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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddle. Get him in hud Get

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Speaker 1: him in Huddle Him in New York Giants podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: John Schmulkin. Welcome to the most recent episode up the

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Speaker 1: a positive review. This week's guest is the voice of

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Speaker 1: Let's say we got the Rangers. We have NIX on TV.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we have Major League Baseball on Fox. We have

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Speaker 1: NFL on Fox. Did I miss anything? Kenny Albert? Uh

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Speaker 1: some boxing on Fox as well. That's a new edition

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Speaker 1: over the last year or so. How do you manage this?

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Speaker 1: I mean I would We were texting back and forth

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Speaker 1: the other day. You were with the Knicks in Detroit

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday night. Thursday night, you have the Rangers and

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Speaker 1: the Hurricanes, and then you come back on Sunday for

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Speaker 1: Giants and Jets. What how do you handle with that?

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Speaker 1: We can make sure you're prepared for all the games

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Speaker 1: the way you have to be well, this is the

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Speaker 1: craziest time of year. In October, I was involved in

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Speaker 1: the baseball playoffs, as you mentioned, in the first round

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Speaker 1: with Houston and Tampa Bay Rangers got underway. I had

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Speaker 1: a knixt preseason game in the middle of October. Football

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Speaker 1: on the weekends. Um this month, football, hockey, some basketball,

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Speaker 1: a boxing match later in the months. So these are

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Speaker 1: actually the most fun parts of the year for me,

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Speaker 1: along with April and May during the hockey playoffs when

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Speaker 1: I'm involved with both MSG. If the Rangers are in

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Speaker 1: NBC through the conference final and then Westwood won during

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Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup Final, I actually find John that that

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Speaker 1: business who I am. The more games I am up

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Speaker 1: during a particular stretch, the more organized I am that

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Speaker 1: have more work done. For some reason, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's all the time you spend on planes and

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Speaker 1: hotel rooms. UM. I'll give you an example. I was

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Speaker 1: up at five am this morning in Detroit to get

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Speaker 1: but um, I think before eight in the morning, I

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Speaker 1: read Today's post daily news, the Rangers daily clips, and

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Speaker 1: the clips on the Jet Science game as well. So, um,

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Speaker 1: when you let that quiet time at a car heading

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Speaker 1: to the airport on the plane, uh, and here in

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Speaker 1: the hotel, I wind up getting more done than than

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Speaker 1: if I were at home. And there's a million things

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Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, and unfortunately this year you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: the Rangers and Knicks won a lot of games. But

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see a New York football team win on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: We know that for sure. You've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: exposure to the Giants this year, Kenny, You've seen him

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Speaker 1: a couple of times in the last few weeks. What's

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Speaker 1: what's been your impression in terms of where they are

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Speaker 1: and kind of where your head where they're heading from

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Speaker 1: a big picture perspective. Well, this will be my fourth game,

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Speaker 1: first out of the first ten played by the Jet

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Speaker 1: this year, and I'll give you an unusual little nuggets,

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Speaker 1: my fourth different all analysts on four Giant games. Um,

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Speaker 1: although there's an asterisk because I was Ronde Barber my

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Speaker 1: this week. But uh know, the Tampa Bay game was

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Obviously it came right down to

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Speaker 1: But to be involved in in Daniel Jones first start, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it brought back memories of working games during

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Speaker 1: then a number of games in two thousand seven leading

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Speaker 1: against the Jets. Actually the Victor Cruz Knight did ie

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's ay the similarity, the you know, the

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Speaker 1: the Jeffs. Have you had a chance to to sit

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Speaker 1: down one on one with Jones much on the days

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman drafted him. He talked about how from the

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Speaker 1: much like Eli you mentioned it, he just seems very unflappable,

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Speaker 1: And we've sat down with him uh twice in Tampa

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Speaker 1: We spoke to him on the phone on a conference

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Speaker 1: like you said, unflappable, Um, just so many similarities to Eli.

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Speaker 1: Uh when when you were in the room with him,

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Speaker 1: same sound and the inflections and the mannerisms. And um,

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Speaker 1: obviously they spent some time together at the Manning passing

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Speaker 1: academy a couple of years ago. What what I found

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Speaker 1: fascinating A little note that we learned during sit down

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Speaker 1: I actually asked Pat Schrmer about his son Kyle, and

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Speaker 1: I said, would they at any camps together? Kyle Shermer

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Speaker 1: were roommates at the Manning camp a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: How ironic is that he's at the camp which is

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Speaker 1: run by the guy that he winds up replacing in

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Speaker 1: his family and his roommate is the son of his

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Speaker 1: future head coach. That is wild. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: knew that. If we did, it kind of got lost

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Speaker 1: I had never heard it before, and then we mentioned

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Speaker 1: it during the Tampa game. You were obviously half the game,

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Speaker 1: interesting little note that we learned during that first meeting

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Speaker 1: all the necessary tools to become a very good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But much like rookies when they get thrown into the

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Speaker 1: fire and in the rookie year, it's never easy. I

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Speaker 1: think we've just seen a lot of rookie mistakes that

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Speaker 1: corrected with experience in time. Do you agree absolutely? I

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Speaker 1: think you know, we've seen a lot of good moments. Um.

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Speaker 1: We we've seen him use his legs, in particular in

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Speaker 1: that Tampa game. UM, in the Arizona game and Detroit

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Speaker 1: game that I worked a number of touchdown passes. In Detroit,

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Speaker 1: he had the early turnover, the backward pass which led

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Speaker 1: to the Canard touchdown, and turnovers are really the key

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Speaker 1: when you look at it, Um, with both Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: a big topic of discussion this Sunday, UM, and I

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Speaker 1: know it's been a basic topic of discussion over the

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Speaker 1: we talked to Patch Urber about it, and we talked

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Speaker 1: to Daniel about it, and UM, you just can't turn

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Speaker 1: over the football as much as he has been and um,

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Speaker 1: you know it's been out all his faults certainly. But

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Speaker 1: you sit down with any NFL head coach and we

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Speaker 1: had Pete Carroll last week and he threw the stat

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Speaker 1: So turnovers from many gun quarterbacks have been an issue.

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Speaker 1: And uh in the case with Jones and Donald this

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Speaker 1: you see when you watch se Kwon Barkley recently? You know,

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Speaker 1: we we actually discussed that amongst our crew yesterday. We

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Speaker 1: have we have texted emails throughout the week with myself

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Speaker 1: the big play of course Monday Night the sixty five

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Speaker 1: young age. And your number two. I love watching him play.

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Speaker 1: another guy if you build a football player up from scratch,

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Speaker 1: you know, physically, head up. He he just seems like

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Speaker 1: that type of prototype you want to have as a

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Speaker 1: three or four times last year, I think only once there,

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Speaker 1: but um, really mature beyond his years, and pleasure to

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Speaker 1: why Dave Kettleman loved him and why they drafted him

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Speaker 1: last year. But um, of you know, all the athletes

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Speaker 1: to every time you're around him. And it seems like

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, and now who knows if John Halipeo,

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Speaker 1: today it looks like it might be a little while

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Speaker 1: before he gets back. What have you seen, you know,

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Speaker 1: from seeing the Giants early in the year until now, Kenny,

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Speaker 1: has the offensive line been a little bit shakier the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks in your opinion, Well, I had

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Speaker 1: the Arizona game where they get up the age sack.

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Speaker 1: around forever because you know, when I started doing this

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Speaker 1: point play, the two point diversion, So in those situations

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Speaker 1: it's certainly used a lot more than it was in

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Speaker 1: the past. All Right, Kenny, final question. You grew up

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Speaker 1: a feel for what do you think the reaction is

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Speaker 1: terms of the result of this game, depending on which

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Speaker 1: going to be on Monday after this game between the

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Speaker 1: winning team. They'll be pretty happy on Monday morning, and

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Speaker 1: whichever team loses. Uh, it's gonna be a tough week. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's obviously for bragging rights at this point, you know,

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Speaker 1: parte of miracle. Neither teams making the playoffs. And I've

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Speaker 1: been fortunate enough to work the last two Giants games

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Speaker 1: thousand now this year. Uh, they play every four years,

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Speaker 1: They're only on Fox every eight years and both memorable games.

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Speaker 1: The two thousand three game you always finished in the time, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it came down to a field goal with four seconds

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Speaker 1: left Brett Conway. And then two thousand eleven was the

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Speaker 1: Giants at the playoffs. So although this one wanted as

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Speaker 1: much meaning standings wise, um, hopefully it's a good game.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's been so much negative talks around teams, uh,

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Speaker 1: in particular over the last couple of weeks. So, um,

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Speaker 1: hopefully it's an entertaining game. And you have two young

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks going at it, and you know, maybe they're not

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Speaker 1: where the fans hope they would be at this point,

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Speaker 1: both guys. But um, you know, with Jones getting off

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Speaker 1: to a good start, winning the first two and now

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Speaker 1: losing five in a row, and Donald going through what

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Speaker 1: he's gone through. But keep in mind, Troy Aikman was

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Speaker 1: on eleven his rookie season, paid man and thirteen. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying these guys are going to become Akman or Manning,

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Speaker 1: with young quarterbacks, it takes time, experience, and hopefully they're

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Speaker 1: both had good games. On Sunday, Kenny Albert asking for

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Speaker 1: patients from sports fans. You heard it here, folks. Thank Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Awesome stuff that I really appreciate the time today and

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Speaker 1: I'll see on Sundy. Look forward to seeing you. Met

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Speaker 1: life that's down anytime, look forward to it. That's Kenny Albert.

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Speaker 1: You've seen him everywhere, mostly on Fox, but you've also

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Speaker 1: seen the n M s J. You've also heard him

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Speaker 1: on the radio doing Rangers games and boxing as well,

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Speaker 1: which I did not know about. So Kenny with a

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Speaker 1: lot on his plate, but he'll be doing Giants and

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Speaker 1: Jets on Fox on Sunday at one o'clock. Thank you

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Speaker 1: GIHNT Subtle Podcast for Kenny Albert. I am John Schmelk.

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