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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives.

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Speaker 2: Rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter

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Speaker 2: Andrea Bowen, and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're bad.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the craziest thing happened to me on my way

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Speaker 2: over here. I wonder if this ever happens to you guys,

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Speaker 2: because I think it says so much about people. So

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Speaker 2: I get on the freeway. When I get on the freeway,

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Speaker 2: I have to do that thing where you have to

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Speaker 2: get over four lanes to the left, like in less

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Speaker 2: than half a mile, because your your exit's going to

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Speaker 2: be over there. So you have your blinker on, and

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Speaker 2: you know, people let you usually don't, so this don't

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Speaker 2: let you in. So this one woman like it's the thing.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing that bothers me. This is the thing.

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Speaker 2: So she's back far enough that like she could have

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Speaker 2: let me, you know, like, and I've got my blinker on,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like great, but she purposefully accelerates to not

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Speaker 2: let me in. And you know, she was driving an

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Speaker 2: Audi e Tron. And then I talked to myself in

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Speaker 2: the car for like five minutes. I talked to her,

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Speaker 2: and I talked to myself and I say, like, do

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Speaker 2: you feel good about yourself because you didn't let me in?

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Speaker 2: You and your e tron? Did you feel so good?

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Speaker 2: And your fancy Audi e tron? You just you didn't

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Speaker 2: let me in and you got you didn't let me in.

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Speaker 2: And it just made me think like about people deeply

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Speaker 2: and and like how these little things represent who they are.

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Speaker 2: And I guess the reason I'm telling you that is

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Speaker 2: because this we're talking about the second episode of Desperate

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Speaker 2: Housewives today and which is called Knee, which is a it.

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Speaker 1: Is a stupid song time lyric.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the show Follies. It aired on October tenth, two

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Speaker 3: thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: You guys did follies in high school.

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Speaker 1: We actually did falsettos.

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Speaker 3: Oh you did?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeahkay yeah close.

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Speaker 1: And you were saying that Mark Cherry was a huge

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Speaker 1: some time. He was as all good people are, totally

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Speaker 1: as am I.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, this, my whole etron Audi cutter off or

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Speaker 2: not nice driver person made me think about sort of

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Speaker 2: the one of one of the themes I thought of

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Speaker 2: this episode is I think it's a bree line. How

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Speaker 2: much do we really know about our neighbors and how

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Speaker 2: much do we want to know? But how how do

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Speaker 2: we how much do we know our neighbors? And I

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Speaker 2: actually had a very interesting Los Angeles experience happened in

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Speaker 2: my neighborhood over COVID. So I've lived in the same

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Speaker 2: house for over twenty years and I have never known

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Speaker 2: any of my neighbors. The only time any neighbors spoke

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Speaker 2: to each other, this was many, many, many years ago.

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Speaker 2: George Clooney used to live up the top of my

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Speaker 3: What a shame he didn't know him.

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Speaker 2: Wow, this is different podcast. Okay, we'll get we'll get there. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So in my driveway, my driveway up the hill was

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Speaker 2: the last driveway you could get close that the Secret

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Speaker 2: he was having a big fundraiser for Obama. So all

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Speaker 2: the neighbors, we all of course wanted to see Obama

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Speaker 2: drive by in the motorcade, but you couldn't stand in

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Speaker 2: to be in a driveway, you couldn't be in the street.

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Speaker 2: So my driveway, all these neighbors who I didn't know,

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Speaker 2: nobody knew each other.

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Speaker 1: I remember this. Yeah, I know what you're gonna say.

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Speaker 1: I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Stood in the driveway together at midnight, waiting in the

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Speaker 2: millisecond to feel like we waved to Obama as do

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Speaker 2: you remember this?

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Speaker 1: I totally remember this. Now, she's a super wide driveway.

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Speaker 1: You've been over to the house, and yeah, all the

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Speaker 2: There anyway, so I never knew anybody. And then COVID happened,

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Speaker 2: and so we were out much more, walking our dogs walking.

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Speaker 2: I started to meet people walking, and we started to realize, oh,

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Speaker 2: So we started a neighborhood. We call ourselves the names.

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Speaker 2: now I know, and I mean I know, like I

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Speaker 2: So do you guys know your neighbors? Do you know

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know. I love just witnessing from afar

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Speaker 1: the relationship you've developed with your neighbors, because I think

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It makes me feel as your daughter

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Speaker 2: You're dead desperately, the next single alone mother isn't quite

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Speaker 3: She's got back up.

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Speaker 1: Not what I was gonna say, no, but that there's

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Speaker 1: this larger community, because I think that's what we all

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Speaker 1: I live downtown and in our building, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: neighbors and we're all part of the neighborhood package rescue

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, I have your It is nice. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you're like waiting for the package and they take it

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Speaker 1: get to know them. But this is where I'm being

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Speaker 1: a nosy neighbor because our bedroom share a wall, and

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Speaker 1: I hear them fighting sometimes. And then I also heard

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Speaker 1: them having sex.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we were going to say me too, I did too.

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Speaker 1: Well, I also heard I heard. Well. See, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I know everything about their relationship. They started off

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Speaker 3: Let's see, Well, we my husband Josh, and I moved

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Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year, and so you know,

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Speaker 3: we're getting to know our neighbors. But actually one of

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Speaker 3: our neighbors did a very neighborly thing. When we moved

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Speaker 3: he happened to mention that he was a contractor as well,

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Speaker 3: the time, you know, And and he said, our neighborhoods

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Speaker 3: think of you. And when we when I went trick

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Speaker 3: he's phenomenal and uh and he gave he was one

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Speaker 1: So that's so sweet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nicee.

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Speaker 2: Maybe COVID made people become better neighbors.

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Speaker 1: I hope we're getting a return.

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Speaker 3: I'm scared of each other, but also better neighbors.

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Speaker 1: Because we were afraid of each other.

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Speaker 2: I guess if one of them was you know, bearing

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Speaker 2: Maybe I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you wouldn't know them. How well do we

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Speaker 3: really know him? Yeah? Did you say I got chills

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Speaker 3: hearing that line? Yeah, because I do remember obviously that

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Speaker 3: You know? And it's just it was succinct and it

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So should we start at the top, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean well, I had a question just before we

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Speaker 1: long for the two of you, Andrew and my mom and.

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Speaker 2: My mom's mom and also.

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Speaker 1: Terry and also Terry Erry, missus pat how long was

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Speaker 1: it in between when you filmed the pilot and when

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Speaker 3: Episode six inches for me? Wait what I The reason

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Speaker 3: I say that is because I remember Mark Cherry telling

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Speaker 3: Now, I didn't even catch that, okay, So anyway.

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Speaker 2: We got to get our minds out of the gun.

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Speaker 3: He said, Yeah, he said don't grow and uh, and

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Speaker 2: What I recall and usually how pilot season at the time.

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Speaker 2: This again, things have changed in Hollywood at the time

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Speaker 1: I remember this. Yeah, this is before I was into

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Speaker 1: the beach. All I wanted to do was play old

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Speaker 2: And do you remember I got you that that woman

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Speaker 2: helped you oil paint and you paint and that's still

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Speaker 2: about all that that. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, so yes, we

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's just based on what the usual pattern is.

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Speaker 2: That's not so it was that much time. But if

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Speaker 2: you notice, things did change, like the billing changed bycocked.

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Speaker 3: The billing changes also just because well one, I was

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Speaker 3: very attached to my initial placement, well it stayed. It

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Speaker 3: good opening credits it really, I know, I really want

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Speaker 1: what's going on, but you actually do not know. I'm scared.

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00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: So Carlos finds almost find Gabrielle and bed with the Gardener.

437
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which I know we talked a lot about

438
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: the last episode, Andrea. I know that you and I

439
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: said we were going to pick this up.

440
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm curious what you think of the age difference

441
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: dynamic between John and Gabrielle.

442
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is and I don't I'm not normally

443
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. I think you're just having an

444
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: organic conversation, but I did write down verbatim. Wait hold up, wait,

445
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: hold up, Pama, How old is this Gardner? John? Question mark?

446
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Question mark? Question mark? He has all capital homework question mark?

447
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: He lives with his all capital again mom, question mark

448
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: question mark.

449
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's too young to smoke.

450
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: And young to smoke, too young to smoke, you know,

451
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: arguably everyone too young.

452
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: To smoke, but all I know is I definitely clocked

453
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: from the beginning and had for the whole run of

454
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: the whole show, Like, why is nobody calling this character

455
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: out on the fact that I just slept with.

456
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: The I'm curious if it comes up at all, does

457
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: I don't.

458
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

459
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: I don't remember if at some point, like maybe in

460
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 3: a future episode someone from his family finds out or

461
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe maybe it's never addressed in that way.

462
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.

463
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: It's giving very Stacy's mom, which I love, she's got

464
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: it going on. But also it does feel like when

465
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: I first when I watched the pilot, I assumed he

466
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: was in college college kid who was back mowing the lawns.

467
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: Well Stephiel was questionable.

468
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 3: That was another recast and I do, yeah, so the

469
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 3: original And this is interesting to me to touch on

470
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: because the original actor, an actor named Kyle Searles, who

471
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: I ended up having. Uh, we were at the same

472
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 3: screen test, he and I, and so I felt like

473
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: a camaraderie with him because I remember us both being

474
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: there and we both had brought like multiple outfits to

475
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: test in for our roles and whatever U and so

476
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: I do sort of and again it's a little bit

477
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: of conjecture because of course, I can you imagine if

478
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: I'd been in these decisions strange, but I do kind

479
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: of remember hearing through the grape vine that part of

480
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 3: that decision was nothing, of course, to do with his performance.

481
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: He was great, but he was a very like cherub

482
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: faced kind of young looking man. He looked sweet and

483
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: innocent and definitely looked young. I mean, he wasn't sixteen

484
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: or whatever John is supposed to be, but he looked young.

485
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: And I think when they did the pilot or when

486
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: they reviewed or whatever, people were like, huh, we need

487
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: him to not be so young, you know, like and

488
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: so obviously Jesse metcalf being a lot more like you know, hunky, yeah, exactly.

489
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: I think was an intentional choice to kind of go

490
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: in that direction, and I do think it worked for

491
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: the benefit of like loving Gabrielle and you know, trying

492
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: to empathize with it, because other house housewives or other

493
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: viewers of the audience were like, Oh my god, he's

494
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: so hot, you know, yeah, versus like, oh, he looks

495
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: really young. And there's a little bit.

496
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: Maybe as I was a mom, like like in real life,

497
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: I always kind of snagged as a person, not as

498
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: an actress or being on the show, but just I

499
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 2: think I snagged on it a little bit.

500
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I snagged on it because I mean, the

501
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: difference between our characters would have only been like Julie's

502
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 3: fourteen or something and he's a couple of years older than.

503
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I snagged on it when they were in the

504
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: childhood bedroom and he had the homework line. I think

505
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: up until that point I kind of felt like, Oh,

506
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: he's a like one of those typical screen agers. This

507
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: is actually a term I just I just love way. Okay,

508
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: this is a really big shout out to my assistant.

509
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 3: So like humble brag, you have an assistant.

510
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: No, oh my god, she's the best. If she's listening

511
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: to this, I love you. She's wonderful. And we were

512
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: talking about a project that I'm writing right now, a

513
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: feature I'm writing, and she used the term screenager to

514
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: describe a teenager on screen. And I had not heard

515
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: this term before, but it falls into the category of

516
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: when you think about like gossip Girl or Glee. I

517
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: did not look anything like the people in gossip Girl

518
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager. I write so much younger

519
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: because I was so much younger because they were all

520
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: in their twenties, but they're cast as teenagers on screen

521
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: and it sort of lets them get away with things

522
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: I think, like having sex, like drinking, like having an

523
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: affair where we go with it until we're really confronted

524
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: with dialogue that actually contradicts the fact that they're not

525
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: in their twenties supposedly. But this idea of a screenager,

526
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was really.

527
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: Because I'm listening to you, and I'm thinking, I'm internalizing this, thinking, Okay,

528
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: I was a teenager on a TV show, and how

529
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: did I look? And I think if somebody had given

530
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: me an option to look as cool as the people

531
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: on Gossip Girl, I would have picked that right, because

532
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: I did not look cool.

533
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Julie, you look you look cool.

534
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: And adorable, but I didn't look and you know, I

535
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: didn't think I looked cool and anyway, but rewatching it,

536
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: I actually really appreciate that I look like a like

537
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: a real kid, you know, and I looked I was, yeah,

538
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: and I have liked that.

539
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: Looking back in the vein of like, I actually also

540
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: look very real like and I remember, but you know

541
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: I do not, Yes, you do.

542
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I know that's weird to say, but those low rise

543
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: pants that God for the husband, Yeah, only you can

544
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: wear those, And I wrote down that was another note.

545
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: I wrote down, Susan is hot. That's my mom. That's

546
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: is that weird, but she is pants.

547
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: I made a note about how beautiful you look and

548
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: like out and just being so struck by just your

549
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: presence and like you're you're that thing of being like

550
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: beautiful and hot and but also like so adorable and

551
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: like and then I also wrote down Nicolat's outfits just

552
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: like I wrote a little because I couldn't get over those,

553
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: like like those whatever her workout ridiculous, but I was

554
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: so fascinating.

555
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: But I remember so my makeup artist, John John, we

556
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: would always fight. I would want him to do less makeup,

557
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: less makeup, less makeup, less makeup, and he would like,

558
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: just let me make you look pretty, and I'm like, no,

559
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: less makeup, less makeup, And it was really it was

560
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: throughout the years, like he really wanted me to be

561
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: more glamorous, and I really wanted to push the I'm

562
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna look like ship on purpose thing, and well you

563
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: never look.

564
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: So.

565
00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Also, Lynette had a very stressful episode episode.

566
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah to be I want to hear your thoughts on.

567
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you do. And I was thinking about

568
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: this because of you know, like mom guilt and also

569
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 3: then just like the fear of being judged by you know, people,

570
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: other people. This episode, it's a woman judging her, you know,

571
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: and and harsh parenting or like you know, gentle parenting

572
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: versus you know, this type of parenting. And I thought

573
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: that was really interesting and I thought, you know, I

574
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: wondered like would I do that? And I think obviously,

575
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: in a in a I mean, no is the answer.

576
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: But but not because I'm judging Lynette, but because I

577
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: live in LA and I'm not going to love any

578
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: of my you know, children on the side of the

579
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: road here. But I think in a in a in

580
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: a town like that, and you're just on a little

581
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: side street and you're trying to you're you're desperate to

582
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, have them respect you and listen to you.

583
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: You know.

584
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: I can see getting pushed to that, to that breaking

585
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: point and then being so hurt by someone or being

586
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: so enraged by someone you know.

587
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: Judging you.

588
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: My mom did leave me intentionally or accident, I don't.

589
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: Know intentionally why I mean, I don't consciously remember this.

590
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: I guess I was like two or something, but apparently

591
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: the way it's been told to me, I was acting

592
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: up in the grocery store at two. I don't know,

593
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: can you even.

594
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: Can you.

595
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: Acting up? Anyway? So yeah, I guess I didn't want

596
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: to get in the car or something. I don't know.

597
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I was three, but like eight and young, yeah,

598
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: really young, and she I guess she said, if you

599
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 2: don't get in the car, I'm gonna leave you. And

600
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: I didn't get in the car, and so she left.

601
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: I guess she drove out of the the parking lot

602
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: and maybe around the block and came back sort of

603
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: similarly or whatever. I like, I said, I'm just a

604
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: damaged human being. I don't actually remember this. I just

605
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: but you know, when.

606
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: I wonder if you did, like you might not, you know,

607
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: consciously remember that experience, but I wonder if it me.

608
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: And I feel like when she told me, she told

609
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: me it was pride. I don't know, this is.

610
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Totally something that my grandma would say. And then I

611
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: left you. You never did it again, and.

612
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: Now you know why everything is wrong with me?

613
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

614
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: But I definitely felt a ton of you know, empathy

615
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: for that character. I mean, I just you know that

616
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: many children under six.

617
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: Well made me think of my mom.

618
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that mom is amazing.

619
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: My mom is the most incredible woman. Yeah, and she

620
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: loves both of you so much. And Terry spent a

621
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: lot of time with my mom over the years, and yeah,

622
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: my mom is really incredible. I'm youngest of six kids.

623
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: My mom had all six of us in nine years. Yeah,

624
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: it's it's incredible. She parented us individually, which is incredible,

625
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: Like she you know, recognized our our individual needs and

626
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: would adapt the way she mothered us to you know,

627
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: both my parents really amazing. But yeah, I mean when

628
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: she said, you know I have, however many kids under

629
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: this many, of course I have anger and said that. Man,

630
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: I think I laughed out loud at that point.

631
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: I thought that was great.

632
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: I also was a really I just asked somebody who's

633
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: researching car seats and like, the appropriate way to put

634
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: a baby in, how you do all these things in

635
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: preparation for my baby? I was like, that baby is

636
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: in the front seat, her baby and her baby's car

637
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: seat is in the front passenger seat, which I guess

638
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: maybe was you know, considered safe at the time, but

639
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: now obviously those I feel like safety regulations have seen just.

640
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Like a year before the car seat safety regulations changed,

641
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw.

642
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: That so something that didn't age well.

643
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yes, Penny in the front seat.

644
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyway, I remember I was that was just

645
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: something that stood out to me and I was like, oh,

646
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: what what is that baby doing as a pastor?

647
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my favorite parts was the marriage counseling scene. Yeah,

648
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: Rex with three and Rex, I mean we I jet,

649
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: well I did you guys. I just love it. I again,

650
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, Marsha, you're desperately to vote. I

651
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: just I cannot get over. I just I don't know,

652
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: like getting behind like the actor's eye of it, you know,

653
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: like sometimes I think when you're an actor, you imagine

654
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: playing a part. You know, you look at something and

655
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: you just go, I wonder, how would I have done that?

656
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't help but do it. And I

657
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: don't know, like, man, she was just it's just some

658
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: combination of exactly how she looked and exactly how she

659
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: moved and exactly what she sounded like.

660
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: It's just so good, it's so good, and that monologue

661
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: she has about Freud and well, when he brings with

662
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: the therapy, you.

663
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: Knows that she's a psychologist. Yeah, so I wondered if

664
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: how much.

665
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: Right like when he when the therapist brings it up,

666
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: and she has that reaction like, oh, you know, basically saying,

667
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't know how I feel about

668
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: about that whole thing. Because and then she goes into

669
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: her inner dialogue and she she has this incredibly vulnerable,

670
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: intimate moment but in front of a therapist. Right, so

671
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: that setup is already so interesting, but she plays it

672
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: so well, and the crux of it is like I'm invisible,

673
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: I feel invisible, and no one thinks me, and that

674
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: would go so far, you know. Does he ever think

675
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: about the fact that I do all of these things?

676
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: Is that ever acknowledged? You know? And I think that

677
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: not only is that just brilliant writing and really philosophically interesting,

678
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: but I also think that had to have been so

679
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: relatable to so many people watching the show. I completely

680
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: so many wives and mothers and people in general watching

681
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: that must have felt that moment and felt you know, wow.

682
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: Because even not in that exact kind of relationship position,

683
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: just the feeling that so many of us feel missed,

684
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: we feel unseen, we feel unheard, we feel unrecognized for

685
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: who we authentically are. Like I think that is it's

686
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: a very relatable pain.

687
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: This is exactly I was going to say. A major

688
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: theme of the episode that really stuck with me after

689
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: watching it was this idea of loneliness and of all

690
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: the different ways that were lonely. You know, you see

691
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Gabby be lonely in her marriage, even when she showered

692
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: in gifts. You see Lynette be lonely when no one

693
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: is listening to her and her kids aren't seeing her,

694
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: and on her and her partner's on a business trip.

695
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, you see Susan feel lonely even when she's

696
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: sitting across from the person that she's finally gotten closer to,

697
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: because now another woman is there and that presence feels different.

698
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: And I just I feel like Breeze character really brings

699
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: that up in such an interesting way. And then all

700
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: the ways that the various characters respond in the face

701
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: of that loneliness. You know, what do we do we

702
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: leave our kids on the side of the road, do

703
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: we raise our voices, do we have an affair, do

704
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: we have an affair, do we, you know.

705
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: Pull out our sewing kit and madly sew anything that

706
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: we can.

707
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: See exactly to exactly And what are all the ways

708
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: that we seek control?

709
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: You know?

710
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm really interested as someone who's watching

711
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: the show for the first time, I'm really interested in

712
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: Breeze character and what that backstory is on why she

713
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: feels the need to have so much control or is

714
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: it control or is it just trying to be seen

715
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: well by being a perfection?

716
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: He says, I miss the girl. Where's the girl that

717
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: I fell in love with that drank milk out of

718
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: the milk carton?

719
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

720
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: And I forget the other example, but.

721
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: It's such a care free woman that we don't see.

722
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: I actually found myself going, yeah, where is that person?

723
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: Like?

724
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: I actually can't interesting? Like I love what she's doing

725
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: as an actress, and I love the way the character

726
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: is written on the page. But I am a little

727
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: mystified with the I guess this dichotomy the right word

728
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: or the juxtaposition of like it's hard for me to

729
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: imagine ever drinking milk out of a milk carton? Right,

730
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: what's hard for me to imagine what happened to make

731
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: her not be that person, so that will be I

732
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: don't remember if that if we really ever get that answer.

733
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if if she as an actress, had to

734
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: answer that for herself. I mean, I'm sure that she did.

735
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: She's a talented person, so I'm sure she had figured

736
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: that out. But I found myself being like, those don't

737
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: add up to me.

738
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I had that same question. I actually literally wrote down

739
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: trauma question mark. It seems like some huge traumatic event

740
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: that I would love as a storyteller to hopefully, I mean,

741
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's going, but to maybe understand

742
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: like where did the split occur and why and.

743
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: What is the impetus for why she feels this need

744
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: to be perfect all the time and you know, pristine

745
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: all the time and presentational that the you know, yeah,

746
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean the facade she puts up and the inner

747
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: life she's clearly having is fascinating. And I don't remember either.

748
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to watch episode.

749
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: It is and there's so much to say about this

750
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: as women.

751
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: And if you asked me, or somebody asked me if

752
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: I watched it in real time, I did. And I

753
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: think one of the reasons I did watch it is

754
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: because I always used to say this that like it

755
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: was like being in a show that I wasn't in,

756
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: because there were you know, you would obviously you would

757
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: read the script at the beginning, so you would know

758
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: everything that was happening. But I wasn't there when they

759
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: were shooting that marriage scene or the get the car scene,

760
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: or the pullover on the side of the road, saying

761
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: I never saw anyone do any of that work, just

762
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: like they didn't see me do my work. And we

763
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: did always have these poker scenes where the characters would

764
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: kind of end up together, but often there was a

765
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: lot of it happening separate storylines, and so it was

766
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: like a big giant surprise treat to get to watch

767
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: what these fellow actors were doing when you weren't there,

768
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: and they're all so good that it was like watching

769
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: a show that you weren't in. Okay, so I also

770
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: got I thought, so Gabby's reaction to the car Emerson

771
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: knows this about me. I have always had a fantasy

772
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: of someone surprising me with a car with a big

773
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: bow on it in the driveway.

774
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think I inherited that.

775
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: I want you to do that for you.

776
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I feel like I'm somehow responsible to get

777
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: you both the car.

778
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where's our car? Andrew the podcast My car

779
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: you guys.

780
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that never. I I really always wanted that, And

781
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it goes bigger into understanding, like, well,

782
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: we talked about it a little bit like gifts is

783
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: gifts gifts a way that you show love or and

784
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: I know it's not like the way, and it's not

785
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: even necessarily like a good way. It's but I don't know.

786
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: I think in my imagination, I just always thought that

787
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: i'd be very special or valuable or something if somebody

788
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: did that for me. So I guess even though within

789
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: the Carlos and Gabby relationship, I think it's bad. I

790
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: mean I think it's I think I think clearly something's

791
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: wrong with their relationship. That that's what made her so happy,

792
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, And but even you can see she actually

793
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: preferred the roads Rose Yeah. Yeah, but I I guess

794
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: I guess I related to it.

795
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there is that whimsical fantasy of yeah, I

796
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: get that, of.

797
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: Walking out the front door and yeah.

798
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring up Carlos and Gabby's relationship because

799
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: I also was struck. I mean, of course they have

800
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: a very imperfect marriage that you know, we've talked about

801
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: the last time when we walked the pilot, but I

802
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: felt in this episode and I was curious what you thought.

803
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: Carlos was very problematic to me, the way that he

804
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: behaved and the portrayal of an acceptable marriage, And I

805
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: was wondering how his marriage with Gabby sat today, because

806
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: there were some places in this episode where he was

807
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: actually like a bit physically forceful and violent and kind

808
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: of grabbed her wrist and felt very intimidating in a

809
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: way that I, you know, I certainly hope we never

810
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: are putting up with, but I feel like, especially right now,

811
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: felt a bit shocking. I thought, oh my god, that's fine.

812
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's so amazing about the show

813
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: that in its time they were willing to do that.

814
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: They were because that is scary, and I'm sure that

815
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: there were people even at the time that watched it

816
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: that were like, that's that's that's not cool.

817
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: Something more.

818
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the flip side of that is in terms

819
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: of the daringness and sort of the edge of the show.

820
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, you got to remember, this is

821
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: on ABC at nine o'clock on Sundays, which, again, as

822
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: I said in the last episode, you know I think

823
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: was the definitive place to put it. Yeah, but it

824
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: wasn't on HBO, it wasn't on a streaming network because

825
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: they didn't exist yet. You know, it wasn't in the

826
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: places where you're more likely to see a relationship like that.

827
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: So to put that on ABC, that was a big deal.

828
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: But the flip side of that is seeing the gardener's

829
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: naked ass. Yeah, outside that reveal.

830
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: Him going like, oh, you know, did John come today?

831
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: And he's all heated, and then he's like hey, mister

832
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: Solis and he's trimming the hedges and then they do

833
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: you pan out the window and you just see his

834
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: little I mean.

835
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: That is You're right, like, oh, it's really it was, Yeah,

836
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: it really did.

837
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: And the rose thing that scene, Okay, So I just

838
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: because we were talking about when when you and Gabrielle

839
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: come in the house and I guess you were maybe

840
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: shopping or something and you come in and at the

841
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: very end of the scene you mentioned the rose, which

842
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: is why I'm thinking of the scene because you say like, oh,

843
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: that's such a beautiful rose, and she has to think quickly,

844
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: like because you say like where'd you get it or something,

845
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: and she has to think on her toes to hate

846
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: so much, right, yeah, yeah, and so but you have

847
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: that line because of course we have to talk about

848
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: the dinner scene, which I'm you know we'll get to,

849
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: but the dinner date scene. Yeah, but you have that

850
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: line of figuring out how you're going to time out

851
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: your arrival with Edie's arrival, and you say, well, what

852
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: do you say? I wrote it down because I have

853
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: to get it perfect, because it was just such a

854
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 3: great line, which was Edie will get there at five

855
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: forty five, which means her breasts will be there at

856
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: five thirty, so I should get there at five. The

857
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: line and the delivery of that line, bravo. That was

858
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: so good. I thought that was so so funny, and

859
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: it was just like such a standout moment in the

860
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: eye told to.

861
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: Me every time you know, you bring up this specificity

862
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: of like these lines or the I mean, it's the

863
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: complimentary weaving of character development with mystery revelations.

864
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: It's really special.

865
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you just have to keep tipping your hat

866
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: to Mark Cherry not only for that, but for basically

867
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: bringing back and the word housewives into the zeitgeist to

868
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: the point where lots of other people made a ton

869
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, off of the word housewives, you know,

870
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: and that was all him.

871
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: I mean, there are This is funny, and I bet

872
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: that I'm sure this happens to you. You know, when

873
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: when people will reference like if somebody if I'm out

874
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: and someone recognizes me or whatever, and someone says, oh,

875
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: well she is you know, she was on Desperate Housewives,

876
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: sometimes this happens where someone assumes that's part of the

877
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: Real Housewives friendship.

878
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: I have had the same thing happening.

879
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: They don't even know, you know, if it's a younger person,

880
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 3: they don't know what desert houses. They're like, oh my god,

881
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: and they're like what your what reality show? And I'm like,

882
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, very different things. But I always think

883
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: it's hysterical because I am a big Bravo fan. But

884
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: I was also I'm always like, okay, that's crazy to

885
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: picture me on any of those shows. But yeah, yeah,

886
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: but there are people out there who probably think you

887
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: are on one of those shows and not.

888
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would not have enough drama to be

889
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: on one of their shows. Although Desperate Housewives does have enough.

890
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Drama, Desperate Housewives just have enough drama. No, I, I

891
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't think they ever actually asked me.

892
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: I feel I would. I mean, it's I but I

893
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: there was one moment where we talked for a second

894
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: and I and I said, I I nothing nothing. All

895
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: I do is clean cat litter boxes and and and like,

896
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, take out the garbage. Like there's a I

897
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: don't do any of this fancy ship that these people do,

898
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Like I wear sweats all day and I clean litter boxes.

899
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: That's my exciting life. Now needs to film that.

900
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: But then that makes me think of you know, you

901
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: in advance of your date with Mike when you go

902
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: out in your robe, Yeah you can, Yeah, And you're like, oh,

903
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: I don't want to see him before I'm supposed to

904
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: be ready to see him. And I thought that was

905
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: so cute.

906
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: I have more on Mike, do you well?

907
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: I gonna I had more on trash? Okay, oh yeah,

908
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: because I know and maybe maybe we can make this

909
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: a thing. The Most Savage Line Award goes to again

910
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: classic Missus Hooper.

911
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: Edie.

912
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: Maybe trash, but she's still a human being.

913
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: Christine Nestbrook and she's another theater person's friends.

914
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

915
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like she was in Spring Awakening your show. Yeah,

916
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: but anyway, yeah, you're right. I mean that line is.

917
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Like delivered so well. And as you mentioned, Andrew, they're

918
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: they're friendship with each other. And again it is her

919
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: Missus Hooper's p assistance to be a nosy neighbor when

920
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: she when Edie doesn't even care about finding the measuring cup,

921
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: and then she is the one who keeps it. And

922
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: then when she runs into you and she finds the

923
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: new measuring cup and oh my god, I was like,

924
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Susan is such a little gas Later in this moment

925
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: when you ask her where the measuring cup is before

926
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: she buys a new one, I don't know, I'm.

927
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: But this scene, this is where I caught a mistake.

928
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: At least I think I bought a mistake. Which this

929
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: scene with the with the where you are with Missus

930
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: Hooper and she finds, yes, a measuring cup in your bag.

931
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: So she comes over and she says, I want to

932
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 2: get the clothes from from Susan, right, And you say, oh,

933
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 2: she's not here. She's with Missus van DeCamp and I

934
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: was not. We were with Gabby. I was shopping.

935
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: You were shopping.

936
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: I was shopping. And then I had to wonder, like,

937
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: did I lie to you and say I was gonna

938
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: go make muffins? But instead I bought my one little

939
00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: bag of whatever the hell bag your date that I

940
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: think maybe you did, and my little very little fancy

941
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: it's like an edible g strings in my little bag.

942
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: That is way too risky for Susan. Wait, okay, but

943
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: we do have to talk about the date because that

944
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: is kind of the crowning jewel.

945
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: Well, and plus this is what's sitting in front of it.

946
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: Plus wait one second, okay, look at what I have.

947
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: This is the purse that you carry over to Mike's

948
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: house during the date. Which have that because of my mind,

949
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm herself.

950
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: Department was lacking.

951
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: It was happening behind the seas bringing in her own.

952
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: Clothes, and I just inherited this purse as you over

953
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: the year as well, aftersper housewives were cleaning out your closet.

954
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: I actually went and I went to take it here.

955
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: I opened it up and I was like, oh, I

956
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 1: actually used her, and I was like, God, I wish

957
00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: my mother's my little my little tiny Uh god, no,

958
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: it's I mean, well, sometimes I like to take my

959
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: notes when I'm working on a project.

960
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: A poly pocket. Why don't you have a regular size.

961
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't fit in this purse. I have different

962
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: size notebooks for different for different verses, and I always

963
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: carry around in every purse a pen and a notebook,

964
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: and that's how I know it's a person I'm actually using.

965
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: So I I'm very glad I didn't throw it out,

966
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: and I'm very glad that you have it.

967
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: And I was very glad to see it on screen

968
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: because I was like, that's my purse. But I have

969
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: no recollection as to why. So I can buy that

970
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: I wore the little penny heart Saint Christopher necklace. I

971
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: can buy that there was some part of me that

972
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: may have wanted some touchstone of reality or something. I

973
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: don't know. I can buy that the purse. I just

974
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: feel like I don't get it.

975
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't one of the first.

976
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Why I would have brought that or how that happened. Yeah,

977
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: that would maybe we'll have to get somebody from the wardrobe.

978
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you had like condoms or something in there.

979
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: I know, I just in case the datement really want?

980
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: Is it the second podcast episode and I'm already talking

981
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: about how long it's been since I.

982
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: You said that. I did not. I said nothing about that.

983
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about Susan literally.

984
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: Susan line in the first episode, right.

985
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: I think that's your line, So I did.

986
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Really, you were talking about my jeans, which I cannot believe.

987
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: I can't. First of all, I can't believe you think

988
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: that that's hot. And also we're not the only one

989
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 2: everybody thinks.

990
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: Do you see fashion today? Everyone wants to be able

991
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: to wear those greens serious.

992
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wear them anymore, unfortunately.

993
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: But I could.

994
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: But I certainly that green skirt that I wore over

995
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: to the MIC date, and I don't think that was mine.

996
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: I think that actually came from a wardrobe.

997
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: So I did.

998
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: I did like that. No, So the the cake, So

999
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: every episode we're bringing food from uh the show, and

1000
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: this is a little bit more obscure. So the macaroni

1001
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: cheese was very obvious.

1002
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: About the cakes. So the cake is it's being beautiful

1003
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 3: if you.

1004
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: Go into the date scenes. So there in Mike's house

1005
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: and everyone is around the table eating and there are

1006
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 2: a couple of angles where you can see back into

1007
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: the kitchen and in the kitchen out is slices of

1008
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: a white cake with strawberries. Wow, and nobody ever eats it.

1009
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: Isn't that what Susan says, I'm gonna go get the

1010
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: cake when she sees the gravy and puts it on herself.

1011
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And so that's where you see the cake.

1012
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: Nobody ever eats it, but it's there in the shot.

1013
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: And I was and I thought, you know what I'm

1014
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: gonna make. I'm going to make a cake. So this

1015
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: is I have become Instagram friends with a woman. She

1016
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: has an app called Passion for Baking, Okay, and this

1017
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: is you guys were talking about ASMR. She has this

1018
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: voice and she just like whips the stuff up and

1019
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: she talks about how you take your Also, I guess

1020
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it, but I do. So I dm'ed

1021
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: her like you know, I'm a Fanda da da. So

1022
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: we've kind of over the last little bit of time,

1023
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: I've been sort of going back and forth, and so

1024
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 2: I finally downloaded her app and I thought, you know what,

1025
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to make one of her cakes.

1026
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: So because I cook a lot, Yeah, you do. But

1027
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: baking is I mean, I'm a good baker. I've gone

1028
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: on some of those baking shows and I've won and

1029
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: I've done you know whatever.

1030
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: But I don't love it good.

1031
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: I don't think I love it anymore. Baking, yeah, Okay,

1032
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: for some reason, I just don't love it anyways. This

1033
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 2: is a three layers of a white sponge cake. Within

1034
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: the middle of it is a Greek yogurt cream roasted

1035
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: strawberry moose with fresh strawberries, and then that is sort

1036
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: of a vanilla marshmallow icing.

1037
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Oh my goshunds like something that Bree would actually make.

1038
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think maybe one thing people will get

1039
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: out of this podcast is that I should never have

1040
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: played Bree because nobody could play it better than Marsha.

1041
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: But the cooking part of it, yes, is definitely me.

1042
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: It was definitely me. I actually remember Marcia always wanted

1043
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: me to teach her to make my roast chicken, which

1044
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: remember how I used to make really perfect roast chicken

1045
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: and I never did that. Like, just talk quickly about

1046
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: the the dating scene, because one thing for me of

1047
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: where it resolves, I did not realize that Mike had

1048
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: a dead wife. I'd forgotten that.

1049
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1050
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so that piece of information was dropped as early

1051
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: as the second episode, right, and that that.

1052
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: Informs the development of your relationship or your willingness to

1053
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: like go after him.

1054
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1055
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: I think I remembered that he had an like a

1056
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 3: dead wife widow. I don't know, but I didn't remember

1057
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 3: because at first, I will say, I thought his reaction

1058
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: was so weird. It was so abrupt, how kind of

1059
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: snippy he was with you when you were like, oh,

1060
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: can I do anything? And He's like no, And I

1061
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: was like, Mike, whoa dude. But then obviously it paid

1062
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: off in the next scene when he explains you know

1063
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: what happened, and he kind of takes ownership ownership of

1064
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: it and apologizes for it and brings you guys closer

1065
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: and all that. But I I thought the dynamic of

1066
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: that scene was so funny. And you obviously, you know,

1067
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: wiping that gravy behind her ear. It's and you look

1068
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: so proud when you come out of the kitchen, like, oh,

1069
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: look at me with my cute little idea and nobody

1070
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: knows that fires so quickly. Look look at Bongo likes me.

1071
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: It's so funny. It's just so funny, but I did think,

1072
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: just kind of in a broader way, like, uh, okay,

1073
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: you had initially planned on using Julia as like a decoy,

1074
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: and then you were going to say, okay, you have

1075
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: something else here. You come down with something right, like

1076
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: Julie's sick, so she can't make it, and then Edie

1077
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: crashes the date, and so then I end up coming.

1078
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 3: And I was just thinking about like dates gone wrong,

1079
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: and I want to to know if you or you

1080
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: have had a hilarious or not so hilarious date gone

1081
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: wrong story you feel like sharing.

1082
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, think about that. Yay, oh wow, Okay,

1083
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm completely put on the spot. I thought

1084
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: that she was going to have an answer about about

1085
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: a date gone wrong. Okay, I do not have. This

1086
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Speaker 1: is it never made its way all the way to

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00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: a date. Okay, but this is actually a good story

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00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: and it's the closest thing I have to a date

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: gone wrong. Okay. So this is maybe a year and

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Speaker 1: a half ago. I had just gotten out of a

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Speaker 1: relationship and I was single, and I downloaded Hinge for

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Speaker 1: the first time. I wow, I know I'd never had

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00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: a dating app Ever, I just I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: didn't have one in college. I didn't have an after college.

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Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I want to actually

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Speaker 1: maximize and enjoy being single, and I have this dating app,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, lesbian hinge in Los Angeles is like, you

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00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: know every it's the same seven people that really yeah,

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Speaker 1: you all go to the same coffee shop on the

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Speaker 1: East Side and you're like, oh, I recognize everybody here.

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00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: So there's kind of a feeling of like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is not just yeah, it's not just random strange. But

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Speaker 1: I still I was cautious. I was like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to give my number just out to anybody. And

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Speaker 1: one person I matched with I knew, I didn't know personally,

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Speaker 1: but we had a mutual friend who I trust and like,

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Speaker 1: and it was one of the things I said to her.

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Speaker 1: I messaged her and I was like, oh, hey, I

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00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: see that we both know so and so, and we

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: very quickly said she asked, oh, what's her number, I'll

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00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: text you, we'll figure out a time to go out.

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Speaker 1: And I gave her my number and I was like, well,

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00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: that's the only person that I would give my number

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Speaker 1: two because that's that. And about a day later, I

1115
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: get a text that says guess who, and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I hope this isn't the beginning of like a horror movie.

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Speaker 1: But I I'm like, oh god, I'm so nervous that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess wrong. But I kind of was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna guess wrong because I only give my

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Speaker 1: number to one person, and so I guess I say

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00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: is your name? And the person writes back something like

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00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: nailed it. And we kind of have this like flirty

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00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: exchange where we're kind of joking about the fact that

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Speaker 1: I'm not actually texting the person that I think I'm texting,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, she's so funny.

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00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: She's so witty.

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00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: We're committing to the bit. She's like, oh, is this

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: so and so from Farmers Only or Christian Mingle? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, and like she's hilarious. We

1130
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: have such good banter. I say, obviously it's from Farmers Only,

1131
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, you know, I'm out of town

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. We set up a time to

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Speaker 1: go on a date and she's like, you know, I

1134
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: hope that farmer so and so, you know, ends up

1135
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: smelling bad. And I'm like, oh haha, I'm very forgiving,

1136
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: like I'm sure I'll give her another chance. And then

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Speaker 1: I go on to tell quite a few people like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm having such a fun, flirty texting

1139
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Speaker 1: exchange with this person. I'm really excited to go on

1140
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: a date with her. And then later that night I

1141
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: get a text that's like, hey, it's so and so.

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Speaker 1: Here's my number, and it's from a different number number,

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: and it's not the number I've been texting, and I

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: realized I had given my number out to one other

1145
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: person on hinge because we were both from l A

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Speaker 1: and we'd connected over it.

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Speaker 3: You did have.

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Speaker 1: I did have legitimate flirty banter with someone else, but

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Speaker 1: I I mean, we matched, but it was someone that

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking. I feel like I already knew.

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Speaker 1: And I did end up going on a date with

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Speaker 1: the the person I thought that I was texting, and

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Speaker 1: I have to say it was a little I was like,

1154
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Speaker 1: oh god, this was not who I thought I had.

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Speaker 1: All this witty, lovely but it was. And then I

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Speaker 1: never ended up seeing the other person because by the

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Speaker 1: time that she got back in town, I'd gone on

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Speaker 1: a date with my now girlfriend, and then we just

1159
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Speaker 1: never worked exactly and you haul, but that was as

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Speaker 1: close as I have to almost.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'd have to date to have bad day

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Speaker 2: stories and years and years and years. Okay, so I'll

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Speaker 2: let you know if he us posted you guys. I

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Speaker 2: think that was another fabulous art episode and our I

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Speaker 2: loved episode two the show, and I loved episode two

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Speaker 2: of I love getting to see you guys, and I

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Speaker 2: would say let them eat cake. So yeah, I hope,

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Speaker 2: as always said, everybody enjoyed this. And if you want

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Speaker 2: to reach out to us, we definitely want to hear

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Speaker 2: what you have to say. We want to answer your

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Speaker 2: questions about behind the scenes or anything else you think

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Speaker 2: you might need to know about life or relationships. And

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Speaker 2: we're going to do that because we're desperately

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.