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Speaker 1: and she did and he said yes. Joining me right now,

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Speaker 1: an all star slate of panelist doctor Angela Arnold, renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold MD

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Speaker 1: dot com. Forensic expert, hosts of a hit new podcast

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Speaker 1: the national chief communications officer at one of the organizations,

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Speaker 1: Very Dear to my Heart, Child Help dot org. Their

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Speaker 1: lead news anchor joining me from w DBO. Ray Caputo.

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Speaker 1: I know you've heard his name before, renowned criminal defense

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Speaker 1: attorney out of La Troy slate, no tranger to a courtroom.

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Speaker 1: But our star to day is the woman who I

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Speaker 1: You work there at the Miss Potato restaurant, and you are,

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Speaker 1: So families usually come early with kids. Yeah, you're right

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Speaker 1: they stepdad and the mom were taken away, did you

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Speaker 1: make eye contact with or get to speak to the

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Speaker 1: little boy? Flaviani. No, I was not able to speak

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Speaker 1: with him again. So the only thing that I did

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Speaker 1: was when the police officers was talking with everyone there,

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Speaker 1: because they separate them sometimes. I was concerned with the

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Speaker 1: boy because he didn't eat with the family. So I

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Speaker 1: asked us teaching to make him a sandwich, and I

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Speaker 1: stayed out to give the sandwich and a drink to him,

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Speaker 1: and he grabbed the sandwich, say thank you, and I

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Speaker 1: thought that he didn't eat. He give the sandwich bro

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Speaker 1: to the mother. I wonder why, well, I wonder why

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Speaker 1: he would have done that. You know, he was starved,

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Speaker 1: Daphne young childhelp dot org. He must have been too

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Speaker 1: afraid to even eat the sandwich without being allowed to

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Speaker 1: by the mother because he's a bad boy, right, yeah, Fabiani,

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Speaker 1: were you saying something? Yeah? I think he was so

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Speaker 1: um suber missed. This is why he didn't eat. Well,

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: we've certainly learned a lot about mommy. Even if she

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Speaker 1: didn't beat the child herself, which she's also charged with

446
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: child abuse, she stood by and let this man, this stepfather,

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00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: bait her child. I don't understand it. To Ray Kapetero

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Speaker 1: lad Knees anchor w DBO what do we know about

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Speaker 1: this stepfather. Well, he's like a three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: pound monster, Nancy who beats kids. He has a history

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Speaker 1: of this. He was married to a woman before and

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Speaker 1: she had two small kids, and there was a history

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Speaker 1: of violence. She ended up divorcing mister Wilson because he

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Speaker 1: was beating her two and four year old kids, you know.

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Speaker 1: And this is a mother too, lor She's saying, don't

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Speaker 1: do this, they're too small to do this. But this

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Speaker 1: guy couldn't keep his hands off of these children, and

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Speaker 1: he continued it with this eleven year old boy who

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Speaker 1: was twenty pounds under weight, had bruises all over him.

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Speaker 1: So you can we imagine where this was all going

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Speaker 1: to go if this wasn't stopped by miss Carvallo by

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Speaker 1: just by chance. I'm looking at the police report now.

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Speaker 1: And in a previous relationship, he took great joy at

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Speaker 1: beating the woman's child, and the second time it happened

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Speaker 1: and she told him to stop and then ended up

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Speaker 1: kicking him to the curb for the only reason he

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Speaker 1: kept beating her child. I don't understand the psychology, doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, of a mother standing by and watching their

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Speaker 1: child be abused. Well, Nancy, I know it's very difficult

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Speaker 1: to understand these and it doesn't matter how many of

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Speaker 1: these stories we hear, we always have the same reaction

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Speaker 1: to them. Nobody can ever understand how someone can do us.

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Speaker 1: Is it's so interesting that that is the same reaction

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Speaker 1: we always have. And it's because those of us who

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Speaker 1: do not think like these monsters think cannot We can't

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00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: even get close to how they can do us because

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00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: they have absolutely no remorse. They have scared everyone in

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Speaker 1: the family. I'm not making any excuses for the mother,

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00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: but there are reasons why she's with this monster. It

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Speaker 1: could be financial reasons. She could be very unstable financially

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Speaker 1: and whatnot. And oftentimes people will look the other way

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00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: when things like that, when when they're in that sort

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Speaker 1: of situation, she may be afraid of going to be

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00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: very not impressed with anything that you just said, Doctor Angela.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this doctor Angie quote. It should

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Speaker 1: be noted the little boy was in pain just by

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Speaker 1: simply rolling up his jacket sleeves to show his injuries.

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Speaker 1: Just to roll up his sleeves, it hurt him. He

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Speaker 1: had chest pains and he was hunched over in pain

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Speaker 1: there at the restaurant to our hero Flamani Cravolo, Miss Cravolo.

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Speaker 1: What was the mother doing during all of this while

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Speaker 1: her son, her child, was not being given any food.

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Speaker 1: She is a lot. I seem like he was not there.

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Speaker 1: That's simple. She's acting like he's wasn't off there. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at a shot of Flaviana Caravalo right now standing

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Speaker 1: in front of the restaurant. It's specialty Brazilian dishes. Here's

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Speaker 1: another quote for you. It was an act of God.

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Speaker 1: He was sitting in the only seat in the restaurant

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Speaker 1: where I could show him the note without his parents seeing. Flaviani,

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Speaker 1: Is that true? That was the only seat in the

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Speaker 1: restaurant where you could show him that note without the

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Speaker 1: parents seeing. Yes, it's true. God puts him there. I

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00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: know that the alleged perp in this case. Mommy. Thirty

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00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: one year old Kristen Swann got together with Wilson, a divorcee.

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Speaker 1: We know why he's divorced. He served in the military.

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00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: They've been together for six years, and her Twitter handle

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Speaker 1: reads I'm a fun loving Bama fan. I love my fiance, Tim,

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Speaker 1: my son and my daughter. I love watching movies as

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: her sound like a normal person. How would you ever

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Speaker 1: suspect someone that's so seemingly normal is standing by while

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00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: their son is being shamed up and hung upside down

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Speaker 1: to be beaten. I mean, Daphne Young, You've got to

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00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: see this every day where everything looks fine on the outside,

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Speaker 1: but it's a chamber of horrors on the inside. Well,

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00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: that's the scariest part. These are the neighbors, these are

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Speaker 1: people down the street, These are people eating at a

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Speaker 1: cafe on New Year's Eve, right, These are normal quote

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Speaker 1: unquote people until you look behind the curtain and the

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Speaker 1: watchful eyes. You know, I heard a guest talk about waitressing.

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Speaker 1: I've also done that when I was in college till

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Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning. And it is the best

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Speaker 1: sociology you will ever happen life because exactly that it

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00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: teaches you what to look for. You know, when she

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: saw a little boy that seemed twenty pounds underweight, he

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: see skinny, Flaviani said, And that is just perfect. She's

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: starting to put pieces together, and she doesn't have to

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00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: know the whole answer exactly, just to go on that

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: instinct is amazing. A sign and a nod, a quick

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00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: yet thinking waitress saves a little boy's life. If you

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Speaker 1: want to donate to flavianis go fund me's go fund

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Speaker 1: me dot m a slash one six e three four

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Speaker 1: three seven R. It's also listed at crime online dot com. Flaviannah,

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00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: when you look back at what happened, when you think

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00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: about what you saw, what you did, what goes through

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Speaker 1: your mind? Ah. Of first, I thank God to let

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00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: me see the boy. Um it's uh, it's form of

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00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: feelings inside me when I remember, I get upside because

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00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: of the situation. I get angry because of the monsters,

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00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: and um, I feel sorry for the boy. And but

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Speaker 1: I feel also glad that that night the sulfuring of

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Speaker 1: the boy uh wasn't stopped thanks to you, Ranka puter.

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Speaker 1: Where is the little boy now? He's back with his

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00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: biological father. The biological father hadn't had much contact because

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00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: he said that his relationship with the biological mom the

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00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: swam was so stream. So if there's hopefully this is

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Speaker 1: a silver lining that this little boys fell back with

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Speaker 1: his biological father. He says he actually talked to miss

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Speaker 1: Carballo and he thanked her from the bottom of his

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00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: heart and said that what she did was amazing, so

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Speaker 1: woefully that that relationship gets better than This little boy

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00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: has some time to heal, be a little boy. If

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Speaker 1: you want to thank if Flaviani Caravallo, you can do

553
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: that by going to her go fund me site. You know, Flaviani,

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00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: people question, is God at work in our world? Are

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: there angels amongst us? And you have just affirmed that

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Speaker 1: over and over and over. God bless you. We pray

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00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: for this little boy and his life going forward. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Gray's Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,