1 00:00:01,820 --> 00:00:04,590 Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? 2 00:00:05,070 --> 00:00:08,050 Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. 3 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,550 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:30,610 --> 00:00:32,610 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:35,050 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:35,070 --> 00:00:36,630 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:36,670 --> 00:00:39,550 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 9 00:00:39,610 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 11 00:00:45,940 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: I give you my thoughts on my visit to the 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:53,019 Speaker 1: Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas, some home recording recommendations, 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,870 Speaker 1: your takes on Bobby Fuller's death with your emails, comments, DMs, Voicemails, texts, 14 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:02,430 Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is 15 00:01:02,470 --> 00:01:05,410 Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent 16 00:01:05,430 --> 00:01:07,670 Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history 17 00:01:07,709 --> 00:01:10,530 Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,619 Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's 19 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:24,979 Speaker 1: get into it. So no one ever called Bobby Fuller 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,540 Speaker 1: punk rock because he existed forever. before punk rock, though 21 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: one of the greatest punk rock bands of all time 22 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:33,580 Speaker 1: further popularized his song, I Fought the Law. I'm talking 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,580 Speaker 1: about The Clash, of course. Bobby Fuller was not punk. Again, 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,649 Speaker 1: he was from the early to mid-1960s, but he was 25 00:01:40,970 --> 00:01:44,170 Speaker 1: very punk rock in the way that he created his music. 26 00:01:44,190 --> 00:01:46,230 Speaker 1: He was one of the first DIY artists at a 27 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:49,730 Speaker 1: time when that wasn't a thing at all. He created 28 00:01:49,770 --> 00:01:53,130 Speaker 1: a real home studio in his parents' modest suburban home, 29 00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:56,690 Speaker 1: so a lot of punk rock exists in Bobby Fuller. 30 00:01:57,490 --> 00:02:00,430 Speaker 1: And I was thinking of Bobby Fuller this past weekend 31 00:02:00,490 --> 00:02:03,150 Speaker 1: when I visited the Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas. 32 00:02:04,090 --> 00:02:06,550 Speaker 1: When I was there, I had an experience that I 33 00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:10,530 Speaker 1: didn't think I would have. I became strangely emotional, like 34 00:02:11,410 --> 00:02:15,730 Speaker 1: legit trying not to cry emotional from being there. Laura 35 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:18,889 Speaker 1: Jane Grace from Against Me was our tour guide and 36 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: she was fantastic. She said this thing that really crystallized 37 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:26,900 Speaker 1: the feeling I was having while on that tour. She 38 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: said that Punk rock is about broken people, broken kids 39 00:02:31,419 --> 00:02:35,139 Speaker 1: coming together and being put back together again by punk rock. 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,690 Speaker 1: It's so true. It really stuck with me. It doesn't 41 00:02:38,970 --> 00:02:42,230 Speaker 1: matter if we're talking about punk rock kids from the 42 00:02:42,290 --> 00:02:45,470 Speaker 1: New York scene, the LA scene, the Boston hardcore scene, 43 00:02:45,490 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: the Bay Area, whatever. We were all misfits. And most 44 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: of us were latchkey kids. It didn't matter where we 45 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: came from, our race, our sexuality, our gender, how much 46 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,669 Speaker 1: money our parents did or didn't have. When we went 47 00:03:00,710 --> 00:03:04,150 Speaker 1: to those all ages shows, we were finally part of 48 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:07,950 Speaker 1: a community. We finally identified as something other than the 49 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: fuck ups that we were told that we were. Now, 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,500 Speaker 1: sensing that feeling, that crystallization of that idea, I always 51 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,110 Speaker 1: knew this, obviously, but a lot of that has become 52 00:03:20,169 --> 00:03:22,490 Speaker 1: lost in the last 20 or 30 years of punk 53 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:25,150 Speaker 1: rock as we've gotten older. And some of us, myself included, 54 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:28,050 Speaker 1: have become more cynical when we think about what punk 55 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:32,810 Speaker 1: rock has become. It's obviously a massive business, this huge thing, 56 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: but you're so reminded of that foundational spark that punk 57 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,860 Speaker 1: rock gave you When you're inside the Punk Rock Museum 58 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,380 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas because of all the ephemera and the 59 00:03:45,460 --> 00:03:49,190 Speaker 1: tactile nature of all the ephemera that's surrounding you. When 60 00:03:49,210 --> 00:03:52,990 Speaker 1: you're looking at Johnny Thunders' guitar, you're looking at homemade 61 00:03:53,090 --> 00:03:57,070 Speaker 1: flyers by Raymond Pettibone for Black Flag. You're looking at 62 00:03:57,110 --> 00:04:01,690 Speaker 1: these amazing zines, Suburban Voice from Massachusetts, What's Up Al Quint, 63 00:04:01,770 --> 00:04:05,230 Speaker 1: Maximum Rock and Roll from the Bay Area. all these flyers, 64 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:08,850 Speaker 1: all this, you know, Joe Strummer's last bag of grass 65 00:04:09,070 --> 00:04:12,900 Speaker 1: is there in a case. You're literally looking at Mike 66 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Ness's living room, the artifacts from his living room. You're 67 00:04:16,820 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: looking at the sofa, the studio sofa anyways, that Kurt 68 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Cobain nodded out on. And all of that, it gives 69 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,690 Speaker 1: you this feeling, you really feel what it felt like 70 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,730 Speaker 1: to be in those rooms back then and to have 71 00:04:30,790 --> 00:04:33,990 Speaker 1: those experiences. And I'm not trying to suggest that This 72 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:36,410 Speaker 1: is only for people who hung out with Kurt Cobain 73 00:04:36,430 --> 00:04:39,870 Speaker 1: in the studio or Mike Ness in Social Distortion in 74 00:04:39,910 --> 00:04:43,740 Speaker 1: Mike's living room. If you're into punk rock, if you're 75 00:04:43,779 --> 00:04:47,500 Speaker 1: into DIY music, if you're putting things together in the 76 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:51,779 Speaker 1: same way that these other scene kids were, then you 77 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,430 Speaker 1: were using the same materials. You were sitting on the 78 00:04:55,460 --> 00:04:58,669 Speaker 1: same furniture. Your living room felt like Mike Ness's living room. 79 00:04:58,690 --> 00:05:02,969 Speaker 1: Your garage space that you practiced in felt like the space, 80 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:06,530 Speaker 1: I think it's the no effects space, their garage or 81 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:09,970 Speaker 1: the Pennywise garage that they recreate in the Punk Rock Museum. 82 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: You know, you feel it is my point. All the 83 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: tactile nature of everything on display, it connected me back 84 00:05:21,779 --> 00:05:24,980 Speaker 1: to that emotion in a very real way. It was 85 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: an insane emotional feeling that I had. And it wasn't nostalgia. 86 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it kind of was on some 87 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,590 Speaker 1: level nostalgia, but more than that, it was gratitude This 88 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:38,370 Speaker 1: feeling of, I feel so lucky to have found this 89 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:40,729 Speaker 1: scene and the people in my life who were part 90 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,830 Speaker 1: of that scene then, who taught me at a young 91 00:05:44,130 --> 00:05:47,350 Speaker 1: age during those very formative years, taught me how to 92 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:50,020 Speaker 1: look at the world differently in a way that allowed 93 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: me to value myself and who I was and the 94 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: music that I loved, which people told me was shit. 95 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:59,169 Speaker 1: and that it was crap, and that it wasn't mainstream 96 00:05:59,210 --> 00:06:02,500 Speaker 1: or whatever, that fucking dumb, tired bullshit argument that we 97 00:06:02,540 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: all laugh at now. It doesn't apply anymore. But back then, 98 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: it did matter. I felt grateful because all of that 99 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,860 Speaker 1: led me to where I am now. I had this 100 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,020 Speaker 1: other thought too. The museum and the tour are set 101 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: up so that you start at the beginning of punk 102 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:22,739 Speaker 1: rock with the New York Dolls and with Iggy Pop, 103 00:06:22,779 --> 00:06:25,980 Speaker 1: sort of pre-punk music. And then you're quickly a couple 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: years further down the line in the 70s with the 105 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,860 Speaker 1: Ramones and Blondie and Talking Heads. And then you're in 106 00:06:33,380 --> 00:06:35,990 Speaker 1: Europe with the Sex Pistols and The Clash. Then you're 107 00:06:36,010 --> 00:06:39,450 Speaker 1: in LA with Black Flag. And then New York hardcore, 108 00:06:39,529 --> 00:06:42,830 Speaker 1: Boston hardcore, the Bay Area, all that stuff. You go 109 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:47,089 Speaker 1: through the whole thing chronologically. And you're traveling all over 110 00:06:47,130 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: the world as punk rock traveled. And I had this feeling, again, 111 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:56,090 Speaker 1: out of gratitude. Like, not to be name droppy or anything, 112 00:06:56,370 --> 00:07:00,969 Speaker 1: but I had real experiences with so many of these 113 00:07:01,190 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: artists that helped form me. And I never really think 114 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: about them because these artists are giants to me. I've 115 00:07:07,779 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: met and had real experiences with so many of them. 116 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,500 Speaker 1: I'm so lucky. I mean, I shared a laugh with 117 00:07:13,050 --> 00:07:15,470 Speaker 1: David Johansson backstage at, I think it was a Patti 118 00:07:15,530 --> 00:07:19,050 Speaker 1: Smith show. I like talked myself on, not talked, I 119 00:07:19,090 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: just bum rushed the stage at a Patti Smith show 120 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,860 Speaker 1: at Carnegie Hall and was singing backup vocals. I met 121 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,300 Speaker 1: the Ramones for God's sake when I was 10 years old. 122 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: And a couple of them later on when I was 123 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,620 Speaker 1: an adult, I once went for a walk with Debbie 124 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,050 Speaker 1: Harry through lower Manhattan. I recorded with John Doe from X. 125 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:39,980 Speaker 1: I toured with John Doe. I literally once went to 126 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: a bar to meet John Lydon, Johnny Rotten, and have 127 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: a drink with him. You know, I never really think 128 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,210 Speaker 1: of these things unless I'm talking to my kids, you know, and, 129 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 1: you know, I talk about how I played with Blink-182 130 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,790 Speaker 1: once or whatever, you know, these are just things that 131 00:07:54,810 --> 00:07:58,450 Speaker 1: happened in my life and I'm very grateful for them. 132 00:07:58,530 --> 00:08:00,350 Speaker 1: I really am. I truly am. And I don't think 133 00:08:00,390 --> 00:08:05,310 Speaker 1: of them enough with enough gratitude because these experiences helped 134 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:09,870 Speaker 1: form me just as all the other experiences before I 135 00:08:09,910 --> 00:08:11,620 Speaker 1: kind of was even in a band. And I was just, 136 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:14,020 Speaker 1: I was just a fan. And when I was putting 137 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: my own zine together, when I was going to matinees 138 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: and just walking through that museum, it's just, it's just damn, 139 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:25,380 Speaker 1: you know, I just felt blessed. And so many of 140 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,630 Speaker 1: us are, and my experiences are not that unique. I'm 141 00:08:29,650 --> 00:08:32,150 Speaker 1: not trying to be name droppy again or present them as, 142 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:34,990 Speaker 1: as such, you know, I'm just struck by how important 143 00:08:35,030 --> 00:08:37,950 Speaker 1: this culture is. this music is to me, this scene, 144 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:41,890 Speaker 1: this community. I always knew that, obviously, but it just 145 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:44,070 Speaker 1: really hit me over the head when I was there. 146 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: And I mean it. I was trying not to cry. 147 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:51,660 Speaker 1: Laura Jane Grace was just fucking incredible. She nailed the 148 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: tour and then she played at the end of this thing. 149 00:08:54,040 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: And I mean, it was heavy. I did not expect that. 150 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:05,310 Speaker 1: I'm so impressed. with how the ethos of punk and 151 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:12,630 Speaker 1: DIY culture and hardcore came across in this museum. This 152 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:16,870 Speaker 1: idea that we were all broken and punk rock put 153 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:20,370 Speaker 1: us back together again. If I never ran with punk 154 00:09:20,410 --> 00:09:24,290 Speaker 1: rock music and hardcore music and wasn't in a hardcore band, 155 00:09:24,850 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: my life would not be what it is now. I 156 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:29,030 Speaker 1: don't think it would be as rich and I don't 157 00:09:29,050 --> 00:09:32,010 Speaker 1: think it would be as rewarding. It just The museum 158 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:36,390 Speaker 1: really blew me away. I cannot recommend it highly enough. 159 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: If you're in Las Vegas, make sure you check them out. 160 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,780 Speaker 1: Punk Rock Museum. And again, where this all started, if 161 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,820 Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller was born 10, 15 years later, he would 162 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: have been a punk kid. He would have been DIY. 163 00:09:50,730 --> 00:09:53,610 Speaker 1: He would have been in that world, and he would 164 00:09:53,630 --> 00:09:55,170 Speaker 1: have made his own music, and he wouldn't have had 165 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:57,510 Speaker 1: to fuck with dangerous men from the music industry and 166 00:09:57,570 --> 00:10:02,980 Speaker 1: ended up how things... ended for him. A lot of people, 167 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,180 Speaker 1: we talk about this in the Bobby Fuller episode and 168 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know this. I certainly didn't 169 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: know this, but it was one of the things that 170 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: was sold to me by my old bandmate, Seth Goodman, 171 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,219 Speaker 1: back in the day when he was trying to sell 172 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,100 Speaker 1: me on Bobby Fuller and to go listen to him. 173 00:10:17,140 --> 00:10:21,870 Speaker 1: He had that, what was that? Bear Family record label compilation. 174 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:24,590 Speaker 1: And I remember him telling me how Bobby Fuller recorded 175 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:26,350 Speaker 1: his own stuff, kind of did everything. He was his 176 00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: own little rock and roll empresario. And when I was 177 00:10:30,820 --> 00:10:33,540 Speaker 1: researching Bobby Fuller for this episode, I was really blown 178 00:10:33,580 --> 00:10:36,660 Speaker 1: away with how he went about recording himself in an 179 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: era when it was not easy. Not only was it 180 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,230 Speaker 1: not easy, it wasn't really even accepted. And he literally 181 00:10:43,390 --> 00:10:48,470 Speaker 1: turned his parents' suburban home into a recording studio. This 182 00:10:48,550 --> 00:10:51,230 Speaker 1: is not, Bobby Fuller did not grow up rich. He 183 00:10:51,270 --> 00:10:53,910 Speaker 1: didn't even really grow up middle class. It was more 184 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:57,910 Speaker 1: working class. And the home was a small home. And he, 185 00:10:58,110 --> 00:11:00,490 Speaker 1: you know, he like, you know, got into the drywall 186 00:11:00,570 --> 00:11:05,770 Speaker 1: and built a control room with a window facing the 187 00:11:05,809 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: live room, which was the living room. Built his own 188 00:11:09,780 --> 00:11:13,459 Speaker 1: echo chamber outside of the house, attached it like adjacent 189 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: to the house. Just really incredible stuff. And again, that 190 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,890 Speaker 1: wasn't accepted then. It wasn't done and it wasn't accepted. 191 00:11:20,210 --> 00:11:23,370 Speaker 1: It wasn't until really, you know, the 80s, I guess, 192 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:25,990 Speaker 1: but not even really. I mean, the 80s, you know, 193 00:11:26,050 --> 00:11:29,550 Speaker 1: the Ramones and all the sort of downtown bands could 194 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:32,670 Speaker 1: rent these like, you know, massive lofts for cheap in 195 00:11:32,710 --> 00:11:36,340 Speaker 1: New York. And that's how, that's why those sounds, those 196 00:11:36,390 --> 00:11:39,479 Speaker 1: songs by those bands have those massive drum sounds and 197 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,580 Speaker 1: big guitar sounds. And then it wasn't really until the 198 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,380 Speaker 1: 90s that the home recording, the lo-fi thing, the sebados, 199 00:11:46,460 --> 00:11:49,510 Speaker 1: all the pavements, all that stuff kind of like kind 200 00:11:49,550 --> 00:11:54,670 Speaker 1: of took off and became really accepted, I guess, is 201 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:56,990 Speaker 1: the word. And then, you know, in the early 2000s, 202 00:11:57,030 --> 00:12:01,010 Speaker 1: the early aughts, the 2010s, you know, when everything kind 203 00:12:01,050 --> 00:12:03,059 Speaker 1: of started to be able to happen on your laptop, 204 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: you get the whole electro clash thing happening in New York. And, 205 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,819 Speaker 1: you know, that leads to the LCD sound system and 206 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: all that. So this stuff fascinates me, the way it 207 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:14,940 Speaker 1: evolves over time. Zeth and I, in the exclusive section 208 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: of The After Party, are going to go through some 209 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,790 Speaker 1: of our Our favorite recommendations from sort of the home 210 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:24,089 Speaker 1: recording verse, the home recording universe. And we promise there'll 211 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:26,430 Speaker 1: be some revealing stuff in here, some revelatory stuff that 212 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: hopefully you're not aware of or wouldn't think of that'll 213 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: send you down a rabbit hole. And we're just going 214 00:12:32,059 --> 00:12:34,620 Speaker 1: to recommend some cool shit to you. That conversation is 215 00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:36,979 Speaker 1: happening in the exclusive section of this episode. Go to 216 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,530 Speaker 1: disgracelandpod.com to sign up to unlock exclusive and ad-free content 217 00:12:40,570 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: like this. Become part of our all-access Disgraceland community. All right, 218 00:12:47,380 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: so Bobby Fuller in the feed this week in our 219 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,050 Speaker 1: latest episode of Disgrace Land. If you haven't heard it, 220 00:12:52,140 --> 00:12:55,870 Speaker 1: you got to understand that Bobby Fuller was worth more 221 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:59,230 Speaker 1: dead than alive to his record label Delphi Records. Because 222 00:12:59,890 --> 00:13:04,210 Speaker 1: at the time, Bobby Fuller was all that Delphi Records had. 223 00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:06,990 Speaker 1: But Bobby Fuller was going to leave, at least that 224 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:08,929 Speaker 1: was the rumor, he was going to leave Delphi Records 225 00:13:09,010 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: for Atlantic Records. And this wasn't just a rumor. I 226 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,370 Speaker 1: believe it comes from his brother, Randy. There was a 227 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:21,420 Speaker 1: meeting between Bobby Fuller and Ahmet Erdogan in New York City. Now, 228 00:13:21,460 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: it's believed that Notorious Genevieve's family-connected businessman, Morris Levy, had 229 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,900 Speaker 1: unofficially taken control of Delphi Records and that Levy had 230 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:35,050 Speaker 1: personally invested in Bobby in exchange for the rights to 231 00:13:35,090 --> 00:13:39,550 Speaker 1: Bobby's hit song, Let Her Dance. So, if Bobby Fuller 232 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:43,690 Speaker 1: were to leave Delphi Records, the label would be done. Again, 233 00:13:43,770 --> 00:13:47,170 Speaker 1: he was all that the label had. So not only 234 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:49,670 Speaker 1: would the label be done, but Morris Levy's control of 235 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:55,410 Speaker 1: Delphi would be worthless. However, Delphi Records had a million-dollar 236 00:13:55,450 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: insurance policy on Bobby Fuller. So if anything were to 237 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: happen to Bobby Fuller, Delphi, or whoever controlled Delphi, would 238 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,060 Speaker 1: collect a million dollars. And if Bobby Fuller was going 239 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: to leave Delphi for Atlantic and render Delphi virtually worthless, 240 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:14,100 Speaker 1: then some believe Bobby Fuller was worth more dead than alive. 241 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:18,030 Speaker 1: On the day he called a meeting with Delphi to 242 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: inform them that he was leaving, he was found dead 243 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:24,020 Speaker 1: in his mother's Oldsmobile. So who killed Bobby Fuller? Okay, 244 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: we uncover the truth in our new episode of Disgraceland. 245 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,119 Speaker 1: Check that out. That's the Bobby Fuller story. Now, if 246 00:14:30,140 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: you love Bobby Fuller's version of I Fought the Law 247 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:36,710 Speaker 1: and early rock and roll's impact on punk rock, then again, 248 00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:39,950 Speaker 1: this Bobby Fuller episode is going to blow your mind, okay? 249 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:42,970 Speaker 1: That's at the top of our feed right now. Coming up. 250 00:14:43,490 --> 00:14:46,270 Speaker 1: Next in the feed, right after this episode, this bonus episode, 251 00:14:46,330 --> 00:14:49,370 Speaker 1: right after this is our Rewind episode this Sunday on 252 00:14:49,490 --> 00:14:52,410 Speaker 1: Lil Peep. I'm not even sure if we've ever pulled 253 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:54,470 Speaker 1: this one out of the archive for you guys and 254 00:14:54,510 --> 00:14:57,030 Speaker 1: put it in the Rewind slot. If we have, it 255 00:14:57,070 --> 00:14:58,870 Speaker 1: was only once and it was a long, long time ago. 256 00:14:59,530 --> 00:15:03,770 Speaker 1: Great story. I love this story. In 2017, fans didn't 257 00:15:03,830 --> 00:15:06,910 Speaker 1: find out Lil Peep died from a headline or a 258 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:10,810 Speaker 1: radio story. They found out from an Instagram story and 259 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:13,930 Speaker 1: not like just some fan posting about his death, okay? 260 00:15:14,590 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: Lil Peep and two of his fans, while he was 261 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: at a show, they headed to his tour bus to 262 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: get high. The bus was a mess, as you would expect. 263 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a party going on. 264 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,950 Speaker 1: Peep was handed a Xanax and he swallowed it and 265 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:32,030 Speaker 1: he passed out. his new friends, two of his fans, 266 00:15:32,410 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: they kept partying, they kept laughing, they kept fucking around, 267 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: texting their friends, oh, we're hanging out with a rock star, blah, blah, blah, 268 00:15:37,510 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: posting on their socials, all that stuff. And sometime afterward, 269 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,780 Speaker 1: Lil Peep lost consciousness and he stopped breathing. And he 270 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: had fallen victim to fentanyl, which had laced the Xanax 271 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,900 Speaker 1: that he was taking, that he had taken, excuse me. 272 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,729 Speaker 1: Now this dude, Bexy, okay, one of collaborators from the UK. 273 00:16:00,070 --> 00:16:02,110 Speaker 1: He walked to the back of the bus. He saw 274 00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:05,950 Speaker 1: Lil Peep passed out. It was close to showtime. He 275 00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:08,090 Speaker 1: didn't check, Bexy did not check on Lil Peep to 276 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:11,109 Speaker 1: see if he was all right. Instead, the dude took 277 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:16,100 Speaker 1: out his phone and he Insta-storied himself with the passed 278 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: out Lil Peep. Others, Lil Peep's fans, they're on the bus. 279 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,739 Speaker 1: They did the same thing. They didn't know that Lil 280 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Peep wasn't passed out. Okay. It was much darker than that. 281 00:16:27,340 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: You want to know more about this story? You want 282 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: to know more about how Lil Peep died and how 283 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: news of his death traveled in the crazy modern world 284 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: fuckery of all of this? You got to check out 285 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,260 Speaker 1: this Lil Peep episode. Also, side note, those of you 286 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:51,090 Speaker 1: who are punk rock, hardcore fans, when I was at 287 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:54,490 Speaker 1: the Punk Rock Museum, there was a discussion going on 288 00:16:54,530 --> 00:17:00,510 Speaker 1: about how emo music today means something completely different than 289 00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:04,179 Speaker 1: it did in the 90s. In the 90s, it was 290 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,780 Speaker 1: more connected to what it was in the 80s to 291 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:10,500 Speaker 1: write Rites of Spring and embrace those great DC hardcore bands. 292 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,300 Speaker 1: In the 90s, bands like Texas is the Reason, Promise Ring, Piebald, J.June, 293 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: Rye Coalition, I guess. It was something else. That was 294 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,659 Speaker 1: kind of when I was around emo music. And I 295 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,340 Speaker 1: knew a lot of those people in those bands. I 296 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: saw them all karate. Anyways, Lil Peep, heavily, heavily, heavily 297 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,290 Speaker 1: influenced by emo. And we get into what emo is 298 00:17:36,770 --> 00:17:40,389 Speaker 1: fully in this episode. And I'm pretty proud of the 299 00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:42,109 Speaker 1: way we describe it and pull it together for you guys. 300 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:45,540 Speaker 1: So check that out. Lil Peep, hitting your feeds next, 301 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,140 Speaker 1: right after this bonus episode. Then that's on Sunday and 302 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: in the rewind slot. And then our next new episode 303 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: next week is going to be on Quincy Jones. Now, 304 00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:56,659 Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, arguably the greatest music producer of all time, 305 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:59,580 Speaker 1: but towards the end of his life, Quincy Jones made 306 00:17:59,619 --> 00:18:03,859 Speaker 1: some truly outrageous claims. You might've seen these when they 307 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: were popping off. He said that the Beatles didn't play 308 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: their instruments. His experience in the studio with Ringo Starr 309 00:18:10,530 --> 00:18:13,570 Speaker 1: that Ringo couldn't nail a simple four-bar drum part, and 310 00:18:13,609 --> 00:18:15,170 Speaker 1: that Quincy and George Martin had to bring in an 311 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:19,550 Speaker 1: ace jazz drummer, Ronnie Varel, to do what Ringo couldn't do. 312 00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:24,090 Speaker 1: Quincy Jones also claimed that Michael Jackson stole a lot 313 00:18:24,130 --> 00:18:26,030 Speaker 1: of songs. That's a direct quote. He said that Michael 314 00:18:26,109 --> 00:18:28,740 Speaker 1: stole the bass line for Billie Jean from Donna Summer's 315 00:18:28,780 --> 00:18:32,020 Speaker 1: State of Independence, and that the notes don't lie, man. 316 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: That's what Quincy said about Michael Jackson. He also claimed 317 00:18:34,340 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: that Frank Sinatra was the reason that he, Quincy Jones, 318 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,730 Speaker 1: knew exactly who killed John F. Kennedy. So was Quincy 319 00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:44,740 Speaker 1: Jones arguably the greatest producer of all time? Was he lying? 320 00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: Was he lying about these musical crimes, fraud, theft, murder, 321 00:18:48,940 --> 00:18:52,459 Speaker 1: about the Beatles, about Michael Jackson, about Sinatra? We're going 322 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: to find out in this upcoming episode. And we're going 323 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: to get into Q's life, just an incredible life. The 324 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,770 Speaker 1: dude was everywhere. He played with everybody, everybody, a true 325 00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: giant from music history. And who at the end of 326 00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: his career had zero fucks to give and said whatever 327 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: the hell he wanted. And oh my, it's glorious. I'm 328 00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: just scratching the surface here with this stuff about Michael 329 00:19:16,540 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: Jackson and the Beatles and Frank Sinatra. We unpack all 330 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,659 Speaker 1: that in the episode, but there's so much more. So 331 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,020 Speaker 1: that's a Quincy Jones episode. When you're listening to this episode, 332 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:28,869 Speaker 1: be thinking about Quincy's connection to music's greatest artists, okay? 333 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:32,050 Speaker 1: And let us know if you believe that the claims 334 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:34,540 Speaker 1: that he's made that we unpack are Let us know 335 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,899 Speaker 1: if you think they're true or not. If you think 336 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:37,699 Speaker 1: he was lying. I want to know. I unpack it. 337 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: I litigate it. I want to know what you guys 338 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,330 Speaker 1: think though. Side note, who is your favorite music producer? 339 00:19:42,369 --> 00:19:45,429 Speaker 1: We've never asked this question. Which producer has made the 340 00:19:45,490 --> 00:19:47,290 Speaker 1: records that you can't live without? 341 00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:47,770 Speaker 2: 617-906-6638. 342 00:19:47,850 --> 00:19:53,020 Speaker 1: I'll take your answers for either of those questions. Voicemail 343 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: and text. Email me, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Hit me up 344 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,610 Speaker 1: at disgracelandpod on the socials. Discos, we're covering a lot 345 00:20:00,630 --> 00:20:02,469 Speaker 1: of ground right now on Disgrace Land this week with 346 00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:05,730 Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller, Punk Rock, Hardcore Emo, Quincy Jones. I want 347 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:07,050 Speaker 1: to hear from you guys. We're going to be back 348 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:09,470 Speaker 1: in a flash with your answers to last week's question 349 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:11,930 Speaker 1: of the week. your voicemails, text, DMs, and more coming 350 00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: up right after this. All right, guys, we're back. 617-906-6638, 351 00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: voicemail and text. Question of the week from our Bobby 352 00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:35,590 Speaker 1: Fuller episode. What do you think? Who killed him? Pretty simple. 353 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: Do you believe my take? I want to know. Let's 354 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,459 Speaker 1: go to the 903. 355 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:45,580 Speaker 3: Well, Jake, I have to say, being a former journalist 356 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,219 Speaker 3: and just a general seeker of information and a historian 357 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,150 Speaker 3: where I've had to document things and everything, I think 358 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:54,889 Speaker 3: you did a very, very, very, very thorough job of 359 00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:58,890 Speaker 3: drawing out the real story of Bobby Forrest's death and 360 00:20:59,950 --> 00:21:03,910 Speaker 3: pretty eloquently put it together. And in my mind, there's 361 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:06,770 Speaker 3: no question of what happened to him. People, I guess, 362 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:08,970 Speaker 3: are covering their ass and everything like that in Texas, 363 00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:13,169 Speaker 3: but that's Texas. So I grew up in Texas. I 364 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:16,270 Speaker 3: lived in Texas for the first, you know, 40 plus 365 00:21:16,290 --> 00:21:19,690 Speaker 3: years of my life. So I know Texas corruption pretty well. 366 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:23,650 Speaker 3: And of course, DC and stuff where I'm living now 367 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:27,500 Speaker 3: isn't that much better. But anyway, kudos to you for 368 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: the job. Kudos for you for the story and the 369 00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 3: podcast and everything. you're honestly the only podcast that I 370 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:37,220 Speaker 3: pay to support anymore because, you know, things are not 371 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,980 Speaker 3: that great right now economically, but anyway, rock and roll, 372 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing. 373 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: Bye. 903. Thank you so much for your call and 374 00:21:44,940 --> 00:21:47,179 Speaker 1: thank you for support. Appreciate you being part of the 375 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:50,310 Speaker 1: disgrace and all access community and paying for that ad 376 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:54,250 Speaker 1: free and exclusive content. You're never some good, uh, home 377 00:21:54,290 --> 00:21:56,590 Speaker 1: recording recs for you in the exclusive section of the 378 00:21:56,630 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: after party coming up. But, um, Yeah, man, I'm shocked 379 00:22:00,340 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: that this isn't common knowledge. I mean, it's pretty obvious 380 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: to me when you get into the research. Appreciate you 381 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: vibing on what we were saying and how we put 382 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,130 Speaker 1: the story together. I'm glad it resonated with you, 903. 383 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:16,250 Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's go to the 915. Hey, what's up, Disgraceland? 384 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:20,050 Speaker 2: Richie Valenzuela from El Paso, Texas. Man, the Bobby Fuller 385 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: episode was jaw-dropping. I knew the story being from El Paso, 386 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: but I had no idea about all the extra layers. 387 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: What's crazy to me is the manager, Bob King. He 388 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: also managed Richie Valens. And after Richie died, King came 389 00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:39,890 Speaker 2: to El Paso looking for young, dumb, Mexican-American talent. And instead, 390 00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:46,210 Speaker 2: he found a genius, Bobby Fuller. Man, crazy episode. After 391 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:48,540 Speaker 2: hearing your episode, I can't wait but wonder how much 392 00:22:48,619 --> 00:22:53,899 Speaker 2: Bob King really had to do with what happened to Bobby. Anyway, 393 00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:58,700 Speaker 2: phenomenal story. Phenomenal job. Love the podcast. Call out to 394 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: you later. Richie V. Peace. 395 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,230 Speaker 1: Hey, Richie. Thanks for the call, man. My take on 396 00:23:05,290 --> 00:23:07,750 Speaker 1: Bob Keene is that he was more kind of a 397 00:23:07,790 --> 00:23:11,690 Speaker 1: bystander to the more powerful powers that be who were 398 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:16,290 Speaker 1: really controlling his record label. the distributor, and of course, 399 00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:21,850 Speaker 1: the man from New York. Bob Keene, he lived. He 400 00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:25,129 Speaker 1: lived to tell his story. That's kind of telling. Whereas, 401 00:23:25,150 --> 00:23:28,210 Speaker 1: of course, Bobby Fuller did not. Appreciate you, man. Thanks 402 00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:31,790 Speaker 1: for the call. A lot of Texans chiming in. Let's 403 00:23:31,869 --> 00:23:34,710 Speaker 1: go to the 361. What's up, Jake? 404 00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:39,290 Speaker 3: This is Jessica down from 361, Corpus Christi, Texas. Chiming 405 00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:41,869 Speaker 3: in on the best super group ever. 406 00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: And it has to be hands down, my friend, the Highwaymen. 407 00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: That's all I have to say. Have a blessing, brother. 408 00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:49,180 Speaker 3: Take care. 409 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: Hard to argue with the Highwaymen, Jessica. Hard to argue 410 00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:55,980 Speaker 1: with a Texan about the Highwaymen. I think that's how 411 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:58,300 Speaker 1: I should have put it. I got to say, we 412 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: got a Buddy Holly, Day of the Music Died, Richie Valens. 413 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:06,659 Speaker 1: Buddy Holly being from Texas, so I'm mentioning it here. Episode, 414 00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:10,570 Speaker 1: good Dr. Lundy is working up right now. Maybe something 415 00:24:10,609 --> 00:24:15,410 Speaker 1: on the highway meant in the future. I don't know. 617-906-6638. 416 00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:19,990 Speaker 1: Voicemail and text 404-TEXAN. Bob Marley and the Whalers. Bad 417 00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:22,770 Speaker 1: card would be a great track for the casino mixtape. 418 00:24:24,010 --> 00:24:26,130 Speaker 1: I stayed out of the casinos. I mean, I walked 419 00:24:26,170 --> 00:24:29,610 Speaker 1: through them, of course. You can't avoid them. I don't gamble. 420 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:30,530 Speaker 2: I don't know. 421 00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:32,690 Speaker 1: You know, I come from a whole family of gamblers. 422 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:35,010 Speaker 1: Everybody in my family gambles, and I'm the one person 423 00:24:35,030 --> 00:24:38,050 Speaker 1: who doesn't. In both families, my wife's family as well. 424 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:38,860 Speaker 1: It's strange. 425 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 426 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,859 Speaker 1: I just have this aversion to it, except football. I 427 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,580 Speaker 1: bet on football. I don't know. I don't know how 428 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,820 Speaker 1: much of that I can talk about. I guess you 429 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: can talk about it, right? 630 writes in, hey, Jake, 430 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: your comments about your early 20s mirroring John Cusack's movie 431 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: roles reminded me of the great opening essay, This is Emo, 432 00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: from Chuck Klosterman's book, Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs. If 433 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: you've never checked it out, please do. Thanks for everything 434 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: you do. This is Rob from the 630. Rob from 435 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:09,830 Speaker 1: the 630, thank you. I don't know this book. I 436 00:25:09,869 --> 00:25:12,369 Speaker 1: love Chuck when I hear him interviewed. And I read 437 00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:14,629 Speaker 1: one of his books. I can't remember what it was called. 438 00:25:14,650 --> 00:25:16,709 Speaker 1: I have it lying around behind me. I don't know 439 00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:18,500 Speaker 1: where the hell it is. But I'm going to check 440 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: this out because I got emo on the brain. And 441 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:22,510 Speaker 1: like I said, in the little peep episode coming up, 442 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,540 Speaker 1: we've got some good emo history coming at you. And 443 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,810 Speaker 1: we unpacked this Cusack take more fully in the upcoming 444 00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:34,790 Speaker 1: episode of This Film Should Be Played Loud, which hits 445 00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:37,530 Speaker 1: next week on Gross Point Blank. You're not going to 446 00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: want to miss that. For those of you who do 447 00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: not know, this film should be played loud, is our 448 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: monthly video podcast on the greatest music from the greatest movies. 449 00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:50,409 Speaker 1: And we're doing Gross Point Blank, which the soundtrack is 450 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:53,170 Speaker 1: just a fucking banger. This is our second John Cusack movie. 451 00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:56,830 Speaker 1: We've already done High Fidelity. You want to hear this, 452 00:25:56,869 --> 00:25:58,970 Speaker 1: you got to go to disgracelandpod.com, sign up, become an 453 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: All Access member to check that out. This one comes 454 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: from Dee in Dallas. She says, hey, I just listened 455 00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:09,050 Speaker 1: to the episode About Scorsese and other things. And there's 456 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:12,449 Speaker 1: a question about who is the best transition from music 457 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: artist to actor. And hands down, Jared Leto. I will 458 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: fight someone over that. Seriously, I'll die on this hill. 459 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:26,619 Speaker 1: It is absolutely not Will Smith. Definitely 100,000% Jared motherfucking Leto. 460 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,020 Speaker 1: But wasn't Jared Leto an actor before he was a musician? 461 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,620 Speaker 1: Not a musician who turned actor like Will Smith? 462 00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:36,410 Speaker 2: Also. 463 00:26:37,150 --> 00:26:38,859 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be happy about this, D. 464 00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:40,810 Speaker 1: Sounds like you're a Jared Leto 30 Seconds to Mars fan. 465 00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:45,700 Speaker 1: But we've got a Jared Leto episode coming up. And 466 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,699 Speaker 1: I got to say, the shit I'm finding in the 467 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: research is fucking disgusting. And there's a torrent of this 468 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,340 Speaker 1: information out there. That's kind of the one theme I've 469 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,970 Speaker 1: found so far is that this information is abundant. First 470 00:27:00,030 --> 00:27:06,810 Speaker 1: person sourced in addition to tons and tons of Even 471 00:27:06,869 --> 00:27:11,369 Speaker 1: stuff people are sending me, their experiences, nevermind the tons 472 00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:14,710 Speaker 1: and tons of stuff on Reddit and just, you know, it's, 473 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: I kind of don't even know what to do with 474 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: it all, you know, but I'll figure it out. Don't 475 00:27:20,619 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: worry about it. And, you know, if I piss you off, D, apologies. 476 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: Just remember, we've got a whole bunch of other episodes 477 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,179 Speaker 1: where I don't piss you off. All right. Get at 478 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,140 Speaker 1: me guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Question of the week 479 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,619 Speaker 1: next week is going to be about Quincy Jones. Do 480 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:38,979 Speaker 1: you believe him? Is he lying? Is he making that 481 00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: shit up? Sub question. Who's your favorite music producer? Who 482 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,510 Speaker 1: made the records you can't live without? That's what I 483 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:50,070 Speaker 1: want to know. 617-906-6638. Trying to keep up with the 484 00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:52,230 Speaker 1: DMs on Instagram. I feel like I'm doing a better 485 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:56,750 Speaker 1: job than normal lately. At DisgracelandPod. Things are popping over there. 486 00:27:57,850 --> 00:28:00,429 Speaker 1: Get on over. Give us a follow. Follow us on 487 00:28:00,570 --> 00:28:03,950 Speaker 1: X and TikTok. Been a little more active there lately. 488 00:28:04,859 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: Facebook got some login problems, but we're figuring it out. 489 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: At DisgracelandPod on the socials is what I'm saying. Now, 490 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,490 Speaker 1: we all know Michael Jackson's Thriller. But did you know 491 00:28:17,310 --> 00:28:21,950 Speaker 1: that Thriller, one of the greatest, most important records ever recorded, 492 00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:28,020 Speaker 1: almost never happened? Because its producer, Quincy Jones, almost died 493 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,270 Speaker 1: in 1974. That was the year that he had a 494 00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:36,650 Speaker 1: brain aneurysm. Doctors gave Quincy Jones a 1% chance of surviving. 495 00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:39,330 Speaker 1: His friends, Marvin Gaye, Richard Pryor, among them, began planning 496 00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:42,540 Speaker 1: Quincy Jones' memorial service for him. That's how dire things were. 497 00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: But Quincy Jones survived and not only went on to 498 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,820 Speaker 1: produce Michael Jackson's first three albums, including Thriller, but he 499 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:51,780 Speaker 1: also produced many, many others. And he became the most 500 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:57,770 Speaker 1: Grammy-nominated artist in history. 80 nominations and 28 wins. But 501 00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:00,410 Speaker 1: all that nearly didn't happen. Can you imagine pop history 502 00:29:00,450 --> 00:29:03,580 Speaker 1: without Thriller, without Quincy Jones? I can't. And I'm glad 503 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:05,220 Speaker 1: we don't have to. And I can't wait for you 504 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: to hear our new episode on Quincy Jones coming up 505 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:24,630 Speaker 1: next week. Coming up after this break, your emails. All right. 506 00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: This one comes from Jeff Smith. Hey, Jake, JJ Smitty 507 00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:31,620 Speaker 1: living in Osaka, Japan. I went from thinking your show 508 00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:35,390 Speaker 1: was just gossip to loving it. Loving is in all caps. 509 00:29:36,370 --> 00:29:38,110 Speaker 1: Keep on rocking and rolling. First of all, before I 510 00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:41,260 Speaker 1: read the rest of your email here, JJ Smitty. whatever 511 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,980 Speaker 1: gave you the impression that Disgraceland was gossip? This is 512 00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: a very serious question. I'm not just picking bones, picking nits. 513 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,870 Speaker 1: I want to know, is this something you heard? Certainly 514 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,830 Speaker 1: not the episodes. You can tell that they're all very 515 00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:57,950 Speaker 1: well researched. Who told you that? Because I'm going to 516 00:29:58,070 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: fucking find them. No, I'm not. I just want to know. Okay. 517 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: JJ Smitty goes on to say, as a native New Yorker, 518 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: no doubt Bobby Fuller got released from any obligations, quote unquote. 519 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:12,740 Speaker 1: Bobby talked too much and threatened. And that was it. 520 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,660 Speaker 1: Sad story because getting ripped off happened and happens to 521 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,380 Speaker 1: so many young artists and they really have no help. 522 00:30:19,420 --> 00:30:21,660 Speaker 1: Bobby was from Texas, which meant at the time that 523 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,550 Speaker 1: he knew nothing about the entertainment business in New York 524 00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:27,650 Speaker 1: or LA. Just too bad. Rockarola, you're a bad man. 525 00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:31,190 Speaker 1: All the best and continued success. JJ Smitty. JJ Smitty, 526 00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: you are absolutely right. You nailed it. You nailed it. 527 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:37,350 Speaker 1: Texans have that thing about them. I read this in 528 00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:41,370 Speaker 1: a Mario Puzo book years ago. That's sort of, you know, 529 00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:44,940 Speaker 1: everything's bigger in Texas. I feel like Texans have that 530 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,420 Speaker 1: imbued in them in the same way, you know, us 531 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: from the Northeast have this like smart ass thing in us. 532 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: You know, I don't even really notice it until like 533 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,940 Speaker 1: get out of New England. And I think Bobby Fuller 534 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: had brass balls. I really do. And I felt like, 535 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: I think he felt like he could take over the 536 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,900 Speaker 1: world and he could stand up to guys in New 537 00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:12,470 Speaker 1: York and LA and, uh, did not happen. Sad, sad stuff. 538 00:31:12,510 --> 00:31:15,650 Speaker 1: Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. You want to hit us up, talk 539 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:17,990 Speaker 1: about anything. Listen, Zeth and I are going to be 540 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:21,370 Speaker 1: talking about home recording recommendations. Now I'm not talking about 541 00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:24,620 Speaker 1: like gear you use at home to record. I'm talking about, uh, 542 00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:28,270 Speaker 1: home recordings that were turned into great art. We're going 543 00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:30,550 Speaker 1: to get into that on the exclusive section of this 544 00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:33,710 Speaker 1: after party coming up right now. Go to disgracehandpod.com to 545 00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:36,930 Speaker 1: sign up, become an all access member, unlock ad-free listening 546 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:41,170 Speaker 1: and exclusive content just like this by supporting the show. 547 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:45,230 Speaker 1: And it's not expensive. It's very reasonably priced. I know 548 00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:47,510 Speaker 1: things are tough right now. I get it. But this 549 00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:49,610 Speaker 1: little extra bit of support every month, it helps us 550 00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:53,580 Speaker 1: make extra content. And that's what you guys want. So 551 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. We appreciate it. Before 552 00:31:57,020 --> 00:32:00,030 Speaker 1: we get there, however, I almost forgot. I've got to 553 00:32:00,050 --> 00:32:03,530 Speaker 1: tell you about Hollywoodland. You know about Hollywoodland. It's our 554 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:06,370 Speaker 1: Hollywood and true crime podcast. It's Zeth Helms. We've got 555 00:32:06,430 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: archive episodes. We've got Will Smith in the feed this week. 556 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: Zeth's hitting you two times a week in the Hollywoodland 557 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,900 Speaker 1: feed with the wrap party with my recommendations as well 558 00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:17,870 Speaker 1: in the screening room. This weekend, we're all going to 559 00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:20,390 Speaker 1: be watching Tony Scott's Enemy of the State, which is 560 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:24,510 Speaker 1: probably my favorite Will Smith movie. Fantastic movie. Love this movie. 561 00:32:25,090 --> 00:32:28,690 Speaker 1: Early Jack Black. So make sure you subscribe to Hollywoodland 562 00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:31,430 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get 563 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Because this whole conversation I'm doing here, it's 564 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: happening in a different way over there. Different conversation. More conversation. 565 00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:39,710 Speaker 1: That's my point. Like I said earlier, this film should 566 00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:41,770 Speaker 1: be played loud. Our new episode on Gross Point Blank, 567 00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:45,670 Speaker 1: that hits next week. Okay, disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Make 568 00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:47,750 Speaker 1: sure you're an all-access member so you can cop that 569 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: video episode. And of course, get the bonus section of 570 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,540 Speaker 1: the after party as well that I teased earlier that 571 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm about to get into right now with Dr. Zeth Lundy. 572 00:32:57,940 --> 00:33:12,310 Speaker 1: All right, coming up right after this. All right, we're back. 573 00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:14,790 Speaker 1: We're ready to split. Before we do, I just want 574 00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:17,580 Speaker 1: to say thank you. And, you know, appreciate you guys, 575 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,860 Speaker 1: as always. Newbies, new Disgraceland listeners, you want more Disgraceland, 576 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,830 Speaker 1: whole archive, nearly 300 episodes on basically every artist you 577 00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:29,229 Speaker 1: can think of. Get in there. You got questions, hit 578 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:32,850 Speaker 1: me up, disgracelandpod.gmail.com. I will answer them. I will point 579 00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:36,380 Speaker 1: you in the right direction. All right. Let's recap. Number one, 580 00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:39,180 Speaker 1: this week, our new episode on Bobby Fuller is available 581 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: for you right now. Number two, in the rewind slot 582 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:44,510 Speaker 1: this weekend, our classic episode on Lil Peep. Number three, 583 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:47,750 Speaker 1: next week, coming up, our next new episode on Quincy Jones. 584 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:50,490 Speaker 1: Number four, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes 585 00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:53,469 Speaker 1: in Hollywoodland. So, Make sure you're subscribed. And I give 586 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:55,890 Speaker 1: you my music recommendations in the wrap party over in 587 00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:59,950 Speaker 1: the Hollywoodland feed. Again, subscribe to Hollywoodland. Number five, this 588 00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:03,270 Speaker 1: film should be played loud video podcast episode on licorice pizza. 589 00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:06,430 Speaker 1: That's available now. And our next new episode on gross 590 00:34:06,550 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: point blank is coming September 30th. That's next week. Go 591 00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an all access 592 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: member and unlock exclusive content. Just like this, along with 593 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,090 Speaker 1: ad-free listening. Number 6, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging 594 00:34:22,130 --> 00:34:24,510 Speaker 1: into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, 595 00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:26,950 Speaker 1: keep texting with your answers to this week's question of 596 00:34:26,969 --> 00:34:29,610 Speaker 1: the week. Who's your favorite music producer? Or with whatever 597 00:34:29,670 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: else you want to talk about. Hit us up, let 598 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,860 Speaker 1: us know. Number 7, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. 599 00:34:34,219 --> 00:34:36,739 Speaker 1: It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one 600 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,460 Speaker 1: cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. 601 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: It ties them all together like you do. And well, 602 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: that's a disgrace. All right, back on July 18th, 1966. 603 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,980 Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller's body was discovered in a parking lot, and 604 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: this is what America was listening to on that day 605 00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:56,810 Speaker 1: according to the Billboard charts. 1. Hanky Panky, Tommy James, 606 00:34:56,930 --> 00:35:01,500 Speaker 1: and the Shondells. Last week, 1. Peak Position, 1. Weeks 607 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,820 Speaker 1: on Chart, 8. 2. Wild Thing, The Trogs. Last week, 2. 608 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,790 Speaker 1: Peak Position, 7. Two, Weeks on Chart. Five. Number three, 609 00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:16,390 Speaker 1: Lil Red Riding Hood. Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs. 610 00:35:16,469 --> 00:35:21,710 Speaker 1: Last week, Pied 9. Peak position. Three, Weeks on Chart. Seven. 611 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:25,820 Speaker 1: Number four, the Pied Piper. Peak position. Crispy and St. Peter's. 612 00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: Last week, 12. Peak position. Four, Weeks on Chart. Seven. 613 00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:49,219 Speaker 1: Number five, the Pied Piper. Quit talking and start mixing. 614 00:35:49,489 --> 00:35:49,950 Speaker 3: Cut it!