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Speaker 1: And good morning everybody from the East coast in the

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Speaker 1: United States with Malcolm Nance, with Ken Harbaugh, Edwin Starr

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Speaker 1: once sang war, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: at all, And so that seems like a good place

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Speaker 1: to start regarding what's happening off the coast of Iran

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Speaker 1: with an American armada that has been built up with

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Speaker 1: scant media coverage, Absolutely no congressional debate whatsoever, any discussion

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Speaker 1: that I can find about what happens after the first

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Speaker 1: bomb drops? How do we leave what is now soon

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Speaker 1: to be I suspect our third Middle Eastern war in

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Speaker 1: the twenty first century. And when it comes to Iran,

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Speaker 1: it's a country that is larger in the state of Alaska.

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Speaker 1: If Alaska was superimposed over the Lower forty eight, it

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Speaker 1: would take up about a sixth of the country. Iran

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Speaker 1: is two and a half times the size of Texas.

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Speaker 1: Both of you are combat veterans. The one thing that

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Speaker 1: I think every American should appreciate, even the most disinterested

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Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to start a war than it

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Speaker 1: is to end one. I remember watching before the invasion

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Speaker 1: I was shocked that there were serious people, including former generals,

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Speaker 1: And it seems self evident that no nation sends that

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Speaker 1: many assets into position at the immense cost that it does,

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Speaker 1: that it takes to do so without intending to use

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Speaker 1: the military. So here we are, there are moonless notes.

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Speaker 1: There are moonless nights over Iran for the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days. You don't want to launch aerial attacks under

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Speaker 1: to do it when it's dark. So what's happening off

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Speaker 1: the shores of Iran as we speak? And I'll start

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Speaker 1: with ken who has flown off of aircraft carriers, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get to Malcolm, who has spent his career

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Speaker 1: in military intelligence. What do you think is going on

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Speaker 1: aboard the Abraham Lincoln and the aircraft carrier George Washington

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Speaker 1: at this hour?

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Speaker 2: Ken Well, Steve, I think this is a classic case

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Speaker 2: of Chekhov's aircraft carrier. Right, you don't put something like

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Speaker 2: the largest armada assembled since the Persian Goal War. You

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Speaker 2: don't do that unless you're ready to use it. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's important to point out that this is

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Speaker 2: actually a sign of American weakness, not American strength.

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Speaker 3: We have become so isolated that.

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Speaker 2: The only tools left we have in our toolkit, the

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Speaker 2: only tool that Trump has left in his toolkit, is force.

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Speaker 2: When every problem looks like a nail and all you

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Speaker 2: have is a hammer, that's how you approach the world.

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Speaker 2: We have lost our allies, we have lost economic leverage,

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Speaker 2: we have lost all credibility. And I'm sure we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about the wag the dog phenomenon here. There

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Speaker 2: are probably domestic political considerations as well. But the real

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Speaker 2: tragedy for me is all of this is so manifestly

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Speaker 2: unnecessary when you look at where we would be today

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Speaker 2: if the JCPOA, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action had

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Speaker 2: been honored, a deal was struck with broad support across

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Speaker 2: not just among our allies, but across the world. It

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Speaker 2: would have limited Iran to less than four percent of enrichment.

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Speaker 2: It would have shipped most of the uranium out of

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Speaker 2: because our nuclear strikes, it turned out, weren't as eftive

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Speaker 3: This is all.

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Speaker 2: Posturing because America is weaker, has fewer tools, and made

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Speaker 2: stupid political decisions. The abandonment of the JCPOA was because

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Speaker 2: it was an Obama deal and Trump could not abide that.

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Speaker 3: Think about that for me.

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Speaker 2: To war because so couldn't an Obama legacy that was

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Speaker 2: limiting Iran's nuclear capability.

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Speaker 3: That's why we are where we are today.

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Speaker 1: I want to come back to make a point about that.

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Speaker 1: But but Malcolm, what what's going on? And and specifically

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Speaker 1: what are you looking for?

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Speaker 4: There?

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Speaker 1: There are some American aircraft that, for me as a layman,

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Speaker 1: But the but the mix of our heavy bombers and

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Speaker 4: Well, full disclode here. I've been running this mission oof.

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Speaker 5: The first time I deployed to the Persian Gulf slash

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Speaker 5: Did that in the Battle of Sirie Island in nineteen

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Speaker 5: its capabilities to levels that are almost unheard of, building

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Speaker 5: They took their shot that was stewing for almost twenty

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Speaker 5: I mean sorry in Natansk nuclear weapons storage facilities, and apparently,

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Speaker 5: as I called at that time, you know, the Iranians

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Speaker 4: This is a very sophisticated country.

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Speaker 5: The average person there really understands America and American politics

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Speaker 5: the way that no one in the United States understands Iran.

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Speaker 4: Right, we have a cartoonage view of them.

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Speaker 5: So when they see that something's threatened, like their nuclear

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Speaker 4: Nuclear weapons capability.

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Speaker 5: Or eliminate the Iranian military capability two point zero, then

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Speaker 5: at risk of US service members just because you can.

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Speaker 4: We are operating together symbiotically with.

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Speaker 5: The Israelis in this effect, but that should have all

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Speaker 4: The Iranians clearly got their nuclear you know, enriched uranium out.

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Speaker 5: They may have lost some of the capacity at these

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Speaker 4: They have enough material to do.

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Speaker 5: It only takes a few pounds and it doesn't take

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Speaker 4: They want to create a.

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Speaker 5: Bomb that can loft an atomic bomb at Israel or

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Speaker 5: whoever any of their other enemies are. But is that

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Speaker 5: why the US Navy is deploying right now? Is that

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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 5: It's a country of ninety three million people they have

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Speaker 5: most of them support the regime, not all of them,

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Speaker 5: And if there's any one thing I learned in my

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Speaker 4: So without a.

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Speaker 5: Trumpet administration just blowing up every IRGC building will give them,

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Speaker 5: allow them to uprise and overthrow the regime.

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Speaker 1: This is a that's a great that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: The Akhmed Chalabi and the son of the Shaw of Iran,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come. We're gonna come back to that. I

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Speaker 1: just so in nineteen eighty eight, the mission you described,

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Speaker 6: To set me right.

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Speaker 1: The issue was that the Iranians were disrupting shipping in

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Speaker 1: did was reflag, specifically Kuwaiti tankers, put them under an

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Speaker 6: That's what all of that was about.

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Speaker 5: That's Operation ernest Will, where we reflagged the Kuwaiti tankers

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Speaker 4: So we were de facto taking size with Iraq.

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Speaker 5: The Operation Ernest sorry, Praying Mantis came about because Iran

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Speaker 5: the USS Stark, no I'm sorry not to stark.

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Speaker 5: Roberts struck a mine from a minefield, which to this

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Speaker 5: Operation Praying Manus, which was supposed to devastate the Iranian

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Speaker 4: But the end state was not to overthrow the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 5: It was to show the Iranians we have the capability

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Speaker 4: However, Iran learned a lesson too.

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Speaker 5: The lesson was have overwhelming tactical force against the United

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Speaker 3: The Straits of Horror Moves. And to Malcolm's point, what's

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Speaker 5: In I just show on that distance, by the way,

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Speaker 5: I think the distance is twenty not even twenty eight miles.

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Speaker 1: And if you are, if you are joining us this

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Speaker 6: I have two copies of a.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't think we have to to speculate their tactics.

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Speaker 5: We could bring in hundreds of aircraft which we were

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Speaker 5: We destroyed what we thought was all of their air bases.

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Speaker 5: But again, if we're going to have all of this

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Speaker 4: We have different capacities.

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Speaker 5: We have bigger, different and bigger, longer, deeper target sets.

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Speaker 5: I know. I literally watched Iran for decades from the

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Speaker 5: western side of the Arabian golf, and they have asymmetric

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Speaker 5: capabilities that I think we're going to have an incident

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Speaker 5: that happened to us in nineteen eighty seven that fortunately

448
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Speaker 5: didn't go off, which was the Iranians plan to devastate

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Speaker 5: every oil field in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, and

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Speaker 5: the United Arab Emirates through landing of commandos and anti

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Speaker 5: ship missile and rockets so they could sorty out one

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Speaker 5: hundred of these boghammer small you know, Chriss crafts out

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Speaker 5: of there. And while we think they're coming for an

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Speaker 5: aircraft carrier, which they won't, they'll just land inside. The

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Speaker 5: Arabians are blowing ship up right, they could change the

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Speaker 5: entire you know, economic balance of the of of the west,

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Speaker 5: of the Eastern hemisphere.

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Speaker 4: Has anybody thought about this? I doubt it, Steve.

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Speaker 3: I want to go back to sorry, go for it?

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Speaker 6: I was, I was, no, no, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: What I wanted, what I wanted to ask, what I

462
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Speaker 1: was going to ask you is to is to play

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Speaker 1: out the de escalation as you as you see it,

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Speaker 1: from first strike into into global conflict. And and let

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Speaker 1: me let me just add just an almost certain you

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Speaker 1: guys can expand on this. I mean, there has been

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Speaker 1: no war in human history that has ever been won

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Speaker 1: by air power alone. Is that that American military doctrine

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Speaker 1: understands and generation of American leaders have understood that in

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Speaker 1: order to control a territory that requires soldiers euphemistically that

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Speaker 1: famous phrase boots on the boots on the ground.

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Speaker 6: But talk about, if.

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Speaker 1: You will, when you were going to say what you

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Speaker 1: were going to say about about how you see the

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Speaker 1: escalation taking place? And then I have another question I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you specifically, looking at your helmet as

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Speaker 1: an aviator.

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Speaker 2: I think Steve, the most escalatory event, which both of

479
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Speaker 2: you have alluded to, is going to be an image

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be the image of an American

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Speaker 2: airmen in captivity, and if we're launching the kind of

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Speaker 2: assault that it appears we're going to with that number

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Speaker 2: of those numbers of sorties and with those kinds of

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Speaker 2: air packages, we're going.

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Speaker 3: To lose someone.

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Speaker 2: And I think most people don't understand this about military aviation,

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Speaker 2: especially combat aviation. The number one killer is weather, an accident,

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Speaker 2: and whether an accident's happen a lot in this part

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Speaker 2: of the world. The US military loses something like thirty

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Speaker 2: aircraft per year.

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Speaker 3: It's just routine, it's.

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Speaker 2: Part of the accounting, and those are from accidents and

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Speaker 2: from weather and just tough situations.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't even have to be a golden BB. Although

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Speaker 3: that golden bib.

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Speaker 2: Is going to hit an American aircraft, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be an accident deep inside Iranian territory that results in

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Speaker 2: the capture of an American airman and God help us,

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Speaker 2: a failed rescue attempt, because that kind of deep rescue

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Speaker 2: with the PJS or whoever else is going in is

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Speaker 2: really really hard to do. And so I think the

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Speaker 2: escalatory event might begin with that. It might well be,

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Speaker 2: as Malcolm laid out on assault on Saudi Arabia or

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Speaker 2: the oil fields in Kuwait or something like that. But

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Speaker 2: I think it is almost inevitable if we're launching the

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Speaker 2: kind of strike we're talking about, that we see an

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Speaker 2: image of an Americ airman like we did in the

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Speaker 2: Rock War, like we we had POW's inside a rock

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Speaker 2: within a few days of launching that invasion.

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Speaker 3: And I don't see how that doesn't happen again here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, Steve, I think what you're what you're

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Speaker 5: asking is how's this thing going to unfold? And I

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Speaker 5: let me give you a timelinecause I've been thinking about

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Speaker 5: this timeline for some time. The Olympics end at two

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Speaker 5: thirty PM, right, which is eight thirty pm. I believe

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Speaker 5: in Courtina we have never seen anybody carry out and.

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Speaker 4: Attack during the Olympics.

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Speaker 5: You just don't want to, you know, ruin the vibe

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Speaker 5: for the rest of the world. I think right after

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Speaker 5: the Olympics now over there, we tend to start launching

521
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Speaker 5: around eleven thirty at night, and we tend to start

522
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Speaker 5: getting to our launching things and getting things into the

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Speaker 5: impact zones between one thirty am and four thirty am, Right,

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Speaker 5: that's zero dark thirty.

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Speaker 4: That's the zero dark thirty window.

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Speaker 5: But you're gonna get a lot of indications, right, You're

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Speaker 5: gonna get British at Acriteri right carrying out defensive fighter

528
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Speaker 5: patrols or I don't think the British are participating this time.

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Speaker 4: They've already canceled that.

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Speaker 5: The our use of RAF Fairfield, which is that where

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Speaker 5: B one bombers and.

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Speaker 4: B fifty two s would have to go.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna have to do our PA strikes out

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Speaker 5: of the United States from Witman Air Force Base, B

535
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Speaker 5: twos flying NonStop, and we're very good at that. But

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Speaker 5: then after that, every all hell's going to break loose.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have.

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Speaker 5: To battle their way in through the air defense sectors

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Speaker 5: of Iran in such a way that they you know,

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Speaker 5: with with strikes using you know, Growler strike, you know,

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Speaker 5: anti radar aircraft and special operations and clandestine services right

542
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Speaker 5: p moves. The paramilitary operations officers are gonna have to

543
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Speaker 5: go in early and start linking up with whoever they're

544
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, I taught at Seer school. I was I

545
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Speaker 5: was the only guy with a top secret SCI clearance

546
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Speaker 5: at your school. So doing clandestine, you know, putting in

547
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Speaker 5: clandestine teams to give you secure routes in and secure

548
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Speaker 5: routes out in case you had to do a ground

549
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Speaker 5: based you know, pilot recovery or something like that.

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Speaker 4: All of these pieces have to go into place. But

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Speaker 4: for Donald Trump, he'll be sitting at it.

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Speaker 5: You know, He'll be sitting somewhere and it'll be like, okay,

553
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Speaker 5: mister President, go order go. And as soon as he

554
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Speaker 5: says go, a billion pieces start flying. And the question

555
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Speaker 5: is when does it end and what purpose does it

556
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Speaker 5: end for? So, I mean it's going to be fun,

557
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Speaker 5: as we call it, bombs, guns and helicopter rides, you know,

558
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Speaker 5: But I don't understand why we're doing it other than

559
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Speaker 5: raising the price of oil above.

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Speaker 4: Seventy dollars a barrel.

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Speaker 1: One thing that has changed in Seer School since you

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Speaker 1: were in. I don't know if you caught the news

563
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: this week, but attendees at Sker at Seer School were

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Speaker 1: forced to watch the Milania movie.

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Speaker 4: I think I think that was a show.

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Speaker 6: Is I don't. I don't think it's a joke, right.

567
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Speaker 5: However, you do have a segment of Seer School called

568
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Speaker 5: Political Indoctrination countering Political Indoctrination, and when I was an

569
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Speaker 5: instructor at Sierra.

570
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Speaker 4: I was at SYR for five years.

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Speaker 5: We had Doug Hegdall, famous Pow, the guy who fell

572
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Speaker 5: off a ship and then was memorized the names of

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Speaker 5: two hundred and eighty captives in the Hanoi Hilton. And

574
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Speaker 5: he was a master of using truth mistruths, you know,

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Speaker 5: and misdirection and lies and half lies. And he had

576
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Speaker 5: me convinced at one point that Bill Clinton pardoned everyone

577
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Speaker 5: related to Monica Lewinsky. And when I left Seer School

578
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 5: that week, I went to go check the news and

579
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Speaker 5: found that that guy had lied to me with such

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Speaker 5: a plumb that I believed in the Milennia movie thing would.

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Speaker 4: Be that right, you would use it, as you know,

582
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Speaker 4: even if it weren't true.

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00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 5: It's turned out to be an internet meme that will

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Speaker 5: live because this shows you the way that propaganda works

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Speaker 5: in both directions.

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Speaker 2: Well, Malcolm, there's also the torture element of here. I

587
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Speaker 2: think that's probably where they're using it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did that too.

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Speaker 5: No, we've never used that movie on the water board,

590
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Speaker 5: but we could use.

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Speaker 4: Audio GPS from it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I knew a lot of the uh I got, I

593
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Speaker 1: was I was lucky. I got to I got to

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Speaker 1: meet a lot of the Vietnam po w's because of

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Speaker 1: my association with with John McCain. And you know, looking

596
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Speaker 1: at your flight helmet behind you, Donald Trump's quote is, uh, well,

597
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Speaker 1: I don't like the ones that get shot down, right,

598
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: just more more losers. And it on top of the

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Speaker 1: Vietnam POW's just as a matter of history, uh the

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Speaker 1: valor of the Marine Corps the Ewejima Memorial during the

601
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Speaker 1: Second World War is that I don't think most Americans

602
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Speaker 1: appreciate that above the skies of Europe, the Eighth Air

603
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Speaker 1: Force lost uh more more American airmen uh than the

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Speaker 1: Marine Corps lost in the in the Pacific. One of

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Speaker 1: the I had an opportunity to have dinner with Norman

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Speaker 1: Lear right before he turned a hundred, and he was

607
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Speaker 1: regaling the table with with tales of his time aboard

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Speaker 1: of B seventeen over over the skies of over the

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Speaker 1: skies of Europe. And you know, most of the prisoner

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Speaker 1: of war camps in Nazi Germany were filled with America's airmen,

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Speaker 1: not not America's soldiers.

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Speaker 6: And when you.

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Speaker 1: Think about Trump's obviously state a disregard right for American

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Speaker 1: soldiers who are wounded disfigured by combat. It doesn't want

615
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Speaker 1: to see them, you know, he famously said at the

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Speaker 1: White House, doesn't want them around him. Thinks that if

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Speaker 1: you get shot down, you're a loser, as someone has

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Speaker 1: flown into harm's way. Can surely to God that would

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Speaker 1: be on your mind.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what this White House's reaction is going

621
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Speaker 2: to be if and when we have an American pow

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Speaker 2: held by Iran? After everything we've seen come out of

623
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Speaker 2: this President's mouth when it comes to his disparaging of

624
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Speaker 2: POWs and his denigration of wounded Americans, the suckers and

625
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Speaker 2: losers comment. I think, look, how many times have we

626
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Speaker 2: thought there was a turning point in American public opinion

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Speaker 2: against this president and it hasn't materialized. I think that

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Speaker 2: one could be different. I think we're already starting to

629
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Speaker 2: experience it. That within the military, this deep skepticism that

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Speaker 2: this guy knows what he's doing, and honestly, it's more

631
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Speaker 2: directed at Pete Hexth. Pterxseth is the consummate blue falcon

632
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Speaker 2: and everybody knows it. And the fact that he is

633
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Speaker 2: getting away with things that would put any private into

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Speaker 2: Leavenworth from Signal Gate onwards. I don't think there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of confidence in this administration's ability to wage

636
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Speaker 2: a war like this and then to have the backs

637
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Speaker 2: of those who are carrying the burden, especially when it

638
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Speaker 2: comes to the inevitable POWs or MIAs that are going

639
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Speaker 2: to result from an action as large as this one

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Speaker 2: is likely to be.

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Speaker 1: I cannot I mean, I was going to say, I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine, right if America endures for fifty zillion years,

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Speaker 1: that there would ever be an American president who has

644
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Speaker 1: less moral authority, surrounded by people who have less moral

645
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Speaker 1: authority to start a war in a nation that he

646
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Speaker 1: has instigated into a cold civil war.

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Speaker 6: This country is divided.

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Speaker 1: It is as unready as any country could conceivably be

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Speaker 1: to fight a war, because we are not, as a

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Speaker 1: practical matter, in any way, shape or form, the United States.

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Speaker 1: We are the divided States, and we are divided because

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Speaker 1: of one evil man. What, Malcolm, are your expectations of

653
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Speaker 1: the senior leadership of the military, the Joint chiefs. We've

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Speaker 1: seen no resignations. We have seen nothing. We have heard

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Speaker 1: nothing from our celebrity generals. David Petraeus. Life is good

656
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Speaker 1: over a KKR, I suppose, But not a word, not

657
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Speaker 1: a hint, nothing from anybody. We see former junior officers

658
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Speaker 1: speaking out company grade.

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Speaker 6: We see.

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Speaker 1: You know, some staff ranks, right, Uh, you know commanders

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Speaker 1: and captains, but none of the glorified American generals.

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Speaker 6: What's going on with that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, First, let me touch on what you just asked

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Speaker 5: him about about prisoners of war. When I when I

665
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Speaker 5: got to Seer School, because I you know, I had

666
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Speaker 5: the highest security clearance there, I took over the Seer

667
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Speaker 5: archive and I read the original pink, flimsy typed copy

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Speaker 5: of John McCain's debriefing.

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Speaker 4: Right, it was about thirty pages. I've read able things

670
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Speaker 4: that happened to that man.

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Speaker 5: He is a true American hero in every sense U

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Speaker 5: of the word. And you know, Donald Trump just doesn't

673
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Speaker 5: understand what the value of service members are other than

674
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Speaker 5: to you know, salute him and honor him and to

675
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Speaker 5: do what he thinks he wants done.

676
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Speaker 4: And after Venezuela, he's fallen in love with the service member.

677
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Speaker 5: He's just fallen in love with the armed forces as

678
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 5: force as a projection of his will. When I dated

679
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Speaker 5: Praying Mantis with in nineteen eighty eight with George Bush.

680
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 5: We had very clear start orders, stop orders. And the

681
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Speaker 5: thing that I learned in that was this was a

682
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Speaker 5: president's former director of the CIA, you know, former vice president,

683
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Speaker 5: This guy, George Herbert Walker Bush understood the limits of

684
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Speaker 5: power and what he wanted to project for that period

685
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Speaker 5: of time. What we're seeing here is just really nilly

686
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Speaker 5: wanting to break shit because somebody has whispered in his ear.

687
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Speaker 4: He could get us Shale to.

688
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: Come up at eighty five dollars a barrel and they

689
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Speaker 5: can start repumping, or that he can topple Iran the

690
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Speaker 5: way he thinks he did in Venezuela and now own Iran.

691
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Speaker 4: And then he can get money out of that.

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Speaker 5: And you know, even though all of his buddies on

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Speaker 5: the west side of the Arabian golf do not want this.

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Speaker 5: Right that being said, what are this general saying about this?

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Speaker 5: There's one general that I know is talking at the

696
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Speaker 5: news media won't cover, and that's Russell Honore.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Talking to him is like talking to me or Denver

699
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Speaker 5: Riggleman or Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Right, this guy's double.

701
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Speaker 5: Fingers up when it comes to this administration. But the

702
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Speaker 5: media won't touch him. Same with my former colleague at MSNBC.

703
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Speaker 5: He rarely comes on anymore on any channel, which is

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Speaker 5: Admiral Jim Stavridi's. The man was commander of Southern Command

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Speaker 5: and was Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, and he's going

706
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Speaker 5: to have a dissenting opinion that comes from common sense, honor, courage,

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Speaker 5: on or commitment. Right.

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Speaker 4: They don't want that.

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Speaker 5: They only want generals to be technicians, not analysts. So

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Speaker 5: they want you to come up and say some of

711
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Speaker 5: the questions you asked, right, how do the.

712
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Speaker 4: Airplanes take off? How do you how long does it

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Speaker 4: take the drop bombs?

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Speaker 5: They no longer want to hear in US news media

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Speaker 5: out of fear of Trump, to hear the analytical you know, uh,

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Speaker 5: the analytical basis of any you know, strike philosophy that's

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Speaker 5: going on here that they're doing.

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Speaker 4: And look, I'm a chief, all right.

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Speaker 5: I retired as a senior chief, and as I try

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Speaker 5: to remind officers like Ken, I did the work other

721
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Speaker 5: than him, flight officers, they actually worked. But you know,

722
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Speaker 5: I'm the guy that's got to do the work, especially

723
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Speaker 5: figuring out what the enemy's doing, how they're doing it,

724
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Speaker 5: Listening to them deploying my teams to get you the

725
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Speaker 5: intelligence you need to go do that job right, but

726
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Speaker 5: which requires a level of theater and strategic thought to

727
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Speaker 5: figure out what are my opponents going to respond. Ain't

728
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Speaker 5: seeing jack shit of that in US news media. It

729
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Speaker 5: just does not exist. Now they go and they will

730
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Speaker 5: talk to a former general to hear about airplanes are deployed.

731
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Speaker 5: They do not want to hear what, you know, the

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Speaker 5: common sense things that the Tom Nichols right type of

733
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Speaker 5: analysis where he's going to give you a beatdown and

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Speaker 5: why this is just the dumbest fucking idea. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I didn't know we can use bad words. The dumbest effing.

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Speaker 4: Idea that's come in a very long time.

737
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Speaker 5: The next step after this, if this does not succeed

738
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Speaker 5: in doing anything other than raising the price of oil,

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Speaker 5: what's next round invasion?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So you talked about General Honore, I just I'm gonna

742
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go off track here for just a moment.

743
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Speaker 1: The single greatest meeting I've ever been in in my life, unbelievable,

744
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Speaker 1: beyond words, was in the command center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana,

745
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Speaker 1: forty eight seventy two hours after Katrina. I went down

746
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Speaker 1: there with Cheney, the governor was in the room, all

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Speaker 1: the congressmen and the senators, and this was when Honore

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Speaker 1: basically made his debut.

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Speaker 6: It was the most.

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Speaker 1: Epic meeting I could live to be three thousand years old.

751
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Speaker 1: There will never be anything like it. My admiration and

752
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Speaker 1: respect for that guy is immense. And when you think

753
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Speaker 1: about ice running wild in this country with their mass

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Speaker 1: and automatic weapons pointing their weapons. There's that very famous

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Speaker 1: scene from New Orleans after Katrina when the eighty second

756
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Speaker 1: Airborne came in to restore order to provide policing function

757
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Speaker 1: and they came in full kit, weapons up, and General Honorey,

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant General Honorey in the middle of the street castigating

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Speaker 1: those soldiers, telling them to put their weapons down. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they were not in a hostile territory. They were in

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Speaker 1: an American city. And I want to if you want

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Speaker 1: to go and look at something today that sends a

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Speaker 1: clear message about how despicable all of this ice power

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Speaker 1: military is. Go google Russell Honore in New Orleans giving

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Speaker 1: commands to troopers of the eighty second Airborne as they

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Speaker 1: walked by with weapons up in the city city of

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, A great a great patriot. When when you

768
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Speaker 1: guys think about this moment in time, we all believe that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'll certainly be surprised.

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Speaker 4: We're not.

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Speaker 1: We're not in the skiff, we're not in the op center,

772
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Speaker 1: we're not involved in the decision to launch a war.

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Speaker 6: But I but I think all of.

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Speaker 1: Us would be surprised if America has not undertaken military

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Speaker 1: action by by this time next week. I that's that's

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Speaker 1: where we all are, right, I would be surprised.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think you you two are in the in the

779
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Speaker 1: same boat. Where do you think three months from now

780
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Speaker 1: things will things will stand? We're regarding this where where

781
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Speaker 1: where does this lead three months from now?

782
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Speaker 2: I think a a good indicator is where we are

783
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Speaker 2: post the Maduro capture. I think if you look at

784
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Speaker 2: most of Trump's military actions, look at where we were

785
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: three months after the strikes on the nuclear sites. I mean,

786
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Speaker 2: we get all excited in the moment, and I think

787
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: in the short term this helps Trump because Americans at

788
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: their core are patriotic and there is always this rally

789
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Speaker 2: around the flag effect and the short term, But to

790
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Speaker 2: Malcolm's point, where are we taking this what's the plan?

791
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Speaker 2: Where are we going? And in three months, I think

792
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Speaker 2: it is going to become abundantly clear to the American people,

793
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Speaker 2: especially as veterans of this attack begin to talk that

794
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: there was no plan, that there was no strategic objective,

795
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Speaker 2: that this was just a game moving pieces around a

796
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: risk board for hex Seth and Trump. And I think

797
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: there is going to be a serious backlash. It hasn't

798
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Speaker 2: materialized yet on Venezuela or on the seven Apparently Donald Trump,

799
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: I've lost track, but he's bombed seven countries already. There

800
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: is going to be a reckoning, and I think it

801
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: is incumbent upon Congress. I don't think the legacy media

802
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: is going to do its job because it is not

803
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: asking the right questions.

804
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 3: It has no incentive to.

805
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: But the Democrats in Congress have to find a way

806
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 2: to shine a light on this. Congress has long since

807
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 2: abdicated its responsibility as the article one branch that declares war.

808
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: But there are some leaders and Steve you and I

809
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: know him, and Malcolm knows them. There are some examples

810
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: of leaders in Congress who can do this, and they

811
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: need to start exposing just the ridiculousness of the Trump

812
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: administration's actions on a rand and everywhere in the world

813
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: where it's deciding to drop bombs instead of take the

814
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Speaker 2: more measured approach.

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Speaker 1: I do want to say one thing, I would if

816
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: there is a place for me to go invest, like

817
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: in the stock market on this, I'd have made a

818
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: shitload of money over the last over the last eight months,

819
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Speaker 1: tracking through my predictions what Donald Trump's approval numbers would be,

820
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: he will be. You know, I've said this for a

821
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: while now. It's it's he's going to be at about

822
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Speaker 1: thirty percent by the time we get to April first. Uh,

823
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: he's in the mid thirties right now. There's a there's

824
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of regret. I wrote about how John

825
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: Lewis would receive the reluctant Trump voter back into a

826
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Speaker 1: coalition to oppose this. John Lewis would not have my instinct,

827
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: which is to want to crack them in the head

828
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Speaker 1: with the frying pan. Right, there's there's nothing that that

829
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: induces me to to too closer to near aneurysm when

830
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: I when I hear or see any of these people

831
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Speaker 1: on television or elsewhere saying oh I didn't vote for this.

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00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 6: Uh, they did vote for it.

833
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: And and there's an old saying, right, you know, people

834
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: get the government that they deserve. That that being said,

835
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Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot to be gained by yelling

836
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: at at these people. We need all of those regretful

837
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: folks to vote all of these people out, to vote them,

838
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: to vote them out of office. You have another George

839
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Speaker 1: Santos is Congressman Corey Miller stole or vegetable and valor guy.

840
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: You got family values congressman like Tony Gonzalez with six kids,

841
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: sleeping with his mistress who lights herself on fire in

842
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: her backyard, killed herself. A nest of scumbags and depravity.

843
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: That is unbelievable, you know. But this isn't the gone show, right.

844
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: He's got another thousand days plus in in office. We

845
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: can't gong them out. He's not going to be impeached

846
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: by this complicit Republican Congress. They got to be voted out.

847
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: But his popularity is collapsing, and we have a historically

848
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Speaker 1: unpopular president who's deeply implicated in a child old rape

849
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Speaker 1: scandal that just brought down a British prince who's about

850
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Speaker 1: to order America's young men and women into into harm's way.

851
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you ken to talk about moral

852
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: injury and and to explain the concept of what that means,

853
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: what those what those words are UH to to a

854
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: UH two people who are watching who are not combat

855
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: veterans of the wars UH that America engaged in in

856
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: the last in the last twenty years, there's there's been

857
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: a big enough gap now, you know where where some

858
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Speaker 1: of the guys you know, who were in Iraq in

859
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, they they got a little bit

860
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: of paunch. Now they got some gray hair. You know,

861
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: some of them might even be grandparents now. And we

862
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 1: have a new generation that is that is being yoked

863
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Speaker 1: into military combat by a buffoon who is the president,

864
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Speaker 1: and by an even bigger buffoon maybe who is the

865
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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense, who calls himself the Secretary of War,

866
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Speaker 1: who's parading around with a despicable white nationalist pastor who

867
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Speaker 1: celebrates American slavery is biblical and believes women exist for

868
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: the sole purpose of bearing children and that is their

869
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: only worth in life. Talk talk about your fears about

870
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Speaker 1: the dimensions of the moral injury about to be inflicted

871
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Speaker 1: on another generation, another cohort of Americas Fighting Men and women.

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Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for that question, Steve, and

873
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: I want to I think I want to direct my

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: answer to to the young men and women about to

875
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: go into harm's way. Moral injury is distinct from PTS

876
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: or PTSD, which is PTSD I think most people are

877
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Speaker 2: familiar with. You've experienced a traumatic event, You've been exposed

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Speaker 2: to death or dying. You might have come close yourself,

879
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: and it leaves a mark on your psyche.

880
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: Moral injury leaves a mark on your soul.

881
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: Moral injury is what happens when you're asked to do things,

882
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: in some cases compelled, forced to do things that you

883
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: know are morally wrong, and it leaves as deep of

884
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 2: a wound as the most severe effects of PTSD can leave.

885
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: And there isn't the conversation about it in the military

886
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: or at the VA. There isn't nearly the kind of

887
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: rigorous approach to treatment that we have finally developed for PTSD,

888
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: which is treatable, it is curable. I think everyone listening

889
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: to this, especially my veteran buddies, need to know that

890
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: if you've got PTS symptoms PTSD symptoms, get help.

891
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: We can help you.

892
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: Moral injury is not something we've really wrestled.

893
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: With as a community yet.

894
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: And if you need help understanding it, think about something

895
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: like me Lai and the soldiers who were involved in

896
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: that massacre and have had to live with that moral

897
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: burden ever since. That's different than PTSD, which is when

898
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: you've been in a dangerous situation that has almost killed you.

899
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: Moral injury is a wound to the soul, and it

900
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: is very, very damaging to your psyche, to your family life.

901
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to say, and I would

902
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: love Malcolm's perspective on this, but the last thing I

903
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: wanted to say to those who are who are at

904
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: the line right now is abide your oaths, follow the law,

905
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: and do it for your buddies. Do it for your wingman,

906
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: do it for your shipmates. Don't do it for the

907
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: President of the United States. Do it because you've sworn

908
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: out to the Constitution of the United States, and because

909
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: your buddies are counting on you. And the very last thing,

910
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: the best piece of advice I ever got is an

911
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: ensign was listened to your chiefs?

912
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 5: Yeah you should, that's why. Well, now that the chief

913
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 5: it's time for the senior chief to talk. You know,

914
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 5: I come from a family of chiefs. My dad was

915
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 5: master chief. I didn't strike for master chief because we

916
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 5: already had a master chief, Nancy in the family.

917
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 4: You know, my dad ran.

918
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 5: Away at age fifteen and joined the Navy in nineteen

919
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 5: forty four. Nineteen forty four, was in the Navy, did

920
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 5: the Pacific War for over a year. And you know

921
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 5: what Ken says about doing your job is what the

922
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 5: mission is. If Donald Trump gives the order to attack

923
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 5: Iran and to strike a whole series of targets there,

924
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 5: that is not an unlawful order, is a very lawful order.

925
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 5: It's within the purview of the commander in chief. And

926
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 5: everyone should set about doing their duty. As Nelson said, right,

927
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 5: go forth and do your duty. There's you have to

928
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: look out for yourselves. You have to look out for

929
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 5: the other soldier, sailors, air marines, guardians, and space cadets

930
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 5: who are part of the mission.

931
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 4: That being said, you know I always gave.

932
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 5: During my career, and why I had such a successful

933
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 5: career as a cryptologist was I could think beyond what

934
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 5: I had to do in front of me. Right, you

935
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 5: had to think if my enemy were supposed to do X,

936
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 5: how would Y respond?

937
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 4: What would it look like?

938
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 5: So I always kept this ninety five percent five percent

939
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 5: philosophy about the world. Ninety five percent chance due to

940
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 5: our technical expertise, are professionalism, things are going to go great.

941
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 5: We are very good at the waar thing right, and

942
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 5: we are good at doing it within the moral dimension

943
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 5: that started to fray in Iraq and Afghanistan due to

944
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 5: the lens of those wars. We had soldiers and marines

945
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: who were literally executing civilians, and we bought them to account.

946
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 5: But then when Donald Trump came in as president, he

947
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 5: started pardoning service members who were convicted in military courts

948
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 5: of you know, of executing, of conducting war crimes, pardoning

949
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 5: them and giving them places of honor as the rough

950
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 5: men who would do, you know, horrible things in the night.

951
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 5: So we can sleep safely. That being said, we have

952
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 5: to do we listen to me. It's like I'm still

953
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 5: in our service members should do what is correct, what

954
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: are lawful orders, but that we're gonna have ninety five

955
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 5: percent success on whatever it is is tasked out. Everyone

956
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 5: below the Chairman of the Joint chiefs of Staff is

957
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 5: going to do their job. It's the objectives of that

958
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 5: above the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that

959
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 5: are really suspect. My problem is I have to think

960
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 5: about the five percent of trouble. And I'm going to

961
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 5: give you one last analysis before I.

962
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 4: Close off here.

963
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 5: Iran could easily easily track the USS Abraham Lincoln. The

964
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 5: VBC tracked its exact location and the Gulf of Oman

965
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 5: using civilian commercial satellites just a.

966
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 4: Couple of days ago. Russia is most.

967
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 5: Likely feeding real time intelligence to the Iranians through the

968
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 5: thermal signature of that aircraft carrier and all of that.

969
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 5: And if I were the Iranians, and I want to

970
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 5: make a point about just what America can and cannot

971
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 5: do as they start bombing all of these hundreds of sites,

972
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 5: I would make sure that America has an image that

973
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 5: they won't forget, even though it might cost Iran a

974
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 5: thousand or more people. And that is I put five

975
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 5: hundred blistic missiles onto that carrier, I turn it into

976
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 5: the USS Franklin, and then I would hit a thousand

977
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 5: shaheeds behind it, and I would make sure that the

978
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 5: images that carrier burning and listing as it's brought into

979
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 5: the port of Fujaira for damage control, because Iraan has

980
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 5: only that option, right And the problem that we have

981
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 5: is we do not have a department of defense right

982
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 5: now that thinks about the five percent.

983
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 4: They view our enemies as cartoon characters.

984
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 5: They view them as these through a racist and you know, racist, sexist,

985
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 5: and religious stereotypes, that they're just a bunch of towel heads.

986
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 4: I hear people say this all the time.

987
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 5: My job, for a very good part of my career

988
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 5: was to be the black guy that spoke Arabic, which

989
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 5: means I would be tasked out to other agencies because

990
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 5: I look like the people.

991
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 4: In the environments that we would go to.

992
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 5: And one thing that I learned is I have learned

993
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 5: to respect that when you're in the camel souk, you

994
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 5: had better understand that they have been selling camels for

995
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 5: thousands of years and they're gonna beat you and cheat

996
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 5: you at that game. Like Rudyard Kipling said, right an epitaph,

997
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 5: drear of fool lies here who tried to hustle the East,

998
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 5: try to hustle these guys in their terrain.

999
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 4: It's gonna hurt. Maybe we'll win, maybe we won't. But

1000
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 4: ninety days.

1001
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 5: I don't want to have to see a carrier being

1002
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 5: towed back into the United States because the Iranians decided

1003
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 5: to launch not at Israel but it Us and devastate

1004
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 5: our battle group. We only got a couple of hundred

1005
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 5: missiles that can shoot these things down. So if you

1006
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 5: overwhelm them, you can get a carrier, and that the

1007
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 5: Chinese will pay you for.

1008
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think, I think the image of a

1009
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: burning American carrier with thousands of American sailors abandoning ship

1010
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: would yikes, see the epithet, epitaph of American power.

1011
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 6: It would doom.

1012
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Think Taiwan and the era as you point out of

1013
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: the Battle of Midway where the carriers can roam the

1014
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: oceans undetected and unseen, has has long since passed. One

1015
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: one last quick question for you, Malcolm. How many languages

1016
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: do you speak operationally?

1017
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 4: Three?

1018
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 5: Not fluently that fluently, uh three and five total? And

1019
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 5: I dabbled in four or five others like Farsi, Dari

1020
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 5: all the rest because of the nature where I had

1021
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 5: to go. So I try to learn the language where

1022
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 5: I'm at studying my Greenlandic.

1023
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: Now, I think I think Malcolm's a bit full of

1024
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: shit on this. I think he speaks at least six languages,

1025
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: right it maybe maybe eight. Malcolm's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

1026
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,479
Speaker 1: If everybody hasn't figured figured that out, Ken, I want

1027
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: to leave you with the last word, but UH, you

1028
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: brought up MELI. I've been to Me Lai, into Vietnam,

1029
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: and I spent time, uh in an afternoon with some

1030
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: of the survivors of the of the massacre.

1031
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 6: UH.

1032
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: If you want to understand in a in a vivid manner,

1033
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: what we're talking about with moral injury. UH, there is

1034
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: an American UH Army helicopter pilot named Hugh Thompson, Major

1035
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: Hugh Thompson, and Hugh Thompson witnessed from his helicopter the massacre.

1036
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: He landed his helicopter and his gun crew on his

1037
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: hueiye aimed weapons at the marauding American troops putting themselves

1038
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: between uh the American killers in the Vietnamese villagers. UH,

1039
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: and he was prepared to open fire on his own

1040
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: uh to kill uh, to kill the Americans, and UH,

1041
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, Major Hugh Thompson did a did an interview

1042
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: with the BBC, UH where he talked about that, and

1043
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: you can really see the.

1044
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 6: Depth of of of the.

1045
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: Trauma and the pain h that he endured for doing

1046
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: the right thing. And there's there's a particular question that

1047
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: that he responds to as if he's being judged, and

1048
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't being judged. The interview asked him and say

1049
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: you've been married four times and and and he you

1050
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: can tell he he takes it as a as a

1051
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: personal failing. And you can just see the deep trauma,

1052
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: the deep the deep pain etched on the face of

1053
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: a man who did who did the right right thing

1054
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: Vietnamese culture. I was struck sitting with a man on

1055
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: a very simple house with a wood fence on.

1056
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 6: The side with a cow.

1057
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: We we sat there, looked at looked at pictures. He

1058
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: was he was missing an arm, and we talked about

1059
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: William Calley, the war criminal who was lionized in the

1060
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: United States. Jimmy Carter, when he was governor of Georgia,

1061
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: called for a day where everyone would drive with their

1062
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: headlights on to to honor Rusky. But at any rate,

1063
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 1: Calli died last year or or the year the year before,

1064
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: and I was struck when I was talking to some

1065
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: of the villagers. They they asked me, I said, if

1066
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: you have any message for uh, for for Americans about

1067
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: what happened here that you that you want to know?

1068
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 6: What is it?

1069
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: And and and I this will this will stay with

1070
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: me to the to the moment I die.

1071
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 6: Uh.

1072
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: They they said, if you can't get a message to

1073
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: to William Calley, Uh, we'd like to ask that he

1074
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: come back here so that.

1075
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 6: We may forgive him.

1076
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

1077
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 6: And it was. It was a deep, deep experience.

1078
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 5: Uh.

1079
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: And can I I'd like to ask you to close

1080
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: out today bringing it back full circle.

1081
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1082
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 6: We're talking this.

1083
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: Morning on Saturday about a war not yet begun, a

1084
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: war that has not been debated in the Congress, a

1085
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: war that has not been discussed much on television. A

1086
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: war that we all believe will not be resolved like

1087
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: a video game, the touch button era of warfare, where

1088
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: Americans cheer as if they're watching a movie where one

1089
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: percent of the country serves in the military and goes

1090
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: into harms. We all believe that, through our collective and

1091
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,879
Speaker 1: individual judgments, that we're we're seeing indicates not a bluff,

1092
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: but action that is imminent. We all hope fervently that

1093
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: the country does not go to war without a plan,

1094
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: without a clear vision of how the war ends, of

1095
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: what success looks like, all the elements of what was

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Speaker 1: once understood as the as the Powell doctrine. But we

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Speaker 1: fear that that our wishes will not come true, that

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Speaker 1: that there will be military action, It will be imminent.

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Speaker 1: It is an unwise and foolish war. But we all

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Speaker 1: pray for our men and women who will be in

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Speaker 1: great danger, placed into danger unnecessarily by Donald Trump. By

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Speaker 1: Pete hegsath By, I fearingly politicized generals who care more

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Speaker 1: about their privileges and their prerequisites, their private jets, and

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Speaker 1: their large staffs than the men and women under their command.

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Speaker 1: You are a veteran of our wars of the twenty

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Speaker 1: first century, Ken, you are a political activist, you are

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Speaker 1: a leader of veterans groups. You're you're an important spokesperson

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Speaker 1: on these issues in this country. And you know, without

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Speaker 1: any question, I'd just like to give you the floor

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Speaker 1: to say whatever it is that needs to be said

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Speaker 1: at this momentous hour.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Steve, and thanks Malcolm. When this thing cooks off,

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Speaker 2: and I'm pretty confident, well I'm I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: be sleeping, because I'm going to be thinking about the

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Speaker 2: guys going downrange and hoping they all come back. But

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Speaker 2: as worried as I am, as I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: about their safety and what their families are thinking in

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Speaker 2: that moment, I am eekually worried about that moral injury

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Speaker 2: and the inevitable decision that some of them are going

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Speaker 2: to have to make whether or not to obey the

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Speaker 2: commander in chief or abide their oaths.

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Speaker 3: And I think.

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Speaker 2: About the injury done to this military that I love

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Speaker 2: by a president who cannot bear any moral burden, much

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Speaker 2: less the burden of leading the greatest military in the

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Speaker 2: history of the world. And I think back to William

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Speaker 2: Cally Steve and the dishonor he brought upon the American military,

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Speaker 2: and imagine how much greater that shame would have been

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Speaker 2: had he been not just pardoned, but lionized, had he

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Speaker 2: been put on a pedestal, had he been paraded around

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Speaker 2: the country as a hero. Today's war criminals have been

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Speaker 2: by this president and by this Secretary of Defense. Clinton Lawrence,

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Speaker 2: whose own unit said he was a war criminal, whose

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Speaker 2: own unit testified him, has been put on a pedestal

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Speaker 2: by the President and the Secretary of Defense for being

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Speaker 2: one of those tough guys who keeps us safe.

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Speaker 3: In the night.

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Speaker 2: Is not is a war criminal, He's a murderer, Eddie Gallagher.

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Speaker 2: You go down the list of people that the military

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Speaker 2: has rejected, whose own peers, whose own units have rejected

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Speaker 2: them as not upholding the standards that make the American

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Speaker 2: military different. I mean, it is even worse than what

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Speaker 2: we experienced after me Lie, because the American government is

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Speaker 2: celebrating the worst among us. It's not holding to account

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Speaker 2: the bad actors. It is putting them on a pedestal.

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Speaker 2: And that has such a deeply corrosive effect on not

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Speaker 2: just morale, but our sense of self, our sense of

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Speaker 2: who we are as an American military service member. And

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Speaker 2: that concerns me every bit as much as the danger

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Speaker 2: these men and women are about to enter.

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Nance, Thank you, Ken Harbaugh, Thank you two of

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Speaker 1: the very best. Thank you King for men and women,

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Speaker 1: and pray for peace. Good afternoon, everybody.