WEBVTT - Why Our Supply Chains Still Sucks 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:10.400 Uh, it's could it's happened? Could hear Robert Evans The 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.080 podcast that is now begun. Um. This is a show 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.599 about how things are falling apart and occasionally how to 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.000 how to maybe deal with that, maybe you try to 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:21.919 steer things in a better direction. We talk about a 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.600 bunch of stuff today. We're gonna be talking about more 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.040 supply line um um stuff. And and and in order to 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.880 kind of introduce this episode, we wanted to bring in Alexis, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.559 who posted a threat on Twitter um about some of 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.840 their experiences in the industry in which they work that 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.640 that we all found very interesting. And so we just 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.600 wanted to bring Alexis on and uh and and first off, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.720 have you kind of go over what what you went 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.680 over in that threat and then um kind of zero 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.159 win and talk about that. So Alexis, welcome to the show. Hi, 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.920 thanks for having me. Um. Yeah, I'm gonna let you 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.800 take it from here and then we'll we'll drill in 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.480 once you once you get through your your piece, all right, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.240 So I'm just going to go ahead and read the 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.679 thread that I posted and then yeah, we'll go from there. Uh. So, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.959 labor shortage discourse time. I work for a food manufacturing company, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:14.800 specifically bottling and canning various beverages, and we are desperately understaffed. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.120 The wages are competitive, but they can't keep anyone on 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.440 after they hire them. Why, because we're short on people. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.199 As soon as someone is trained, they start throwing massive 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.440 amounts of mandatory over time on them to try and 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.560 cover the missing pieces while they look for more people 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.720 to hire in. Folks get burned out and quit. And 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.280 this is where my hate of just in time manufacturing 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.839 comes in. Obviously, in food manufacturing, you can't just stock 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.880 a warehouse with stuff and let it sit for a year, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.399 but you can keep a couple of weeks worth stock 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.880 rotating at all times if you devote the warehouse space, employees, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.200 et cetera to doing so. This would give you some 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.080 flex time to train your new people without having to 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.960 run everyone into the dirt. So, even with a place 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.480 that is offering decent money and benefits, because this is 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.360 a union shop, we can't keep people because we're making 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.800 a conscious decision to only ever have one to two 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.440 days of stock on hand to increase profits. Meanwhile, thanks 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.040 to lean manufacturing, we don't keep a ton of spare 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.960 parts for our equipment on hand. Thanks to the supply 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.000 chain just disruption, We've got packaging equipment that's been waiting 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.800 on replacement parts for six months, which further fux our 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.440 productivity doomed to downtime, which makes the company's schedule even 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.400 more overtime to try and make up for the lost 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.720 cases from equipment downtime, which burns out more employees, which 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.440 puts us in an even deeper labor hole. I've been 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.160 warning about just in time being a time bomb in 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.360 the making for over a decade now. When it works perfectly, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.240 you're fine. A single interruption causes cascade effects. And since 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.280 everyone has been doing the just in time thing, there's 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.000 zero slack anywhere in the system. Grocery stores don't have 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.560 any extra soda in the back they get behind demand 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.640 builds up. Distribution doesn't have any pallets in the warehouse, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.919 ha what warehouse, so they can't answer the surgeon demand 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.480 from grocery stores. Manufacturing doesn't have spare parts for aging equipment, 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.360 so we can't boost production. Spare parts makers don't have 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.040 stock build up, so and on it goes. The actual 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.280 approximate cause of this is deregulation of capitalism that is 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.400 incentivized quarterly profits and made long term thinking anathema to 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.320 c e O s. But sure, conservatives blame California for 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.640 not letting old trucks offload at the ports. That's it, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.080 and that's that's the essence of my threat. I then 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:21.880 plug my podcast at the end. Yeah, so I wanted 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:26.639 to I'm curious as to kind of like, uh to 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.560 what it like. I'm trying to understand, like what the 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.120 solution is. Like We've talked a bit about Okay, just 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:37.560 in time, manufacturing is is problematic for a lot of reasons. Um, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.400 keeping more like on the shelves is going to allow 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.280 you to avoid these crunches and is going to like 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.760 make supply line issues like the ones we've experiencing since 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.760 the start of the COVID pandemic less severe and less common. Um, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.720 But how do you actually how do you actually make 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.160 that happen? Because I guess the traditional free market thing 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.440 is that, like, well, because this has been such a 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.240 problem for companies, um, you know, they'll naturally change the 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.760 system in order to avoid this in the future. I 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.560 don't feel like that's likely to happen. Um, And I'm wondering, like, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.920 what do we uh what what what do you think 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.000 is the way forward here? Well, because some of the 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.800 problem is is right now, like most most companies, you 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.599 will pay taxes on stuff that you have stored in 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.600 a warehouse, things like that. Um, so no company is 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.440 going to voluntarily lower their profit margins if the other 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.039 companies don't do it themselves as well. So really there's 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.560 going to have to be some sort of forcing of 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:37.039 companies to uh have that on hand. And I don't 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.160 see just being able to write a law that says, oh, well, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.760 you're required to have this much backstock on hand as 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:47.640 as being a functional way to work. And really, as 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.880 I'm sure you know, Robert, I know you're well aware 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.240 the capitalism itself is kind of the problem. But as 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:59.599 far as I guess, a solution to this sort of thing, um, 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:04.440 you would have to disincentivize the quarterly profits above all 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.840 in order to force companies back into long term thinking. Now, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:14.560 from a purely like mechanical standpoint, um, I guess if 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:20.560 you if you did something to incentivize companies having backstock 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.120 or flex stock on on hand, that might help. But um, 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.440 I mean, I'm just I'm just a cog in the machine. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.600 Getting ground up. So as far as like big solutions, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.719 that's I mean, I've been looking at it ever since 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.200 I worked in a freaking casket factory and we started 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.240 doing just in time there, and just every time that 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.000 I've been in a place, a manufacturing place and seen 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.760 it happen, I'm just like, oh, this is gonna go 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.600 wrong because you can't. You can do just in time 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.560 if all of your suppliers are local, but having it 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.360 stretched across the global supply chain, it just it's inevitably 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.360 going to collapse in on itself. I'm sorry that I'm 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.920 not more helpful. No, no, but I mean this is 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.279 this is like the problem because there's a lot of 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.839 reasons why this supply chain is global. Some of them 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.560 are like labor related reasons, some of them are cost cunning, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.160 some of them are just like pure pragmatism. UM. But 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.640 it's trying to like I I don't. I feel like 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.520 it's it's one thing to say, like, well, part of 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.880 the problem is that like all of these different pieces 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.480 come from different countries, um. And there's a number of 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.799 shady reasons for aspects of that. UM. But it makes 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.840 for greater problems when there's a pilin shortage and then like, Okay, well, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.400 what are we what are we gonna Are you suggesting 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.160 that we make everything domestically because I don't feel like 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.880 that's a realistic solution. Um. Yeah, And it's like it's 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.400 just it's I'm trying to get a handle on there's 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.279 a couple of angles on this. There's there's what we 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.920 think is going to happen, um, and then there's the 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.120 question of like, is there a way that the system 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.640 as it exists could make this whole thing less vulnerable? 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.159 And and a lot of ways that's going to be 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.320 separate from the question of what would be better for 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.400 everyone to happen, because a lot of what would be 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.600 better for everyone to happen is a white A significant 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.440 chunk of these things that we have constantly stocked on 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.920 the shelves are no longer parts of our life, right. Um, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.440 there's a lot of things that are made that we 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.280 do not need and that are there's an environmental cost 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.280 and a show social cost and YadA YadA, YadA. Um. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.040 But I guess first I'm kind of curious to drilling in, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.480 like how realistic do you think it is that the 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.720 system as it exists is going to like mitigate this 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.160 and come up with better ways to to do this 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.280 that render us less vulnerable to these supply crunches. Like 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.880 is there. I don't see a great financial incentive in 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.240 it for them yet, um, because they don't seem to 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.280 be hurting, right, Like that's that's the thing. Well actually, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.760 and and again, please keep in mind this as limited 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.800 anecdotal evidence. Yeah, because it's gonna be definitely John Deer, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.720 I know, was making record profits before all the this 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:52.840 union stuff happened, but like that's not everyone, right. So again, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.640 I work for a soda manufacturer. So every time you're 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.480 you know, enjoying your your schmetzy Schmola or your or 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.880 your Chmago whatever whatever, I'm not going to explain which 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.320 company I work for because I don't want to get 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.600 in trouble. Um. And we're we're actually a captive bottler, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.560 which means that it's a separate company, but we work 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.360 for the big soda corporation. I think that in certain 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.320 instances those things will change, because for example, just last week, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.320 we had one of our four lines go down, so 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.560 our production capacity went down because we had a motor 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.160 burnout on the rollers that would move a full palette 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.640 out to be picked up by a forklift, and there 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:39.160 was no replacement motor in stock, and so we had 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.400 I think forty eight hours of downtime on this. Now, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.640 all the way up at the top, the company executive, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.240 you know, we're one of thirty some plants, they don't 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.720 care about why it was down, just that it was down. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.720 So in our position here, um, the people a little 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.760 higher up the food chain than me are insisting like, hey, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.920 we've been after you guys for months that we need 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.080 spares like this. And I think that as that sort 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.760 of stuff happens, as it cuts into potential future profits, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.440 you know, it's not dropping their profits, but it's keeping 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.880 them from being even higher, maybe certain companies are going 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.120 to be like, Okay, maybe we do need a couple 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.040 more spares on the shelves. As far as on the 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.680 production side of it, I don't see that happening. I 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.400 think we're still going to be shipping out palettes of 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.880 you know, palettes of corn syrup infected carbonated water as 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.560 fast as we can make them. Which you and you 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.040 were talking about the environmental costs, like you do not 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.200 want to know how much water it takes to make 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.120 a single leader of soda. You really don't um. But 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.440 on this on the production like input side, I think 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.400 that companies are going to start stocking spare parts because 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.280 it has been and I still have friends who work 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.480 for other companies that I used to work for. It 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.800 has been all throughout the system, and I live in 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.480 them West. Every company is going through this where they're 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.840 having huge amounts of downtime because the things as small 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.000 as a gasket or an O ring are not on 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.240 the shelf, and they're finally companies are finally going to 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.760 listen to what their maintenance people have been screaming at them, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.240 that we can't just stagger along and then oh, well 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.600 it's next day delivery. Yeah, and then you freak out 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.200 that this line was down for twenty four hours now 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.760 that it's not even next day delivery, it's next week delivery. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.360 I think that side of it they're going to probably 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.960 try and fix. But the other side, shipping to the consumer, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.160 I really don't see that they're going to change that. Yeah, 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.200 I mean that makes that makes sense, and we are 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.160 you are kind of lad thinking about this inevitably to 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.640 like two conclusions. One of them is that I have 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.360 my I'm sure parts of this the system will adapt, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.360 as it already has been, in fact, which is why I, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.600 like you haven't seen toilet paper run out as bad 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.679 as it did at the start of the pandemic. Again, right, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.280 there is a degree to which the system is capable 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.600 of adjustment, but kind of in a larger sense, um 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.240 this is number one. I'm kind of left with the 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.920 feeling that because of the way this system was set 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.199 up and the fact that it was disrupted so severely, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.520 it's kind of impossible to get a percent back on track, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.480 especially considering the disruptions are going to continue, not just 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.360 waves of COVID, but you know, in natural disasters and whatnot, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.160 shortages of of things like truck drivers, Like these different 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.280 little hits are going to keep coming, and I just 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.280 don't know that wherever going to like catch up everywhere 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.600 enough that like shortages of some sort aren't an aspect 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.480 of our lives kind of forever. And this is one 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.079 of those things that if you've spent a lot of 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.080 time outside of the United States, that's something a lot 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.080 of people have been dealing with for years. It's just 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.320 not something Americans are used to dealing with. And I 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.760 think I kind of feel like that's just where it 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.080 is now. Like I don't feel like every aspect of 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.400 our our production and consumption system is going to get 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.880 back where it to where it was February. I think 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.679 maybe that's never happening again. No, absolutely, it will not 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.720 ever happen. You were saying earlier that you know, there's 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.400 some practical reasons for the global supply chain. Like one 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.760 of the things that we've had such hard time getting 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.160 in is any of our concentrates that contain real vanilla. Obviously, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.640 we can't grow vanilla in the United States. That's the 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.719 thing you have to I mean, that's part of why 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.400 colonialism exists, right, you need to go get vanilla. Yeah. 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.600 So yeah, So, like there are certain things that are 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.160 going to be stay have to stay global if we're 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.640 going to continue to make the things that we make, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.000 and just from my side of it, being able to see, oh, well, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.720 why can't we get this concentrate in oh because it 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.000 has vanilla as an ingredient, and there's been a bunch 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.320 of draughts and ship and so vanilla is in a crunch, 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.880 you know that sort of thing. So I just, um, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.680 you're right in that, Yeah, we're going to have shortages. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.880 There's it's you know, and it's not just the mechanical 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.160 side on ours. It's like we can't get can in, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.040 we can't get concentrated in, we can't you know. Whatever 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.880 it is that we can't get in is going to 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.000 slow us down and demand will build up. I did 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.920 have somebody in that thread respond and say, I don't 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.840 see how demand for soda will build up, And I'm like, now, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.280 I have a friend who's like a diet Dr. Pepper fiend, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.319 and as soon as diet Dr Pepper shows up, now 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.400 she buys like packs. Demand will absolutely build up for 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.280 stuff When people feel like they're being deprived of something, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.280 when it becomes available, they are going to hoard it 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.920 as best they can. Yeah, And that's again with soda, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.840 just kind of an annoyance, although that can because individual 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:40.360 people can react in extreme ways, can snowball. I'm not 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.120 gonna be surprised if one of these days we have 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.080 somebody shoot up a fucking grocery store because they're whatever 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.960 was out. Um, But that's also not a necessity. And 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.240 I think that, like the concern is that especially when 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.320 you look at stuff like you know, there's a couple 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.240 of states that have like their wheat harvests and corn 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.440 harvest that were like half or less than half of 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.040 normal big chunks of a rack. It was like down 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.240 by I think like seventy um. Like these massive shortages 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.720 of growing basic food stuffs. Um. And that's all that's 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.520 all tight into this, Like it's not the same business 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.680 that you're on, but it's all tied into aspects of this, 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.800 and it's all tied into like a lot of our 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.480 ability to get that food out of the field is 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.680 reliant upon different kinds of mechanical harvesting equipment. The materials 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.520 to which to like fix and replace it are often 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.760 like caught up in this whole just in time problem 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.520 because they don't make enough of them, and sometimes they 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.200 don't have them in stores, and then there's like a 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.920 strike at John Deer and so more aren't getting made 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.920 and so there's not what you need to repair the 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.600 equipment in time to get stuff out of the field everywhere. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.480 And in a year when you already have a reduction 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.640 of harvests like that cuts down on it further. UM. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.240 Like I I think I don't know, it's it's this. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.520 There's always a couple of things to look at, which 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.360 is like number one, as we've talked about like how 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.680 is the system uh going to try to handle this? 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.280 What ways are they going to be successful, what ways 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.360 they're going to fail? What things are you going to 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.080 have to endure? And what things? I think what I 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:05.440 want to talk about next is like what things do 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:10.160 we need to change, uh in order to like, as communities, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.360 be more resilient to this stuff, which you know has 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.800 less to do with soda, which again is not a necessity, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.960 but more to do with figuring out how to anticipate 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:23.800 and endure supply line disruptions right absolutely, And and while 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.800 I'm currently in soda, I have been in everything from 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.400 automotive too, I think as a or casket manufacturer, so 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.720 you know that. But when I can go through a 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:37.840 casket a week, you know, especially when you're driving your Yeah, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.440 when I'm drunk driving in a boy right right through 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.720 a trailer park, I mean you're you're I mean, your 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.960 casket order has got to be through the roof. It is. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.080 It is a lot a lot of people. Yeah, I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.000 mean I I do actually wonder how fuck um I 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.520 mean like I do actually wonder how much like the 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.400 casket industry and something that has been affected by the 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.400 by like by the pandemic with the you know, an 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.160 influx of dead people, and how that's how how that's effective. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.640 Thinks That's something I've been wondering about, but I have 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.120 not actually spent time looking into. I can't speak to 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.680 the pandemic specifically. I quit. I quit the casket industry 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.000 in two thousand and eight, but I do recall my boss, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.040 the owner at the time, being very very upset that 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.000 Hurricane Katrina had a lower death toll than he anticipated, 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.360 because that's really she had over ordered the sheet metal 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.920 to make the caskets, and he was very piste off 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:33.200 about having all that extra stock because they were just society. Yes, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.560 so that's that's good to hear. Yeah, great, he was 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.280 in a bad mood for like a month after Katrina 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:43.040 because it hadn't reached his expectation. Well, sure, that's a 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.280 real problem for for absolutely, he's got that's all the 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:53.000 sympathy critical support. That job was grim. I'm just gonna 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.480 say that that sounds like it. I have a through 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.440 a through a loved one, a connection to somebody who 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.560 is like works for a company that makes body bags 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:09.600 and was amazing for them. They did incredible in um. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.960 I didn't hear any ghoulish stories. It's just like, yeah, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.040 of course you guys made a bunch of extra money. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.720 Sounds like that was great for you putting it. Putting 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.600 in a mental note to go through a bunch of 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.000 the campaign contributions of people who make body bags and 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.560 check if they're supporting anti mess Yes. Yeah, see if 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.480 big Corps got into this at all. Yeah, I mean, honestly, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.399 the thing that the thing to do is, you know, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.560 I'm not a big fan of the stock market in general, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.800 but next time, the next time that there's a pandemic, 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.800 find out which companies make body bags on the stock 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.600 market and invest in those as soon as as soon 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.520 as the pandemic starts. I mean, I can tell you 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.120 what I'm I'm putting money into big corps as soon 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.520 as uh as soon as the next pandemic hits. That's 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:56.320 absolutely gonna happen. Oh boy, all right, Yeah, that's gam Yeah, 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.600 I think it's fine. There's a reason why after after 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.360 I started working there, I immediately told my husband, Hey, 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.160 make sure if I die before you, I'm cremated. So yeah, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.440 I don't want to give these monsters any of my money. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.760 What I what I'm looking into is just full full 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.399 body stuffing that people can pose me around it. But 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.159 that's a set for topic. Yeah, you talk about that 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:30.840 a lot, Garrison. What I did want to med ship 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.920 is like, actually, when you were talking about how they 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.360 hire in a lot of employees and they make them 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.160 were horrible hours and then they you know, they quitness 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.600 is kind of a constant kind of process and like 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.639 this isn't exclusive to that industry at all. Think one 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.440 of the worst defenders of this is actually the Postal Service. UM. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.320 I think that the Postal Service has like the lowest 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.680 employee satisfaction out of any shipping company. Um And like my, my, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.439 my fault. I worked for the Postal Service for a bit. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.720 And when you first join up, you join as like 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.240 you join as a on like a non career employee path, 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.560 and then you can get promoted to a career employee 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.119 path after a few years. But the turnaround for the 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.000 non career employee paths is massive, Like local branches can 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.040 say after like people who start working at the Postal 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.600 Service will end up quitting within the year. Now that 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.800 number can be different based on nationally and for based 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.439 on like you know, based on what state you're in, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.000 but but across the board, it's it's always around at 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:29.000 least fifty for employee turnaround for people who join up 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:33.160 the Postal Service on these like a city carrier assistant positions. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.680 It's fascinating, yeah, because because when when you when you're 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.800 a non career employee path, you have to work seven 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.520 days a week and you can be called into work 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.560 basically any time, usually working around ten to twelve hour days. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:48.639 All of the career employees all of the sounds but 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.840 like all of all of like all of like the 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.080 regular carriers get to work like their specific route and 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.560 that's it. That's their whole day. For the for the 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.520 people who are new to the job, they're forced to 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.520 work tons of routes um all in whenever someone else can't. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.040 And we constantly be doing over time um and working 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.960 like basically NonStop NonStop with only like two like only 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.760 two holidays off a year or something. It's it's pretty intense, um, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.359 which is why you know, when the postal service comes 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.800 have problems and because and and because there's so few, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.040 there's generally not tons of employees. I mean like there 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.040 is lots like comparedively, like like like the Postal Service 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.480 is one of the bigger employers in the whole country. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.320 But for people when when when employees drop off, filling 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.720 those positions can be really hard in times of like crisis. 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:33.080 So like you know, last year, when there's all these 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.359 problems with the Postal Service, all of these kind of 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.399 issues around the supply chain and how people treat their workers, 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.320 all of them like like you know, compound to create 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.760 one like much bigger problem which we saw last year 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.320 with the Postal Service and like late in like the 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.840 late summer um. So I just find it interesting how 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.399