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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 4: Bring it on, Break it.

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Speaker 3: On, touchdown saving pollin slamm the ground by fooda baker

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Speaker 3: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: H skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: All right right off the top. Here the over under

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Speaker 2: If we're looking for a Vegas polyprop bet around here,

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Speaker 2: let's see bleeps by Darren or costs by Danny. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure what is going to be the higher total.

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Speaker 2: I do know the last big red rage we had

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Speaker 2: in here last week there was a defensive lineman who

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Speaker 2: had to be bleeped three times into twelve minute interview.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how Danny's tracking with the cough over

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Speaker 2: here on Cardinals Underground. Danny, what do you think? What's

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Speaker 2: the forecast forget about Washington in the rain, what's the

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Speaker 2: forecast with your throat right now?

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Speaker 5: Look, I wasn't able to be on the podcast last

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Speaker 5: week because I was down bad with my cold, and

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Speaker 5: I was not going to miss it this week. So

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Speaker 5: I am fighting through. I've got a cough drop right now.

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Speaker 5: I've got some water next to me. I'm prepared to

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Speaker 5: So apologies and advance for all the listener.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, if nothing else, you know we're interrupting the

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Speaker 2: Dion Sanders hype train, and you know we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk some football. Did you see the TV ratings, by

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Speaker 2: the way that came out, Just because I know you're

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Speaker 2: interested as an ASU guy there, Darren, they drew nearly

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Speaker 2: nine million viewers. I didn't want to bring this up

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Speaker 2: around Kyle Van and Boscher because Colorado Jack stopped dis

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Speaker 2: Alma Modern Nebraska, and I might have taken a straight

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Speaker 2: right from KVB and I would not be here right now.

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Speaker 2: It would be a lot worse than Danny's cough. Let's

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Speaker 2: put it that way. They drew nearly nine million viewers,

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Speaker 2: the best Pac twelve regular season game ever on Fox

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Speaker 2: terms of ratings, and the second most stream college football

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Speaker 2: the way, I have a bonus theory on Dion Sanders

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Speaker 2: and how it might relate to the NFL and it

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Speaker 2: might relate to the Cardinals week two opponent. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that a little bit later. Okay, that's coming up

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Speaker 2: on Cardinals Underground. First off, first impressions. What do you

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Speaker 2: I know an NFL network this morning I was watching,

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Speaker 2: they always talk about week one is a liar, meaning

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Speaker 2: you get a lot of false negatives, a lot of

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Speaker 2: false positives in week one. What do you think you

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Speaker 4: I mean, the first thing I'm gonna go with is

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Speaker 4: you know, I know a lot of people were disappointed

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Speaker 2: In fact, you probably won't see a quarterback that caliber

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Speaker 5: No, I agree the energy and aggression, although at times

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Speaker 5: Darren's trying to give me and my costs are coming.

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Speaker 5: On defense, I really liked the rotation with the D

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Speaker 5: Washington's offense does. But it did seem like that rotation

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Speaker 2: So you guys are a lot more connected to social

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Speaker 2: not expect to see that sort of approach to offense

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Speaker 2: thought the most telling thing that Jonathan Gannas said after

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Speaker 2: and I expect to make a huge jump, especially situationally.

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Speaker 2: Care to translate that football to English darren a media

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Speaker 2: I mean even the Montes Sweats strip sack that was

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Speaker 4: Did I think it was egregious? No? I did think

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Speaker 5: Oh it sounds like I am unfortunately siding with Darren

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Speaker 5: over Paul on this one. I agree. I don't see

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Speaker 5: any sort of upside that is more significant than starting

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Speaker 5: Josh Stobbs by going with Clayton Tune. Josh Stobbs only

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Speaker 5: This is somebody who is still mobile and what this

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Speaker 4: I'm starting to worry. I'm gonna have sympathy coughs here.

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Speaker 2: I think it's three to one right now. Costs versus

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Speaker 2: you a little bit, all right. So look, if this

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Speaker 2: a quarterback beef here with Darren and you know, hashtag

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Speaker 2: there will be blood. But truth of the matter is,

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Speaker 4: No? Okay, you're saying, do you think that the change

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Speaker 2: So, Okay, what does that mean is that to what

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Speaker 4: For me, the thing about this conversation is, and I

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Speaker 4: completely understand where you're coming from and what you're saying,

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Speaker 4: Clayton Tune In the game, you.

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Speaker 5: Gave up a fifth round pick. You're not gonna do

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Speaker 5: because you you made that decision knowing you were gonna

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Speaker 2: So we all saw the Minnesota joint practices where you

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Speaker 2: to accuracy than what we saw from Josh Dobbs in

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Speaker 2: I get it. But Bud, if you're gonna run a

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Speaker 2: I thought Josh Dobbs looked his best late second quarter.

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Speaker 2: He made two straight completions to Trey McBride and both

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Speaker 4: Well, and it's I don't know, there's a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Really I mean it was a little bit up and down.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I think problem we saw overall was

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Speaker 4: do I think that that's how Josh os plays all

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess we're gonna find out. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm with you in terms of at some point I'm

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Speaker 4: But again, as we look down the road, you know

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Speaker 4: I'm not starting Clayton tune against the Cowboys. I'm not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you get Cincinnati and the Rams, so you

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Speaker 5: At that point, how far off is Kyler Murray from

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Speaker 5: attorney right?

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Speaker 4: Well, fingers crossed?

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Speaker 5: And then that could go either way. Let's say you

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Speaker 5: week eight and you have one week? Is that a

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Speaker 5: good idea to see what you have in Clayton tune?

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Speaker 5: If you know it's only one game before Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's going to be a lot of question

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Speaker 2: Look, there were two problems in offense as far as

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Speaker 2: I see it. No downfield passing attack, yes, I think

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: He did know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think so anybody care to answer that? In

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Speaker 4: I mean again without knowing from the coach. I part

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Speaker 4: four of your negative plays right there with counter Ingram. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, zach Ertz told the media after

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Speaker 2: Kelviy's to consulting the polypickskin division. Here's what I would do.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's that's about as subjective as it gets. I

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Speaker 2: If it's in your hands, if you you know how

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Speaker 2: they're still trying to figure out if they have two

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Speaker 2: nobody's calling out Washington's old line is one of the

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Speaker 2: best in the league. But Giants are going to be

437
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Speaker 2: undermanned and depleted, so we'll see. I mean, how much

438
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Speaker 2: are we believing Danny, come on, how much are we

439
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Speaker 2: believing in this rotation of edge rushers and what we

440
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: saw in Week one? Because six sacks has them number

441
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Speaker 2: two in the NFL behind Dallas was seven.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to contradict myself and say I believe a

443
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Speaker 5: lot more than I did seven days ago. And I'm

444
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Speaker 5: also going to say I need to see more than

445
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Speaker 5: one week to give you a true answer. Just what

446
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 5: you talked about on Washington's offensive line and how their

447
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 5: offense is set up, it's a great start. I was

448
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Speaker 5: very surprised there was pressure and disruption, not only with

449
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Speaker 5: the sacks. I thought there was good coverage, some good

450
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Speaker 5: PPUs Kee, Trew Clark and Marco Wilson as your cornerback's

451
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Speaker 5: in a nice job. Limiting to John Dotson and Terry McLaurin.

452
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Speaker 5: It seemed, with the exception of penalties. For the most part,

453
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Speaker 5: it seemed clean and cohesive. There were guys flying around,

454
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Speaker 5: I mean Kaiser White, Kvon Wallace who just joined the team.

455
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Speaker 5: It seemed like everybody was on the same page. It

456
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Speaker 5: didn't seem like tackling was an issue, which sometimes you

457
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Speaker 5: see in the preseason, and so sometimes you see at

458
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Speaker 5: the beginning of the season of your starters not getting

459
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Speaker 5: a lot of those reps. Just from a first game

460
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Speaker 5: with all of your starters in this defense and having

461
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Speaker 5: new pieces, it was a lot better than what I

462
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Speaker 5: was what I was expecting.

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Speaker 4: For me, especially with the outside linebackers. I think what

464
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Speaker 4: really struck me is like, you know how they're always

465
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Speaker 4: talking about how if somebody next man up and you

466
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Speaker 4: can't have this drop off like when they rotated somebody.

467
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Speaker 4: I mean, it felt like everybody was producing something, and

468
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Speaker 4: you know they don't have in his prime Chandler Jones

469
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Speaker 4: necessarily in that room. But I thought Dennis Gardak obviously

470
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Speaker 4: played very well, but I thought Victor d. Mccagey played

471
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Speaker 4: very well. Like they were getting something no matter who

472
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Speaker 4: they were putting out there, which is unique in a

473
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Speaker 4: lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: And there's always someone different coming off that edge when

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Speaker 2: you're rotating guys. Dennis Gardak is a vastly different body

476
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Speaker 2: type and skill set than Zae and Collins. Yes, who's

477
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Speaker 2: very different than b j o Jalai, who was very

478
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Speaker 2: different than a Victor D. Mucage, you know, just sort

479
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Speaker 2: of a raging bowl type of guy. And so if

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Speaker 2: you're bringing different edge rushers with different skill sets in

481
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Speaker 2: all the time, then the offensive lineman can't get a

482
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Speaker 2: bead and they can't get locked in on one guy,

483
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Speaker 2: and then you have the fresh legs factor and they're like, man,

484
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Speaker 2: I'm only gonna get a couple dozen snaps in this game.

485
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Speaker 2: I better make them count. They're not biding their time

486
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Speaker 2: that saying, Okay, I'm gonna set this guy up. I'll

487
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Speaker 2: sort of brother in law here on first and second down,

488
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Speaker 2: but I'll bring it on third down. No, those guys

489
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Speaker 2: were because I think there's also the competition factor, not

490
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Speaker 2: even against the offensive line, but within that same room.

491
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Speaker 2: They realized there's so many guys in that room, and

492
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Speaker 2: my Jay Sanders is coming back. What's the future. Could

493
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Speaker 2: there be a musical chairs and one guy's left standing

494
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Speaker 2: At some point this season, Iberger, get out there and

495
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Speaker 2: work and the rookie.

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Speaker 5: B j Ojalari had I believe eighteen snaps. You would

497
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Speaker 5: expect that his workload will increase the healthier and more

498
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Speaker 5: comfortable he gets, because even if he's fully healthy, right,

499
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 5: he didn't have an off season out on the field,

500
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Speaker 5: at least recovering from that knee injury. So you're right,

501
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Speaker 5: there's still a lot of question marks of how is

502
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Speaker 5: this defense, specifically the outside linebackers, how are they going

503
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Speaker 5: to progress throughout the season, and how are they going

504
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Speaker 5: to continue to use this rotation. It is so interesting

505
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Speaker 5: that we didn't feel like there was a drop off

506
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Speaker 5: considering this was Xavin Collins' first game full time outside

507
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 5: Dennis Gardeck for the last year or two has not

508
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Speaker 5: had this type of role because he's been playing behind

509
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Speaker 5: a Chandler Jones and a Marcus Golden, and he took

510
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Speaker 5: advantage of that. We saw sparks of camp to last

511
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Speaker 5: year and he had that scoop and score. Victor do

512
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Speaker 5: McCage like every single guy made the most when they

513
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: were out there, Lucky Foe too, Carlos Walkins like that.

514
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Speaker 5: That's what you want to see. So again week one,

515
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Speaker 5: it feels good to have this surprise by the defense

516
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Speaker 5: as a whole. Give me a couple of weeks before

517
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Speaker 5: I give you my final answer, especially with the next

518
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Speaker 5: few opponents.

519
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Speaker 4: Paul, she wants her cough to go away too.

520
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that too, please, it's three to two right now.

521
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Speaker 2: Actually that that was so big in my count twice.

522
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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll get a review on that one.

523
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Speaker 5: Back I finished my cough drop, I forgot to bring

524
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Speaker 5: down another.

525
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Speaker 2: Speaking of using the bleep button, it was L. J.

526
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Speaker 2: Collier on The Big Red Rage last week and he said,

527
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Speaker 2: when asked about the outside noise and the doubters and

528
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: the naysayers, and uh he said, quote, I feel like

529
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Speaker 2: we're going to show the world we're more than what

530
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Speaker 2: they say we are. And then he sort of had

531
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Speaker 2: this edge to them the whole interview. I mean, some

532
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: of those guys are easily triggered by what's being said

533
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: about the defense and how they are bidding to be

534
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: the league worst, you know, entering week one, and a

535
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: lot of disrespect out there for the defense, and so

536
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, they had a lot to play for. And

537
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: then don't ever discount the whole. The other team gets

538
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: a lot of pub for a certain position. Room and

539
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: that counterpart on the Cardinals roster feels disrespected, and LJ.

540
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: Collier acknowledges much, Yeah, we're well aware they got four

541
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Speaker 2: first round picks. And then he said, hey, Montes, Sweat

542
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: was taking two bicks out of me. I'm a former

543
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Speaker 2: first round pick. Let that trail a little bit. And

544
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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I mean, going in, we had no

545
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: idea wasn't gonna happ but I'm like, the edge is

546
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Speaker 2: going to be there, the energy is going to be there,

547
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: and you know what, that's more than we can say

548
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: at all times during the last four years. I mean,

549
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Speaker 2: there were some performances like that road trip to Detroit

550
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: two years ago where they were away. They got off

551
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: that team bus and had nothing. I don't know much,

552
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: but I think I know this much. That's not gonna

553
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Speaker 2: happen this year.

554
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Speaker 5: I think you will learn a lot about this team

555
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 5: and how they respond this week. That was something we

556
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: talked about almost every week the last year to two seasons.

557
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 5: Actually in this podcast, studio was coming off a loss

558
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: and talking about how you could it felt like it

559
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 5: was lingering, and not just the following week, but even

560
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 5: during the game. It was easy to tell that the

561
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 5: Cardinals in the past when they were down and could

562
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: be counted out, counted themselves out. It didn't feel that way.

563
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 5: I know that. You know, Cardinals had the lead at

564
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 5: one point in this game, so they weren't ever truly

565
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 5: out of it, but it didn't feel like that throughout

566
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 5: the game. And I think you're going to learn a

567
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 5: lot about this team week two, going up against the Giants,

568
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: team that is better than what their record says, not

569
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 5: just their record, but getting shut out forty nothing and

570
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 5: your home open her to the Cowboys. I think you're

571
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 5: going to learn a lot about the mentality and the

572
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 5: culture that's been preached to us throughout the offseason with

573
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Speaker 5: this team and how they respond after a loss.

574
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Speaker 4: Look, the Giants were a team last year that a

575
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: lot of people were like, Okay, are they one of

576
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 4: those teams, which there's always a couple of those teams,

577
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: teams that make the playoffs, and like, okay, they were

578
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: never really that good. It's just they got to break Bikings.

579
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Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's my own call.

580
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 5: It doesn't count as my call, Branks, and.

581
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Speaker 4: They won some close games and all that stuff. That said,

582
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 4: the Giants are not a forty to nothing type of loser.

583
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Speaker 4: I mean, I keep thinking back when I saw that score.

584
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: I keep thinking back, and I don't remember what year

585
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: it was, but it was a year the Patriots ended

586
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: up winning the super Bowl. They lost thirty eight nothing

587
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: to the Buffalo Bills in Week one, and then they

588
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: ended up beating the Buffalo Bills thirty eight nothing in

589
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Speaker 4: Week seventeen.

590
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Speaker 2: So wasn't that the Onto Cincinnati game? Wasn't that? We're

591
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: after the game the Famous were onto Cincinnati.

592
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: I think that actually was earlier than that, because it

593
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 4: was all so a game they cut somebody, Because all

594
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: the stories after the first game was like Tom Jackson

595
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: went on ESPN and said Belichick had lost the locker room,

596
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: and this was like early on. This is the early

597
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: early oughts. So and I think On to Cincinnati was

598
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: more recent than that. So again, where I'm going with

599
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: this is, again it goes back to what you said, Paul.

600
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: Week one can be weird, But I'm super curious about

601
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: the Giants coming to town, the Cardinals getting their first

602
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 4: home game, what this team looks like at home. This

603
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: has not been a great home team, no, and the

604
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: schedule coming up is rough.

605
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: So the Giants are coming off their most lopsided opening

606
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: loss in the history of the New York Giants, the

607
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: worst regular season loss since nineteen seventy three against a

608
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Speaker 2: team in Dallas. They've now lost twelve of the last

609
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Speaker 2: thirteen against the Cowboys, five in a row. In the

610
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: last three meetings against Dallas, the Cowboys have had fifteen

611
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: sacks as a defense, Giants have had zero the bagel.

612
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean so, and every time over the years that

613
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: the Giants have played Dallas and a season opener, Dallas

614
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: has won ten out of eleven over the year, So

615
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 2: it's how are they going to respond? Was that telling

616
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: of what the Giants are all about this year? There

617
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: is speculation from those who cover the Giants on a

618
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: regular basis that in that locker room there might be

619
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: some drama over the fact that Daniel Jones got four years,

620
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty million, forty million per when he

621
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: threw fifteen touchdown passes last year and Saquon Barkley, the

622
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: heartbeat of that team and over sixteen hundred dollars purpose

623
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: Yards had to go to war just to get an

624
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: extra couple of million on a one year deal, could

625
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: not get the long term deal he wanted. So is

626
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: that speaking of locker rooms? Could that be an issue

627
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: on this Giants team. There's been open speculation among the line.

628
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Speaker 4: I impressed that you're already trying to stir the just

629
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: little stuff.

630
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Speaker 5: If I can't pay amice that the Giants are listening

631
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: to this podcast, he's trying to get in their head.

632
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 5: It's all, it's all a game.

633
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Speaker 2: Well another Darren is extinguished all the fun I was

634
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: having with a quarterback competition slash controversy. You know, he's

635
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: not you could you could have run with it. He's

636
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: not entertaining my reindeer game.

637
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: Side on the plane when I said Josh Dobbs should

638
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: stay in the lineup, and I'm like you and Wolf,

639
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: I felt like it was being bullied by the Van

640
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: Buren boys.

641
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: We should have got a passion to it because you know, Pash.

642
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: I think late in the game, Pash did wonder out

643
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: loud on the air. Okay, if there's more of this,

644
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: meaning you're not getting into the end zone, then will

645
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: there be a decision at quarterback? Will there be blood?

646
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: We'll see. But you know he's Dave can be a

647
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: little impatient. There's no doubt that's you know. By the way,

648
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: role reversal is really disturbing. On the team plane, Ron

649
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: Wolfley ordered the organic fruit plate with the yogurt side.

650
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: Usually that's Dave fruit plate territory. I was going in

651
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: and so I was, uh, why did you do that?

652
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: I was jarring. I almost got a wellness check for

653
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Ron Wolfley after that order on the team plane, but

654
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: he ended up being a okay as it turns out.

655
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 5: So I don't want to break a tooth or something.

656
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: That's right. You're right, soft fruit. That's good Danny.

657
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: For those listening, that's That's not a rude joke that

658
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 5: I'm calling. It's him having broken teeth. I want to

659
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 5: be clear to don't people think I'm taking an unnecessary

660
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: shot at wall.

661
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: No, you are. It's just just not because he's old,

662
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: just because he's had dental issues.

663
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: By the way, I have two theories, Which one do

664
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: you want? Do you want do you want the Cowboys

665
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: theory first come, considering they just jack stop the New

666
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: York Giants forty to nothing, or or do you want

667
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: the Cardinals theory as to what happened in the beginning

668
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: of the game of those persons?

669
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Speaker 4: To be honest, Paul I mean in our podcast, I

670
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: prefer all good content. So bring them both on.

671
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: Let's start with Dallas. Okay, since we were mentioning that

672
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: Dallas defense that stymy New York by the way, after

673
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: the game, Michael Parson said, quote, I think we made

674
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: the statement which I've been trying to make, quote, were

675
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: the best defense in the National Football League. End quote

676
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons. So he's already stirring that pot big time.

677
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: And you know what he's flexing after a forty to

678
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: nothing win where they had seven sacks and they had

679
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones twelve times, and if they're missing two of

680
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: their top three tackles, what does that mean for a

681
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: Cardinals defense that just had six sacks themselves? Dot dot

682
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: That's fair. Okay, So there's the connection there. I'm thinking

683
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: the other reason the Dallas Cowboys balled out, it wasn't

684
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: just they got to pick six and they got a

685
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: block field goal return for a touchdown, then they could

686
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: go hunting the rest of the game with a fourteen

687
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: to nothing lead. I'm thinking it's this whole Deon Sanders thing,

688
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: the way Dion is tracking and the way everyone knows

689
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones if Dallas and Mike McCarthy don't perform, don't perform.

690
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 2: Do you not think that Jerry Jones does not have

691
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: half an eye on Dion? I mean, for sure, if

692
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys come out of the gate struggling this

693
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: year and underwhelming everybody, Dion could be the head coach

694
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: by the Thanksgiving game in prime time at the so,

695
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: I think Mike McCarthy and his staff are coaching their

696
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: tails off because they see Dion out there on the horizon.

697
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: He's on Jerry Jones radar, and the players are thinking, well,

698
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: what does Dion do? Every time he has a coaching

699
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: stop Scorched Earth, he gets rid of all the players,

700
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: He changes out the entire locker room. So you know what,

701
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and win some games to keep this

702
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: coaching staff and keep Dion away.

703
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: I mean, that's lovely, Fairy Paul. I mean one coaching

704
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: the NFL and coaching college is totally different, right, Cliff Kingsbury.

705
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: And also, you can't just go Scorched Earth with wear

706
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: Earth with the roster, you yeah, and there's cap implications

707
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 4: and all that stuff.

708
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a transfer portal. I don't in

709
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: the NFL.

710
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: I don't see that, not soon.

711
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me let me that's good. I'll start

712
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: with the more outlandish one. Now, I'll give you the

713
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: one that I think might actually get some real traction

714
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: as to what we saw early in that game. When

715
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: you saw on the same opening drive a pair of

716
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: personal fouls lowering the helmet to initiate contact. Was that

717
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: was that the foul?

718
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what they were. That's what they called. Yes.

719
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: Look, the first one was real easy. Thou shalt not

720
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: hit the quarterback too hard or the officials will find

721
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: a way to flag you. That's the way it is.

722
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 5: And the actually that official was also hit. See he

723
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 5: threw that flag. He was lying down. He sat up

724
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 5: and just threw the.

725
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Flag and then went back down on his backside. Uh yeah,

726
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, it was cam Cox was in the

727
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: middle of that shooting. I told cam I told the camera,

728
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: I wish you hell yeah. And I told him he

729
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: was right in the fray there. I mean, he almost

730
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: took a haymaker to the to the chin, and uh,

731
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, I told him I would have had his

732
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: back on the sideline course. I was lying, There's no

733
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: way I'm getting in there between three hundred pounders. But

734
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: you know, anyway, do you think just by chance that

735
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: maybe there was a point of emphasis from that crew

736
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: to this coaching staff based on the fact how many

737
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: times in the off season Jonathan Gannon is a big

738
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: quartered the same we want a violent brand of football.

739
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: Of course he means in a physical way. And then

740
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: when the clip that went viral about I want killers

741
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: on this roster, maybe just maybe that officiating crew had

742
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: it in their mind.

743
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: You know what.

744
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: A lah Cliff Kingsbury twenty nineteen and his debut when

745
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: he tried to introduce the clap cadence to the NFL

746
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: from the clap snap from the college game, and the

747
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: officials cracked down on that. Maybe just maybe the officials

748
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: were intent on anything that's close to being too physical

749
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Speaker 2: to be in quote emblematic of killers. Uh, you're going

750
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: to get a fifteen yard penalty, just saying, I mean,

751
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: it's it's possible.

752
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure those officials have Twitter and saw that.

753
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: I don't.

754
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's necessarily what happened, just with

755
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: the penalties that were called of you said that Kaiser

756
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 5: White one was pretty clear they also.

757
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: Have email with Park Avenue just wondering.

758
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: I I can't completely dismiss these considerations. Here's what I

759
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: didn't understand with the with the howl one like, did

760
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 4: he lead? I didn't. I never saw a clean replay

761
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: did he lead with his helmet?

762
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: The replay I saw inconclusive at best. In fact, I

763
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: thought both Jalen Thompson and Kysie White led with the

764
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: shoulder pad.

765
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: You still can't hit the guy in the head.

766
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: I get it. But it wasn't ruled helmet to helmet. No,

767
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: it was ruled lowering the helmet. So I mean, even

768
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: if you lead with the shoulder, but you end up

769
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: making helmet to helmet contact, you're going to get flagged.

770
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: But that wasn't the call on that drive.

771
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: The three penalties. It was sixty seven yards and what

772
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: was a ninety one yard scoring drive for Washington. Because

773
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: the game is happening so fast, Yes, you have to

774
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: be smart. Yes, these rules are in place for the

775
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: safety of the players. Those are like those bang bang

776
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 5: plays where like it is a blit second decision even

777
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: if you aren't. You were lowering your head, but you're

778
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 5: not trying to go helmet to helmet. It's not that

779
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with those, but you could

780
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 5: understand those. The problem is that you had nine penalties

781
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 5: for one hundred and twenty two yards. So these were

782
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: not standalone instances. This was constant throughout the game. And

783
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 5: it wasn't just on defense, it was on offense as well.

784
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: It was the team as the whole. And that's the

785
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 5: problem is you want to play aggressive and you want

786
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 5: to play violent, but you have to play within the

787
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 5: lines and you have to be smart about that. And

788
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: even those nonviolent penalties, that was something that we didn't

789
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: see in the preseason, so we didn't necessarily think it

790
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 5: was going to be a problem. Maybe it's not a problem,

791
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: Maybe this is a one week thing. Locker room postgames,

792
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 5: aman Collins told me I'd rather have our team have

793
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: to work on penalties than schematic errors because penalties are

794
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 5: easier to fix. So you need to see a significant

795
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 5: change this week when it comes to penalties, because that

796
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 5: was just not a decision making.

797
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: It's true. I mean, if we were hearing the words

798
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: gap integrity and the Cardinals had just given up two

799
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: hundred yards rushing, that's much more of a problem than

800
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: some penalty flags that are imminently correctable. Right, I'm thinking

801
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: like Bob the Builder. You know, I can fix that.

802
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: I can fix that, Bob the Builder, that meme that's

803
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: out there for us old guys. You know, the whole Spiccola.

804
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: You know.

805
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: You know, my dad's a TV repairman. I can fix it.

806
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: You know, I can figure he's got a killer set

807
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: of tools or the ultimate set of tools or whatever

808
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: it is. You know. So that's an old you can

809
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: fix it.

810
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: You not as old as Escape from New York.

811
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: But if I was smart, I would have cited, for example,

812
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: when I said, when I quoted Jonathan Gannon saying the

813
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: ball needs to come out a little quicker. Well, like,

814
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: for example, Will Hernandez was caught downfield right, illegal man downfield,

815
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: and that was a costly penalty that wiped out a

816
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: big game. Great play, too, great play. But so you

817
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: know stuff like that, they're okay, all right, But once

818
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: you get into the rhythm with the quarterback and you

819
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: have an expectation as to how quickly that ball is

820
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: or is not going to come out, then okay, then

821
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: maybe you know that's eminently correctable. I don't know, but

822
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: beyond that, you know, I started the TV show this

823
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: week with the head coach saying, okay, Cardinals did not

824
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: get the win, but did they get everyone's attention and

825
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: meaning you know, and he didn't really answer it. He

826
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to say anything, you know, go on a

827
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: bolton board, But I mean, Kamani, did the Cardinals not

828
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: get everyone's attention? At least with that defensive performance? I

829
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: think they did that exceeded everybody's expectations.

830
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: Players and the coaches aren't going to do the whole

831
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: moral victory thing, but we can to a certain extent,

832
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: and I understand the disappointment, but we also understand on

833
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: the outside here what the expectations were, what they are

834
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 4: kind of where this team is headed and what they're

835
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 4: trying to do. And you know, that was my thought

836
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: going to the game. I'm like, I don't know if

837
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: they're gonna win or lose, but you want them to

838
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: compete and that you want them to play hard, and

839
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 4: they did those things, and you know, you got to

840
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 4: you gotta get better on some of this stuff. For sure.

841
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 4: It's funny they committed all those penalties, and we've talked

842
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: about the pre snap penalties in the Cliff Kingsbury are

843
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 4: but at least those are only five yards that a cracked,

844
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: you know, And I think they're going in a direction

845
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: at least what we saw that you want them to

846
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: go in. Now we can go back to all the

847
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 4: other stuff we talked about, the Josh Dobbs and getting

848
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: the offense better and all that stuff. But there and

849
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: they are going to play more difficult teams. They're playing

850
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: more difficult teams over the next month than they did

851
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: in the first one.

852
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: But if you go back to week eighteen, I shared

853
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: this memory with Craig Grielou and Cards Cover too. It

854
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: was the Wednesday before the season finale last year at

855
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: San Francisco, a lost season, and somebody, a media guy

856
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: said to James Carr, James, what are you playing for

857
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: in this last game? You know? And and Connor looked

858
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: at stared down the reporter. I forget who it was,

859
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: and said, some respect. If you can give me that

860
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: attitude for seventeen games this year, then okay. I don't

861
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: know what's the realistic expectation in terms of win loss,

862
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: but if they're going to go out there at least

863
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: earn everyone's respect and the opponent's respect, and I do

864
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: think we can say that that the Cardinals went out

865
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: there in Week one and at least earned some respect

866
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: for that defense. Right, You play don't win the game, Right,

867
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Speaker 2: I get it. I'm just saying, you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: going to stay, but play it, just to play it.

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Speaker 2: A defense like that keeps you in the game, at

870
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: least so while you're waiting for Kyler Murray to come back,

871
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: while you're trying to figure out what the identity of

872
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: this and what the you know, realistic expectation is for

873
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: the skill set of the current quarterback crew. Then okay,

874
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: beyond that, I don't you know, I don't know, and

875
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: maybe you know. We'll see. We'll see how the Giants

876
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: respondals goes against that Dallas defense. And then of course

877
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: you get the forty nine Ers who went and then

878
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: schooled the Pittsburgh Steelers. You realize that was the worst

879
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: home loss in the Mike Tomlin era by the Steelers.

880
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: What the Niners went in and did to the Steelers

881
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 2: and Kenny Pickett, I think it's.

882
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: Pretty fair to say brock peraries for real.

883
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: Do you see him flex the whole thing with Patrick

884
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: Peterson after the game.

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00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 5: I'm surprised we've gone this long in the podcast, without

886
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 5: Paul's conspiracy theory that maybe Tom Brady would be heading

887
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 5: to New York.

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00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: No, is that out there?

889
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was out there as soon as he

890
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 4: got hurt.

891
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, you know, the most embarrassing thing has happened

892
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: here so far in the football season is my buddy,

893
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: who's a member of the media, texted me earlier today,

894
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even bring this up. Forget. I'm not even

895
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: gonna bring it up.

896
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 5: That's We're gonna make us beg for it.

897
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: Asking about the Cardinals maybe trading a quarterback to the Jets.

898
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 5: Oh, Paul Man, that's not That's not what I got.

899
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 5: I got a message from a friend who's a Jets fan.

900
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 5: Now I feel like this is something I shouldn't be saying.

901
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: Now I'm listening.

902
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: I just got Kalist gets away with this stuff all

903
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 2: the time.

904
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 5: I just I got a message that said it's a

905
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 5: race for Caleb Williams and that made me laugh.

906
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: See, I think the Jets, I mean, the Jets are

907
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: gonna be They're not going to be a bad team.

908
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: They're gonna be what they were lacked year, which was

909
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: kind of middling, and if they could really push it forward,

910
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: they can. The problem is the AFC has got so

911
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 4: many good teams. That's what your problem is. Right now.

912
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: The Jets have more in common with the Cardinals right

913
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: now than we ever thought they would. Meaning that I

914
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: heard Rex Ryan meaning they're gonna have to win with defense,

915
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: at least for now until they figure out the quarterbacks.

916
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: I heard Rex Ryan was on the Dan Patrick last

917
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: week and he called this Jets defense way better than

918
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: any defense he had when those two Jets teams went

919
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: to the AFC Championship games and back to back years

920
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: with Mark Sanchez as quarterback, just because they were so

921
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 2: dominant on defense. He said, this Jets defense is way

922
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: beyond what his defense was, which I found shocking. So, okay,

923
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: can you figure out a way to win games with

924
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: that formula, because I think that's what the Cardinals are

925
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: doing right now. They're gonna have to figure out a

926
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: way to win with defense and figure out how limited

927
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: the offense is at this point.

928
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: But you have the pieces on offense to create success.

929
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: I think a lot of that. Not to just put

930
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 5: all the blame on one person, but you got to

931
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: figure out you got to get this quarterback comfortable and

932
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 5: start getting that ball down the field. It's not to

933
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: so you don't have the weapons who can make that happen.

934
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: But again, the Jets have some weapons, right, That's what

935
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean sort of we'll see, we'll see what happens.

936
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: Folk Tale season three. Yes, this has to do with

937
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: the uniforms, which, by the way, was interesting.

938
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: Because the first episode has to do with you.

939
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cardinals were wearing the all red uniforms in Washington. Yeah,

940
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: because Washington said, okay, obviously the home team has a choice, right,

941
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: and they said, all right, earlier in that week had

942
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: been almost one hundred degrees, so they're like, you know

943
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: what we're not, you know, we're gonna go with the

944
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: white jerseys at home and all that. So, all right,

945
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: what this first inaugural episode of season three. What's the

946
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: best way to describe it, Darren?

947
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's just gonna be a look back

948
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: on I mean, this team has been around for more

949
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: than one hundred years, so the uniforms have gone through

950
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: a number of changes, and a brief look at, you know,

951
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 4: kind of what they've gone through through the years, especially

952
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: now that they've got yet another uh incarnation uh that

953
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 4: they're wearing the season so that that'll be the first

954
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Speaker 4: of like I said, six episodes of the trailer is

955
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: going to be available, uh Tuesday evening. I'm both social

956
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 4: and Azycardinals dot com and you can kind of check

957
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: out all the all the episodes that are to come

958
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: this season.

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00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: So are we're going back to the days of the

960
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: leather helmet?

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Speaker 4: Like?

962
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: What what's going on?

963
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: No? I don't think it's going to be quite that. Uh,

964
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 4: just kind of talking about the history about a little

965
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: bit and maybe get a little bit of a look

966
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Speaker 4: of of what's.

967
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: There, gotcha? Okay? All right, so that'll all be on display,

968
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: big Red against the big blue. You know, that's the

969
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: way they're going to That's the way they used to

970
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: build it back in the NFC. E stays, this is

971
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: like an NFC start back in the day when the

972
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: Cardinals were in that division, right because.

973
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: The next before the this is the first time the

974
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: Cardinals have played three straight NFC East opponents to start

975
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 4: this the year since nineteen ninety three, and they were

976
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: in the They were in the NFC East almost another

977
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: decade after that.

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Speaker 2: So right, so all right, by the way, do you

979
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: see the headline in the New York Post after the

980
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Giants got Jack Stamp forty to nothing instead of big Blue.

981
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: It was a big, screaming headline that said big boo,

982
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: b oh oh clever.

983
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 5: What that's clever.

984
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: It was just the way you said that. I'm looking

985
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 4: at Paul and you're just it's very sarcastic clever.

986
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 5: I gotta say, how should I say it?

987
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 4: Well, no, you can say it however you want. You

988
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: just need to understand that some of the things you say,

989
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: just your natural way just comes off.

990
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: It hurt my feelings. It's gonna take me. It's gonna

991
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: take me a week to recover the.

992
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 4: Way come up with it. You're just repeating it.

993
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: Danny's reaction hurt my feelings. I thought I thought it

994
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: was a worthwhile nugget.

995
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: It was.

996
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: It was deemed otherwise, and it's cool not not the

997
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: not the not what I wanted to end the podcast on.

998
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Uh, check out the scoreboard.

999
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: I think you guys ended up tied three costs to

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00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: three bleats, so that still continue into week three.

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Speaker 4: Cody, you need me to cuss?

1002
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Hoh, you know what does it count if I cuss?

1003
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Speaker 2: Because I really am on the verge of doing exactly that,

1004
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: so I'll save myself and just end it here. Cardinals

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