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Speaker 1: In the midst of the historic peace process taking place

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Speaker 1: ground truth today on the David Rutherford Show. All Right, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I know, if you're like me, you've absolutely been enthralled

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Speaker 1: with all the news that's coming out of the European Union,

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Speaker 1: coming out of the Trump administration, coming out of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: In this quest that Trump has been making since day one,

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Speaker 1: the lead up he said, I'm gonna get in week one,

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Speaker 1: we've been watching play out where these poor young men

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Speaker 1: day out. Well, I had this incredible opportunity. I was

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Speaker 1: contacted online by a gentleman who goes by Aladdin on

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Speaker 1: X mister Stephen all body, and he reached out and

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Speaker 1: he just had a drone strike hit about a quarter

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Speaker 1: nine thirty at night. Steven Man, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for taking time out of your insane schedule getting the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Dave, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I've been watching you for quite a while right now

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Speaker 3: and and Shelley, I actually discovered you on Sean Ryan

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Speaker 3: show That's wild to show you have an incredible life,

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Speaker 3: So I decided to follow you on x and see

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Speaker 3: what you're all about. I've been showing like watching your

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for me is just to

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Speaker 1: and then why you felt compelled to fly over and

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Speaker 1: how do those how does your life and that come together?

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to make it very quick because we

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Speaker 2: So we got about like an hour and a half

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Speaker 1: He says, what not could be actual drone hitting where

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Speaker 2: So man, I just I just yeah, I'd rather go

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Speaker 3: I started as a linguists back in two thousand and

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Speaker 3: So I've been a US citizen for quite a while.

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Speaker 3: So I went back as a contractor. Then I became

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Speaker 3: the election. Politics had a lot to do with it,

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Speaker 3: and it's crazy story. Maybe we can do another show talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that when you're not when you got

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I deployed multiple times Iraq, Afghanistan and all

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Speaker 3: I had of deep feelings about it, To be honest

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Speaker 3: That's basically our time has has come. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you lived it. You lived it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is actually a matter of fact, the Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: There was about one hundred thousand they left already, but

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Speaker 1: Absolutely would never want you to compromise their tactical realities

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Speaker 3: on the ground count it, make sure it's actually going

439
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: to the military units that's supposed to be going to,

440
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: and I believe they can take their land back and

441
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: push Russia all the way back to Russia.

442
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

443
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what kind of force do you think they

444
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: need to have to be able to do that? Are

445
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: we talking three hundred thousand troops in this fight or

446
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: is it just just the web Because you're gonna need

447
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna need mass numbers because that's what Russia has

448
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: right now. They have what seems to be just an

449
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: endless supply of young men that they can send out

450
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: into that meat grinder. And there's like it seems like

451
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: I've heard as much as five to one is what

452
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: the like?

453
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: What it is like last week, I'm on a bunch

454
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: of OCN sail like from different groups here on the ground.

455
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: Russia lost twenty plus thousand people. Wow, and just five

456
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: days wow. Like literally I was loading up on the

457
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: train from Kief to Odessa, uh to nights ago and

458
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: I get the notification.

459
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: It was like.

460
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: During these few battles going on at the front, Russia

461
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: lost twenty plus thousand people and the Ukrainian lost about

462
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: three four thousand. So yeah, they're still heavy casualties. But yeah,

463
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's about five to one ish ratio. But

464
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: Russia has obviously a country of one hundred and fifty

465
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: million people plus you get it. You got North Korea

466
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: jumped in. Actually I did see North Korean IDs and

467
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: uniforms oh wow, Yeah, because I went to the World

468
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: War Two Museum and they had dedicated a few sections

469
00:29:50,520 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: one to the US volunteers and they're all a private rangers,

470
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: Green Bereys Skills.

471
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Speaker 2: Died over there.

472
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: Actually I cried because I saw my country, my countrymen.

473
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Speaker 1: Wow.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's actually.

475
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Speaker 3: Again emotional a bottle right now, viz yeah, man, uh,

476
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: I don't care about the politics of it. Those are

477
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: US citizens, Those our brothers and sisters, Yeah, died for

478
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Speaker 3: what they.

479
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Speaker 2: Believe it's right and yep uh And.

480
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Speaker 1: Well it's funny, man, those are the moments where there's

481
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Speaker 1: nobility and death, you know, even in the face of

482
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Speaker 1: you know, war. And the older I get, the more

483
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: I the more it it it' I'm repulsed at how

484
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: whimsical those in power wage war to the detriment of

485
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Speaker 1: of us who seem to have to be the ones

486
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Speaker 1: who engage in it. But there is some nobility and

487
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: volunteering for what you to believe, believe is an existential threat,

488
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: right and there, and that is and we've seen that

489
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: throughout human history, and those battles and those people who

490
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: stand their ground against Goliath, right, those those are there's

491
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: a nobility in that and I and I like, do

492
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Speaker 1: you do you feel that uh in the people around you,

493
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: that they that this is a noble endeavor? And then

494
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: and then have you run into people that are like, no,

495
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: this is the dumbest thing ever in the world.

496
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be doing this. And not not even one person. Wow, yeah,

497
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: not even one person. I've I've talked to men, women,

498
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: young people, old, young, different ages.

499
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Speaker 2: Uh, they are not giving up.

500
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Speaker 3: They every person I spoke to, they were like, they're

501
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: indiscriminately targeting civilians, kids, apartment complexes. And it's like if

502
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: Russia thinks they're going to break our spirit, matter of fact,

503
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: they made it even stronger just because they're daily and

504
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: indiscriminately attacking kids, playgrounds, schools, apartment complexes. And like a

505
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: few days ago, there's town called Ornople. It's actually on

506
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: the Polish border. There's a drone hit and killed. Last

507
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: time I checked, I haven't checked the updated story, but

508
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: it was thirty two people, six kids died. Yeah, beautiful

509
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: and beautiful kids and one a mom with her two childs,

510
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: just like they just disintegrated. And and it's and this

511
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: is happening daily and show Nihev it's another town east

512
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: of northeast of Kiev. They're being getting hit the past

513
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: three days hard, and a bunch of people died already.

514
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: Having checked, I'm probably gonna go there next after Odessa

515
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: because the past few days they got attacked massively. So

516
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: hopefully I can get over there and and get some

517
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: video from videos of the civilian buildings who got hit.

518
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Why not.

519
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: Ah, but these people are like the spirit they have

520
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 3: is unbelievable, unbelievable. It's it reminds me by the spirits

521
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: of the American people after the nine to eleven attack. Okay, yeah,

522
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: how we Americans got unified against oursim and that's where

523
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: they at. It's that was their moment, that's their nine

524
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: to eleven basically, right, Yeah, So that's the it's basically

525
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: the same thing happened back in two thousand and one

526
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: two Americans. Everybody unified against terrorism, and that's where the

527
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: Ukrainians are right now.

528
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: And that's the best well that can I can describe it.

529
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: That's fantastic to hear, because you know, you you get

530
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: fed so many stories of recent stories about there's an

531
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: inside schism in you in Zelensky's senior leadership there's people

532
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: vying to try and figure out how to get him

533
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: out of control or get him out of power. Are

534
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: you hearing anything like that from higher ranking sources or

535
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: government personnel that you're talking to. Is is there a

536
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: divide at the highest level in and around Zelensky right now?

537
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: There are some going on at the parliament level. But

538
00:34:54,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: I can tell you what a little nugget people doesn't know.

539
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: The military has a lot of influence on what's happening

540
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: in politics. So if the military actually wants the len

541
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: Ski out, uh, they will get him out. And if

542
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: they want him if they want to keep him in,

543
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: they will keep him in. And from my understanding is

544
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: the military leadership has significant amount of influence on what's

545
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: going to happen politically in the country.

546
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so that.

547
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's usually the way it works in

548
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: these kind of environments. You know, once the military kind

549
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: of establishes itself in these these uh, these regional wars,

550
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: they they have a tendency. I mean, we saw it

551
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: in Egypt after uh, the Arab spring, right, We've seen

552
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: it in a bunch of other countries where when that

553
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: when the country becomes destabilized usually it's that those internal

554
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: militaristic the military comes up in and gains power and

555
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: contains that. All right, let's back it out a little

556
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: bit for a little bit, just a few more questions

557
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: for you. Obviously, the peace process is going on, another

558
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: peace process hopefully UH this when we get to some

559
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: resolution here soon. But what what I saw just uh

560
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: a site released what they said from the telegram released

561
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: what they said was the European Union response. They're they're,

562
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: they're what they want to see in the peace process,

563
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: and in there, I mean, it's pretty pretty pretty. I mean,

564
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: it's like Ukraine membership in NATO based on an alliance,

565
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: a consensus within the alliance that supports them. Territorial negotiations

566
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Speaker 1: start uh from the current line and the control and

567
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: then uh, Ukraine will be fully reconstructed and compensated financially

568
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: through a Russian sovereign assets. And then you know, I

569
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: heard a woman at a representative at the UN basically said,

570
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: we're we're not negotiating any any of the territory that

571
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: we've lost the Russia.

572
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: That's not even on a play. We're not.

573
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: We're not gonna stop till that's about what we actually

574
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: need is just money so we can fight more efficiently,

575
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: i e. The weapons systems. And then Zelenski himself said

576
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: it's against the law for me to give up that land.

577
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: I would be going against my oath as president. So

578
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: it seems, you know, and then you look at the

579
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: Trump administration. Now Rubio is just banging his fist saying no,

580
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: things are progressing nicely. And then Trump, you know, over

581
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the last week or so, you know, one day's all

582
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: in for supporting Ukraine. The next minute he's like, you

583
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: know what, they can have at it, he and NATO

584
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: in European Union. They can go do what they want.

585
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm out.

586
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: And so that's got to be incredibly frustrating, I would

587
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: imagine for the Ukrainian people, who kind of feel like

588
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: all these external parties are the ones kind of calling

589
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: the shots. What do Ukrainians feel the negotiations should be

590
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: focused on, and who do they feel should be involved.

591
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: They definitely want to be involved directly into negotiations because

592
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: they want to play a key role into what's going

593
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: to happen in their own country.

594
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: And I understand that because.

595
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: If I were them, I don't want to be negotiated

596
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: on my behalf by somebody else. But at the same time,

597
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: obviously they are in the situation they are right now,

598
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: So that's why you've got all these external forces. But

599
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: at the same time, these people are extremely proud and

600
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: dignity is matters to them.

601
00:38:59,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: And.

602
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: If any piece deal happens, or some sort of a.

603
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: Settlement to this war happens, they don't want to feel undignified.

604
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: They want to maintain their dignity. And I respect that

605
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: and I understand that, and so that's what the sentiment are.

606
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: And in the street, everybody you talk to in the

607
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: street will be like, I don't want to be disrespected

608
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: and I don't want to lose my dignity. Plus, how

609
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: do you want us just to give our land? It's like,

610
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: that's our land. I was like you, just like no

611
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: one on the street, like regular people on the street.

612
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: I talked to every single one of them. They don't

613
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: want to give their land to Russia. They want their

614
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: land back. So I don't know how you settle that,

615
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I have no idea.

616
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I think that's got to be the most

617
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: challenging thing there is. I mean, obviously, you know Russia

618
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: now in its own wisdom. And if you listen into

619
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: you know what Pepper peppel Off or whatever. The president

620
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: and then the Secretary of State guy, you know, they're

621
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: all like, listen, this, this wouldn't happen if we didn't

622
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: feel like you were encroaching. So they want this protective

623
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: section that you know, it gives them a buffer from

624
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: launching attacks into them and all this, you know, and

625
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: to concede land that you've already gained. Man, there's not

626
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: a lot of examples in history where that took place,

627
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: for sure, and it's you know, that's I think the

628
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: crux of this whole thing is is that land that's

629
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: been captured?

630
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: All right?

631
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Speaker 1: Last question for you, what are you what are you

632
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: going to do as you continue to travel around the country.

633
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Is there a particular thing you're going to focus on

634
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: trying to learn about the people and about the environment

635
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: that's taking place, And can you describe what you're hoping

636
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: to accomplish in the next however many weeks you're going

637
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: to be there.

638
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: My plan originally to stay six months, and I've been

639
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: here for twenty days, so I have a long way

640
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: to go, and I'm trying to hit every city I

641
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: can to show the actual damages, specifically on civilian infrastructure,

642
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: not the creatical infrastructure like apartment complexes, schools, playgrounds and

643
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: stuff like that.

644
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: I just wanted to.

645
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: Understand what the Ukrainians suffering every day on the ground

646
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: by indiscriminate attacks, because when I came here, I found

647
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: out you cannot record and take pictures of military Insecurity

648
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: service infrastructure if it got hit or anything like that.

649
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: They don't want those footage obs and because they don't

650
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: want to show Russia.

651
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: I guess how much damage happened, yeah, BDA right.

652
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, your bdas yeah, and so militarily, yeah, I understand that,

653
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: and so I shifted focus on I was like, okay,

654
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: let me talk to the civilians and if I can

655
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: make it to the front line, that'll be cool. So

656
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to raise additional funds to get my actual

657
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: journalistic credentials.

658
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: Paid and.

659
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 3: Approved and so I can submit it to the Military

660
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: and Security Service, so I can get embedded with a

661
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: military unit to go to the front line to show

662
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: people what the trunches looks like. And I'll get to

663
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 3: that point when I get to it. And in the meantime,

664
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: I'm hitting different towns to show the daily drone attacks

665
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: and if they hit civilian buildings, I try to show

666
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: people who's like, there's to me, it's like a terroristic

667
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 3: tactics with Russia is doing. It's like if you're discriminately

668
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: or deliberately hiding civilians, you're trying to scare people into

669
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: submission and they're not.

670
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, if they lose, it's sad.

671
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: They do a funeral, everybody come together and whatnot, and

672
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: they go about their day next day, just like And

673
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: the same thing reminded me about a rock Afghanistan. They

674
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: lose people, funeral, you know, three days in Islam whatever

675
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: and after that they go about their business and move on.

676
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: And so same thing happening here and unbreakable spirit. Today

677
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: I was at the Black Sea and I went over

678
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: there to actually record a video because what the Russians

679
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: they were doing.

680
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: They were using sea mines.

681
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: And unchained so whatever the wave takes them and hoping

682
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: they get to the shorelines and hit people who are

683
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: swimming at the beaches and whatnot, and a bunch of

684
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: people died. And the last incident happened it was a

685
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: year ago where the last two women died from these

686
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: sea mine basically again sent to the shorelines.

687
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Two women died. The last two women died.

688
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: It was about a year ago until the Ukrainian navy

689
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: started hitting the fleet Sevastopol and the Russian had to

690
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: actually move their entire fleet from Sevastopol into a courch,

691
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: so basically on the other side of.

692
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Speaker 2: Crimea.

693
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: And so that's the tactics that Russians are using to

694
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: just indiscriminately killing, killing civilians.

695
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: And you're hearing the stories from this field.

696
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: It's it's heartbreaking, honestly, and it never gets easy. Like

697
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how many deployments you do. It doesn't

698
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: matter how many people you killed or how many death

699
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: you've seen. It's always the same thing. It breaks your heart.

700
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the older you get it

701
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: kind of like the worse it becomes, and like you

702
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: get more emotional about it.

703
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and.

704
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I'm doing right now, and hopefully

705
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: I just want to get the truth out.

706
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm not spinning anything. I don't have any agenda.

707
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: I just want to tell people these stories here and

708
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: move on my next my next one. I'm actually I'm

709
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: trying to go to Gaza and trying to My mission

710
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: is trying to expose the.

711
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: Hamas and who evil those people are.

712
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: Because when I when I was grow up, growing up

713
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: in Iraq, we used to call those guys like parasites.

714
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Yeah, and so yeah, I.

715
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: Think you're the way you describe it as with age,

716
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: you're you know, you become a little bit more empathetic,

717
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: even though you're more hardened by what you've seen in war. Right,

718
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Because what I look at is I just see what

719
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: I see as a veteran who's lost their limbs, who

720
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: lives with that. I'll see a mother who's lost their children,

721
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: or a new wife who's got two little children and

722
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: then their son's gone, and who live under the perpetual

723
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: thread of whatever side they're coming from. And man, it's

724
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: just I think those are the biggest news stories. I

725
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: think those are the stories that really mean the most

726
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: to tell the story of those affected by war at

727
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: the highest level. So Steven, I just commend you on

728
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I really appreciate you coming on here

729
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: and spending time with me. I'm really looking forward to

730
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: a follow up in a month or two.

731
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: If you want to come back home, I'd love to

732
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: have you.

733
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: If you find something new, and then when you get

734
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: back to the States, I'll have you on and we

735
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: can tell your whole story. I think that would be

736
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal to here. So I just want to wish

737
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: you but all the blessings in the world good luck,

738
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: stay safe, And why don't you tell everybody where they

739
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: can find you and follow you and pitching to help

740
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: with your work.

741
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

742
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a L L I D D I N

743
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three on X and same thing and on

744
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: I just started a YouTube channel, so I'm slowly uploading

745
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: videos from talking to people or doing basically walking around

746
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: here and stuff like that on YouTube. And also my

747
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: GoFundMe is spinned on my x and so you can

748
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: go over there and chip in if you can. And

749
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: also I promised you to break a story on your show.

750
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: You did, you did, I was. That's up to you.

751
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spoil your

752
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: own journalistic If you want to break it on your

753
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: own channel, I'm good with that. I just I'm happy

754
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: to have you share whatever.

755
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: You want to share it.

756
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll upload it or maybe I had it scheduled,

757
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: but I don't know if it went out on X

758
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: but or not. But actually walking around in Odessa and

759
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: I noticed in the Islamic Center and I saw a

760
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: building it looks like a mosque, and sure enough, I

761
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 3: went to the front of the building and it says

762
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: Islamic Center of Arabic Culture. And I started sniffing around.

763
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: I knocked on the door, nobody answered. I guess no

764
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: one in there. So I started sniffing around with the

765
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: locals who went on and come to find out, Muslim

766
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: Brotherhood affiliated through Turkish businessmen and shipping businesses. So there's

767
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: a lot of Turkish influence here and they do shipping business,

768
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: so they're very embedded with the Muslim Brotherhood.

769
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Speaker 2: So they got a foothold here. So and is that

770
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: what do.

771
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: You think that's for potentially established a relationship with the

772
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: Russians for inside attacks, for terrorist attacks, or probably or

773
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: to move in weapons or drones or.

774
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure there's a lot of that going on. Espionage, yep, spying,

775
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Also expansion of Islam, Yeah, yeah, and

776
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 3: we're seeing it for sure.

777
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing it. They're expanding heavily in the West.

778
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: But it seems like god, yeah, yeah, Trump's getting ready

779
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: to declare the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorists or international

780
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: terrorist organization, which is staggering that they haven't been considering

781
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: known about them since the seventies, right with the Blind

782
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Shake and and Zar Howie uh in the jails in

783
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: Egypt and then in Israel, I mean, blind Shake and

784
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: the Twin Towers. I mean, it's just remarkable that they've

785
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: been able to kind of weave in between those designations

786
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: for as long as they have.

787
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm surprised, but like even if he doesn't

788
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood has a terrorist organization. We got like

789
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: gazillion militia groups in Iraq right now, and of the

790
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 3: populace movement, like one of the isis uh almost took

791
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: over Iraq and so they established as the populist of

792
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 3: movement front. It was like a lot of those guys

793
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: heavily SHIAI obviously Muslim SHIAI, so they're not Sunnis, but

794
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: they're deeply embedded with Iran and and they're also deeply

795
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: embedded with his Bolla as well, and and and by

796
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: default they will operate with Sudnis to basically, an enemy

797
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: of my enemy is my friend. Basically, uh yeah, uh

798
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: so what are we gonna do about that? And there's

799
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: so much to talk about from terrorist aspect of especially

800
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: in that region and their yeah and their expansion and

801
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 3: their influence, especially also on their drug business.

802
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: A lot of people have no idea.

803
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: Muslim Shiite from Lebanon and that particular region has a

804
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: lot of foothold and operation in South America. And actually

805
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: they started back doing the Black Septumber Operations movement organization

806
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 3: back in the sixties and seventies, so it goes all

807
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: the way back then. We can talk about that next episode.

808
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to dig into that with you,

809
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: because I think that's really fascinating. What people don't understand

810
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: is they hear these comments about Hasbler, Hama Hamas or

811
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, Isis or al kaiter ttp, whatever it is,

812
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: and they think strictly it's regional. They don't understand the

813
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: nature of international intelligence, espionage, movement of activities, movement of finance,

814
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: building new cells, recruiting all the time. It's just and

815
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: I think that's really what one of the next great

816
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: I think clashes in the in human the human condition

817
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: is going to be is having whatever the next iteration

818
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: of those conflicts, whether it's Muslims versus Christians, Christians versus Muslims,

819
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Muslims versus Jews. You know, it's like it's just the

820
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: perpetuation of the same old story and it's just evolving

821
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: now to where the techniques and the tactics and the

822
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: capabilities are so much more severe in threat life threatning

823
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: and sophisticated as populos. Yeah, it's very sophisticated now. So

824
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: we'll do that next time. So Steven again, man, thank

825
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: you so much. God bless you be safe and I'm

826
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing your next story.

827
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, brother, thank you so much. And it's

828
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: been an honor.

829
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm the first big podcast I think

830
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: I've been on it maybe. Yeah, it's yeah, very humbled

831
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: and I really appreciate it, David.

832
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: And I look around.

833
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: I saw you pop up, man, and I love the

834
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: what you were writ and what you're doing. I know

835
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: you're sincere and you have huge, huge courage right now

836
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: and for me, like and the fact that you're focused

837
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: on the people like for me, that's what hits me

838
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: the heaviest, because the people who suffer from these wars,

839
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: whatever side you're on, man, that's the story. That's the

840
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: amazing story. So I just commend you. God bless you, Steven.

841
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: Take care buddy. Yeah, thank you, brother, I appreciate it. Yeah,

842
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: until next time. Until next time.