00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. 00:00:17 Speaker 2: When you're a. 00:00:17 Speaker 1: Guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, you're our presences. Presents enough. I already had too much stuff. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:49 Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm pretture winne girl. We're here, we're doing our thing. I have success fully checked into my Southwest Airlines flight. This time tomorrow I'll be on a plane enjoying nothing. Seems like Southwest has managed to make itself worse. I went through the new process today. I've been you know, I've been saying not good things, but fine things about this company for a very long time. I've been telling everyone it's fine that you have to rush onto the plane and fight for a seat. Now I don't get to fight for a seat. That was the thrill for me. Now I'm in a middle seat. Oh but I will be stopping in Denver, of course, on my cross country flight, my nine hour trip to New York. And that's fine. That's how I like it. I like a little stop. And is there anything else happening? Gorgeous weekend had mildly pleasant experiences with two deeply unpleasant people. So I'm counting that as a win. And I think that brings us to today. Reminder, we have Patreon Patreon dot com slash. I said, no gifts, I mean the whole thing. It's just I mean, it's just a library of magic and delight. So get over there, and I think that's it. I love today's guests. I absolutely love her. It's Patty Cockenheim, Patty, welcome to I said, no gift. 00:02:21 Speaker 2: Hi, thank you for I love you. I'm in love. 00:02:25 Speaker 4: Is this a weird time to. 00:02:26 Speaker 2: Tell you that? 00:02:27 Speaker 3: No? I was hoping you would say this. Yeah, just repeat it throughout the episode. You've had a morning? 00:02:35 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I have. 00:02:37 Speaker 3: I want to hear about this. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: Well, it's fun that you started with flights. There's a lot of flight I flew this morning. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: Even what time did you get on the flight? 00:02:48 Speaker 2: At six? 00:02:51 Speaker 4: And we left at six? 00:02:53 Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a last night flight, right there was weather in Hoilston, and so that brought me to one extra gifted night in Houston, and so then an early morning and here I am. 00:03:07 Speaker 3: I mean, why didn't you cancel? This is unbelievable. 00:03:11 Speaker 2: Do you know what I was thinking about that on the way, I was like, why no, because I don't because I wanted to be here so bad. 00:03:17 Speaker 3: That's very sweet you, Yes, you are in love with. 00:03:21 Speaker 2: Me, And I also don't like to fly. I think I was so burned early on in LA years where it was like people say they're going to do things and then they just don't do them. And so now I'm like, if I'm say I'm going to be, if I'm saying I'm gonna ben, I'm going to do it, I acted. 00:03:40 Speaker 3: I love to hear that. I'm I'm in a similar boat where I just am like, I can't be part of this prevailing culture of just like literally saying yes exactly knowing when I say yes, I'm going to cancel. I can't do that. No, I can't. 00:03:53 Speaker 2: What are we even doing? Just be honest and tell me no or yes and make it. 00:03:58 Speaker 3: Happen, you know, yes, canceling. Two things I really can't abide are canceling on occasion and not responding to an email. These are two things that rarely happen. Well, they're not responding to an email is such a rare thing. But when that happens to me. I'm like, this person, who are your parents? 00:04:17 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:04:18 Speaker 3: Who raised you? Well? 00:04:20 Speaker 2: What better do you have to do? Honestly, Like, I don't know, there's really not an excuse. You have your phone with you at all times this morning, noon, night. There's no excuse, right, except that you don't respect me. 00:04:38 Speaker 3: You don't respect me. I always, I will always give like a two day threshold where I'll think, well, maybe they're just healthy, maybe they have a healthy connection to their device, right, and then it immediately flips to they're the worst person in the worry. 00:04:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're in Joshua Tree having a health silence retrieve. But then do you ever send like a nudge, like a oh? Those are kind of like I can't bring myself to do it either. 00:05:05 Speaker 3: It's such a it's like a once in a tenure thing that I do that it has to be such an important thing and I have to basically have a relationship with the person where I'm like, I think that this was an oversight. 00:05:17 Speaker 4: I think I understand you enough to know you need this. 00:05:20 Speaker 3: Right yeah, yea yeah, I mean otherwise I'm like working towards getting that person in prison, finding ways how do we ruin them. 00:05:29 Speaker 4: Yes, what do I have for black Man? 00:05:32 Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, exactly What were you doing in Houston? 00:05:35 Speaker 2: Well, this is where it gets really awkward. I was doing a comic con, which is such a have you ever been to one? 00:05:45 Speaker 4: Or Okay? There, it's such a world. 00:05:49 Speaker 2: It's you're like transported to a weird like a Lynchian type. But Neon lights, it's nothing about it is like curated aesthetically. Everything is like get into this convention center, it's Neon lights. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: Oh right, but. 00:06:11 Speaker 2: I do like I've only done I don't know four and I've done them like once a year and that's my absolute limit. 00:06:20 Speaker 4: But it's it's it's it's you just I. 00:06:24 Speaker 2: Like to put myself in really like awkward situations or uh interesting where I know I'm going to take. 00:06:32 Speaker 3: Some stories of something will happen. 00:06:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, something's going to happen. 00:06:35 Speaker 3: A new texture in your life or at least. 00:06:37 Speaker 2: A moment, a new paint with a different color for a weekend, and wow, so fascinating. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: What is the experience You show up and then you just like sit at a table. What's happening? I don't think I've never been in once. 00:06:50 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to even they have these things down to a science where they're shuffling you around. So you're at a table, you're doing signings and things, pictures or whatever, like Funko pops and things, and then they have you go to photo ops and everything's like scheduled and people with headsets and like walkies and like everything's and you're just getting shuffled. And then there's a green room where everyone hangs out. 00:07:17 Speaker 3: Okay, you know, and you're hanging out there during which period when. 00:07:22 Speaker 2: You when you're taking breaks, which is like you need a lot of breaks because it's so much energy. 00:07:28 Speaker 3: And is the break like they set them into the schedule or do you just say I have to have a break. 00:07:33 Speaker 4: Both. 00:07:33 Speaker 2: I mean, you get some set breaks and then you be like I need break. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: What's if you had any particularly weird experiences there? 00:07:42 Speaker 4: Nothing? 00:07:42 Speaker 2: But I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding, Like what well, I mean yesterday I was at a table so I did it with my CASTMATEE, which is like why it makes it worth it because you're like there with somebody you know for sure and you. 00:07:58 Speaker 3: Love someone who can acknowledge the reality of that experience. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: You can look over at each other and be like, you know, there's just so much. So I went with the cast mate and we were at this table and all of a sudden, Dog the Bounty Hunter was there, already off the charts. 00:08:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the thing where it liked. It just starts to break for me where I'm like, what does he have to do. 00:08:19 Speaker 2: With Comic Con? This is everything? 00:08:21 Speaker 3: Was a fan? 00:08:23 Speaker 2: No, he was there as a dog. I was like, we need one dog. I don't know what, I don't know, but he was there and it was just one of the most bizarre interactions, and he basically was just like, you could get the show. We were on his Twisted Metal and it's coming back for a third season, and he was basically like, you know, I think they need a dog on that show. And he was like, he gave me his info to get to the producers. 00:08:55 Speaker 3: To get cast on the show. 00:08:57 Speaker 2: Yes, And it just got weirder and weirder and amazing, and it was just amazing. And he gave me his emails so I can get in contact with him. But then later in the day they have like a massage table for people like. 00:09:12 Speaker 3: Fans to massage to. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: Get your hands on your favorite peeps. Now for like in the Green Rood when you need to break. 00:09:22 Speaker 3: Okay, and now I'm sorry that I've given that idea to comic on but continue. 00:09:28 Speaker 2: Ah, now we can't do that. But I was getting massaged for a moment, just a little like you know whatever, basic, But I like opened my eyes for a second and Dog was literally two feet away from me. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: Just watch. 00:09:48 Speaker 2: I was just like, I feel an energy of like leather and a holster and like some blonde hair and glasses. I could just feel something and I like, look was right there and I was like, oh God, Dog's here. And then he was just there for the remainder of my massage, so relaxing. 00:10:08 Speaker 4: Never been more relaxed. And then I just looked at it. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: I was like hi, Dog, and he was like wow, Wow, what wow? This is? I mean this is like two minutes of the weekend where and that's that's one thing. 00:10:29 Speaker 4: And then that, I mean just compound that. 00:10:31 Speaker 3: For right, he's still alive. How old is this guy? I remember like his show was popular in like two thousand and six or something. Uh huh, and I remember him looking like a beat up Hulkgan. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: Then I'll you know, I'll show you well I'll show you a pick and he you know he's doing he's doing great. 00:10:50 Speaker 3: And does he still have a show, do we think or is he just now I don't know hunting bounties. 00:10:54 Speaker 2: He did say he won't die on camera. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: That's the one thing you won't do. That's not up to you, dog dog. 00:11:04 Speaker 2: If you want to get cast, you're gonna have to be open for what they write for you. 00:11:09 Speaker 3: He won't die on well did he tell you that or me? It's like, how did you get to that? 00:11:17 Speaker 2: I don't know. He just offered it. He did say he can bark like he does, get a good bark, okay, and then he won't die. 00:11:24 Speaker 3: I'm starting to realize I don't know that much about what dog the bounty Hunter is. Does he have a perm? 00:11:30 Speaker 2: He has a blonde stick straight like bleach o, but it is whole cogany, you right, it's in that yeah, okay. 00:11:39 Speaker 3: And he's he's got to be like sixty five at this pit, right, I. 00:11:42 Speaker 2: Would pump it up. 00:11:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's at seventy. I don't know. 00:11:47 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:11:47 Speaker 3: And did you see if he was like again, I'm sorry that I'm now you turning you into the expert about him. Was he like at a booth? 00:11:54 Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, I mean, I guess I don't know, this is this is what it was. It was. 00:12:00 Speaker 4: It was an interesting one. 00:12:01 Speaker 2: It was like a lot of different, lots of different kind of stuff going on, Like you got Patrick Warburton's lovely and then you got the dog, and then you got I don't know. It was just a very interesting experience all around. And then Superman, like there are a few Superman's there and and uh, yeah, I. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: Just came straight from there, so I'm a little shook. 00:12:27 Speaker 3: So wow, And you had kish, you. 00:12:34 Speaker 2: Said breakfast, Yeah, yeah, Delta's finest. 00:12:40 Speaker 3: I didn't know they were serving keisha at this point. I guess that kind of makes sense. It's an airplane food. You can microwave it. 00:12:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was like has a bacon right, and like it's kind of scary, but I went for it, and yeah, like a jelly. There was kind of like a sweetness to it that I was. 00:12:57 Speaker 3: Like, oh I do this. 00:12:59 Speaker 2: I don't love that sweet sweet dish, sweet egg bacon dish. So I don't know it's going to happen to you in the next six I don't know. We'll see how we'll check in after. 00:13:16 Speaker 3: What else has been going on in your life outside of comic coms? 00:13:21 Speaker 2: So travel, I'm working on a fun show, The Lincoln Lawyer. 00:13:24 Speaker 3: Oh, that's exciting, it's really fun. Are you travel Where are you traveling? 00:13:29 Speaker 2: Traveled to Hawaii? 00:13:30 Speaker 3: Oh? I was in Hawaiian in January? 00:13:32 Speaker 2: You were? Where'd you go? 00:13:34 Speaker 4: I was there too in January? 00:13:36 Speaker 3: Oh, my god, by han Yeah too. Wow. I wonder if we were there at the same. 00:13:43 Speaker 2: Time, but we were, well, I was early early Okay. 00:13:47 Speaker 3: I think we were January fourteenth. 00:13:48 Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe if we missed. 00:13:51 Speaker 3: We took a big gamble because you know, it rained so much during that time. Yeah, and it didn't barely rained at all. Yeah, except for the one time we went on a dangerous hike. It ranged the entire time. 00:14:01 Speaker 2: Was it that cliff one where you're like. 00:14:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're supposed to get up to a waterfall, but yeah, we didn't quite get there, but my shoes fell apart. But it was lovely. 00:14:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:14:15 Speaker 3: And then we got to ride a tube down a river thing. 00:14:18 Speaker 4: Oh, that's fun. 00:14:20 Speaker 3: Terrific experience. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: That's so fun. 00:14:22 Speaker 3: Had you been to Hawaii before? 00:14:24 Speaker 2: Yes, we went last year to the same place and I're hooked. I'm hooked quis. 00:14:30 Speaker 3: Oh it's so beautiful, I mean, shocker, it's. 00:14:33 Speaker 4: So beautiful, right, It's so. 00:14:36 Speaker 2: Lush, and the food's great, everything's great, lovely. I felt like my my body immediately like relaxed. 00:14:45 Speaker 3: Oh I'm not capable of that. Oh no, no, that's just that's not in my future. Just a constant tension. 00:14:53 Speaker 2: I know, me too, That's why I have to go to those places. 00:14:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to lead to some later life problems. 00:15:00 Speaker 4: Do you have an aura ring or anything? 00:15:02 Speaker 2: No? What's that? 00:15:04 Speaker 4: It keeps trackier? 00:15:05 Speaker 3: Oh the ring? 00:15:06 Speaker 2: No? 00:15:06 Speaker 3: I don't, do you I do? And do you feel like? 00:15:09 Speaker 2: It's actually stressing me out? 00:15:11 Speaker 3: It stressed me out so bad, just constantly thinking about how to impress the ring. 00:15:17 Speaker 2: I know. And now I'm in circles with people and so people can see and they're. 00:15:22 Speaker 4: Like they're texting, like are you okay? 00:15:25 Speaker 3: So this is just kind of a thing. 00:15:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's now become a wellness. 00:15:31 Speaker 3: So it's kind of a social media thing, kind of connecting to each other and like finding out about your friends and family health. 00:15:39 Speaker 4: It's not just about my own personal sleep anymore. 00:15:41 Speaker 3: It's about it, and is it mostly about sleep? 00:15:44 Speaker 2: I like to track the sleep and then your stress. It tracks your stress levels and your heart beat, your resting beats for a minute. 00:15:55 Speaker 3: Has it changed any of your behavior? 00:15:57 Speaker 4: I'm more mad. 00:16:01 Speaker 2: I'm more furious that I'm not. I don't know how to maneuver the sleep. 00:16:07 Speaker 3: Do you have a hard time sleeping? 00:16:09 Speaker 2: No, I think I think it's that just to go it good on the go. 00:16:16 Speaker 3: It's hard to sleep like regular hours. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when you're shooting a show, you know, wold Times at five and it's just like way. 00:16:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe I'll get there at some point. Yeah, just throw the ring out. 00:16:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'll throw out the ring. 00:16:35 Speaker 3: How does it track your sleep? Just because you're so it just knows you're lying still. 00:16:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, it knows your heartbeat, so like when it gets to a certain point, it can tell when you're like in the the zones. 00:16:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. That would just stress me out. That's just like a new job that I have to take care of. 00:16:51 Speaker 2: It's a little weird. I'm getting used to it. But do you do anything to like try. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: To Occasionally when I'm at absolute anxiety, I'll do a couple of heavy breath breath right, But it's more just to let the people know around me, I have a. 00:17:08 Speaker 2: Problem loudsizhe to let someone know you're a noise. 00:17:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm finding peace through size, like passive aggressive noises, that kind of yeah. You know, every four years I'll try meditating, doesn't stick, and then I go on kind of just rapidly aging myself through stress. 00:17:28 Speaker 2: Well you look great. 00:17:29 Speaker 3: Oh God, bless well should see that with you? 00:17:33 Speaker 2: You are in love with I'm in love with you, So maybe I have little love goggles. 00:17:37 Speaker 3: Right, you can't see the real. 00:17:39 Speaker 2: You look great, We look great, We look great. 00:17:42 Speaker 3: The last time I saw you, we were in Disneyland and having the time of our lives with the front And have you been back to Disney insense? 00:17:50 Speaker 4: I have one more time? 00:17:52 Speaker 3: And how was that experience without me? 00:17:55 Speaker 2: I missed you. I missed you. I feel like we had fun giggling. Yeah, a good time with Terran. 00:18:01 Speaker 3: I mean going with him, going with him, It's like he's just such a joyous person to be around, and he knows how to be there. 00:18:09 Speaker 4: He plans the whole experience. 00:18:11 Speaker 3: It's incredible. 00:18:12 Speaker 2: So you just and he fills you in on all you learn about Lily Disney, you learn about. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: I didn't learn about Lily Disney. I don't think so well. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: She loved dragonflies? 00:18:25 Speaker 3: Who she's waltz? Why, Wow, I'm shocked. I didn't know that. 00:18:31 Speaker 2: And he loved her okay, good to know, and really decorated with her in mind. Interesting you know this the Club thirty th the little places he really like wanted her to feel special. 00:18:49 Speaker 3: Now this is where Tarren dropped the ball with me. 00:18:52 Speaker 4: Well, we have a bone to pick with Terryen. 00:18:55 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, maybe he just knows that my experience with women, you know, not crazy about them. I don't need to hear about that. 00:19:04 Speaker 2: Save that fact for when I have just the light eights here. 00:19:09 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite rite it Disney? 00:19:11 Speaker 2: Then? I love Space Mountain and Pirates, Oh classic, And I just love their melted faces. 00:19:18 Speaker 4: I just love it. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: It's so And we did the Tiki Room. Oh I have done that in a long time, and that was very nostalgic. 00:19:25 Speaker 3: How was that experience as an adult because it's just birds singing at you. 00:19:28 Speaker 2: It's bird singing over your head and you're kind of just thinking about like if that were real, they would just be shitting on you the whole time because they're like they're singing, and then for quite a while you're like very gonna be sitting on you. But it was cute, Sure, it was really cute. 00:19:46 Speaker 3: I've never thought about the tiki room would be a mess, it would be a disaster, it would be a it would be the home of a scary person. Oh yeah, somebody who's like to get it together. 00:19:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, my birds they sing? 00:20:00 Speaker 3: Yeah? And is it like an hour long experience? I don't remember that much about it. 00:20:05 Speaker 2: It was lengthy, it was it was maybe thirty minutes. 00:20:08 Speaker 3: Okay, fascinating, Yeah right, yeah. 00:20:13 Speaker 4: What's your favorite? 00:20:15 Speaker 3: It used to be Tower of Terror and then they've kind of lost me Guardians. They turned it into a comic book thing, and I just loved the spookiness. 00:20:24 Speaker 4: Effect, like spooky things. 00:20:26 Speaker 3: I love spooky things, especially haunted. 00:20:28 Speaker 4: We got it gets you to a comic con. 00:20:32 Speaker 3: I bet that's a very spooky, honey, Yeah, But I like a spooky period piece. Yeah, something in a haunted house or a haunted hotel, something that feels kind of dusty. 00:20:45 Speaker 2: And do you like to have scary farm? Have you done that? 00:20:49 Speaker 3: I've never been to not scary farm a now that we're saying that, yeah, is that supposed to be a pun of like it's not scary? Oh? Or was that just a mistake on Nott's very farm or you know, because. 00:21:00 Speaker 4: I don't think they want it to sound Knots. 00:21:02 Speaker 3: It feels like it's working against the general idea. You're right, which listener, if you're not aware of Nots Scary Farm, it's when Notts Verry far becomes a haunted house. 00:21:11 Speaker 2: Yes, it goes from Knots Berry Farm. Have you been to Knots Berry Farm? 00:21:16 Speaker 3: Now, I've been to the restaurant. 00:21:18 Speaker 2: There's a horrible ride there, which and I'm not a negative, it was just so the there were It was a ride called the Berry Blaster and you sit in a car and there's like a you get a gun that's a berry and you have like a thing where you're shooting berries and the whole goal is to kill as many bears as you can. Watch might know you're just shooting bears dead with berries and it's for children. You're trying to kill these bears. I'm like, this is the Berry Blaster Verry Blaster. 00:22:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were I feel like you should be sitting in like a Raspberry that would think it was Oh okay, well then I'm on board. Okay, totally sitting in the middle of a Raspberry shooting bears to death. Yes, fascinating. 00:22:12 Speaker 2: You know, they're all I get a family picnic and having fun, and then you're like, yeah, get them. I know. 00:22:19 Speaker 3: I guess I just don't know that much about the entire experience. 00:22:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, they really tried to make the IP like the Berries. 00:22:28 Speaker 3: It wasn't Snoopy involved at some point. 00:22:31 Speaker 2: Yes, there's Snoopy stuff. Okay, I think Snoopy would stock there's some. 00:22:38 Speaker 3: Lean into that. That's the only character anyone recognizes from that thing, right, other than just generic bear right or berry. 00:22:48 Speaker 2: Berry the bear and his family murder hired the child assassin. 00:22:56 Speaker 3: Wow, But I have not been to a not scary form. Is it scary? 00:23:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's scary, Okay, they. 00:23:03 Speaker 3: Because they have like local teens chasing you or whatever. 00:23:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that they can come up to you. 00:23:08 Speaker 3: I've been to Universal Horror Nights, which was too much concrete for me, I'll say, just walking on concrete and waiting in line. Yeah, And then again, no, I'm not with a haunted house experience. I just want to go into the thing then it's over. I don't want to walk out and then have to see another line that I get to go through another. 00:23:27 Speaker 2: One scary part. 00:23:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:23:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it's just like and it's like eleven thirty at night. I'm exhausted. Yeah, in a basically, and a shut down theme park should just be scary on its own, and they kind of have gotten rid of They should do that element of it, right, rides are haunted. 00:23:45 Speaker 4: Right, we have the wrong career. 00:23:49 Speaker 3: I should be designing imagineers. It's not too late. Yeah, well I'll say something. It's too late. Say it's too late, because I don't even know too late for you to apologize. Also, I was excited for you to be here on the podcast that patio come by. We'll have an incredible time and then we'll go our separate ways, oh, with fond memories. So I was a little surprised when you walked into the studio holding a gift. A podcast is called. 00:24:27 Speaker 2: I said, no gifts, okay, right, and I okay, this is awkward. I can tell I'm really sorry. 00:24:37 Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I was looking for. 00:24:39 Speaker 4: I'm really sorry, just. 00:24:40 Speaker 3: One and I mean that authentic apology. 00:24:43 Speaker 2: I did bring something. 00:24:44 Speaker 3: Should we open it here on the podcast? 00:24:46 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:24:46 Speaker 4: I think yeah. 00:24:53 Speaker 2: In my fluster last night trying to get on the fly, yes, I was like, I have to be at a podcast tomorrow. And I was telling Kyle, my boyfriend. I was like, I have the podcast round. He's like, which podcast was? I was like, please don't bring me a present. Just I said it's it's no gifts, no presence, just don't bring me I couldn't remember the exact name, and I was so flustered, but I did. I did bring you a present. 00:25:25 Speaker 3: Well, beautiful green bag. If listener, if you're not watching the episode, the amount of beautiful. 00:25:30 Speaker 4: Green screen, I feel like we're in Kawhi. 00:25:34 Speaker 3: This is a lush episode. 00:25:35 Speaker 4: It is ultimately lush plants curtain. 00:25:38 Speaker 3: Shirt that Okay, I'm going to reach in. 00:25:42 Speaker 4: You might have this, and I'm sorry. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Now the bag says pigmy hippo. But but that's not that I'm curious what pigmy hippos. 00:25:53 Speaker 2: It's actually a fantastic little gift store. Okay, that's it's on Beverly. 00:25:58 Speaker 3: It's great. I'm reaching in finding more tissue. 00:26:02 Speaker 4: Okay, that's not the gift. 00:26:05 Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, and you might have this. Oh my god, wait did you make this? 00:26:13 Speaker 2: I did in the car on my way here? 00:26:17 Speaker 3: Listener? This is okay, So it's a candle, but Patty has covered it in photos of the cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that's right, as well as. 00:26:30 Speaker 2: All the men. 00:26:31 Speaker 3: Wait, who are these guys? 00:26:33 Speaker 2: Those are the men from the Bachelorette didn't air because they need their time in the sun. 00:26:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:26:41 Speaker 3: I was going to say, it's just like generic looking men, which is the Bachelorette. Wow, how did you create this? 00:26:49 Speaker 2: Well? I found these pictures and if you'll notice, it's all of the castmates, well the female castmates season one, two, three, four, right, so you can see how they've changed throughout the season. 00:27:02 Speaker 3: Yes, their extensions have changed. 00:27:04 Speaker 4: Yes, they've been to Jis hair salon. 00:27:07 Speaker 3: I've been there by the way you have Oh yeah, I've been there. And Jesse was holding a yard sale for hair, No for her crap, just stuff she obviously had in her closet. 00:27:19 Speaker 4: Hitting did you buy something? 00:27:20 Speaker 3: No, this is how my cheapness is insane. 00:27:25 Speaker 2: This is why you need all these gifts. 00:27:26 Speaker 4: You don't want to buy anything. 00:27:28 Speaker 3: She had a like a tupperware full of like used iPhone cases. Why didn't I buy one of those? 00:27:34 Speaker 4: Okay, well maybe because it wouldn't well yeah. 00:27:37 Speaker 3: But like as a keep saying, we have it, frame it and one of my grand nieces could have it or something. Uh, my mental illness has just gone too far. 00:27:47 Speaker 2: No, this was perfect. 00:27:49 Speaker 3: This was really an ex. 00:27:50 Speaker 4: No, you're perfect. 00:27:52 Speaker 3: But she was selling like used athleisure old cell phone cases. 00:27:56 Speaker 2: My god. 00:27:57 Speaker 3: This was in her place of business, which I loved and I support. 00:28:00 Speaker 2: So she had a corner that was just like on your way in or out or where you while you're waiting for the foils to do their thing, you go over and bruise her junk. 00:28:10 Speaker 3: Yes, take a look at my junk when. 00:28:12 Speaker 4: You jesus junk. 00:28:14 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:28:15 Speaker 1: Wow. 00:28:15 Speaker 3: But I will say I learned a lesson because later Whitney Rose from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City was doing her own online yard sale and one of her dresses was for sale for seventy five or eighty five dollars and I said, I just have to buy it. Okay, I have to buy this thing. Yeah I bought it. Okay, great fit pretty well? Oh good? 00:28:37 Speaker 2: Oh I'd love to see that. 00:28:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks of course it's tasteful. But I have been worn it to an event. I need to. I should be wearing it to every other you should. 00:28:46 Speaker 2: What a story, what a piece? 00:28:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does require a little like pulling up pretty frequently because otherwise, you know, yeah, like the physics of it are interesting to me, thinking about how she could have possibly worn it. Yeah, but you know, nonetheless, it's in my closet. It's ready to be worn at the drop of a hat. 00:29:08 Speaker 4: Let's get you to an event. 00:29:09 Speaker 3: Get me to get you to an event. But I have been to jay z Styles Jay Styles and had a lovely experience. Got to see a wall of extensions. 00:29:21 Speaker 2: Wow, that hair wall. 00:29:22 Speaker 3: It's fascinating. It's really an interesting It's kind of in a deeply industrial part. 00:29:28 Speaker 2: Of Utah, so anyone can pop in. 00:29:30 Speaker 3: And if they let me in, they and I was. 00:29:33 Speaker 2: Very did you have an appointment or did you just I. 00:29:37 Speaker 3: Said I love the show or something like that, And then the person was just on their phone, and I think they were just like, sure, there's a yard sale over there. Want something? Wow, But they have like a of course they have like a couch. You can sit on with some Neon sign behind it to take a picture, and it was just a lovely experience overall. Would really recommend it to anyone who wants hair extensions or to just browset this a lot. Yeah, yes, but these are all they've all kind of gone through. We've watched them transform, yes, through the last four years. 00:30:18 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:30:18 Speaker 3: No, I think it's been two years actually, because they. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: Really those seasons faster than they do baby, the whole thing. 00:30:25 Speaker 3: I'm like, I need to get in touch with the reality division at Hulu and walk them through how to do any of this. We have at so breathing. Release them one episode, one week at a time. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: Right, it's a dump, and then like two weeks later you have another. 00:30:41 Speaker 3: Dumb Right, you could have ten weeks of people watching this thing. It's exhausting. 00:30:47 Speaker 2: We have notes. 00:30:49 Speaker 4: It is exhausting. You're taking in so much. 00:30:51 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Well this is and this is a problem for me because I recap them on our Patreon and everyone watches it all at once, and I'm watching them one week at a time, so I'm so behind culture. 00:31:01 Speaker 2: Well, how could you do all that? I mean, that's. 00:31:06 Speaker 4: Each episode's doing perfect. 00:31:08 Speaker 3: Each episode feels like, it's like forty hours long. 00:31:11 Speaker 4: I know they are long. 00:31:12 Speaker 2: I do check the times when I'm like, is this still the same? 00:31:15 Speaker 3: Wow? 00:31:17 Speaker 2: Okay, but I have to get through it because I love them. 00:31:22 Speaker 3: Who do you think is like the out of all of the Secret Lives ladies, which one would you actually want to spend time with? 00:31:28 Speaker 2: That's a great question. Can I see my Yeah, of course, I would probably say I feel like, I don't know Dakota. 00:31:42 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know, I have a video of Dakota. 00:31:45 Speaker 2: Remind me her name? 00:31:47 Speaker 3: Macie Macy. 00:31:49 Speaker 2: I would say Macy probably, even though she seems a little problematic. 00:31:53 Speaker 4: Well, they all do. I don't know, probably Macie. 00:31:57 Speaker 3: I would say Macie too. I think Macy like is the one person I'm like, I think that person's essentially in control of her life. Yes, like, is not just like total chaos all the time? Yes, and up until I mean, I'm still watching this season and I'm starting to lose respect for the husband after he's gone to the Vander Pumphila and he's come back a new Jacob. 00:32:19 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm like a little worried for her, and so I'm like, she needs a friend, right, I don't know, Yeah, that guy's a little problematic that husband, doesn't he have a weird backstory that he was like married to. This is the kind of ripped guy, right, No, that's like. 00:32:37 Speaker 3: A pyramid shaped head you're you're thinking about? Is it your Dimmy's husband? Oh? Wait, Chase, Chase? Wait? And yeah they had something. I think they had something going on at some point. 00:32:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had something where he was married to like a housewife of Salt Lake. 00:32:59 Speaker 3: Your inking ambaut. You're thinking about Demi's current husband, yes, Brett, Yes, who was about twenty to thirty years older than the rest of the castep, that's it, and was in some sort of thing with a real housewife who has not now gone to become a ufo ologist. 00:33:19 Speaker 2: What it gets better? Are you ufo ologists? 00:33:25 Speaker 3: Once these people leave these shows, that's when the real excitement begins, because there's some scrambling. 00:33:30 Speaker 4: Because maybe they're all doing a lot of ketamine. 00:33:32 Speaker 3: I mean they are, they are. There's in one season they go at least one couple is doing is going to ketymine therapy or whatever. Right, I've done it? How you did it as therapy? Yeah? How was that experience? 00:33:44 Speaker 2: Fantastic? I did it like a week ago. 00:33:46 Speaker 3: What like, what does it feel like? 00:33:50 Speaker 2: It feels like blasting off into like a few lifetimes. 00:33:57 Speaker 3: Whoa, it's really. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: It's delta Kish it's in here still. It's it's it's so incredible. I don't even know have the real words. It's like you go in and it's really dark and quiet, and you're wearing headphones and and you're listening to music and then you kind of have to relax into it and then it just takes you to places. It takes you to memories. It takes you to the space, right, I mean, you could meet some aliens there for sure. It's but it's profound and that you it takes you to relate a lot of relationships, like it takes you to memories that and I like to go in with an intention of some kind that's like, you know, helps kind of focus it. 00:34:58 Speaker 3: And how is the ketamine administered? 00:35:00 Speaker 2: It's a needle, oh like, and they put you in and again ivy and it's like a clinic where they are take you know, they take you all your vitals and they really are like monitoring you. 00:35:11 Speaker 3: So fascinating. And how long does it last? 00:35:14 Speaker 4: It's like forty five minutes. 00:35:15 Speaker 3: Okay, and then you have somebody drive you home. Yeah okay, yeah, hop in the car now. 00:35:21 Speaker 2: It was so fascinating. And I work with a dream therapist, Oh to talk through dreams. 00:35:26 Speaker 3: Okay, stuff. How long have you been doing that? 00:35:28 Speaker 2: Probably three years? 00:35:31 Speaker 3: Okay? And you're just like seeing what's happening in your subconscious basically. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like the way he describes it is like your dreams are offering up images of your subconscious and when you like get them, you can work with them and kind of understand yourself more. Right. 00:35:54 Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, you're kind of split in two. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: There's the half of you that's like living out in the world in your reality, and then there's the half that's like connected to something else and has all these like the conscious collective consciousness you know. 00:36:11 Speaker 3: Right? Do you feel like this affected the way you dream? 00:36:15 Speaker 2: It definitely helps me remember my dreams more. And I have had some of those dreams where you are like kind of awake in your dream and your going places you can like like lucid Dreaming's lucid dreaming. 00:36:31 Speaker 3: Oh, I would love to be able to lucid dream Uh, but I guess. 00:36:35 Speaker 4: I'm just you can't ready you can you. 00:36:37 Speaker 3: Kind of train yourself, right, I think so, I've like I've tried, well, I've looked into it, and then of course I don't have the self discipline to do any of the things you're supposed to to lucid. 00:36:48 Speaker 2: Dream don't be so hard on your No, don't tell me what to do. 00:36:54 Speaker 1: No. 00:36:55 Speaker 2: Do you remember your dreams ever? 00:36:57 Speaker 3: Yes? 00:36:58 Speaker 4: Do you ever write them down? 00:36:59 Speaker 3: Or that's one of the steps I've been told you, right, have a dream journal. 00:37:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:37:03 Speaker 3: The other thing that I've been told to do is while conscious, like look at text, look away and then look back to make sure it's the same text, or like at a clock, because I guess in dreams that's something you're not able to do in a dream. If you were to look away and then look back, it wouldn't hold on to that text or whatever, okay, and that would that would like alert your you into being like, oh, I'm in a dream. Now I can break out of this and begin lucid dreaming. Oh cool. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I've been told. Wow, But again, I haven't tried any of these things. Don't know if they're actually effective. How often do you think you're lucid dreaming? 00:37:42 Speaker 2: I really just remember the one time. I mean maybe a few, but more recently, just one where I was like, oh, I'm in I'm in a dream and I wanted to like wake up Kyle and tell them I'm hallucinating. And then I was like, no, I'm in this dream. And I'm like there was like a little man that crawled into the bed with us, and he like it was scary. 00:38:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:38:07 Speaker 2: I was like seeing like spirits, like I was seeing my aunt she was passed. I was seeing this man like being spooned by Kyle and it was really in nuts. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: And that's a borderline possession or something. No, my god. 00:38:24 Speaker 2: And then yeah, this one there was an alien in one and that just made me think of this whole these women ufology whatever it is. But I had one where there was this massive alien and he stood up and he had a big, big old alien boner blue and I was like, whoa. 00:38:45 Speaker 3: It was just I don't know, And did you tell your dream therapist about this? 00:38:48 Speaker 2: He got very excited, starts drawing a picture. I did draw a picture and I sent it to him and he's like, wow. 00:39:01 Speaker 3: Are you a big alien person? 00:39:02 Speaker 2: In general, I'm open to it. Okay, yeah, I'm open to it. I'm not like an ologist of any sure, but I am. I'm for sure. I think there's got to be something. 00:39:13 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, of course, of course. But when I'm running out of patience, I know we only have so much. 00:39:20 Speaker 2: Time to get in here and do some stuff. 00:39:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, do whatever you want, I realyy, don't care. Have some fun with making. 00:39:30 Speaker 2: Some mood like be bold. 00:39:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like, Okay, we do have the the photos of the men from the Bachelorette. Have you looked into any of them or no? I guess they said which one she picked? Right? Taylor, Frank and Paul. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: He's at the top. 00:39:51 Speaker 3: Put him, ok, and he's like a lifeguard or something. 00:39:54 Speaker 2: God, I don't know. 00:39:56 Speaker 3: I don't know anything about the. 00:39:57 Speaker 2: Bachelorette's here, right. He kind of looks like Dakota. 00:40:00 Speaker 3: I'm sure he does. I mean those two have quite a cycle going on. Yes, they do very toxic. For a long time I said it was passion. I'm ready to admit it's maybe toxic. 00:40:11 Speaker 2: Okay, this is big for you. Wow. 00:40:16 Speaker 3: But I'm now kind of following her journey through social media and it's been interesting, to say the least. She's learning to play the piano. She's just kind of I guess I should look into what that guy is doing, Dakota. 00:40:31 Speaker 2: He's I think he's probably doing great. I feel like he wants to be a good dad. He's got his dad, got his dad buds. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, those guys are so irritated. Some of the most annoying men alive. 00:40:46 Speaker 2: And you grew up in Utah, Utah. Yes, and do you feel like you know some of these kinds of people absolutely? 00:40:54 Speaker 3: Like that was an initial hurdle for me watching the show, where I was a little bit like, yeah, those are just like girls I went to hig school with that, what's interesting about this? Yes, But then I kind of developed a taste and now I'm fully obsessed with But like, almost every one of these people is basically an archetype of I mean they're and they're all basically the same person as well. Right, it's not a lot of differentiation. 00:41:16 Speaker 2: I mean, if you. 00:41:17 Speaker 4: Looked at this, you would just be like, this is all one person. 00:41:19 Speaker 3: Oh my god, they're. 00:41:21 Speaker 2: Still there, the whole everything is the exact same. 00:41:26 Speaker 3: Like I was still watch an episode and be like, who is. 00:41:28 Speaker 2: That I know. That's why I'm like, im dim may see, Whitney has made. 00:41:34 Speaker 3: Her Whitney has like finally Whitney broke out. She was smart to have different hair basically the whole time. Yes, that was the move. 00:41:41 Speaker 2: That was the move. 00:41:42 Speaker 3: The rest of them all had the exact same hair, so it was very hard to break out as a star unless you were tailor. But then the rest of them are just like, it's a Yes, I do have a bit of I think face blindness. I know I've diagnosed myself with wig blindness. 00:41:58 Speaker 4: What does that mean? 00:41:59 Speaker 3: I just can never tell if someone's wearing a wig. People would be like, that's obviously a wig. Really, I'm easily fooled by a wig. I don't. I don't know why. Maybe I'm too trusting. 00:42:11 Speaker 4: You're a great audience member for the groundling. 00:42:15 Speaker 3: Even on stage. That's not natural. No, I have a very hard time telling if a person's hair is real or not, which I guess that's a good thing for people and wigs. Yeah, you're the target audience. Yeah, and now this show, at least the show I've said this show is kind of like a face blindness simulator where it's like this is how it would feel if you had face blindness. You would just like who's whoever? There's a lot of right, and you've watched all of the show. 00:42:50 Speaker 2: I don't think I've watched this last season. 00:42:53 Speaker 3: Okay, there are a lot of complaints about this season. I don't see the difference. 00:42:58 Speaker 2: What are people's art? 00:43:01 Speaker 3: Do you think that they're going to keep making the show? 00:43:04 Speaker 2: I I think they probably have what two more seasons left in them? 00:43:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just curious about this big breakout. 00:43:12 Speaker 2: Right, maybe it's like one more season of like trying to pull some pieces together, right, But I don't know they all they don't seem united. 00:43:20 Speaker 3: They're certainly not united. They're busier than ever. 00:43:23 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going out with mom talk. I know they're busy, they're they're. 00:43:27 Speaker 3: All work, and Whitney wants out of that thing more than anything. Well, she's doing great, she's selling out Chicago. 00:43:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, God, what what a Hollywood story. 00:43:38 Speaker 3: She really broke out? But uh will? I feel like the general consensuss is like, yeah, she's fine. Yeah, So like where does she go from here? 00:43:47 Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? 00:43:48 Speaker 3: Burn too bright too quickly? 00:43:49 Speaker 1: Right? Right? 00:43:50 Speaker 2: Right? 00:43:50 Speaker 3: And then what happens? And then the rest of them. It's like, you just go back to your life. What happens. 00:43:55 Speaker 2: I'm honestly a little nervous. Maybe they'll do like a catch back up in five years and you're. 00:44:00 Speaker 3: Going to run into them at comic con. 00:44:02 Speaker 2: No, No, I'm never going again. 00:44:06 Speaker 3: What con do these ladies go to? They don't go to Bravocon. 00:44:11 Speaker 4: They probably go to. 00:44:14 Speaker 3: Maybe this is a thing I should start producing YouTube, Mormon Con, Mormon Con, talk Con. There's enough Mormon reality TV at this point. Oh, TikTok con. It's a hard thing to say, t talk con, talk Con, talk Con, talt Con. Yeah, because there's really no there's really no place for them yet. No, what do they Where do they host a comic con? It's like a convention convention center. Right, We've got to find a place for them to sign merch mom talk merch cup, Stanley cups this wig drinks, wigswig drinks. Have you been to your show? 00:44:57 Speaker 2: No? 00:44:58 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, but you've not been. 00:45:01 Speaker 2: I've never been a Swigan. 00:45:03 Speaker 3: So did we ever get around to why you brought this? 00:45:06 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:45:06 Speaker 2: Sure, because I did do a little research with Taren and I and I was I was also an early fan to this show, and so I thought that you could use it as a prayer candle absolutely for when you need to take a few breath and you can just. 00:45:27 Speaker 3: Light that, think about these goals, get. 00:45:31 Speaker 4: To a calming place with those. 00:45:33 Speaker 3: Goals, and pray for them, and pray for. 00:45:36 Speaker 4: Them, and pray for their. 00:45:40 Speaker 2: Hair, and pray for you whatever you want. 00:45:47 Speaker 3: Do you have a least favorite member of mom Talk take a look, A look. 00:45:54 Speaker 2: I've never really gotten on board because I just don't know really what's going on. 00:46:01 Speaker 3: Miranda is a bit of a I think in Utah they're referred to as sand dune and girls. 00:46:07 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 00:46:10 Speaker 3: Which is essentially Miranda like a very tan, super white hair. Somebody who goes to their sand dunes in Utah goes to the sand dunes and rides like an atv okay, And that's like a very particular set of people. That's basically their culture all the time. And they're just kind of like a what would you someone you would meet at a gas station? 00:46:33 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that sounds like a gas station or like. 00:46:39 Speaker 3: On a cruise, on a cruise right right. 00:46:44 Speaker 2: Or just kind of like like like a seven to. 00:46:47 Speaker 3: Eleven right or outside of a Tanning Salon. Yeah, kind of thing, like. 00:46:53 Speaker 4: In a parking lot of. 00:46:58 Speaker 2: Anywhere. 00:47:00 Speaker 3: She's what we referred to as parking lot women. 00:47:03 Speaker 2: God, I feel bad. I like to meet nice but I. 00:47:08 Speaker 3: Like Miranda by the way. I think. 00:47:09 Speaker 4: I think she's probably actually the most normal. 00:47:12 Speaker 3: She kind of I feel like she's kind of almost an outsider to the group, so she brings a little bit of common sense when she's talking. Yeah, she and Macy are kind of those that's their presence. 00:47:22 Speaker 2: She and Macy are kind of like that. 00:47:24 Speaker 3: Michaela is kind of just always there to snipe at people, and her husband as quiet as a mouse. And then there's Jessie, who unfortunately brings Jordan along, who I just can't nobody. 00:47:37 Speaker 4: Likes this be done. Who's that guy? 00:47:41 Speaker 3: Well, apparently she was. I'm so sorry to the listener. 00:47:43 Speaker 2: If you're not, I'm so sorry. 00:47:46 Speaker 3: Apparently she was at least on one date with Marciano, the guy that she is, that who may have, may or may not have had an affair with from the band of Philo. Yeah, but these they're always kind of launching new uh new boyfriends on TikTok. 00:48:02 Speaker 2: We're just not sure what's real and what's not right. 00:48:05 Speaker 3: This is a particularly blurry world because there's the reality show, but then there's their social media presence that never. 00:48:11 Speaker 2: Ends, and they are trying to make it like CLICKI. 00:48:15 Speaker 3: Right all the time. Yeah, so it's a little I don't know what to trust. Yeah, it's a tough one. 00:48:22 Speaker 2: But maybe we call this like a truth candle. 00:48:25 Speaker 3: Like oh, like the truth box, like the truth box. The truth box is a desperate move, you know, each season when the producers are like, okay, what do we do now? 00:48:34 Speaker 2: One truth that you have to get out. 00:48:36 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and it's how does it work? You ask a question, you have to tell the truth about it? 00:48:43 Speaker 2: Is that right? 00:48:43 Speaker 3: I think so? And then everyone ends. 00:48:45 Speaker 2: Up screaming are you pregnant? 00:48:47 Speaker 3: Yeah? And the answer is yes. 00:48:48 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:48:50 Speaker 3: This is the other thing about this isn't they all seem to be totally fine getting pregnant at any point? 00:48:55 Speaker 2: Yes, they're just happy to be miraculous. 00:48:59 Speaker 3: Yeah. One of them had a baby in a shower recently. 00:49:02 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about that. 00:49:05 Speaker 3: This show is art. This is a tasteful program where we watch people who are in control of their lives. 00:49:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, flourish, Are you watching anything to balance. 00:49:16 Speaker 3: Out this, No, this, What could I be watching? No, I don't know what I'm trying to think of, like something that would like get. 00:49:24 Speaker 2: A documentary or no, like a art house. 00:49:29 Speaker 3: You're right. Let's see some tasteful things that I've watched recently, or things that like I kind of learned or felt like they were edifying. I watched a documentary called Marjoe, which is about a former child preacher. Oh, it's so fascinating. It was made in like the late sixties, early seventies, So that's something that people could watch that does for your brain. I watched that new series, not crazy about the title. It's called what is it called The False Prophet? Trust me, the False Prophet. Have you heard about this? Oh? 00:50:00 Speaker 4: I've seen little clips of it. 00:50:02 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I thought I was over Colts and that sort of documentary. Well, this is this thing's incredible. 00:50:09 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm gonna. 00:50:10 Speaker 3: I watched four hours in a row, barely moved. I just could not stop. 00:50:15 Speaker 2: Okay, that's incredible. 00:50:18 Speaker 3: What sort of thing are you balancing TV? 00:50:20 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, well, I'm watching twin Peaks. 00:50:23 Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good one. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: For the original the second season for the first time so I'm I'm really like watching it for the first time. So that's really fun. 00:50:33 Speaker 3: I've never finished the second season of that. 00:50:36 Speaker 4: That's where I am too. 00:50:37 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like stuck in this right, keep going back to get a little bite. 00:50:41 Speaker 3: And apparently the I think it's justified because apparently David didn't stopped, like he left halfway through or something. Yeah, and I think that's probably when it becomes less interesting or something, because I remember every time I try, I get like halfway through and I'm like, uh, I get distracted. Yeah, don't watch anymore, but I need to finish it. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's weird in front show. Very funny. God, there's there's some really funny incredible actors and moments. 00:51:09 Speaker 3: Have you ever had extensions? 00:51:11 Speaker 1: I did? 00:51:11 Speaker 3: You did? When was this? 00:51:17 Speaker 2: I had them? Well? So, I how personal do you get on this show? 00:51:23 Speaker 3: As much as anybody at all? None? Keep it to yourself. Keep it that's a good title for a podcast. Keep it to yourself. 00:51:32 Speaker 4: You don't get into a no truth box moments. 00:51:36 Speaker 3: No, let's hear about it. 00:51:37 Speaker 2: Well that serious? Yes, I love that you got really serious. 00:51:43 Speaker 4: Let's hear about it. 00:51:44 Speaker 3: This is a personal thing that involves hair extensions. Well, this is a sweet spot. 00:51:48 Speaker 2: It's really sweet. No, ill it gets into health. I had like a health okay thing right where I was on a medication. This is where people are like okay, and but also like I don't mind talking about it because people go through. 00:52:06 Speaker 3: Stuff all the time. Literally, everyone goes through something something. 00:52:10 Speaker 2: So I was I had all sort of clitis so intense. I'm fully cured that now and like on the other side of it. But I have always had really long hair, and then I didn't have like a lot of hair left. Right, Is this the part that's funny for that listener. 00:52:32 Speaker 3: I think this is this is lovely okay, And I think it is a nice giving the good side of extensions. 00:52:39 Speaker 4: Yes, they're not evil, not everybody's doing it. 00:52:43 Speaker 3: They're not always boring or it'll always just make you blend in with your six mom talk friends. 00:52:49 Speaker 2: Right. 00:52:50 Speaker 3: There are great uses for wigs, and. 00:52:52 Speaker 4: They're great uses for extensions. 00:52:54 Speaker 2: But I but I just wanted to have them, and I had them and they were so hard to have. 00:53:01 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's my that's what I'm curious them. 00:53:04 Speaker 2: They hurt and then you can't really brush through your whole hair. 00:53:09 Speaker 3: Right, but they can like go in the shower. 00:53:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, they can go in the shower and they kind of like morph to your real hair, which is cool. 00:53:15 Speaker 3: Oh okay, and how long do they last? Do they start falling off? 00:53:19 Speaker 2: They do start getting weird after like I don't know six. 00:53:23 Speaker 3: Weeks okay, Okay. 00:53:25 Speaker 2: So it starts getting like because your hair grows and they grow with it, and so you kind of just start having these things that show I. 00:53:34 Speaker 3: Just don't understand how they work. 00:53:36 Speaker 2: We got a book you have, like we gotta get you back into jay Z. 00:53:39 Speaker 3: How are they attached to your hair? 00:53:42 Speaker 2: There's like there are different kinds or some that are just clipping, there's some that are like glued in. And I think that's what Mike. 00:53:49 Speaker 3: Gal did because that would grow with your hair. 00:53:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Monique is my gallant. She's incredible, but she just yeah, kind of glued them. 00:53:59 Speaker 4: So you can't tell. 00:54:00 Speaker 2: I do think a lot it's very common right in our industry. 00:54:04 Speaker 3: Oh I'm sure, especially in a. 00:54:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, but now I don't have any and you've got such a long hair and I got long humors and people are shook. 00:54:16 Speaker 4: But I did weird like hair meditations. 00:54:19 Speaker 3: And like what's a hair meditation. 00:54:21 Speaker 2: I just found some on YouTube and they're like my hair is growing and a lots gorgeous, and I was like, yeah, I think I'm really like malleable or like open to just messaging. Oh sure, I would have been great for a cult. 00:54:37 Speaker 3: It's not too late. Well, it's never too late to be kind of abducted. 00:54:42 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll start looking out for one that's fun. But yeah, I just listened to those and and did like weird diet like a bone broth okay, collagen dying, right, I bet a. 00:54:58 Speaker 3: Bone broth diet is kind of savory. Nice. 00:55:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice, right, warm, cozy, nice, little boring, but nice. 00:55:05 Speaker 3: And how long was that whole experience? 00:55:08 Speaker 2: It was like almost a year. Okay, wow, it was a year and it was stressful. And then I started working on a show called Florida Girls. 00:55:16 Speaker 3: Oh sure, and. 00:55:19 Speaker 2: Luckily it was like time for those to come out, and we went and my hair was starting just to get kind of crazy, and it was like worked out nice for the show. 00:55:28 Speaker 3: Right, did that shoot in Florida? 00:55:30 Speaker 4: We were in Savannah, Georgia. 00:55:33 Speaker 3: Still humid, really humid. Still still hair situation. 00:55:37 Speaker 2: It's gotta be wild, yeah, what's your hair doing? 00:55:39 Speaker 3: The humidity, it gets like, not wavy, not curly, just like and something nobody was. Yeah, I kind of slightly frizzy, I would say. Yeah, I wish my hair would just commit to a texture, a texture. 00:55:53 Speaker 4: But it's your favorite climate for hair dry. 00:55:57 Speaker 3: Bone dry, Okay. My favorit climate anywhere is to be in the dissert, desert dry air. I love what about you? 00:56:05 Speaker 4: I like the moist, like the humidity. 00:56:09 Speaker 2: I love it skin wise, like being on a give me on a boat, right, I like to be a salty I'm a shelter. Yeah, I'm salty. 00:56:17 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:56:18 Speaker 2: I do like to be in like lizard type like humidity, not so much desert lizard, like a humid, frizzy haired lizard. 00:56:28 Speaker 3: Right. I like the curls, yeah, at least like for skin. Humidity is especially like I think my people come from places where you need some level of humidity. 00:56:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, where do your people come from? 00:56:41 Speaker 3: You know, like Scotland just places where dry skin. I don't know. When you're in nice humid air, you feel better. Yeah. I don't think I was just necessarily built to be in a desert, right, But here I am, and I'm loving it. I gotta get out there. 00:57:01 Speaker 2: I want to go. I haven't been. 00:57:02 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:57:03 Speaker 3: I love Palm Springs. Where do you stay when you go out there? You know? 00:57:05 Speaker 2: I don't have like I usually like an Airbnb, okay house? Where do you stay? 00:57:10 Speaker 3: Sparrow's Lodge? 00:57:12 Speaker 2: I gotta like that. 00:57:13 Speaker 3: I gotta wait for a deal though, plug glug plug plug. I wait for the deal. I gotta wait for a deal. Yeah. 00:57:18 Speaker 2: Oh, wait, where have I stayed? 00:57:19 Speaker 4: It's so fun? The Parker m I love. 00:57:23 Speaker 3: That's very nice. I won't go anywhere other than Sparrow's at this point. It's maybe my favorite place in the world. 00:57:30 Speaker 4: That's so gret. 00:57:33 Speaker 3: I think part of the secret is it's an adult's only place, so it's very quiet. 00:57:39 Speaker 2: That's nice. I like that's nice. Is it nude? 00:57:43 Speaker 3: No? No, so I'm not. I don't think I'm quite there yet. 00:57:52 Speaker 2: Have you seen that show Neighbor? 00:57:54 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that last episode. Nothing can nothing can prepare you for what you see in that episode. Wow, Listener, there's a show on HBO called Neighbors that just follows conflicts with neighbors, and the final episode has to do with a man who just wants to be all out there at all time, and he. 00:58:14 Speaker 2: Wants to pull off that little yellow long bikini bottom so bad. 00:58:21 Speaker 3: And his neighbors don't necessarily want him to do that. 00:58:24 Speaker 2: Huh, But he wants to be free. He's so tan, he wants to be in every inch of. 00:58:30 Speaker 3: Us lizard absolute and then he kind of he almost finds his people in Florida. It's no surprise there, but that's worth watching. I mean it is. That episode is like not something I've necessarily would have wanted to be eating during, but it was like, wow, wow, I just never thought I would see any of this. Now I'm seeing it. 00:58:53 Speaker 2: That really gives you a nice slice of life, yes, that you didn't know was out there? 00:58:58 Speaker 3: Right Well, I think we should play a game. 00:59:02 Speaker 2: Okay, let's doll. 00:59:04 Speaker 3: We're going to play a game called Gift or a Curse. But I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:59:09 Speaker 2: Six. 00:59:10 Speaker 3: Okay. I have to do some calculating to get our game pieces. So right now you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want. 00:59:16 Speaker 2: Okay, great. Hii Oh, I'm doing a show right now. Is the first night I'm doing it. It's called Beverly Hills the Kirk Douglas Theater. I think so yeah, and it's so much fun. And we there's this great guy, Michael A. 00:59:38 Speaker 4: Swallow. 00:59:39 Speaker 2: Do you know him? So? How I say my wonderful name Azllollo. He wrote five hundred episodes of a soap opera when he was thirteen years old. My bit hand what literally wrote them. He was obsessed with soap operas and he wrote five hunts over five episodes, and the episodes are like five pages. 01:00:03 Speaker 4: Sure, but he gets he. 01:00:05 Speaker 2: Casts people, and we don't know who we're playing or what the dialogue is at all. We just get our outfit look and then you show up and then he casts like a lot of fun people and then you read it's so much fun. So we're doing a run at the Kirk Douglas Theater right now. So that's this week doing stuff at the Groundlings always. There's a show called The Hawk that's coming out on Netflix this summer. Will Ferrell and Chris Parnell and Malay Shannon and that'll be fun to watch. 01:00:45 Speaker 3: Is there anything else? 01:00:49 Speaker 2: Cats? I love cats. 01:00:52 Speaker 3: You're on social media. 01:00:53 Speaker 2: You're on Instagram on social media, Patriska. It is my handle. 01:00:58 Speaker 3: Everybody needs to find you where it? 01:01:00 Speaker 2: Yeah? Patriska on I like Instagram the most, and you love it. 01:01:05 Speaker 3: We all love it. We love the experience. 01:01:07 Speaker 4: How can we not. 01:01:08 Speaker 2: I like it. I like the connecting with people. I like the I like the images I do. I'm old school. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: I like pictures. I do like a picture. I just wish they would end. 01:01:23 Speaker 2: You wish pictures. 01:01:24 Speaker 3: I wish you know, you know, because Instagram has become an infinite service where you can just, you know, non stop scroll. 01:01:30 Speaker 2: There is no end way, and they've made the carousels longer. Yeah, how long are they gonna get? Fifty? 01:01:36 Speaker 3: I bet fifty? Can you imagine swiping through fifty photos of somebody's September? 01:01:40 Speaker 2: We're closed, they're dump, I mean a fifty picture dump. 01:01:46 Speaker 3: Because it's currently what twenty. 01:01:47 Speaker 4: Twenty move from ten to twenty twenty is a lot. 01:01:50 Speaker 3: Twenty is a lot. 01:01:52 Speaker 4: That's a lot. 01:01:53 Speaker 3: I don't need to add process. All right, This is this is how we play Gift or a Curse. I'm going to name three things. You'll tell me if they are a gift or a curse and why, Okay, and then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers. Great, all right. This first one is from our listener named Sid gift or a curse when a public restroom has a communal sink outside of the bathrooms, so. 01:02:15 Speaker 2: You have your little stall and then you go out to the communal like male and female, like everyone shares. 01:02:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you go out and there's like, you know, it's almost part of I think that's a curse. 01:02:29 Speaker 2: Why because not that like there need to be gender roles like at all, Like I don't like everyone should be whatever and whomever they want. I think it like all of a sudden, like I feel like I'm in a closed space to do this thing that I've just done for so long, and then when it's thrown into like a community thing, I have to switch my brain to like, oh I'm in public again for this personal part right right, It's kind of like joining a circle on the aura ring or something. Everybody knows that I'm washing. I don't know. That's kind of hard, but I would say it's a curse. 01:03:08 Speaker 3: Wrong, Come on, Gift, Okay, it's the modern watering hole. This is a place we all go to meet. This is also its wash our hands. It doubles the accountability because you know before it was just oh I like that part everybody is keeping their eyes on each other as they wash hands. 01:03:27 Speaker 2: Oh, Sid, you're right, yes, because I do think there are a lot of people who don't come out washing. 01:03:33 Speaker 3: Yes hands double the you know, everybody keeping eyes on. 01:03:37 Speaker 2: You need all the eyes, right, you need all that social pressure. 01:03:42 Speaker 3: And it gives me a but I think in middle school we had kind of that thing. It gives me that kind of vibe of like, is that a good public school? 01:03:50 Speaker 1: No? 01:03:50 Speaker 3: But it's interesting, yeah, interesting feeling that you don't really expect to feel again as an adult. 01:03:57 Speaker 4: It is kind of fun. 01:03:59 Speaker 2: Where is the place where there's the mirror where you can see the other people on the other side washing their hands like it's a strong way and you can like see like the men and on the other side washing their hands and they can see the women. 01:04:14 Speaker 3: That seems illegal. 01:04:17 Speaker 2: This is what Sid wants. 01:04:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I see that. 01:04:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Number two This is from a listener named Caroline Gift for a curse. When the cashier nods or shakes their head at each of your items as they ring you. 01:04:31 Speaker 2: Up, Gift, why it feels more interactive to me than just like you know, is zoned out like tink tink. I feel like it's more like oh ah, I think I like it. I think it's like validating and like connect. It feels like a connection. 01:04:52 Speaker 3: Right, wrong, what come on? Now, that's a curse. I want their eyes up here. I don't want you looking at my groceries. Herbert, mind your own business. I didn't come here for you to. I don't I need, don't need to pass pass the cashier test. I don't need their approval. No, this is this is the truth. These are all the truth. This has nothing to The listener just suggests the thing and then I reveal the truth. Okay, And this is absolutely a curse. I don't want a cashier getting into my groceries. Really, I want them direct eye contact with me. Just pass. 01:05:31 Speaker 2: You want them severe eye contact as they check everything. 01:05:35 Speaker 3: Through eyes off of my groceries. Okay, okay, yeah, I got too wrong? All right. This third is from a listener named Bell Gift or a curse and Airbnb with no mirrors? 01:05:51 Speaker 4: Oh curse? 01:05:53 Speaker 3: Why? 01:05:53 Speaker 4: Oh my what I guess? 01:05:55 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you got Oh I'm mad if there's not a full length mirror, no mirrors? Are we airbnbing in the Amish community. That's fine, but if it's just a if we're in Pittsburgh, I'm going to need a mirror. I don't want to walk that feels you have to have them. I feel like it's a long or. 01:06:24 Speaker 3: They're currently discussing that in the Supreme Court, very contentious. 01:06:29 Speaker 2: I think you must you must, oh tell me what you think. 01:06:35 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I know. Uh oh, they're a curse. You're right, Okay, yes, this. I can't even imagine how unsettled I would be going into an Airbnb and not one. I mean I would I think I would get seasick or something. 01:06:50 Speaker 2: Even if it were a tiny home, I would expect one mirror. 01:06:54 Speaker 3: Because you know they've got some stupid piece of art on the wall. 01:06:57 Speaker 4: Yes, that should be a mirror, exactly. 01:06:59 Speaker 3: There's got a I mean, it's very interesting to think about this sort of space. 01:07:04 Speaker 2: This is very like an experiment I didn't sign up for though. 01:07:06 Speaker 3: It's very back rooms or liminal space sort of thing where it's just like, oh and I'm trapped. 01:07:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trapped. And doesn't it feel like an experiment? Yeah, Like let's see how you do, Like. 01:07:20 Speaker 3: Let's see what you find to reflect yourself in broken blast. 01:07:23 Speaker 4: Like, let's put you in like Caveman time, right, I. 01:07:27 Speaker 3: Mean, I guess it would be a good time to just reflect on everything else or not reflect. I guess that would maybe that could be Like the Airbnb is like we have experiences. This could be the experience would be they couldn't afford mirrors to put in. That's the fall experience, right, and you pay more for it. 01:07:48 Speaker 2: Right. 01:07:49 Speaker 3: If I end up in an Airbnb with an without a mirror, I'm I'm finding a hotel for the night exactly. I'm in danger. Yes, well you got one out of three. Okay, that's a. 01:08:00 Speaker 2: That's thirty three point threes three percent? 01:08:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, endless threes. I think maybe there is a good number. Okay, will you hope me answer a listener question? 01:08:13 Speaker 4: Yes, I love to all right. 01:08:14 Speaker 3: People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. Let's get into the dock here. This may be our longest email ever. Really, this is hello Bridger and disobedient guest. Okay, I hope you can help me with an issue that's been plaguing me for weeks recently, my sister in law, who works full time as a nurse's aide while also working on finishing her Bachelor of Nursing degree, decided to open a small business selling homemade breads and desserts. It's taken off like wildfire. She went from pitching this idea around the start of the holidays last year to baking everyone in our family homemade treats as Christmas gifts, to make hundreds of dollars in sales, and hosting a table at a locals farmer market within the past month alone. Wow, she's a talented baker and lovely person. We get it. Ye Okay, she got a loaf of sour dough from this parton who's doing all these different things? And there was a long human hair baked into the bread. They didn't this person didn't eat any of the hair, but the moment I saw it realize how long it was and how embedded in the bread it was, I was horrified. Oh, I fear this may stay with me for years. Okay, then we're skipping. Okay, anyway, let's see My question is I am possibly scarred for life and don't know if I should tell her or not? And we get no name there that they just said love troubled listener, Get real, go this sister in law's doing it all. Yes, I mean the first six paragraphs of this ore. Like all of the things she's. 01:09:45 Speaker 4: Doing, she's doing it all. 01:09:47 Speaker 3: I think she should put a piece of hair in every loaf. 01:09:53 Speaker 2: It's like the baby in the in the king cake. 01:09:56 Speaker 3: If you find the hair, get off her back. 01:10:02 Speaker 2: Wait, don't give her a break. She is a small business owner. Yes, she's running her female business. 01:10:13 Speaker 3: We are supporting her. 01:10:15 Speaker 2: We're supporting her. Give her a break. 01:10:17 Speaker 3: She's uh in college, she's a nurse's aide. What has this listener done other than write too long of an email. 01:10:24 Speaker 2: She's spending all of her time complaining yes, and an email to you. 01:10:30 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, maybe I think it's a jealousy thing. I think it's a like, look at Harriet. Yeah she does it all. Yeah, I'm just sitting here on my laptop. 01:10:40 Speaker 2: But she had but yeah she's but look how she's fucking it up. 01:10:48 Speaker 3: I mean, I think this listener planted the hair. I don't care if she thinks it was baked in. I think that this was planted. 01:10:54 Speaker 2: So she didn't take a bite, she didn't eat any She like held up the bread and it had like a sure. 01:11:00 Speaker 3: She made a huge deal Oh, I'm. 01:11:02 Speaker 4: Sure her husband. 01:11:04 Speaker 2: You have to hear all stopped hearing about now we're hearing about it. 01:11:09 Speaker 3: I know, I'm sure all her coworkers are like enough. 01:11:11 Speaker 2: I think there's like more things that she could be worried about. 01:11:16 Speaker 3: Create a whole. 01:11:17 Speaker 2: Big list for her. Yeah, small beans. These are tiny beans. We don't need to worry about that. 01:11:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hair and we know the source. 01:11:30 Speaker 2: You what are you going to suggest hairnets for her? 01:11:33 Speaker 3: Actually not the worst idea. 01:11:36 Speaker 2: Put your hair up, honey, while you're doing these. 01:11:38 Speaker 3: This feels like, you know, if she had written in and said I want to protect my sister in law's business, she's obviously going against health code. What do I do? 01:11:45 Speaker 2: This is what she does. She buys a second loaf. Okay, if the second loaf has a hair, we have a chit chat. If the second loaf is okay, let her have her hair mistake. 01:12:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, let her have one mistake. Demand your money back for that loaf. Of course, of course, save the receipts. 01:12:06 Speaker 2: Say I'm going to need one free loaf, I won't. 01:12:11 Speaker 3: Tell you why. And then if there's a hair in that, then we burn down the business or buy hairness exactly until then it's like, I mean, this sister in law, it's enough. 01:12:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she's got enough. 01:12:26 Speaker 2: She's she's working, she's oh, you have to wake up so early to bake. 01:12:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure you have to wake up early to be a nurse's aid or go to college. 01:12:34 Speaker 2: Exactly. She's burning the candle. 01:12:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, this woman hasn't gotten a minute of sleep. No, her hair is probably falling out because she's so tired. Give her a rest. 01:12:46 Speaker 2: Maybe it's she needs extensions. 01:12:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, now get her hair and at her extensions. But this is after buying a second loaf and discovering a clump of hair, not just a piece of hair. 01:12:57 Speaker 2: Now if there's more than one, yeah, if you're faking plump, then you build a case. 01:13:02 Speaker 3: Right. We've all had a hair in something exactly, and we didn't even know who it came from. 01:13:06 Speaker 2: It was somebody from the back. And this, you know, give her a break, No, give her. 01:13:15 Speaker 3: A break, give her a break. Wow. Well, I think we answered that question perfectly, so and uh solved that family's issues and saved to some small business. Probably, Yes, that's what we do. 01:13:28 Speaker 2: I like to support small business. 01:13:32 Speaker 3: Well, I've got my beautiful candle. Yes, it does feel slightly fired hazard fire hazardy. 01:13:38 Speaker 2: It does because it's paper, because. 01:13:40 Speaker 3: We've got just kind of loose paper around flame. I'll light it. Maybe I should light it here in the studio. Only you light it here in the studio, and then if it gets out of control, I can quickly extinguish. 01:13:54 Speaker 2: I think it's I They may just color a little bit right. 01:13:59 Speaker 3: Their picture tans will fade. 01:14:01 Speaker 4: Their tans may fade, but. 01:14:03 Speaker 3: Their smiles won't. 01:14:04 Speaker 2: I think these are pretty sturdy, and I think you're going to be praying and telling the truth and getting so many answers. 01:14:12 Speaker 3: Okay, let me just quickly. I'm going to do a quick test to make sure I know all of them. Miranda Layla, Nope, okay, I've already failed. 01:14:23 Speaker 2: And when you burn it down, there's a special surprise in there. You'll be reading a script because I use the backs of oh Perfect. So as you go you'll get a little you'll get some interesting right, don't you go from a script that I don't know what it is. 01:14:44 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for being here. I've had such a nice time listener. The podcast is over. We've come to the end of the road. This week we'll be back, get a life, I love you goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme song is by Miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said no Gifts, that's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts? 01:15:28 Speaker 2: I invit? Did you hear? 01:15:32 Speaker 1: Found a man myself perfectly clear? When you're a guest to me, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your our presences, presents. 01:15:48 Speaker 3: And. 01:15:50 Speaker 1: I'm already too much stuff. So how do you dad to survey me? 01:16:00 Speaker 2: The Beten