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Speaker 1: Let's get to jerrymandering.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a complicated story, Ryan, You're going to

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Speaker 3: have to help me out a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: All of it kind.

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Speaker 3: Of starts in Texas, although he can argue about where

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Speaker 3: and when it doesn't. But that was the more most

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Speaker 3: the high profile action now so far. Governor Greg Abbott

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Speaker 3: basically accusing other states of accelerating jerrymandering against Republicans. So

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Speaker 3: him saying no, then we are going to mid decade

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Speaker 3: redistrict in our state, which would lead to more Republicans

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Speaker 3: here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: These legislators have been both They sought money and they

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Speaker 4: offered money to skip the vote to leave the legislature

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Speaker 4: to take a legislative act that would be bribery. And

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Speaker 4: so the facts will have to come out. But I think,

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Speaker 4: based upon comments made by legislators themselves, they face a

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Speaker 4: possibility facing bribery charges, which is a second degree felony

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Speaker 4: in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 5: There's one way to cure that.

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Speaker 4: And that is if they get back to the state

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Speaker 4: of Texas and make quorum today at a hearing that

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Speaker 4: we have at three o'clock, they can cure themselves of

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Speaker 4: any quid pro quo that would subject them to potential

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Speaker 4: bribery charges.

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Speaker 3: So all of the stems from the fact that the

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Speaker 3: Texas the Texas Legislative Body, was going to move forward

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Speaker 3: with these redistricting Democrats didn't have enough votes.

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Speaker 6: You lock, it used to be would do it every

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Speaker 6: ten years, right exactly, Traditionally is done ten years every

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Speaker 6: time there's a new census, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: They're doing a mid level the text.

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Speaker 3: Democrats didn't have the votes to block it, but they

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Speaker 3: didn't enough people to deny a quorum so all the state,

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Speaker 3: all the texts, Democrats left the state. So he's accusing

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Speaker 3: them of taking bribery for leaving the state and for

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Speaker 3: being facilitated by JB. Pritzker or whatever from Illinois. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so that's what happened. So then there is now a threat.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. Governor Abbott

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Speaker 3: says that he will remove from office any Democrat who

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Speaker 3: quote abandons their duty and refused to show up to

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Speaker 3: the state capital at on August fourth. He says, I

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Speaker 3: will use my full extridution authority to demand the return

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Speaker 3: to Texas of any potential out of state felons.

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Speaker 1: That's how he's referring to here.

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Speaker 3: Now, all of this, as I said, stems from that

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Speaker 3: vote in the legislative body where the Texas House actually

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Speaker 3: locked its doors and then approved the motion to arrest

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Speaker 3: warrants for Democrats who broke korum.

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Speaker 1: And here's what happened there.

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Speaker 7: For bails, the surge in arms and any officers appointed

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Speaker 7: by her are directed to send for all absentees whose

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Speaker 7: maintaining their under wards of arrest unnecessary until the word

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Speaker 7: more Republican House.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: So that led then to now the Texas Democrats who

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Speaker 3: that they have no legal mechanism, but broadly rhyme, this

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Speaker 3: is all just about the jerrymandering accusation, which would lead

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Speaker 3: to some five more seats for Republicans in the state. Now,

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Speaker 3: why are Republicans and the White House getting involved even

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Speaker 3: the state. More recently, they're saying, well, hey, Illinois, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 3: all these other Democratic states are jerry mander to hell

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Speaker 1: But what's your analysis here?

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Speaker 6: So it is true in places like Massachusetts, there's basically no,

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Speaker 6: you were going to have representation by portionality, which we

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Speaker 1: We have single Deal, let's make that very members.

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Speaker 6: We don't have that anywhere, then you'd have a couple

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Speaker 6: jerrymander the heck out of those districts to make sure

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Speaker 6: that you put all the Republicans in these in these seats.

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Speaker 6: Like you mentioned the top of the show, I've been

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Speaker 6: covering this for forever now, and it is it is

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Speaker 6: a case where just and I'm saying, I'm saying this

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Speaker 6: objectively speaking, Republicans pushed farther and first on on jerryman

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Speaker 6: entering where they controlled. Let's take Wisconsin, for instance, which

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Speaker 6: in twenty ten, it jerrymandered it to the point where

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Speaker 6: that you'd often have Democratic senators and governors winning. But

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Speaker 6: because they were, they first gerrymandered this Missouri and other places.

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Speaker 6: The first gerrymandered in Michigan the state legislatures, and from there.

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Speaker 1: They jerremandered the federal districts.

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Speaker 6: Whereas and this was a complaint of Democratic voters that

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Speaker 6: Democrats wouldn't fight back because they were in thrall to

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Speaker 6: this idea of good government that because liberals really do

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Speaker 6: and this is a criticism that the left has of liberals.

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Speaker 6: as it's fair. And so in New York and California

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Speaker 6: and some other states where Democrats were in control, they

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Speaker 6: set up these commissions that were designed to try to

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Speaker 6: these the kind of non biased commissions that would do

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Speaker 6: it fairly quote unquote fairly. And so as a result,

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Speaker 6: you could have had many more Democrats in New York

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Speaker 6: And so now there, wellas in Maryland, for instance, they

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Speaker 6: like at seven to one or thing like that. But

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Speaker 6: now with Texas pushing the envelope constantly and doing these

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Speaker 6: And when Texas is an interesting case because not only

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Speaker 6: do you have the shifting politics of different demographics, like oh, now,

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, with all these republic Rats now

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Speaker 6: they're now they're Republicans, So how do we factor that

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Speaker 6: into a jerrymander all of these suburbs that are exploding

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Speaker 6: Or are these you know, are these Midwest folks that

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Speaker 6: and so there it's it's a harder state to jerrymander,

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Speaker 6: which is why they're constantly trying to do it, because

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Speaker 6: and then you have to guess, like, are we going

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Speaker 6: be like so it's it's tricky, but they're trying to

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Speaker 6: do it constantly. And so now and I don't know

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Speaker 6: if we have this next element up now, California and

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Speaker 6: New York are like, screw it. If Texas is going

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Speaker 6: to push this hard, then we're going to respond by

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Speaker 6: throwing out our.

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Speaker 1: Our commissions. Yeah we have they yet. Yeah we can

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Speaker 1: put up New York. Let's go and play D six guys,

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Speaker 1: just to hear from Kathie.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I have newsflash for Republicans in Texas. This

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Speaker 8: is no longer the wild West. We're not going to

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Speaker 8: tolerate our democracy being stole in a modern day stagecoach

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Speaker 8: hoist by a bunch of law breaking cowboys. Americans don't

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Speaker 8: want a system that's stacked against them. They believe in fairness.

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Speaker 8: It's fundamental rigging. The system is un American. But here

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Speaker 8: they are flaggerly breaking the rules. They can hold on to.

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Speaker 1: Power, all right.

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Speaker 6: And at one point in that speech where she seems

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Speaker 6: to be putting on a twang just for the fun

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Speaker 6: of it, Yeah, she says, I'm sorry to the good

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Speaker 6: government groups, but politics has to be about politics, and

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Speaker 6: that is for a lot of Democratic voters refreshing to hear,

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Speaker 6: because they're they're over the like processed stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: Now they're in the trenches and they're ready to go

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Speaker 6: toe to toe over this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Gavin Newsom is joining her. And Gavin he

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Speaker 3: has issued a very similar threat. Let's take a listen

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Speaker 3: to that, please, d five.

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Speaker 9: If we want to still be in this game, we

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Speaker 9: need to disabuse ourselves, disenthrall ourselves of the status quo

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Speaker 9: in the past. We have got to enter a new

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Speaker 9: and we've got to do with the kind of vigor

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Speaker 9: that our kids and grandkids deserve. That liberty and freedom

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Speaker 9: I find the best of Roman Republic and Greek democracy

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Speaker 9: that's on the line unless we stand the line and

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Speaker 9: stand guard this democracy, and that means we got to

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Speaker 9: go on offense, no more defense, go on offense, fight

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Speaker 9: fire with fire. So you asked me, am i in,

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Speaker 9: I'm all in? You asked me, I'm I'm committed. I'm

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Speaker 9: all in, committed and resolved.

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Speaker 1: He's all in.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, So Gavin and I mean, look new York California

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Speaker 3: is two most populous blue states, right, and so they're

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Speaker 3: obviously in California, the most popular state in the country.

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Speaker 1: I don't Newsom saying he can.

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Speaker 6: He's going to call a special election through the redisteresting

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Speaker 6: and then it kicks to.

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Speaker 1: The voters, so the voters would have to approve it.

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Speaker 6: But Newsome and democratic thinking is that as long as

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Speaker 6: it's if it's framed in fairness and good government terms,

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Speaker 6: democratic voters in California, as they've shown in the past,

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Speaker 6: would actually they're against gerrymandering, like as a principal, but

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Speaker 6: setting the principle aside, if they frame it as this

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Speaker 6: is a fight against Trump and these bad Texas Republicans,

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Speaker 6: then it's like a sixty forty issue where California voters

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Speaker 6: probably do end up then approving it.

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Speaker 3: Right, So what they have right and so for example,

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Speaker 3: just so Texas would increase its Republican seats by five, yeah, miraculously,

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Speaker 3: Gavin's plan would reduce GOP representation from nine to four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just fun.

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Speaker 3: And then New York actually, if they join, then they're

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Speaker 3: going to get a couple out of there. And apparently

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Speaker 3: the Vice president will be flying to Indiana in the

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Speaker 3: next two days because Indiana, I think there's one or

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Speaker 3: two seats that they might be able to go. So

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Speaker 3: it's a race to the bottom, you know, now in

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Speaker 3: the whole country, and all of it is about control

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Speaker 3: of the House of Representatives. Ironically, a lot of this

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Speaker 3: If you have landslide years and it just happens to

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Speaker 3: And this is from a Washington Post article from our

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Speaker 3: See that's why I think in a in a way

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Speaker 3: next two years because of the stripping of subsidies. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of the news broadly for the

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Speaker 3: IVF healthcare conversation. But I mean, listen, I guess it'll

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Speaker 3: just continue to summer underneath until anybody does anything about it. Currently,

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Speaker 3: they're far focused on pharmaceuticals, sending demand letters to Swiss

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Speaker 3: companies you must lower your drug prices or something like that,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, well, easier way is to force medicare, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, to just say hey, this is what we're

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Speaker 3: going to pay for your drugs.

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Speaker 6: Take it or leave it, you know, screw off. But

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Speaker 6: apparently that's not what they want to do, right, Well,

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Speaker 6: it ain't free to occupy Gaza. Oh right, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: We can't forward to do everything. That's what we need

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Speaker 1: to raise all of our money for. It makes a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense.

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Speaker 10: All right.

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Speaker 3: We've got abdual l Siad standing by. Let's get to it.

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Speaker 6: Joining us now is doctor Abdul Elsaiad, doctor from Michigan

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Speaker 6: and former gubernatorial candidate. He's now running in the Senate

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Speaker 6: Democratic primary in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Abdul thanks so much for joining us. Good to see you.

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Speaker 10: It's always a privilege to be with you, guys. Thank

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Speaker 10: you for having me.

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Speaker 6: And so I covered your race back in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 6: I remember this one dearly. This was you had this

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Speaker 6: bizarre case of shere thriving. I forget his last name.

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Speaker 6: He's now a member of Congress. We can talk to him,

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Speaker 6: talk about him in a moment. Was a front runner

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Speaker 6: in the in the race until he completely fell apart,

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Speaker 6: exposed basically for fraud. And Gretchen Whitmer and you were

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Speaker 6: then the kind of remaining viable candidates, and she ends

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Speaker 6: up winning the race, becoming Michigan governor. Now kicked around

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Speaker 6: as this national figure. You're coming back in a bid

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Speaker 6: for Senate. What are the differences that you've seen on

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Speaker 6: the ground in you know, this cycle versus twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 6: and you know what makes it plausible for you this time?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Ryan, I appreciate you covering the race then, and

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Speaker 11: it's great to talk to you again.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 11: I said something at the time that I think in

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Speaker 11: the zeitgeist folks weren't quite ready to hear, which is

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Speaker 11: that Donald Trump himself is not the disease in our politics.

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Speaker 11: He's just the symptom of the disease, and the disease

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Speaker 11: is a system by which corporations and billionaires and would

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Speaker 11: be oligarchs can buy politicians buy access to regulation that

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Speaker 11: they basically roll back in ways that empower huge corporations

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Speaker 11: in our lives so that they can suppress the wages

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Speaker 11: we earn and charge us more for the things that

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Speaker 11: we have to buy from them. And I think eight

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Speaker 11: years on, people are a lot more willing to see that,

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Speaker 11: both because Trump got re elected, so we dealt with

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Speaker 11: the symptom, but it came back roaring because we never

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Speaker 11: dealt with the disease, and also because things have just

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Speaker 11: gotten harder for people, whether it is inflation, whether it

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Speaker 11: is the fact that the economy has made it so

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Speaker 11: that the job you worked yesterday is just less secure

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Speaker 11: for you tomorrow, whether it's the impossibility of ever imagining

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Speaker 11: you could buy a home if you're under the age

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Speaker 11: of thirty five, or how hard it's been to stay

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Speaker 11: in your home if you're over the age of sixty five.

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Speaker 11: It's the incredible medical debt that people have accrued to

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Speaker 11: ONO hundred and twenty five billion dollars, which is more

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Speaker 11: than the GDP of the majority of US states. All

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Speaker 11: of that has just made it harder to get buy

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Speaker 11: I've been to forty some different cities across my state,

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Speaker 11: and no matter where I go, people just tell me, look,

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Speaker 11: it just shouldn't be this hard, and I agree, which

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Speaker 11: is why I'm running.

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Speaker 3: So, doctor, I have a question for you about your

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Speaker 3: potential role if you were to win the primary and

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Speaker 3: to get elected. We had potential future colleague on Alyssa

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Speaker 3: Slotkin here on our show, and she would not commit

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Speaker 3: to new leadership in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: I know you've spoken about that with Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 3: So give us an idea of the type of candidates

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Speaker 3: that you would support for Democratic leader and why you

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Speaker 3: think that's important.

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Speaker 11: I've got a clear set of things that i want

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Speaker 11: to accomplish for michiganers and for the American public. The

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Speaker 11: first is I want money, particularly corporate money, in special

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Speaker 11: interest money out of politics. The second is I want

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Speaker 11: to put more money in people's pockets by standing up

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Speaker 11: to big corporations and trusts, making it easier to build

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Speaker 11: and scale a small business, make it easier to join

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Speaker 11: and form a union. And I want to pass Medicare

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Speaker 11: for all and whoever it is who's given me the

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Speaker 11: best commitment to standing for those causes and giving us

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Speaker 11: the best chance at passing that legislation to earn my vote. Look,

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Speaker 11: I've got a lot of questions about current leadership, but

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Speaker 11: I'm not willing to tell you I'm going this way

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Speaker 11: or the other without knowing who my options are, because

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Speaker 11: if they give me John Fetterman, I'm certainly not.

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Speaker 10: Voting for him.

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Speaker 11: So all of that is to say that I'm going

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Speaker 11: to vote my conscience based on what I'm seeing. The

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Speaker 11: last point here that I also have to call out

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Speaker 11: is the fact we've got to be honest about how

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Speaker 11: we are misappropriating our money abroad, sending blank checks to

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Speaker 11: fund genocides abroad, when we've got hungry kids here at

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Speaker 11: home who deserve so much more and so much better.

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Speaker 11: So rather than starving kids abroad, I want to feed

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Speaker 11: our starving kids here at home. And so I'm going

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Speaker 11: to support leadership that understands that, that has the moral

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Speaker 11: clarity on those issues. And I'm going to make a

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Speaker 11: choice between the options that I've got for folks who

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Speaker 11: are vying for that leadership.

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Speaker 6: I want to briefly play a clip from Corey Booker

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Speaker 6: speaking about Zora, Mom, Donnie, because I think that his

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Speaker 6: race in New York plays an interesting role in this

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Speaker 6: Michigan race, and I'll ask about it first.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll this Booker clip f one, Mom and Donnie,

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Speaker 1: Are you going to support him?

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Speaker 5: I have learned a long time ago. Let New York

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Speaker 5: politics be New York politics. We got enough challenges in Jersey.

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Speaker 5: I got a governor's race. I'm supporting Mikey Cheryl, I

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Speaker 5: got legislative races. That's where my energy is going to go.

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Speaker 5: Going to November New York City. I love you. You're

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Speaker 5: my neighbor. You're about ten miles from where I live.

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Speaker 5: You guys figure out your elections. I'm going to folks

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Speaker 5: on mine.

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Speaker 6: I mean. Normally a Democratic politician asked about the Democratic

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Speaker 6: nominee next door, he says, yeah, of course I support

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Speaker 6: the Democratic nominee. Keem Jeffries has declined to do so,

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Speaker 6: Chuck Schumer, tons of other you know, top Democrats have

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Speaker 6: declined to do so. When I watch you campaigning out

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Speaker 6: in Michigan, not only on the substance of your of

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Speaker 6: your campaign, but also on the style of it, it

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Speaker 6: feels similar like you know, you're out there on TikTok

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Speaker 6: and Instagram, you quick kind of some quick quick cut edits,

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Speaker 6: you know, talking to people on the ground. You know, Mom, Donnie,

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Speaker 6: you know, we kind of launched his campaign just talking

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Speaker 6: to people for several months asking them, you know, why

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Speaker 6: did you vote for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: For insis?

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Speaker 6: What was it that made you do that when you

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Speaker 6: hadn't voted for him in the past. So, how has

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Speaker 6: how do you see yourself in relation to mom done?

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Speaker 6: And howe has his victory kind of influenced the Michigan race.

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Speaker 11: Roan, let me give you a perspective from on the

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Speaker 11: ground in Michigan, because I've been to forty plus different

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Speaker 11: cities now, done over one hundred events in our state,

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Speaker 11: and everywhere I go, it's this fascinating thing because when

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Speaker 11: I talked to Democrats over the age of fifty, they're

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Speaker 11: astounded that they see democrats under the age of fifty

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Speaker 11: at my events.

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Speaker 10: And they're always like, how'd you do it? How'd you

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Speaker 10: get the young people out?

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Speaker 11: And I'm like, well, I'm talking about the issues that

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Speaker 11: young people are facing, in the language that young people

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Speaker 11: are using, about what they'd like to see as solutions.

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Speaker 11: I'm talking about things like Medicare for all, I'm talking

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Speaker 11: about housing affordability, I'm talking about AI coming for their

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Speaker 11: jobs in ways that could indelibly change our economy because

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Speaker 11: of the weird incentives we've created around the system, because

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Speaker 11: again it's driven by greed and corporate profits. And so yeah,

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Speaker 11: they're coming because they see themselves in our political movement.

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Speaker 11: And one of the interesting things that I think all

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Speaker 11: Democrats should be paying attention to is we've lost young people.

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Speaker 11: It's been a slow trickle, and now it's almost like

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Speaker 11: a breaking of a damn when you look at twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty four. So we probably want to pay attention to

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Speaker 11: elections where young people turned out. And the most interesting

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Speaker 11: thing about that New York Democratic primary is that there

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Speaker 11: was an inversion of the usual demographics of the race.

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Speaker 11: You saw young people coming out and voting at higher

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Speaker 11: rates than their elders. That doesn't usually happen in our politics,

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Speaker 11: particularly in Democratic primary. So I would imagine that any

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Speaker 11: Democrat who's committed to the future of the party would

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Speaker 11: be committed to those people who are literally have the

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Speaker 11: highest stake in that future, who are young people and

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Speaker 11: would want to learn a thing or two or get

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Speaker 11: behind a movement that is including those young people in

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Speaker 11: our politics. We're doing that here. We learned a lot

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Speaker 11: from how they did that in New York. And if

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Speaker 11: young people don't turn out for what you're talking about,

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Speaker 11: you really really need to think about the sustainability of

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Speaker 11: what you're building.

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Speaker 1: Doctor, do you want to win this race? You're going

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Speaker 1: to have to win a state where.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump won by some one point four percent in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. What's your diagnosis of what the Democrats

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Speaker 3: did wrong in twenty twenty four to lose to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 11: Look, I'm really thinking about the lessons we can learn,

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Speaker 11: and I think the challenge that we've had too often

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Speaker 11: is that Democrats haven't been willing to actually go out

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Speaker 11: and talk about the issues that people are facing. I

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Speaker 11: think we tend to think about these elections in terms

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Speaker 11: of left and right, but that's frankly a manufactured lens

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Speaker 11: for the consumption of people who think about politics as

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Speaker 11: a hobby. I don't think about left and right, and

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Speaker 11: I don't think most voters think about left and right.

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Speaker 11: I think about whether or not our politics service the

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Speaker 11: people who've been locked out of the system, or they

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Speaker 11: service the people who have locked them out, and I

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Speaker 11: think what they're seeing in our movement and the reason

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Speaker 11: we're getting such a diverse grouping of people, people who

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Speaker 11: voted for Donald Trump and people who have never voted

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Speaker 11: in their lives at our events is because we're talking

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Speaker 11: to the people who have been locked out in language

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Speaker 11: that critiques and identify why they've been locked out and

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Speaker 11: what it means to build a system where they are

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Speaker 11: also included.

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Speaker 10: If we're able to do that, I think we can win.

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Speaker 11: And I hate to say it, Democrats too often have

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Speaker 11: costplayed the folks who have locked people out. They assiduously

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Speaker 11: avoid issues that are really important to everyday people but

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Speaker 11: are uncomfortable to talk about.

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Speaker 10: And I hate to say it.

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Speaker 11: When it comes to Donald Trump, he's usually pretty good

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Speaker 11: at just saying what comes to his mind. However insane

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Speaker 11: and driven by his narcissism that it is. But it

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Speaker 11: doesn't feel like he's trying to lock you out of something,

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Speaker 11: even though his politics have done exactly that, and his

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Speaker 11: policies have been terrible for a lot of these folks

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Speaker 11: who have been locked out.

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Speaker 10: So we've got to go where people are.

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Speaker 11: We've got to speak in language that addresses the challenges

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Speaker 11: that they face. They have to see themselves as part

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Speaker 11: of our movement, and if we do that, we win,

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Speaker 11: and more importantly, we can win the future of our politics,

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Speaker 11: giving people more health care rather than taking away, making

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Speaker 11: sure that the rich the ultra rich pay their fair share,

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Speaker 11: rather than being in a situation where they are keeping

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Speaker 11: more and more of the value that's created by everyday

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Speaker 11: folks who just want to be able to get by.

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Speaker 6: So, there haven't been many polls in your race, but

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Speaker 6: the ones that have been conducted seem to have you

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Speaker 6: and Congresswoman Haley Stevens kind of neck and neck. And

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Speaker 6: then you've got state Senator I think, former Media Matters person, who's.

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Speaker 1: Down at maybe ten or eleven percent.

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Speaker 6: Stevens had the support of a strong support of APAK

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Speaker 6: an enormous amount of money in our last race to

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Speaker 6: beat a Democrat to get back into Congress. What is

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Speaker 6: your plan if major APAC money comes into Michigan heading

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Speaker 6: into the primary.

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Speaker 10: So I'll say a couple of things about this.

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Speaker 11: First and foremost, I've been clear and I'm not afraid

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Speaker 11: of APAC because to me, my moral integrity means everything.

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Speaker 11: And I think any Democrat today should agree that MAGA

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Speaker 11: billionaire money flooding democratic primaries should not be what dictates

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Speaker 11: who comes out of democratic primaries. I want that to

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Speaker 11: be something that everybody agrees to. Now I know that

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Speaker 11: others are probably not, but also say this that on

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Speaker 11: the merits of the issue, we have been watching as

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Speaker 11: our taxpayer dollars have been subsidizing a genocide perpetrated by

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Speaker 11: the most extreme element of another country who's received blank

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Speaker 11: checks from US for a very long time. I think

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Speaker 11: people look at their kids' schools, they look at their

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Speaker 11: healthcare centers, they look at their infrastructure, and they ask,

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Speaker 11: why are we sending money over there to bomb out

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Speaker 11: other people's infrastructures in their schools and kill their kids

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Speaker 11: when we could be invested in our own children here

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Speaker 11: at home.

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Speaker 10: And there's something.

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Speaker 11: About the obvious nature of what is being done over

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Speaker 11: there that I think a lot of Democrats ought to

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Speaker 11: pay attention to, because here's the thing about it. If

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Speaker 11: you're not willing to see truth for truth and address

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Speaker 11: and ask questions about the enforced language that MAGA billionaires

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Speaker 11: try and enforce on the Democratic Party, then when you

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Speaker 11: walk around saying that you're going to stand up to

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Speaker 11: corporations and billionaires to make people's lives more to affordable

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Speaker 11: people kind of question whether or not you actually have

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Speaker 11: the fortitude or the moral clarity to do either of

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Speaker 11: those things. And so I'm willing to go toe to

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Speaker 11: toe on this question because I think it's right. And

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Speaker 11: I'm also willing to go toe to toe on this

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Speaker 11: question because it demonstrates that I don't back down to anybody,

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Speaker 11: whether it's MAGA billionaires funding their money through APAC on

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Speaker 11: this question, or its corporations like pharmaceuticals or insurance companies

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Speaker 11: who want to tell us that we cannot actually have

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Speaker 11: guaranteed health care in America. Those questions are one and

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Speaker 11: the same, and I think we win on the courage

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Speaker 11: of our convictions by stating our values clearly and having

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Speaker 11: conversations with people in their VFW halls, their town halls,

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Speaker 11: their living rooms about what we aim to do.

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Speaker 3: But Doctor, does that include your fellow Democrats. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can call it MAGA billionaires. I don't think that's

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Speaker 3: necessarily incorrect. There's a lot of Democrats out there WHOAYPAC recipients.

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Speaker 3: In fact, some of them are in Israel right now

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Speaker 3: on an APAC funded trip. Your potential future colleague, Lissa

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Speaker 3: Slackin was on his show, refused to say the word genocide,

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Speaker 3: waffled a little bit on offensive weapons.

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Speaker 1: Who actually attended Colbert.

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Speaker 3: Some of this is going to be uncomfortable to require

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Speaker 3: you taking on people in your own party, something that

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Speaker 3: you're willing to do if you're elected.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I've been willing to do it from day one.

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Speaker 11: To me, it is about what we do to deliver

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Speaker 11: for the people in our state, how we're able to

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Speaker 11: address the fact that their groceries are too expensive, their

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Speaker 11: healthcare has become unaffordable. It's a principal cause of debt

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Speaker 11: in this country about how we're willing to stand up

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Speaker 11: to the corporations who have rigged our system, and yes,

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Speaker 11: the special interest who have rigged our system. I'm willing

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Speaker 11: to stand up to anybody and everybody, and I have

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Speaker 11: taken on my own party on this issue. I'm also

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Speaker 11: glad to see that more of my party is starting

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Speaker 11: to find moral clarity on this. But I want to

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Speaker 11: ask us all a big question here. Imagine, rather than

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Speaker 11: in the summer of twenty twenty five, all of us

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Speaker 11: were faced with these images of children whose ribs you

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Speaker 11: could see through their skin and had to confront the

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Speaker 11: reality that we were subsidizing a genocide. Imagine, instead of

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Speaker 11: having that moral clarity in the summer of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 11: we had that moral clarity in the summer of twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty four. Maybe we would never be in a situation

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Speaker 11: where an extra ten thousand, tens of thousands.

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Speaker 10: Of innocent people were killed.

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Speaker 11: We wouldn't be watching as food was used as a

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Speaker 11: weapon of war, and maybe, just maybe, the clarity on

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Speaker 11: this issue might have changed the outcome of the twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty four election. Look, I endorse Kamala Harris because I

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Speaker 11: knew that Donald Trump would be worse whether you're talking

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Speaker 11: from the eyes of a child in Detroit or the

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Speaker 11: eyes of a child in Gaza. But it was so

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Speaker 11: frustrating to watch our party fail to take on the

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Speaker 11: obvious issue of a genocide. And I am hoping that

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Speaker 11: we are learning from this mistake and that we are

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Speaker 11: willing to become the party of peace again, because look,

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Speaker 11: my second presidential election was I got to vote for

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Speaker 11: a guy named brock Usain Obama who bucked his party

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Speaker 11: on the issue of war in Iraq.

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Speaker 10: I think Democrats want peace.

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Speaker 11: I think Democrats want to be on the right side

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Speaker 11: of history, and I know the Democrats that I'm talking

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Speaker 11: to every day they want that desperately.

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Speaker 10: And that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 11: And I think we're going to win a race because

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Speaker 11: we're willing to have the moral clarity, whether it is

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Speaker 11: against the pharmaceutical corporations who are raising people's drug prices,

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Speaker 11: or it's against the subsidies toward a genocide in God.

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Speaker 6: Last question for me, why do you think Trump won

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Speaker 6: the state of Michigan And what role do you think

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Speaker 6: the genocide did actually play in the final outcome, and hey,

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Speaker 6: particular the Democratic support for it.

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Speaker 11: Look, I hate to say it, because it is about

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Speaker 11: moral clarity.

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Speaker 10: It is about integrity.

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Speaker 11: It is about strength for us to say that we're

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Speaker 11: going to stand up to corporate power, or we're going

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Speaker 11: to stand up to lobbyists, or we're going to stand

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Speaker 11: up to the oligarchs who are rigging and dominating our system.

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Speaker 11: You've got to show that you can both see what

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Speaker 11: the problem is and that you're willing to have the

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Speaker 11: strength to take it on. But if you can't see

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Speaker 11: a genocide being perpetrated and you don't have the strength

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Speaker 11: to take it on. It forces his people to ask

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Speaker 11: whether or not you actually have the strength to take

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Speaker 11: on all of the folks who have been rigging the

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Speaker 11: system in ways that have made our lives more affordable.

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Speaker 11: So I do think it played a really important role,

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Speaker 11: and it certainly played an important role here in Michigan.

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Speaker 11: But I think Donald Trump won via a combination of things.

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Speaker 11: I think our party wasn't willing to face up to

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Speaker 11: the fact that for far too long we didn't have

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Speaker 11: a nominee who could withstand the role of the office.

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Speaker 11: Is handling of gaz that demonstrated that. I think we

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Speaker 11: weren't able to mount a campaign that was true and

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Speaker 11: honest to our convictions. And I think for a lot

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Speaker 11: of people they were able to ask, they had to

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Speaker 11: ask themselves, who is actually going to unlock the system

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Speaker 11: that has locked me out. I am so terribly sad

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Speaker 11: as somebody who both endorsed Kamala Harris and understands how

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Speaker 11: dangerous Donald Trump has been even in his first six

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Speaker 11: months that Donald Trump won that election.

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Speaker 10: And at the same time, the question for Democrats.

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Speaker 11: Has to be, Okay, so how do we go back

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Speaker 11: and get the voters we lost?

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Speaker 10: I think.

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Speaker 11: It starts with being one hundred percent honest about what

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Speaker 11: happened in twenty twenty four. It starts with being one

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Speaker 11: hundred percent honest about the ways that we were wrong

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Speaker 11: on policy issues that are so clear. And it starts

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Speaker 11: with being one hundred percent honest about what it will

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Speaker 11: take to stand up to corporate and oligopoly power that

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Speaker 11: is rendering people's lives unaffordable for us. To me, as

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Speaker 11: someone who wants to be enitor from Michigan, the question

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Speaker 11: for me is always what do we do with our

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Speaker 11: tax dollars? Can we actually rebuild our schools? Can we

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Speaker 11: provide everybody healthcare? Can we invest in our infrastructure? Can

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Speaker 11: we make it easier for you to afford your basic needs?

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Speaker 11: And that means that our money should be spent here,

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Speaker 11: And it means that we are willing to stand.

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Speaker 10: Up the power.

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Speaker 11: Whether those powerful people may agree with us on some

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Speaker 11: issues or they may not. It is about calling it

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Speaker 11: how you see it, and it is about being willing

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Speaker 11: to stand up to the powerful who want to enforce

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Speaker 11: a system that makes you double check or rethink the

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Speaker 11: reality you see with your own I all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll follow your race with great interest there. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate you having me. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Emily and beyond tomorrow. Thank you Ryan.

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Speaker 3: It's great to see you man, and have a great

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Speaker 3: Counterpoy show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: See you later Up