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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. Schmelke Tetino with you two

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Speaker 1: A one nine four five one three hashtag Giants Chat

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Speaker 1: that way you can. Thanks for being with us. Giants

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Speaker 1: taking on the Bears and their second preseason game, their

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Speaker 1: second and final home game of the preseason, as well,

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Speaker 1: trying to build on their Week one victory against the

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Speaker 1: New York Jets. Paul, We've been on in a while.

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Speaker 1: A lot of hot gone on this week. How are

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Speaker 1: you very well? John? Looking forward to that second game,

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Speaker 1: especially because we really don't know from coach Shermer how

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Speaker 1: many snaps the starters will play, a lot of speculation

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Speaker 1: around here, coach saying that he'd like to get all

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Speaker 1: four quarterbacks in like he did last week. But what

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Speaker 1: exactly does that mean? Eli played one series against the Jets,

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Speaker 1: completed one three yard passed to Scott Simonson. I had

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Speaker 1: a three and out on two other running plays and

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Speaker 1: that was the end of it. And before you know it,

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Speaker 1: it was Daniel Jones' time to play. So I truly

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Speaker 1: have no idea what it means when he says I

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Speaker 1: want all four guys to play. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I think gal four guys are gonna play. I would

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Speaker 1: not expect Eli Man's gonna play in game number four,

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Speaker 1: but he did say Daniel Jones is gonna play in

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Speaker 1: all four preseason games. He did kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: tip his cap on that over the weekend. Now, how

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Speaker 1: much they're gonna play, I mean, I think he'd like

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Speaker 1: to get Eli in minimum six plays, maybe get him

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Speaker 1: up to ten, get Daniel Jones around twenty, and then

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Speaker 1: split the rest between Tanielttas. That's not right to you

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Speaker 1: about I don't know. That's the problems the thing I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's a pure guests. Here's here's how I

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Speaker 1: think about it. If Eli Manning goes out there, the

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Speaker 1: team goes on a eight to ten play drive that

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Speaker 1: goes six to seventy yards field war touchdown, he's over.

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Speaker 1: If he has a successful drive, he's out, and then

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Speaker 1: I think you'll see Daniel Jones for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the first half, and then the second half will go

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Speaker 1: to Tanny and Loletta. I would agree with that. I

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Speaker 1: would agree with that, but of course circumstances can alter

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Speaker 1: how the game plays out. I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: think that would be the best way forward to play

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Speaker 1: out against the Bears. But but now, how about this, Uh,

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Speaker 1: if the Giants don't go on and they play drive

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Speaker 1: to open the game and have Eli lead the team

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Speaker 1: a second possession. What do you think about that? I

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Speaker 1: do not believe they will limit him to less than

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Speaker 1: I mean see, David Deal said on the MSG Giants

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Speaker 1: He believes that the aligneman need to get more familiar

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Speaker 1: with Eli's tempo, his cadence, him calling the signals out

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Speaker 1: it was funny because he wasn't talking about it in

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Speaker 1: and he's certainly had an opportunity to throw to all

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Speaker 1: He still throws at the Sterling give me though he's

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Speaker 1: that the offensive linemen need to get used to when

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was an interesting take. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's as big of a concern because

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Speaker 1: I brought that point up to David Deal as well.

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Speaker 1: commenting that Barkley a lot of times will go up

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Speaker 1: need to see Barkley carry the ball during the preseason. Well,

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Speaker 1: by I think was Paul Schwartz, whether or not that

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Speaker 1: he needed to get hit and have contact in order

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Speaker 1: But for me, I'm the type of player that, no

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Speaker 1: That was a that's what he said, And that's great.

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Speaker 1: But how do the lineman feel about it? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: interested in the running back depth chart and trying to

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Speaker 1: find out which one of those guys deserve to make

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, am I positive that Wyn Golman is gonna

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Speaker 1: And I've been wrong on these things before and maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll be wrong again, But I think Paul Perkins is

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Speaker 1: I think Rod Smith's gonna have a valuable role on

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Speaker 1: games to change everybody's mind and opinions. But that's why

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Speaker 1: they have another three weeks to go. How security think

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Speaker 1: I mean, my Bradshaw battled that kind of situation for years.

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Speaker 1: that is to severely damage his ability to stay on

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Speaker 1: Who will lead us off? Marco, what's up? Hey, what's up? Guys? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: around and we're already thinking about maybe Goodson is not

429
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Speaker 1: going to make the roster, which I agree with you.

430
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Speaker 1: So tell me about Connolly. Why who did he remind

431
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Speaker 1: you of? First of all, and it could be a

432
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Speaker 1: guy maybe maybe on the roster, or maybe it's someone

433
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Speaker 1: around the that you've seen and does he does he

434
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: stick out to you? Um? And and also I'm hearing

435
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Speaker 1: that he actually play. I could be wrong, but does

436
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: he play the same position as Ogletree, Because I'm confused

437
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: about the two middle linebackers. How do they differ from

438
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: one another? YEA, yeah, you you have a mic linebacker

439
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: and then you have the other inside linebacker. So Connolly

440
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: is considered a mike, which is what ogle Tree is.

441
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: To the life of me, I can't remember the term

442
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: that the that bet you uses for the second linebacker.

443
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: I will check on that. It's on the tip of

444
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Speaker 1: my tongue. But yeah, Connolly is the mic he ran.

445
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: He was the mic with the second unit before which

446
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: he got hurt. And now I actually talked to Tay

447
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: Davis about this the other day and I said, when

448
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: Connelly comes in, which one of you guys is getting

449
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Speaker 1: the plays, and it's Connelly. He's the one that has

450
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Speaker 1: the voice coming in his helmet, He's the one that's

451
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Speaker 1: calling the plays in the huddle. And the difference for me, Marco,

452
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: all those other linebackers you mentioned, they were run first,

453
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Speaker 1: stop the run guys, and I feel like Connolly is

454
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Speaker 1: a far better athlete than any of the other guys

455
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned, which are strictly downhill based defense stopped the

456
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: run type of linebackers. Connelly can move. He made two

457
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: really good plays on outside runs in that first preseason

458
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: game against the Jets. He didn't make the tackles on

459
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Speaker 1: the play, but he just maybe reckless, he's uh the

460
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: wrong word. But he plows into two offensive linemen on

461
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: each play, occupies blockers, and allows other defensive backs to

462
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: come in and make the tackle. So he's aggressive. He's

463
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: got good instincts. He's faster than those guys, and that's

464
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Speaker 1: why I think you should have a little bit better

465
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: hope for him than some of those other inside linebackers

466
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Speaker 1: that have been drafted over the past five or six years.

467
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Speaker 1: He does seem to have a lot more range. Range

468
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: is a good word when he's going horizontal or vertical

469
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,239
Speaker 1: coming downhill. Now the back pedal stuff. Look, he he

470
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: was known as an athletic linebacker at Wisconsin and they

471
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Speaker 1: were not afraid to have him cover people with the Giants.

472
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Speaker 1: My only concern for him is the sturdiness of him.

473
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Speaker 1: Let me rephrase a little bit. If you're gonna be

474
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Speaker 1: caught between the tackles and you've got a three thirty

475
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 1: pound guard that's gonna get to the second level and

476
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: plow into you, uh, Connolly to me, is going to

477
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: have a really hard time taking that black on and

478
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Speaker 1: winning the battle. He's only two that's problem. You know,

479
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: some of these inside linebackers are two fifty only two

480
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Speaker 1: thirty five. So John, he was two fifteen, I believe

481
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Speaker 1: in college at one point. Yeah, not as a senior obviously, no, No,

482
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Speaker 1: but he and so you know, he's a blown up.

483
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Speaker 1: He's a blown up inside linebackers. I know, I know.

484
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: And you know what, the more and more the better

485
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: teams we discover their power running game, you know. And

486
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: obviously that the Cowboys had that with Ezekiel Elliott. Okay,

487
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: let's not make any mistake about that. If he ever

488
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: shows up, Yeah, that's true. But the point being against

489
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Speaker 1: those power teams, you know, Conny, unless he is able

490
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Speaker 1: to get around the laundry or unless he's able to

491
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Speaker 1: add some power that he's gonna be able to at

492
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Speaker 1: least compete against those blockers, it's gonna be a problem

493
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Speaker 1: for him. Because if I'm an offensive coordinator, you know

494
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Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I'm telling my guys, when you get

495
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Speaker 1: to the second level, just make sure you put a

496
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: hat on that kid, and he's gonna be taken right

497
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Speaker 1: out of the play. Well, the key is getting a

498
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: hat on him, which sometimes isn't easy depending on who

499
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: you are, right. I mean again, he's got athleticism and range.

500
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Speaker 1: I think he's a legit prospect. I think in the

501
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: proper role in the giant scheme, there are things he's

502
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to do. Do you think he's built

503
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Speaker 1: much differently than a shan Lee. I'm not telling you

504
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: he's that caliber of player, but is he built differently

505
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: physically than shan Lee? Now, Shuanly couldn't stay healthy, So

506
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Speaker 1: that's the argument you make in return for that, Maybe

507
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: that's why you can't stay healthy. Busy not big enough.

508
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: But sean Lee took a pounding, took a pounding, and

509
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Conny's gonna take a pounding if he gets a lot

510
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: of snaps, and the question will be how does his

511
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Speaker 1: body hold up? Here? Here was the point after my

512
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Speaker 1: final point to your marko. I know you want to

513
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: you want to finish up. There are players who play

514
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: bigger than their frame allows. John Beeson was one of

515
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: those guys. Zuke Kickley is under two forty. I'll give

516
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: you another one years ago. Remember Nick Gryson, Giants linebacker

517
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: constantly hurt. He played the game bigger than his frame

518
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: and his body would allow. Consequently, he was always hurt.

519
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: Great guy, really good, hard nos football player, but his

520
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: body was not able to cast the check that his

521
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: heart and his mind wanted to play. That's gonna be

522
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: my question for Connolly. I like him as a football player.

523
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: He's athletic, he's productive, he's smart. In the right role.

524
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Speaker 1: If he can stay healthy and avoid this this issue

525
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about, he could be a good player

526
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Speaker 1: for the Giants and a productive player finish up. Shan

527
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: Lee was Shanlee was the guy I was thinking of. Actually,

528
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: um so um. Connolly played well in the first game.

529
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Speaker 1: He's gonna play a lot more in the second game.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's any way at all that Ogre

531
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Speaker 1: could be on the bubble? No, I do not. I

532
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: think asking that from a fourth round pick or a

533
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, right fifth round pick, this early in

534
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: his career, as a replace the guy like ogil Tree,

535
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: it's probably asking a little bit. And he's also the

536
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: soul anywhere. You know. Bet Betcher is very very pleased

537
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: with ogil Tree's mentality out there and the way he

538
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: gets guys going and lined up, and he has gone

539
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: out of his way to tell us he believes Ogil

540
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: Tree is still a three down backer. He had the

541
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: five picks last year, and despite what we know to

542
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: be true with his lapses in coverage, uh Betcher says

543
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: he's a three down backer. Just to give you some examples,

544
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: Devin White to forty coming out of school this year,

545
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: Devin Bush coming out of school with you here, just

546
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: too thirty four, and then Telvin Smith, who's a good

547
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: outside backer for the Jaguar, he's just too twenty. So

548
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: linebackers are are They're just lighter now. It's just kind

549
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: of the way the positions going, which means you've got

550
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: to enhance your power quotient. You know, your muscle per

551
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: pound has to be increased dramatically. If you're gonna play

552
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: it that way, John, you better be able to have leverage,

553
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: You better be able to shed blocks, and you better

554
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: be able to use some very very strong body parts

555
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: to be able to overcome the lack of frame that

556
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have. These guards are three. I think it's

557
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: more speed and instincts that you use your speed and

558
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: instincts to avoid those blocks and not take them on

559
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: and shed them. You know what I mean that that's

560
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: always the way around it. If you don't have the

561
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: power to deal with those guys, the best way to

562
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: do it is to run around them. But there are

563
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: hard a ton of guys who can do that. Well,

564
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: there's so much zone scheme now it's easier to do.

565
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: But a teams start running power with pulling guards to

566
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: a hole, you have no choice but to take that

567
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: player on. Or if team has a fullback in the

568
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: game and they're running, then that's it. That's when you

569
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: could a radically run into trouble. Are you on three?

570
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: Scott is down in New Mexico, He joins us. Next, Hey, Scott,

571
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: that's how you're doing today? Uh? I have two points

572
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: of First one, I kind of disagree with how much

573
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: playing times Quon Barkley should get in this game. Uh. John,

574
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: I listened to your conversation with George Chuckrewery and was

575
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: fascinated as always, And one of the one of the

576
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: points that George brought up, and in deference to you, Paul,

577
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into analytics, but God bless you, Okay,

578
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: but one of the points he made and I thought

579
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: it was a valid one is that Sequon Barkley one

580
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: of his not a shortcoming, but what he wasn't utilized

581
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: is passing down the fields compared to Camara and a

582
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: couple of other bets, and I think McCaffrey was the

583
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: other one he named. Wouldn't wouldn't this be the ideal

584
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: time to try to test that there? Because he's such

585
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: a clintessential player and such an important cog in the

586
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: wheel in the office. Ends to be able to show

587
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: what he can do against the Chicago in regards to

588
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: using him or utilizing him down the field and passing situations.

589
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I thought that would be an ideal way to do it,

590
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: and I thought he would require a little bit more

591
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: plain time in order to develop something like that. Scott's

592
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: wonder what you felt about that. It's a great question.

593
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good question. But I also

594
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: think my argument against your theory would be the Giants

595
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: if and when they decide to utilize that this year,

596
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: and I'll get more into that of what we've seen

597
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: in practice in a moment, Okay, you don't want to

598
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: show that in the preseason. You don't want to put

599
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: that on tape. You want to wait until the regular season,

600
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: show that against Dallas in a spot where you need

601
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: it and surprise him with it. Number two, the Giants

602
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: came out last Sunday. I think it was with their

603
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: first practice after the game, the offense had their best

604
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: practice of the summer in my opinion. Se Kwan Barley

605
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: caught three passes that would have went twenty plus yards

606
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: down the field. So they're shown little glimpses of it.

607
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into the pure x is

608
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: and oose of it because you know, if people are listening,

609
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: we don't want to give that away. But they ran

610
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: stuff as and lined up in the slot outside in

611
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: the backfield getting him down the field. So it's in

612
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: the playbook. They're working on it, and I don't think

613
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: you need to do that in a preseason game to

614
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: have that ready in the regular season. There's a reason, Scott,

615
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: that we was talking about everyone does everything vanilla in

616
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: these preseason games. That's exactly the type of stuff on talking. Remember, Scott,

617
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: the Giants do play the Bears during the regular season.

618
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: Also to coach Shermer has been very very specific about

619
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: saying he does not really love the idea that they're

620
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: playing three preseason games against regular season opponents, and it

621
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: does limit what you want to show them. I would

622
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: say this, I've been saying for months after Barkley won

623
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: his Rookie of the Year that the one thing you

624
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: will see more of in you two is him as

625
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: a vertical passing threat. I've been on record on the fan.

626
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say here on BBK now he will go

627
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: for a thousand, thousand, thousand rushing thousand receiving the year

628
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: thousand receiving. He will. He will, He will do a

629
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: thousand thousand. He will be the third running back in

630
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: in NFL history to do it. Roger Craig and Marshall

631
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: Falk the other two. Kwan Barkley will be the third

632
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: ever running back to go thousand thousand. It will happen

633
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: this year. I don't think it's impossible. I think he's

634
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: going to have to have at least two or three

635
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: big plays in there in order to get there. He'll

636
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: have more than that. He's gonna have to because John,

637
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: we know he's got the ability. You and I have

638
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: seen it absolutely, and and we have also seen the

639
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: fact that he is getting a lot more vertical opportunities

640
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: in camp than he did last year as a rookie,

641
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Speaker 1: and I'm just telling you what a great way to

642
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Speaker 1: bust up a back seven and to cause havoc in

643
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Speaker 1: a secondary Then all of a sudden have say Kwan

644
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Barkley running fresh down the field thirty forty yards on

645
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: a route finish up one of the questions, I can

646
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: take it off the air. Also in the conversation with George,

647
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: they were establishing that test coverage is a little bit

648
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: more important than past rush, which we sort of proved

649
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 1: theory wise last year by winning the Super Bowl. But

650
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: my question is is the Giants have I think four

651
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: excellent corners. Is it possible that because the slot corner

652
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: is so important that they might use say Joan Arris

653
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: Jenkins or potentially Corey Valentine and a slot coverage type

654
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: of position rather than Grant Haley. Because it looks like

655
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: those four cornerbacks that the Giants have a very solid

656
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: especially with the play of hopefully the Andrew Baker gets

657
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: back and you have a solid core unit. And I

658
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: was just wondering. I've been a big copponent of putting

659
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: your best four cornerbacks on the field at the same time,

660
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Speaker 1: but especially in the slot corner position. Do you think

661
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: any one of those could actually play that position. I've

662
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: never seen the put Noris Jenkins in the slot except

663
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Speaker 1: for a couple of times in games last year, just

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Speaker 1: a couple. So no, not on him. He's a good

665
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: outside corner. That's where you want him. They've put Balantine

666
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Speaker 1: in the slot a handful of times throughout the summer.

667
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Speaker 1: And when I say handful, I mean literally a handful,

668
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Speaker 1: less than five by by my memory. I actually just

669
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: talked to him today it's gonna go up on the

670
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: Gihnt Shuttle podcast, and he said in college, he did

671
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: a little stuff out of the slot. He's comfortable there,

672
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: but he said, right now, I'm much more comfortable playing outside.

673
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Speaker 1: So I think Grant Hally and Julian Love are your

674
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Speaker 1: top two slot guys right now. And quite frankly, Grant

675
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: Hally has done a nice job. Now we'll see what

676
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: happens in the game against other competition. Generally, you're not

677
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: gonna have these, you know, big towering slot guys that

678
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna have mismatches against. Now, Mike teams decided to

679
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: try to put their bigger receivers inside, they create mismatches.

680
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: Maybe but I think right now, those are your two

681
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Speaker 1: slot guys, and that's who you're gonna see featured in

682
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: those situations. Yeah, I totally agree with you, John, and

683
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: I think on rare occasions when offenses may take their

684
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: tight end and slot their tight ends, you might see

685
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: to brill Peppers give those guys a rough time coming

686
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: off the line. Agreed, real quick, I want to just

687
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Speaker 1: go off of Dave's first point in this call, and

688
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: then I'll at the Rick and Tampa next. David Cranford

689
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: will be after that. We talk about big plays, Poet.

690
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: I think if there's one thing I worry about with

691
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: the Giants offense this year, it's can they consistently make

692
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: big plays down the field, because you know, it's hard

693
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: to sustain long drives these in the athlete, you need

694
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: some explosive place, and I think the Giants have a

695
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: chance to do it in a very Patriots way this year,

696
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: where except when they had Randy Moss, the big play

697
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: guys for the Patriots, where they're running backs and they're

698
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: tight ends, and I think that's what the Giants gonna

699
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: do this year. I think they're big play threats, which

700
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: are also their mismatch threats are see Kwon Barkley and

701
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, and those are gonna be there guys that

702
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get isolated in one on one situations.

703
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Those are their mismatch players, and those are gonna be

704
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: their big play threats. It might not be the traditional

705
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: get down field from the wide receiver position type of stuff,

706
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: but there is a way to do it and NFL

707
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: teams have done it before. Yeah, I think I think

708
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: the better word to use might be the explosive plays. Yes,

709
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: I think there's there because big plays can also be

710
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: a throad and eight that you convert. I think they're sterling.

711
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: Shepherd is still going to be a big partner. When

712
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: I said big plays, I meant plus yard plays. Correct,

713
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Could call um and so and

714
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: quite frankly, with the rebuild offensive line, why not they

715
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: They should be giving Eli Manning the opportunity to make

716
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: those plays because he will have the extra second to

717
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: pick out those guys downfield as they try to woman routes.

718
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Let's go to Rick and Tampa. He wants to talk

719
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Speaker 1: about deep threats for Eli, Right, what's up? You know?

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Speaker 1: That's like the perfect lead into exactly what my comments

721
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: were about. I have hosted shows before. Go ahead, you know,

722
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Speaker 1: I all right, this is the problem I mean, and

723
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Speaker 1: and I'm my concern because you know, yes, Patriots, you

724
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: know did that. And but you know Tom Brady with

725
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: the line that he had, he was able to to

726
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: uh get his blocking was there for him. Because I

727
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: have a concern because Eli has always been a great

728
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Speaker 1: deep ball thrower. And my question we're only was who

729
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: do you think, because I still think they need that

730
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: explosive play, but who's gonna be that deep threat that's

731
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to uh get down to feel quick

732
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: enough and fast enough. We're Eli because I'm as a

733
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Speaker 1: Giants fan, I don't want to see this. In the

734
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: first couple of plays of the game, where Eli drops back,

735
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: he looks and for some reason, whether the offensive line

736
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: uh doesn't do quite their job, one of the guys

737
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: doesn't get down field quick enough and he turns his

738
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: back and he takes the sack. I think if we

739
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: all see that, it's gonna be a it's gonna be

740
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Speaker 1: a very very difficult beginning of the year. So what

741
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: my question is then, is who do you think. I

742
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: have a couple of quick questions, who do you think

743
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be that deep through and Eli could drop back?

744
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: I know we have the underneath, we have Quan, we

745
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: have we have Evan Ingram. I you know, I think

746
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: he'll if he stay sald, he's gonna be good as well.

747
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be that guy takes out for four for

748
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: four weeks, four games. So that's my one question because

749
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: I really think it's concerned. Yeah, well, I think Evaningram

750
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: down the seam is one. To be quite honest with you,

751
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that you get down the

752
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: seam if guys are playing that you know, cover three zone,

753
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: you get him in between that corner and safety. Try

754
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: to get him down that scene make big plays there.

755
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: I think in terms of traditional speed from the wide

756
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: receiver position, the guy that I'm most confident in and

757
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: becoming that type of players Darius Slayton. Now, as a

758
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: first year wide receiver. Can you think he's gonna come

759
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: out and you know, catch six balls. No, I don't

760
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: think that's fair to the kid. But can he be

761
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: a guy now? You know? But still wide receivers generally

762
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: take some time to develop. He has that four three

763
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: speed and he's he's six one, So if you can

764
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: get him going and he figures things out, he's a

765
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: guy that can be a boundary guy that can stretch

766
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: the field for you. Of all the guys at the

767
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver position, he's the guy I would feel best

768
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: about in that traditional six plus foot four three x

769
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: receiver type of role. Okay, so we'll see him Friday

770
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: night and we'll get an idea of how that gonna

771
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: how that's don't know. I'm not sure he's gonna be

772
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: quite ready, Rick. They're being very careful with him. It's

773
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: a hamsturing, first speed guy, so you might you might

774
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: have to wait for he's been practicing, he's out there,

775
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: but I think you might have to wait until Cincinnati

776
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: for him. All right, Okay, and you know what, it's

777
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: been years. I don't know how many years. What we

778
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: have to quant Yeah, he's the number one pick, but

779
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: who well, I don't think the Giants have ever had

780
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: that guy who came out of nowhere where people are

781
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: talking about six weeks into the season like that. You

782
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: believe he was a game third round guy. Look out,

783
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: great he's doing. Do you want to count Victor, Rick?

784
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to count Victor Cruz. Do you want

785
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: to count Victor Cruz on that because he was pretty

786
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: He was pretty pretty darn ord by the way, all right,

787
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: Victor Cruz, al right, alright, alright, that's that's why. But

788
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: I think Connelly is going to be that way as well.

789
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a really the thing you said, Paul,

790
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: he's smart, and I tell you, Bill Belichick built a

791
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: team around smart players, and I'm telling you that I

792
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: think he'll overcome his size with that and be just

793
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: like a Lee or a Luke over and Arolina and

794
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: real quick. As Paul, I know we've talked about X

795
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: men before, I don't I don't remember seeing him in

796
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: the first game. I maybe I wasn't looking hard enough.

797
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: We'll see him this game as well. And also Sean

798
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: O'Hara did a I think it's on the ESPN NFL

799
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: last night. Give Give the Jet went through the Giant

800
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: schedule and came up with them in ten and six,

801
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: which would seem pretty good. But he had us losing

802
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys in the first week and then winning

803
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: in the second week as the second time. I think

804
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: it's total opposite. I think we're gonna catch the Cowboys

805
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: with maybe not even Elliott back yet or possibly back

806
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: at their probably weakest at the first game. So I

807
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: think it's very important for us to win that first

808
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: game against them. But the schedule away he went through

809
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: ten and six or possibly eleven and five. I think

810
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: it's very reasonable. And I just hope that Eli gets

811
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: that time and we're not talking about after the first

812
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: game of him fought taking a sack and throwing off

813
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: the cutoff man and the check route and will be

814
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know what's coming after that. So thank you, Rick,

815
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, and I think Paul and I

816
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: both think that you can be more confident the Giants

817
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: offensive line will protect the quarterback a lot better than

818
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: they had the last couple of years. Yeah. The interesting

819
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: thought about the Dallas situation is, and you've heard me

820
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: say this for years on the show, so I cannot

821
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: back off of it now and give you a two

822
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: phase situation. When a defense has been rebuilt, it usually

823
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: takes them a month to get themselves together, especially with

824
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: the young cornerbacks. Yeah. So, and this is when we

825
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: have and young pass rushers. That's something we've talked about

826
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: all this season. Under normal circumstances. I would say to you,

827
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Speaker 1: going into Dallas opening night, we're Opening day, it's a

828
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: four o'clock game. Uh, that's a to me, that would

829
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: be a very adjective filled situation because you just don't

830
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: know how many mistakes the young defensive players are going

831
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: to make they can win that game, Paul, that'd be

832
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: a great sign though, for that it would be phenomenal.

833
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: Now here's the one caveat without Elliott there. I truly

834
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: believe Dallas is not nearly the godzilla that they would

835
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: be with him there. Oh yeah, he makes It is

836
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: a huge blow to them. Absolutely. Is it enough to

837
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: overcome the natural progression of learning and the natural mistakes

838
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: and communication that not only the Giants young defensive rookies

839
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: will have, but also some of the new veterans who

840
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: are going to be playing on that defense as well.

841
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: The Elliot thing, excuse me, I'm sorry. The Elliot thing

842
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: may may balance that out and maybe it turns out

843
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: to be okay. But you know, if Elliot's back and

844
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: he's playing, and he's in good shape and he gives

845
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: Dallas what they want, that is a very difficult game

846
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: for the Giants to win. To a one, nine, nine,

847
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: four or five on three. David Cranford has waited patiently. Dave,

848
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: what's up? You guys are the best man. I just

849
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, Like Paul, it's like sitting

850
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: there talking to a guy with like a gold jacket.

851
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: You've been around for a long time. Well, you know

852
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: that's awfully kind of you. I think John would like

853
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: to fit me with a jacket, one that's got the

854
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: arms behind the back. But well, I'm not I'm not

855
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: done yet because as far as advancement and I and

856
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: I say it, you know, I'm making sure that Dombrowski,

857
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, is listening. But at the end of the day,

858
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: like John, I don't know. I think I want to

859
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: go back to when you had the birth of your

860
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: your your child, your interviews, your questions, the way you

861
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: covered the team, the things you talk about is unbelievable.

862
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: So so Paul, he's he's running up your back, so

863
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: you better keep going. That's my only Hey, you do me.

864
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: If everyone we're done, We're gonna put you on hold

865
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: and just tell our producer where to write the check

866
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: and send it to. Okay, we ever, they've known where

867
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: I'm from, so he can he can figure that out. Now,

868
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: you guys hit a bunch of things. There's so many things.

869
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where to start with some of it.

870
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: But I will go to Dallas because I think, um,

871
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people can talk about Zeke Elliott and

872
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: and that's an easy one. And we're sitting here talking

873
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: about say Kwan and whether he's going to play or not.

874
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: You know, but he's getting a ton of reps in

875
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: practice and working with the offensive line. You know, Ezekiel

876
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: is hanging out on the beach someplace. So so that

877
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: that's just an interesting dynamic. I think the bigger person

878
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: to talk about for Dallas that no one is talking

879
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: about and you can't get any information is the is

880
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the not Well you could go there too. That's a

881
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: great points DeMarcus Lawrence. So understand the Giant. The Cowboys

882
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: franchised him. Then they ultimately signed him to the big contract.

883
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: But guess what, they didn't sign him to that big

884
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: contract until April, and then he wouldn't do the soldier

885
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: surgery until he got the contract. Go back and look

886
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: at that that injury. The way that the experts talk

887
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: about it is it's a four to six month recovery.

888
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: Four months puts him at the beginning of the season.

889
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: Six months puts him into October November, and and go

890
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: talk to other players. The thing about off seasons is this,

891
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: when you're coming back from an injury, you the thing

892
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: you miss isn't that you can't rehab the injury. You

893
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: can rehab the injury, that's fine, But what you miss

894
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: is that everybody else you're playing against is getting stronger

895
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: and better and quicker and faster. Well, Dave, Dave, Dave

896
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: real quick, just just just f y. I he had

897
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery on April eight, so the start of the

898
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: season will be the five month mark for him. On

899
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: that it will be five months in week one, So

900
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm sorry, good, good point, John, keep me,

901
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: keep me honest. So you're absolutely right. My point is

902
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: they also have Byron Jones, same situation. And then Paul,

903
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: I think it's something that you know makes would make

904
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: you laugh a little bit, Paul, and that is that

905
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: we all can sit there and debate Dak Prescott and

906
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: what he is and what he's not. I think the

907
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: thing about saying about that, and I'm not saying he's

908
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's a bad quarterback. That's not fair,

909
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: but he's not He's not an elite quarterback. Carson Wentz

910
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: is and when they came up to which was just

911
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: in the same year, the Eagles quickly signed him. Really,

912
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: no questions, Boom done. Dallas is telling you right now

913
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: exactly what they think about that. Now. I understand that

914
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: a whole lot of other issues, and they do from

915
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: a salary cap perspective, as they pay their offensive line,

916
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: you know. So my point is is that I actually

917
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: think that that first game, I think we have a

918
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: real shot to go in there. And and because I

919
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: think this season to me comes down to I want

920
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: to be four and two in the division. I want

921
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: to split the Eagles and the Cowboys, and I want

922
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: to beat Washington twice. I want to be foreign too,

923
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: and I think that this team. I'll just leave you

924
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: with this last one thought, and that is the things

925
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: that have gotten better this year for the Giants, and

926
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: Paul you said this many times. They are a better roster,

927
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: They're a deeper roster, and the and the things that

928
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: they've gotten better are complementary pieces to other parts of

929
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: the team. So the secondary is better, and that's gonna

930
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: that's going to impact the pass rush and the flexibility

931
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: of the defense. The line is better, that's going to

932
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: impact the quarterback, the receivers, and the running back. That's

933
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: why you look at this season and say, hey, we

934
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: don't have the depth, we can't sustain a whole lot

935
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: of injuries. We've got a bunch of young players that

936
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: need to step up. Those are all honest, those are

937
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: all real. But as far as the quality of the

938
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: team and where the roster is, it's it's it's it's

939
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: light years ahead of last year because of those, because

940
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: you're impacting other players. Eli is going to be better,

941
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 1: Barkley is gonna be better, Ingram is gonna be better.

942
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: The line is gonna be better, Lorenzo car is gonna

943
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: be better. I mean, you've got a lot of other

944
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: places because of the roster. I know you guys think

945
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: all that you watch it, and I love here from

946
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: appreciate the call man. Good stuff is always your last

947
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: statement is actually even understated because outside of the quarterback,

948
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: the one position that impacts more people down the line

949
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: than any other besides the quarterback is offensive line. Thing

950
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: go and so the Giants dramatic improvement on the offensive

951
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: line helps, the running game helps the passing game, helps

952
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: the defense because now you can control the ball in

953
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: the tempo and run a formute offense when you need to.

954
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: You can run a power running game when you need to,

955
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: and you can start dictating the terms of what's going

956
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: to happen on game day, all right. You can camouflage

957
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: potentially weaknesses on your defense if your offensive line allows

958
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: you to control the course of events. That's why, outside

959
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: of QB, the old line has more impact on on

960
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: the game than any other position when you consider the

961
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: factors that it touches with its its spider web type

962
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: of of of effect. And so I think I think

963
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: you're right, but I think you understated it. The Giants

964
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: offensive line, the improvement that they have gone under over

965
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: the last year immeasurable. This this this team is gonna

966
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: be a lot better than people think. And I think

967
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: the point you made about the Cowboys is a good one.

968
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: I think it's less zeke Ha Zekiel Elliott. Then it

969
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: is DeMarcus Lawrence, who has not practice is coming back

970
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: from the shoulder injury. Even if he's back, how good

971
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: is he gonna be? Zack Martin hasn't practiced all summer.

972
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't think for them. I think he has a

973
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: hip maybe or a shoulder or something like that. Look

974
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: what Zach Morton has. Byron Jones had hip surgery in

975
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: the off season. He hasn't practiced yet. Mary Cooper has

976
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: missed the last few practice with a heal injury. You know,

977
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: if that's a plan of fasciitis thing, you know how

978
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: those things can linger. So there's just a lot of

979
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries right now for the Cowboys that

980
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: could impact their team in that first week. Depending now. Again,

981
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: maybe they're just being cautious with these guys and they'll

982
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: be back and they'll be okay. I don't know. I'm

983
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: not down there. I'm not following at that Closi. Robert Quinn,

984
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: by the way, he's suspended the first big games of

985
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: the year too. They are the pass rushers, so they

986
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: have a lot of really good players. Tyrend Crawford's another one.

987
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: He's on pup for them. He hasn't done anything yet.

988
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: So they have a lot of guys that are really

989
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: important players and they have not practice and done anything.

990
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper's got a he Yeah, he's got a hell Okay,

991
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: what does Zack Barne have. That's he's the only guy

992
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: looking looking, I'm looking, I'm looking. Shawn Lee's got a

993
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: knee again, Yeah, he honestly, he barely played for them

994
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: in the least. He's got a knee also, a lot

995
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: of guys, so there's no question whether it's health or

996
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: holdouts the Cowboys. Should they go into that game with

997
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: less than a full deck, Yeah, I absolutely could see

998
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: the Giants go in there and and taking that game

999
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: from them. But if they've got the full deck, just

1000
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: the law of averages, based on the amount of changes

1001
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: that the Giants have made to their starting lineup, especially

1002
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: on defense, you'd have to believe they'd be the natural underdog.

1003
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: That's that's and and I'm not afraid to say that

1004
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: that's just football logic. Two four or five on three,

1005
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Jeff and Rhode Island. He's up next. What's up, Jeff? Hey, guys,

1006
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: how you doing this afternoon? That's good, Johnny. When I

1007
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: called you last week, I told you that I would

1008
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: be primarily focusing on the defense, and especially on the

1009
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: any kind of pressure appoly to the quarterback. I saw

1010
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: nothing of that at all from anybody. I agree the

1011
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: pass rush left something to be desired. I think that's

1012
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: a fair point. Yeah, well, I'll take it one step further.

1013
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 1: I thought they stunk the joint out. And I'll say

1014
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'll say the same thing about the

1015
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: running game. And I know, Paul, it was so very

1016
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: high on Perkins, you know, and eating. You know, he's

1017
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: playing himself off the team. Bad night, you know. But

1018
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: but one point to make one, one point, you gotta

1019
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: you gotta admit one thing though, And I'm not going

1020
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: to tell you that the pass rush was anywhere near

1021
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: what I wanted it to be or what we need

1022
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: to see, but I will add this. I will add this. Okay, Uh,

1023
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: they did have Ogil Tree out, not that that makes

1024
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: a big deal because he's not a p S rusher,

1025
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: but he does control that defensive front, and they ran

1026
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: the most vanilla of schemes. And if you know one

1027
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: thing about this Giant's defense, because they don't necessarily have

1028
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: a stud blockbuster pass rusher. Again with discounting Golden because

1029
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: until he proves he can do it again, we can't

1030
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: count on him as being a double digit sack guy.

1031
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: But here's the point. I think we both agree, John

1032
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna have to do a lot of

1033
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: their pass rush by committee with schematics. Eventually, though, someone's

1034
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to win one on one. It's gonna have

1035
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: to happen. It's gonna have to happen. But a lot

1036
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: of it is gonna be set up by schematics. And

1037
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do those schematics during the preseason. They're

1038
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: just not that's correct. Well, you know, schematics, shamatics. Okay.

1039
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: I didn't see anybody out there winning anyone out once. Okay.

1040
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: We we drafted these guys because of their potential, because

1041
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: they have alleged, you know, ability to do things. And

1042
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: I'll get the hell out there and do it. Show

1043
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: me something. Look, I know I don't care about this scheme.

1044
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: When you want to go on and get to the quarterback,

1045
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: I have not heard you this passionate and quite a while, Jeff,

1046
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: I like it fired. Johnny, you know what is bothering me?

1047
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: And if this continues to me, I'm telling you right now,

1048
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: this whole upcoming season depends on how well the Giants

1049
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: defense executes what doesn't execute? Okay, I think it's I

1050
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: think the offense will be Okay, but if it's like

1051
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: last June and de can't defense, can't stop anybody, forget it.

1052
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: You're not even gonna win five games. Thank you, Jeff,

1053
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: Thank you. Jeff's usually calm collected. He was fired up there, Paul. Well,

1054
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: he's targeting the potential achilles heels of the team, which

1055
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: we understandable, which and we have by the way, discussed

1056
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: these things at in fanitum over the last few months,

1057
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: because as many things as the Giants have improved, they

1058
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: still have some spots that are bruised, that are not

1059
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: up to speck, and you'd like to feel a lot

1060
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: better about those things. The running game, of course with

1061
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Barkley is a big different story than what we saw

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00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: the other night. But you'd like to see more push

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00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: from the offensive line because I didn't think there was

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00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: any room for any of those backs the other night

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: at all. Well, they have his two yards to carry,

1066
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: so yeah, I agree, there was no rule. No, I mean,

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00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that that Kwan would have done much

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 1: with those runs either, so that is a concern, and

1069
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: lack of pass rush is a concern. Those are the

1070
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: two achilles you know right now. Will the line, which

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00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: we think is much improved in pass protection. I'm not

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00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: that concerned about the run blocks. I think it's going

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00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: to come be as good as they have to be

1074
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: run blocking. I think they will, but until we see it,

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00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: we don't know. And and I've always said all along,

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00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: Number one was the pass rush. Pass rush is a

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00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: mystery to me. Right now, all right to three Richard,

1078
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: and new Rochelle is up next day. Richard. How are

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00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: you doing, guys? I just wanted to Yeah, I really

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00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: enjoy your program. Thank you been a giant saying for

1081
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: sixty years and I'm close closing in on eighties. But

1082
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: I have a very interesting question. Um, suppose Daniel Jones

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00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: was on Oklahoma and Murray was on Duke, who do

1084
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: you think would be the number one pick in the traft? Look,

1085
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean Kyler Murray's skill set is off the charts.

1086
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: But I think the better question is that if Jones

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00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: was on Ohio State and Haskins was on Duke, how

1088
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: would that order change based on question? Different system? John? Correct?

1089
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: And look, and here's the thing with Daniel Jones. You

1090
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: said this a million times. Not one player that Daniel

1091
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: Jalones ever played with the Duke got drafted. Not one

1092
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: and by the way, Haskins five starting offensive lineman last year,

1093
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: what three were drafted and two came into camps? Is

1094
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: free agents? Okay, what does that tell you? No? I agree,

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00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: but thank you very much. I enjoy your program and

1096
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: I'll continue to listen. Thank you very simple, Thank you, Richard.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Can I add something to the previous call?

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00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: John's absolutely Do you have the snap count for the

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: Jets game? I can bring it up. Would you kindly

1100
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: do that for me? What's your question? Well, it's not

1101
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: so much a question. I want to alert Jeff to

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00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: what he should be looking at in the Bears game.

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00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: When we're talking about the lack of a pass rush.

1104
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: Whose play count are you're looking for? Well, oh, Sat,

1105
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: Jiminez was in for over two dozen snaps by my

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00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: record players, that's correct. He had one of the higher

1107
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: play percentages for defensive players. And you know what, he

1108
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: had one assisted tackle. Quiet. Let's see was quiet? Now?

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00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: Why we discussed this yesterday with David Deal on the

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00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: MSG Show and Biloy Just real quick, Lorenzo Carter just

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: thirteen snaps, Marcus Golden just thirteen snaps. So those are

1112
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: your other two big pass rushers before, and they had

1113
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: half the snaps that Zimmin has had and Dexter Lawrence,

1114
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: by the way, just played six play for the fewest

1115
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: snaps on defensive correct. Now, does that mean that Carter

1116
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: and or Golden you know, could be excused for not

1117
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: having a big defensive play inside of their snaps. It

1118
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: doesn't excuse that, but they But he had very, very

1119
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: limited roles in that Jets game. Here's my point. I

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00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: have put a lot of expectations on Ziminez and I'm

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00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: not backing down from them because I think he's a

1122
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: very smart young man. I think he's very football savvy.

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00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 1: I think he has a tremendous speed rush skill set,

1124
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: and I think he's got a lot of tools and

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00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: he has been coached well enough to understand that there

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00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: are multiple moves that he can use to get to

1127
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He's not a one trick pony. But here's

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: my problem, John I said it last night on the show.

1129
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: David Deal agreed. Being an offensive lineman, he understands this.

1130
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Zimenez is short on two things right now, and he's

1131
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: lighting the butt. For one, he does not have the

1132
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: power quotient for his frame. So when he gets locked

1133
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: up with a big offensive lineman, he's gonna lose that

1134
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: battle of strength. Well, this is what we saw when

1135
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: he was going one on one at the Senior Bowl. Okay,

1136
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: so he needs to improve his power quotient as rapidly

1137
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: as possible, and that may not be something he can

1138
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: do right away in his rookie season. It may take

1139
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: him a full year. What is the second thing that

1140
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: he's missing, And it's important because if you don't have

1141
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: number one, you better have number two. The second one

1142
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: is you must explode off the line with leverage and

1143
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: get into get low and inside that offensive lineman or

1144
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: that tight end or that running back whoever's trying to block.

1145
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: You have to get inside, hands on him, exploding to

1146
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: him at the snap with fire, Get inside and low

1147
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: so that you can use leverage, because that's the way

1148
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: you can still beat that block. Okay, without having the

1149
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: power quotient. I think he's pretty compact when he rushes.

1150
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets too high. To you. The

1151
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: other night, he got high in the game because it's

1152
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: been a practice. He doesn't in practice. He stays low.

1153
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: He's been terrific during training camp. But the other night

1154
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: against the Jets. He did not show me that blows

1155
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: you off the line and getting proper leverage technique against

1156
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: the Jets players. I need to see that this week

1157
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: against the Bears. If I'm going to maintain this high

1158
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 1: expectation level for Ocean's Jiminez or certainly in the next

1159
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: three preseason games, show me some more of that, because

1160
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: X Man, the Giants need you. Final call the show.

1161
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: I hope Charlie takes a lesson from Richard's brevity. Is

1162
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: Charlie and Parlan Maine. Charlie, how are you? Charlie? Hey, look,

1163
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: I gotta say something there caller and I don't know.

1164
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: It's a few callers back. He said that Wentz was

1165
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: an elite quarterback until the quarterback as elite can stay

1166
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: on the field, then he becomes Charlie, you made a

1167
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: very good point. The one thing when you think about

1168
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is can he survive a season? And that

1169
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: is an absolutely fair question at this point in his career,

1170
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely fair. And he lies elite because he can stay

1171
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: on the field, and he's also one two Super Bowls

1172
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: and an m v P in both. But anyway, you

1173
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: guys gonna have He's gonna have an incredible year. I

1174
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: can see it building. I can see it in his eyes,

1175
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: I can see it in his heart. This guy is

1176
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: going to perform this year. And if they give him

1177
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: time that this offensive line seems like it will compared

1178
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: to the other offensive lines, You're gonna see a guy

1179
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: you're not even gonna hear Daniel Jones's name for the

1180
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: first eight weeks because we're gonna be winning games and

1181
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: we are going down to Dallas and beat him up

1182
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: because he miss Zeke comes back. He's probably gonna come

1183
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: back like the week before the start of the season,

1184
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: and he's going to be out of shape and he's

1185
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: not going to be himself. And Lawrence and those guys

1186
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: same thing. They're gonna be dealing with stuff. They might

1187
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: come back, but they've got to come back a little

1188
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: bit too late for that first week. So I I

1189
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: see us, I see us working in Dallas, and the

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01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: other thing about I just want to ask you about cmbal. Now.

1191
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: I know Bill is injured and all that, but he

1192
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: is actually more of an outside guy, right and he

1193
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: is an inside guy. Okay, So he's got he's still

1194
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: got some time. If he can rest this week and

1195
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: he can play the Bengals game and the Patriots game

1196
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: that he can still be a factor in our defense.

1197
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Speaker 1: A great thank you, Charlie. Okay, guys, brief, I'll keep

1198
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: your brief. You already get a tweet in real quick.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, I promise I get a tweet in. This

1200
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: guy sent it in earlier today, Rob Giants at NY Football. Jesus,

1201
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear you guys talk about the comparison

1202
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: between what Dave Gentleman is doing here and what John

1203
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: Dorsey is doing in Cleveland. Pros and cons of both.

1204
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: What do you prefer? Um are they building in the

1205
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: same way he saw how Dorsey took some chances in

1206
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: Kansas City Kaream Hunt Tyreek Hill, for example, and just

1207
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: comparing how they're going about the business the way I

1208
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: answered him online, Paul, I would war this direction. When

1209
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: Dorsey took over Cleveland, he had the g MS before him,

1210
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: had already done the hard work of going through the

1211
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: tear down and the compilation of draft picks. So when

1212
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,919
Speaker 1: he got there, he was ready to just plow forward

1213
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: right away, full speed ahead. Correct. So he is maybe

1214
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: a year or two ahead of where Dave Gentleman is

1215
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: in the Giants building process as compared to where he

1216
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: is with the Browns, And that's why I think you

1217
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: see the two guys operating a little bit differently. Might

1218
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: one take some more risk on players than the other.

1219
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: I think that might be a fair point in terms

1220
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: of culture and things like that. But I just think

1221
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: that Dorsey right now and the Browns are a different

1222
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: position than the Giants were in terms of the pace

1223
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: of their rebuild. When you compare the two teams and

1224
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: how the g MS have gone about their business, I

1225
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt about that job. Because Gentleman

1226
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 1: had to come in and scrape all the old paint

1227
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: off the walls from scratch and the and the gyms

1228
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: before Dorsey and Cleveland had already done that. I totally

1229
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: agree with that. I don't I don't think there's any

1230
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: comparison because that's a huge When you look at a

1231
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: GMS plan. If he comes in and says either it's

1232
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: a three step process or a five step process, usually

1233
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: the first one is scrape the old paint off the walls.

1234
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: That's a big part of the whole process, and it

1235
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: takes time. You can't do it all at once. And

1236
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, doors Doorscy was able to avoid step one.

1237
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: Thanks good seeing John. Are you with me tomorrow? We

1238
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: are all right, and we'll do a full preview of

1239
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: the game against the Bears. I tried to stay away

1240
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: from the game a little bit today. Do some more

1241
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: general stuff. I think we succeeded at that, and make

1242
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: sure you check it out. I want to do a

1243
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: quick promotion of the Giant Subtle podcast as well. Right now.

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Speaker 1: George Schahori, who is the analytics guy for Pro Football Focus,

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Speaker 1: that is up there. My one on one with Corey

1246
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Speaker 1: Ballentine will be going up there shortly but in an

1247
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Speaker 1: eleven minute interview with him, and you're here part of

1248
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Speaker 1: it on the radio on Friday night. But it's a

1249
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: real good spot. You learn a lot about the kid

1250
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: and how he plays the cornerback position. And by the way,

1251
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Speaker 1: let's plug the radio broadcast. You can hear it on

1252
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Speaker 1: Friday night the pregame show on Sports Radio sixty six

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Speaker 1: w f A and only on the am dial six

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Speaker 1: sixty Am begins at six thirty five seven thirty five kickoff.

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Speaker 1: If somebody doing play by play, I don't kite remember

1256
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Speaker 1: who um that that would be pulled to Tino and

1257
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Speaker 1: we have shown O'Hara in the chair next to him

1258
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Speaker 1: and we'll have a grand old time. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: your way at six thirty, So check it out. He's

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Speaker 1: on the show tonight, pauled, you know, I believe, Yes,

1262
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Speaker 1: it is Shermer tonight. Nice. I would I don't do

1263
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Speaker 1: the show. I'm asking me no, I mean, I hope

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Speaker 1: it's nice because, after all, he is the premier spokestperson

1265
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Speaker 1: for the team. Well yeah, you think, next to the GM.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check all that out with see tomorrow, Audios.