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Speaker 1: This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You

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Speaker 1: while you're there. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm

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Speaker 1: playing along with James Bay. I'm just playing long Wey,

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Speaker 1: I'm just playing lone Weezy. Hey, I'm Norah Jones and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast with Me today and always, Sarah Oda. Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Our guest today is the Grammy nominated, brit Award winning

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Speaker 3: singer songwriter James Bay Yay. He broke through with his

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Speaker 3: debut album, Chaos and the Calm, and he is celebrating

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Speaker 3: the ten year anniversary of that debut album this year.

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Speaker 2: That's so exciting.

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Speaker 1: We have not met until this podcast was filmed, and

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Speaker 1: he's just a delight and an incredible singer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're going to hear about his process in the

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Speaker 3: studio and how he's involved when he's working on music.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna hear about his.

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Speaker 3: Surprising country vibes even though he's from outside of London.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of unexpected.

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Speaker 2: He's got a little bit of country there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little country. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And as always, you're gonna hear some great music, new

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Speaker 3: and old from across his catalog.

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Speaker 1: This was really fun and I hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: episode with James Bay.

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Speaker 4: I broke the speed limits to Getty.

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Speaker 5: That's a girl, and there was no road.

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Speaker 6: Lost my keys and common sense John, the guns, John

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Speaker 6: de fence, just to find you go home?

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Speaker 1: I turned lines off in the kitchen. That's a neat.

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Speaker 7: Drive, the roses in the city, well the cold, then

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Speaker 8: No glody.

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Speaker 9: So's the sway on our shoulders would keep us up from.

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Speaker 10: The morning through the dark.

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Speaker 11: If the molly is though that we walk through again,

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Speaker 11: then outcome we can't find her key.

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Speaker 5: I brought the speed limit to getting.

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Speaker 6: I cut the valley through the rain, held of angel

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Speaker 5: Just to find you go home, nobody, jo that's the

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Speaker 6: Our should that's well, keep us apart from the morning

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Speaker 10: Doll is a door that we walk.

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Speaker 5: Through there again?

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Speaker 8: Then how come we can't find the keys?

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Speaker 9: Should's would keep us apart from the.

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Speaker 10: Morning through the dark. Flood is her door that we

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Speaker 12: There?

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Speaker 8: How come we can't find the keys.

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Speaker 13: I brought the speed letting to guess you, I took

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Speaker 9: Now we don't ever get it right. Couple samples in

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Speaker 9: the name drifting along all the places that we win.

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Speaker 9: I went back to them again.

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Speaker 14: Just to find you go, oh my god, it's very

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Speaker 14: wow mm hmm, shaking it out because it feels it's

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Speaker 14: very exciting. I was saying about like big necked guitars

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Speaker 14: all that adrenaline, and I heard Jack White say that

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Speaker 14: and I loved that, and even down to like I

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Speaker 14: play everything like a whole step down. That's actually for

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Speaker 1: That's really or else I'd be like and like all

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, it keeps me in a sort of strangely

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Speaker 14: and it's and the cage is saying like, keep fighting

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Speaker 14: And what's funny about it also, I figure, is that

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Speaker 2: It's probably not that trying to stay.

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Speaker 14: But there's something in order that that sort of creates

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Speaker 1: Potentially, very potentially is.

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Speaker 2: That pushing Paul. You know, I'm trying to think if.

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Speaker 1: I have what I have like that.

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Speaker 14: I have to say like and maybe you'll think of something.

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Speaker 14: But like for some artists perhaps and in my view

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Speaker 14: or a great record made when the listener is lost

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Speaker 14: and that's cool. But the other thing that I'm really

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Speaker 14: I'm loving this because they've got it your music. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: That's that's my experience, and so I'm going for that

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Speaker 2: But I think you you're you can hold it in

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like it kind of to me now

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's like it's like, I know you

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Speaker 14: I'm trying to mature into that more and more, and

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm enjoying that as I hopefully sort of mature

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Speaker 1: Well, you never will ever fully master any of it, right,

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Speaker 1: We keep evolving and changing and that's the beauty of

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Speaker 14: But you know what, I think you can say a

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Speaker 14: there's another there's another angle that's it's clearly the main

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Speaker 14: Same for Willy, Yeah, it's it's there's there's a few

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some people just don't want to be home. Yes,

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Speaker 14: It doesn't come without struggle, of course.

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Speaker 14: Just like missing people at home, you know, missing family,

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Speaker 14: Which is I don't know all about it, but but

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Speaker 14: I I just adore getting on a plane and a bus.

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Speaker 14: All of them are such luxuries because some people, you know,

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Speaker 14: less than that. And I've done all versions. I've been

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Speaker 14: and all kinds of other stuff. And I'll take any version. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: I will take any version.

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Speaker 2: I like the bus version.

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Speaker 1: But I don't sleep good on the bus anymore, which

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Speaker 2: It's like sports fan, I kind of need it.

442
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 14: You're crazy, like Mexico City, and they're like, no, no,

443
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 14: we've come for you to like be very earnest. And

444
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 14: I thought, and I realized it a little bit more

445
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 14: in hindsight, but I did partly realize it in the set.

446
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 14: I thought, I really appreciate you Philadelphia for wanting that

447
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 14: sort of version of what is just a very live

448
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 14: and ever changing thing. My only other hack, I guess,

449
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 14: which I felt like I learned in the pandemic a

450
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 14: very strange time where people were jumping on the internet,

451
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 14: artists were going up on Instagram, live streams or whatever.

452
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 14: I saw Chris Martin, who's certainly got a lot of

453
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 14: hits under his belt, big songs and probably a handful

454
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Speaker 14: of bulletproof sets. He went and did live stream thing

455
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 14: and he found it. He's got this great sort of

456
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 14: kind of goofiness, I guess, and he clearly found it

457
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 14: quite bizarre that the sort of worlded shutdown and people

458
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 14: were just tapping and typing into his live feeding say

459
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 14: play this play that play Yellow Bay the Scientist. So

460
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 14: he's like reading as it goes bying yellow okay, and

461
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 14: he do like verse and chorus, and then he'd go

462
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 14: and you know how the rest goes? What else have

463
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 14: we got? And it was amazing to sort of watch,

464
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 14: and you can felt everybody around the world sort of

465
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 14: tuned in and sort of laughing. I've kind of applied

466
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 14: a little, I know, I talked about them. Talk to

467
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 14: you about the melody the Medley thing earlier that I've

468
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 14: applied a little bit of this to my shows because

469
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 14: I get this anxiety and it's a really like I

470
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 14: sort of feel blessed to be in a scenario where

471
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 14: this is my anxiety live. I have to set this ready.

472
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 14: I'll be doing the show and there'll be signs in

473
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 14: the crowd saying please play this song. And it was

474
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 14: never in the set list, and I'm stressed because I'm like,

475
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 14: I want to plead. I guess no.

476
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Speaker 1: That is always stressful because if it's not in the

477
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: same Yeah, you're like a people pleaser, you know, as

478
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: a performer in some respects.

479
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Speaker 14: So I'll do the Chris Martin verse and chorus. Oh,

480
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 14: and everybody cheers, and it's very unexpected and it's very

481
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 14: off the cuff, and that keeps it live.

482
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: That's always great.

483
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: I've done that, and it's usually a song I haven't

484
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: rehearsed with the band. I never told them to learn,

485
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: and that I just haven't done in so long. So

486
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I guess I'll do a solo version.

487
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 14: I've played in La the other night and a lady

488
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 14: in the audience had a sign for a song of

489
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 14: Michael Incomplete, which is from my last from my first album.

490
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 14: Band don't know it. Some of them do, but we've

491
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 14: never done it as a group together. And then the

492
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 14: next night I had some time at a free night

493
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Speaker 14: and gea a hotel cafe in La who I know

494
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 14: very well. It's a great venue, and I said, can

495
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 14: I come and just do some songs, just kind of

496
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 14: impromptu informal. She said yeah, so I let people know

497
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 14: on social media it was going to go and do that.

498
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 14: And this lady came with her same sign from the

499
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 14: night before and I hadn't played it the night before,

500
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 14: and I said, yeah, absolutely, I'll give it go. I've

501
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 14: got some of the lyrics wrong. I forgot some of

502
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 14: the lists.

503
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Speaker 1: She probably loved it had a magic that one. Yeah, exactly.

504
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: It goes live is the thing. I think.

505
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: Do you want to do another song?

506
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 14: Let's do another song?

507
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: And that last song was from your new album It

508
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: was it was Some.

509
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 14: Changes All the Time, which came out in October twenty four.

510
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you self produce that?

511
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 14: No? I worked with Gabe Simon. He actually put his

512
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 14: hand up and said can we be co producers on this?

513
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 14: I said, gay, because I haven't other confidence. I'm very

514
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 14: busy with the production of my music.

515
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm even if my name's not on

516
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: the productions. Like, I'm pretty much involved in big times

517
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: everything every every day. Two and that's and I'm a

518
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: pain in the butt.

519
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, same boy, boy.

520
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: I fight the fight. There is the right fight.

521
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 14: Get better at fighting that fight, and I will take

522
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 14: any advice you've got because I'm I'm I'm learning and

523
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 14: growing and learning to just be better at that. And

524
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 14: Gabe actually makes an amazing kind of space for me too.

525
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 14: You know, I've said this before and it always feels

526
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 14: kind of prickly, but like one of my favorite I

527
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 14: love Gabe so much. I love working with him, and

528
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 14: I treasure the ability we have to argue.

529
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: Ah, that's nice.

530
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 14: We argue great.

531
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: You can clash and.

532
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 14: We do it great.

533
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: It's yeah, we do it so great.

534
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 14: And that's one of my favorite things about working with him.

535
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 14: I mean, there are so many things I love and

536
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 14: he's a great musician, a great producer, he's a great writer.

537
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 14: And you know, on this record, he invited me to

538
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 14: write during recording.

539
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: Is this the first time you've done that?

540
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 14: Yes?

541
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 2: I remember my first time so.

542
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 14: I don't want to go deep into this we want,

543
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 14: but what it's based on is it's expensive to make

544
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 14: a record exactly like you've got to pay for time

545
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 14: and the clock is ticking. Yeah, and that's stressful because

546
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 14: I find that stressful. I didn't grow up in a

547
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 14: world where I could just sort of throw away like

548
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 14: time and money or whatever. So it's very anxiety inducing

549
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 14: for your you know, collaborator and producer to go, hey,

550
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 14: should we just like stop recording for a bit and

551
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 14: not worry about the list of songs that we've gotten,

552
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 14: see what we want to write? Because I have a

553
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 14: very big is he writing relationship with Gabe as well,

554
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 14: and this time I said, okay, let's give it a swing,

555
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 14: and we wrote three songs that went on this album

556
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 14: that nobody had heard before we went into the studio.

557
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 14: The first one we wrote was the first single was

558
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 14: called Up All Night. And then, you know, there are

559
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 14: other ways that I love working with Gabe. So speed

560
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 14: Limit as a song that it didn't really need to

561
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 14: change an awful lot from the demo was a voice note.

562
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 14: They didn't need to change an awful lot of that,

563
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 14: a guitar and a vocal, but we wanted to. I

564
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 14: wanted to explore this kind of like feel of it

565
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 14: being of it sounding like it was being played in

566
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 14: the corner of a bar. Last thing. Yeah, place close,

567
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 14: you know that kind of feel.

568
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: You captured it.

569
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 14: Oh, thank you for But I had an appointment to

570
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 14: get to, like a doctor's appointment or something on that

571
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 14: afternoon in the studio, so we set up to do

572
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 14: like a scratch version, scratch vocal, so there's like lead

573
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 14: on the vocal micro of the guitar ramp and everything.

574
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 14: And I did it, and he felt really good about it,

575
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 14: and he had this look on his face, and I thought, well, Gabe,

576
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 14: I'm coming back because I'm going to ten more takes

577
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 14: if you like it or not.

578
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: And he loved it.

579
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 14: I went and I came back and he said, you know,

580
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 14: he really like twisted my arms, said this is the

581
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 14: absolute take, and like while he did it as well,

582
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 14: he played the drums down while I was singing and

583
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 14: playing guitar. We did it very Black Keys, very early

584
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 14: Black Keys style, like no bass, no keys, just the

585
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 14: two of you, just the two of us. Yeah, and

586
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 14: he wanted the drums to be so light.

587
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very distant.

588
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, no, no sticks were good enough, so he

589
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 14: chose the chop sticks from the Chinese takeout. But we

590
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 14: had the night before and those are what I recorded

591
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 14: on that song. And I think he barely played any

592
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 14: symbols anyway. Yeah, speed limit. Ye, it's it's from this

593
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 14: new album and I had a great time making that record.

594
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 14: It was intense. It's I've sort of come to appreciate.

595
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 14: It's always intense for me. Maybe it is for so

596
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 14: many artists in different ways. But like, I'm a little

597
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 14: embarrassed at how much I can stress really the environment

598
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 14: we're making a record, but like, I'm trying to give

599
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 14: my absolute everything, every fiber of my being to to

600
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 14: the thing, and I wanted to feel good and great,

601
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 14: you know.

602
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

603
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 14: Is that like what's it like for you when.

604
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: It's intense for you in that you're worried that it's

605
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: coming out right?

606
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 10: Or Yeah?

607
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 14: I try, and I'm trying to shed. I'm constantly trying

608
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 14: to shed in this sort of day and age. I'm

609
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 14: trying to shed concern or anxiety about how it will

610
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 14: be received and perceived. You can't control that.

611
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: In the studio. It's really hard to not think about that.

612
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: But I definitely. I think because my first record was

613
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: so big, I had to just completely shut it out.

614
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: But I had again, I had the like the privilege

615
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: of doing that because of the success.

616
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 14: Wait, so hang on, are we talking about the first one?

617
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 14: Are you talking about what I'm talking about after that?

618
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 14: Making the second?

619
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about after that. I think the

620
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: first one, I was just sort of ignorant and I,

621
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't know it was going to be

622
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: that big. We didn't think dream it was going to

623
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: be that bad.

624
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 14: That ignorance is truly bliss.

625
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: So that is bliss, yes, And I think after that

626
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: I had to just shut it out because I didn't

627
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: think I was ever gonna make something that big or

628
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't stupid. I knew I wasn't going to ever

629
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: make something that big again, Okay, and I haven't well,

630
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and I'm with that, you know, it's totally fine.

631
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 14: Well, can you say anything just for me as a

632
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 14: super fan if I may? Can you just say anything

633
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 14: about the second record? Particularly? And I know I told

634
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 14: you earlier I'm a very big fan of that album.

635
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 14: But the second record is strange territory, isn't it.

636
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so strange.

637
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 14: So going into making it, you know, do you what

638
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 14: do you remember?

639
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: I remember it well. I was a new songwriter.

640
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: I only had two and a half songs on my

641
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: first album, right mine, So I was still new at

642
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: that and I was getting more into it. And so

643
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: my bass player at the time was also my boyfriend,

644
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: and we we just sort of shut the outside world

645
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: out at that point.

646
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 14: It's nice.

647
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: And the band was all my best friends, you know. Yeah,

648
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: it was great.

649
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: You can hear it, yeah, And so we and I

650
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: did some of their songs as well.

651
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: We were all kind of getting into songwriting, so we

652
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: just sort of like focused on each other, wow, and

653
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: the music. And I don't think I I think I

654
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: also had like jazz phobia at that time because I

655
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of I came from jazz, but the

656
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: first album wasn't really a jazz record, right, but everybody

657
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: called it a jazz record. So I got like a

658
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: little like wary of labels.

659
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, I guess you do are called like folk and acoustic. Yeah,

660
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 14: in ways that I think is so okay, but are

661
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 14: so like five percent of who I am as an artist.

662
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem with like believing all that stuff

663
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: or reading it or or like just not realizing that

664
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: it's just what it has to be and you don't

665
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: have to have any part of it.

666
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 14: You can't control it, really, you can't control it because

667
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 14: someone will, you know, I'll be seen with an acoustic

668
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 14: guitar in my hand and someone will say I like

669
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 14: easy listening music. I'll try and listen to music.

670
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: Oh, easy listening. Don't get me started on that.

671
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, but it's probably my biggest radio

672
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: my only radio play.

673
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 14: This, this is it. But like I wanted to say though,

674
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 14: like just that there is a really great version for

675
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 14: all artists of like making something that is easy for

676
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 14: people to listen to. Yeah, I just wanted to say, like,

677
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 14: and I'm a fan of lots of your music, but

678
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 14: the second record for me, there's that I listened to

679
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 14: it with such ease. But it isn't just that. So

680
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 14: I'm not just going to sort of put it over.

681
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 14: There is even my version listening. I'm going to say

682
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 14: I listened to it, and I find it. I'm like

683
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 14: so captured by how easy I find it to listen to,

684
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 14: but how much it makes me want to play and

685
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 14: write and sit among people and play with them. So

686
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 14: there's a there's a it's pulling me at the same time.

687
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 14: Sure it's easy and that's that's a lovely sort of

688
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 14: feeling as a listener. But the way that it's put

689
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 14: when music pulls you, it pulls you, that's really exciting.

690
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 14: That's when it's got you.

691
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: That's really and that's something you can't really put into words.

692
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: It's a feeling. So when people try to right about people,

693
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: especially when you're young and you get pigeonholed or you

694
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: get labeled a certain thing, or or you get detractors

695
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, it's really.

696
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Easy to make it.

697
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: Make you want to sort of prove it wrong, even

698
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: if you're not conscious of it, not admitting to being

699
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: conscious of it.

700
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 14: So, you know, for.

701
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: Years I had this like punk rock thing I wanted

702
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: to do, but like, you know, I still try to

703
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: just you know, I feel like what's natural always rises

704
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: to the top when I'm in the studio, and what

705
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, even if I'm trying to like prove something wrong,

706
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: it usually isn't the best way to.

707
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Go about it, and it never makes the record, do

708
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

709
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 14: Isn't it? But you needed to go down that.

710
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: Road, Yeah, let's play a song.

711
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 14: Let's play a song. Yeah, I just wanted to talk

712
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 14: about you playing guitar, but we'll go into that.

713
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

714
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 14: Yeah, because I'm mixing something up while you play guitar,

715
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 14: and I really loved it.

716
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: I have another band called Well.

717
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I was in a band called El Madmo where I

718
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: learned sort of started playing guitar, and then I have

719
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: a band called Put Some Boots where I play guitar.

720
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: It's more of a country leaning thing.

721
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 14: What did you do with Jaki oh?

722
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: So Jakuire?

723
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 14: He's like you Norah Jones.

724
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that was so jaqir King produced your first album, Yeah,

725
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: in Nashville. So he produced my fourth album, which was

726
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: the first time I worked without my original band, my boyfriend, etcetera.

727
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: We had broken up. It was like a big I

728
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: wanted to change my sound up and I needed the

729
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: right producer to help me because I'm not an engineer.

730
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: I knew what I wanted, but like I didn't know how.

731
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: To get it.

732
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 14: Is great because he's as great a producer as he

733
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 14: is an engineer. Yeah, he's both things.

734
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: He's so great and he's so sweet, and he went

735
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: where I wanted to go, and he wasn't trying to

736
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: stamp it with his sound or anything. Did you make

737
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: it black Bud, No, we made it in New York. Oh, okay,

738
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: we did one session in LA and one session in

739
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: New York.

740
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 14: I didn't know if he was like a black Bird

741
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 14: based black Bird in Nashville.

742
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: That's right.

743
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: No, I didn't go to Nashville with him, but sorry.

744
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 14: So, yeah, it was a roundabout life. I wanted to

745
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 14: talk about you playing guitar.

746
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: But let's play a song and then and then but

747
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: that is yeah, well we'll talk about that.

748
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 14: I want to know about that, because, by the way,

749
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 14: that was a great experience. I just I'm a terrible

750
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 14: piano player.

751
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: And I'm a terrible guitar.

752
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 14: Well, I just want to talk about the sort of

753
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 14: transition I guess between you have a primary instrument and

754
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 14: then you again you get like drawn to like, well

755
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 14: people know me.

756
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: It's this, I want to do this exactly.

757
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: I do think that was the thing for me.

758
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: But also I think it was just fun and I

759
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: think it was just easier to write songs on guitar

760
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: because I knew too much about the piano and I

761
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: was thinking too much when I was trying to write

762
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: songs weren't spilling out of me on the piano, but

763
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: they were on the guitar.

764
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: It's funny because I only knew through like four chords.

765
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: Ye, so come away with me, I wrote on guitar.

766
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 14: Wow, Yeah, that's cool.

767
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: And those are the only chords I knew.

768
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 14: There's so much magic in y Yes, the song, but

769
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 14: just the process.

770
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 8: You know.

771
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting sometimes you have to strip it back

772
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: to the beginning.

773
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 14: Yeah, because you know, we've we've got the pizza obstacles

774
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 14: and you know, ways to the ways that you struggle

775
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 14: become part of the discovery of something new.

776
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

777
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Your limitations are what make you. Otherwise you're just going

778
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: to be too good.

779
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely right, that's not interesting.

780
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 14: It isn't What do you want to do?

781
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking Elephant? That elephant. Who's the other singer

782
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: on this one on the record?

783
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 14: Maggie and Tone?

784
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: Oh I love it?

785
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: I love her voice?

786
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 14: Was she I've still yet to properly. I've met her

787
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 14: on the phone.

788
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, here we go.

789
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 14: I need to. I need to. This is the time

790
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 14: we live in. I need to meet her very properly

791
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 14: in real life. I hope I can do that because

792
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 14: she wasn't in town when I was recording this. But

793
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 14: Gabe again, you know, he said, you're making these We're

794
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 14: making these songs. He said, where You've got a song

795
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 14: with Sheryl Crow, which is just a very exciting, like

796
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 14: you know, big x y. And we did a song

797
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 14: with John Batiste for this deluxe.

798
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: Thing, also a big flex, a huge.

799
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 14: I was like, how is this possible? And he said,

800
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 14: let's talk about maybe we could get like somebody who's

801
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 14: a little less known and on their way up. And

802
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 14: because we've all been there, yeah, I've been that person.

803
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 14: And so they knew Maggie and called her, and then

804
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 14: I spoke to Maggie and she was very excited she

805
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 14: got we sent it the song. Of course, first well

806
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 14: I can't work it out because she was somewhere. She

807
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 14: was in Austin at one point and maybe Nashville, so

808
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 14: she's somewhere between those two Texas and that and Tennessee.

809
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 14: She makes great music, She's got a fantastic voice, and

810
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 14: she really Carrie, who played drums on a lot of

811
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 14: this music and helped just production and everything. She sent

812
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 14: me a video of when she was recording Maggie singing,

813
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 14: and I was completely like stopped in my tracks because

814
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 14: it was like the a cappella thing where I was

815
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 14: just she was just filming her on her phone while

816
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 14: she was putting a takedown. So, yeah, that's Maggie singing

817
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 14: on here, and uh, it's a funny one. I really

818
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 14: like how there's such a duet sort of detail to this,

819
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 14: but it's not like busy with like harmony and everything.

820
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I like that too. I'm going to resist the urge

821
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: to put a harmony. You know, I might stick one in.

822
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 14: Please do look at everything we've just said.

823
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: I also, I really love Unison.

824
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 16: I love that.

825
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: I love that.

826
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 14: I've never liked sung something so in a really wonderful way.

827
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 14: There's a sort of one dimensional nature to what I'm

828
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 14: doing in this song. It's all very low and kind

829
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 14: of I really enjoyed. I like the little yeah, not

830
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 14: just because I'm on tour and I'm trying to, you know,

831
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 14: chill my voice. No, it sounds great, and I'm going

832
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 14: to try it on your lovely old gibs and guitar.

833
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: Here.

834
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 10: I've run away.

835
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 17: I've run away to get my heaven leaf face, a

836
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 17: little true f attle line, I get the perfect mix.

837
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 17: Call up a string.

838
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 12: Come me.

839
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: I ain't eat an exorcist.

840
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 10: I'm let him out.

841
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 8: I'm letting then.

842
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 14: I'm working through some shit.

843
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 5: I don't wanna feel this way crushing.

844
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: Me in like am out there. Lookay, this is my reading.

845
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: Trying to stand any that in the face.

846
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 8: It's going away around it.

847
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't run from it, but I can hide see

848
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: it all fing.

849
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 14: From the every side.

850
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 17: Now I'm standing in on the cooky side, screaming at

851
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 17: the Jesus too the lane, screaming save.

852
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 10: Me from the red gum.

853
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: Pull me in under, pull me up again.

854
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 10: I'm shutting, leave it.

855
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I be living in sitting.

856
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 10: Lead the lie back, and lead the lie back.

857
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 17: Let the light back again.

858
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Let the lighted back, Let the light back again.

859
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 17: A little faint, a little face, a little combage. Now

860
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 17: up on the way, go up on the way on

861
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 17: to the other town.

862
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 6: It's gonna feel a little strange and let a lot somehow.

863
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 7: But if I know than't anything, I gotta.

864
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 14: Nd back down.

865
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 10: I've think ll find the chape trying to say.

866
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 15: Took an even pushing on other day from all this

867
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 15: to super trying to save down in.

868
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 8: The face, she's all the way around it.

869
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 9: I can't run from me, but I can't hide she

870
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 9: needlely from very side.

871
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 8: Now I'm standing on the coolky.

872
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 9: Side, screaming and Jason too the make screaming, save me

873
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 9: from the rag guy, from me under, for me up, bocket.

874
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 5: I should I believe in sin Bad.

875
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 8: The light bag and bad the light Bag.

876
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 10: Bad, the light Bag, Bag, the light back.

877
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 8: Pay the light Bag.

878
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 5: No, I can't run from it, but I can't Hi

879
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 5: see it out from from movies.

880
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: Si.

881
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 9: Now I'm standing on the corky side screaming at Jesus

882
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 9: to the light, screaming and saving from the rick game,

883
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 9: pull me under, pull me up, berking, So don't believe it.

884
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 6: I'm giving in said bare the light back again, Bad,

885
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 6: light back.

886
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 10: Dead, the light back Dead, the light Bag.

887
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 8: Tad the light back, the Live back, the Lime Back.

888
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 10: Live, the Lime Man.

889
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: That was fun.

890
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 14: It's fun. There's so many bits of my own song

891
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 14: that I sort of forget are coming. Yeah, just like okay, yes,

892
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 14: I mean a.

893
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: Lot of words for me to say it.

894
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: But it was really fun.

895
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 14: You've crushed it.

896
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: I thought that was great.

897
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 14: It was really cool.

898
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the piano?

899
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 14: What is this?

900
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 8: What is this?

901
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: This is the Steinway and Sons. Oh my goodness, it's

902
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: from the twenties, well, the nineteen twenties.

903
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 14: How are you on piano geekery?

904
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm not very geeky, that's cool.

905
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: I do play a Yamaha.

906
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 14: On stage, and that's a you're going out with strings,

907
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 14: you're not going out with like a digital situation.

908
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: No. I tried to go digital this year because I

909
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: was last time I went out. I was convinced that

910
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: it kept going out of tude and it started to

911
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: driving me a little wonkers because usually I don't really care.

912
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 14: But is your ear for that? It's just insane?

913
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't usually care.

914
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: Depending on the song, okay, you know, like if it's

915
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: a country song, I don't care. That's it's a gospel song.

916
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: It can be a little wonky and it sounds good.

917
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 14: Yeah good, Yeah.

918
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certain songs.

919
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: You know, I come away with me.

920
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: I do this thing where I go I go like,

921
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm copying Duke Ellington.

922
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: But perfect it didn't sound good attitude.

923
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 10: It's my point.

924
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 14: It's interesting, though, like, yeah, there is, Isn't it wonderful

925
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 14: when you sort of go back through live records from

926
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 14: past and like you you hear somebody caught in a

927
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 14: moment that you know they're trying to make so beautiful

928
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 14: and it's and it's out. But that's like, there's this record.

929
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 14: It doesn't matter if you heard Joe Cocker and the

930
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 14: Mad Dogs and Englishman totally right, like wow yeah for

931
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 14: a start, and then it's them doing it's him and

932
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 14: the on Russell doing Girl from the North Country. Oh

933
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 14: wow yeah, and like the piano is beautifully kind of

934
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 14: honky tonk, like yeah, and Leon and they've just got

935
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 14: he's got a very particular voice. And then Joe Kokov

936
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 14: reaches for some sort of falsetto detail that's not really

937
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 14: available to him, and where he kind of Matt knows

938
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 14: all about it, where he kind of winds up at

939
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 14: is I don't know, somehow magical.

940
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: Is it your favorite part of the whole thing?

941
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is?

942
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 14: And this supports any of your concerns about our tune

943
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 14: this ultimately you kind of end up going there. People

944
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 14: love it. I mean, I don't know, And then you know, I.

945
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: Don't really care if it's attitude is it really? But

946
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: I feel like they've done so good with digital lately

947
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: that I thought maybe they would have a cool, old

948
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: funky piano sound. Digitally that would sound better than my

949
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: pick up on the piano, because you know how it

950
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: is with the pickup on acoustic. It's just so much

951
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: better with a microphone. But my band sort of entertained me,

952
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: my crew entertained me, and then we went back to normal. Okay. Yeah,

953
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: we did wrap it in white though this year, which

954
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: was hilarious. I never thought I would want that, but

955
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: it had like a visual aesthetic for my new album

956
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: that I really wanted.

957
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 14: So it's great.

958
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: It works.

959
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 14: That's very cool. The same kind of question about tell

960
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 14: me about when you play live, how much you're playing guitar,

961
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 14: how much way you're playing guitar is often or sometimes

962
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 14: usually I.

963
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: Throw it in the middle of the set and I'll

964
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: do like three songs minimum, but five songs maximum.

965
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 14: And is that some of the band?

966
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: Some of that all with the band?

967
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 14: And now I'm going to jump to the thing we're

968
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 14: just touching on. But with guitar tuning, do you sort

969
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 14: of wig out about like grtuning?

970
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 9: No?

971
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: Do you not?

972
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 14: Really?

973
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

974
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 14: For me, I don't know about you, But like so

975
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 14: I use any.

976
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: Monitors, we use wedges. I've tried in New Years, but

977
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: it's tricky.

978
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 14: It's very tricky.

979
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: I get it.

980
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 14: It's ultimately better for me, but it's still so tricky.

981
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: And then do you sing harder without them?

982
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 14: This is the thing that I do think happens, and

983
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 14: the in ears have helped me with because I mean

984
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 14: that the sciences. If you sing harder, you're going to

985
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 14: go sharp is what people say.

986
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you don't Well I think I probably do

987
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: those people, but.

988
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 14: I from tuning of a guitar to in monitors or not,

989
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 14: they can be a struggle. But for me, so like

990
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 14: band members around me, and like no shade to the

991
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 14: band members, like they are trying to dial in their

992
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 14: in ears in a way that I stop caring. I

993
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 14: don't know if I have the space and time to

994
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 14: care now about your ears, about the quality of the mix.

995
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 14: My engineer is doing a fantastic job. That's the best

996
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 14: place to be, but I just I've got too much

997
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 14: of a show to do.

998
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: That's where you have to be, and that's where I

999
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: fear that in ears will take everybody out of that

1000
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: moment and into their ears and their mix and how

1001
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: That's how it was for me fifteen years ago when.

1002
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 14: I tried them, I'm doing the sort of cardinal sin

1003
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 14: of like pulling one ear out slightly.

1004
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, why is that because it's bad for your hearing?

1005
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 14: Well, yes, someone's going to tell me I'm going to

1006
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 14: get TuS in this ear and the other area is

1007
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 14: going to be a right, it's going to be all off.

1008
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: Balance some versions.

1009
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: But I feel like earbuds give me.

1010
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 11: That.

1011
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 14: Well, I saying very you say tonight?

1012
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: Is I do? But I'm not probably right.

1013
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 5: I think I wrong.

1014
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 14: I have no idea. I heard people from both sides

1015
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 14: of the pond.

1016
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: Earbuds give me that anyway?

1017
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, fair you mean like AirPods or whatever. Yeah,

1018
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 14: I'm what Yeah, of course I use just over ear

1019
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 14: stuff if I if I can for that. But so

1020
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 14: my thing is that even though I reckon I do sing,

1021
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 14: I feel more confident sing better within its because I

1022
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 14: kind of get used to them and like worked hard

1023
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 14: to sort of make them work for me. I still

1024
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 14: want that thing that you're getting where you can just

1025
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 14: hear everybody on stage. I guess we make a lot

1026
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 14: of always for good two thirds of the set, and

1027
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 14: you've got a much louder band. I bet, Yeah, And

1028
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 14: I'm not far away from the symbols. It's rare that,

1029
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 14: like we're on a big enough stage that I can

1030
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 14: be and I don't even want to be that far away.

1031
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like my band super tight.

1032
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 14: I don't want a huge footprint. I want to feel

1033
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 14: I don't want to feel like Tom on his basis

1034
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 14: the next people do that. I don't either.

1035
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: That feels so wrong to me, especially when you go

1036
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: to a TV show and they have you' all spread out.

1037
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: It's like, how are we going to play together? And

1038
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: with that in mind, we're in different.

1039
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 14: Countries, absolutely, and with that in mind, I even think

1040
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 14: it looks cooler when people are on top of each

1041
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 14: other on a TV show.

1042
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: They don't Yeah, they don't get it, you know.

1043
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 14: Like whether it's like a recent like Jules Harland thing

1044
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 14: or like old Gray Whistle test or whatever like or

1045
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 14: I don't know, even Saturday Night Live. It's kind of

1046
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 14: a small plot, yeah, isn't it? For Like, you can't

1047
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 14: be that far away from each other. It's better that

1048
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 14: way I was watching. This is massively tenuous, but there's

1049
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 14: fiftieth anniversary of a Saturday Night Live, so I was

1050
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 14: obsessed with all these documentaries and stuff and all of

1051
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 14: them obviously the musical guests, and you'll see some absolute

1052
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 14: giants on there, and they're just they're really on top

1053
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 14: of each other with Yeah, it feels just innately musical. Yeah,

1054
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 14: I kind of love it.

1055
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question for you.

1056
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 14: Okay, I'm ready.

1057
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: I did prepare questions, I swear.

1058
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 14: So can you tell I just can just go on

1059
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 14: and I will tell you all about it, James, it

1060
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 14: never shuts out.

1061
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: No, it's great.

1062
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't have to do anything. How where's the sort

1063
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: of country vibes come from you? What did you grow

1064
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: up listening to?

1065
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 14: Oh, thank you good, good question?

1066
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you grew up in England, but very much

1067
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 2: in London.

1068
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 14: Not in London. I grew up in the kind of

1069
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 14: commuter belt outside of London, the sort of suburbs, kind

1070
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 14: of the middle of the country, very kind of suburban,

1071
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 14: middle of the road suburban.

1072
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: Not country like English countries.

1073
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 14: No, not countryside. No, I mean, in a way, it's

1074
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 14: a small country and you're never too far away from

1075
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 14: that kind of thing. But that's not where my town

1076
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 14: there's thirty thousand people, so not not massive, and there's

1077
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 14: it's it's a it's a busy, sort of market town,

1078
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 14: town center sort of thing with like you know, we

1079
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 14: call them like high streets and stuff, and I don't

1080
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 14: know around that it's like fields and things. But yeah,

1081
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 14: it was pretty kind of run of the mill. With

1082
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 14: all love and respect to my hometown, that was the experience,

1083
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 14: and that was kind of great for a kid, like

1084
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 14: growing up felt pretty safe. But the sort of the

1085
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 14: kind of country influence that I think you're talking about,

1086
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 14: I think all kinds of different American and Americana type sounds.

1087
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 14: Me and my brother Alex is only eighteen months older

1088
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 14: than me, and we grew up very close. He was

1089
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 14: the lead singer in all that bands and I was

1090
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 14: a guitar player, and we wrote a lot of stuff together.

1091
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 14: The material was respectfully sort of awful, but like also

1092
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 14: I'm very proud of it to this day because it

1093
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 14: was our first ever anything. I feel bad it wasn't awful,

1094
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 14: but it really worked for us.

1095
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: Of course, you got to learn somewhere, yeah, of course

1096
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: you do.

1097
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 14: But we were listening to My parents aren't musicians, but

1098
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 14: they had the radio playing in the house all the time,

1099
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 14: and they had a record collection that sort of evolved

1100
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 14: from vinyls to CDs over time.

1101
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 12: And.

1102
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 14: There was a lot of like American music in there.

1103
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 14: You know, me and my brother we liked sort of

1104
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 14: Hollywood movies and I think Americana as a thing pop

1105
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 14: culture wise, Like we were just really sort of turned

1106
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 14: on by it, and it was very natural and normal,

1107
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 14: and you know, music, pop music and film was a

1108
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 14: large percentage American in our minds. There was There's loads

1109
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 14: of great British music, and I'm inspired by so much

1110
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 14: of that, but I think my favorite British music has

1111
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 14: probably been inspired by American music, and the same the

1112
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 14: other way around.

1113
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's such a history now of that having

1114
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: been the thing.

1115
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 14: That's true. I suppose country is pretty sort of intensely

1116
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 14: American originally. Some of my.

1117
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: Favorite Americans sounding bit I mean the stance of course.

1118
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 14: Of course they did when they just like let It Bleed.

1119
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 14: They've got some songs like that really really sound country

1120
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 14: and sound great for that. There was days when Mick

1121
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 14: Jagger really sounded like a country singer. I mean, yes,

1122
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 14: and I love all of it basically, you know, I

1123
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 14: still just sort of soak it up and I find

1124
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 14: it's very natural to sing with that kind of influence.

1125
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 14: I try and have a sort of individual voice, a

1126
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 14: unique voice. I'm not really trying to do an impression

1127
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 14: of anybody, but I.

1128
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: Think it only works. I don't think neither was he.

1129
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, I never got that sense.

1130
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you on that, and like, yeah,

1131
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 14: so I think I just love the sounds, and you

1132
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 14: replicate in falling short of like being your heroes, because

1133
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 14: that's impossible, you wind up as this unique thing that

1134
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 14: is you. And I like, well, that's that's why I

1135
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 14: sound the way I sound, because just a load of

1136
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 14: American music has and still is playing an enormous part

1137
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 14: in why I like doing this simple as that.

1138
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: Really, what was your first spam with your brother called

1139
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: the jet Kings the jet Kid I'll tell you why.

1140
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: That's very cute.

1141
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's not so bad. I feel right about that

1142
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 14: one we were trying to think of and I can't remember.

1143
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 14: I wish I could remember the terrible names that we

1144
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 14: that we didn't go with, but then we just one

1145
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 14: of the guys in the band I had a guitar.

1146
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 14: It was an Ibanez guitar, and it was called an

1147
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 14: Ibanez Jet King too, and we saw the words jet King.

1148
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: Hey, that'll do that just made it even cooler.

1149
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 14: We could be the jet Kings. So we were that,

1150
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 14: and then later on we were road Runner, which I

1151
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 14: didn't hate either, to be honest, but Roadrunners, and there's

1152
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 14: probably a billion bands called brod Runner. We were listening to.

1153
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 14: This is interesting where we got that from a very

1154
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 14: Transatlantic band, Humble Pie. Steve Marriott was their lead singer

1155
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 14: who was an English guy. They were English band, but

1156
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 14: boy were they influenced by and they did a song

1157
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 14: called road Runner which we loved. And I can't remember

1158
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 14: if that was a Ray Charles cover. It might not

1159
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 14: have been. They did something else that was a Ray

1160
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 14: Chile's cover. Anyway, we took a band name. I mean

1161
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 14: it's not the first time. Sorry, we took a song

1162
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 14: name and we made it the band name.

1163
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: And you both played guitar or.

1164
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 14: It was funny, you know me, so I played. I

1165
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 14: wanted to learn to play the guitar. I heard Layla

1166
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 14: by Derek and the Dominoes or Eric Clapton when I

1167
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 14: was eleven and I sat of my dad was playing.

1168
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 14: It wasn't often that they would play records my parents.

1169
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 14: They would have the radio on. But one Saturday morning

1170
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 14: he put this record on and I heard it from

1171
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 14: the top of the stairs. I ran downstairs. I said,

1172
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 14: what is this? He said, this is Layla? I said,

1173
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 14: what is Lailor?

1174
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: That's adorable?

1175
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 14: My dad. My dad's in his late seventies now, so

1176
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 14: he was really there in the sixties when like guitar

1177
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 14: music was kind of going off in London and in

1178
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 14: the UK and in the world. And he said, well,

1179
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 14: this is Eric Clapton. He was in cream all this information.

1180
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 14: I didn't know anything.

1181
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 10: About it, and he knew all.

1182
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 14: He kind of did like and he'd been to see

1183
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 14: all those guys in the sixties. He was there in

1184
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 14: a lot of those shows. And he said, well, the

1185
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 14: song finished, and I said play again, play again. I

1186
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 14: listened to it a second time and then I took

1187
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 14: the CD out the CD player and I took it

1188
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 14: upstairs and he never saw it again. But in the meantime,

1189
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 14: I said, I have to learn how to make that sound.

1190
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 14: How can you know I need a guitar. And we

1191
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 14: found out he had a nylon string classical guitar in

1192
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 14: the cupboard that he'd never learned to play.

1193
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: That's so great, So I.

1194
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 14: Learned to play that. I became deeply obsessed my brother

1195
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 14: because we were so close in age and as friends,

1196
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 14: you know, we were always trying to do the same thing. Really,

1197
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 14: there was a sort of probably a competitiveness as well

1198
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 14: as just a sort of bonding. But he didn't want

1199
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 14: to play. Initially, he was good and Tom who I

1200
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 14: talked about, who's still in my band and is I've

1201
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 14: known Tom since I was three years old. Tom was,

1202
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 14: you know, we were at school together, and he was like, yeah,

1203
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 14: I've heard guitar music too, and I've heard like the Redult,

1204
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 14: Chili Peppers and Dire Straits and like Pink Floyd.

1205
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: Everybody came in with their own.

1206
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 14: Everybody came in their own, and so Tom was the

1207
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 14: other guitar player in our little trio, and so I

1208
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 14: kind of didn't need to. But you know, not long

1209
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 14: after he would sort of and he did it in

1210
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 14: a sort of slightly sort of kind of shy way.

1211
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 14: He didn't want us to sort of gore's how you

1212
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 14: do this, this and this. Maybe he'd watched us do

1213
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 14: a lot of it by ear, so he was trying

1214
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 14: to watch us. And then my brother, to this day

1215
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 14: is a great guitar player. He can he can play guitar.

1216
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 14: Are he's less of like a lead guy, but he

1217
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 14: can do it, and he's he's worked it all out

1218
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 14: in his own and he still sings and writes and

1219
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 14: plays as well. But yeah, no, it was he was.

1220
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 14: He was the lead guy. He was the front man.

1221
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 14: He was really like going after like a Mick Jagger,

1222
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 14: Rod Stewart, Chris Robinson, like hybrid. And we were trying

1223
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 14: to be the Black Crows and the faces of the

1224
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 14: Rolling Stones, and you'd sing. I did a little back

1225
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 14: in singing, but and I got I got, you know,

1226
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 14: I was sort of shy about it, but I got

1227
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 14: some a couple of nice compliments about my singing. And

1228
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 14: then one day I really sort of discovered people like

1229
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 14: James Taylor, and I kind of dug deeper on Carol

1230
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 14: King and Joni Mitchell and these individuals with songs sort

1231
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 14: of you know, from the first person, classic like unbelievable songs,

1232
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 14: and I thought, maybe I can just do something on

1233
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 14: my own as well.

1234
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1235
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 14: Eric Clapton was always a big deal for me, and

1236
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 14: at the time, you know, there was people like a

1237
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 14: Dale coming through real La Montaigne was just a giant

1238
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 14: influence for me. So I was trying to copy all

1239
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 14: those guys and sort of step sort of step one

1240
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 14: foot out of the band life and one foot into

1241
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 14: the sort of solo experience. John Mayer was like a

1242
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 14: big thing back then, yourself, you know, like I was

1243
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 14: hearing all this music from these great, huge like solo

1244
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 14: artists who yeah, just sort of soaring through like radio

1245
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 14: and music and showing kids once again that you can

1246
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 14: you can try it, you know on your own.

1247
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Crazy so but and it keeps goingcling.

1248
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, America was always a huge player for me in

1249
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 14: inc in my record collection. You know, stuff coming out

1250
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 14: of America still is. So it's very normal to me.

1251
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 14: And I know guys from the UK who don't get

1252
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 14: it in the same way, and that's so okay.

1253
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: If they just didn't grow up with it, no, you know.

1254
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 14: Yeah, and that's that's that's all right. And you know

1255
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 14: there's American folks who of course are just super kind

1256
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 14: of American in their in their musical existence and sort

1257
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 14: of they maybe have heard of Oasis or like they've

1258
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 14: you know, some sort of UK giant. I don't know.

1259
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 14: I just love it. I love I love It's a

1260
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 14: bit too broad to say like this, but it's certainly

1261
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 14: been said before.

1262
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: The American sound, I mean, at this point, I feel

1263
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: like it's all mashed together a little.

1264
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: But I didn't know you were British.

1265
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 14: That's okay.

1266
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: I have known of you for a long time and

1267
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know you were British.

1268
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 14: That's one of the first times I ever went to

1269
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 14: tour in America. I was opening for somebody around the

1270
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 14: whole country for about six weeks, and I played my

1271
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 14: little home set and then I went too by the

1272
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 14: merch stand in Boston in the Paradise Rock Club in Boston,

1273
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 14: and this old fellow came up to me with this

1274
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 14: fantastic Boston accent and he said, I thought you were

1275
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 14: a Boston local. And I was sat there with my

1276
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 14: little clipt English accent, say no, I've come over from

1277
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 14: you know, England.

1278
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Sweet.

1279
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's fascinating that it is fascinating. I guess the

1280
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 14: music unites and mattering where you're from. But yeah, funny,

1281
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 14: how goes?

1282
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: Do you want to do a song from your first album?

1283
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 14: Yeah? That would be cool?

1284
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 5: Is that cool?

1285
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 14: That would be great?

1286
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: All right?

1287
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: This is let It Go.

1288
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: I love this song.

1289
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 14: Thank you. Let's see how we go. I have no

1290
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 14: idea how to how fast the song should be. I

1291
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 14: just count eat two three.

1292
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 10: Mm hmm.

1293
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: From walking home and talking to those to see you,

1294
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 5: and shops in evening close with you, from overst get

1295
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: in drug to stay in and working.

1296
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 10: There with you.

1297
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 5: I was sleeping in the age holding Sunday.

1298
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 10: We don't need. I understood the using in our hands.

1299
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 5: It's gonna brings to our knees, So come on.

1300
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 10: There it go to stay it be? Why don't you be?

1301
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 9: And ill mean?

1302
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 5: Everything that's brow leave it to de beas?

1303
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 10: Why don't you be?

1304
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 7: I'll be mean, and I'll be mean, long clowns across

1305
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 7: the floor, teeth and claws and slamming doors.

1306
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: You if this is all we live in fall?

1307
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 10: Why are we doing doing? Do any more?

1308
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 5: I used to recognize myself.

1309
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 10: It's funny how inflections change.

1310
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 8: We're becoming something else.

1311
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: I think it's time to walk away, So come.

1312
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 10: On, gold, just let it.

1313
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 5: Why don't you be?

1314
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 7: And I'm with me? Everything that's broke, leave it to

1315
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 7: the be.

1316
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 10: Why don't you be?

1317
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 11: And how me.

1318
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 10: And all at me?

1319
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 12: Trying to get your hand inside of my forman know

1320
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 12: it tells down belong, there's no force on earth to

1321
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 12: make it feel right. No, trying to push this problem

1322
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 12: up to him when he says to head it on,

1323
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 12: I think most time lair.

1324
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 5: So come on, head go, just let it be. Why

1325
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 5: don't you be?

1326
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 10: You know, I'll be me and everything that's brow Leave

1327
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 10: it to the breath, let the ashes fall.

1328
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 5: Forget about me. Come on, let it go, just let be?

1329
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 10: Why don't you be?

1330
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: You?

1331
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 10: Ah? May?

1332
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: And I.

1333
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: Did you always have a voice? Could you always just

1334
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: say no?

1335
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: Really, it's a big no.

1336
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: It sounds like you have a very natural voice.

1337
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate.

1338
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 14: That's the kind of the greatest compliment ever, definitely from you.

1339
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 14: But no, I recognize that I work hard. Two. I

1340
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 14: worked hard, definitely to sort of get it to feel effort.

1341
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 14: It's like for a long time, I guess I was

1342
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 14: a teenager and my voice dropped and all that stuff.

1343
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 14: Couldn't do falsetto for nothing.

1344
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: Oh really, you sure can.

1345
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 13: Well.

1346
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 14: I appreciate that I enjoyed sort of getting it to work.

1347
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 14: My brother could just do it, but yeah, I was

1348
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 14: just I come from a sort of loud, sort of

1349
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 14: shouty family. Oh yeah, so we've got like we've got

1350
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 14: core strength to project and I had that vocally. But yeah, no,

1351
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 14: I don't know. I sort of enjoyed just doing it

1352
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 14: a lot. You know, playing in pubs and bars, you

1353
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 14: just sort of get something down the mic. Yeah, and

1354
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 14: people are fine.

1355
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: I think that's the best way to get good and

1356
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: you refine it later.

1357
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, But no, I appreciate you saying that

1358
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 14: a lot.

1359
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, well, thanks so much for doing this.

1360
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 14: It's an absolute dream.

1361
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1362
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a big show to note, so I

1363
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: don't want to keep you.

1364
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 14: No, not at all. No, I just say thank you

1365
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 14: for this is a beautiful studio. We're in a big,

1366
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 14: busy city and this is a very peaceful, little quiet

1367
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 14: corner and that's what a thing to have.

1368
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: It's fun and what a place to come to. So

1369
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: thank you for having me.

1370
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: You're in London, Yes, okay, I'll look you up, please do.

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1372
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: Before we do our last song, can you tell me

1373
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: about your guitar?

1374
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1375
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 14: This is yeah, this is This is a Gibson J

1376
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 14: two hundred. It's it's the Gibbson acoustic guitar, or one

1377
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 14: of the acoustic guitars with the biggest body now all

1378
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 14: of my reason behind playing this jumbo instrument is from

1379
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 14: my days not just playing open mic nights, but busking.

1380
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 14: I used to stand in the busk all the time.

1381
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 14: I lived in Brighton on the south coast of the

1382
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 14: UK for a couple of years, and I would busk

1383
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 14: for change, but really not for change. I would just

1384
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 14: do it to play more, to play in front of

1385
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 14: more people. I was always my favorite thing. You know

1386
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 14: how they talk about you know, takes kind of ten

1387
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 14: thousand hours or whatever to really kind of harness an

1388
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 14: instrument or a way of sort of forming or whatever

1389
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 14: or way of doing something. I got a lot of

1390
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 14: those ten thousand hours when I was playing up open

1391
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 14: mic nights and busking in the street.

1392
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: Best way to do it.

1393
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, And like I've I tune all my guitars really

1394
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 14: just live at like D standard instead of E standards,

1395
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 14: so they'll drop down a whole step. It works better

1396
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 14: for me that way. I've got heavier strings which are

1397
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 14: a bit louder marginally. And then the big jumbo body

1398
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 14: guitar made a bit more noise and kind of basy

1399
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 14: noise when I was busking because I wasn't plugged in

1400
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 14: in the Street, I was unplugged, So it all comes

1401
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 14: from that time and it's what I became familiar and

1402
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 14: comfortable with. And I also, as a tall guy, I

1403
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 14: look pretty in proportion with a big guitar.

1404
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: It looks smartness.

1405
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 14: I'm not like a super giant, but like you know,

1406
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 14: like other ones, I've just got used to sort of

1407
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 14: I guess seeing myself with this guitar, but like I

1408
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 14: like how kind of noisy it can be, and I

1409
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 14: can do sort of intimate stuff on it, but you know,

1410
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 14: even like let it go, but the sort of dynamic range.

1411
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 14: Really it's because this this one isn't an old one.

1412
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 14: I have a few defer Gibsons that are like super

1413
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 14: old and they're not all J two hundreds. But Gibson

1414
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 14: make great for touring, Like they make great stuff for

1415
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 14: taking out on the road. That sort of still feels

1416
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 14: like it sort of breathes and shakes and vibrates in

1417
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 14: the way that you want that sort of wooden instrument

1418
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 14: to do.

1419
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: Sounds great.

1420
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 14: Thank you. Yeah, that's this is I've had this for

1421
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 14: nearly ten years, and I've got a second one that

1422
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 14: I've had the same kind of time. Nice they're still

1423
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 14: serving the purpose.

1424
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: It seems Warren well worn.

1425
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 14: Thank you. Yeah, so we're gonna have a swing a.

1426
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this song the Eagles. Do you do

1427
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: this one live on my own?

1428
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 14: Yeah? I haven't done it with the band. Look here,

1429
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 14: I'm going to use your guitar. I just talked my

1430
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 14: guitar up all big and use mine.

1431
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: Tell me about it. Tell me about my guitar.

1432
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 14: How do you feel about the Eagles?

1433
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: I like the Eagles. I'm not like a super knowledgeable fan,

1434
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: but I feel.

1435
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: Like they get a bad rap.

1436
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: I felt in America and people like to not like

1437
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: people who have sold a bazillion albums. That's my whole

1438
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: uh analysis of that. Same with Fleetwood Mac.

1439
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 14: I feel like it's wild to me that it's fine

1440
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 14: if they want to fill about I just think the

1441
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 14: music is great.

1442
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: The music is great, and because it became so successful,

1443
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: some people I feel like just kind of be like, yeah,

1444
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't really get it.

1445
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: But I think if it wasn't successful.

1446
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: That they either wouldn't have an opinion like that or

1447
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: they would like it's.

1448
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: Just kind of what I think.

1449
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 14: I think.

1450
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: I think that's one thing I think.

1451
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 14: But like this is we're gonna have fun, fun dusking.

1452
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: I like this one.

1453
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 14: I think if we can, Yeah.

1454
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 18: Loosen my old like a sep living all time for

1455
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 18: the boneable meets you. The bonuston me. She's a friend

1456
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 18: of mine.

1457
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 5: Take it.

1458
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 10: Easy, tike itzy. Don't have to sound in your.

1459
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 5: Strive.

1460
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 7: You crazy.

1461
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 10: Laying it up while you still can't.

1462
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 5: Don't even try umberst it.

1463
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 10: Just find a place to make your stand. Take it easy.

1464
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 6: Oh, I was standing on a corn and winslaris on us.

1465
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 6: Such a fine side to see.

1466
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 5: It's a girl man lord.

1467
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 10: And a flat bed floor and so down and see

1468
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 10: could look me.

1469
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 15: Come on, man, don't say maby.

1470
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 6: I gotta know if you sweezer, he's gonna save me.

1471
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 15: We will we may, man, but we will never be

1472
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 15: here again. Open the I'm find it in sack.

1473
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 14: It is.

1474
01:10:31,160 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 4: Easy while I'm noting down, Gorda. Listen, mother, the world

1475
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 4: the trouble on my man looking for love bombom my cover.

1476
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 4: She's so hard to find.

1477
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: Take it.

1478
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 5: Take it.

1479
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 10: Easy, don't then the.

1480
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 6: Sound always make you crazy.

1481
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 9: Come on, man, don't say manby.

1482
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 16: I gotta do. If you're a swee love, it's going

1483
01:11:51,640 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 16: to say, dude, you gotta take it.

1484
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 5: You gotta take it, you gotta take it. That that

1485
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 5: was great.

1486
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 14: I enjoyed it.

1487
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. Have a great show.

1488
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving all your time. Oh that was great.

1489
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: He's so nice. I love a beautiful voice.

1490
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful voice. That was really very fun.

1491
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: And I love meeting people.

1492
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 2: It's so special. I am lucky.

1493
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: I feel lucky doing this new friends every week. Yeah,

1494
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: it's really been special. I feel like for me anyway,

1495
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cry. Thanks for listening to this episode

1496
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: with James Bay.

1497
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: If you want to know the songs from this episode,

1498
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: here they are.

1499
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: The first song was speed Limit from Changes All the

1500
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: Time when released in twenty twenty four. Second song was

1501
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: the Elephant from the same album. Third song was let

1502
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: It Go from Chaos and the Calm, which was released

1503
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, ten years ago. Fourth song was Take

1504
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: It Easy, which is the Eagle song and it's on

1505
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: their self titled album that was released in nineteen seventy two.

1506
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: Special thanks to James Bay for joining us today. Nora

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: Jones Is Playing Along is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm your host Nora Jones. Visit Nora Jones Channel and

1509
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: be sure to subscribe while you're there. This episode was

1510
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry. Audio post

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01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: production and mastering by Greg Tobler. Work by Eliza Frye,

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01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: Photography by Shervin Linez. Produced by Nora Jones and Sarah Oda.

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: Executive producers Aaron wan Kaufman and Jordan Rundagg Marketing Lead

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Speaker 1: Queen and Nake