1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Welcomed. It happens sometimes the podcast where it's happened. Shit, Um, Garrison, Chris, somebody, somebody, 2 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: somebody picked this up. This is on you. Anybody anybody 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: got help paying you out of this one? Okay, Well, 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: you know what podcasts this is. You've been listening, presumably 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: for months, or this is your first time listening. If so, 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: I've probably lost you already with that Bush League introduction. 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Um, I'm Robert Evans. This is a show 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: about how things fall apart and how to maybe stop 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: them from falling apart as much. And today we're talking 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: to some people who were in kind of the best 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: case scenario situation for having a bunch of authoritarians try 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: to uh dominate your country, by which I mean we're 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: talking to some Chilean activists who who who won um, 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: And as much as it's it's possible to win in 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: the world, UM, it's a pretty exciting situation. UM, happening there. 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm excited to introduce people to like what's been going on. 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: But first I want to introduce our guests for today. UM, 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: y'all wanna you'll wanna say hello hello. My name is 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: Jeremiah I'm from the United States. I've lived in Chile 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: for the last ten years, and I'm Stephanie Ahead. I'm 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: a Chillian and I'm leaving here with with my my husband. Hi. 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm Nicholas. I'm too and I have been living here 23 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: for my whole life. Yeah. So we started a small 24 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: group called Nitos to do some activism to try to 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: get out to vote for the Pleglcito, to try to 26 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: UH last year to get the constitution approved to be 27 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: voted on, and and it successful. So we are proud 28 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: of the small bit of work that we did to 29 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: help that happen. And so today the constitution is being 30 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: written and it's a very exciting time. Yeah. And I 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: want to let's pull back a little bit because the 32 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: last time we we talked about UM Chile on behind 33 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: the Bastards in two thousand nineteen, when UM a protest 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: that started as some i think it's fair to say 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: zoomers protesting a fair increase by like jumping fares at 36 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the at the underground the subway. UM was met with 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: police doing police stuff, which was met with people taking 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: to the streets and very significant numbers, which is the 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: thing that by now a lot more people are experienced with. 40 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: But unlike kind of what happened in my country, you 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: did it. You made him blink, and and that's what 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: the plebiscite is, right, like the there was an agreement 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: made to give because Chile was still, if I'm not mistaken, 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: governed under the same constitution that that Pinochet had had, right. Um, 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: and Pinochet famously not a great guy. UM, So I 46 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: wonder if you might give us kind of an overview 47 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: of y'all's experience during that time, from like the start 48 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: of the protests to oh ship we might actually get 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: to change things at a pretty fundamental level in our country. UM. Yeah. 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: So it was incredible time, about exactly two years ago. 51 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: So just the of October was just a two year anniversary. 52 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: And um, as you said, it all started with um 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: literal high schoolers, sixteen year olds who are protesting a 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: thirty paso increase, which is, you know, like increase in 55 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: the metro. But we of course have one of the 56 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: most expensive metros in the world and a very low, 57 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: um uh minimum wage here. And so as you said, 58 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: they went out there and started to jump the turnstiles, 59 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: but in massive groups, hundreds of them going to the 60 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: metro together and all jumping together, and in response, the 61 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: government ended up closing the metros. And so it was 62 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: this Friday night, UM, and we were having dinner and 63 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: UH suddenly the metros were all closed and everyone had 64 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: to just walk home from work or dinner or where 65 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: they were. And that was kind of the beginning of everything. 66 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: And it was almost like the government brought it on themselves, 67 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: because suddenly there were thousands of people in the streets 68 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: just because they had no other way to get home. 69 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: And from there, UH, they there were protests, and the 70 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: protests were met with extreme police oppression and water cannons 71 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: and tear gas and all of that, and UM. Eventually 72 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: it led to one March, which had over a million 73 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: people throughout Chile marching, and UM a series of marches 74 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: and protests basically every week for months. UM and finally 75 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: UH it came down to UH. They announced that there 76 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: would be this Plebilist site and it was a vote 77 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: yes or no to create a new constitution, because yes, 78 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: Chile is still There were some reforms in the early 79 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: two thousands to the constitution, but UM still we live 80 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: under the constitution written by Jaime Gustman UM kind of 81 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, CH's right hand man, and we happen to live. 82 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: Nico is our good friend and also our next door neighbor, 83 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: and we live about four blocks from the Plaza Um 84 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: formerly Plaza Italia. Now the protesters have deemed it Plaza Dignidad, 85 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: and so we've been just in the middle of it 86 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: and for or for a couple of months are our 87 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: whole neighborhood was like a war zone and uh, just 88 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: really crazy protests every single day and and tear gas 89 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: and all of that, and it was it was really 90 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: intense for a while, and uh it still is. You know. 91 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: Um last Friday, uh we you know, were met with 92 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: tear gas and water cannons again. So it's it's it's 93 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: even though the kind the constitution is being written again 94 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: and the pledgliscite was a year ago, but the police 95 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: are still out there being bastards. Yeah, I'm curious what 96 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: each of you kind of sees as the moment when 97 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: or if you because maybe I was going too optimistic, 98 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: right like I guess I'm wondering, do you think that 99 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: a corner has been turned and and if so, what 100 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: was kind of the moment each of you felt like, 101 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: oh my God, we might Actually, this isn't just gonna 102 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: be like showing up to get the ship kicked out 103 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: of us. We're going to get somewhat least of what 104 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: we're fighting for. Wait technically, yeah, I mean I think 105 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: that like that particular moment was when we finally went 106 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: to the elections to who you call the referendum for 107 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: the for this new constitution, and we were kind of 108 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: skeptic about the the percentage of people who approved this 109 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: new constitution because a few months ago or a few 110 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: weeks before this referendum, we have like continuing quests polls. 111 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: We had the polls and they were kind of fifty. 112 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: So we're kind of skeptic about are we gonna have 113 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: a new constitution or not. And that the same night, 114 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the process very quick, so after I know, 115 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: the this thing close at six pm and then you 116 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: have the results like three hours later. So on the 117 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: same day we're having the the results on it was 118 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: like eighty I guess twenty, So it was like kind 119 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: of shocking. I mean, we I think that nobody was 120 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: expecting to have this kind of percent of the people 121 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: until they were I went to throw to the being 122 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: the you know, tech Constitution, So it was kind of like, 123 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: I don't know out say that the best moment. Yeah, 124 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: there's this. There's an American, a deceased American UM sociologist 125 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: who who wrote an essay that I find quite influential 126 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: called The Shock of Victory, and it's about how activists 127 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: often failed to take advantage of of their momentum, like 128 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: because they're kind of surprised at the success early on, 129 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: and then they don't properly take advantage of what they 130 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: have when they have it, and and you know, progress 131 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: gets turned back, which I think we've seen happen in 132 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: the United States in the wake of of what happened 133 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: here last summer. Why do you think that that hasn't 134 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: happened in Chile? What do think it is that that 135 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: that enabled um, you you all to actually keep the 136 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: pressure on and and take advantage of that that moment 137 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: in time, which which never I guess that's what I'm 138 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: impressed with the most, is that you you' all did 139 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: manage to to make that momentum work for you rather 140 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: than kind of letting it pull you off balance. And 141 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just trying to get a handle on 142 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: on how UM I guess for me, what I think 143 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: it's lost a lot in the conversation is UM the 144 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: premier linear, so the first line of defense. And so 145 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: you have UM a bunch of young people, anarchists, you know, 146 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: just crazy young people who went out there to fight 147 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: with the cops every single day, and it was really 148 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: impressive and a lot of times we uh, I don't know, 149 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: I feel like they don't get the credit they deserve 150 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: because you know, they're the delnents and that you know, 151 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the big march is when 152 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,119 Speaker 1: there was a million people in the street and and obviously, 153 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: like Nico said, winning the vote by scent showed that 154 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: it was something that everyone in Chile wanted. But it 155 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: never would have happened if it weren't for the this 156 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: small group of of fighters who were there every single day, 157 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: facing tear gas and water cannons and police beating them 158 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: up with you know, throwing rocks and stuff like that. 159 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's the main thing. It wasn't like 160 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: once a month or even once a week, it was 161 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: every single day and they were there on the front line, 162 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: and it none of this would be possible without them. 163 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: That's fascinating to me because obviously things like that, groups 164 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: like that existed here, like in Portland's Win every night 165 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: for not as long, but for not an insignificant amount 166 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: of time, and it was those same It was a 167 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: lot of these kind of young anarchists front liners who 168 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: were willing to go toe to the toe with the 169 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: cops every night. But you didn't have you didn't have 170 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: that kind of larger, more moderate populace backing them up. 171 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: And I guess one of the things I'm curious about 172 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: is what was kind of the you mentioned you don't 173 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: think they get the credit they deserve. Was there a 174 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: broad attitude that, like, these people are the ones going 175 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: face to face with the cops, so that those of us, 176 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, people who are older, people who aren't and 177 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: it is going to ship people who can't physically take 178 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: as much abuse can still show up or was it? 179 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious how how those people represented what 180 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: they were doing and how it how it was seen 181 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: by most of kind of the more moderate people who 182 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: still supported change around you, because that that dynamic exists 183 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: in any mass protest movement, and I'm it worked where 184 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: you are, and I'm trying to get a handle on 185 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: maybe how it was different than what I saw in Portland. 186 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Uh so now a lot of them are in yo 187 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: and um or without one eye, so is uh it's 188 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: really terrible because else we have all these new beautiful 189 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: process but we are without really completely democracy with liberty 190 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: with the for this guy or or democracy for all 191 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: this um person that loose eyes or uh yeah and 192 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: everyone that was injured. Um So, yeah, a lot of 193 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: protests nowadays. Actually I think today right now there's a 194 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: protest going on to free the political prisoners um and uh. 195 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think they're even among you know, 196 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: obviously of the country voted for the new constitution, so 197 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different points of view there. But 198 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, there was division even among the left. A 199 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: lot of people said, you know, this is not the 200 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: form of this is not the way to protest, and 201 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: we should not be violent and you know, burning things 202 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: and um. But but there was a lot, I mean, 203 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: you saw a lot of the opposite where people were saying, 204 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: just as you said, like those out there on the 205 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: front line are the reason that the older people and 206 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: others can come out and feel safer to protest because 207 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: the primary linea is kind of taking the brunt of 208 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: the violence from the police, and that allows the older 209 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: people and those who are are less confrontational to be 210 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: out there in protests. So for me, some of some 211 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: of the most inspiring signs I remember seeing are like 212 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: folks that are eighty years old and they have signs 213 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: that say, you know, Gracia sala primary LINEA. You know, 214 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: like thank you to the front liners who who are 215 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: taking that violence so that they are ball the others 216 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: to to protest in a more peaceful way. That's such 217 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: a fascinating situation to me that you've got You've got 218 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: these these more radical frontliners who were, as you say, 219 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: critical in allowing this, this really groundbreaking change to occur 220 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: in your society. But at the same time, things haven't 221 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: changed enough that number one, the cops will beat the 222 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: ship out of them, I'm guessing are still largely employed, 223 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: um and and a bunch of them are in jail. 224 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm do you have much hope that at the very 225 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: least there will be something to like get these people 226 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: out or is it is that maybe a bridge. I 227 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know your country obviously, Well, you know, 228 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, do you feel like there's much hope 229 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: in pushing for that because it seems like, you know, 230 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: those people need to be free. Yeah. I mean most 231 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: of these guys who are in prison and they have 232 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: spent like, oh no, like twelve months in prison without 233 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: any evidence, so yeah, all the world of the cops, 234 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: I guess them. So after I know, like thirteen months 235 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: for ten months, they will finally get released because they 236 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: have they have no evidence, or they could they may 237 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: find that the police they made up all the evidence, 238 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: so they they finally go out. But I mean, you 239 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: spend like almost a year in prison, that's me. It's 240 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: clearly like political. I mean you're a political prisoner, like 241 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: they got They got you in prison with no evidence, 242 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: without any profit process. They keep you in prison for 243 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: a year, and who's gonna pay for that? I mean 244 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: you lost a year. Yeah, we're talking so far about 245 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: the sacrifices made here. What do you think with this 246 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: new constitution, you and your your your fellow Chileans, what 247 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: are you gonna get? Like? How what are the changes 248 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: that are seemed to be most concrete and the ones 249 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: that you think are most important? Um? I think already 250 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: it's been groundbreaking. I believe it's the only constitution ever 251 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: to be written by a plurality of women and and 252 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: also to have a representation from the indigenous peoples. And 253 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: uh so it's already been very um inspiring and groundbreaking. Um. 254 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: The President of the Constitutional Convention is a very inspiring 255 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: um Mapuche leader woman UM. And the good thing is 256 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: that the right um it represents less than one third 257 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: of the Constitutional Convention, so they don't have the power 258 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: to block um anything uh as far as only by 259 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: the right, so we will see. But they literally just 260 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: started writing the constitution last week. So yeah, yeah, it's 261 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: still but that's I mean, that's that's a significant Is 262 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: there a kind of a broad agreement that one of 263 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: the things that needed to happen here was a redress 264 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: of grievances between the indigenous people um and the and 265 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: the state, Because it sounds like that's a significant chunk 266 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: of what's what's been already agreed upon. Just but like 267 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: how this is coming together? Yeah, so uh well, Nicok 268 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: probably tell a lot more about this than I could. 269 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: But um, there's a big deal with the Uniteds with 270 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: the indigenous people in the South and the government um 271 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: basically waging war against the indigenous people. Actually, uh, two 272 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago Niera, the current right wing president um declared 273 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: a state of emergency in the south and he just 274 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: extended it for fifteen more days. So we have the 275 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: military and the out um and they are you know, 276 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: with the tanks and attaching attacking the the Mapuche and 277 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: other indigenous people there. And uh so yeah, a big 278 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: aspect of Chile right now is the the the fight 279 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: between and and the oppression of the government against the 280 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: native people. And and it's a cultural thing too. I 281 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: mean it's it's really heavy everyone. Most people here in 282 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: Chile are are mixed, you know, between the the natives 283 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: and and the white men and everything, and you know 284 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: the Europeans um, but the Mapuche and the other indigenous 285 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: groups have really not um received a lot of respect 286 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: in the last thirty years. And and so yeah, that's 287 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: a big aspect. Yeah. For me, it's very inspiring to 288 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: have like the pressing of this new constitution to be 289 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: uh I'm a bit woman, so um yeah, I mean 290 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: I guess that the most important thing, like the thing 291 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: that this indigenous people want to claim is their land. 292 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean land for them is the most important thing. 293 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: And that's what the government only for the last three 294 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: hundred years they have been taken from to them. Um. 295 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: They are now like trying to claim again their their 296 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: their space. So I mean, let's go that this new 297 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: constitution will bring them back their land, um, the respect 298 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: that they deserve. Now, there's been a lot of discussion 299 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: about this, this new constitution as I think the term 300 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: used as an ecological constitution, um, and it's it's the 301 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: necessity of it addressing a lot of the climate, not 302 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: just climate change, but like a lot of the things 303 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: caused by climate change, like unequal access to water. Um. 304 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: There's been discussion asio costa of of the f I 305 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: m A and GEO has has is arguing currently that 306 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: the Constitution needs to enshrine a human right to water 307 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: and recognize it as a common good. Um. It's obviously 308 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: again they're writing it this week, so it's kind of 309 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: unclear if that's going to happen. UM. But I'm I'm 310 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: wondering kind of what you what y'all think it's actually 311 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: because as you've talked about, you know, with the protests ongoing, 312 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: with the military being deployed in the South, this is 313 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: not a finished fight. Um, it's just a fight that 314 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of progress has been made on what do 315 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: you think is reasonable to expect from this new constitution 316 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: in terms of of of climate change, in terms of 317 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: ecological justice. Also, I think the right of the of water. 318 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: So water is privatized here, so Chileans here in Santiago, 319 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: we have to pay a Spanish company too for our water. Sure. Um, 320 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: I would say, like the economy in this country is 321 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: based on like structivism, So you have like the most 322 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: productive things mining, and then you have like the forestry 323 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: and all these things, like they have an enormous impact 324 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: on the environment and the people until I mean the 325 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: people who live right next to these kind of things, 326 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: they don't get anything from them. I mean, the poorest 327 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: places are like right next to the forest trees, rightness 328 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: to the mining. So it's kind of like we're creating 329 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: a lot of income from these things, but we're not 330 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: getting anything from them and all. I mean Also, it's 331 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: not like a thing like let's get everything back to 332 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: the state, I mean to the state, because it's it's 333 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: more than that. It's just like like um, ecological equality, equity. Yeah, yeah, 334 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: it's not saying we should take all of the private 335 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: water and give it to the state as much as 336 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: it's saying everyone who lives here has a has a 337 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: personal right to enough water to survive life. Yeah, so 338 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: you have rounds where small little towns and uh, they 339 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: don't have any water to drink because all of their 340 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: water is to the going to the farm owned by 341 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: Nessley to make, you know, to grow avocados to sell 342 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: to Europe and the United States. So, um, yeah, it's 343 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's it's a pretty crazy thing. One of 344 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the things that's most interesting to me about your situation 345 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: is you you are in a place where not entirely 346 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: similar dissimilar from the United States, you have a police 347 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: in a military that are heavily dominated by by right 348 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: wing ideology. Obviously, like the United States is partly responsible 349 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: for that in your case, we we funded it for 350 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: a very long time. Um and uh. And so it's 351 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: still an ongoing fight. But at the same time, clearly 352 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: the people are unhappy enough with that situation and hold 353 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: like that they were able to make. They were able 354 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: to force the folks with with guns to um to 355 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: recognize that they can't hold on to everything that they 356 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: wanted to hold onto. And I I guess I'm what 357 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: how can we do that? Um, I'm I'm very impressed 358 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: by like, and you know, watching from the sidelines, I 359 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: was just so happy to see this not go where 360 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: I think we were all scared it might go, you know, 361 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: in either the direction with like Syria, where it turns 362 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: into this horrible blood bath, or where everything gets crushed, 363 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: you know it. And and I I'm wondering, like why 364 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you think on a on a broader scale, what do 365 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: you think was responsible for those people with access to 366 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: the guns deciding we can't hold onto this. Like, Yeah, 367 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so intensely curious about that because it's 368 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: it's it's important for a lot of people and a 369 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: lot of other parts of the world. Yeah, I don't know. 370 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think it was just the protests and 371 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: the daily protests and and just getting out there, keeping 372 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: the pressure on. And at some point, you know, it's like, hey, 373 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: this is not good for the economy, you know, like 374 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: so all of the rich people, um, and you know, 375 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: the ten families that are in control of you know, 376 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: sixty or seventy percent of the wealth of the country. Yeah, 377 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: and they at some point had to recognize that this 378 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: was something that that you know, had reached its boiling 379 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: point and and they could no longer respond with just 380 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: force because they tried it and it didn't work for 381 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: months and it was just months and months of protests 382 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: and um and uh. And obviously that caused a hit 383 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: to the economy and that caused a hit to the 384 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: wallets of of the ultra rich. And so at some 385 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: point they they realized that they had no other move 386 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: to play than to accept it in some way and uh, 387 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: and that's how we got, you know, this new constitution 388 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: that is being written. One thing I was interested about 389 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: is the geography of the protest because I know Chili 390 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: very urban population. And also it was is it like 391 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: it's like a quarter of the population or something lives 392 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: in Santiago, like in in that area, And I'm yeah, 393 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: so sorry. I just want to note, if I'm not mistaken, 394 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: there were only five. You have kind of communes instead 395 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: of states, is what they're called. Um, like ten voted 396 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: in favor of the referendum and only five voted against it. 397 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, Well, communes are within cities like 398 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: different It's like Burroughs in New York, but we have 399 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: different regions instead of states. And um, and I think 400 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: they all voted. They might be like seven. But when 401 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: you might be thinking of um of yeah, Robert, you 402 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: might be thinking of communes in Santiago where Santiago is 403 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: very um. So it's all on the Rio Mapocho, the 404 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: river which goes east to west across the city and 405 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: basically you have this like very rich part on the 406 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: east and up into the hills and um, and then 407 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: it gets poorer and poorer as you go to the west. 408 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: And um. Yeah for the vote for the constitution, Um, 409 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: it was everyone voted for the constitution except for these communes, 410 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: these ultra rich in the east. Amazing, Okay, just think 411 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: it's something was curious about this was so when when 412 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: the protests were going on, um, because you know Chile's 413 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: had like huge protests before, I mean even the last 414 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: decade or what I was interested still also with this 415 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: time is like, well, hey, what do you think it 416 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: is different about this than say like two thousand and 417 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: eleven ChIL wasn't thirteen? And then be in terms of 418 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: like the geographic breakdown of where people are and where 419 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: they're going, is it that you know? So so you 420 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: have this, you have this classifying the city, but we're 421 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: the working class districts, like we're people staying there in 422 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: those graf structure where they like moving from those places 423 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: like to protest inside of the richer urban areas. I 424 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: would say, like, I mean, yeah, we have like many 425 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: protests in the past, but there were more kind of 426 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like students protests, and then you 427 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: have like you know, like university protests. But when we 428 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: have like this protest like that the one we have 429 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: on TODWNSA nineteen, it's like something that unites everyone. I mean, 430 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: you don't have to be a students, you don't have 431 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: to go to university to protest. I mean it's something 432 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: that it's affecting everyone. I mean, the fairs of the metro, 433 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: they affect everything on the in the quality in the 434 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: country affects everyone. So um, I mean that I guess 435 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that make this protests of the 436 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: TOTASA nineteen unique in this term. Yeah, And I think 437 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: it was actually a problem when all the protests were happening, 438 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: A lot of people were saying, we can't keep going 439 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: to the plaza. You know, the cops are just going 440 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: to wait for us in the Plaza and you know 441 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be a ship show and we need 442 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: to you know, protest all over and there were protests 443 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: across Chile and every single major city. UM but I 444 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: will say the majority of the protests have been um 445 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: here in the plaza and close to Lamoneta where the 446 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: presidential palace and UM but some of the most memoriab 447 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: protests center to and and the Coast Nara Center, the 448 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: tallest building in Latin America, which is a mall and 449 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: a monument to this idea that Pinera has of um, 450 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: the way of Chile being an oasis in South America. 451 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: We're not like other countries where we're like the United States, 452 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, where this capitalism capitalists oasis and exactly. Um 453 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: but but yeah, so some of the most memoriabal protests, 454 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: they weren't super common, but we're exactly that where the 455 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: people said, you know what, we're not going to the plaza, 456 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: we're going to Coast Nara Center where we're going to 457 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: vist the coora, We're going to where the millionaires live, 458 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: where they work, and um that those were really powerful 459 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: and so that's when you started to see like all 460 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: of those banks and malls and just blocks and blocks 461 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: of what the rich folk like to call Sanhattan, you know, 462 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: Santiago Manhattan, the skyscraper part of the city, and it 463 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: was just all boarded up, you know. Um because there 464 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: there were definitely a couple of weeks where the protests 465 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: went that way, and and and yeah, it was inspiring. 466 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: What I keep coming back to when I look about 467 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: like why it worked, It wasn't because the front liners 468 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: just kept the pressure up, because the front liners did 469 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: in a lot of places here, the front liners stayed 470 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: out well after everyone else stopped coming out. It's that 471 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: the population kept up the pressure, like the there were 472 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: like Chile as a as a as a nation, as 473 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: a as a people kept up the pressure in in 474 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: a in a pretty significant way, um as opposed to 475 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: kind of fading back after the first couple of weeks. 476 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: And I mean it, I think, I'm sure the question 477 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: of why it happened has a lot to do with, 478 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: like you said, inequality, you know, things that have been 479 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: going on for decades. It's it's a it's a complex situation, 480 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: but it does seem like that's one of the big 481 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: takeaways that if you can you can secure even in 482 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: even in a pretty terrifying situation. A lot of concessions, 483 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: a lot of of what you need, but but people 484 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: have to have to keep putting themselves out there. Yeah. Absolutely, 485 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: I would say it's a couple of things. Um. One 486 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: is um, as you mentioned, I think it's like the 487 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: culture of protests here, you know, especially in the last 488 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: ten years, like um with the revolution penguins inleven Um, 489 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, and there are and the feminist protests and um. 490 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: So it's it's not something that just happened two years ago. 491 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: It's the last decade or two has has and the people, 492 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: especially the young people, going out there and protesting. And 493 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: that's that's one thing that's inspiring about Borid the candidate 494 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: for president. The election is next month, so the left 495 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: wing candidate, Boridge, and he came out of that movement. 496 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: He was a student protester and a leader of the 497 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: student movement. And so I think it's like it grew 498 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: out of that, it grew out of kids in high 499 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: school saying this is just what we do. This is normal. 500 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: We go out there and protest when when ship happens. 501 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: And and the other thing is, yeah, you know we 502 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: always say here in Chile, after the protests started. Um, 503 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: it's not thirty pace those it's thirty years, you know, 504 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: thirty years of neoliberalism, of this revolving door of center 505 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: right and center left, and and just continuing on with 506 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: the um economic oppress and and the other thing I 507 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: feel like people don't understand is that, uh, you know, 508 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: people either think Chile is like the United States or 509 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: they think it's like Peru or something, you know, and 510 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: it's really neither. In Chile, the minimum wage is half 511 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: of what the United States is, which is already terrible. 512 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 1: But um, the cost of living here is almost the 513 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: same as you guys in Portland. I mean, not the 514 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: housing probably, but like you know, yeah, yeah, it's like Europe. 515 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: You know, I could move to Berlin and live cheaper 516 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: than here, you know, but it is hard to of 517 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: three times that, you know. So so I think it's 518 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: that's the other thing is people just they they had 519 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: no other choice, you know, and we're just poured down 520 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: by by thirty years, you know, after twenty years of 521 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: the dictatorship, thirty years of this terrible wages and um, 522 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: just neoliberalism, and so so I think it's it's partially 523 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: that and partially just like the culture of protests that 524 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: grew out of the student movements in in the early 525 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: two thousand's. Mm hmm. Yeah. There was one thing that 526 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: was interesting, also interested about that I don't remember seeing 527 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: much of at the time, was what was Chilian organized 528 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: labor doing during this It's a good question. Honestly, labor 529 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: hasn't been a big part of the protest, at least 530 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: from my point of view. You know, I don't know. Yeah, 531 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it took a pretty strong hit during the 532 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: Pinochet years, if I'm not mistaken, So there was kind 533 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: of that, Like, I guess that does make sense. Sure, Yeah, Honestly, 534 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about labor history here 535 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: in Chile, but um but yeah, it definitely is. I 536 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: mean you would see you know, um union groups in 537 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: the straits here and there, but um but but definitely 538 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: they weren't a leading voice in the protest, I would say. Yeah. So, 539 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: I guess that leads into the other. I guess one 540 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: of the other things that, from from my understanding, has 541 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: been happening all across Latin America, but but in in 542 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: chill in particular, is the rise of the informal sector 543 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: and people just sort of not having access to sort 544 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: of stable wages in labor. And I'm wondering about Okay, 545 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: so organized labors, like the classical unions aren't really involved 546 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: in this, And I guess I'm interested in how if 547 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm right that that you're dealing with a lot of 548 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: people who aren't doing traditional labor stuff, what was the 549 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: process that was able to get people mobilized. It's like, 550 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: especially people who just have no sort of like people, 551 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: people who are in the informal sector and people who 552 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: aren't involved in the sort of older classical organizations. Yeah, 553 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I would just say it's 554 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: like that that culture of protest um that comes from 555 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: the young people, uh in the last twenty years. And 556 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: then of course, um, the older folks who um, you know, 557 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: uh lived through the dictatorship, and of course, um, there 558 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: were an incredible protest at that time too. And and 559 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: so I don't know, I mean, honestly, I was, even 560 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: after living here for you know, six years, UM, I 561 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: was shocked. I never thought it would come to this. 562 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: I never thought I would see, you know, over half 563 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: a million people in the streets of Santiago, um. And 564 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: and I would never never thought we'd see a new constitution. So, UM, 565 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't, I don't have the answer 566 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: is it's uh, it's surprising to me. But UM, what 567 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: I will say though, is I don't want to paint 568 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: a Rosie portrait of Chile right now because if like 569 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: we mentioned, you know, uh, tomorrow night, if you guys 570 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: go to uh Galerria sema c I m A on 571 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: YouTube or instagram. Um, they have a live feed of 572 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: the plaza for blocks from our house. And every Friday, 573 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, use the protests come out and sometimes the 574 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: cops are there right away and they make a whole 575 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: perimeter with two cops and all of the you know, 576 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: tanks and everything, UM, blocking entrance to the plaza in 577 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: every direction. Sometimes they let the people protest. But then 578 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: at ten o'clock, you know, after the sun comes down, 579 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: they come out there and you know, it's it's the 580 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: same thing were a young woman was was killed a 581 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. So and the other thing is 582 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: that we have this election coming up, and uh they 583 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: sky cast extreme right winger Pino Certista um just like 584 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: they call him the Chilean Bosonaro um A real piece 585 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: of ship. And uh he has, Um, he has really 586 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: risen in the polls in the last month or two. UM. 587 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: The right wing candidate Sitchell, who won the right wing primaries, UM, 588 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: and was kind of going to be the successor to Pinera, 589 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: the current right wing president. UM. Because in Chile, you know, 590 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: you can't run consecutive you can't have consecutive terms. UM. 591 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: But Sitchell just kind of was not a great candidate 592 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: and uh kind of blew it and and he went 593 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: down and and now Cast is going up. And it's 594 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: really scary to think about Cast getting into the second round, UM, 595 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: where it will probably be him verse Boris and UM. 596 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: And so yeah, you know, even though the constitution was 597 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: approved by seventy of the country, UM, you know, it's 598 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: very possible that this election is going to come down 599 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: to a runoff between a you know, moderate socialist like Boridge, UM, 600 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: not the most extreme leftist in fact, known as Amario, 601 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, very yellow bellied here in Chile, that's his nickname. UM. 602 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: But it will probably Right now, it's looking like it's 603 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: going to come down to him and Cast, who is 604 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: like almost a return to the dictatorship. So it's it's 605 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: pretty scary geez. So it's just this there's just so 606 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: much fighting to do. Yeah, it's just so much fighting 607 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 1: to do. Um, I mean I I uh yeah, um, 608 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: do you have do any of you have anything else? 609 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: You want to make sure you say or talk out 610 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: before we kind of close out for the day. Oh no, 611 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: I will say, like three days ago, I just pay 612 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: my I finally pay my whole student loan. Like like 613 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: I've been working for more than ten years in my 614 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: life since I finished the university, and I've been wasted, 615 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean all my savings. I just pay this fucking 616 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: student loan. I guess that you guys in this in 617 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: the States are like the same, like I don't know, 618 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: except for people don't pay off their student stays there forever. 619 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: And I just I just I would like to wish 620 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: to the other, to the coming people that I mean, 621 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't wish that future for my from I mean 622 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: for the future people in this country. I don't wish 623 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: anyone that I mean university, I mean all students should 624 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: be um study for free. I mean it's like unconsiderable 625 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, So that was a big part of it. 626 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: And then also the I fit pay pension system here, 627 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: which is totally privatized, and so you, uh, you, the 628 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: government just takes your money for retirement. You get to 629 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: choose between four or five options which are private companies, 630 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: and then um, if you make money, then the company 631 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: takes you know, their chunk of your your retirement as 632 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: the payment for managing your fund. But if you lose money, 633 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: then it's on you. So literally, you know, Stephie's mom 634 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: is like, you know, checking on her retirement, how did 635 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: I do this year? It's like, oh, you lost two 636 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars this year. That's that's your requirement, Davis. You know, 637 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: so you and you have you know, people here trying 638 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: to live on you retirements of one hundred dollars a month. Wow, 639 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: the military is receiving hey, thousand dollars a month. You know. 640 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: So that was a big part of it. Um. But 641 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: I think what I always come back to here in 642 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: Chile is, like we've said, the activist renamed the plaza Plaza, 643 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: dig me Dad, And that's what it all comes down 644 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: to is just we're not asking for you know, ponies, 645 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: as Hillary Clinton would say, We're not We're not asking 646 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: for the moon. We're just asking for basic dignity that 647 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: everyone deserves and it's as simple as that. So we 648 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,919 Speaker 1: just have to cross our fingers and hope that we've 649 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: done enough that that you know, at a minimum, you know, 650 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: people can live and retire with some dignity, that's all. Yeah, 651 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: and uh, and that enough ecological justice can be gained 652 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: that people can survive what's coming. Um. Which it's it's 653 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: nice to see at the very least that that's a 654 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: central topic of discussion. Um. Whereas in the United States, 655 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: everyone in power seems fine with just ignoring the increasing 656 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: problems right now. So I don't know, you know, I again, 657 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: I also don't want to be painting too rosy a 658 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 1: picture as you've as you've repeatedly clear, there's a lot 659 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: of of struggle left still, um. But at least you've 660 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: you've you've achieved a lot. And I I've just heartened 661 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: by by hearing your story and and and hope that 662 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 1: more people pay attention to what's happened there and try 663 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: to take lessons from it, because I think we all 664 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: need to be we all need to be gearing up 665 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: um as as I'm sure you all will continue to 666 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: continue to do anything else before we close out. UM. No, 667 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: that's it. I mean, I completely agree. I think that 668 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: just like the messages that like, you know, better things 669 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 1: are possible, like you know, real real change can happen. 670 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, like this started uh two years ago with 671 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: high schoolers protesting, and now we're going to have a 672 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: vote on a new constitution and it's going to be 673 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: an ecological constitution, a blurry natural national constitution, um, with 674 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: respect for the indigenous people. It's it's uh, it's written 675 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: by you know, an equal amount of men and women 676 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: and everything, and and so yeah, just I think for me, 677 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: it's so easy for us who have grown up in 678 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, under the gloom of neoliberalism, to to just 679 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 1: get really depressed and fatalistic about it. And uh so 680 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: for me, I feel the same way, like it's just 681 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: such an inspiration and the Chilean and and especially the 682 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: Chilean youth. Um. But but yeah, um, it's just an 683 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 1: inspiration and uh and proof that that change can happen. Um. 684 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: But it's not just voting. And you know, like Chileans 685 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: have elected socialists, you know, the former president was a socialist, 686 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: but it was just the same neo liberalism bullshit. So 687 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: I think, you know, voting is great, but like that's 688 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: just not enough, and so you have to, um, you know, 689 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: get out in the streets and try to organize and 690 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: make real change in other ways as well. All Right, yeah, 691 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: I agree entirely. Thank you all for coming on. Um 692 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't appreciate it more and I hope you have 693 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: a lovely rest of your day and a lovely continuing 694 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: to uh stick it to the sons of bitches. 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