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Speaker 1: Get your question answered here on the show. We do

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Speaker 1: it every Sunday, a little content out there for the people.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you've had a good weekend. Enjoy watching March Madness,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously always fun. You don't even need to

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Speaker 1: know the players, most of the coaches, It does not matter.

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Speaker 1: It's a special event that there is nothing like in

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Speaker 1: some of these big upsets, the just the joy of

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Speaker 1: watching it just looks like these players on these high

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, sixteen b to one again. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's incredible. It could just what's cool is listening as

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Speaker 1: someone that went to a D one Double A athletic

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Speaker 1: cal Paul, I think we made the tournament one year,

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Speaker 1: but like I think, how impossible it would be in

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Speaker 1: A tournament. Now it's not apples to apples, but the

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Speaker 1: equivalent of a sixteen one would be like Calpoli playing

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Speaker 1: I mean they would get they would get abused, that

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Speaker 1: even be fair. Now. I know sometimes they play a

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Speaker 1: what's the validity of the Lamarta Niner rumors? Is Darnold

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Speaker 1: it's like, why are they getting rid of this guy? Right?

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Speaker 1: And when they do hashtag ro Quan Smith, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: shown flashes, clearly a little bit of a pain. Definitely

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Speaker 1: what's funny is JJ Watt. I don't know where he lives,

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Speaker 1: What do you think the Lions should do regarding the quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Do you the Lions should stick with Jared Goff for

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Speaker 1: an element of luck, I would say in football when

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Speaker 1: was the guy they wanted, and they were going to

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Speaker 1: try to convince Caserio to come be as general manager.

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Speaker 1: I think they thought that get Caserio. They just didn't

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Speaker 1: know if they could get Josh, and then Josh backs out,

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Speaker 1: And six years later they've won a bunch of playoff games,

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Speaker 1: Ben Tow, Nfcchship games and Ben New Super Bowl. If

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Speaker 1: they would have hired Josh McDaniels, I'm pretty confident then

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Speaker 1: under no circumstances would the Night have been to three

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Speaker 1: of the last four conference championship games and won multiple

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Speaker 1: divisions at that time. So part of like, you hired

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, who just sucked, you know, But when you

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Speaker 1: hired him and you hired you know, Bob Quinn, it

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Speaker 1: logically makes some sense. Right, You're going to a good organization,

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Speaker 1: even though most of Bill's guys fail. Jim Schwartz, Right,

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Speaker 1: You're like, could this guy be the next star? And

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Speaker 1: he was kind of good, but it wasn't good enough,

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Speaker 1: you know. So you guys haven't had a lot of

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Speaker 1: talented players over the last decade, right, some of those

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Speaker 1: Stafford teams had talent all over the place. And if

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Speaker 1: you cat somehow, I don't want to say luck died

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Speaker 1: into but just hired the next Pete Carroll, Sean Paynton.

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Speaker 1: You remember, no one ever knows how good these guys

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Speaker 1: are going to be. If everyone knew Andy Reid was

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Speaker 1: gonna be Andy Reid, ten other teams would have tried

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Speaker 1: to hire him. When the Eagles hired him, or when

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Speaker 1: and he got fired in Philadelphia, he would have had

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Speaker 1: fifteen outstanding offers. If everyone knew thought of what Andy

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Speaker 1: has done in Kansas City at the time when he

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Speaker 1: got fired in Philadelphia, half the league would have fired

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Speaker 1: their coaches and tried to hire Andy Reid. So it's

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Speaker 1: just I think so much as of it is about

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Speaker 1: your coach. And if Matt Campbell is like the next Parcels,

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Speaker 1: because that's kind of his style, he's going to be

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Speaker 1: more of a Parcels than he'll ever be like an

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Speaker 1: Andy or a Belichick scheming. But if he can be

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Speaker 1: a Parcels, you fucking struggle will and you're going to

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Speaker 1: be a playoff team moving forward because your team's really talented.

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Speaker 1: And on the quarterback thing, I wouldn't force a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'd have no problem rolling with Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: for a while because you guys are still a couple

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Speaker 1: of years away. If you're making the playoffs, getting bounced

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Speaker 1: to early to be complaining. Right, So if Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: at a you know, a relative twenty eight thirty million

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Speaker 1: dollars salary, I'm not even sure what he makes, but

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Speaker 1: he doesn't make that much relative to some of the

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Speaker 1: top quarterbacks. Like if Jared Goff was making let me

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Speaker 1: look it up. You know it's making forty million dollars,

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Speaker 1: then I hear you. But you could make the playoffs

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Speaker 1: with that guy, no problem. Like this year, Yeah, his

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Speaker 1: salary's pretty you know, pretty manageable here. So this year

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Speaker 1: he's making twenty five. Next year he's making twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I think you ride that out, man, I think you do. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you find a quarterback in the draft you like,

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Speaker 1: obviously you pulled the trigger and he probably continues to

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Speaker 1: start for a year. But you know, part of doing

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Speaker 1: the Alex Smith the Mahomes is the Chiefs have already

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Speaker 1: been having success, right. The only success this team has

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Speaker 1: had recently is with Jared Goff last year. They've been

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Speaker 1: shitty the previous couple of years. So I would kind

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Speaker 1: of want to see this play out for a year

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Speaker 1: or two before I try to find my quote unquote

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes or whatever, And the reality is

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Speaker 1: every team's constantly trying to do that. But who knows,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you guys draft quarterback this year. Assuming the Rodgers

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Speaker 1: deal to the Jets gets done, what do they do

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Speaker 1: with Zach Wilson. Keep him as a backup because he's cheap,

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Speaker 1: and have Aaron take him under his wing for a

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Speaker 1: few years and try to remold Wilson into a capable

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback once Aaron leaves retires, or trade him for

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Speaker 1: picks and or players. I just hope the Jets have

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Speaker 1: a real plan for the post Rogers era, since you

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Speaker 1: can't expect him to be here more than two to

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Speaker 1: three years. Well, I think part of getting Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: which you know, is it whenever this deal goes down,

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Speaker 1: it's a year by year thing. Zach Wilson is gonna

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Speaker 1: just sit behind Aaron Rodgers. Now. I think the big

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Speaker 1: question was Zach Wilson. Is he going to be the

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Speaker 1: number two quarterback next year? Is Zach Wilson gonna be

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Speaker 1: their backup quarterback? Or is Zach Wilson gonna be the

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Speaker 1: third quarterback? Because I would say this if next year,

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Speaker 1: even if Aaron Rodgers on the team, big picture, if

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is the third quarterback. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: all time whiffs in recent memory. Trey La, it's got

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Speaker 1: a chance right up there too, Trey Lance better be

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Speaker 1: out Sam Darnold and Brock Purty eventually to be the

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Speaker 1: starting QUARTERBA if he's not all time with, it's an

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Speaker 1: all time with now as long as you win. And

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Speaker 1: this is why the Niners like ultimately if they're winning

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Speaker 1: games and Trey Lance like it sucks, but whatever, So

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Speaker 1: you get Aaron Rodgers and you win, he's the third

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Speaker 1: tring quarterback whatever in the short term. But like, that's

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Speaker 1: that's pretty bad. That to me is the fascinating. Like

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Speaker 1: they're not cutting him, makes no sense. They've already paid him, right,

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Speaker 1: You've got a four year guaranteed deal. He has no

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Speaker 1: trade value. I think the only thing interesting about Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson wants Aaron Rodgers on the team. Is he the

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback? Or does he have to be the number three?

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Speaker 1: Say this about Jordan Love, Like, who's our backup quarterback?

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Speaker 1: You know that's do two more? Has Lamar financially done

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Speaker 1: himself a disservice trying to hold out for a better

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Speaker 1: contract One thirty three three years guaranteed, not including the bonuses,

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Speaker 1: is forty four million dollars a year. He's made twenty

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Speaker 1: five million dollars last year on his fifth year option,

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Speaker 1: and if he plays on the tag is thirty two million.

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Speaker 1: That's almost thirty two million for both years left on

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Speaker 1: the table. And he's far and away, and he's farther

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Speaker 1: away from negotiating a second contract. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't see how anyone with any common sense can go

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is handling this well. Are the Ravens some

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Speaker 1: moron stupid organization? No? Like? Have they proven over the

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Speaker 1: years to have a pretty good feel Who's worth what

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Speaker 1: I think? Like you said one hundred and thirty three

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Speaker 1: million dollars forty four million dollars a year plus, there'd

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Speaker 1: be in sentives he would easily hit him. If I'm

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Speaker 1: giving you one hundred and thirty three million dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: you're guaranteed to be on the team for like three years,

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Speaker 1: So as long as he's playing, he's going to hit

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Speaker 1: and sentips. If he's good in one of those two years,

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Speaker 1: makes a Pro Bowl. I think he would make one

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Speaker 1: forty five with his eyes closed and like you said,

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Speaker 1: be rated to hit free agency. And even if they

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Speaker 1: got to tag him, well, the tag in three years

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Speaker 1: would probably be like forty million dollars. So even if

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Speaker 1: they had to tag him after the third year, right

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Speaker 1: because they couldn't get a you know, figure out another contract,

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Speaker 1: you'd be talking about forty plus million plus one thirty

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Speaker 1: three plus some missentims. I mean, he could be at

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Speaker 1: like two hundred million dollars over a four year period.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, his mom isn't exactly dominating

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Speaker 1: negotiating table. I'll tell you that much. And listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: not here to make fun of moms, but you put

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a big role when you have a

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Speaker 1: quarterback of that level. UCLA just god, they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of injuries right now. Being a Browns fan my

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Speaker 1: entire life, it's been hard to stand by the front

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Speaker 1: office and ownership for many decisions. But do you think

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Speaker 1: it's all possible that Barry in the front office did

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Speaker 1: in order to blow up the quarterback market. Guys like

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Speaker 1: Lamar and Borough expecting more guaranteed money. Rightfully so, and

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Speaker 1: their prospective teams weren't planning on giving it to him.

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Speaker 1: One bad decision away from one bad organization doesn't set

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Speaker 1: the standard, but it seems to have set a couple

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Speaker 1: of crazy teams into a frenzy. Barry doesn't get enough

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Speaker 1: credit as one of the better gms in the league. Well,

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Speaker 1: last year, you guys had the worst run defense in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and it was pretty embarrassing because he built

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Speaker 1: even in a pass happy league, if you have nobody

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Speaker 1: that can stop the run, teams will run the ball

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Speaker 1: down your throat, and they did. I would say this

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Speaker 1: on the Deshaun Watson Andrew Berry front, that's an owner

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Speaker 1: thing that is not Andrew Berry. Pou don't have any

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Speaker 1: inside information on this. I feel pretty good saying that.

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Speaker 1: I can imagine Stefanski and Andrew Berry. We're not loving

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Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson situation. Last year. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they would have signed up for tying the trade I got.

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Speaker 1: That feels like owner, owner, owner, owner owner. They were

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Speaker 1: out and then all of a sudden, the only way

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Speaker 1: they got back in the deal was the owner giving

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Speaker 1: him all that money. So yeah, man, I I will

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Speaker 1: see Andrew Berry like this, this is a good year

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Speaker 1: to judge him on coming off a bad year, gets

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Speaker 1: his quarterback. We'll see if the defense can be better.

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Speaker 1: But that to me, the Deshaun Watson thing was on

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Speaker 1: the pie chart. I mean ninety percent owner. It could be. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: if you told me it was one hundred percent, Like

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Speaker 1: if if if Stefanski and and the and the GM Berry,

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Speaker 1: believe you, but we know the owner doesn't give a shit.

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Speaker 1: Have a good Sunday. If you're listening's on Monday? How

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Speaker 1: you doing, Talk to everyone? Soon see you m hm.

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Speaker 1: The volume