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Speaker 1: And here we go another episode, this time live with

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Speaker 1: Off the Edge of the podcast Me, your host, Cam Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited. Not only do I have a pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: a guy who's been part of the lead for sixteen

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Speaker 1: years sitting beside me, who's just introduced him. Steve Smith's

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Speaker 1: senior senior. I mean, there's a junior out there. I

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Speaker 1: want one of those. I'm never gonna get one, but

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Speaker 1: I want one of those.

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Speaker 2: His name is uh deucey mcgoosey. His name is douce,

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Speaker 2: so I call him do some mcgoosey. Okay, his uh

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Speaker 2: my full name, uh so. A lot of people always

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Speaker 2: stink more. My name is Steve right, Steve Smith. It's

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Speaker 2: not as Steve An. That's my birth name, spelled like stephen,

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Speaker 2: like it's an st e v O N n E.

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Speaker 2: And so I saw I called him do some mcgoosey,

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Speaker 2: or in the mornings when I talked to him Steve.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, my dad is Steve, and I call I

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Speaker 1: call him Esteban. That's that long come in. You know,

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Speaker 1: he got he the light skin swag to him, so

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, no if he's Puerto Rican Dominican,

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Speaker 1: Sir dooceygosey. That's that's dope.

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Speaker 2: I always wanted but but the Deuce is not Deuce. McAllister, right,

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Speaker 2: but Deuce. I wanted to deuce like Deuce Daley.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, I see what you're with there, South

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Speaker 1: Carolina guy.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking Duce because you know, no, it is

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Speaker 2: just but off of I've always loved the name Deuce.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always saw.

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Speaker 2: I had in my mind if I ever have, I

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Speaker 2: got three boys, If I ever have, it'd be Deuce.

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Speaker 1: I got one boy. I was like, my my goal

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Speaker 1: was make the make the first boy his own man,

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Speaker 1: and then the second boy junior. Because I didn't you

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Speaker 1: don't want to put pressure either way. I was like,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to put pressure on but the second one.

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Speaker 1: Never got a second one boy? Three girls, hashta girl, dad,

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Speaker 1: It's real, It's super real. I'm scared you got no girls.

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Speaker 2: I got one girl. Middle child middle child syndrome.

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Speaker 1: Is the best child. It's not. I'm the oldest, ah,

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Speaker 1: so I know it's responsibility on man rather than has

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Speaker 1: that do with me middle child. So you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, the perfect combo. You gotta think you got

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Speaker 1: the top who's like, oh man, he's so good, we

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Speaker 1: should try another me. Then you're like, oh man, he's

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Speaker 1: so great, we should try another sister. You know we're good.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I just want to point out if we can, uh,

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Speaker 2: camera go down. I've never really dealt with this before

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Speaker 2: because I'm fine nine and I usually have equipment in

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Speaker 2: my house. Yeah, that's up to my height. Bro, Man,

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Speaker 2: I'm over here dangling.

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Speaker 1: Got the got the Kevin Hart can't be a gangster

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Speaker 1: like this. I was dating while as they can't. They

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Speaker 1: can't respect the fourteen thousand yards. Don't matter that there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a little pills like right in there. No

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Speaker 1: I ever ate lean, I said, Man, oh wait, I

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Speaker 1: just I just thought. I thought I thought i'd tell

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Speaker 1: on myself. That's on me. It's nice though, being as high,

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Speaker 1: you know, it feels good. I'm just six four, you know,

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Speaker 1: Pops six five, you know brother six two change, let's

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Speaker 1: be nice. Wife is short, though she's five seven, she

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Speaker 1: claims five nine. I'm not sure that she played basketball.

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Speaker 1: So you know, they lie about the height on.

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Speaker 2: The time I was six one and Jerry College.

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Speaker 1: That's how you push that they say Drew is if

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Speaker 1: they say they say drew By sip By is a lie?

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Speaker 1: How you five? Now you think it? No? Six? I

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Speaker 1: have lied before. It was like, no, I'm six five

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Speaker 1: like my dad. I'm not. Yeah, I'm just swore. But

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Speaker 1: that's that's as far as my life went. I didn't

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Speaker 1: go high. I know, well I been six. Hey, no,

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Speaker 1: you know what? I have the prototype? Gosh darn, it

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Speaker 1: probably costs myself a couple of Vicks. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: all good. We're here. I'm dis worried. A lot of people.

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Speaker 1: You say your say what with shoes on back fields? Yeah? Yes,

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Speaker 1: seven studs? All right, you got to play. I'm a

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Speaker 1: lock in. Look you were you know, you were a

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Speaker 1: finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame last year.

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Speaker 1: That's longer than that's more than a yeah. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you know you're getting it you semi yeah at some point? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So how does it feel to know that you've done

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Speaker 1: enough work over sixteen years? What does that body of

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Speaker 1: work show about you? What do you want to be

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not necessarily I'm not necessarily sure just

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Speaker 2: because I'm really out of place in my life right

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Speaker 2: now that I really don't feel it as much, and

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Speaker 2: every day goes by, it's becoming less and less. I'm

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Speaker 2: easing out of it, of being proven myself right, letting

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Speaker 2: remember at the time when I was playing, I wasn't necessary.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was always told I wasn't a prototype, right,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't a prototype playing X receiver write no motion,

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Speaker 2: staceinary stand on the line of scrimmage number one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and and so I.

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Speaker 2: Just I used to like it. My maturation process mentally

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Speaker 2: has been so emotionally up and down to the point

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Speaker 2: of where I've had to do certain things and not

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Speaker 2: do certain things. Great example, Man, I didn't go to

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Speaker 2: my ten year anniversary of high school.

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Speaker 1: You were still playing.

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Speaker 2: No, it had nothing to do it was it was

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Speaker 2: they did it in a spray in off season. You

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Speaker 2: know why I didn't go, man, because my mentals wasn't right.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna go on that thing. G wag may

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Speaker 2: call it a lost out reason, yes, and so so

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Speaker 2: now is man, when I get that call, I get

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to go jacket. Everybody's anticipating me to sit

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Speaker 2: up there and talk nonsense, and man, that's not gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be the case.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot of thankfulness inside of me, and

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Speaker 2: there's a part where, Man, I was just a knuckle

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Speaker 2: ahead from LA and I didn't I never thought about college.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to play in the NFL. I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to be in a thousand yard club. And so

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Speaker 2: now that I've been in a thousand yard club, I've

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Speaker 2: experienced it all.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: When it happens, Man, it's the book is closed on

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Speaker 2: my football career. It's been since February twel February twelve,

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Speaker 2: February second of two thousand and.

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Speaker 1: Three.

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Speaker 2: It is the last thing on my lifetime goals that

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Speaker 2: I get the markoff.

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Speaker 1: When you got it too.

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Speaker 2: The NFL, Yeah, I was the NFL two thousand and one,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three, I started a thousand yard season. No,

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Speaker 2: I get the mark off. I want to be a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. So that's been my goal. So before

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Speaker 2: sports psychology became what it is, I had a sports

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Speaker 2: psychologist when I was playing really and he was a golfer.

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Speaker 2: He was a golf psychologist. So he taught me how

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Speaker 2: to go through routine visitation, all of those things, and

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Speaker 2: so I just that was one of them. It was

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Speaker 2: by my parents a house, do this be this, be that,

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Speaker 2: all these laundry lists of things, but the number one

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Speaker 2: thing that has not been crossed off, Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer and that's been my goal. So

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Speaker 2: after that happens, you know, ask him for the sun.

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Speaker 1: That's you ready to take me? Now?

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Speaker 2: Look tagment now right, So that that's just kind of

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Speaker 2: that's where that's where I'm at. It's not uh, it's

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Speaker 2: not I told you so, I should have been here.

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Speaker 2: It's man's real. It's real humbleness and real gratitude and thankfulness.

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Speaker 2: Right man, that's you.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't expecting that absolutely, I mean I mean from you. Never.

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Speaker 1: I never. I never take anybody for what they were

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Speaker 1: as they are. Now you're supposed to you're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be stagnant, and you're supposed to grow and evolve.

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Speaker 1: You should, hell you should, you should. Uh, somethings stay constant,

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Speaker 1: you're base of who you are. I think stay is constant.

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Speaker 1: But you as a person grow. You know, before kids,

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Speaker 1: I used to be in the club every every sas

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Speaker 1: you just as you grow, you just grow you learn,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's what the next step of life

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Speaker 1: to do today. Well, I'm not waking up at six

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Speaker 1: me to be and be the husband they need me be.

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Speaker 1: And also at the end night before I go to sleep,

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Speaker 1: those works, but you, bro, you have like four podcasts going, right,

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Speaker 1: you gotta check out that. You gotta check out the tape.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go ironed out, right, and then you gotta

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So for a man who says I wi't afford

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I'm gonna have work just because

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Speaker 2: you know, I played in the league, uh. And I

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Speaker 2: give me an opportunity to take my sweet time on

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Speaker 2: what the next phase of my life looks like. And

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Speaker 2: I just took my time. But also in my off

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Speaker 2: I took an intership with Morgan Saty for two years.

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Speaker 2: I tried to get on with ups, they said no.

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Speaker 2: Tried to get on with FedEx, they said no. At

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Speaker 2: realize that philosophy. And so it's just there was a

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Speaker 2: lot of things that I dabbled in just to see

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Speaker 2: to see. And I said, you know what, well, I

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Speaker 1: And so I just did all that, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, and I learned a lot, you know, for

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Speaker 2: me in school growing up, I didn't pay attention as

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Speaker 2: much as I wished I had. But I've had some

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Speaker 2: great mentors around me. And so I don't have the

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you stay in the league longer by playoff chess.

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Speaker 2: So something I wish I would have been involved in more.

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Speaker 2: And I kept you know, I kept my shoulder pads,

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Speaker 2: I you know, I kept selling my footballs that I

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Speaker 2: But had a thirty three, a thirty three pointer heads

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Speaker 1: That that is I love football like any given sunday

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Speaker 1: Tearing you off.

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Speaker 2: Hey, man, That's the one thing as an analyst I

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Speaker 2: look back. I wish I'd have had the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: do a little bit of TV work before I play,

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Speaker 2: because it's.

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Speaker 1: Really shut yourself outside the game.

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Speaker 2: It made me see the game as a business. They're

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Speaker 2: not as my dream.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So you know, when you don't catch your pass, you

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Speaker 2: don't get the opportunity to line up where you want to.

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Speaker 2: You're mad about you a you mad at the person

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Speaker 2: who didn't assign you your opportunity. Man, Now, sit back

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Speaker 2: and I understand the complexity, but also the nonsense that

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Speaker 2: goes on. How a guy who's drafted gets more opportunity

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Speaker 2: than a guy that's not. But the guy is not, Hey,

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Speaker 2: they can't give him a chance because they're now on

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Speaker 2: the scout or whoever stood on the table for this

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Speaker 2: kid is looking like a before. So it's a lot

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of complications going through that. I just

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Speaker 2: I'm like, It's made me a lot of times when

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting on camera or I'm sitting in a studio

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Speaker 2: and I'll say something right before I said, you'll see

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Speaker 2: me snicker because now I'm dialing back.

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Speaker 1: Keep seeing it. Yeah, I'm seeing it. But I'm really going, man,

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Speaker 1: there's some bull Jesus happening, and what you should play

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Speaker 1: him because he's clearly more or because he's proven. But

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Speaker 1: you got this young bud that you just invested a

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Speaker 1: first round or you just paid or I'll give.

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Speaker 2: You another example. So you know how Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 2: playing for the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you listen to all that, they said,

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Speaker 3: the reason he he went to the Colts is because

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Speaker 3: it was the it was a sure legitimate shot to start,

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Speaker 3: opportunity for competition Versus most teams.

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Speaker 2: They're not bringing in a veteran to compete. They're bringing

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Speaker 2: in a veteran to help this young fellow with his mind.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why Daniel didn't didn't take the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to stay in Minnesota, right, Jajon McCarthy, Yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: and and and Sam Donald didn't play well. But Kevin

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Speaker 2: O'Connell fired Sam at the podium. He was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he cham just didn't play good enough. We go on

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Speaker 2: with JJ you remember, and it was like, wow.

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Speaker 1: Look at that logan right Nowold Sam looking decent over Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Decent Sam looking decent. You know, that's the word one

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Speaker 1: to use. They're also highly powered Jackson Instnership Shift and Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to say his name. He's a

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Speaker 1: dog who ja that's well, who's throwing it to him? Sam?

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Speaker 1: I said, okay, better than Damns. Jadam is not throwing

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Speaker 1: it to Sam out there dropping dying. No, I'm still

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Speaker 1: stuck on Sam from the Jets and that's me. So

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Speaker 1: when I say good, no, you're really just tainted. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But just like Geno Smith had his run back after

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Speaker 1: he let the Jets, it might just be the Jets anyway.

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Speaker 1: That's another conversation. Thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. This is off the Edge of Cam Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I'm yours. I had another questions, but we got to

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Speaker 1: do Rail because this man is such a legend in

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Speaker 1: the game as well as off the field. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about his foundation, how I got inspired back

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Speaker 1: in the gap when he was out there giving hundreds,

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Speaker 1: if not thousands of pairs of shoes, because that's the

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Speaker 1: man he was when he was with Carolina Panthers. I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: if he can impact his city, why can't I do more.

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Speaker 1: It's just look at one of those things. You look out.

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Speaker 1: You see so many people do it so good, so

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Speaker 1: off that I meant to say, commendable efforts that you do.

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Speaker 1: I don't be in the Hall of fame because it's

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Speaker 1: those stories where it's like, man, they always thought he

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Speaker 1: was undersized. I love those those scrap fights. That's why

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Speaker 1: I probably looked up to John Randall back to the

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Speaker 1: de because they called him John. They used to call

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Speaker 1: him undersize. He was a menace and he still is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he is hous want to say golf and hit a

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Speaker 1: stoke bro? He is Larry, That's what Dolly all right?

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Speaker 1: So you know so either way, this is off the edge.

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Speaker 1: Cam Jordan as your host with my podcast. You can

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