1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton here and the entire Clay and Buck Show 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: with you and your family, a warm Christmas season and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: a joyful new year. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: He's hurt on WBT and Charlotte, North Carolina. Please welcome 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: Brett Winterble filling in for Clay and Buck. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: No place I'd rather be than with each and every 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: one of you on this program. It's great to be 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: with you in for Clay Buck, as you heard, and 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: you can reach out to us. Everything is fair game 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: today at eight hundred two two eight eight two is 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: the telephone number. It is great to be here. One 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: of the things that the progressives like to do is 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: they like to try to sneak things in that shouldn't 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: be part of policy. Okay, And what I see and 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: what I hear from so many people is that it 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: just feels like we are paddling upwind and all this 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. No, you're not. We're actually winning a 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: lot more than you might be realizing. So let me 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: go over to onearticular location. It's the Epoch Times, and 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: they have a piece that I think is really interesting 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: because it is something that happened in California. Federal judge 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: strikes down California's policies hiding gender switches from parents. Now 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: I had to read that like two or three times 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: before I understood what they were actually saying. But the 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: permanent injunction includes language that bars any employee in California's 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: education system from misleading a parent. This is California Federal 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: judge on December twenty second, just yesterday, while we were 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: all talking about the things that we're going to do, 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: ruled against the California policies that prevent parents from learning 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: their children gender switches. Sounds like a piece of mechanical material, 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: But know what this is is kid goes to school, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Kid identifies as a different person than what they are 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: when they go to school, then they come back home, 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Now you cannot find that out. 35 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: You know a lot to find that out if you're 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: a parent, because all you are is the parent. Now, 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: the state is really excited about all that sort of stuff. 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: And you know why that is, right, It's because it's 39 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: going to mean there's going to be more money pushed 40 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: into the system than all that sort of stuff. US 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: District Court Judge Roger T. Benitez entered a permanent injunction 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: that bars officials from enforcing the policies. The state's desire 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: to protect vulnerable children from harassment and discrimination is laudable, 44 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: wrote Benitez in a fifty two page decision, but he 45 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: said the parental exclusion policies create a trifecta of harm. 46 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: They harm the child, who needs the parental guidance the 47 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: possibility mental health intervention to determine if the incongruence is 48 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: organic or whether it's the result of bullying, peer pressure, 49 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: or a fleeting impulse. They harm the parents by depriving 50 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: them of the long recognized Fourteenth Amendment right to care, 51 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: guide and make health care decisions for their children, and 52 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: by substantially burdening many parents' First Amendment right to train 53 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: their children in their sincerely held beliefs. And finally, they 54 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,279 Speaker 1: harm the teachers, who are compelled to violate the sincerely 55 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: held beliefs and the parents' rights by forcing them to 56 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: conceal in they feel is critical for the welfare of 57 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: the student. That is a totally smart, obvious take, but 58 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: in California everything is upside down among these sorts of policies. 59 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Among the policies are rules prohibiting teachers prohibiting teachers from 60 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: telling parents when their children begin going by a different 61 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: name and gender, and forcing teachers to use those new 62 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: names and pronouns when parents are not around. I know 63 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: there are tons of teachers listening to the Clayan Buck Show. 64 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: I know there are tons of people who have to 65 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: try to keep everything straight in their mind because well, 66 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: let's say you're in a big time school and you've 67 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: got I don't know how many classes do you teach, 68 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe four classes, five classes, six, whatever it is, and 69 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: you got thirty kids in each, So you have to 70 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: be responsible for like one hundred and eighty two hundred kids. 71 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: You got to know whose gender is what, and this 72 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: is that, and the other thing is this? 73 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: Come on. 74 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: Lawyers for the state said the policies were part of 75 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: providing a safe learning environment, including making sure that children 76 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: can learn without the fear of being outed to their 77 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: parents before they're ready. So let's take a hypothetical here 78 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: for a second. Right now, what do we have. We 79 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: have the holiday coming up, We've got Christmas coming up, 80 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: New Year's you're out for winter break, all that sort 81 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: of stuff. So if you go to school and you 82 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: identify as a completely different person, and then you come 83 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: home at night, and you do that whole sort of 84 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: thing where you just kind of do what you're doing. 85 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: How are you being how are you being protected during 86 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: the period in which you are not at school for 87 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: the two three weeks of the holidays. How do you 88 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: do this? It seems to be an undue burden for 89 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: the teachers to have to carry that weight number one 90 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: and number two to see what these kids are doing 91 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: when they're not at school. That interest is too broad 92 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: and not narrowly tired tailored to respect parental rights, the 93 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: judge said. In articulating their interest, the state defendants completely 94 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 1: ignore the fact that parents of students possess a free 95 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: exercise right to direct a child's religious teaching. The permanent 96 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: injunction includes language that bars any employee in California's education 97 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: system from misleading the parent or guardian of a minor 98 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: child in the education system about their child's gender presentation 99 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: at school, whether by directly lying to the parent, preventing 100 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: the parent from accessing educational records of the child, or 101 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: using a different set of preferred pronouns and names when 102 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: speaking with the parents that is being used at the school. 103 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: By the way, the attorneys who brought this for the 104 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: Thomas Moore Society or representing teachers in the case, and 105 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: they are celebrating the ruling. Teachers don't want to be 106 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: a part of this. By and large, the regular teacher, 107 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: the average teacher, does not want to have to go 108 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: and deal with gender pronouns or anything like that at all. 109 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: They don't want to be a part of that because 110 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: it makes them feel, obviously that they're deceiving the parents, 111 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: the first teachers, and that ladies and gentlemen shouldn't shouldn't 112 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: be the factor. What should be happening here is you 113 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: raise your kid. You may have some trauma, you may 114 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: have some drama, you may have some of that, but 115 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: it's not a public educational institution's responsibility to do this 116 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. I would love to hear from any 117 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: of the teachers who are out on break if you've 118 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: had to deal with this sort of stuff. This is 119 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: a very important thing, and this ruling that the judge 120 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: put through is significant in a very big way because 121 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: you're not lying to your to to to your the teacher, 122 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: the teachers are not lying to the parents. What happens 123 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: if the if the person who's identifying with a different 124 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: name or or or dressing differently, gets injured at school 125 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: and suddenly you come over uh to go render aid, 126 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: and the parents are called, and suddenly they're wearing different 127 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: clothes and their name is different and all that sort 128 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: of To me, it's it's I think it's profoundly unfair 129 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: to the teachers. There's a whole lot of issues you 130 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: can grapple with when it comes to teaching, but but 131 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is this sort of stuff 132 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: is a real, real tough set of circumstances that they 133 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to deal with in that regard. And I 134 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: can tell you that. I can tell you that because 135 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: I know people who are teachers. I'm close to people 136 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: who are teachers. They want to go in and they 137 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: want to teach their subjects. They don't want to have 138 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: to go in and and you know, do the thing 139 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: that these that these middle schoolers, maybe elementary schoolers, high 140 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: schoolers want to do. That's that's way out of the 141 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: jurisdiction of educating people. At least that's my that's my take. 142 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you think I'm wrong, and that's totally okay. 143 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: You can absolutely say Brett, you're out of your mind 144 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about, but I do know, 145 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: and I understand. Teachers have it pretty tough. I know, 146 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: I know. You get nice mugs at the end of 147 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: the of the holidays. That's very nice. You get a 148 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: couple of you might get yourself a little a little 149 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, Starbucks card or something like that. But to 150 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: force these teachers to have to do this kind of 151 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: stuff that is just onerous, onerous in the extreme, as 152 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: they would say. All right, my name is Brett Winterbow. 153 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm in for Clay and Buck. Our telephone number if 154 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: you'd like to opine, everything is fair game. Between now 155 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: and the end of the program eight hundred eight two. 156 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna be joined later on in the program on 157 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: this hour with Bill Roggio. I'm very curious to see 158 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: what he's thinking about in the world of terrorism, especially 159 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: with Bondai and all that sort of stuff. We want 160 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: to certainly get his thoughts. I'm Brett Witterable. You're listening 161 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: to the Clay. 162 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: And Buck Show Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mike drops 163 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: that never sounded so good. Find them on the free 164 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 165 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back, on Brett Wittable in for Clay and Buck. 166 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: Great to be with you, marry Christmas. I love this 167 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: time of the year. It's incredible. It just it makes 168 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: me so happy. You know, it doesn't make me happy. 169 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what doesn't make me happy. We were 170 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: just talking about schools and and identity politics and all 171 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,359 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff that's a part of the conversation. 172 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: Let's not let's not overlook what the left wants to do. Okay, 173 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do this for you right here, right now. 174 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: This is going to be cut number seven, still on 175 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: the sort of gender affirming thing that we were talking about, 176 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Cut number seven. This is Representative Ayanna Pressley from Massachusetts 177 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: Letter ripst It. 178 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: Every parent wants to keep their child safe, wants their 179 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: child to grow without pain, to sleep through the night, 180 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: without fear or suffering. But when our children are growing up, 181 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 4: it is inevitable that they will need medical care. A 182 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: fall from a bike, a broken arm on the playground. 183 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: Parents rush into the doctor's office. They bandished, scrape knees. 184 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: They hold their child's hand and wipe away tears while 185 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: their pediatrician lays out a plan. And in these moments, 186 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: that urgent question on that parent's mind is what does 187 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 4: my child need to be? Okay, a broken bone, asthma, 188 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: gender dysphoria, diabetes, whatever the presenting issue is, a treatment 189 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: plan takes shape. 190 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: Hang on. 191 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: For some families, children need to just stop it. How 192 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: do you stack that that? Way? Do you do that? 193 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: How do you say diabetes, a scrape knee, gender dysphoria. Uh, 194 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: there's some other thing. You just package that in the 195 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: middle of that, Like that's see. This is this is 196 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: why people get so frustrated with the progressive left, because 197 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you know, I mean, look, uh, maybe 198 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: you're trying to get some reproductive treatment and then all 199 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you're gonna go and do this 200 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: other thing. And then by the way, yeah, we're just 201 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: gonna go ninth month, will just abort the baby. And 202 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: then you're like, what wait, what was that last one? 203 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: You said this? 204 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 5: This? 205 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: If the left decided they just wanted to come out 206 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: and they wanted to speak to a specific position that 207 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: they want to do that, that would be one thing. 208 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: But you can't take this. Can you refire that up? 209 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just that that was such a weird transition. 210 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: No pun intended, but you know what I'm saying. Can 211 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: you just give me this one more time? Though, Mike, 212 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead. 213 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 4: Every parent wants to keep their child safe, wants their 214 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: child to grow without pain, to sleep through the night, 215 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 4: without fear or suffering. But when our children are growing up, 216 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 4: it is inevitable that they will need medical care. A 217 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 4: fall from a bike, a broken arm on the playground. 218 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: Parents rush into the doctor's office. They bandish, scrape knees, 219 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 4: They hold their child's hand and wipe away tears while 220 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: their pediatrician lays out a plan. And in these moments, 221 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: that urgent question on that parent's mind is what does 222 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: my child need to be okay? A broken bone, asthma, 223 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: gender dysphoria, diabetes, whatever the presenting issue is, a treatment 224 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: plan takes shape. For some families, what their children need 225 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: to be okay is access to gender affirming care. Care 226 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: that is safe, evidence based, and recognize as essential by 227 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 4: every major medical association. Care that for some children is 228 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: the difference between despair and hope, between isolation and community, 229 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: between surviving and thriving. And yet today we are debating 230 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: a bill that would tell parents on Medicaid that their 231 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: child's pain is unworthy of care, that their doctor's judgment 232 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: does not matter, that politicians know better than parents sitting 233 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: in exam rooms. 234 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: Call. 235 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 4: A young person from Massachusetts wrote to me and said, 236 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: transgender people deserve the same chance to thrive and live 237 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: fulfilling lives as everyone else. 238 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: Okay, the operative word in that conversation was medicaid. So 239 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: we're going to do medicaid transitions? Is that what I heard? 240 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: I think that's what I heard. I'm pretty sure that 241 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: that's what I heard. That she's talking about medicaid meaning 242 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: the federal government is going to do transgender surgeries. At 243 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: the same time, you've got people, homeless, veterans, people who 244 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: can't get a eyeglasses. What is that? What is she 245 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: talking about? For the life of me, I can't figure 246 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: it out. Maybe you can decode it. Maybe you know 247 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: what it is, because I sure as heck do not 248 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: know what she's talking about. I didn't know that medicaid 249 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: was for gender transferation. I'll have to look into that. 250 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Can you help me with my tennis elbow? No? Absolutely not. 251 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: But what are we doing now? You see how this 252 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: is going You give an inch, they take a mile. 253 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: You give them a mile, they take two miles. This, 254 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, is not the way to run a 255 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: healthcare system. We have to do better. We must do better, 256 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: and frankly we will. I'm Brettwitter and I am Brettwitter. 257 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: But it's a pleasure to be with you here today 258 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: on the mccleay im Buck program. It's a great, great platform. 259 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: I love all the feedback we're getting. It's really awesome. 260 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: And by the way, if you want to opine eight 261 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: hundred two eight two to eight, eight to two. It 262 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: is my pleasure to welcome to the program a guy 263 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: who I always like talking to. It's Bill Roggio from 264 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy and of course 265 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: obviously Longwar Journal dot org. Bill, thanks so much, very 266 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you, and thanks for making time for us. 267 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 6: Today, Brett, always a pleasure. Merry Christmas to you and 268 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 6: to Clay and Buck into all the listeners. 269 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 3: So happy New Year. 270 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I think twenty six is going to be 271 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: a very momentous year. So let me take us back 272 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: about a week. This horrible attack that took place at 273 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: Bondai Beach in Australia. Two guys working together father son 274 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: decide that they are going to do their thing for ISIS, 275 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: trying to murder as many people as they can, specifically 276 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: targeting Jews the Tohonka celebration. What is the state of 277 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: this fight against Isis? It seems to be metastasizing in 278 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: some ways. Can you give this audience sort of a 279 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: sense of what it is that we're seeing and how 280 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: it is that we have to deal with this eminent threat? 281 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, Brett. So, Look, despite proclamations from both the Biden 282 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 6: and Trump administration that the Islamic State has been defeated, 283 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 6: I think what we witnessed it that attack and BONDI 284 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 6: the horrific attack, is an indication that they're not. These 285 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 6: two father seen they. 286 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: They went to the Philippines. 287 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 6: Well, they decided want to carry out an attack the 288 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 6: Sun had tied to ISIS that was brought up and 289 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 6: are discovered in twenty nineteen. Get the Australians decided he 290 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 6: wasn't a threat. That I guess a big oops there. 291 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 6: They traveled to the Philippines apparently for training. I think 292 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 6: what you what we witnessed on those videos was they. 293 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: Had some proficiency. 294 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 6: Look, it's difficult to become a proficient two man fire team, 295 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 6: particularly with the limited weapons they had shotguns and a rifle, 296 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 6: but it was enough to kill fifteen people and wound 297 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 6: scores more and create the chaos that we all witnessed. 298 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 6: The a lot of state isn't defeated. You know, look, 299 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 6: people thought the as long as you in in Southeast 300 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 6: Asia was an afterthought, and that clearly isn't the case. 301 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 6: If there, if these individuals did indeed go to to 302 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 6: the Philippines for training, which I believe they did. The 303 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 6: Australians believe they have as well, despite denials from the 304 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 6: Philippine government, it shows that, you know, even though these 305 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 6: groups aren't highly active, they maintain capacity to recruit, to indoctrinate, 306 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 6: to train and to execute attacks. And that's we have 307 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 6: to keep in mind that just because we want these 308 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 6: this war on terror to be over, doesn't mean that 309 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 6: the Jihadis themselves who clearly don't think it's over. 310 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: They get it. 311 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 6: They have a word, you know, they get the last word, 312 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 6: and they got their their word in and bondy and 313 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 6: this won't be the last attack. 314 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: When you when you look at this and you look 315 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: at the way ISIS is operating I'm looking towards you know, 316 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: down the road and the horizon and things like that. 317 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: How how do they supply themselves? How do they put 318 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: this stuff together? Obviously we know that ISIS is an 319 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous organization broadly, but the cells that are making 320 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: up these attacks, whether a lone wolf or you know, 321 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: other people working that way, how do they get funded? 322 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: How do they get uh? The the the approach is 323 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: that they're using uh to to try to kill as 324 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: many people as they can. 325 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, So the Islamic State, you know, look, it's very 326 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 6: active in Africa and West Africa and in the Sahel 327 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 6: in East Africa. They even have a cadre in Somalia 328 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 6: that is spreading cash to other theaters they make. They 329 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 6: raise their money via the areas they may control. They'll tax, 330 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 6: they'll take you know, from businesses. They demand zakat or payment. 331 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 6: Uh Basically they think of it as a tide from 332 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 6: the people where they're under control. They run criminal enterprises. 333 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 6: They're moving money via either crypto or hawala, which are 334 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 6: basically Islamic banks where it's yeah, the complicated, but to 335 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 6: just think of it as like you know, a word 336 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 6: of mouth. Western Union promisory way of exchanging money, and 337 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 6: and that is used to fund their operations, to execute operations. 338 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 6: I mean, they're certainly not devoid of individuals who have 339 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 6: been in combat that can provide training. For instance, in 340 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 6: the Philippines where this area in the Philippines, there are 341 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 6: several groups is ABUSAIF group which part of its loyal 342 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 6: to al Qaeda, it's part of it's loyal to the 343 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 6: Islamic State, the more Islamic Liberation Front. All these groups, 344 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 6: they may be down. This is the problem with the 345 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 6: entire you know, war on terror is we want these 346 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 6: groups to be defeated because they're not openly controlling territory, 347 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 6: but they exist little cellular level and they continue to 348 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 6: they take advantage of the of the situations. And in 349 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 6: the case of this they it looks like they grab 350 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 6: two individuals who are who had proclability to launch an 351 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 6: attack and they aided them in carrying out that attack. 352 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: Visiting with Bill Ragio from Long War Journal dot org 353 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: and a Foundation for the Defensive Democracies on the clam 354 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: Bucks Show. Let me take you to this scandal that 355 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: is emerging in Minnesota, and obviously you're familiar with this. 356 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: You understand you have a large Somali presence in that area. 357 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: The governor is saying, Okay, we lost a lot of 358 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: our money. It's a real problem. Eighteen billion or nine 359 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: billion or whatever that is. I raised this because you 360 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: talk about Huala, and is it impossible that money left 361 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota to go to Somalia to feed some of this 362 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: sort of effort. Because from from what I see from people, 363 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: whether it's ilhan Omar or other people, they're saying, we 364 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: have absolutely no connection to terrorism at all. It shouldn't 365 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: even be talked about. Is that Is that a Is 366 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: that a real possibility? 367 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: Bill? Oh? 368 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 6: Not only is it a possible ability, it's a probability. 369 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 6: It's a strong probability. When the once that money is 370 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 6: being transferred overseas. Again, these groups they have a way 371 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 6: of either extorting that money or there may be individuals 372 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 6: and I can't you know, Look, there's a large Somali 373 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 6: cadre from the United States that has supported Shabab, which 374 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 6: is al Qaeda's branch in Somalia. I there was some 375 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 6: of the four or five Americans who served as suicide bombers, yes, 376 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 6: inside of Somalia. They came from the Minneapolis area. I 377 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 6: remember talking to I'm not gonna say who, but an 378 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 6: individual who knew quite a lot about this over a 379 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 6: decade ago, was warning me about these problems, about problems 380 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 6: money being transferred. Individuals were either sympathetic or supportive. So I, 381 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 6: you know it, claim that not a single dime of 382 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 6: that money that was stolen from the people of Minnesota, 383 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 6: and I would you imagine, I don't know if federal 384 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 6: funds are involved, but have not been people in the 385 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 6: United States. 386 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: You know your tax dollars at work here. It's idly 387 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: likely that some of them. 388 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 6: I'm not going to say nine billion dollars or nineteen 389 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 6: or eighteen billion dollars went to support you, Bob, but 390 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 6: if it's one percent of it, or if you're ten 391 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 6: percent of it, that's a lot of that money goes 392 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 6: a long way in a poor country like Somalia. 393 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to tie this together with something else that 394 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: I think is important. So you were familiar with what 395 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: happened at Brown University, the shooting and that sort of 396 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: stuff that was happening. And we know it's not the 397 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: guy who did this wasn't as far as we know, 398 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: an Isis Sky or anything like that. But do the 399 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: ISIS fighters. Do these people pick up ideas looking at 400 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: things like this where you either or have a fifth 401 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: column that's spending time on elite campuses where they can operate, 402 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: or or they decide that they want to go and 403 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: attack very soft targets like universities and things like that. 404 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: Do they go to school and all that sort of stuff, Bill. 405 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're certainly watching. You know, there's not a lot. 406 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 6: Different in the attack, you know, at least from the 407 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 6: tactical level, from the you know, the employment of that attack, 408 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 6: between what happened in Bonding and what happened in Brown. Right, 409 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 6: an individual gets a hold of weapons is radicalized in 410 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 6: some way. So they see this and they're looking for 411 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 6: individuals that they can recruit, and they recognize that if 412 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 6: you can get that person, access doesn't even have to 413 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 6: be weapons. It doesn't have to be firearms. It could 414 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 6: be a knife. When we've seen knife attacks in Europe 415 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 6: and the United States, ramming attacks they've happened here, you know. 416 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 6: So there they watch and see how other INDI viduals 417 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 6: or groups that may not be tied to Islamic terrorist organizations, 418 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 6: but they're going to mirror those tactics. I think part 419 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 6: of me wonders, how much, like you know, the shooter 420 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 6: and at Brown, is mimicking attacks from the Islamic State 421 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 6: or is it the other way around? But yeah, they 422 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 6: certainly watch and learn to try to discover our weaknesses 423 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 6: and what they can do and how to exploit them. 424 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: Okay, final question for you, very generous with your time. 425 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: I always like talking to you in our last two minutes. 426 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: Where are the things that we should be paying close 427 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: attention to? What's popping up on your on your radar? 428 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say the attack in Syria that where 429 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 6: two American soldiers were killed, and this was by a 430 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 6: member of the Syrian security forces, the Sentcom and the 431 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 6: US government. The Trump administration insists that this was the 432 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 6: Islamic State. The Islamic State never carried out that never 433 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 6: claimed credit for this attack. Keep in mind, if they 434 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 6: gave a US soldier a hang now, they would claim 435 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 6: credit for it on their propaganda. That's not a word 436 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 6: from them. And yet our response when this attack is 437 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 6: carried out by a government that used to be supposedly 438 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 6: used to be part of al Qaeda, it's comprised nearly 439 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 6: solely of his longless groups, many of them linked to 440 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 6: al Qaeda or directly purporting to them, and our response 441 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 6: is to target the Islamic State. There's some cover is 442 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 6: being provided here. Remember that Tom Barrack, the envoid is Syria, 443 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 6: that there is no Plan B for Syria if we 444 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 6: don't support Shara, the president of Siri, who used to 445 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 6: be al Qaeda's leader in Syria. That we you know, 446 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 6: there is no if we don't support him, we don't 447 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 6: have any other options. Meanwhile, he's going to get away 448 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 6: with killing you know, his people, killing his jihadis in 449 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 6: his rank and file. 450 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: Killing Americans. 451 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 6: And our responses to go after the Islamic State, which 452 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 6: by the way, is the enemy of the Syrian government, 453 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 6: which is responsible for killing Americans. 454 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: Where do people go to get more information on what 455 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: you do. 456 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can go to worjournal dot org. 457 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Bill, it's a pleasure to be with you. 458 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and let's get together again 459 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: next year, my friend. I appreciate you. 460 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 3: Same to you, my friend. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year 461 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: to all. 462 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely that's Bill Roggio. I'm Brett Woterble. I'm in for 463 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck Today to eight hundred and two A 464 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: two two eight a two back after. 465 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: This news you can. 466 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: Count on and some laughs too. 467 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 468 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 7: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 469 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 7: get your podcasts. Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, 470 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 7: wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas and 471 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 7: a happy new Year. 472 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: And welcome back to the Clay and Buck Show. It's 473 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: Brett Winterbowl in for Clay and Buck. Eight hundred and 474 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: two A two to eight a two. We've got a 475 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: couple people on hold. Let's jump out and talk to 476 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: Mike in Minnesota. Line one. Welcome to the show. 477 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 5: Hi, welcome, Merry Christmas, Brent, thank you. Yeah. I just 478 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 5: I'm kind of upset how conservatives they are just on 479 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 5: board with all these Trump's tariffs. And I just heard 480 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 5: the newspript where Trump or the White House just praised 481 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 5: how all the economic gains are due to his tariffs 482 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 5: or a lot of it is. And I mean, tariffs 483 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 5: are just a tax on top of all the other 484 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: taxes we pay. Nothing, nothing good can ever come out 485 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 5: of tariffs. And it's yeah, it's just I don't know 486 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 5: how I'm just like disappointed that so many conservatives are 487 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 5: fooled and have bought into this tariff. 488 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: Well, well, if you have a tariff, right, If so, Like, 489 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: let's say you you exercise a tariff, and I exercise 490 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: a tariff, and you have to pay x amount and 491 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I have to pay x amount, the way to get 492 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: to a fair position is for both of us to 493 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: drop the tariff, right, I mean, isn't that kind of 494 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: kind of how this is supposed to. 495 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 5: Let's say let's say we trade with Germany and they 496 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 5: impose tariffs on their people for imparts, hurting themselves. When 497 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 5: we impose tariffs, we're just tax asing Americans. That be 498 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 5: kind of foolish. It's not, you know, we need free trade, 499 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 5: not this fairer balance trade, which fair balance trade means 500 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 5: big government protectionism where the government manages economic activity. Right. 501 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 5: Because the thing is, it's a huge myth. We don't 502 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 5: lose a penny on the trade deficit. The word deficit 503 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 5: confuses a lot of people. Yeah, affectionist thinks we lose 504 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 5: money on trade deficits. 505 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: But if the United States, if the United States, right, 506 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump goes over and talks to the to 507 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: the chancellor in Germany, and says, hey, we want to 508 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: cut a deal. We're not going to hit you with tariffs. 509 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: You're not going to hit us with tariffs. Then it 510 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: just goes away. The reason why they erect the tariffs 511 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: to begin with is because it's to try to claw 512 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: back what the other side is taking from us. So 513 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: if we decide that we're going to just have tariffs, 514 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: then everybody's going to have to pay the big to 515 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: get into the club. But if we all agree to 516 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: not do that, then everything is cool. We don't do that. 517 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: There are countries who I can't think of very many 518 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: of them that are very aggressive towards the United States 519 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: at this stage of the game, because we have been 520 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: essentially the people who are saying, yeah, we are gonna 521 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: be it's all reciprocal, right, It's if you're twenty percent, 522 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: then we're gonna be twenty percent. Or if you're twenty percent, 523 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna be forty percent. Then they're gonna give us 524 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: sixty percent, then we're gonna go to eighty percent. Our 525 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: market is such an important place. The marketplace that we 526 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: run is an incredible machine. Everybody wants to trade here, 527 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: and so we can knock back all of these tariffs 528 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: and they don't ever exist again as long as everybody's 529 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: playing ball. But if they're not playing ball, we have 530 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: we have to hit them with it, like why why 531 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: should we give anybody a free ride? Don't It doesn't 532 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: make any sense to me. 533 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 5: When we impose the reciprocal tariffs, we're hurting ourselves. That's 534 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 5: where the disagreement is. 535 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: Right, but we're getting but they're stealing from us. Then 536 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: they don't get to sell. Then they don't get to 537 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: sell here, it's the impact. It makes total sense to me. 538 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, Thank you very much. We've got 539 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: another great hour straight ahead taking your phone calls. And 540 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: of course don't forget father Bill Nicholas is going to 541 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: be joining us right around the corner. 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