1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh and 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and it's just us and that's okay because 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: we're doing short stuff. So let's get started. Everybody, calm down. 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: It's short stuff, that's right. We're going to talk about 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: Martha Mitchell, who was the wife of John Mitchell in 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, who was Nixon's attorney general for a time. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: And Martha Mitchell was from the South. She was a 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Some argue that she was one of the first sort 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: of conservative political pundits because she loved to go on TV, 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: not like a lot of politicians' spouses at the time 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: that kept a lower profile. She loved to be on 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: TV and talk about things, and she loved to call 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: in to journalists, maybe have a couple of bourbons and 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: callin to journalists and give quotes. And you think, like, 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: oh boy, this sounds like trouble. Eventually it could have been. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: But they loved her. Nixon loved her because she went 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: out there and said the things but not a lot 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: of people were saying in public at the time that 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: he loved. 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that she was known as the mouth 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: of the South. She was from Arkansas, and one of 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: her quotes was, I don't believe in that no comment business. 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: I always have a comment. That was basically her guiding 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: ethos her athis one of the two. And she was 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: huge at the time, Like she wasn't just like a, hey, 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: I really like what you have to say to the papers, 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: way to go. When you ran into her at lunch, 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: like in nineteen seventy during the election, if you went 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: to a Republican fundraiser, there was a really good chance 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: that she would be speaking there. Like you said, people 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: loved her, and including Richard Nixon, who was just a 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: fan essentially. 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. In June of nineteen seventy two, the 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: Watergate building was burgled, as everyone knows, and Nixon and 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: his inner circle were like, we didn't have anything to 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: do with this. I don't know what you guys are 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: talking about. And then one of them said, hold on 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: a minute, there's something that Martha knows about this that 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: could spell trouble for us. And this is that story, 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: because it gets pretty crazy, so crazy that there was 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: a series in twenty twenty two. Was it a series 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: or show? I think it's a series called gas Lit 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: starring Julia Roberts as Martha Mitchell Mitchell and a very 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: heavily makeuped and balded and changed Sean Penn as John Mitchell. 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, although Sean Penn has done so many eight balls, 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: it's possible he just looks like that. 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: Now. Oh no, Sean Pimsill looks good. This guy he 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: looked like John Mitchell, which is to say, old and 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: bald and little tubby. 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: And well so, just as a spoiler, John Mitchell eventually 51 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: went to prison. He's the first and only US Attorney 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: general to go serve time in federal prison. That's how 53 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: badly this went for him. But at the time after 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: the Watergate break in, when the Knicks campaign, because he 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: stopped being Attorney General for Nixon and became the head 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: of Nixon's re election campaign, he ran the committee to 57 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: re elect the president the CRP. Everyone else on the 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: planet called it creep instead, and so he was running that. 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: So at the time, right after the Watergate break in, 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: when they were still denying, denying, denying, you can't prove anything, 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: and he realized that his wife would definitely call the 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: press if she got the chance. He hatched a plan 63 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: to keep her from doing that and like you said, 64 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: it takes a crazy turn, and it's about here where 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: it does. Because he and Martha, John and Martha were 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: had a fundraiser in California at the time with Governor 67 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan and John Wayne and. 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: They were. 69 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: That's when the news of Watergate broke. Essentially, so John 70 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Mitchell flew back to DC, but he said, Martha stays here, 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: and then he talked to some other guys and he said, essentially, 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: make sure Martha stays here, keep her away from the newspaper, 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: and do not let her call anybody. 74 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: That's right. And the big, big reason that they were 75 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: worried about her was not just because she liked to 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: talk to the press, but it was because one of 77 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: the people caught in the Watergate burglary and arrested was 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: a guy named James McCord. He was a security director 79 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: for the reelection committee for Nixon and had a very 80 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: close tie to that family because when her husband quit 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: the Attorney general position to become head of that committee 82 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: for reelection, she lost Secret Service protection and he got 83 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: none other than James McCord to be her private personal bodyguard. 84 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: So if you can add one and two together, as 85 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: Martha Mitchell. You would know if you knew James McCord 86 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: was caught breaking into the Watergate that it probably had 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: something to do with a Nixon campaign. 88 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I say we take a break, come back 89 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: and talk about Martha Mitchell's ordeal. 90 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: That's why. 92 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: You should know why. 93 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: We should know knows, but. 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 3: Talk Josh Clark. 95 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Chuck. So Martha Mitchell is being held in a 96 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: hotel in luxury. Of course this isn't you know, She's 97 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: not like in some Rundown hotel. This is a nice hotel. 98 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm presuming. I don't know why that matters. It does 99 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's unnecessary to say. 100 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 2: Well, they didn't take her to like an abandoned warehouse 101 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: and retired to a chair. 102 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: Great. Great, thank you for saving me. And apparently for 103 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: a little while they were able to keep her away 104 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: from the news. I mean, this is a time when 105 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: there was no such thing as twenty four hour news networks, 106 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: and you had to physically get your hands on a 107 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: newspaper to read the news a lot of times. But 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: eventually she did get a newspaper, and she did read 109 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: about the Watergate break in, and she did read that 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: James McCord, her former bodyguard, was one of the people arrested, 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: and she did put two and two together and say, 112 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: I can't believe this, but my husband and probably Richard 113 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: Nixon directed the Watergate break in who can I call? 114 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: That's right. She was pretty mad about the fact that 115 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: she was being kept in the dark, obviously very frustrated. 116 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: Just watched that trailer at least with Julia Roberts and 117 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: it got kind of hairy in there. So she starts 118 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: fuming a little bit and causing a bit of a commotion. 119 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it happened exactly this way, but 120 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: in the TV show, she called from a bathroom phone 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: like hotels have bathroom phone times right there by the toilet, 122 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: and one of these guys, you know, quote unquote safeguarding 123 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: her was an ex FBI agent named Steve King, burst 124 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: into the bathroom, ripped the phone out of the wall. 125 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: She was talking to Helen Thomas of UPI, one of 126 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: her favorite reporters that she liked to talk to, and 127 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: Helen Thomas, here's the line, go dead, tries to get 128 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: back in touch and then eventually calls John, the husband 129 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: who said that little sweetheart I love her so much. 130 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: She gets a little upset about politics, but she loves 131 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: me and I love her, and that's what counts. When 132 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: all along what had happened is that Martha was physically 133 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: tackled and injected with a tranquilizer. 134 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, by a doctor, but still she's being held down 135 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and sedated against her will, which is nuts. Again under 136 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: the direction her husband. Yeah, I mean, it's better than 137 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: some FBI agent doing it, but sure, a. 138 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: Little, I guess so. 139 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: I do have a huge criticism of this operation, though, Chuck. 140 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't condone what they did to her. But if 141 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: they were going to do it, there was a huge 142 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: step that they missed, which is rent a second hotel 143 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: room and get rid of all of the phones in 144 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the hotel room that Martha Mitchell's being kept in, and 145 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: if John Mitchell wanted to get in touch with her, 146 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: he could call the other hotel room and then they 147 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: could relay whatever message they needed. That was just bush league, 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: amateur stuff leaving any phone in there. If one of 149 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: the directives was to keep her away from the phone. 150 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And when they checked in, when they said, well 151 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: would you like the paper slit under your door every morning, sir, 152 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, yeah, for sure. 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: Right, that sounds great. Is it free? Because I don't 154 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: want to pay for it, but if it's free, definitely, 155 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: can we get two? 156 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: Oh boy? Yeah, they didn't do it right Martha. And 157 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: we should say we're kind of joking here, because Martha 158 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: was not injured or anything like that, but she was 159 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: held against her will, essentially kidnapped, held against her will, 160 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: and then gaslet like nobody's ever been gas lit before. 161 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: Because she eventually was set free, she went right to 162 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: the press and said, you know, I was detained, I 163 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: was forced into sedation. And the New York Times ran 164 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: it on page twenty five, and the Nixon administration painted 165 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: her as a kind of a crazy lady with a 166 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: drinking problem. 167 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean very much so. As a matter of fact, 168 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: they their smear campaign was so far reaching that when 169 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: John Mitchell resigned from being the head of Nixon's re 170 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: election committee, he said that he needed to spend or 171 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: wanted to spend more time with his wife and daughter. 172 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: The Nixon campaign leaked to the press that the real 173 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: reason he left was because Martha had a drinking problem. 174 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: It was unstable and needed basically constant attention from her husband, Yeah, 175 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: which just supported the whole idea that she was just 176 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: off her rocker talking about being held against her will 177 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: and sedated. What is this lady even saying? 178 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: And like who would do that? What kind of administration 179 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: would do that? 180 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: Well, what kind of husband would do that too? You know? 181 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: And I saw that the stuff, the articles that they 182 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: did run were run in the women's pages. I made 183 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: scare quotes, but that's what they were at the time, 184 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: like women's interest stuff. And the way that they ran 185 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: it was essentially not like can you believe what happened 186 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: to this woman? It's hey, get a load of this. 187 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: These two are a famous married couple, and there's trouble in. 188 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: Paradise, right, like gossip. 189 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this poor lady got dragged through the mud. 190 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: And we know for a fact that this actually happened 191 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: because later on James McCord, her former bodyguard who was 192 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: involved in the Watergate breaking, he confirmed it. He said, 193 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: this absolutely happened to her in nineteen seventy five. He 194 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: confirmed it. But one of the first things she did 195 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: was to call on Nixon to resign. She's like, you 196 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: were involved in Watergate, you need to step down. And 197 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: all Nixon did was turn the heat up on the 198 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: smear campaign against her. 199 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she seemed like a like a very 200 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: like she may have been into gossip, but she seemed 201 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: like a very principled conservative because she, you know, she 202 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: didn't like this dirty business from Nixon. 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: No, that was huge. She was also a very loyal 204 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: spouse to the end. She refused to believe that her 205 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: husband had you know, dreamed this up and that he 206 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: essentially was dragged into it and had been led astray 207 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: into dirty politics, like you said, so much so that 208 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: she testified on his behalf at his federal trial. And 209 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: yet he still was like, thanks a lot, Martha, see you, 210 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm walking out on you. And if you weren't like, wow, 211 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: this guy's a real jerk already. He gave a quote 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: to the press after he was sentenced to seventeen or 213 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: eighteen months in prison, and he said, hey, it could 214 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: have been worse. They could have sentenced me to the 215 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: rest of my life with Martha. Oh god, can you imagine. 216 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: And she's this lady's alive to hear this, so hear 217 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: her husband say this about her after being that loyal 218 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: to him, you know, And mistaking who he was for 219 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: so long. 220 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go ahead and call him a real scumbag. Yeah, 221 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: let's I feel good about that. So Martha, like you said, 222 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: her husband served nineteen months in prison after walking out 223 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: on Martha and their daughter in nineteen seventy three, and 224 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: later on Martha this gas slighting would actually become a 225 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: term the Martha Mitchell effect because of what happened to her, 226 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: which is a misinterpretation of a person's justified belief as 227 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: a delusion. Very sadly, she died of cancer in nineteen 228 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: seventy six, just a couple of years after Nixon left office, 229 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: And yeah, and Julia Roberts made a TV show about her, 230 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: so at least her her story got out there in 231 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: a pretty major way, you know. 232 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And a few years after Nixon resigned, he gave 233 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: an interview and he tried to drag her through the 234 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: mud a little more, but ultimately he showed his hand 235 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: and he kind of paid backhanded tribute to her by saying, 236 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for Martha, there never would have 237 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: been in a watergate, like he never would have been 238 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: caught because they could have just kept denying, denying, denying. 239 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: If you do that enough, you can get away with anything. 240 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: And that was Nixon's plan, and Martha under undermine that 241 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: big time. 242 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: We couldn't keep her sedated forever. 243 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: Wait to go? Man, who can you? Who can't you? 244 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: Do? Well? Anybody very good? 245 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: All right? Well check saying that, And I don't know 246 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: what to say, so short. Stuff's that? 247 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 248 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 249 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.