1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal territory, Katie and Bernie. Coming at you, 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Bernie from Saint Louis. I'm here in a random radio 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: booth at Truest Park. We are recording this about an 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: hour and a half before the first pitch between the 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Braves on Tuesday, April twenty second. Happy 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Earth Day recycled today matters. We only have one planet, 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Let's save it. If you are watching this before Tuesday's game, 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: then you'll know that the Cardinals have lost five straight. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: They are one and ten on the road, and it 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: just hasn't looked all that good lately. Maybe by the 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: time you're watching this, they'll have one on Tuesday. 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Maybe not. We don't know. 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: We can't predict the future, but we can tell you 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: what we know pre game. Mason went is back off 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: the injured list. Today was the first day he was 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: eligible to return, and he is here in the lineup, 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: batting ninth at shortstop. Michael Ciani optioned to triple a 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: today as the corresponding move, A little surprising given how 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: much the Cardinals have an adamant that he should be 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: on the roster. Bernie, let me tell you this. Ting 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: with members on the team and the staff. This was 22 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: a decision that was not made lightly. They made it 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: when they got to the park today around this afternoon, 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: and there were a bunch of people in the mix 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: on who this could be. Was it going to be 26 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Thomas to jac could they do a wild card and 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: send Burlison down. They ultimately decided Siani, partly because they 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: need depth reasons. Right, Mason's coming back from a back thing, 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: so you don't you know, you want to be cautious, 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: you want to protect yourself. Brendan Donovan, he's unavailable today. 31 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: He was a scratch from the lineup, has some ribs soreness. 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Could be out maybe tomorrow. Definitely not something that's going 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: to require the IL, but they need s JC up 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: here just to cover their backs for death purposes. So 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: Sianni went to Memphis. What are your thoughts about this decision? 36 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: It was a little surprising. 37 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you, I'm a surprise a little bit. 38 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I just assumed they would take the path 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: of least resistance. And you know, we all know that 40 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: the Ali Marvels really big on defense, which which I appreciate. 41 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: They don't have a strikeout staff starters or bullpen, so 42 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 4: you need guys to make plays. I get it, But 43 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: I do think that maybe a time they perhaps sacrifice 44 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: a chance to have better offense by keeping a defensive specialist. 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: So I'm pleasantly surprised that they're they're gonna, at least 46 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: for a little while, stay with said Jac. Look, this 47 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: offense is still still trying to get back to what 48 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: it was early in the season, and there's been there's 49 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: been a lot of bad games, were bad at bats, 50 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: and they're losing. They're sort of losing their control of 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 4: the strike zone, which they had a lot earlier in 52 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: the season. And I think said Jac's a live bat, 53 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: and I think you just ride that live bat until 54 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 4: it's not so live anymore, and then maybe he needs 55 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: to go to Memphis and kind of regroup. 56 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: So we'll see. It's pretty cool. 57 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like this for su Jac because, as 58 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned, he's hit well at a time where most 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: of the team has not, and he's hit well against 60 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: some really lethal arms, and I thought he did a 61 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: fine job backing up shortstop. I know we talked at 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: length about the Cardinals not having a backup shortstop. I 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: think both Donovan and s JC did a serviceable job. 64 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: I was glad to see them keep him because he 65 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: can hit and he can play. He's a little raw, right, 66 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's twenty two, twenty three years old and 67 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: not a ton of experience in the major leagues. The 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: game can sometimes speed up on him and be a 69 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: little fast. We've seen some base running miscues. But what 70 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: I like about s JC or Saggy if you will, 71 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: that's his name, right, and hated it at first, Now 72 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: I love it. So we're only referring to JC as 73 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: Saggy on here going forward on Cardinal territory. 74 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: But a good one. It's a good one. 75 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 2: It's a baseball name for sure. 76 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 77 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: With SAGGI, he is so open to learning and I 78 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: talked to him a lot in New York, specifically Saturday 79 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: after he had a game where he was thrown out 80 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: of the plate, not the sharpest base running game, and 81 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: he is just taking it as much information as possible. 82 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: He spent all of Monday's game, and I think Olie 83 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Marmel talks about this on your show, So I note 84 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: every Tuesday Bernie and the Gang came ox to a 85 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: show with Alie Marmle from twelve to twelve thirty. 86 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: It's really worth your time. 87 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: And so Jac is right next to Stevie Clapp the 88 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: entire game, asking questions about different scenarios. 89 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: What should I do here? 90 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: You know what if this is, you know what's different 91 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: about this scenario compared to the other. How can I 92 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: get better? So I really like that they're going to 93 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: keep to jac and give him a chance to play 94 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: somewhat every day at the big league level. But on 95 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: days where he's not playing every day, he still has 96 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: the opportunity to learn and grow and develop. 97 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: And isn't that the whole point of the season. 98 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And I you know, my friend and 99 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: Coylleague get Camo. 100 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: It's Kevin Wheeler, who I really really love and respect. 101 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: We've had a little bit of a disagreement. 102 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: Not a heated Disagreement's just a baseball disagreement because he's 103 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: in the camp that to Jay's got to play every day. 104 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: And my whole thing is like, look, I you know, 105 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 4: I don't know whatever happened to this is you know 106 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: this idea that if you have a young player that 107 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: brings something to the table and his energy is terrific 108 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 4: and he's hungry, he wants to learn. 109 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: He's a dirt player. 110 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: I mean, he'll do anything to win a game. And 111 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 4: he's got a pretty good right handed bat, and so 112 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: there's not a way to get him to like to 113 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: basically get him in the lineup or in a meaningful. 114 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: Role like three times a week. Like I think baseball 115 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 3: in general is going too far with this. 116 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: And you know me, I don't live in the past, 117 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: trust me, but this whole idea that you know, if 118 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: you have a young prospect, he's either got to play 119 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: every day in the major leagues. It's no, he's got 120 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 4: to go to the minors. Isn't there a middle ground? 121 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 4: A guy like said jac he's going to be in 122 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: the big leagues as you That was a great story, 123 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: like him stubby clap and soak up everything he can, 124 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: watching veterans and also being of use to the team. 125 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: Why does he have to play five days a week? 126 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: Can't he have value playing three days a week? I 127 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: don't know. 128 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 4: I so Wheeler and I were hashing that out on 129 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: live radio. 130 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: But it was good. 131 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it's I understand the whole need about uh, 132 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: you know, play it every day, but sometimes you just 133 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: go too far. 134 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: With that, what do you think I think, given what 135 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are trying to do right now, there is 136 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: no way they can guarantee playing time every single day 137 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: to every single player on this roster, right And we'll 138 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: get to that later in the show, because I think 139 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be really fascinating how Ollie marmal balances playing. 140 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: Time going forward with the slew of middle infielders. 141 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: But first, a Jac if he's gonna come up and 142 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna play semi rig He's not gonna start every 143 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: single day, not on the lineup today, of course, but 144 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance to play, and like I said, 145 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: he's also gonna have a chance to learn. I thought 146 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: this story was really cool talking to him and Brendan 147 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: Donovan after the four game sweep in New York, which 148 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: is not great, but asking to Jac, you know what, 149 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: how are you getting better? How are you evaluating yourself? 150 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: And he says, after every game Brendan Donovan will go 151 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: into the video room with Stubby Klapp Chad Blair Cardinals 152 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: video guy, and watch over almost every player at bat 153 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: that he was in and dissect it with those two. 154 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: And Saggie was like that sounds really cool. 155 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: I would like to do that too, So now he 156 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: tags along and both of them do the same and 157 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. 158 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 2: You can't get that in the minor leagues. 159 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not accessible, but the level of 160 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: play and the level of talent is so different from 161 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: Triple A to the major leagues, and the technology is 162 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: so much better. So you have a coaching staff and 163 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: a video staff that is willing to do that, and 164 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: you have a player like Donovan willing to set the tone. 165 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: That's the kind of growth that to jac is gonna 166 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: get off the field, and it's just as important Bernie. 167 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: Uh, you know, Uh, I'm learning stuff from you today 168 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: and I appreciate that be. 169 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: Working on the road. Have you've been watching my Instagram story? 170 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, But I've got to go look at that. 171 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: Okay, I have I missed that. I must be honest, 172 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: I miss that. 173 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 4: I'll go look, but no, see, you you make such 174 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: a great point, Like you know, since Tony LaRussa retired, 175 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 4: this is from what I can tell, and you know 176 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: more than I do, obviously, I think this is the 177 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: most proactive teaching forward. Uh, you know, get in there 178 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: and Okay, who needs help? 179 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: What can I do? 180 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: And you know, you know where they they really service 181 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: the development of the players, even in. 182 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: The major leagues. So so where is it. 183 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: Where's a Thomas A jac Or We could name some 184 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: other guys if they ever get up here this year? 185 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: Who knows where he can't get that experience at Triple 186 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: A Memphis. And it's no, it's no disrespect to the 187 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: people down there, but this is like, this is like 188 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: getting a masterclass in baseball education. I mean, John Jay 189 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: Daniel descalso Stubby Clap Are you kidding me? I mean 190 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: these and these guys love to teach, they love to 191 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: work with players. I mean, that's to me, it's a 192 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: unique opportunity. So that makes me feel even more convinced that. 193 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: They made the right decision to keep him up here. 194 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: And that's what he talked about coming into the season. 195 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: You have a staff that is so they they've come 196 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: up in player development. You just named three guys, but 197 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: Ali Marmo up there as well. There were times that 198 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: John Mozilla thought that he wouldn't be a manager, but 199 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: he'd be a farm director. So I understand there's a 200 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: lot of frustration with the coaching staff right now. They're 201 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately the ones that are gonna wear it, especially the 202 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: manager when the team is not winning. But for what 203 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: the staff is doing, for these teaching moments that are 204 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: that have been said and advertised as the primary emphasis 205 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: of how the season is going to go. I think 206 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: this is the right staff in place, and I think 207 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: they're doing a good job in the development side. Obviously, 208 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: though some wins need to come across this the board, 209 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: especially on the road. It's getting a little crazy, but 210 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: we'll get into that first. 211 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: And Brett real quick, Brent, Brent Brown's a teacher too, 212 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: just because just because the offense had a downturn. You know, 213 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 4: everybody sat a Saint Louis sport is like always blamed 214 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 4: the batting coach first, right, that's. 215 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: A sport always won the coaches, bating coach, hitting coach. 216 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 4: And just really quick, like when when Ali Marmon was 217 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: on with us today, came o X and I asked him, so, well, 218 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 4: what was you know what was behind this downturn offensively? 219 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: Like your guys they were there at bats were so 220 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: great early in the season. They were so disciplined, they 221 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: were controlling the strike zone, they were working counts, and 222 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, you know, and he I 223 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: give Ali credit first candor, he said, uh, you know, 224 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: we the thing we want them to do is is 225 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: just to get on fastballs, you know, and be be selective. 226 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: There's a fastball in the zone, get after it. And 227 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: he said they stopped doing that. They sort of fell 228 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: back into their bad habits. And Brent Brown's going to 229 00:09:59,320 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 4: get that stuff. 230 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: You know. 231 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: I do wonder sometime, just as a fan, I am 232 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 4: frustrated watching Alec Burlison. 233 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: The boy. 234 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 4: When I say boy, it's a term of affection. I'm 235 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: not demeaning him. The boy just can't help himself. I mean, 236 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: he he just keeps helping pictures out by. It's it's 237 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: bad enough that he swings its stuff off the plate. 238 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: It's even worse that he connects with it. 239 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: You know that we saw come out through the system, 240 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: or that we saw last year. He has such great 241 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: plate discipline, such good control of his zone. 242 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: So you're exactly right, you know, when he when he 243 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 4: connects with it. One stat boy thing here and then 244 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 4: we'll move on. 245 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: I know your time's alimited. Okay. 246 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 4: I was looking this up earlier today because I was 247 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 4: curious and I sort of keep a running. I keep 248 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: track of Burlasson's let me call it strike zone management. Okay, so, 249 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: first of all, he's had twenty two called strikes this 250 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: year on pitches right down the middle, meatballs right to me, 251 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: that seems like a lot. 252 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: When they're telling him, look, man, attack strikes. He's taking 253 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: twenty two down the The other thing. 254 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: The other thing is when he connects with the strike 255 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: and puts it in play. 256 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: His hard hit rates like forty five percent. 257 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: When he swings at a pitch out of the zone 258 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: and puts the ball in play, his hard hit hard 259 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 4: hit rate. 260 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: Is seven and a half percent. I mean, what do 261 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: you understand? Why? 262 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: See from you, I'm gonna look into that one. 263 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: It's true. 264 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: And see that's one of my flaws as a human being. 265 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 4: When I get these numbers in my mind, they drive 266 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 4: me crazy. 267 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: You know. 268 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: It's like like it's like I watch every Alec Burlison 269 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: the bat and I'm like, what are you doing? 270 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: You know, I'm being a little dramatic, but you get 271 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: my point. 272 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: I know, I love to look at this stuff and 273 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 4: learn things, and I can't understand him. 274 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: I like him. 275 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: In fact, Will Leach used to tease me all the time. 276 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 4: He said, you're the only guy thinks Burlison's going to 277 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: be a great hitter. I don't see it. And then 278 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: you know, when he was going great last year, will 279 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: Leach was like, you know, I think you're right about him. No, 280 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: unfortunately I wasn't. So he's sort of backing some of 281 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: those bad habits. But I'm rooting for them. I'm rooting us. 282 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: Big guys must stick together, right. 283 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: You know, it's a good point about our listening. 284 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought him up because he's going to 285 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: factor into our next segment. So honestly, great segue. But 286 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: to get to that segue, we need to hear from 287 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: our pals. 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Okay, that's all right, that's all right, you know, 312 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: am I. 313 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 4: You know it's it's five almost five thirty Saint Louis 314 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: Dinner times a little. 315 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: While from now, you know, will you think less of me? 316 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: I tell you that that kibble kind of look good 317 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: to be. 318 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna think less of you, but 319 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: we should probably work on that. 320 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good. You're probably right, You're probably right. 321 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm not right about often. I also haven't eaten yet today. 322 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: I'm just scrambling. What an insane road trip. 323 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 324 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Ever, We've only been on two, but each road trip 325 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: has felt like eighty four years. 326 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: They've been long trips. 327 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: It's because the team's collapsing around you, and there's drama everywhere. 328 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: You know, you know, so you know. 329 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: We're sports writers, Bernie. 330 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm used to things happening quickly and you'd adjust and 331 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: you don't get frazzled. 332 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: Monday's game escalated very quickly. 333 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: That was the first time in a long time where 334 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: I was like, everyone, just I need a second, everyone 335 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: take a break. And of course that that did not happen, 336 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: very very crazy. 337 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: Can I ask you this real quick? 338 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: And again, I'm really bad because you want to get 339 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 4: on with things, and I always interduct some others like what. 340 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: It's obviously been a brutal time for the Cardinals. 341 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: They've only won six of their last twenty games since 342 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: the Twins left Pusch Stadium. 343 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: But how like, you know, guys will put on a 344 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: good front. 345 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I've been in clubhouses, oh my gosh, so 346 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 4: many years, not not recently, but you know, are. 347 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: They are their heads. 348 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, are they still feeling the enthusiasm, Did 349 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: they have the energy and just kind of like this 350 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: hunger and let's go get it type attitude that we 351 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: saw from them earlier the year or has some of 352 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: that been tamped down by just being a little bit demoralized. 353 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: It's definitely not as bad as it was in twenty 354 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: twenty three. Around this time in twenty twenty three, all 355 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: of us were, you know, we were three weeks into 356 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: the season and thinking, okay, it's a little early, but 357 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: we knew, we knew something was terribly wrong. Of course, 358 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: the guys are disappointed, they're frustrated, they're quite frankly, they're pissed, 359 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: but they're still playing good baseball for what this roster 360 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: allows for. And I think the fight that we see, 361 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: and I know people are like, oh here comes like 362 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: the happiest fee body doesn't win ball games. You're right, 363 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: But the fact that this team has enough resolve to 364 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: fight back after a team drops a five spot on 365 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: them in the eighth and make it a one run 366 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: game with a tine run on first, your best hitter 367 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: at the plate. They've had multiple games where they keep 368 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: trying to come back. That's different to me. So, yeah, 369 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: guys are frustrated. No one likes to lose. No one 370 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: likes to lose five straight. They haven't won a game 371 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: on this road trip yet. 372 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: Sucks. But when you go in the clubhouse. 373 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: There, it's not nearly as panicky or as frustrating as 374 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So I'm not going to say that 375 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, everyone's happy yay, because they're not. They're not winning, 376 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: But there's like a a calumn this year. We're like, Okay, 377 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna turn it around. We have the place, Mason's 378 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: back Careerras hopefully back relatively soon. 379 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: It's not as bad, could be better. Some wins would 380 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: definitely help. 381 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: No, I buy what you're saying totally, and that's not 382 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: really happy talk, because athletes who are highly competitive and 383 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: they can find that next gear and being competitive and 384 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 4: even when they're a little rattled by either the way 385 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: they're playing or the team playing, if they just dig 386 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: in and fight harder. It's a cliche and it's all 387 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: that stuff, but there's something to that. You were around 388 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: that twenty twenty three team. I've been around some teams 389 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 4: where you could just tell nobody not too many people 390 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: really gave a damn. I mean, yeah, they played, they 391 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 4: showed up for work, they were happy when they hit a. 392 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: Home run or whatever. 393 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 4: But it's some of those teams Mike Mntidi had late 394 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: in his tenure here. Well you got fire Break before 395 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: the All Star break in twenty eighteen. I mean that 396 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: team just kind of mental. He had packed it in. 397 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: They just it was just bad juju all over that place. 398 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: I mean bad karma. Everything you had played, you know, 399 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 4: you had play. Certain players wouldn't even talk to Metheni 400 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: or vice versa. So yeah, a team that sticks together 401 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: and you know, part of the new Rockney stuff. But fight, 402 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 4: fight fight, it actually does matter. 403 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: It does so anyway, and. 404 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: They're not They're not there yet. 405 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: There there's doing a nice job of weathering in this 406 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: very frustrating portion of their early season. Another thing that 407 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: will need to be weathered is, let's get to the 408 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: banner that I finally quite one up there. How will 409 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: Allly marmal balance his playing time with his slew of 410 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: middle infielders we'll just name him Mason. When Brendan Donovan, Saggy, 411 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Alec Grolison, Nolan Gorman, can you get all five in 412 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: the lineup regularly. Here's what he told us today, pregame 413 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: going forward for at least next week. 414 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: Taking notes. I'm taking notes. 415 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman's gonna get a run at every single every 416 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: day playing time. So we're gonna see Nolan Gorman in 417 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: the lineup every single day, most likely a DH. 418 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: He'll mix it at second every now and then too. 419 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: Mason went obviously is gonna play shortstop every day, and 420 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: they'll manage his back accordingly. 421 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: Donovan's gonna be in there. We just don't really know 422 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: what position. 423 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: So we're gonna see Sid JC mix in and Burlison's 424 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: gonna be on the bench. That's how he's gonna balance 425 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: playing time for right now. The reason for this is 426 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: they want to give Nolan Gorman a true run. 427 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: He look he came up uh for the first week 428 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: of the season. He looks good. 429 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: He didn't get a lot of playing time, he was 430 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: on the bench a lot, but in the limited playing 431 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: time that he had, Nolan Gorman looked like a solid hitter. 432 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Then he gets pulls a hamstring minor injury, but comes 433 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: back and the offensive production is sharply declined. They think 434 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: it's because it's not he's not getting enough consistent playing time. 435 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: So they're gonna make sure that he gets that. We're 436 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna see a run of Nolan Gorman for the foreseeable future, Burlison, 437 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: they'll be able to allay said, They'll be able to 438 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: find a way to mix him in so he's not 439 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: solely on the bench. But for right now, the priority 440 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: is getting Mason every day and Gorman every day. 441 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: I totally, I totally approve of that. Not that anybody 442 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: gives a damn what I think, but I approve of that. 443 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: I think it's out smart at you, well. 444 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that. 445 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: No, you have me on this your show, So I'm 446 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 4: just trying not to bring down the quality. But anyway, 447 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: now Gorman has to play every day. And and you're right, 448 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 4: he was looking good and he got he got derailed 449 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: by that injury. He came back, he looked terrible. But 450 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 4: I tell you what, what a great what a nice 451 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 4: game he had last night. Yeah, and he took good swings, 452 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 4: and so you've got to play him. I know a 453 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 4: lot of fans are down on him. I get it, 454 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: I believe me. 455 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: I get it. 456 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: But and this isn't a make or break season, But 457 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: it's really close to finding out more about whether he's 458 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 4: someone you can count on and whether there will be 459 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 4: He doesn't have to have outstanding plate discipline. It just 460 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 4: can't be out of control, you know. So he's got 461 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: so much talent, and uh, there's not a lot of 462 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 4: power hitters in this entire organization either. That's the other thing, 463 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 4: especially with all the right hand right especially with all 464 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: the right handed pitching. 465 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 3: Not that the cardinalscy but major league team. See. 466 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 4: I mean, like seventy seventy two percent of the plate 467 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 4: appearances are taken against right handed pitchers. So where are 468 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: you going to get the power beat? I mean, that's 469 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 4: still a Cardinals deficiency. He's got that potential. He does 470 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: need to cut down on the swing and missing the strikeouts. 471 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: But the only way that's going to happen is if 472 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: he's in every day and they can have these these 473 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: classroom sessions with him after games, like real hands on approach. 474 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: Right. No, I think that's. 475 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: Great, and I think Burlison kind of needs to move 476 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 4: to the back of the line so to speak. 477 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it a little earlier. 478 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: Donovan's got to play, So Jac's got to play, and 479 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: Jayce can use him at three different positions, so he'll 480 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: get some run. 481 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: He'll get some run. 482 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to do it. It's nothing 483 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: about this roster or this team is perfect. And the 484 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: way that the season is going to go. We're going 485 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: to have a lot of plans that stick for one 486 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: week and then they're going to change course. This is 487 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: just the nature of the season we all signed up for. 488 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: But for this particular case where the Cardinals are right 489 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: now from a record perspective, offense perspective, and development perspective, 490 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: playing Nolan Gorman every day is the right call at 491 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: something that they advertised they were going to do all winter. 492 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: They didn't necessarily do it early on. Now is the 493 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: time to do that. 494 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: A little bit more on Nolan Gorman awaits, but we 495 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: need to hear from our friends at Fanguel Sports Network. First, 496 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: me out to my team of. 497 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 3: Bad Duel Sports Now Work. 498 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, watch. 499 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: Basic fingers and not be us. 500 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 5: I'm just glad I am the local teen lave Forest Roots, 501 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 5: real room for the Cardinals. Bands Sports Now Work, the 502 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 5: Cardinals chip and brands. 503 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 3: The Birds are banded. 504 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: Speaking of FanDuel Sports Network, Nolan Gorman is our fandel 505 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: Sports Network player to watch starting on Tuesday. But by 506 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: the time most of you see this, it'll be Wednesday 507 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: and he'll be right in the midst of that getting 508 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: that everyday run. He's the Cardinals three hole hitter today 509 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: Tuesday because Brendan Donovan was that scratch like I mentioned, 510 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: so they just swapped places. But I thought you were 511 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: spot on, Bernie with what you said about Nolan Gorman. 512 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: We've got to get more contact out of this sky. 513 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, swing and miss is always going to be 514 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: a part of his game. And if you want a 515 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: power bat, this is not the game of the nineteen 516 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: eighties and nineteen nineties anymore. If you want to power bat, 517 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: strikeouts are going to come with it. Of your bats 518 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: being strikeouts. 519 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: Cannot come with it. 520 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 3: However, so we'll. 521 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: Talk to Ollie Marma before the game today and we said, hey, 522 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: what do you need to see from Nolan Gorman? And 523 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: he said he has the types of swing that allows 524 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: for doubles, homers off the bat series and when you're 525 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: at Bush Stadium, when you're watching the game on TV, 526 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: the ball just sounds different. 527 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: I know. 528 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: When Nolan Gorman has made contact because the ball sounds different. 529 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: But he has to incorporate more contact into that swing. 530 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to be looking at over 531 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: the next week or so. When he gets this run 532 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: of everyday starts. Can he got down the contact rate? 533 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: Can he'd be more selected with pitches in the zone? 534 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: I mean, because he can slug it. We know this, 535 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: he can swing it. It's just a matter of making 536 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: contact more consistently. That's what I'm looking for at least. 537 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, my friend, the baseball analyst, Joe she and shout 538 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 4: out to his newsletter. I've learned a lot from baseball. 539 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: He's like drafted for his fantasy team. He's like drafted 540 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 4: Nolan Gorman, like, you know, almost every year. 541 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: I think he might have given up on him this year. 542 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: And the thing but is like. 543 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 4: Joe's always talking about, oh my gosh, what when when 544 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 4: he he connects with a sweet spot like his baroer rate, 545 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 4: his sweet spot rate, it's like outrageously. 546 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: Good, you know. 547 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 4: So so this backs up what you're saying about. You know, 548 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 4: there is a sound coming off his bat when he 549 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: makes he makes that sweet contact. There's there's really no 550 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: one on the team that has it. 551 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: To that level. 552 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: So they got they just got a ride with him, 553 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 4: just like John Mazilla said all the lastly, they just 554 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 4: have to do it. They can't have doubts. Same with 555 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 4: Jordan Walker. Jordan Walker hasn't looked as great at the 556 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 4: plate and you know he's sort of getting into some 557 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: technical stuff that got him sort of set them back 558 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: and they're but again they're correcting, you. 559 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: Know, on the fly. There's a lot of instruction going 560 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 3: to them. They got to let these guys go. They 561 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: just have to. You know, there's no. 562 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: Turning back, no, because exactly there's none. Because the last 563 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: thing the Saint Louis Cardinals need is them trading away 564 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: young guys because they're frustrated and then have them blossom elsewhere. 565 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: We've all seen way too much of. 566 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: That we have, and that's the whole again. 567 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: The point of the season is to get these guys 568 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: run away without the looming threat or sense of them 569 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: getting sent down. 570 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 4: Right. 571 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: So T Nolan Gorman was never in consideration to be 572 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: optioned with the Mason Winn coming back because of that reason. 573 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: If he was, I would have lit this organization up, 574 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: promise you that, because it goes against everything that they said, 575 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Now they're doing the right thing by giving Gorman and 576 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: Walker run with. And the thing is, these players are 577 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: supposed to slump. They are supposed to struggle, because that's 578 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: how the Cardinals are going to evaluate how to go 579 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: forward with their future, because they need to know how 580 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: to get out of it. 581 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: So do you want. 582 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman slumping? Of course not. 583 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: That's not good for the offensive production, that's not good 584 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: for winning ball games. But do you need them to 585 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: struggle so you can see how they adjust at the 586 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: major league level and find ways to get out of it. Absolutely, 587 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: because that's how you're going to develop or evaluate them 588 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: for their long term production, which is the whole point 589 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: of this transition season. And Cardinals fans, I get it, 590 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: we have not done this before. It's very frustrating. But 591 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: there are going to be times where. 592 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: The Cardinals lose winnable ball games. 593 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: Because they need different key players that they hope to 594 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: be part of the future to take steps forward. And 595 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: that's what we're going to see from Gorman and Walker 596 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: right now as they work through their slumps. 597 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: No, totally, and this is a related observation. Like the 598 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: Cardinals with all their mixed messaging along the way. 599 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 4: You know, the one thing that they I think they've 600 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 4: remained true to and again Goland, excuse me, Gorman got hurt, 601 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: so that's why he sort of he just sort of 602 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 4: got went sideways. But but they they have remained faithful 603 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: to that premise so far. 604 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's about it. 605 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 4: And I and I really do understand why fans will 606 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: get frustrated watching those guys. As much as I pulled 607 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: for them, and I do pull for them, I love 608 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 4: to see talent shine. 609 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 3: You know, I don't. I don't root for failure. 610 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 4: I don't have a problem writing and talking about failure, 611 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: but I don't root for it. 612 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 3: Now, get along exactly. 613 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 4: You know, I got in this business to cover greatness, 614 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: and I've been very blessed to cover a lot of greatness. 615 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. 616 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 4: You know, when John Mozilak in the mixed messaging part 617 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 4: of this, he he talked a lot about, oh, we 618 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 4: could be a surprising team. Oh we're going to be 619 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 4: better than people expect. Well, we think we're going to 620 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: be exciting. 621 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: Well we think. 622 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: Dropping hints almost that they're going to contend. And okay, 623 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 4: but if you think you all these things. 624 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 3: You can do all these things. Why why didn't you 625 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: give your manager a bullpen this year? 626 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: Oh that's so good. I already know what we're talking 627 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: about next episode? 628 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah what why don't you know? Why don't you get 629 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 4: first of all the Oli haters will blame him in 630 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: for everything. 631 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: Right, but he's in this predicament now. 632 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 4: I think when you know he looks around, who do 633 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 4: you trust down there? 634 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 3: I mean you trust Hell's lead. I think you trust 635 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 3: Kyle Lahy And this will be the next episode. So 636 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 3: I'm so I'm teasing forward. 637 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: Uh, I think you're you know, I think you trust 638 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: Philled Mayton to an extent. 639 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can tell me to back up. But 640 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: he had not unlocked about her, not allowed to run 641 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: up until Monday. Actually, you guys do love this pretty quick? Yeah? 642 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: Sure, I love it. 643 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: Good Monday, Monday. 644 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: Afternoon, the three beat writers on the trip or myself, Derrek, 645 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: Oul Johndon, and then we walk into all his office 646 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: and we're just you know, catching up. 647 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: And the three things we. 648 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: Said were that hadn't happened yet were like, till Mayton 649 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: has not walked about her, Till Mayton has not allowed 650 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: an earn run and Allie had done a really nice 651 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: job with umpires. And on Monday, Jill Mayton walks a 652 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: guy here, Alabner and run and Ali got tossed. 653 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: So maybe it's us. Maybe we should just not say 654 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 2: anything anymore. 655 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 3: This bullpen. 656 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with it now because because Fernandez went sideways 657 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 4: and Jojo Romero. If Katie this applies to you too, 658 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 4: you're my friend. I don't want any other member of 659 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 4: the Saint Louis sports media, the baseball media, to talk 660 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 4: about Jojo Romero being a shutdown lefty. He's not okay, 661 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: he's not remotely close to that. Right handed hitters destroy him. 662 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: He's still good against lefties. But with this, you know 663 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 4: the new rule where oh, you come into a game, 664 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: you got to pitch the three batters. 665 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: Let the other managers know this. 666 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: They also know the Cardinals don't have much down there 667 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 4: in terms of quality left handed relief. 668 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: As soon as they send her right handed batter up. 669 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's you know, it's like hunting season, 670 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 4: and it's like he's awful. He's a nice guy. He 671 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: doesn't want to be awful. But and and there were 672 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 4: signs of deterioration. Last year, and this is what I'm 673 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: talking about. You know, if John mos Like wants to 674 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 4: tease the fans and incites them, oh we have we 675 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 4: think we could be pretty good. You know, give your 676 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 4: manager a bullpen to work with. Because when Fernandez went sideways, 677 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 4: that changed a lot. You know, not having Kittridge changed 678 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: a lot. Romero fading badly has changed a lot. But 679 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: did they have a backup plan? Do they have options? 680 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Not? 681 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: Really? 682 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: Study you can say that across the board for the 683 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: entire roster, right right, I mean, just fall with the 684 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: bullpen and for subscribers, commenters, viewers, drop me your questions 685 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: or drop us your questions in the comments about the 686 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: bullpen and bullpen usage. Uh, specifically, if the next two 687 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: games do not go well, I have a phone to 688 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: be talking about it a lot, because Bernie here at 689 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: your spot on with everything you're saying. 690 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 4: I threw something at Ali on Cambo. Actually day I said, listen, 691 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: I understand the six man rotation thing, and I understand 692 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 4: it's going to come and it's going to go, and 693 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 4: it's going to come and it's going to go. 694 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: But you know, you don't have enough left handed. You 695 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 3: don't have a good left handed reliever down there. 696 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 4: All due respect to everybody else, Libertor has got to 697 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: stay in the rotation. 698 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: He deserves it, He's earned it. He's an exciting talent. 699 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: And with all due respect of Michael McGreevy, had this 700 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 4: discussion with a fan. If you gave the other twenty 701 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: nine general managers and said, okay, who do you think 702 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 4: has more upside? Liberator Michael McGreevy, all twenty nine would 703 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 4: say Liberator, yep, this is his time to be in 704 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: the rotation. But what I said to Ali said, why 705 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 4: can't you put Matt's in the bullpen and just when 706 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: you need that spot start, then that six man setup 707 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 4: you call McGreevy up to make that he doesn't have 708 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 4: to stay. 709 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: So part of the show, I was snapping in the 710 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: car on my drive at the stadium. 711 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, you heard that. 712 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And he said he said, we're uh what did 713 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 4: he say, We're we're kicking that around or we're you know, 714 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: I forgot what he said. 715 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: Now I can't remember, but he was basically. 716 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: Along the lines that they talked about it. 717 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: They talked about it. 718 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 4: So there, you know, they're putting a liber tour back 719 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: in the bullpen is not a solution. Putting mats in 720 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 4: the bullpen, in fact, is a solution. Again, I'm not 721 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: coldhearted about this, but he's going to be a free agent. 722 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: He won't be a Cardinal next year. You got to 723 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: invest in something that's going to last if you can. 724 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: Well, Bernie, I think you wrapped us as best as 725 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I could because I think that you're spot on there, 726 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: and I mentioned to see if the bullpen continues to struggle, 727 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: we might see some shuffling leading up into the off 728 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: day on Thursday. I'm going to really evaluate this because 729 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: against the Brewers, especially the series after this, assuming we 730 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: all survive Atlanta, Okay, Monday did our best to wipe 731 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: us out. I'm really intrigued to see what this bullpen 732 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: looks like. And I think you made some fantastic points there. 733 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: Don't worry you all. 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And then we got a 747 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: three quick three game homestand against the Brewers for from 748 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: NL Central action. 749 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: What are we doing? 750 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 3: What do you what? 751 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: Like? 752 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 4: You lose credibility if you're not there at the start 753 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 4: of the national anthem. 754 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: Well, no, I just have nothing. I have nothing, pept 755 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: because here's the background for you viewers. Clubhouse times if 756 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: you're the visiting team, everything is pushed back an hour 757 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: to ninety minutes later. So instead of getting at the 758 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: ball at seven fifteen, so at a home game, I 759 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: would have gotten the ballpark right around three o'clock. Clubhouse 760 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: opened at four o'clock, though, so I lost an hour 761 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: of prep time And my athletic editor is not going 762 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: be very happy with me because I said i'd have 763 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: the story and already and I haven't so. 764 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 3: I as a loyal Athletic subscriber. 765 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: In fact, I kept my subscription when I was working 766 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 4: for the Athletic. Ya you know, seriously, I did that. 767 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: But anyway, I love the Athletic. I love your work. 768 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 4: There's so many great writers. Jeremy Ruttherford's unbelievable. But anyway, 769 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 4: in all sincerity, I look forward to your story. 770 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: I know you're you're probably gonna. 771 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 4: Be writing and writing about the roster machinations, the decisions today. 772 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: I hopefully they'll pop it up there late at night. 773 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: I can read it. Like you know, before. 774 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 4: I'd lay my big fat, my big fat. 775 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 3: Head on the pillow and go to sleep. So that so. 776 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Anyway, although I might turn into based on where we 777 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: are right now it's six forty Eastern time, I might 778 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: turn it into a roster value bation slash gamer. 779 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: So if Nolan Gorman has a good game, that's a 780 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: great day for me. 781 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: There you go, Gorman, help help the woman out. 782 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah please? 783 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: All right, for Bernie, I'm Katie. Thanks for watching Cardinal Territory. 784 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: We're going to be back with you in the middle 785 00:33:51,440 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: of the week. Have a good one.