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Speaker 1: and however you may be listening. Thanks for making How's

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Speaker 2: Nick?

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Speaker 1: Right one hour from now, my buddy John Middlecop is

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Speaker 1: joining me. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. John, we had a

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Speaker 1: great show yesterday. It flew by. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things going on. The draft is tomorrow. Rick Patino's gonna

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Speaker 1: join us, which is how lucky are we? Really? Smart

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Speaker 1: guy and a great personnel guy, Rick Patino joins us

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Speaker 1: nine picks. Nobody's smarter than a Rick on all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: He facedful lot of those guys. But John, did you

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Speaker 1: enjoy your first and the chair?

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Speaker 2: I did?

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Speaker 3: I was surprised my key card work this morning. But

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Speaker 1: Is king card worked again? So I saw this story.

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Speaker 1: The draft is tomorrow and Cooper Flag is going to

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Speaker 1: go number one. So he played at Duke, so obviously you,

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Speaker 1: me and our dogs watched Cooper Flag play a few

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Speaker 1: times and he was in the tournament. He's a great player.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a better version eventually, not now, but eventually.

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Speaker 1: I like a Jason Tatum Brian Scalabrine who does a

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Speaker 1: really good job. He's a broadcaster in Boston. We've had

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Speaker 1: him on the show before. He was talking about what

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Speaker 1: is game? What?

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Speaker 2: What? What?

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag's game is?

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Speaker 4: Like Lebron has scored fifty thousand points, doesn't have a

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Speaker 4: Lebron's a freak of nature. Defensively, he's a freak of nature. Defensively,

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Speaker 4: Lebron can run point. He can run point sixty eight

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Speaker 1: I have never been into guys with an absolute go

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Speaker 1: And I'm not opposed to big game hunting, but I

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Speaker 1: don't consider Katie to Houston big game hunting. Jannis is

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Speaker 1: That doesn't feel like big game hunting. It's smart hunting.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of quarterbacks, Colin Josh Allen, coming off.

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Speaker 3: the city's team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they were the third biggest brand here, right

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Speaker 2: We've got the.

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Speaker 3: Dodgers, the Lakers, that's true, the Niners biggest brand Northern California.

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Speaker 3: I've lived in Philly, the Philly You got to be

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Speaker 3: the biggest brand in your own city before you can

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Speaker 3: take on the world.

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Speaker 1: Right by salesfair.

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Speaker 3: I like the big, the big thinking. Though, last but

434
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Speaker 3: not least, your guy used to be your guy. Maybe

435
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Speaker 3: you've pivoted. Russell Wilson is a member now of the

436
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Speaker 3: Giants as he lands his third team in as many seasons.

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Speaker 2: Bouncing around a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Speaking at the Fanatics Fest over the weekend, Russ broke

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Speaker 3: down his reasoning for signing with the New York Giants.

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Speaker 5: Here because of him, the big, big reason of it.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I really wanted to play with

442
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Speaker 3: the guy that's was special like them. I think also too,

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of guys that've put a lot

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Speaker 3: of hard work into it.

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Speaker 5: We've got a really good defense rushing the fasts, and we've.

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Speaker 2: Got a lot of dudes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not an anti Russ guy. I was a

448
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Speaker 1: big Ross guy because I never thought he got quite

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Speaker 1: the credit. But at some point you would have to

450
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Speaker 1: be loyal to honesty. Pete Carroll moved off him, Sean

451
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Speaker 1: Payton moved off him, and last year another team moved

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Speaker 1: off him, Mike Tomlin. So those are three Hall of

453
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Speaker 1: Fame level coaches all moved off him. And so my

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Speaker 1: take is they're seeing something on tape. There's something about

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Speaker 1: him that people aren't willing to put the hooks in

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Speaker 1: going forward, and so I just I think I've watched

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Speaker 1: and reassessed my earlier opinions.

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Speaker 3: There's no disputing for the six seven years in his prime,

459
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Speaker 3: he was one of the best players in the league.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the more dynamic player I've seen him live.

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Speaker 1: He got guys drafted.

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Speaker 2: He was incredible.

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Speaker 3: But whatever version this guy is now is no longer that.

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Speaker 3: Unless he's on the Giant that was his only option.

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Speaker 2: Where was he going?

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Speaker 3: I mean, and let's face it, if this doesn't go well,

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Speaker 3: which I don't think many people think it will, is

468
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Speaker 3: could this be his.

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Speaker 2: Last season in the NFL? You talk about this forever.

470
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Speaker 3: These big brands, these big names, it's hard for them

471
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Speaker 3: to be backups.

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Speaker 2: Could this be it?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. I had dinner with a Giants fan

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Speaker 1: last night and we were talking about Jackson Dart, and

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Speaker 1: my take is, I didn't love the draft of Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart because Russell's gonna start and let's say they won

477
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Speaker 1: a couple early games, You're gonna keep playing him. Well,

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Speaker 1: then Jackson Dart plays only later and next year there's

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Speaker 1: six potential first round draft picks at quarterback, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think Dart is as good a prospect as most

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Speaker 1: of those. So by drafting Jackson Dart, unless they flush

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Speaker 1: out the GM and the coach, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: give Jackson Dart more runway. So it's a weird. It's

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Speaker 1: a weird thing. If you're Brian Dable and you start

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Speaker 1: winning with Russ, you can make an argument. If you

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Speaker 1: start I don't think they will compiling wins. Don't play

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart right like, so don't have people see the

488
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Speaker 1: glimpses of excellence or else. Your owner is like going

489
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Speaker 1: to be no, no, don't draft this quarterback, and you're like,

490
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Speaker 1: they're much better prospects. So I think their quarterback situation's odd.

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Speaker 3: What if they're not compiling wins though, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think they are, that's where the owner is going to

493
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Speaker 3: want to see him day Ball. You know, Tomlin had

494
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Speaker 3: this weird loyalty last year to Russ as the season

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Speaker 3: went on and wouldn't go back to Justin Fields.

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Speaker 2: I don't think day Ball and Joe Shane will.

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Speaker 3: So I would expect We talked about this yesterday. Jackson

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Speaker 3: dart to be inserted much earlier than later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this as I

500
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Speaker 1: was talking to a Giants fan last night. I looked

501
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Speaker 1: up the schedule. It shows you the depth in this

502
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Speaker 1: league right now. I mean, there's some really bad teams

503
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Speaker 1: at the bottom, but if you look at the Giants schedule,

504
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Speaker 1: don't I don't have high hopes for Dallas, but Washington

505
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: was a tire fire for fifteen years. They're now special.

506
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Speaker 1: Live at their first four or five games. Chargers always underachieved.

507
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Speaker 1: Won't anymore with Harball. I mean, you get Washington, Kansas City,

508
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Speaker 1: then you go into the Chargers two weeks later, will

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Speaker 1: Sewn Sean Payton's turned around the Broncos in Denver, Philadelphia, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. There are john there. There are some bad

511
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Speaker 1: teams in this league, but because there's more and more

512
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Speaker 1: good offensive coaches, more good gms. You talked about coaches

513
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Speaker 1: in the NFC, there are not a lot of There

514
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Speaker 1: are not a lot of rest stops in this league.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans is one of the teams we know will

516
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Speaker 1: not be good. It's a short list for still not

517
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Speaker 1: an easy place to play. That's on that dome and

518
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Speaker 1: they're going to the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 3: Who knows how good that That's not an easy place

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Speaker 3: to play at the Patriots. I mean later in the

521
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Speaker 3: season that gets cold. This is a this tough schedule.

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Speaker 3: Colling Thiss got four or five wins written all over it.

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Speaker 1: Again, I was gonna say three to fourteen is not

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Speaker 1: off the radar. Oh, John Middlecoff with the news, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the news, and thanks for stupping by the heard line. Now,

526
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Speaker 1: there's always been criticism with Lebron James, and you know

527
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Speaker 1: he can be polarizing. I understand that, but I've always

528
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: thought he elevates others. He's very unselfish when it comes

529
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Speaker 1: to bad basketball. He always works for the best shot.

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Speaker 1: I defended him early in his career when people are like, well, well,

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Speaker 1: how come he doesn't take the shot? Because he's always

532
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Speaker 1: been more magic than Michael Jordan. He's a great distributor,

533
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Speaker 1: one of the great passers ever, not just just I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking, I mean I'm talking in the magic bird class.

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Speaker 1: He's a great passer. It's not always clever, but it's great.

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Speaker 1: He gets the ball right in the shooter's hands at

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Speaker 1: the perfect spot, at the perfect time. The other thing

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Speaker 1: I always defended Lebron James on is he didn't join

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Speaker 1: the Slam Dunk Contest, and people are like, why not

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan did. When Michael Jordan's brand was dunking, he

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Speaker 1: leaned into it because of his hand size and his vertical.

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Speaker 1: Michael again was like David Thompson. For those of you

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Speaker 1: in your twenties and thirties before Michael, there was a

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Speaker 1: player named David Thompson with injuries. He had a forty

545
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Speaker 1: eight inch vertical. His vertical was better than Michael Jordan's.

546
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Speaker 1: He was an unbelievable player. He didn't look like any player.

547
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Speaker 1: He was a better jumper than Doctor j and Michael,

548
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Speaker 1: but he didn't have quite the hand size apparently so,

549
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: but Michael leaned into the dunk contest. It was great

550
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: for his brand and Doctor j. But Magic didn't do it.

551
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: Bird didn't do it. Lebron could have done it, but

552
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Speaker 1: I always felt he was too big for it, the

553
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Speaker 1: same way I feel about Shoheo, Tawni and Aaron Judge. Now, yeah,

554
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: they did a home run derby once, they're too big

555
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: for it. And the story came out about Caitlin Clark

556
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Speaker 1: yesterday that she turned down a chance for the three

557
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Speaker 1: on three team at the twenty twenty four Olympics, And

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00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: it seems like an honor until you realize Jimmer Furdett

559
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Speaker 1: played on Team USA's three on three team. We have

560
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with Caitlyn Clark. Now, she is not

561
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Speaker 1: part of the moment for the WNBA. She is the moment.

562
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Speaker 1: Ratings dropped fifty five percent, not just on fever games

563
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: league wide. She's too big for this. And Tom Cruise

564
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Speaker 1: should not be on Love Island. You know, whenever I

565
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Speaker 1: see celebrities, you know, on these I've seen these celebrity

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Speaker 1: shows like a Celebrity Island or celebrity dance competitions, I

567
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: always think careers not going well. Christian Polisic I defended him.

568
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: Why should Christian Bullisic be at the Gold Cup, Olympics

569
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Speaker 1: and Europe. That's what Yokich does. He makes his money

570
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Speaker 1: in the NBA. He plays for his country. There's no

571
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Speaker 1: reason for Jokis to play for the FEEBO World Championships,

572
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Speaker 1: and there's no reason for Polisic to be in the

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Speaker 1: Gold Cup. Tiger Woods very early in his career was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to play every tournament. Scotty Scheffler now

575
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: uses great discretion when choosing tournaments. Rory McElroy has moved

576
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Speaker 1: off some so I think we have to be honest

577
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Speaker 1: about this. Caitlin Clark should be doing the Olympics. She

578
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: should be playing for the Indiana Fever. That's it. I

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Speaker 1: don't even want I wonder now at this point should

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Speaker 1: she be in the shooting contest at the All Star Game?

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Speaker 1: We know she's the best shoot in the leitue? Why

582
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Speaker 1: risk losing? Like there's what's the value. She's not gonna

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Speaker 1: make any more money. She's not gonna get any more

584
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Speaker 1: merch like for her, it has to be strategy. Years ago,

585
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Speaker 1: years ago, David Falk was Michael Jordan's agent. He told

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Speaker 1: me a fascinating story. I'm sure some of you have

587
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Speaker 1: heard it, some of you have not. But years ago,

588
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Speaker 1: Nike and they were gonna make money on this offered

589
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan to play a one on one televised tournament

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Speaker 1: against Magic Johnson, and Michael turned it down, like Lebron

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Speaker 1: has turned down the dunk contest. Michael Jordan, not Magic.

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Speaker 1: Michael turned it down because Michael was smart enough to know.

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Speaker 1: He told David Falk. He goes Magic seen as the

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Speaker 1: team guy if he beats me at one on one,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he will, but if he did,

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Speaker 1: then he's a better one on one guy and the

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Speaker 1: better team guy. We can't do that to my brand.

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Speaker 1: Did Michael Jordan lack courage? No, Michael smart. Michael knew

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Speaker 1: Michael better than Nike and David Falk. Really really talented

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Speaker 1: people knew Michael. Falk later admitted Michael was right. Michael

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Speaker 1: knew his brand better than even Falk and Nike. So,

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00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, I'm not playing magic one on one shoe

603
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Speaker 1: Atani is bigger than the home run derby Tom Cruise

604
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Speaker 1: can't be on celebrity cookoffs. I don't want to see it.

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00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: I want to see him a mission impossible and at

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Speaker 1: the con Film Festival. That's it with his arm around

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Speaker 1: Brad Pitt photo op. That's it. Okay, we got a

608
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff today, so we're gonna John and I

609
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Speaker 1: are gonna go. We're gonna do the af SEED today,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do the NFC tomorrow. Are three surprises in

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Speaker 1: the AFC. Now the AFC is viewed now, better quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: better conference? What will be three surprises. I don't know his,

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Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't know mine. That is neck, it's the hurt.

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Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 5: and neon Eastern non a EM Pacific Sunday on Fox.

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Speaker 3: With the Gold Cup quarterfinal as the US men's national

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Speaker 3: team takes on Costa Rica.

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Speaker 2: No Easy, pat No Second Chances.

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Speaker 3: Coverage begins Sunday at six pm Eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright joining us top of next hour, so a

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Speaker 1: lot of things going on. Rick Patino will join us tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I am told it is a very good draft. Last

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Speaker 1: year was very international. You know my take on this,

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Speaker 1: I think going forward, college basketball players will mostly dominate

625
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Speaker 1: the draft, where it's been very internationally driven many times.

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Speaker 1: And my theory is is that the NIL, not that

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00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: it saved college basketball, but it has made college basketball

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Speaker 1: much better. NIL. Now American colleges are able to go

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Speaker 1: buy the best European players at eighteen, and there's been

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Speaker 1: stories that they may consider shuddering the Spanish League because

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Speaker 1: American colleges down with the NIL are buying up their

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Speaker 1: best players so they come over here and play. They

633
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Speaker 1: get excellent coaching. Also, the G League, which I've always

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00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: thought is nonsense. It was like trying to hurt college

635
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Speaker 1: basketball and marginalize it. Very few G League players Amen

636
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Speaker 1: Thompson is one of the few G League guys I

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Speaker 1: really really love. Most of them never kind of define

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Speaker 1: their games. These finals were all about guys that went

639
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Speaker 1: to college for at least two years. SGA is an exception,

640
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Speaker 1: Chet Holmgren was an exception, but it was a lot

641
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Speaker 1: of two and three year players. So I think college

642
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Speaker 1: basketball is being empowered. And Rick Patino, we'll talk about

643
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Speaker 1: the draft. It is Rutger guys, and it's Arizona guys,

644
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: and it's Duke guys, and I think that helps the NBA.

645
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Speaker 1: That's what makes college football in the NFL so great

646
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Speaker 1: as the marriage is that you're rooting four against Baker Mayfield,

647
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Speaker 1: but you know who he is. You're viscerally connected to

648
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or Caleb Willilliams. You may not lin like

649
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, but you were interested in Kayla Williams because

650
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Speaker 1: of Lincoln Riley. And these college guys there's just you know,

651
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: they're either not they're going international, they're going G League,

652
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna play college basketball. You're gonna see him at

653
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Speaker 1: least one year in March. But like a Zach Edy,

654
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Speaker 1: Purdue can pony up some money and he can stay

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Speaker 1: another year. And I was interested to watch Zach Edy

656
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: last year in college basketball. If Purdue was on, I

657
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: was watching. So I think this is going to empower

658
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: college basketball. The drafts going forward are going to be

659
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Speaker 1: more It's not that they're going to be more domestic,

660
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Speaker 1: but there's gonna be higher quality, more mature players like

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag that can help you immediately. And I think

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag with that great back front line for Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I think he comes in averages eighteen a game. They're

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Speaker 1: a playoff team. I think Dallas of healthy will be

665
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Speaker 1: the second best team in the West. Next year it'll

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Speaker 1: go you know, Oka see Houston in Dallas could be

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Speaker 1: very good. John, you're looking at me. You ready to go?

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Speaker 2: I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just the gab fest over here. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do af SEED today, We're gonna do NFCED tomorrow.

671
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: These are our surprises. These would be surprising moves and

672
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: big headlines if they happen all start. I think Kansas

673
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: City is a wild card team. And Jim Harbaugh and

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Now they have their running back situation, in

675
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, set upgrade at receiver. Last year, the only

676
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: thing they were missing was juice. Offensively, their defense finish

677
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: almost near the top of the league. It went from

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00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: last to near first in one year. They built the

679
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: culture last year. But free agency and a draft, and

680
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know Harbaugh is good at the draft.

681
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be one of the better

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Speaker 1: teams in the league. I think they're an eleven twelve

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Speaker 1: win team. And the Chiefs come into the season, which

684
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Speaker 1: would concern me with offensive line issues. So I like

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Speaker 1: the Chargers to win the division.

686
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Speaker 2: You're gonna think I'm nuts.

687
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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones leads the Colts to the playoffs.

688
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Speaker 2: This race is over. He's going to be the starting quarterback.

689
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Speaker 3: You would have said two years ago, Baker Mayfield leads

690
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 3: Stamford to the playoffs, no chance. Last year, Sam Darnold

691
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Speaker 3: leads the Minnesota Vikings the fourteen wins.

692
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Speaker 2: No chance? What does he get an Indy, an offensive.

693
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Speaker 3: Coach who created the start of Jalen Hurts' career. Yes,

694
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Speaker 3: a great running game, a lot like a couple years

695
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Speaker 3: ago when he had a healthy sake one Barkley. Jonathan

696
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: Taylor almost had fifteen hundred yards last year.

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Speaker 2: The division stinks. The Jags haven't been good ever, obviously, the.

698
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Speaker 3: Houston Texas a lot of moving a lot of moving parts,

699
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Speaker 3: a lot of question marks with the offense, and the

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Speaker 3: Titans no death. So when you just look at the division,

701
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: you look at recent high picks who've resurrected their career.

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Speaker 3: The Colts have pretty good players and just a couple

703
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: of years ago Lou Amaruno. They're a new defensive coordinator,

704
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Speaker 3: one of the best defensive coordinators in the league.

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Speaker 2: Did he just get dumb overnight? No, the Bengals let

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Speaker 2: all their players go.

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Speaker 3: So I think the Colts Daniel Jones a little like

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Speaker 3: Alex Smith when Jim Harbaugh got to the Niners.

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna ask him to do something. They're not

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Speaker 2: looking for forty touchdowns here, throw me twenty.

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Speaker 1: Interesting Mike Tomlin and the Steelers after eighteen years when

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Speaker 1: a losing record will have one. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: think Baltimore, now they've upgraded their secondary, may have the

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Speaker 1: second best roster to Philadelphia in the sport. I think

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow maybe the best quarterback on any Sunday in

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Speaker 1: the sport. Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback, well, he was five

717
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Speaker 1: and twelve last year. He didn't do well with the

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Speaker 1: defensive culture in New York. There's less dysfunction in Pittsburgh,

719
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Speaker 1: but not necessarily on the offensive side. They lost their

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Speaker 1: leading rusher, their left tackle, their leading receiver. I like

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, but he can me Booty too. I just

722
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Speaker 1: think the reality is they spend too much money on defense,

723
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Speaker 1: not enough on offense. The TJ. Watt contract extension will

724
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: be hovering over their head. I don't think they're going

725
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Speaker 1: to be a six win team, but I think eight

726
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: is probably the number. Mike Tomlin finally losing record.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor seems like a good guy, but I think

728
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: this will be his last season in Cincinnati. The Bengals

729
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 3: will have a new coach twenty twenty six. This team

730
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: feels like an NBA team, star players everywhere, price something's missing.

731
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Speaker 3: I mean, their star defensive player, which you kind of need.

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Speaker 3: A pass rusher nowhere to be found. The guy they

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Speaker 3: drafted to replace him showed up, said I'm out. I

734
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Speaker 3: mean classic Bengals Joe Burrow. We saw him throw a

735
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Speaker 3: bunch of touchdowns last year, have an incredible offensive season,

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Speaker 3: they still couldn't make the playoffs. Divisions hard, We're all

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Speaker 3: gonna pick the Ravens. The conference is really hard. How

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Speaker 3: good the AFC West is now the Patriots are going

739
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Speaker 3: to be much better. We think that the AFC South

740
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: would be a little more competitive. I just think this

741
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Speaker 3: Bengals thing, you could see it coming from a mile away.

742
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Speaker 3: And the other thing when you have Joe Burrow and

743
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Speaker 3: you have Jamar Chase, some of these guys in their contract,

744
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Speaker 3: think how desirable that job would be for some of

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Speaker 3: these coaches. And I just think that Zach Taylor again

746
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Speaker 3: seems like a nice guy. They always start slow and

747
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Speaker 3: they do a lot of negative momentum.

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Speaker 2: I feel like coming into this season for the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: And my final one Dolphins blowout Mike McDaniel and the GM.

750
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Speaker 1: They went from number two scoring offense to twenty two

751
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: last year inexplicably bad offensive line and no backup to Tua.

752
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: If you have two as a quarterback, the two things

753
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: you have to have are a good old line and

754
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: a capable backup. They have neither. They overpaid for Jalen Ramsey.

755
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Now they're looking you know Tyreek Hill a lot of

756
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: splashy moves. I don't feel like there's a lot of steak.

757
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: It's a lot of sizzle. The best teams in this

758
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: league none of them have bad old lines. They just

759
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: lost Armstead just retired, so I don't like their direction.

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Speaker 1: I think McDaniels this is a team that's run through

761
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Speaker 1: coaches Scott Greer. Don't know him, but I haven't loved

762
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: the moves. I think both Greer, Chris Greer. I think

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Speaker 1: Chris Greer and Mike McDaniel are gone after eight. Remember

764
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Speaker 1: New England now is really good, potentially really good. Buffalo

765
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Speaker 1: is winning the division, third place against both the GM

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Speaker 1: and the coach removed.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Patriots, I think they make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is there a bigger coaching upgrade? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll and Mike Mike Crable's got more to work with.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, the defense stinks.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is they got an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: to go with Drake mate Josh McDaniels. Not a great

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Speaker 3: head coach, excellent offensive coordinator. Patriots' schedule not very difficult.

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Speaker 3: I like the Patriots to be playing some games in January,

775
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Speaker 3: like old times.

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Speaker 1: You know, So here we go. I got the Chargers

777
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Speaker 1: winning the AFC West. The Steelers will have a losing record,

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Speaker 1: probably eight and nine. The Dolphins start over, total reboot,

779
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Speaker 1: and then John I don't think Daniel Jones leading the

780
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Speaker 1: Colts to the playoffs. He made the playoffs in.

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Speaker 3: New York, I know, and way more talent on this roster. Again,

782
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Speaker 3: they're just looking nine to ten wins. I'm not talking

783
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Speaker 3: twelve thirteen. Could he save Chris Ballard and change Sikeins

784
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Speaker 3: career owners you passed away recently.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the girls are now in charge.

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Speaker 1: I've said, you know, I think I've said this. You've

787
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Speaker 1: heard me say this. I like everything about the Colts.

788
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Speaker 1: They when Andrew Luck retired, they get wins. It was

789
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: pretty good, and then they get Philip Rivers for a

790
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: year it was actually excellent, but they felt like the

791
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Speaker 1: late owner had a strong opinion on the quarterback situation.

792
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: And Andrew luck leaving really illustrates how hard it is

793
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Speaker 1: to find a quarterback. Because they're old. Line's good, they

794
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: get a pass rush, they've got nice receivers, they have

795
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Speaker 1: a star backfield. They have maybe the first or second

796
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: mess guard in the league. In quit Now they have

797
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: really good pieces, but when Andrew Luck retired they did

798
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: a remarkable job. Wentz into Philip Rivers. They're just trying.

799
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Speaker 1: It's a life preserver offensive situation, and Daniel Jones may

800
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: be it. We're not talking thirteen wins, but playoffs in

801
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: that division may be nine for sure. Nick right around

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Speaker 1: the corner,