed
Speaker 3: in my life that I still feel a presence of.
Speaker 3: And I don't quite know in what form that takes,
Speaker 3: but you know, I believe in that, and I believe
Speaker 3: in being open to that and welcoming that in. And
Speaker 3: I did think it was oh, no, no good. I
Speaker 3: just I thought it was beautiful that this episode started
Speaker 3: with her sort of kind of wistfully saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm gone, and I want them to see I want
Speaker 3: them to have the benefit of my perspective and makes
Speaker 3: sac Yeah, my sight. I want them to see what
Speaker 3: I can see. You know, I thought that was really.
Speaker 2: Also, just can we go back to Brenda Strong and
Speaker 2: just I mean, the voice of my is just flawless.
Speaker 2: You know that you know that she wasn't at the
Speaker 2: initial one cast? Did you know that?
Speaker 1: Wait? No, tell us this fun facts.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she initially it was Sheryl Lee. Is that
Speaker 2: who was from Twin Peaks? Yes, who was excellent? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And yeah we all saw the unaired pilot. Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I think I mean again, so this is conjecture because
Speaker 2: this is I'm not privy to what actually happened, So
Speaker 2: this is I don't really know for sure, but I
Speaker 2: think it's because possibly initially they felt like maybe there
Speaker 2: was going to be more of her on camera, like
Speaker 2: more like right, like a being precluded in the on
Speaker 2: screen like the Five of Us or whatever. And I
Speaker 2: think something must have happened to make Mark realize that
Speaker 2: more of the story was going to be told through
Speaker 2: the voiceover. I mean, Brenda still, of course appears in
Speaker 2: the show often, but most of her presence takes place
Speaker 2: through the voice and I think they just felt like
Speaker 2: the voice wasn't right and Brenda's voice certainly is right.
Speaker 1: She has such an amazing voice, and I not typically
Speaker 1: as a writer, I am sometimes shy away from being
Speaker 1: a fan of voiceover because I kind of think it's
Speaker 1: lazy storytelling. It's like, why you know, the show don't
Speaker 1: tell It feels like the exact opposite of that. However,
Speaker 1: there are certain times when voiceover works perfectly, and I
Speaker 1: think this is a really good example of when that
Speaker 1: voice carries us through these multiple lives and these multiple
Speaker 1: story lines and really feels earned.
Speaker 3: And it's because that you don't see her all the time,
Speaker 3: because if it's a voiceover, you know, I think about
Speaker 3: Sex and City and I think about Carry Bradshaw, right,
Speaker 3: and like they utilize her voiceover a lot, and I think,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a very big Sarah Diska Parker fan.
Speaker 3: I love her, and I mean she's so great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so she does that really really well. But I
Speaker 3: do think it's like you're in her head and then
Speaker 3: you're watching her, and that's a very different sort of
Speaker 3: raperience with Mary Alice. With Brenda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it works too, because the whole thing
Speaker 2: is part of figuring out the secret. So she is
Speaker 2: a very pertinent character, even though she's visibly not there
Speaker 2: very often, because the whole show is about what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and just a moment for how creepy
Speaker 1: that toy chest is. What is going on with that?
Speaker 1: I am terrified. And I know that you guys know
Speaker 1: what's going on, but you actually do not know. I'm scared.
Speaker 2: So Carlos finds almost find Gabrielle and bed with the Gardener.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which I know we talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the last episode, Andrea. I know that you and I
Speaker 1: said we were going to pick this up.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm curious what you think of the age difference
Speaker 3: dynamic between John and Gabrielle.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is and I don't I'm not normally
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. I think you're just having an
Speaker 1: organic conversation, but I did write down verbatim. Wait hold up, wait,
Speaker 1: hold up, Pama, How old is this Gardner? John? Question mark?
Speaker 1: Question mark? Question mark? He has all capital homework question mark?
Speaker 1: He lives with his all capital again mom, question mark
Speaker 1: question mark.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's too young to smoke.
Speaker 1: And young to smoke, too young to smoke, you know,
Speaker 1: arguably everyone too young.
Speaker 2: To smoke, but all I know is I definitely clocked
Speaker 2: from the beginning and had for the whole run of
Speaker 2: the whole show, Like, why is nobody calling this character
Speaker 2: out on the fact that I just slept with.
Speaker 3: The I'm curious if it comes up at all, does
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't remember if at some point, like maybe in
Speaker 3: a future episode someone from his family finds out or
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe maybe it's never addressed in that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's giving very Stacy's mom, which I love, she's got
Speaker 1: it going on. But also it does feel like when
Speaker 1: I first when I watched the pilot, I assumed he
Speaker 1: was in college college kid who was back mowing the lawns.
Speaker 1: Well Stephiel was questionable.
Speaker 3: That was another recast and I do, yeah, so the
Speaker 3: original And this is interesting to me to touch on
Speaker 3: because the original actor, an actor named Kyle Searles, who
Speaker 3: I ended up having. Uh, we were at the same
Speaker 3: screen test, he and I, and so I felt like
Speaker 3: a camaraderie with him because I remember us both being
Speaker 3: there and we both had brought like multiple outfits to
Speaker 3: test in for our roles and whatever U and so
Speaker 3: I do sort of and again it's a little bit
Speaker 3: of conjecture because of course, I can you imagine if
Speaker 3: I'd been in these decisions strange, but I do kind
Speaker 3: of remember hearing through the grape vine that part of
Speaker 3: that decision was nothing, of course, to do with his performance.
Speaker 3: He was great, but he was a very like cherub
Speaker 3: faced kind of young looking man. He looked sweet and
Speaker 3: innocent and definitely looked young. I mean, he wasn't sixteen
Speaker 3: or whatever John is supposed to be, but he looked young.
Speaker 3: And I think when they did the pilot or when
Speaker 3: they reviewed or whatever, people were like, huh, we need
Speaker 3: him to not be so young, you know, like and
Speaker 3: so obviously Jesse metcalf being a lot more like you know, hunky, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I think was an intentional choice to kind of go
Speaker 3: in that direction, and I do think it worked for
Speaker 3: the benefit of like loving Gabrielle and you know, trying
Speaker 3: to empathize with it, because other house housewives or other
Speaker 3: viewers of the audience were like, Oh my god, he's
Speaker 3: so hot, you know, yeah, versus like, oh, he looks
Speaker 3: really young. And there's a little bit.
Speaker 2: Maybe as I was a mom, like like in real life,
Speaker 2: I always kind of snagged as a person, not as
Speaker 2: an actress or being on the show, but just I
Speaker 2: think I snagged on it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I snagged on it because I mean, the
Speaker 3: difference between our characters would have only been like Julie's
Speaker 3: fourteen or something and he's a couple of years older than.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I snagged on it when they were in the
Speaker 1: childhood bedroom and he had the homework line. I think
Speaker 1: up until that point I kind of felt like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's a like one of those typical screen agers. This
Speaker 1: is actually a term I just I just love way. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a really big shout out to my assistant.
Speaker 3: So like humble brag, you have an assistant.
Speaker 1: No, oh my god, she's the best. If she's listening
Speaker 1: to this, I love you. She's wonderful. And we were
Speaker 1: talking about a project that I'm writing right now, a
Speaker 1: feature I'm writing, and she used the term screenager to
Speaker 1: describe a teenager on screen. And I had not heard
Speaker 1: this term before, but it falls into the category of
Speaker 1: when you think about like gossip Girl or Glee. I
Speaker 1: did not look anything like the people in gossip Girl
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager. I write so much younger
Speaker 1: because I was so much younger because they were all
Speaker 1: in their twenties, but they're cast as teenagers on screen
Speaker 1: and it sort of lets them get away with things
Speaker 1: I think, like having sex, like drinking, like having an
Speaker 1: affair where we go with it until we're really confronted
Speaker 1: with dialogue that actually contradicts the fact that they're not
Speaker 1: in their twenties supposedly. But this idea of a screenager,
Speaker 1: I thought he was really.
Speaker 3: Because I'm listening to you, and I'm thinking, I'm internalizing this, thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: I was a teenager on a TV show, and how
Speaker 3: did I look? And I think if somebody had given
Speaker 3: me an option to look as cool as the people
Speaker 3: on Gossip Girl, I would have picked that right, because
Speaker 3: I did not look cool.
Speaker 2: Julie, you look you look cool.
Speaker 3: And adorable, but I didn't look and you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't think I looked cool and anyway, but rewatching it,
Speaker 3: I actually really appreciate that I look like a like
Speaker 3: a real kid, you know, and I looked I was, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I have liked that.
Speaker 2: Looking back in the vein of like, I actually also
Speaker 2: look very real like and I remember, but you know
Speaker 2: I do not, Yes, you do.
Speaker 1: I know that's weird to say, but those low rise
Speaker 1: pants that God for the husband, Yeah, only you can
Speaker 1: wear those, And I wrote down that was another note.
Speaker 1: I wrote down, Susan is hot. That's my mom. That's
Speaker 1: is that weird, but she is pants.
Speaker 3: I made a note about how beautiful you look and
Speaker 3: like out and just being so struck by just your
Speaker 3: presence and like you're you're that thing of being like
Speaker 3: beautiful and hot and but also like so adorable and
Speaker 3: like and then I also wrote down Nicolat's outfits just
Speaker 3: like I wrote a little because I couldn't get over those,
Speaker 3: like like those whatever her workout ridiculous, but I was
Speaker 3: so fascinating.
Speaker 2: But I remember so my makeup artist, John John, we
Speaker 2: would always fight. I would want him to do less makeup,
Speaker 2: less makeup, less makeup, less makeup, and he would like,
Speaker 2: just let me make you look pretty, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: less makeup, less makeup, And it was really it was
Speaker 2: throughout the years, like he really wanted me to be
Speaker 2: more glamorous, and I really wanted to push the I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look like ship on purpose thing, and well you
Speaker 2: never look.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Also, Lynette had a very stressful episode episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah to be I want to hear your thoughts on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you do. And I was thinking about
Speaker 3: this because of you know, like mom guilt and also
Speaker 3: then just like the fear of being judged by you know, people,
Speaker 3: other people. This episode, it's a woman judging her, you know,
Speaker 3: and and harsh parenting or like you know, gentle parenting
Speaker 3: versus you know, this type of parenting. And I thought
Speaker 3: that was really interesting and I thought, you know, I
Speaker 3: wondered like would I do that? And I think obviously,
Speaker 3: in a in a I mean, no is the answer.
Speaker 3: But but not because I'm judging Lynette, but because I
Speaker 3: live in LA and I'm not going to love any
Speaker 3: of my you know, children on the side of the
Speaker 3: road here. But I think in a in a in
Speaker 3: a town like that, and you're just on a little
Speaker 3: side street and you're trying to you're you're desperate to
Speaker 3: you know, have them respect you and listen to you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I can see getting pushed to that, to that breaking
Speaker 3: point and then being so hurt by someone or being
Speaker 3: so enraged by someone you know.
Speaker 2: Judging you.
Speaker 1: My mom did leave me intentionally or accident, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know intentionally why I mean, I don't consciously remember this.
Speaker 2: I guess I was like two or something, but apparently
Speaker 2: the way it's been told to me, I was acting
Speaker 2: up in the grocery store at two. I don't know,
Speaker 2: can you even.
Speaker 1: Can you.
Speaker 2: Acting up? Anyway? So yeah, I guess I didn't want
Speaker 2: to get in the car or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was three, but like eight and young, yeah,
Speaker 2: really young, and she I guess she said, if you
Speaker 2: don't get in the car, I'm gonna leave you. And
Speaker 2: I didn't get in the car, and so she left.
Speaker 2: I guess she drove out of the the parking lot
Speaker 2: and maybe around the block and came back sort of
Speaker 2: similarly or whatever. I like, I said, I'm just a
Speaker 2: damaged human being. I don't actually remember this. I just
Speaker 2: but you know, when.
Speaker 3: I wonder if you did, like you might not, you know,
Speaker 3: consciously remember that experience, but I wonder if it me.
Speaker 2: And I feel like when she told me, she told
Speaker 2: me it was pride. I don't know, this is.
Speaker 1: Totally something that my grandma would say. And then I
Speaker 1: left you. You never did it again, and.
Speaker 2: Now you know why everything is wrong with me?
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I definitely felt a ton of you know, empathy
Speaker 2: for that character. I mean, I just you know that
Speaker 2: many children under six.
Speaker 3: Well made me think of my mom.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that mom is amazing.
Speaker 3: My mom is the most incredible woman. Yeah, and she
Speaker 3: loves both of you so much. And Terry spent a
Speaker 3: lot of time with my mom over the years, and yeah,
Speaker 3: my mom is really incredible. I'm youngest of six kids.
Speaker 3: My mom had all six of us in nine years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's incredible. She parented us individually, which is incredible,
Speaker 3: Like she you know, recognized our our individual needs and
Speaker 3: would adapt the way she mothered us to you know,
Speaker 3: both my parents really amazing. But yeah, I mean when
Speaker 3: she said, you know I have, however many kids under
Speaker 3: this many, of course I have anger and said that. Man,
Speaker 3: I think I laughed out loud at that point.
Speaker 2: I thought that was great.
Speaker 3: I also was a really I just asked somebody who's
Speaker 3: researching car seats and like, the appropriate way to put
Speaker 3: a baby in, how you do all these things in
Speaker 3: preparation for my baby? I was like, that baby is
Speaker 3: in the front seat, her baby and her baby's car
Speaker 3: seat is in the front passenger seat, which I guess
Speaker 3: maybe was you know, considered safe at the time, but
Speaker 3: now obviously those I feel like safety regulations have seen just.
Speaker 1: Like a year before the car seat safety regulations changed,
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw.
Speaker 3: That so something that didn't age well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yes, Penny in the front seat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyway, I remember I was that was just
Speaker 3: something that stood out to me and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: what what is that baby doing as a pastor?
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my favorite parts was the marriage counseling scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Rex with three and Rex, I mean we I jet,
Speaker 2: well I did you guys. I just love it. I again,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, Marsha, you're desperately to vote. I
Speaker 2: just I cannot get over. I just I don't know,
Speaker 2: like getting behind like the actor's eye of it, you know,
Speaker 2: like sometimes I think when you're an actor, you imagine
Speaker 2: playing a part. You know, you look at something and
Speaker 2: you just go, I wonder, how would I have done that?
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't help but do it. And I
Speaker 2: don't know, like, man, she was just it's just some
Speaker 2: combination of exactly how she looked and exactly how she
Speaker 2: moved and exactly what she sounded like.
Speaker 3: It's just so good, it's so good, and that monologue
Speaker 3: she has about Freud and well, when he brings with
Speaker 3: the therapy, you.
Speaker 2: Knows that she's a psychologist. Yeah, so I wondered if
Speaker 2: how much.
Speaker 3: Right like when he when the therapist brings it up,
Speaker 3: and she has that reaction like, oh, you know, basically saying,
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't know how I feel about
Speaker 3: about that whole thing. Because and then she goes into
Speaker 3: her inner dialogue and she she has this incredibly vulnerable,
Speaker 3: intimate moment but in front of a therapist. Right, so
Speaker 3: that setup is already so interesting, but she plays it
Speaker 3: so well, and the crux of it is like I'm invisible,
Speaker 3: I feel invisible, and no one thinks me, and that
Speaker 3: would go so far, you know. Does he ever think
Speaker 3: about the fact that I do all of these things?
Speaker 3: Is that ever acknowledged? You know? And I think that
Speaker 3: not only is that just brilliant writing and really philosophically interesting,
Speaker 3: but I also think that had to have been so
Speaker 3: relatable to so many people watching the show. I completely
Speaker 3: so many wives and mothers and people in general watching
Speaker 3: that must have felt that moment and felt you know, wow.
Speaker 2: Because even not in that exact kind of relationship position,
Speaker 2: just the feeling that so many of us feel missed,
Speaker 2: we feel unseen, we feel unheard, we feel unrecognized for
Speaker 2: who we authentically are. Like I think that is it's
Speaker 2: a very relatable pain.
Speaker 1: This is exactly I was going to say. A major
Speaker 1: theme of the episode that really stuck with me after
Speaker 1: watching it was this idea of loneliness and of all
Speaker 1: the different ways that were lonely. You know, you see
Speaker 1: Gabby be lonely in her marriage, even when she showered
Speaker 1: in gifts. You see Lynette be lonely when no one
Speaker 1: is listening to her and her kids aren't seeing her,
Speaker 1: and on her and her partner's on a business trip.
Speaker 1: You know, you see Susan feel lonely even when she's
Speaker 1: sitting across from the person that she's finally gotten closer to,
Speaker 1: because now another woman is there and that presence feels different.
Speaker 1: And I just I feel like Breeze character really brings
Speaker 1: that up in such an interesting way. And then all
Speaker 1: the ways that the various characters respond in the face
Speaker 1: of that loneliness. You know, what do we do we
Speaker 1: leave our kids on the side of the road, do
Speaker 1: we raise our voices, do we have an affair, do
Speaker 1: we have an affair, do we, you know.
Speaker 2: Pull out our sewing kit and madly sew anything that
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 1: See exactly to exactly And what are all the ways
Speaker 1: that we seek control?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm really interested as someone who's watching
Speaker 1: the show for the first time, I'm really interested in
Speaker 1: Breeze character and what that backstory is on why she
Speaker 1: feels the need to have so much control or is
Speaker 1: it control or is it just trying to be seen
Speaker 1: well by being a perfection?
Speaker 2: He says, I miss the girl. Where's the girl that
Speaker 2: I fell in love with that drank milk out of
Speaker 2: the milk carton?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I forget the other example, but.
Speaker 1: It's such a care free woman that we don't see.
Speaker 2: I actually found myself going, yeah, where is that person?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: I actually can't interesting? Like I love what she's doing
Speaker 2: as an actress, and I love the way the character
Speaker 2: is written on the page. But I am a little
Speaker 2: mystified with the I guess this dichotomy the right word
Speaker 2: or the juxtaposition of like it's hard for me to
Speaker 2: imagine ever drinking milk out of a milk carton? Right,
Speaker 2: what's hard for me to imagine what happened to make
Speaker 2: her not be that person, so that will be I
Speaker 2: don't remember if that if we really ever get that answer.
Speaker 2: I wonder if if she as an actress, had to
Speaker 2: answer that for herself. I mean, I'm sure that she did.
Speaker 2: She's a talented person, so I'm sure she had figured
Speaker 2: that out. But I found myself being like, those don't
Speaker 2: add up to me.
Speaker 1: I had that same question. I actually literally wrote down
Speaker 1: trauma question mark. It seems like some huge traumatic event
Speaker 1: that I would love as a storyteller to hopefully, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's going, but to maybe understand
Speaker 1: like where did the split occur and why and.
Speaker 3: What is the impetus for why she feels this need
Speaker 3: to be perfect all the time and you know, pristine
Speaker 3: all the time and presentational that the you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean the facade she puts up and the inner
Speaker 3: life she's clearly having is fascinating. And I don't remember either.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to watch episode.
Speaker 1: It is and there's so much to say about this
Speaker 1: as women.
Speaker 2: And if you asked me, or somebody asked me if
Speaker 2: I watched it in real time, I did. And I
Speaker 2: think one of the reasons I did watch it is
Speaker 2: because I always used to say this that like it
Speaker 2: was like being in a show that I wasn't in,
Speaker 2: because there were you know, you would obviously you would
Speaker 2: read the script at the beginning, so you would know
Speaker 2: everything that was happening. But I wasn't there when they
Speaker 2: were shooting that marriage scene or the get the car scene,
Speaker 2: or the pullover on the side of the road, saying
Speaker 2: I never saw anyone do any of that work, just
Speaker 2: like they didn't see me do my work. And we
Speaker 2: did always have these poker scenes where the characters would
Speaker 2: kind of end up together, but often there was a
Speaker 2: lot of it happening separate storylines, and so it was
Speaker 2: like a big giant surprise treat to get to watch
Speaker 2: what these fellow actors were doing when you weren't there,
Speaker 2: and they're all so good that it was like watching
Speaker 2: a show that you weren't in. Okay, so I also
Speaker 2: got I thought, so Gabby's reaction to the car Emerson
Speaker 2: knows this about me. I have always had a fantasy
Speaker 2: of someone surprising me with a car with a big
Speaker 2: bow on it in the driveway.
Speaker 1: And I think I inherited that.
Speaker 2: I want you to do that for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I feel like I'm somehow responsible to get
Speaker 3: you both the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where's our car? Andrew the podcast My car
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that never. I I really always wanted that, And
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it goes bigger into understanding, like, well,
Speaker 2: we talked about it a little bit like gifts is
Speaker 2: gifts gifts a way that you show love or and
Speaker 2: I know it's not like the way, and it's not
Speaker 2: even necessarily like a good way. It's but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think in my imagination, I just always thought that
Speaker 2: i'd be very special or valuable or something if somebody
Speaker 2: did that for me. So I guess even though within
Speaker 2: the Carlos and Gabby relationship, I think it's bad. I
Speaker 2: mean I think it's I think I think clearly something's
Speaker 2: wrong with their relationship. That that's what made her so happy,
Speaker 2: you know, And but even you can see she actually
Speaker 2: preferred the roads Rose Yeah. Yeah, but I I guess
Speaker 2: I guess I related to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is that whimsical fantasy of yeah, I
Speaker 1: get that, of.
Speaker 3: Walking out the front door and yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring up Carlos and Gabby's relationship because
Speaker 1: I also was struck. I mean, of course they have
Speaker 1: a very imperfect marriage that you know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: the last time when we walked the pilot, but I
Speaker 1: felt in this episode and I was curious what you thought.
Speaker 1: Carlos was very problematic to me, the way that he
Speaker 1: behaved and the portrayal of an acceptable marriage, And I
Speaker 1: was wondering how his marriage with Gabby sat today, because
Speaker 1: there were some places in this episode where he was
Speaker 1: actually like a bit physically forceful and violent and kind
Speaker 1: of grabbed her wrist and felt very intimidating in a
Speaker 1: way that I, you know, I certainly hope we never
Speaker 1: are putting up with, but I feel like, especially right now,
Speaker 1: felt a bit shocking. I thought, oh my god, that's fine.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's so amazing about the show
Speaker 2: that in its time they were willing to do that.
Speaker 2: They were because that is scary, and I'm sure that
Speaker 2: there were people even at the time that watched it
Speaker 2: that were like, that's that's that's not cool.
Speaker 3: Something more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the flip side of that is in terms
Speaker 2: of the daringness and sort of the edge of the show.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you got to remember, this is
Speaker 2: on ABC at nine o'clock on Sundays, which, again, as
Speaker 2: I said in the last episode, you know I think
Speaker 2: was the definitive place to put it. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't on HBO, it wasn't on a streaming network because
Speaker 2: they didn't exist yet. You know, it wasn't in the
Speaker 2: places where you're more likely to see a relationship like that.
Speaker 2: So to put that on ABC, that was a big deal.
Speaker 2: But the flip side of that is seeing the gardener's
Speaker 2: naked ass. Yeah, outside that reveal.
Speaker 3: Him going like, oh, you know, did John come today?
Speaker 3: And he's all heated, and then he's like hey, mister
Speaker 3: Solis and he's trimming the hedges and then they do
Speaker 3: you pan out the window and you just see his
Speaker 3: little I mean.
Speaker 2: That is You're right, like, oh, it's really it was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really did.
Speaker 3: And the rose thing that scene, Okay, So I just
Speaker 3: because we were talking about when when you and Gabrielle
Speaker 3: come in the house and I guess you were maybe
Speaker 3: shopping or something and you come in and at the
Speaker 3: very end of the scene you mentioned the rose, which
Speaker 3: is why I'm thinking of the scene because you say like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's such a beautiful rose, and she has to think quickly,
Speaker 3: like because you say like where'd you get it or something,
Speaker 3: and she has to think on her toes to hate
Speaker 3: so much, right, yeah, yeah, and so but you have
Speaker 3: that line because of course we have to talk about
Speaker 3: the dinner scene, which I'm you know we'll get to,
Speaker 3: but the dinner date scene. Yeah, but you have that
Speaker 3: line of figuring out how you're going to time out
Speaker 3: your arrival with Edie's arrival, and you say, well, what
Speaker 3: do you say? I wrote it down because I have
Speaker 3: to get it perfect, because it was just such a
Speaker 3: great line, which was Edie will get there at five
Speaker 3: forty five, which means her breasts will be there at
Speaker 3: five thirty, so I should get there at five. The
Speaker 3: line and the delivery of that line, bravo. That was
Speaker 3: so good. I thought that was so so funny, and
Speaker 3: it was just like such a standout moment in the
Speaker 3: eye told to.
Speaker 2: Me every time you know, you bring up this specificity
Speaker 2: of like these lines or the I mean, it's the
Speaker 2: complimentary weaving of character development with mystery revelations.
Speaker 1: It's really special.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just have to keep tipping your hat
Speaker 2: to Mark Cherry not only for that, but for basically
Speaker 2: bringing back and the word housewives into the zeitgeist to
Speaker 2: the point where lots of other people made a ton
Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, off of the word housewives, you know,
Speaker 2: and that was all him.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are This is funny, and I bet
Speaker 3: that I'm sure this happens to you. You know, when
Speaker 3: when people will reference like if somebody if I'm out
Speaker 3: and someone recognizes me or whatever, and someone says, oh,
Speaker 3: well she is you know, she was on Desperate Housewives,
Speaker 3: sometimes this happens where someone assumes that's part of the
Speaker 3: Real Housewives friendship.
Speaker 1: I have had the same thing happening.
Speaker 3: They don't even know, you know, if it's a younger person,
Speaker 3: they don't know what desert houses. They're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: and they're like what your what reality show? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, very different things. But I always think
Speaker 3: it's hysterical because I am a big Bravo fan. But
Speaker 3: I was also I'm always like, okay, that's crazy to
Speaker 3: picture me on any of those shows. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but there are people out there who probably think you
Speaker 3: are on one of those shows and not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would not have enough drama to be
Speaker 1: on one of their shows. Although Desperate Housewives does have enough.
Speaker 2: Drama, Desperate Housewives just have enough drama. No, I, I
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't think they ever actually asked me.
Speaker 2: I feel I would. I mean, it's I but I
Speaker 2: there was one moment where we talked for a second
Speaker 2: and I and I said, I I nothing nothing. All
Speaker 2: I do is clean cat litter boxes and and and like,
Speaker 2: you know, take out the garbage. Like there's a I
Speaker 2: don't do any of this fancy ship that these people do,
Speaker 2: Like I wear sweats all day and I clean litter boxes.
Speaker 2: That's my exciting life. Now needs to film that.
Speaker 3: But then that makes me think of you know, you
Speaker 3: in advance of your date with Mike when you go
Speaker 3: out in your robe, Yeah you can, Yeah, And you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't want to see him before I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: be ready to see him. And I thought that was
Speaker 3: so cute.
Speaker 2: I have more on Mike, do you well?
Speaker 1: I gonna I had more on trash? Okay, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because I know and maybe maybe we can make this
Speaker 1: a thing. The Most Savage Line Award goes to again
Speaker 1: classic Missus Hooper.
Speaker 3: Edie.
Speaker 1: Maybe trash, but she's still a human being.
Speaker 3: Christine Nestbrook and she's another theater person's friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like she was in Spring Awakening your show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but anyway, yeah, you're right. I mean that line is.
Speaker 1: Like delivered so well. And as you mentioned, Andrew, they're
Speaker 1: they're friendship with each other. And again it is her
Speaker 1: Missus Hooper's p assistance to be a nosy neighbor when
Speaker 1: she when Edie doesn't even care about finding the measuring cup,
Speaker 1: and then she is the one who keeps it. And
Speaker 1: then when she runs into you and she finds the
Speaker 1: new measuring cup and oh my god, I was like,
Speaker 1: Susan is such a little gas Later in this moment
Speaker 1: when you ask her where the measuring cup is before
Speaker 1: she buys a new one, I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 2: But this scene, this is where I caught a mistake.
Speaker 2: At least I think I bought a mistake. Which this
Speaker 2: scene with the with the where you are with Missus
Speaker 2: Hooper and she finds, yes, a measuring cup in your bag.
Speaker 2: So she comes over and she says, I want to
Speaker 2: get the clothes from from Susan, right, And you say, oh,
Speaker 2: she's not here. She's with Missus van DeCamp and I
Speaker 2: was not. We were with Gabby. I was shopping.
Speaker 3: You were shopping.
Speaker 2: I was shopping. And then I had to wonder, like,
Speaker 2: did I lie to you and say I was gonna
Speaker 2: go make muffins? But instead I bought my one little
Speaker 2: bag of whatever the hell bag your date that I
Speaker 2: think maybe you did, and my little very little fancy
Speaker 2: it's like an edible g strings in my little bag.
Speaker 1: That is way too risky for Susan. Wait, okay, but
Speaker 1: we do have to talk about the date because that
Speaker 1: is kind of the crowning jewel.
Speaker 2: Well, and plus this is what's sitting in front of it.
Speaker 1: Plus wait one second, okay, look at what I have.
Speaker 1: This is the purse that you carry over to Mike's
Speaker 1: house during the date. Which have that because of my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm herself.
Speaker 2: Department was lacking.
Speaker 3: It was happening behind the seas bringing in her own.
Speaker 1: Clothes, and I just inherited this purse as you over
Speaker 1: the year as well, aftersper housewives were cleaning out your closet.
Speaker 1: I actually went and I went to take it here.
Speaker 1: I opened it up and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: actually used her, and I was like, God, I wish
Speaker 1: my mother's my little my little tiny Uh god, no,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, well, sometimes I like to take my
Speaker 1: notes when I'm working on a project.
Speaker 3: A poly pocket. Why don't you have a regular size.
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't fit in this purse. I have different
Speaker 1: size notebooks for different for different verses, and I always
Speaker 1: carry around in every purse a pen and a notebook,
Speaker 1: and that's how I know it's a person I'm actually using.
Speaker 1: So I I'm very glad I didn't throw it out,
Speaker 1: and I'm very glad that you have it.
Speaker 2: And I was very glad to see it on screen
Speaker 2: because I was like, that's my purse. But I have
Speaker 2: no recollection as to why. So I can buy that
Speaker 2: I wore the little penny heart Saint Christopher necklace. I
Speaker 2: can buy that there was some part of me that
Speaker 2: may have wanted some touchstone of reality or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I can buy that the purse. I just
Speaker 2: feel like I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't one of the first.
Speaker 2: Why I would have brought that or how that happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would maybe we'll have to get somebody from the wardrobe.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you had like condoms or something in there.
Speaker 1: I know, I just in case the datement really want?
Speaker 2: Is it the second podcast episode and I'm already talking
Speaker 2: about how long it's been since I.
Speaker 1: You said that. I did not. I said nothing about that.
Speaker 1: I was talking about Susan literally.
Speaker 3: Susan line in the first episode, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's your line, So I did.
Speaker 2: Really, you were talking about my jeans, which I cannot believe.
Speaker 2: I can't. First of all, I can't believe you think
Speaker 2: that that's hot. And also we're not the only one
Speaker 2: everybody thinks.
Speaker 1: Do you see fashion today? Everyone wants to be able
Speaker 1: to wear those greens serious.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wear them anymore, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But I could.
Speaker 2: But I certainly that green skirt that I wore over
Speaker 2: to the MIC date, and I don't think that was mine.
Speaker 2: I think that actually came from a wardrobe.
Speaker 3: So I did.
Speaker 2: I did like that. No, So the the cake, So
Speaker 2: every episode we're bringing food from uh the show, and
Speaker 2: this is a little bit more obscure. So the macaroni
Speaker 2: cheese was very obvious.
Speaker 3: About the cakes. So the cake is it's being beautiful
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 2: Go into the date scenes. So there in Mike's house
Speaker 2: and everyone is around the table eating and there are
Speaker 2: a couple of angles where you can see back into
Speaker 2: the kitchen and in the kitchen out is slices of
Speaker 2: a white cake with strawberries. Wow, and nobody ever eats it.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what Susan says, I'm gonna go get the
Speaker 1: cake when she sees the gravy and puts it on herself.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And so that's where you see the cake.
Speaker 2: Nobody ever eats it, but it's there in the shot.
Speaker 2: And I was and I thought, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make. I'm going to make a cake. So this
Speaker 2: is I have become Instagram friends with a woman. She
Speaker 2: has an app called Passion for Baking, Okay, and this
Speaker 2: is you guys were talking about ASMR. She has this
Speaker 2: voice and she just like whips the stuff up and
Speaker 2: she talks about how you take your Also, I guess
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it, but I do. So I dm'ed
Speaker 2: her like you know, I'm a Fanda da da. So
Speaker 2: we've kind of over the last little bit of time,
Speaker 2: I've been sort of going back and forth, and so
Speaker 2: I finally downloaded her app and I thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to make one of her cakes.
Speaker 2: So because I cook a lot, Yeah, you do. But
Speaker 2: baking is I mean, I'm a good baker. I've gone
Speaker 2: on some of those baking shows and I've won and
Speaker 2: I've done you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But I don't love it good.
Speaker 2: I don't think I love it anymore. Baking, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: for some reason, I just don't love it anyways. This
Speaker 2: is a three layers of a white sponge cake. Within
Speaker 2: the middle of it is a Greek yogurt cream roasted
Speaker 2: strawberry moose with fresh strawberries, and then that is sort
Speaker 2: of a vanilla marshmallow icing.
Speaker 1: Oh my goshunds like something that Bree would actually make.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think maybe one thing people will get
Speaker 2: out of this podcast is that I should never have
Speaker 2: played Bree because nobody could play it better than Marsha.
Speaker 2: But the cooking part of it, yes, is definitely me.
Speaker 2: It was definitely me. I actually remember Marcia always wanted
Speaker 2: me to teach her to make my roast chicken, which
Speaker 2: remember how I used to make really perfect roast chicken
Speaker 2: and I never did that. Like, just talk quickly about
Speaker 2: the the dating scene, because one thing for me of
Speaker 2: where it resolves, I did not realize that Mike had
Speaker 2: a dead wife. I'd forgotten that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that piece of information was dropped as early
Speaker 2: as the second episode, right, and that that.
Speaker 3: Informs the development of your relationship or your willingness to
Speaker 3: like go after him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I remembered that he had an like a
Speaker 3: dead wife widow. I don't know, but I didn't remember
Speaker 3: because at first, I will say, I thought his reaction
Speaker 3: was so weird. It was so abrupt, how kind of
Speaker 3: snippy he was with you when you were like, oh,
Speaker 3: can I do anything? And He's like no, And I
Speaker 3: was like, Mike, whoa dude. But then obviously it paid
Speaker 3: off in the next scene when he explains you know
Speaker 3: what happened, and he kind of takes ownership ownership of
Speaker 3: it and apologizes for it and brings you guys closer
Speaker 3: and all that. But I I thought the dynamic of
Speaker 3: that scene was so funny. And you obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: wiping that gravy behind her ear. It's and you look
Speaker 3: so proud when you come out of the kitchen, like, oh,
Speaker 3: look at me with my cute little idea and nobody
Speaker 3: knows that fires so quickly. Look look at Bongo likes me.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. It's just so funny, but I did think,
Speaker 3: just kind of in a broader way, like, uh, okay,
Speaker 3: you had initially planned on using Julia as like a decoy,
Speaker 3: and then you were going to say, okay, you have
Speaker 3: something else here. You come down with something right, like
Speaker 3: Julie's sick, so she can't make it, and then Edie
Speaker 3: crashes the date, and so then I end up coming.
Speaker 3: And I was just thinking about like dates gone wrong,
Speaker 3: and I want to to know if you or you
Speaker 3: have had a hilarious or not so hilarious date gone
Speaker 3: wrong story you feel like sharing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, think about that. Yay, oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm completely put on the spot. I thought
Speaker 1: that she was going to have an answer about about
Speaker 1: a date gone wrong. Okay, I do not have. This
Speaker 1: is it never made its way all the way to
Speaker 1: a date. Okay, but this is actually a good story
Speaker 1: and it's the closest thing I have to a date
Speaker 1: gone wrong. Okay. So this is maybe a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago. I had just gotten out of a
Speaker 1: relationship and I was single, and I downloaded Hinge for
Speaker 1: the first time. I wow, I know I'd never had
Speaker 1: a dating app Ever, I just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't have one in college. I didn't have an after college.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I want to actually
Speaker 1: maximize and enjoy being single, and I have this dating app,
Speaker 1: and honestly, lesbian hinge in Los Angeles is like, you
Speaker 1: know every it's the same seven people that really yeah,
Speaker 1: you all go to the same coffee shop on the
Speaker 1: East Side and you're like, oh, I recognize everybody here.
Speaker 1: So there's kind of a feeling of like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is not just yeah, it's not just random strange. But
Speaker 1: I still I was cautious. I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give my number just out to anybody. And
Speaker 1: one person I matched with I knew, I didn't know personally,
Speaker 1: but we had a mutual friend who I trust and like,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the things I said to her.
Speaker 1: I messaged her and I was like, oh, hey, I
Speaker 1: see that we both know so and so, and we
Speaker 1: very quickly said she asked, oh, what's her number, I'll
Speaker 1: text you, we'll figure out a time to go out.
Speaker 1: And I gave her my number and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's the only person that I would give my number
Speaker 1: two because that's that. And about a day later, I
Speaker 1: get a text that says guess who, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I hope this isn't the beginning of like a horror movie.
Speaker 1: But I I'm like, oh god, I'm so nervous that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess wrong. But I kind of was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna guess wrong because I only give my
Speaker 1: number to one person, and so I guess I say
Speaker 1: is your name? And the person writes back something like
Speaker 1: nailed it. And we kind of have this like flirty
Speaker 1: exchange where we're kind of joking about the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm not actually texting the person that I think I'm texting,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, she's so funny.
Speaker 2: She's so witty.
Speaker 1: We're committing to the bit. She's like, oh, is this
Speaker 1: so and so from Farmers Only or Christian Mingle? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, and like she's hilarious. We
Speaker 1: have such good banter. I say, obviously it's from Farmers Only,
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, you know, I'm out of town
Speaker 1: for a little bit. We set up a time to
Speaker 1: go on a date and she's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: hope that farmer so and so, you know, ends up
Speaker 1: smelling bad. And I'm like, oh haha, I'm very forgiving,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure I'll give her another chance. And then
Speaker 1: I go on to tell quite a few people like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm having such a fun, flirty texting
Speaker 1: exchange with this person. I'm really excited to go on
Speaker 1: a date with her. And then later that night I
Speaker 1: get a text that's like, hey, it's so and so.
Speaker 1: Here's my number, and it's from a different number number,
Speaker 1: and it's not the number I've been texting, and I
Speaker 1: realized I had given my number out to one other
Speaker 1: person on hinge because we were both from l A
Speaker 1: and we'd connected over it.
Speaker 3: You did have.
Speaker 1: I did have legitimate flirty banter with someone else, but
Speaker 1: I I mean, we matched, but it was someone that
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking. I feel like I already knew.
Speaker 1: And I did end up going on a date with
Speaker 1: the the person I thought that I was texting, and
Speaker 1: I have to say it was a little I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, this was not who I thought I had.
Speaker 1: All this witty, lovely but it was. And then I
Speaker 1: never ended up seeing the other person because by the
Speaker 1: time that she got back in town, I'd gone on
Speaker 1: a date with my now girlfriend, and then we just
Speaker 1: never worked exactly and you haul, but that was as
Speaker 1: close as I have to almost.
Speaker 2: For me, I'd have to date to have bad day
Speaker 2: stories and years and years and years. Okay, so I'll
Speaker 2: let you know if he us posted you guys. I
Speaker 2: think that was another fabulous art episode and our I
Speaker 2: loved episode two the show, and I loved episode two
Speaker 2: of I love getting to see you guys, and I
Speaker 2: would say let them eat cake. So yeah, I hope,
Speaker 2: as always said, everybody enjoyed this. And if you want
Speaker 2: to reach out to us, we definitely want to hear
Speaker 2: what you have to say. We want to answer your
Speaker 2: questions about behind the scenes or anything else you think
Speaker 2: you might need to know about life or relationships. And
Speaker 2: we're going to do that because we're desperately
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.