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Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do, Indeed we do. I should say I can't

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Speaker 1: say it differently people for you out. Okay, So we

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Speaker 1: got new developments in whatever's going on in the housing market,

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Speaker 1: which is insane. That's what we're going to start with today.

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Speaker 1: We've got some new developments in Biden's push against domestic

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Speaker 1: terrorism and what exactly that's going to mean, as well

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Speaker 1: as some new questions being raised about what exactly happened

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Speaker 1: on January sixth. Texas is having another electricity meltdown, so

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Speaker 1: what exactly is going on there? MSNBC appears to be

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Speaker 1: doing a little bit of good old fashioned union busting.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos is crying. We'll tell you why. That's a

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Speaker 1: little tease for you there, But we did want to

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Speaker 1: start with that housing crisis. Yeah, this is pretty amazing. Also,

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Speaker 1: link down there in the description. So this is actually

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Speaker 1: a vitally important story that we've been focusing on ever

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Speaker 1: since even we were at Rising in terms of how

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Speaker 1: private equity is gobbling up the housing market and distorting it. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: as we told you, I think when we were down

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Speaker 1: in Austin and we were said, oh, there's all these

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Speaker 1: people out there, and being like, oh, who cares, black Rock.

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Speaker 1: It's cheaper housing, higher housing prices for the owners. It's fantastic. No,

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Speaker 1: the quiet part is now being said even more out loud.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen from Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: From Carl Smith, America should become a nation of renters. Quote.

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Speaker 1: The very features that made houses and affordable and stable

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Speaker 1: investment are coming to an end. Rising real estate prices

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Speaker 1: are stoking fears home ownership, long considered a core component

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Speaker 1: of the American dream, is slipping out. That may be so,

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Speaker 1: but a nation of renters is nothing to fear. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it's the opposite. Basically, here's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: Carl's argument is that there's nothing we can really do

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the housing market being totally out

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Speaker 1: of control. Thus we should accept our fate as a

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Speaker 1: nation of renters. And actually renting has all these benefits

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Speaker 1: like being able to move different places and all that.

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Speaker 1: Carl conveniently ignores one thing, which is housing is oh,

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Speaker 1: just the number one way that we accumulate inter it

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Speaker 1: generational wealth in America. If you want to know why

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Speaker 1: we have a black white wealth gap in the United States,

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Speaker 1: it's largely because of housing policies from the nineteen fifties

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Speaker 1: and nineteen sixties, rather than anything that even came before

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Speaker 1: that same thing. After two thousand and eight, Why exactly

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Speaker 1: did we have the largest drop in black wealth in

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Speaker 1: modern history. It's because black and Latino homeowners were disproportionately

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Speaker 1: more likely to get evicted from their homes lose mortgages. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and now they have nothing in order to pass on

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Speaker 1: to their children, who are then now currently in debt,

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Speaker 1: have nothing to borrow against. I can go all the

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Speaker 1: way down in terms of the tax benefits of housing,

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Speaker 1: the social benefits of housing, the communitarian aspect. This is

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Speaker 1: pure neoliberal brain of Oh, you know what, screw you.

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Speaker 1: You basically should just be a widget in a machine. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you know who I've been saying this the housing,

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Speaker 1: the private equity people have been salivating at the idea

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Speaker 1: profitable transaction in American history. That's what this is all about, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: This is very troubling in order to see this type

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Speaker 1: think like human beings. Right, So your housing investment, instead

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Speaker 1: now helping the people who already have all the wealth

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Speaker 1: accumulate wealth. That's basically what we're talking about here. There's

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Speaker 1: a percentage point to GDP, So overall this will be

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Speaker 1: a a thing for people. That may be true if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at this like a psychopath who doesn't care

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Speaker 1: about like the individual humans are involved. They throw around

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Speaker 1: terms like creative destruction. What does that mean? That means

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Speaker 1: your town is screwed. That's what that town means. That's

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Speaker 1: what that term means. It means that we're gonna suck

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Speaker 1: all the jobs out and we don't really care if

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Speaker 1: shut down and all the factories rotting out, Like frankly,

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Speaker 1: most of the country became because of those types of policy.

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Speaker 1: So he's making the housing equivalent of that argument, like overall,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna make markets more efficient, the housing stock

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Speaker 1: if you ignore the human cost of what this looks

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Speaker 1: like on a person a person basis, Yes, if you're

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Speaker 1: good for you. You're building well. If the housing prices

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Speaker 1: with individual homeowners coming in with all cash coming in

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Speaker 1: class of people, the majority of Americans who haven't made

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Speaker 1: it to be able to own a home and accumulate

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Speaker 1: any wealth whatsoever, then this is a disaster. And the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal has a look at they've actually surprisingly

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they talk to a number of prospective buyers,

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Speaker 1: that like even when they come in above asking price.

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Speaker 1: If they don't have a either all cash or significant

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Speaker 1: in so that's very different from what we've seen in

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Speaker 1: One of the realtors that they talked to said, I'd

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Speaker 1: buyers are getting gifts right now, meaning that they've got

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Speaker 1: don't stand a chance. You're dead. This guy who they

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Speaker 1: renting for now, which means you're more years of not

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Speaker 1: being able to build wealth, and we'll try to save

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Speaker 1: for a larger down payment so that maybe down the

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Speaker 1: it looks like a losing race for people or first

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Speaker 1: according to this journal piece from the National from the NAAR,

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Speaker 1: which is a national I think association of realtors, the

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Speaker 1: median home price in the United States right now has

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Speaker 1: gone up by nineteen percent from a year earlier. Nineteen percent.

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Speaker 1: That's astronomical. That goes up to three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: one six hundred dollars. Now, according to this, you basically

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean that is sixty eight thousand,

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Speaker 1: think a standard deviation above the average family yearly income

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Speaker 1: up that type of money? This is completely impossible. This

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Speaker 1: that they also are not They're also getting preferential rates

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Speaker 1: you're cannet men. Buy the house, Oh you have five percent,

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Speaker 1: and let's say, by a miracle you get the mortgage,

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Speaker 1: have a much larger principle that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: we're seeing here is that, of course, like all things

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Speaker 1: largely the entire lower middle class. You don't even have

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Speaker 1: And I think that's immoral because the way that we're

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Speaker 1: become a nation of renters. Okay, if you're somebody like me,

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Speaker 1: the last four years. You know, Like I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: And if you look at and this is why I'm

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Speaker 1: number one reason why people say that they're not getting

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Speaker 1: married or especially not having kids, they say they don't

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Speaker 1: have the ability to do so. Housing is a huge

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Speaker 1: part of that story. Yeah, whenever you're a renter, guess what,

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Speaker 1: you don't control the price of your abode. And maybe

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Speaker 1: this is what happened to me. A landlord can just

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Speaker 1: be like, ah, you got to get out of here. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: Like it's my place. I've decided I want to sell it.

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Speaker 1: which is amazing. Chris Cuomo when covering this, he goes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about what is true and not true. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCay. Oh, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna ask the former spook guy who was in

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Speaker 1: charge of some of this stuff, in order to weigh

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Speaker 1: in on whether there were spooks embedded in January sixth.

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Speaker 1: This is actually more of a media point than it

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Speaker 1: is around the actual allegation itself. Asked, I don't know,

435
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Speaker 1: and listen, I'm staying tuned. Frankly, it would not shock

436
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Speaker 1: me if any of this turned out to be true.

437
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Speaker 1: But what I really think is ridiculous is how much

438
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like lab leak. If you've floated. If

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Speaker 1: you've float it, it has to be disproven, even if

440
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: there's a kernel of truth. And to be fair, this

441
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: is part of the problem. If Tucker and Revolver News

442
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: are the only ones who are putting it out there,

443
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Speaker 1: then it gives in the AMMO to say this is

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Speaker 1: a total conspiracy. Who wants to do. Look, the world

445
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: screams for the average normal investigative reporter to go out

446
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Speaker 1: there with some decent FBI sources and ask them. There

447
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Speaker 1: are people of the Washington Post, these people are you,

448
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Speaker 1: russiagatest stenographers for three years, you can't go out there

449
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Speaker 1: and maybe ask the question. This is more of a

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Speaker 1: media story, in my opinion, than anything else. We could

451
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Speaker 1: know tomorrow if the story was true or not. But

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Speaker 1: the people who actually have the sources as to prove

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Speaker 1: it true or false, they don't want to do so,

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Speaker 1: which I also do think speaks volumes. As to the

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Speaker 1: allegation here, well, I do think it's interesting. So first

456
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Speaker 1: of all, just to give you an example of how

457
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Speaker 1: Tucker went way too far and actually made it easy

458
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Speaker 1: to have the liberal media freak own and be like,

459
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Speaker 1: this is totally ridiculous. So he says, this is a

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Speaker 1: quote from that monologue. Strangely, some of the key people

461
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Speaker 1: who participate on January sixth have not been charged. That's true.

462
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Speaker 1: Look at the documents. The government calls those people unindicted

463
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Speaker 1: co conspirators. What does that mean, Well, it means that

464
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Speaker 1: in potentially every single case they were FBI operatives. That

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Speaker 1: part is completely false, Right, you wouldn't be called an

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Speaker 1: unindicted co conspirator if you were working for the government.

467
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Speaker 1: That's not the way this works. So the fact that

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Speaker 1: he goes so far on that piece with something that's

469
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Speaker 1: easily knocked down led to these liberal outlets just saying

470
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Speaker 1: the whole thing is bunked. Right, It's like COVID in

471
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: the bioweapon, right, have to be a bioweapon to still

472
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Speaker 1: come from a last right. So the part that is

473
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Speaker 1: a legitimate question is there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who were allegedly sort of the ring leaders of planning

475
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Speaker 1: and plotting and execut this riot that have not been charged. Meanwhile,

476
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the lower level people are being charged

477
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Speaker 1: and hit pretty hard in terms of the way that

478
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Speaker 1: they're being charged. So you have to ask a question, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's going on there? And then you also just have

480
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Speaker 1: to look at history and know how that FBI operates

481
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: and ask, you know, what could you guys know? And

482
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Speaker 1: so if you can take the kind of right left

483
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: liberal Trump supporter piece out of it, liberals are very

484
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Speaker 1: interested in knowing what happened on January six. This is

485
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Speaker 1: one of the major sort of like points of emphasis

486
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Speaker 1: within the mainstream Democratic Party, within the mainstream media right

487
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Speaker 1: the January sixth Commission and wanting to get the bottom

488
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Speaker 1: of what happened there, And certainly, I think we could

489
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Speaker 1: all say that part of getting to the bottom of

490
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Speaker 1: that is knowing what our intelligence agencies knew in advanced

491
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Speaker 1: and how they so utterly failed to prevent this from happening.

492
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Speaker 1: Like that just seems like a really basic question, because

493
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Speaker 1: it could very well be. And this was some of

494
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Speaker 1: what Ken Klippenstein suggested in terms of the just intelligence

495
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Speaker 1: failure and failure to have the manpower there to be

496
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Speaker 1: able to disrupt all of this, was that there was

497
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Speaker 1: kind of like an ideological blind spot there. You had

498
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Speaker 1: a lot of people who were more sympathetic to the right,

499
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Speaker 1: more sympathetic towards Trump, and that kept them from effectively

500
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Speaker 1: doing their jobs. We don't know that that's the case,

501
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Speaker 1: but that's one potential implication that should certainly be explored

502
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Speaker 1: and ties into this whole question. So you know, once again,

503
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Speaker 1: you have a situation where it's a legitimate question. We

504
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: don't have the answer to it. The media hasn't been

505
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Speaker 1: focused on it, even though it's very much squarely in

506
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Speaker 1: line with the type of questions that you would want

507
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Speaker 1: to ask if you actually care about a real January

508
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Speaker 1: sixth commission and really getting to the bottom of what

509
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Speaker 1: happened on that. It's a fantastic That is a fantastic

510
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Speaker 1: summary there, because it's important to say, like, oh, you

511
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Speaker 1: want to find out what really happened. I'm totally down.

512
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Speaker 1: This is what we were talking about on Brogan's podcast. Yeah,

513
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Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, if this was a real inquiry and

514
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: we're really going to get down to it, great, But

515
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: we all know that that's not actually the case. So

516
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: unfortunately that's where things are right now. We're going to

517
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: keep on top of the story. I do actually think

518
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: it's very very important. Could reveal to us a lot

519
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: about the new War on Terror and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, so remember how we told you how awesome

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Speaker 1: click on in the show notes. Let's talk now about

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Speaker 1: the Texas energy grid. So you flagged this story. This

528
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Speaker 1: is totally grailed. All right, Let's go ahead and put

529
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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen because this is just

530
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: totally nuts, which is that the people woke up in

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Speaker 1: Texas to find that their smart thermostats were raised remotely,

532
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Speaker 1: so they did not know their thermostats were being accessed

533
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: until it was eighty degrees inside of their homes. Okay,

534
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: so how does this happen? Well, it goes and it

535
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: turns out his wife had received an alert on her phone.

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Speaker 1: This is one man who said this happened, and the

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Speaker 1: family said the thermistat had been chained remotely because of

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Speaker 1: three hour energy saving event. Now, many smart thermostats are

539
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: enrolled in a program called Smart Savers Texas, which is

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00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: operated by a company called energy Hub. Now, that agreement

541
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Speaker 1: states that, in exchange for entry into the sweepstakes, electric

542
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: customers allow them to control their thermostats during periods of

543
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Speaker 1: high energy demand and energy Hubs clients include TXU Energy,

544
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: a bunch of other energy providers in Texas. Texas Power

545
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Speaker 1: is kind of like a Wild West situation where you

546
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: have a bunch of different people down that my parents

547
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: were telling me about it. I'm like, this is insane,

548
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: Like in terms of the amount of bartering you can

549
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: basically do about which power company and stuff that you want.

550
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: And it turns out that part of that is you

551
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Speaker 1: can have your thermostat remotely screwed with. This is kind

552
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Speaker 1: of dystopian. So on the one hand, like I get it. Obviously,

553
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: we were recently down in Texas. It was very hot, yeah,

554
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, hey, you know, we could have

555
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: another power outage and all that, and I think this

556
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: does just speak to some of the crazy stuff that's

557
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Speaker 1: beginning to happen as our infrastructure. It is just like

558
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: rotting away and Texas Monthly. I guess it's a magazine

559
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Speaker 1: which I really respect. Go ahead and put this up there.

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Speaker 1: They wrote a fantastic piece I read a couple of

561
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Speaker 1: days ago. I wanted to share it with you, which

562
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Speaker 1: is what is wrong with the Texas grid, And it's

563
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Speaker 1: basically about our electric system cannot deliver power when we

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Speaker 1: need it the most. And I think that this is

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Speaker 1: the most important thing, which is that if you go

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Speaker 1: and you read into exactly how this happened, the problem

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Speaker 1: is that the electric grid is decrepit, and worse that

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Speaker 1: it is particularly malfunctioning at the times when you need

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Speaker 1: it the most, whenever it's very cold and it's very hot. Now,

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Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily crazy, because that's when, of course, when

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Speaker 1: grids get stressed. But what they point to is that

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Speaker 1: the lawmakers are not doing anything right now in order

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Speaker 1: to address all of the holes that led to blackouts

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Speaker 1: during the what was it the deep freeze and now

575
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Speaker 1: during the heat wave, which is going to lead to

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Speaker 1: these really dystopian situations like what we see with the

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Speaker 1: thermostat that is freaking the hell out. Yeah. The idea

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Speaker 1: of waking up being like, why is it so hot inside?

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Speaker 1: Somebody remotely changing the temperature in a house is really weird.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people are connected. I'm actually connected

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Speaker 1: to one of those like smart stats as well at

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Speaker 1: my house, which I'm now very troubled by. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously we all remember what happened over the winter. People died. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot people died because of the failure of the

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Speaker 1: electrical grid, and at the time, a lot of the

586
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Speaker 1: conversation focused on like, oh, it needs to be winnerized,

587
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Speaker 1: and oh, it's because they shifted to too much renewable

588
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Speaker 1: energy and there's not enough sun. That was that was

589
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Speaker 1: ridiculous and not true at all. And so what this

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Speaker 1: Texas Monthly piece really reveals is it's a little complicated

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Speaker 1: because electrical systems are a little complicated. But basically the

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Speaker 1: villain is libertarians. Basically the villain is this is one

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Speaker 1: of those situations where the quote unquote free market created

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Speaker 1: a massive market failure where you're not incentivized to create

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Speaker 1: any excess capacity, so that when you have, you know,

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Speaker 1: unusual events like a deep freeze in Texas, a place

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Speaker 1: that doesn't normally get that cold, or you would think

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Speaker 1: in Texas they might be ready for one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten degree weather, but that's also an unusually, you know,

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Speaker 1: extreme event. So when you have those events, basically you're

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Speaker 1: not prepared because there aren't any incentives built into that

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00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: system to build excess capacity. Why because look, if you're

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Speaker 1: just like looking at the straight profit margin, oh and

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00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: you're not sure and you're not thinking about the human

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Speaker 1: cost if you're just doing the cost benefit analysis, and

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00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: like human beings dying during the winter or potentially dying

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00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: during the summer when it gets too hot, isn't like

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00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: a cost to you and your business. Then you're better

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00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: off not building excess capacity which would normally just sit

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Speaker 1: there unused and not be as profitable. So that's really

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Speaker 1: and Texas Monthly again does a really great job breaking

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Speaker 1: this down. That's really the problem here is that you

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Speaker 1: don't have any government f to make sure there is

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Speaker 1: the excess capacity to deal with these extreme weather events.

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Speaker 1: And what do we know is the climate worms and

616
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Speaker 1: climate change gets further along into its end stages here,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have more and more extreme climate shifts.

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Speaker 1: I think this is also a story about culture war though,

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Speaker 1: because after that horrific event in the winter where people

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Speaker 1: die and there's so much national photo is horrible, right,

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Speaker 1: you would have thought that they would do something, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't do anything. They're not planning on

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Speaker 1: doing anything, And it seems to me that probably one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons is because our politics collapses down to

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Speaker 1: these like flashpoint cultural issues, so you can get away

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Speaker 1: with just like weighing in on those and culturally signaling

627
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Speaker 1: to the base and leave something that is just like

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Speaker 1: a glaring failure completely unresolved, so that now here we

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Speaker 1: are just a few months later facing a very similar

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Speaker 1: and potentially catastrophic situation. Once again, the incentives in the

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Speaker 1: GOP and tech is to tweet something about the Green

632
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Speaker 1: New Deal while our constituents are freezing to death, right,

633
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Speaker 1: and then whenever it comes time to actually fixing the problem,

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Speaker 1: you don't do a damn thing about it. Oh and

635
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Speaker 1: now the electric grid is down again. Yeah that's Oh.

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Speaker 1: And here's the worst part. The voters will not punish

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Speaker 1: you because they also hate AOC and they hate liberals.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of these win win win situations, like

639
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: everybody is actually in a way, they're getting exactly what

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00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: they want. And that's actually what really makes me really

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Speaker 1: sad about this, which is this is my home state.

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Speaker 1: And look, there were at least something to be said

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Speaker 1: about some limited deregulation and power in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 1: but what we've seen in Texas is like the full

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Speaker 1: blown en run like end state where this is what

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Speaker 1: we have, which is that we now have it so

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Speaker 1: that we have just in time power delivery. This actually

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Speaker 1: relates very strongly to my radar where I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: a national shortage crisis and the same efficiency standards which

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Speaker 1: screwed us as a country they're now coming for us

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to power. Such a great point. Such

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Speaker 1: a great point. Okay, another thing we were looking at.

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Speaker 1: This is really interesting too. Christial loves us, Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: MSNBC workers, kudos to them. Are looking for a union.

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Speaker 1: Very cool, and we can throw this article up on screen.

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Speaker 1: The part of it that's funny though, is that, of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, progressive network MSNBC, they're engaging in the same

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Speaker 1: corporate speak. And it may be a little aggressive to

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Speaker 1: call it union busting tactics, but essentially they wouldn't just

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Speaker 1: go ahead and recognize the union. They're forcing a vote,

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Speaker 1: which gives them the opportunity to engage in all of

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Speaker 1: those union busting tactics that we're so familiar with. And

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Speaker 1: it's just funny how so often it is the case

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Speaker 1: that any corporation that's espousing all these progressive values and

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Speaker 1: we're so we're so woke, and we're so liberal, and

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Speaker 1: we're so out there and we're leaning forward and all

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Speaker 1: this stuff, when it comes to labor rights, suddenly they

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Speaker 1: sound exactly like coke industries. So it's very corporate speak.

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Speaker 1: Memo that was put out by Rashida Jones who's the

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Speaker 1: network's new president. She said, I respect our employees' right

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Speaker 1: to decide whether they want to be represented by a union,

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Speaker 1: and I believe our employees should be able to make

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Speaker 1: such an important decision through a standard election process. Again,

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Speaker 1: that's corporate speak for saying like, we're going to make

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Speaker 1: you vote on it, and we're going to make sure

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Speaker 1: we have some time to try to dissuade you. The

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Speaker 1: Writers Guild was very disappointed. They wrote, MSMEC needs to

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Speaker 1: follow its own progressive principles and honor the decision made

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Speaker 1: by its editorial employees to unionize. So obviously they are

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Speaker 1: not impressed with MSNBC's progressive values here. And I just

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Speaker 1: think it's really interesting the way that the mass comes

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Speaker 1: off anytime workers rights are involved. Well, you want to

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Speaker 1: see how wokeism com pairs very well with anti union tactics.

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Speaker 1: So on Thursday, MSNBC senior vice president of News Dan

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Speaker 1: Arnell spoke with staff and said that contract negotiations could

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Speaker 1: go on years, repeatedly citing examples of where contract negotiating

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Speaker 1: went on as like seventeen years and nearly twenty years.

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Speaker 1: He argued that union d's dues and fees could discourage

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Speaker 1: low salary and tree level employees from joining MCBC, and

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Speaker 1: also suggested the fees would discourage non white candidates from

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Speaker 1: taking jobs at MSNBC because there's a five hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: initiation fee. So he's basically trying to use identity politics

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Speaker 1: to discourage unionization at his place in this whole like

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Speaker 1: the contract. I mean, isn't that right out there, all

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Speaker 1: out in the open. This is the senior vice president

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Speaker 1: of news at MSNBC who is telling his employees this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and so it just pairs very well. Crystal, you can

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Speaker 1: use your woke identity politics in order to do whatever

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Speaker 1: the hell you want in this country. If you're part

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Speaker 1: of the boss class, that's amazing. So we'll see where

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Speaker 1: this goes. I know Chris Hayes tweeted out something favorable.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that. I'm hoping I know Ben Smith had

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Speaker 1: his eye on this. I'm hoping that reporters kind of

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Speaker 1: keep their eye on the type of tactics that they

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Speaker 1: use to try to dissuade employees from forming a union.

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Speaker 1: That's a very interesting technique there, But I mean, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see the full playbook rolled out

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Speaker 1: like they did at Amazon. I mean, there is a

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Speaker 1: standard playbook for how to keep employees, how to keep

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Speaker 1: workers from forming a union. And they may feel a

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Speaker 1: little constrained to be a little more subtle than say

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Speaker 1: Amazon was, but I bet we're going to see a

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Speaker 1: lot of the same tactics. I think you're right. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of rich people who Danu flecked art of Amazon,

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Speaker 1: speaking of Amazon and all of that, this is my favorite. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we have to keep you guys updated on this story.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep this relatively quick, but it's very, very important.

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. So

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Speaker 1: we told you about how that there was this Bezos

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Speaker 1: bailout effort for a ten billion dollar contract for Blue

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Speaker 1: Origin that was stuck into the Endless Frontier Act by

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Speaker 1: the Senator from Washington at the behest of Jeff Bezos

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Speaker 1: because he was very upset this company did not get

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Speaker 1: a contract. Well, the House of Representatives, Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 1: teaming up one of the few right left coalitions coming together,

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Speaker 1: have come together and said, hell, well no, mister Bezos,

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Speaker 1: you are not getting your little bailout there for Blue Origin.

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Speaker 1: This was always a very important example because it showed

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Speaker 1: how Bezos was able to use the power of Amazon

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Speaker 1: in order to fund his company, Blue Origin, and look,

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Speaker 1: he can do whatever he wants with his personal money,

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Speaker 1: but then using his leverage over the Senator from Washington

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Speaker 1: lunar landing probe, which was almost certainly going to Blue

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Speaker 1: Origin under the rules of the way that the contract

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Speaker 1: negotiation was going. And it really, I think made us

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Speaker 1: all upset because NASA had actually been asking for similar

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Speaker 1: levels of funding towards their program, and she, as the

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Speaker 1: head of the committee, was never amenable to actually providing

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Speaker 1: the actual funding that NASA needed. But when mister Bezos

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Speaker 1: comes knocking for Blue Origin, because it's basically a vanity

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Speaker 1: thing where he's like, well, I want us to get

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Speaker 1: a big you know, Elon can't get all of the

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Speaker 1: space glory, then Congress, the entire US Senate snaps too.

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Speaker 1: Only I think Bernie was one of the few people

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Speaker 1: in order to speak out against it. Luckily, House Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Republicans have come together and have said Nope, that's

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Speaker 1: not happening at all, and so now at least a

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Speaker 1: Senator from Washington. You can go to Bezos and be

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Speaker 1: like I tried, I still get her nice big donation.

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Speaker 1: I want to give special credit to Primilagiapol who represents

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Speaker 1: a Seattle district that has tons of Amazon employees in it.

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Speaker 1: And also, I'm sure you know, got calls from Bezos

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Speaker 1: or his lobbyist or whatever, and she just flat out said, look,

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Speaker 1: if Jeff Bezos wants to explore space, that's great, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think he needs federal dollars. So and she

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Speaker 1: said that he blue argin did not need a handout,

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Speaker 1: which is just like, I mean, this most obvious comment ever,

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Speaker 1: but especially when you're in that sphere of influence in

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Speaker 1: that region of the country, I think it's impressive that

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Speaker 1: you put your foot down, and she didn't just do

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Speaker 1: it quietly, made sure to come out and be like

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Speaker 1: hell no to all of this. It is very it's

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Speaker 1: actually very revealing about how it is that over decades

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Speaker 1: we've stripped the ability of the federal government to create,

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Speaker 1: to create things on their own right, the capacity to

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Speaker 1: build infrastructure like the federal I mean, during the New Deal,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like we're at a high round to private contry.

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Speaker 1: The federal government build it yourself, built it like we

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Speaker 1: built it ourselves, and now we just take for granted

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Speaker 1: that we can't possibly do that right. This is NASA

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Speaker 1: and space exploration is another perfect example. There was actually

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Speaker 1: a big push in the nineties, in particular, this was

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Speaker 1: a big Clinton thing to outsource a lot of federal

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Speaker 1: government capacity to the private sector. There's always this assumption

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Speaker 1: that the privates had they'll be more efficient, they'll do

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Speaker 1: a better job that maybe sometimes pans out, but oftentimes

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. We see that with private prisons too. The

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Speaker 1: numbers on that are horrific in terms of the treatment, certainly,

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Speaker 1: but even in terms of things like recidivism and the

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Speaker 1: ratings of those facilities their total failure. We see it

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Speaker 1: in terms of healthcare. Medicare much more efficient in terms

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Speaker 1: of dollars spent for actual care than private health insurance plans.

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Speaker 1: So there's no reason to actually believe that these external

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Speaker 1: space exploration companies, whether it's Elon's or Jeff Bezos or

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Speaker 1: whatever other billionaire wants to get in the game, will

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Speaker 1: actually do a better job than NASA. But they have

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Speaker 1: the lobbyist to go to Marie Cantwell or whoever and

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Speaker 1: get the money and build the capacity. Meanwhile, like NASA

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Speaker 1: You know, it's even worse, Crystal, which is that the

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Speaker 1: head of NASA, who is Bill Nelson, who is the failed,

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Speaker 1: defeated senator from Florida, and who was giving his nice

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Speaker 1: would tell you a million times, well, he was supportive

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Speaker 1: in this decade. Yeah, and you know why because he's

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Speaker 1: on his ass by Rick Scott, and he's a part

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Speaker 1: of the political machine who was appointed there by Biden

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Speaker 1: and guarantee you that the man has had dealings with

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Speaker 1: I think that tells you a lot about how the

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Speaker 1: government works. That's actually really wild, and it's because they

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Speaker 1: all want to keep the option. He's a politician, he's

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Speaker 1: he's going to like not do that much. Okay, he

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Speaker 1: his options open for Hey, you know, Jay Carney got

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Speaker 1: All right, Sager, what are you looking at? Well? It

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Speaker 1: is an absolutely crazy time right now in America today.

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Speaker 1: On one hand, we have this old caretaker president who

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Speaker 1: Things are calm, people are going outside, people are pronouncing

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Speaker 1: Normalcy seems just on the horizon, But beneath the surface,

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Speaker 1: particular good, but a shortage crisis of everything. Here's a

855
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: shortlist of some of the things that we have national

856
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: shortages in semiconductors, new cars, used cars, rental cars, plastics, palm, oil, truckers,

857
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: uber drivers, houses, lumber, toilet paper, diapers, furniture, chicken, bacon,

858
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: hot dogs, cheese, coffee, all of oil, chlorine, corn, which

859
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: is somehow possible in America, oxygen for medical purposes, and labor. Now,

860
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: luckily they solve the most important shortage of all, which

861
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: was Chick fil a sauce. But this leads to a

862
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: question that I had when I found out about all this,

863
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: What the hell is going on? What's going on, my friends,

864
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: is we're being revealed for the clown country, which we

865
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: are at the beginning of this pandemic. We all found

866
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: out that we don't even produce vital medical supplies in

867
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: our own country, and we actually make all of it

868
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: in China. Given China as our geopolitical rival, that seems bad.

869
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: And since we live in a clown country, we spent

870
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: the entire last sixteen months arguing over whether masks work

871
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: or doctor Seuss, or whether Biden can say the pledge

872
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: of allegiance instead of you know, how do we exactly

873
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: function normally? And now that Biden is president, a lot

874
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: of the country has gone back to sleep. We're seeing

875
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: the consequences of all of this in real time. America

876
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: is unable to deliver the most basic consumer goods to

877
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: its populace. In the case of a chlorine shortage, it

878
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: could literally lead to the state of Oregon running out

879
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: of clean drinking water. People cannot buy cars. New moms

880
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: are spending a fortune on diapers even if they can

881
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: get them. And if you're like me and you've been

882
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: through a drive through lately, you're gonna find out quickly.

883
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: We have a national shortage of chicken, which is one

884
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: of the most cheaply consumed meats in the US. All

885
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: of this comes down to the basic fact that we

886
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: make almost nothing we need on a daily basis to

887
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: survive or thrive. Right here in the US, we are

888
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: dependent on Asia to deliver it to US, and that

889
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: delivery system is built in the last two decades and

890
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: it's falling apart. Shipping in particular is a great example

891
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: of how precarious that we've lived our lives. Almost all

892
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: of logistics in the US in the last two decades

893
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: has relied on something called just in time delivery, as in,

894
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: right as you're about to run out, you get a

895
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: new delivery. That way, you don't have to waste precious

896
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: space storing your stuff. You just have a continuous supply. Now, look,

897
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot more efficient. The problem is if if

898
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: something goes wrong, you're screwed, which is where we're at

899
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: right now. Efficiency is great for cost, but it's terrible

900
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: for resiliency. This is what happened in the shipping industry,

901
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: where price wars in shipping led companies to keep building

902
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: larger and larger and larger megaships. It reduces marginal costs,

903
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: and they have it so that they can only profitably

904
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: sail whenever you're one hundred percent full. But then global

905
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: shipping ground to a halt. In the early months of

906
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: the pandemic, nothing was moving on the seas. Once that happened,

907
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the whole system went haywire to make matters worse. For

908
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: all of Trump's talk about correcting trade imbalances between the

909
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: US and China and being more resilient as a country,

910
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: he miserably failed while he was president. In fact, freight

911
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: waves data shows that import volume from China via ocean

912
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: shipping is up. Listen to this fifty four percent year

913
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: over year, Yes, more than fifty percent, while export volume

914
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: to China, as in from the US to China, it's

915
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: up four percent. So we're importing fifty percent more goods

916
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: than we were before the pandemic from China and exporting

917
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: only four percent more. We have somehow become even more

918
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: reliant on the Chinese to deliver our goods for us

919
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: as a result of this pandemic. Here's the real rub.

920
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: All of this was preventable. We sacrifice our national vitality

921
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: at the hands of short term profits. If you can't

922
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: buy a car or a PS five right now, it's

923
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: because of a shortage in semiconductors. Now some companies are

924
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: waking up to the fact maybe we shouldn't have let

925
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: our domestic manufacturing capacity go abroad. So Intel, one of them,

926
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: has announced it's going to spend twenty billion dollars to

927
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: create a new plant in Arizona. Great, right, but guess what.

928
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: That's six billion dollars less than Intel spent in twenty

929
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty nineteen on buying back its own stock

930
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: to juice its stock price. As New York Times rits quote,

931
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: in the decade leading up to the pandemic, American companies

932
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: spent more than six trillion dollars to buy their own shares,

933
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: adding the benefits were for investors and executives whose pay

934
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: packages include hefty allocations of stock have come at the

935
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: expense of whatever the company might have otherwise done with

936
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: its money, investing to expand capacity or stockpiling parts. You

937
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: know what the worst part is, nobody's on a damn

938
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: plan to fix any of this. Experts quoted in the

939
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: New York Times all said that while this was a

940
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: wake up call to the precariousness of the global supply system,

941
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: that short term profit incentives built into the companies themselves

942
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: will always triumph in the long run. To put that

943
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: in plain English, our system is designed to incentivize companies

944
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: to sacrifice everything at the altar of the short term dollar,

945
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: even if it means screwing the nation overall in a

946
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: time of crisis, even though that's already happened, the same

947
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: incentives remain if there's another pandemic or another crisis. So

948
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: I have a better idea, let's change the incentive. The

949
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: market is a reflection of us and our priorities. It

950
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: didn't have to be this way, and it wasn't always.

951
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: It came about because of thirty years of terrible trade policy,

952
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: bad tax policy, bad regulation. It's a crisis of our

953
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: own making, and it was all a choice. The good

954
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: news is that if it was a choice to get here,

955
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: it's also a choice to get out. And my hope

956
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: in doing this monologue is simply they'll just be more

957
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: aware of the true price of everything around you, and

958
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: that you demand from your elective representatives that we do

959
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: business a different and a better way. Crystal, That's the

960
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: really thing I wanted to come across. It's me again, guys.

961
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: We hope that you're loving the show. If you have

962
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: any questions, you know where you can ask them. Go

963
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: to crystalinsoccer dot com. Become a premium member and then

964
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: you'll get to participate and weekly ask me anything. The

965
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: link is in the show notes. Crystal, what are your

966
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: breaking points today? Well, guys, I made the slightly insane

967
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: decision to drive to Austin, Texas and back last week.

968
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: You know, just a quick twenty four hour drive from

969
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: Virginia through Tennessee, Arkansas, and then into Texas. I am

970
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: a soccer for a good road trip, and the scenery

971
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: was truly gorgeous, especially through the Smoky Mountains, one of

972
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the country. But almost exactly halfway there,

973
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: near Memphis, Tennessee, we started getting dire warnings from ways

974
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: that we were headed into catastrophe and there was absolutely

975
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: nothing we could do about it. So, unbeknownst to me,

976
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: the bridge that goes over the Mississippi River there on

977
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: the main Interstate I forty was completely closed, leaving the

978
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: only other bridge over that river in Memphis at a

979
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: total standstill. I joined thousands of other motorists snaking through

980
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: side streets in West Memphis, waiting at least an hour

981
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: to get through that gridlock snarl. Now that was no

982
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: easy problem to navigate around either. The next closest bridge

983
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: was a full seventy miles south, so not really an option.

984
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: As I sat idling in ninety degree temperatures. I was

985
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: really impatient. That quickly turned into woe is me? Rage?

986
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: What were they thinking closing this extremely important and extremely

987
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: busy bridge. What that hell is going on here? Well,

988
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: it turns out they literally had no choice why. In

989
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: early May, an inspector found a gigantic crack in a

990
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: supporting beam, prompting an immediate emergency closure. According to the

991
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, the repair on that six lane bridge,

992
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: over which an average of forty thousand vehicles pass every day,

993
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: that repair is going to take through mid July. It's

994
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: costing millions of dollars in a city that serves as

995
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: a major logistical hub, and making daily life nearly unbearable there.

996
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: Traffic is such a nightmare that the normally ten minute

997
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: drive from West Memphis to Memphis can now take upwards

998
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: of three hours. Apparently my hour long wait was comparatively trivial.

999
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: A trucker trying to get through said he moved only

1000
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: five miles in four hours on a recent day. So basically,

1001
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: we allowed a vital connector upon which millions of dollars

1002
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: of business and basic quality of life for hundreds of

1003
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: thousands of residents depend to become so dilapidated it required

1004
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: an immediate emergency closure. Of course, those stuck in the

1005
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: traffic nightmare are far from the only ones suffering from

1006
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: our complete inability to do the basics of keeping our

1007
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: infrastructure up to date. So in the neighboring state of

1008
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: West Virginia, NBC News recently documented how residents are commonly

1009
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: denied drinkable water due to a combination of industrial pollution

1010
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: and aging water infrastructure. Cody Eastep is the McDowell County Commissioner,

1011
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: born and raised on this mountain. Would you say people

1012
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: are worrying about water here on a daily basis? Yes, ma'am,

1013
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: I would Yes, There's lots of people in this country

1014
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: that does not know what it is that takes it

1015
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: for granted to go over to their spick it and

1016
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: turn out water on. You never missed the water till

1017
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: the whale goes dry. Cody, if they invited you to

1018
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, what would you tell Congress about your situation here?

1019
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: I would have to just say, politely, Hey, look, what

1020
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: day can you all come down in the southern Macdale County.

1021
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: We need a tour bus to bring a whole bunch

1022
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: of young people down there. Let's bring them in and

1023
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: plan on staying now. The underlying causes of the water

1024
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: challenges here, fueled by economic decline, may be unique, but

1025
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: the struggle is not. At least two point two million

1026
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: Americans live without basic access to safe drinking water and sanitation.

1027
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: I want you to think about this. McDowell County, once

1028
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: the crown jewel of cold Country, with a population of

1029
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people, has been chewed up and spit

1030
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: out by over one hundred years of exploitation, sucking all

1031
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: the natural resources out of that community and leaving the

1032
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: residents without even the very basics of clean drinking water.

1033
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: What does it say about our rich nation such as

1034
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: ours that we can't even get our act together to

1035
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: do the bare minimum of keeping our bridges safe and

1036
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: our water systems functional. Let's be honest, this is some

1037
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: failed state shit. Politicians in DC have been arguing about

1038
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: infrastructure for a decade now as our citizens struggle and

1039
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: suffer the consequences of their great luck, and let's assign

1040
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: blame here where it belongs to. Top of that list

1041
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: is the Republicans who let the water get dirty and

1042
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: the bridges collapse and the roads become undrivable because they

1043
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: wanted to deny Obama a win and then just down

1044
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: of sharing competence. Failed to do a damn thing during

1045
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Trump's four years. Now they're dragging their feet again under Biden,

1046
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: cutting the funding and insisting that the hard hit working

1047
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: class of America pay for infrastructure improvements through a gas tax.

1048
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: The Biden administration, they don't get off the hook here either, though.

1049
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: They're more concerned about whether they can get some useless

1050
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Republicans to vote for their dumb bill because they think

1051
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: it will be a good talking point in the midterms

1052
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: than actually using the tools at their disposal to do

1053
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: what is required. Taking at the bird's eye view, though,

1054
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: the basic failure may be the most visible sign of

1055
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: our decay and rod as a functional nation. Driving across

1056
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: the country, I saw a grand new deal project after project.

1057
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: We drove through the Great Smoky Mountains, preserved as one

1058
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: of the nation's most beautiful national parks. Twelve million people

1059
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: every year visit and enjoy that park. Dams that were

1060
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: built by the TVA to harness electricity and rural communities

1061
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: which have created incredible lakes enjoyed by tourists and bringing

1062
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: jobs to those areas, the Interstate highway system that enables

1063
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: the tradition of the great American road trip, which I

1064
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: enjoy so much today. It is almost unfathomable to imagine

1065
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: us creating such projects of beauty and utility in service

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Speaker 1: of the public good rather than in service of Amazon

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Speaker 1: or Wall Street. We are stunned and amazed when the

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Speaker 1: government even gets its act together to cut a one

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Speaker 1: time check longer term planning thinking building large scale national

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Speaker 1: projects like rural electrification or the railroads or the interstate

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Speaker 1: highway system. Forget about it. We have lived off the

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Speaker 1: vision of our forebears for generations now without even doing

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00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: what's necessary to maintain the basics of their investment, let

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Speaker 1: alone to build on it. I know that eyes glaze

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Speaker 1: over every time we talk about infrastructure negotiations, but our

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00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: failure to do the boring, let alone to do the spectacular,

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Speaker 1: is leading to a slow motion collapse before our very eyes.

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Speaker 1: The consequences of such a failure in aspiration, vision, and

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Speaker 1: consequence competence will be far more dire than an afternoon

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Speaker 1: spent in traffic. Joining us now, the amazing columnist at

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post, Josh Rogan, himself. It's good to see you, Josh,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. My friend grats something new shows

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Speaker 1: that's looking great, Thank you, Thank you, sir. So we

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Speaker 1: want you to think of the desk. Oh yeah, don't

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Speaker 1: puis him too much. All right, all right, this is

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Speaker 1: very sensitive for it. Okay, you better be all right. So, Josh,

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Speaker 1: you've been at the forefront of a lot of this

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Speaker 1: lab leak reporting. Some of it has come to the

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Speaker 1: four recently, doctor Anthony Fauci, let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen, recently giving an interview very much on

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Speaker 1: the defensive, talking there about the more extreme that we get,

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Speaker 1: the more obvious, how political it is. Fauci has blood

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Speaker 1: on his hands. Are you kidding me? This is also

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Speaker 1: talking about himself in the third person, whose entire life

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Speaker 1: has been devoted to saving lives. Now you're telling me

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Speaker 1: he's hitler. I think it's important that those of us, Josh,

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Speaker 1: who are talking about the Lablakue hypothesis and whether it

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Speaker 1: be true and some of perhaps even Fauci's own mistakes,

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Speaker 1: say like, look, this isn't necessarily against Fauci. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about the global health establishment. How do you think about Fauci?

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Speaker 1: In his role within the Lableek hypothesis and more culpability

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Speaker 1: and all of that. Right, So, as someone who's followed

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Speaker 1: this for a long time, like you guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to watch these various stages of the narrative.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's happening now is that the people

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Speaker 1: who are coming under heat for not being transparent about

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Speaker 1: what was going on in these Wuhan labs and what

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: the relationships were between American organizations and the Wuhan labs

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Speaker 1: are now getting very defensive and we're seeing them get

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Speaker 1: very upset about being asked a lot of uncomfortable questions

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Speaker 1: about whether or not the research that they sponsored or

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Speaker 1: research related to the research that they sponsored, sparked the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: which is what the Lableek hypothesis is. As John Stewart said,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's science saving us from science. And sometimes

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Speaker 1: you have these scientists who don't want their own work

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Speaker 1: exam because it calls into question this very career that

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Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci is so adamantly defending. But if you just

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Speaker 1: listen to what he says, it's pretty shocking to hear himself.

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Speaker 1: You know, believe, first of all, before himself in the

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Speaker 1: third person, which is a little odd. But second of all,

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Speaker 1: I'll say that somehow he's above reproach, that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to answer questions, that even criticizing him is somehow

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Speaker 1: an attack on science itself, which is ridiculous and especially

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Speaker 1: offensive considering the fact that he's a public servant and

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Speaker 1: you know, he works for the taxpayers, and of course

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Speaker 1: you know he is subject to oversight and scrutiny, especially

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Speaker 1: when it seems like one of the labs that worked

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Speaker 1: for him, that was funded by him, even directly or indirectly,

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Speaker 1: may have sparked the pandemic that killed three million people. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to ask some questions. And it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean we're calling him Hitler, And I don't think Holocaust

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Speaker 1: references are to be tossed around so casually. I think

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Speaker 1: that's really problematic actually, And so we just have to

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Speaker 1: sort of realize what's going on here. It's the Fauci's

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Speaker 1: of the world, not just Fauci realizing that they're going

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01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: to have to answer some really tough questions and now

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Speaker 1: try to get out of it anyway that they can.

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Speaker 1: But it's really troubling to watch right his comments where

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm paraphrasing the quote, but he said attacks

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Speaker 1: on mirror an attack on science. I mean, to me,

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Speaker 1: that's just insane, because what you and others who have

1142
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: been focused in a serious way on this from the

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: beginning are actually trying to do is to bolster the science,

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Speaker 1: just to ask the neutral question of how this pandemic

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Speaker 1: started and then what are the policy implications that stemmed

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Speaker 1: from then? And Josh, I'm wondering what is your view

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Speaker 1: of the origins of how the media got this wrong?

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Speaker 1: Because there were people like you, there are a few

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Speaker 1: others out there who took the question seriously, just again

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Speaker 1: looking at it in a neutral way, without trying to say,

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Speaker 1: without trying to use this as a way to like

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: smear Chine or let Trump off the hook or any

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Speaker 1: of that nonsense. But there were a lot who would

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Speaker 1: totally dismiss if who were saying this is debunked, this

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Speaker 1: is a conspiracy theory, et cetera, et cetera. Like, what

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Speaker 1: do you think is the origin of that view from

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Speaker 1: the media. Well, it's funny that you mentioned that, because

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Speaker 1: you know the way that the story got all screwed

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Speaker 1: up is directly linked to what's going on now with

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Speaker 1: these guys like Anthony Fauci and his boss, Francis Collins,

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Speaker 1: the head of the NIH. And what Francis Collins did

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Speaker 1: last week was he gave an interview to the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post actually where he tried to answer your question, but

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Speaker 1: in doing so revealed a lot about how deceptive and

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Speaker 1: misleading a lot of these scientists were. You know, first

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Speaker 1: of all, we have to understand that all the scientists disagree. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So for anyone to say that science thinks this, or

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Speaker 1: the scientists have a consensus of this, that person is

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Speaker 1: misleading you. That's the person you have to look at

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Speaker 1: skeptically because it's obviously not true. Because there are tons

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Speaker 1: and tons of scientists who are publicly now at least

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Speaker 1: saying that they believe that the lab leak theory is

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Speaker 1: in fact what happened. Amongst them Robert Redfield, a virologist

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Speaker 1: who was the head of the CIDC at the time,

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Speaker 1: and many many others. So when Anthony Fauci calls himself science,

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Speaker 1: that's not only Orwellian. It's all are just wrong because

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Speaker 1: science is not a monolith. But anyway, what Canrancis Collins

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Speaker 1: said was that they had a secret media teleconference call

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Speaker 1: on February first, one day after the emails revealed that

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Speaker 1: the scientists, even the ones close to Fauci, thought it

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Speaker 1: could have come from the Lab, and they had the

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Speaker 1: secret meet teleconference and they came to a consensus that

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Speaker 1: the Lablik theory was crazy. And then a few weeks

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Speaker 1: later they had another meeting and they said the lablink

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Speaker 1: theory was crazy, and according to Francis Collins, the head

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Speaker 1: of the NIH, that should be enough. We should just

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Speaker 1: sort of take that at phase value. And of course

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what the media did. They heard from a

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Speaker 1: small group of scientists who happened to include the hero

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Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci, you know, who everyone believed must be the

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Speaker 1: hero of the pandemic therefore could never do anything wrong,

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Speaker 1: and they just bought their line, hook line and sinker,

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Speaker 1: and they ran with it. And because it was an

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Speaker 1: anti Trump point, that made it even sweeter for a

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Speaker 1: lot of media people had a grudge. And then there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of group thinking source bias, in confirmation bias,

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Speaker 1: and incompetence in the media, which is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing that no one talks about is that a

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Speaker 1: lot of the reporters that were just lazy, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know what to tell you. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd have to be writing a book about this, so

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Speaker 1: I did a bunch more interviews. That's why I thought

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Speaker 1: I kind of got it right. But the fact is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was also fueled by these guys Fauci

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Speaker 1: and Peter Dazak of the Eco Health Alliance and Kirsen

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Speaker 1: Anderson who deleted his Twitter feed after the emails came out,

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Speaker 1: and all these guys who came up with this consensus

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Speaker 1: which was a false consensus, which misled us. What was

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Speaker 1: said on that that you said it was a conference call,

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Speaker 1: a meeting, Like what was so persuasive to them that

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Speaker 1: they thought we were just going to dismiss this on

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Speaker 1: of hand? Well exactly. I mean, I think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the point, is that there's nothing that could have

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Speaker 1: persuaded them in that amount of time. One day after

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Speaker 1: the emails show that they were thinking, oh, maybe the lab,

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Speaker 1: like there is the thing. The next day, the very

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Speaker 1: next day, they had a meeting like, oh no, we're

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Speaker 1: pretty persuaded. It's a natural origin. So obviously they hadn't

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Speaker 1: done their homework. And you know, that's why the narrative

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Speaker 1: that they created was so misleading, because they must have

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Speaker 1: known that they didn't what they that they couldn't have

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Speaker 1: pumped this conclusion so quickly. But they were doing it

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Speaker 1: for a reason, because they were covering their own tushies.

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Speaker 1: And they were doing that because A worked this two

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar program to dig up viruses all over

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Speaker 1: the world, including in China and bring them back to

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Speaker 1: a bunch of labs, was now going to be under scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if it turns out and we don't know, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't know, I don't know if this came from

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Speaker 1: the lab or not. But if it turns out to

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Speaker 1: be true, well, then their entire industry of virus collection

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Speaker 1: and playing around with viruses, whether you call it in

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Speaker 1: a function or call it whatever, because they don't like

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Speaker 1: to call it in a function because that means they

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Speaker 1: would have to subject it to oversight, which they didn't do,

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Speaker 1: you know, But the fact is, whatever you call it,

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Speaker 1: that whole industry would have to be necessarily re examined,

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Speaker 1: probably you know, rained in greatly. And that's what they

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Speaker 1: can't face. That's what the Anthony Faucis and Peter Does

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Speaker 1: the world can't face is that their life's work may

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Speaker 1: have been contributed connected to the pandemic that's plaguing in

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Speaker 1: the world, not through intentionality, not because they're bad people,

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Speaker 1: but because you know, science is not infallible, and neither

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Speaker 1: is Anthony Fauci. I'm so glad that you always put

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Speaker 1: it that way, Josh, because again we're talking about incentives,

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Speaker 1: and we're also talking about then what you know, whether

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01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: people have an incentive in order to make sure that

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Speaker 1: something is true or not. You have spotlighted the Global

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Speaker 1: Virum Project. I've been trying to bring a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention to this. Throwing one point two billion dollars at

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Speaker 1: more gain of function research seems like the worst thing

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Speaker 1: we could do when we have questions, are there are

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Speaker 1: there serious efforts yet to rein it in is it's

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Speaker 1: still going forward. I just want to make sure we

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01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: can update the audience. You know, we have to be

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Speaker 1: clear that all of the plans currently in place to

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Speaker 1: respond to the pandemic. If the lableek hypothesis theory were

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Speaker 1: to be true, we're to exacerbate and raise the risk

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Speaker 1: of another pandemic. Greatly. In other words, we're doing exactly

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Speaker 1: the wrong things if the Lablik theory is true, because

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Speaker 1: we're planning to dump another billion dollars into this one

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Speaker 1: point two billion dollars actually into this program project of

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Speaker 1: digging up dangers viruses and bringing them back to their labs,

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Speaker 1: including Chinese, that have zero transparency and zero accountability, especially

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Speaker 1: in a crisis, and we're going to continue funding them.

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Speaker 1: And then if you look at what the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: is doing, it's sort of like this Kabookie investigation where

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Speaker 1: they have this ninety day intelligence community sprint, right, And

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Speaker 1: I said to them, like, why are you sprinting? What's

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Speaker 1: the what's this? What's the sprint about? Why you can't

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Speaker 1: just walk? Just take your time? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't you don't have to finish it in ninety days.

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Speaker 1: We have to figure out what happens to start this

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Speaker 1: pandemic so we know how to prevent the next pandemic.

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Speaker 1: And why limited putting that aside? You know what? Their

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Speaker 1: other part of their plan is to encourage the WHO

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Speaker 1: to press for access vagina. Okay, And the reason that

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Speaker 1: you laughed at that is because it doesn't pass the

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Speaker 1: laugh test, you know what I mean, You can't think

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Speaker 1: of that without being oh, they must know that's complete bullshit.

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Speaker 1: And okay, well if they know that's bullshit because the

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Speaker 1: who is never going to be able to do that,

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Speaker 1: then why are they saying that, Oh they're bullshitting us?

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Speaker 1: All right? So uh, you have to realize that the

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Speaker 1: Biden people are playing are talking out of both sides

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Speaker 1: of their mouth, like we really want to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of it, and like, oh, well, we hope

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Speaker 1: the double uh gets to the bottom of it. You know, yes, contradiction.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just one other question for you, putting

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Speaker 1: the pandemic aside, do we know of other documented instances

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Speaker 1: where gain a function or as you put it, whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to call it. This type of research has

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Speaker 1: led to a virus escaping the lab Because it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that in some ways we may already have

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Speaker 1: all the information that we need to know that we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be investing a billion dollars in going down this

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Speaker 1: path further. Right, Well, here here's what I would say.

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Speaker 1: We in the stars virus which is like the one

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Speaker 1: that you know, the last one that the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party covered up, but that one only killed eight thousand

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Speaker 1: people instead of three million people that escaped from Chinese

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Speaker 1: labs four times. Okay, that's the coronavirus that escaped from

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Speaker 1: Chinese last four times killed nine people, which is less

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Speaker 1: than the number that were killed by the rest of

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Speaker 1: the stars virus. But still, you know Fort Dietrich, which

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Speaker 1: is like the one that the Chinese comminist Party always

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Speaker 1: points to. They're like, maybe it came for Fort Ditrick. Well,

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Speaker 1: they didn't actually have corona. They weren't doing that type

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Speaker 1: of research. But they had a major leak in July

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. That's true, it's documented, and it was shut

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Speaker 1: down by a guy named Robert Redfield. He shut down

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Speaker 1: the Ford Teatrick Bio Weapons Research WILLAB because they had

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Speaker 1: a leak. Right, they weren't following the protocols. So the

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Speaker 1: point is these leaks happen all the time, they always happen,

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Speaker 1: They're bound to happen. So the question is, you know,

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Speaker 1: what are the odds that eventually one of another one

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Speaker 1: of these very very dangerous viruses that are that are

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Speaker 1: the results of gainterfunction research are gonna leak, And the

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Speaker 1: probabilities one hundred percent given enough time so all you

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Speaker 1: have to think about is like, okay, if you're if

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Speaker 1: you know that things are gonna leak, then how dangerous

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Speaker 1: do we want to make these viruses? And is it

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Speaker 1: really a good idea? Just because this is like what

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Speaker 1: John Stewart ended with, it's just just because we can

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Speaker 1: do something in science doesn't mean we have to do it,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean we have to ignore the risks

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Speaker 1: of it. And apparently we can't trust the heads of

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Speaker 1: these institutions to say when to say, okay, this is

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Speaker 1: a risk that maybe is not worth taking, and maybe

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't spend a billion dollars building even more dangerous

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Speaker 1: viruses because it might spark a pandemic. And if these

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Speaker 1: scientists can't be trusted to oversee themselves, much less the

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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party, then someone else is going to have

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Speaker 1: to do it, or we're going to be doing this

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Speaker 1: every year. Well said Josh, We really appreciate it. Hope

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Speaker 1: everybody goes and checks out your book Chaos under Heaven.

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