WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Gaslighting of Martha Mitchell

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and it's just us and that's okay because

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing short stuff. So let's get started. Everybody, calm down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's short stuff, that's right. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Martha Mitchell, who was the wife of John Mitchell in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies, who was Nixon's attorney general for a time.

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<v Speaker 2>And Martha Mitchell was from the South. She was a

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<v Speaker 2>Some argue that she was one of the first sort

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<v Speaker 2>of conservative political pundits because she loved to go on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>not like a lot of politicians' spouses at the time

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<v Speaker 2>that kept a lower profile. She loved to be on

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<v Speaker 2>TV and talk about things, and she loved to call

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<v Speaker 2>in to journalists, maybe have a couple of bourbons and

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<v Speaker 2>callin to journalists and give quotes. And you think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh boy, this sounds like trouble. Eventually it could have been.

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<v Speaker 2>But they loved her. Nixon loved her because she went

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<v Speaker 2>out there and said the things but not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people were saying in public at the time that

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<v Speaker 2>he loved.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw that she was known as the mouth

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<v Speaker 1>of the South. She was from Arkansas, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>her quotes was, I don't believe in that no comment business.

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<v Speaker 1>I always have a comment. That was basically her guiding

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<v Speaker 1>ethos her athis one of the two. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>huge at the time, Like she wasn't just like a, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like what you have to say to the papers,

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<v Speaker 1>way to go. When you ran into her at lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>like in nineteen seventy during the election, if you went

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<v Speaker 1>to a Republican fundraiser, there was a really good chance

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<v Speaker 1>that she would be speaking there. Like you said, people

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<v Speaker 1>loved her, and including Richard Nixon, who was just a

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<v Speaker 1>fan essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. In June of nineteen seventy two, the

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<v Speaker 2>Watergate building was burgled, as everyone knows, and Nixon and

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<v Speaker 2>his inner circle were like, we didn't have anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with this. I don't know what you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. And then one of them said, hold on

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, there's something that Martha knows about this that

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<v Speaker 2>could spell trouble for us. And this is that story,

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<v Speaker 2>because it gets pretty crazy, so crazy that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a series in twenty twenty two. Was it a series

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<v Speaker 2>or show? I think it's a series called gas Lit

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<v Speaker 2>starring Julia Roberts as Martha Mitchell Mitchell and a very

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<v Speaker 2>heavily makeuped and balded and changed Sean Penn as John Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although Sean Penn has done so many eight balls,

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible he just looks like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Oh no, Sean Pimsill looks good. This guy he

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<v Speaker 2>looked like John Mitchell, which is to say, old and

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<v Speaker 2>bald and little tubby.

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<v Speaker 1>And well so, just as a spoiler, John Mitchell eventually

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<v Speaker 1>went to prison. He's the first and only US Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>general to go serve time in federal prison. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>badly this went for him. But at the time after

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<v Speaker 1>the Watergate break in, when the Knicks campaign, because he

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<v Speaker 1>stopped being Attorney General for Nixon and became the head

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<v Speaker 1>of Nixon's re election campaign, he ran the committee to

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<v Speaker 1>re elect the president the CRP. Everyone else on the

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<v Speaker 1>planet called it creep instead, and so he was running that.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the time, right after the Watergate break in,

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<v Speaker 1>when they were still denying, denying, denying, you can't prove anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and he realized that his wife would definitely call the

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<v Speaker 1>press if she got the chance. He hatched a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to keep her from doing that and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a crazy turn, and it's about here where

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<v Speaker 1>it does. Because he and Martha, John and Martha were

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<v Speaker 1>had a fundraiser in California at the time with Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan and John Wayne and.

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<v Speaker 3>They were.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when the news of Watergate broke. Essentially, so John

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<v Speaker 1>Mitchell flew back to DC, but he said, Martha stays here,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he talked to some other guys and he said, essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure Martha stays here, keep her away from the newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>and do not let her call anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And the big, big reason that they were

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<v Speaker 2>worried about her was not just because she liked to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the press, but it was because one of

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<v Speaker 2>the people caught in the Watergate burglary and arrested was

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named James McCord. He was a security director

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<v Speaker 2>for the reelection committee for Nixon and had a very

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<v Speaker 2>close tie to that family because when her husband quit

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<v Speaker 2>the Attorney general position to become head of that committee

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<v Speaker 2>for reelection, she lost Secret Service protection and he got

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<v Speaker 2>none other than James McCord to be her private personal bodyguard.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can add one and two together, as

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<v Speaker 2>Martha Mitchell. You would know if you knew James McCord

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<v Speaker 2>was caught breaking into the Watergate that it probably had

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<v Speaker 2>something to do with a Nixon campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I say we take a break, come back

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about Martha Mitchell's ordeal.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why.

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<v Speaker 2>You should know why.

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<v Speaker 1>We should know knows, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk Josh Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Chuck. So Martha Mitchell is being held in a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel in luxury. Of course this isn't you know, She's

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<v Speaker 1>not like in some Rundown hotel. This is a nice hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm presuming. I don't know why that matters. It does

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but it's unnecessary to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they didn't take her to like an abandoned warehouse

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<v Speaker 2>and retired to a chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Great. Great, thank you for saving me. And apparently for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while they were able to keep her away

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<v Speaker 1>from the news. I mean, this is a time when

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<v Speaker 1>there was no such thing as twenty four hour news networks,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had to physically get your hands on a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper to read the news a lot of times. But

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<v Speaker 1>eventually she did get a newspaper, and she did read

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<v Speaker 1>about the Watergate break in, and she did read that

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<v Speaker 1>James McCord, her former bodyguard, was one of the people arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>and she did put two and two together and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this, but my husband and probably Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon directed the Watergate break in who can I call?

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. She was pretty mad about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she was being kept in the dark, obviously very frustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Just watched that trailer at least with Julia Roberts and

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<v Speaker 2>it got kind of hairy in there. So she starts

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<v Speaker 2>fuming a little bit and causing a bit of a commotion.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if it happened exactly this way, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the TV show, she called from a bathroom phone

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<v Speaker 2>like hotels have bathroom phone times right there by the toilet,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of these guys, you know, quote unquote safeguarding

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<v Speaker 2>her was an ex FBI agent named Steve King, burst

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<v Speaker 2>into the bathroom, ripped the phone out of the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>She was talking to Helen Thomas of UPI, one of

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<v Speaker 2>her favorite reporters that she liked to talk to, and

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<v Speaker 2>Helen Thomas, here's the line, go dead, tries to get

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<v Speaker 2>back in touch and then eventually calls John, the husband

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<v Speaker 2>who said that little sweetheart I love her so much.

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<v Speaker 2>She gets a little upset about politics, but she loves

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<v Speaker 2>me and I love her, and that's what counts. When

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<v Speaker 2>all along what had happened is that Martha was physically

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<v Speaker 2>tackled and injected with a tranquilizer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by a doctor, but still she's being held down

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<v Speaker 1>and sedated against her will, which is nuts. Again under

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<v Speaker 1>the direction her husband. Yeah, I mean, it's better than

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<v Speaker 1>some FBI agent doing it, but sure, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a huge criticism of this operation, though, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't condone what they did to her. But if

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to do it, there was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>step that they missed, which is rent a second hotel

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<v Speaker 1>room and get rid of all of the phones in

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel room that Martha Mitchell's being kept in, and

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<v Speaker 1>if John Mitchell wanted to get in touch with her,

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<v Speaker 1>he could call the other hotel room and then they

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<v Speaker 1>could relay whatever message they needed. That was just bush league,

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<v Speaker 1>amateur stuff leaving any phone in there. If one of

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<v Speaker 1>the directives was to keep her away from the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And when they checked in, when they said, well

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<v Speaker 2>would you like the paper slit under your door every morning, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that sounds great. Is it free? Because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay for it, but if it's free, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>can we get two?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy? Yeah, they didn't do it right Martha. And

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<v Speaker 2>we should say we're kind of joking here, because Martha

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<v Speaker 2>was not injured or anything like that, but she was

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<v Speaker 2>held against her will, essentially kidnapped, held against her will,

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<v Speaker 2>and then gaslet like nobody's ever been gas lit before.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she eventually was set free, she went right to

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<v Speaker 2>the press and said, you know, I was detained, I

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<v Speaker 2>was forced into sedation. And the New York Times ran

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<v Speaker 2>it on page twenty five, and the Nixon administration painted

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<v Speaker 2>her as a kind of a crazy lady with a

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<v Speaker 2>drinking problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean very much so. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they their smear campaign was so far reaching that when

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<v Speaker 1>John Mitchell resigned from being the head of Nixon's re

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<v Speaker 1>election committee, he said that he needed to spend or

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to spend more time with his wife and daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nixon campaign leaked to the press that the real

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<v Speaker 1>reason he left was because Martha had a drinking problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It was unstable and needed basically constant attention from her husband, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which just supported the whole idea that she was just

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<v Speaker 1>off her rocker talking about being held against her will

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<v Speaker 1>and sedated. What is this lady even saying?

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<v Speaker 2>And like who would do that? What kind of administration

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<v Speaker 2>would do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what kind of husband would do that too? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw that the stuff, the articles that they

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<v Speaker 1>did run were run in the women's pages. I made

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<v Speaker 1>scare quotes, but that's what they were at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>like women's interest stuff. And the way that they ran

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<v Speaker 1>it was essentially not like can you believe what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to this woman? It's hey, get a load of this.

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<v Speaker 1>These two are a famous married couple, and there's trouble in.

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<v Speaker 2>Paradise, right, like gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this poor lady got dragged through the mud.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know for a fact that this actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>because later on James McCord, her former bodyguard who was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the Watergate breaking, he confirmed it. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>this absolutely happened to her in nineteen seventy five. He

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed it. But one of the first things she did

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<v Speaker 1>was to call on Nixon to resign. She's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>were involved in Watergate, you need to step down. And

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<v Speaker 1>all Nixon did was turn the heat up on the

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<v Speaker 1>smear campaign against her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean she seemed like a like a very

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<v Speaker 2>like she may have been into gossip, but she seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like a very principled conservative because she, you know, she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like this dirty business from Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that was huge. She was also a very loyal

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<v Speaker 1>spouse to the end. She refused to believe that her

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<v Speaker 1>husband had you know, dreamed this up and that he

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<v Speaker 1>essentially was dragged into it and had been led astray

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<v Speaker 1>into dirty politics, like you said, so much so that

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<v Speaker 1>she testified on his behalf at his federal trial. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet he still was like, thanks a lot, Martha, see you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking out on you. And if you weren't like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's a real jerk already. He gave a quote

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<v Speaker 1>to the press after he was sentenced to seventeen or

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen months in prison, and he said, hey, it could

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<v Speaker 1>have been worse. They could have sentenced me to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of my life with Martha. Oh god, can you imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's this lady's alive to hear this, so hear

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<v Speaker 1>her husband say this about her after being that loyal

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<v Speaker 1>to him, you know, And mistaking who he was for

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<v Speaker 1>so long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's just go ahead and call him a real scumbag. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's I feel good about that. So Martha, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>her husband served nineteen months in prison after walking out

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<v Speaker 2>on Martha and their daughter in nineteen seventy three, and

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<v Speaker 2>later on Martha this gas slighting would actually become a

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<v Speaker 2>term the Martha Mitchell effect because of what happened to her,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a misinterpretation of a person's justified belief as

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<v Speaker 2>a delusion. Very sadly, she died of cancer in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six, just a couple of years after Nixon left office,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and Julia Roberts made a TV show about her,

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<v Speaker 2>so at least her her story got out there in

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty major way, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And a few years after Nixon resigned, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>an interview and he tried to drag her through the

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<v Speaker 1>mud a little more, but ultimately he showed his hand

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of paid backhanded tribute to her by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>if it hadn't been for Martha, there never would have

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<v Speaker 1>been in a watergate, like he never would have been

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<v Speaker 1>caught because they could have just kept denying, denying, denying.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do that enough, you can get away with anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was Nixon's plan, and Martha under undermine that

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<v Speaker 1>big time.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't keep her sedated forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait to go? Man, who can you? Who can't you?

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<v Speaker 2>Do? Well? Anybody very good?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Well check saying that, And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to say, so short. Stuff's that?

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