Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Wik Eppa Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from Eastern Shore, Maryland. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to start off today's show with
Speaker 1: my absolute and continued fucking annoyance with mainstream media. So
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of last week, uh, Mike
Speaker 1: Allen at Axios decided to put up an article where
Speaker 1: once again the mainstream media, along with many Democrats right,
Speaker 1: want to preempt their mid term election failure, right which
Speaker 1: you know is several months away, but they want to
Speaker 1: preempt that failure by pinning it on whom not Joe
Speaker 1: Mansion and Kirsten Cinema, the two white obstructionists who have
Speaker 1: been the sole reasons as to Biden's agenda being pretty
Speaker 1: much dead in the water. Outside of physical infrastructure, we
Speaker 1: have no voting rights, we have no police reform, We
Speaker 1: have kind of mixed mixed bag as it pertains to
Speaker 1: the human Infrastructure Bill, which is stalled because Joe Mansion
Speaker 1: doesn't believe that family should have child tax credits or
Speaker 1: parental leave, and so in this article written by Mike
Speaker 1: Allen att Axios, they've decided to begin to begin their
Speaker 1: blame game on the Squad, saying that the squad's liberal
Speaker 1: politics is backfiring in a very real way. Do you
Speaker 1: know what's backfiring bullshit right now? What is backfiring is
Speaker 1: the fact that the Biden administration, Joe Biden, our president,
Speaker 1: believed that he was going to be able to waltz
Speaker 1: into the White House, into this administration, and go back
Speaker 1: onto the hill with his white cronies and get them
Speaker 1: to side with him over you know, a glass of
Speaker 1: scotch in some conversation that he apparently hadn't been paying
Speaker 1: attention to the last four years under Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: to his time as vice president under Barack Obama to
Speaker 1: recognize who these people actually are and who they've become. Right,
Speaker 1: and then you get into office and it's not only
Speaker 1: Republicans that you're battling against, but you're battling against the
Speaker 1: so called bullshit moderates, which they are not moderates. I
Speaker 1: am so fucking tired of us referring to Joe Mansion,
Speaker 1: who is a Republican in fucking sheep's clothing, alongside Cinema,
Speaker 1: who is also a Republican in sheep's clothing, as moderates, right,
Speaker 1: because that gives that language allows people to think that, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, that they want change, but that those of
Speaker 1: us who are progressive and coin ourselves as liberal are
Speaker 1: just pushing too far, too much right, as if we
Speaker 1: should be slow rolling our progress after the fucking steamroll
Speaker 1: job that the Trump administration and Republicans did over the
Speaker 1: last four years, and what is happening at the state
Speaker 1: and fucking local level, as it pertains to voting restrictions
Speaker 1: and suppression, as it pertains to book banning right and
Speaker 1: changing of public school education curriculum to ensure that white
Speaker 1: people and white children are not uncomfortable with, you know,
Speaker 1: the reality of America. So, instead of once again shining
Speaker 1: the spotlight on white people and white members of Congress
Speaker 1: who don't actually want progress because it is not good
Speaker 1: for their own bottom line, for their own pocketbooks and wallets, right,
Speaker 1: instead of the focus being on that, they have decided
Speaker 1: to begin the spin job and tell us that the
Speaker 1: reason why Democrats are failing is because they're too fucking liberal. Folks.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and this is a thing that continues
Speaker 1: to piss me off about Democrats. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting to a place where I want
Speaker 1: to say that I'm one of those bullshit independents, because
Speaker 1: it is embarrassing at this point in time to be
Speaker 1: referring to myself as a Democrat a party that doesn't
Speaker 1: actually give a shit about me. That they want to
Speaker 1: come around, right and pander to the black community, pander
Speaker 1: to brown communities and say, oh, we need your vote, right,
Speaker 1: and then they disappear for two four years at a time.
Speaker 1: And then when they fail to meet the agenda of
Speaker 1: those communities and they fail to increase excitement and enthusiasm
Speaker 1: around the policies that they're putting forward or their campaign
Speaker 1: promises that they continue to fucking break, then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they turn around and they want to blame
Speaker 1: us for their inadequacies, right, And I'm tired of the
Speaker 1: same cycle over and over and over again, because, frankly,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You see what Republicans are doing with
Speaker 1: their younger right, their freshmen and sophomore classes of folks,
Speaker 1: those fucking fringe right wing crazy, batshit crazy people. Marjorie
Speaker 1: Taylor Green, Laura Boubert, this is the face of the
Speaker 1: Republican Party. This is who they are. And you would think,
Speaker 1: right that if Republicans can embrace crazy and say that
Speaker 1: these people are their future. How is it that we
Speaker 1: are still in a place where we don't recognize that
Speaker 1: the AOC's, the Rashida Telebs, the Ayana Pressley's are actually
Speaker 1: the future of the Democratic Party. They are not the future.
Speaker 1: They are the now, because they are the ones that
Speaker 1: are telling it like it is and are seeing, right,
Speaker 1: our democracy go down the toilet, are seeing the fact
Speaker 1: that if we do not intervene in the climate crisis,
Speaker 1: which we are all currently experiencing with major shifts in
Speaker 1: whether this summer, I mean this winter, right which feels
Speaker 1: right like spring is happening in February, when one day
Speaker 1: it's sixty five degrees in New York and then the
Speaker 1: next day there's a snowstorm, and that is actually a
Speaker 1: trend that is happening across the country. So we're's experiencing
Speaker 1: climate change in real action. And yet they're being looked
Speaker 1: at as lunatics for wanting us to move forward with
Speaker 1: a Green New Deal, right that, because they talk about
Speaker 1: voter suppression and what is happening in the fact that
Speaker 1: we actually need to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights
Speaker 1: Act that no they're seen as pushing too much. I
Speaker 1: don't understand what Democrats are thinking right now. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how they think that throwing throwing the progressive people
Speaker 1: of color in their party who are willing to stand
Speaker 1: up and tell the truth about white supremacy, that are
Speaker 1: willing to stand up and tell the truth about obstructionism,
Speaker 1: that are willing to stand up and tell the truth
Speaker 1: right about who their friends and foes actually are and
Speaker 1: that they are within their own party. That this is
Speaker 1: who you're choosing to throw under the bus and allow
Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema off scott free, Like those are the
Speaker 1: people that the fucking administration wants to invite over for
Speaker 1: coffee and tea to come to some agreement. But you
Speaker 1: want to throw out the squad, go fuck yourself, because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that the decisions that are being made
Speaker 1: right now, right about this kind of mainstream drip and
Speaker 1: dribble of news that's saying who we're going to blame
Speaker 1: it is going to backfire big time on Democrats, and
Speaker 1: it will not be the fault of the squad. It
Speaker 1: will be the fault of the inadequate, fucking, spineless white
Speaker 1: members of Congress who have decided that, you know what,
Speaker 1: equity is just a little too much and a little
Speaker 1: too soon, and I'm simply I'm over it. And they're
Speaker 1: going to watch in droves as people of color decide
Speaker 1: to stay the fuck home, right, as young people who
Speaker 1: you continue to give out drips and drabs. They've asking
Speaker 1: for student loan debt relief, right to erase it, to
Speaker 1: take off the anchor that is holding these people back
Speaker 1: from being able to contribute more to our economy, which
Speaker 1: apparently is more important than anything. Right, relieving that student
Speaker 1: loan debt is what can jump start us. But no right,
Speaker 1: because greed is good. As I've said so many times before,
Speaker 1: we are a country filled with Gordon Geckos, Right, That's
Speaker 1: who we are. And it is so easy and typical
Speaker 1: right for white mainstream media to once again who is
Speaker 1: going to be their battering ram, And it's going to
Speaker 1: be the people of color that dare to speak out,
Speaker 1: that dare to say that our policies are unjust and
Speaker 1: that our democracy is failing, and that we need to
Speaker 1: we need a new agenda. But those are the people
Speaker 1: that you go after, not the mansions, not the cinemas.
Speaker 1: And I'm tired, tired of it. So Mike Allen and
Speaker 1: Axios in your stories and everyone else that's getting ready
Speaker 1: to piggyback off of that bullshit, I see you, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you the fuck out friends on some
Speaker 1: good news, just a little bit right, I want to
Speaker 1: transition into a little bit of hope. Coming up next
Speaker 1: is my weekly conversation with our friend host of Justice
Speaker 1: Matters and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirshner. Over at the
Speaker 1: end of last week and over the weekend, news broke
Speaker 1: that there was actually progress made on the part of
Speaker 1: the civil case that is being put together by New
Speaker 1: York Age Tish James against the Trump organization that she
Speaker 1: right has been granted the ability to be able to
Speaker 1: depose not only Donald Trump but his fucking spawn right,
Speaker 1: the whole crime Operation family. They have one one possible
Speaker 1: move left, which is to appeal to the New York
Speaker 1: State Supreme Court, which Glenn will tell us in our
Speaker 1: upcoming interview will most likely be slapped down. But folks,
Speaker 1: I know it. We've been collectively holding our breath. We've
Speaker 1: been collectively trying to wait patiently for justice to prevail.
Speaker 1: But I want to get your thoughts on whether or
Speaker 1: not you think after listening to this interview, if we
Speaker 1: are finally finally approaching that time that Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: his family of criminals have finally run out of rope.
Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next. Folks. You know that
Speaker 1: I am always so excited when we have our friend
Speaker 1: MSNBC legal analyst and host of Justice Matter, Glenn Kirschner,
Speaker 1: to join us to walk through the latest in all
Speaker 1: of the legal news surrounding Donald Trump. Now, Glenn, last week,
Speaker 1: we ended the week annoyed, right because we are still
Speaker 1: waiting for the Department of Justice to come out heavy
Speaker 1: to actually hold these criminals accountable. But some news out
Speaker 1: of New York, which you and I have been talking about,
Speaker 1: New York Attorney General Letitia James is now going to
Speaker 1: be able to question not only Donald Trump, but to
Speaker 1: question what I refer to as his spawn, because I
Speaker 1: cannot stand that the media refers to forty year old
Speaker 1: people as children and infantilizes the Trump spawn. So tell
Speaker 1: us why this move in New York is significant, and
Speaker 1: because we have two states right that we've been keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on, Georgia and New York because again, the
Speaker 1: Department of justice, in my eyesight, is nowhere to be
Speaker 1: found in terms of what kind of investigation that they're
Speaker 1: doing into Trump. Give us the latest out of New
Speaker 1: York yet, Danielle, it's not just the ruling that was
Speaker 1: made by this New York State Court judge, Judge Arthur Endgaron.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing his name right, But it's what
Speaker 1: he put, what he disclosed in his eight page ruling
Speaker 1: that he just issued. So this is actually a fairly
Speaker 1: routine battle over whether somebody will have to comply with
Speaker 1: a subpoena. We call it a motion to quash. These
Speaker 1: things get litigated in every jurisdiction every day around the country.
Speaker 1: This one's notable because it's for Donald Trump and Don
Speaker 1: Junior and Ivanka. But so the judge not only rejected
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's claim that he shouldn't be forced to sit
Speaker 1: for a deposition in a G. James civil fraud investigation.
Speaker 1: But here are a couple of things. He said that
Speaker 1: in my thirty years of prosecutor, I haven't seen judges
Speaker 1: put this kind of stuff in their orders in these
Speaker 1: kind of routine motions. He said, I reviewed thousands of
Speaker 1: pages of documents that ag james office subpoenaed from Trump
Speaker 1: and the Trump Organization, and after he reviewed all of
Speaker 1: that evidence. Here's what he said, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: quote it. When a state attorney general commences an investigation
Speaker 1: and uncovers copious evidence of possible financial fraud, she has
Speaker 1: an absolute right to question under oath the organization's namesake,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And then he added that if Attorney General
Speaker 1: James had not opened this investigation and had not subpoenaed
Speaker 1: Trump and Don Junior and Avanca, it would have been
Speaker 1: quote a derrell of duty. In other words, this judge
Speaker 1: has seen so much evidence of fraud that he dumped
Speaker 1: those findings and conclusions into this eight page ruling, which
Speaker 1: I urge everybody to read, and it's a really ominous sign.
Speaker 1: I know, we feel like the investigative circle has been
Speaker 1: tightening around Donald Trump forever. That doesn't mean that's not true,
Speaker 1: but you know, we're frustrated, we're impatient, we're tired of
Speaker 1: a lack of accountability. And I did a long video
Speaker 1: yesterday about how we have to try to balance that
Speaker 1: frustration with the need for patients in what is an
Speaker 1: unprecedented series of crimes by our highest government. Officials. So
Speaker 1: let's give it. Let's provide a bit of a recap, right,
Speaker 1: because again to your point, there are so many cases
Speaker 1: pending against Donald Trump. So with New York, this is
Speaker 1: a civil case, right, This is about the Trump organization
Speaker 1: as a whole and their fraudulent behavior. This is it
Speaker 1: similar to the way that Letitia James that New York
Speaker 1: ag was able to shut down the foundation? Is this
Speaker 1: is this the similar kind of mode of operation that
Speaker 1: New York is taking now with the entirety of the
Speaker 1: of the Trump organization. It is this is basically a
Speaker 1: civil financial fraud case. Just as Tish James went after
Speaker 1: the Trump Foundation, the charitable foundation and shut it down
Speaker 1: and made them pay fines and penalties, just as they
Speaker 1: went after the Trump University sham and shut it down
Speaker 1: and made them pay fines and penalties. Danielle, the smart
Speaker 1: money right now is on Tish James completely shuttering the
Speaker 1: Trump organization in its entirety and bankrupting it by making
Speaker 1: them pay huge fines and penalties and perhaps restitution and
Speaker 1: back taxes to the city and the state, hopefully ultimately defense.
Speaker 1: This is really the death knell of the Trump organization.
Speaker 1: But don't forget. There's also a tandem criminal investigation being
Speaker 1: conducted by Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney in Manhattan. The
Speaker 1: organization has criminally indicted Alan Weisselberg, the chief financial officer,
Speaker 1: is criminally indicted, and Donald Trump is up next. I
Speaker 1: would bet a buck on it. Okay, So here we
Speaker 1: have now the New York has been working in tandem
Speaker 1: with one with one another with a civil investigation, a
Speaker 1: criminal investigation, all including the Trump organization. When we say
Speaker 1: the Trump organization, this is their real estate businesses, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming right, all of the licensers and things that they
Speaker 1: and things that they do. Is it possible though that?
Speaker 1: What what do you anticipate? And again Trump does not
Speaker 1: surround himself with the best or the brightest. What do
Speaker 1: you anticipate the defense to be? The understanding around the
Speaker 1: pushback with regard to the deposit is what Trump is
Speaker 1: above the law, He's president. What were what was the
Speaker 1: pushback from the Trump lawyers and what do you anticipate
Speaker 1: the maneuvers or the sliminess that I'm referring not you,
Speaker 1: that they will try and do to outmaneuver Tiss James
Speaker 1: and getting Donald Trump in front of a camera in
Speaker 1: a room to ask him questions. So they really tried
Speaker 1: to make two They tried two things in defense of,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to avoid these subpoenas. They said, Tiss
Speaker 1: James is biased against us. The judge said, nonsense, Just
Speaker 1: because a prosecutor dislikes you doesn't mean they can't prosecute you.
Speaker 1: So the judge completely rejected that. And then the second
Speaker 1: was that somehow Donald Trump is being selectively prosecuted based
Speaker 1: on a protected class, And the judge said, what class
Speaker 1: would that be? Race, religion, gender, nicity. Yeah, denied they
Speaker 1: had no principle basis for their claim that they shouldn't
Speaker 1: be forced to sit in a deposition in a civil case.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Danielle, the judge threw real shade
Speaker 1: at the Trump lawyers when he said right in the middle,
Speaker 1: he compared them to George Orwell and specifically said, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like George Orwell, war is peace, freedom is slavery,
Speaker 1: and ignorance is strength. And then he added, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like quote alternative facts. So he even in
Speaker 1: his motion threw some shade at Kelly Anne Conway propagandist
Speaker 1: that she is lumped her together with George Orwell. A
Speaker 1: beautiful move. And that was in response, mind you, to
Speaker 1: the Trump lawyers saying, when our accounting firm Massars walked
Speaker 1: away from us and said they're walking away from ten
Speaker 1: years of their accounting work because inferentially the Trump organization
Speaker 1: gave them our Bidge numbers. They said, that's a complete
Speaker 1: exoneration and that should shut down Tiss James civil case
Speaker 1: and Alvin Bragg's criminal case. And the judge said, I
Speaker 1: can't let this go unaddressed, and he accused them of
Speaker 1: Orwellian propaganda. And I'm glad he did, because it looks
Speaker 1: like certain segments of the judiciary are sick and tired
Speaker 1: and fed up with Donald Trump's bs when he tries
Speaker 1: to weaponize the delay in the court system to work
Speaker 1: to his advantage and run out the clock. The courts
Speaker 1: seem to be done with that. I mean, and this
Speaker 1: isn't even about the election, but I mean with the
Speaker 1: frivolousness right of their defense, the cases that they bring,
Speaker 1: the appeals, the motions that they put in place, like
Speaker 1: it is nonsense, right, and for people who actually believe
Speaker 1: in the rule of law, regardless of how you got
Speaker 1: on the courts to begin with. Right, if you believe
Speaker 1: in the rule of law, then their behavior is a
Speaker 1: slap in the face. Right, So tell us now, because
Speaker 1: you know I get my law degree from Law and
Speaker 1: Order on NBC, So tell me, tell us what we
Speaker 1: can expect and what what what happens in a deposition
Speaker 1: and will Donald Trump go first? Will it be a
Speaker 1: vanka um do? And if they are now because of
Speaker 1: this motion, by what the judge has said, they're out
Speaker 1: of appeals, right, so they can't stop one more appeal, Okay,
Speaker 1: one more appeal to a higher New York state court,
Speaker 1: which I think will be rejected summarily, hopefully very quickly.
Speaker 1: But then I can tell you what the depositions will
Speaker 1: look like, because remember the recent subpoenas were for Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: Don Junior, and Ivanka, but Eric was subpoenad previously. He
Speaker 1: fought it, he lost, He went into that deposition and
Speaker 1: pled the Fifth Amendment five hundred times. So I can
Speaker 1: promise you, Danielle, that is precisely what the Trump and
Speaker 1: Junior and Ivanka Trump depositions will look for hundreds and
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of invocations of their Fifth Amendment right
Speaker 1: against self incrimination. But that has consequences in the civil
Speaker 1: case in Tish James civil fraud investigation, if it goes
Speaker 1: to trial, it'll probably end up settling somehow and the
Speaker 1: Trump organization will agree to disband. But if it goes
Speaker 1: to trial, a civil jury can and will be told
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Don Junior and Ivanka pleaded the Fifth
Speaker 1: and you can use that and draw negative inferences and
Speaker 1: make it part of your ruling against them in the
Speaker 1: civil case. But it can never be introduced at a
Speaker 1: criminal trial because your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination
Speaker 1: says you can invoke it with impunity, and a jury
Speaker 1: is never allowed to draw a negative inference based on
Speaker 1: the fact that you pled the Fifth. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you, the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination is
Speaker 1: much mocked and derided and made fun of only mobsters
Speaker 1: and this and that it couldn't be a more valuable
Speaker 1: constitutional right because without it, the police, law enforcement, the
Speaker 1: government could force us to incriminate ourselves, compel us, coerce us.
Speaker 1: So I embrace it. I teach my criminal justice students
Speaker 1: at GW that we have to embrace these things. Even
Speaker 1: though yes, people get to hide evidence of their crime
Speaker 1: by not offering it to the government. That's an important
Speaker 1: right that we all have. What are the roles that
Speaker 1: Ivanka and Don Junior have played in the Trump organization? Right?
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing that has Donald Trump essentially use
Speaker 1: this his same I don't use phones, I don't use emails, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not I guess signing any document like? So what
Speaker 1: was what are their roles like? Meaning? Has Donald Trump
Speaker 1: put his family more on the hook for his bad
Speaker 1: behavior because he's so busy as the mob boss that
Speaker 1: he is insulating himself right from any from from any
Speaker 1: any any crimes, that he has left his own family
Speaker 1: out to dry. Oh, he's put his own family, his
Speaker 1: own adult children, thank you as you call them, in
Speaker 1: the crosshairs. There's no two ways about it. Because you know,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump thinks he's smart by not putting things in writing,
Speaker 1: in emails and text messages like mob bosses you know
Speaker 1: are want to do UM. So that means he talked
Speaker 1: to his principal officers in the organization. Who would those
Speaker 1: be Ivanka, Don Junior, Eric Um, this Calamari character, Um,
Speaker 1: Alan Weisselberg. So that's why all of these people UM
Speaker 1: have valuable incriminating information about their dad or their boss,
Speaker 1: about his organization, and of course they also have information
Speaker 1: that would incriminate themselves. I gotta tell you, it it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if an Ivanka Trump said, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going down for daddy. I will go ahead
Speaker 1: and tell you everything you need. You grant me immunity,
Speaker 1: I'll write a book, and I'll ride off into the sunset.
Speaker 1: Can't you see Ivanka being ruthless enough and probably you
Speaker 1: know this is not a high bar, but maybe being
Speaker 1: the smartest one of the Trump clam yeah, to do
Speaker 1: something like that. Couldn't you see her dad teaching her
Speaker 1: the value of that kind of a lesson. Sell out
Speaker 1: your family members, take the loop, get immunity, and ride
Speaker 1: off into the sunset. I mean, they're the real life succession.
Speaker 1: If anybody watches that show, I mean, they are the
Speaker 1: real life succession. You know. I think that one of
Speaker 1: the most interesting things here is that you know, well,
Speaker 1: here's the question, Glenn, what makes what is happening right now?
Speaker 1: What tissue James? How she is putting the US into
Speaker 1: this organization? What makes this different than all of the
Speaker 1: other cases that have been waged against Donald Trump for fraud.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, he has had the name
Speaker 1: teflon Don in New York since the eighties, right because
Speaker 1: of his illegal behavior, but it's never caught up with him.
Speaker 1: So is there something that makes this particular case different
Speaker 1: than all of the other ones that came three decades before,
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a tribute to Tish James,
Speaker 1: because there have been so many prosecutorial failures over the decade,
Speaker 1: failures to hold Donald Trump accountable. Why, well, moneyed white
Speaker 1: men are not the kind of people prosecutors prioritize when
Speaker 1: they're enforcing the law. Donald Trump has been an unabated
Speaker 1: crime wave for decades. Did si Vans ever take him on?
Speaker 1: Remember the one time that Sivance as prosecutors assessed the
Speaker 1: evidence against I believe it was it was Ivanka and
Speaker 1: Jared or Ivanka and Don Junior. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get the combination wrong, and the prosecutors recommended to Sivans
Speaker 1: to bring criminal charges. Sivance under overruled the recommendation of
Speaker 1: his career prosecutors refused to indict the Trump adult spawn
Speaker 1: and thereafter actually took a campaign contribution from the lawyer
Speaker 1: representing the Trumps at the time he made that decision.
Speaker 1: How does that smell? How does that but how Glenn,
Speaker 1: it smells like crap? So how does that not set
Speaker 1: off red flags and alarms as to how that decision
Speaker 1: was made and why it did set off red bells
Speaker 1: and alarms. But years later, when Donald Trump became president,
Speaker 1: now we were fully focusing on his past crimes and
Speaker 1: transgressions and misdeeds, and this thing bubbled up again. But
Speaker 1: let me tell you, Tish James is doing what every honest,
Speaker 1: honorable prosecutor in the country should be doing against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Because he's committed crimes in all fifty jurisdictions, by I believe,
Speaker 1: committing the offensive manslaughter for avoidable COVID debts. Every single
Speaker 1: prosecutor in the country should be dug into the grand
Speaker 1: jury to see whether there's enough evidence to charge him.
Speaker 1: And there is, I can tell you as an old
Speaker 1: homicide prosecutor, there is, so Tish James has the guts
Speaker 1: to do it, and she's doing it, and she's doing
Speaker 1: it in the face of withering criticism from Trump in
Speaker 1: the right wing media, and she doesn't care. That's what
Speaker 1: a prosecutor is supposed to do. Prosecute without fear or favor,
Speaker 1: without prejudice, without animus. She doesn't have to like him,
Speaker 1: but she does have to prosecute his crimes, and that's
Speaker 1: what she's doing. So where do we find So you know,
Speaker 1: it was Alan Wasselbergh's his deposition, him being indicted that
Speaker 1: kind of jump started all of this. Where is he
Speaker 1: right now and how much of a threat is his
Speaker 1: knowledge to the Trump organization at this time? It's a
Speaker 1: huge threat. Where he is right now I believe is
Speaker 1: pending trial. I don't recall if there's a trial date
Speaker 1: set in the New York State prosecution. But he is
Speaker 1: indicted on multiple accounts, including a fifteen year scheme of
Speaker 1: criminal fraud in the first degree, not to mention all
Speaker 1: sorts of tax transgressions. But so he could help take
Speaker 1: down Donald Trump. The only question is will he or
Speaker 1: does he want to spend the rest of his life
Speaker 1: in prison. That's a decision he has to make for himself.
Speaker 1: As of right now, we don't know if he has
Speaker 1: chosen to cooperate or if he's holding fast. He's going
Speaker 1: to be a foot soldier for Donald Trump, just like
Speaker 1: all Donald Trump's insurrectionists and did what he told them
Speaker 1: to do on January sixth, and now they're going to jail.
Speaker 1: Maybe Alan Weisselberg is foolish enough to go the same
Speaker 1: way as the oathkeepers and the rest of them. I
Speaker 1: don't know. And the accounting firm now, right, are they
Speaker 1: going to be held accountable? So they have been doing right.
Speaker 1: They ended their relationship once they felt the heat being
Speaker 1: being turned up, but for over a decade they had
Speaker 1: been the accounting firm of note. So if we know
Speaker 1: that Alan Weisselberg committed crimes that he is indicted for,
Speaker 1: is the same thing going to happen to the entirety
Speaker 1: of the accounting firm that was their firm of record? Maybe?
Speaker 1: So I think May's ars when they said we are
Speaker 1: walking away from Trump and his organization, and we are
Speaker 1: disavowing the accounting work that we've done for the last
Speaker 1: ten they're disavowing their own Warrentially, they're disavowing their own work.
Speaker 1: They're disavowing their own work because by inference, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was feeding them garbage numbers, so their work can't be
Speaker 1: relied on. So I don't want to say that they
Speaker 1: are in fact criminally culpable as part of this conspiracy
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. But what they made a calculation, right,
Speaker 1: Often the calculation somebody has to make who's culpably involved
Speaker 1: and they know the government is coming after them, is
Speaker 1: do they want to get on the train of cooperation
Speaker 1: or do they want to get run over by the train.
Speaker 1: Maysars decided we want to get on the train. And
Speaker 1: there's no doubt they flipped against Trump and the organization.
Speaker 1: And the reporting is the chief accountant responsible for doing
Speaker 1: the work for the Trump organization has testified against Trump
Speaker 1: and company. So they've flipped. That doesn't mean they're going
Speaker 1: to get a complete pass, but they might. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: give smaller, less important criminal fish a complete pass, will
Speaker 1: give them immunity if they give us the bigger fish.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we make them take a bite of a criminal
Speaker 1: charge and we make them a cooperating witness. You plead
Speaker 1: guilty to this reduced charge and testify truthfully about all
Speaker 1: the crimes you know, and that's the way we will
Speaker 1: run somebody like that. So we don't know the exact
Speaker 1: posture of Massaurs other than they've clearly flipped and they're
Speaker 1: providing information about Trump and company, and that will also
Speaker 1: help Tank Weisselberg, which might put him over the edge
Speaker 1: to cooperation. All right, so final question for you just
Speaker 1: you know today on this glim is walk us through
Speaker 1: the timeline. Now, okay, so this news breaks, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: Junior van can be deposed? How long does that? How
Speaker 1: long does that process take to get them one by
Speaker 1: one in and then once they are and how long
Speaker 1: right our depositions are they? Are they time stamped or
Speaker 1: can they you know, can they continue as a certain
Speaker 1: amount of time that you have these people to interview
Speaker 1: or not? And then what does it look like what
Speaker 1: happens after the deposition? So first of all, the judge said,
Speaker 1: I think within twenty one days, okay, will sit So
Speaker 1: that's midmar positions. However, they're going to have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to file an appeal to the New York Court of Appeals.
Speaker 1: New York has a strange way of labeling their courts.
Speaker 1: The first appellate court is called the Supreme Court of
Speaker 1: New York. The next one is called the New York
Speaker 1: Court of Appeals, which is the highest court. I suspect
Speaker 1: they'll file a petition for review and it will be
Speaker 1: summarily rejected. So that may extend to twenty one days,
Speaker 1: but if not, then within twenty one days, these depositions
Speaker 1: will be held. Usually they are long fairs six eight,
Speaker 1: eight hours until the prosecutors or the civil attorneys ask
Speaker 1: all of the questions they want to ask and listen
Speaker 1: to the person being deposed, say I played the fifth
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds and hundreds of times and thereafter. So
Speaker 1: here's the the upside of where we are usually deposing
Speaker 1: the most important people is the very last step, okay
Speaker 1: before bringing that case as a civil suit against Trump
Speaker 1: and his organization. So you know, this is kind of
Speaker 1: the end game of the investigative stage, and then the
Speaker 1: civil fraud suit will probably be brought pretty promptly after
Speaker 1: these three depositions are concluded. Tell me this too, because
Speaker 1: in the age of COVID, I'm wondering will they need
Speaker 1: to be deposed in person? Or will Donald Trump be
Speaker 1: doing this from the Mara Lago buffet line? Like how
Speaker 1: how you know? Again? Because personally, I would find that
Speaker 1: getting Donald Trump in a physical room right with his
Speaker 1: you know, with his attorneys present, would be the goal here.
Speaker 1: But is this going to be in person? Is it
Speaker 1: going to be remote? What does that look like? So
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to criminal trials, remote testimony
Speaker 1: is never a substitute. It's just not even constitutional because unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system has not kept up with the time,
Speaker 1: so everything has to be live in court. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to depositions and civil investigations, there's much more
Speaker 1: leeway and the parties can actually agree to a remote
Speaker 1: deposition where you know, tis James Staff is in New
Speaker 1: York and Donald Trump is elsewhere and they're doing it
Speaker 1: via a video link, so there's a lot more wiggle
Speaker 1: room and often the parties will agree. You know, I
Speaker 1: would prefer to see it all in one room too,
Speaker 1: a controlled environment, right, but it wouldn't shock me if
Speaker 1: some of the depositions now, particularly lily in the day
Speaker 1: of COVID, are done remotely. Okay, you know, glad, So
Speaker 1: all right, how are you feeling well? You know, last
Speaker 1: the last question for you, how are you genuinely feeling
Speaker 1: about this actually coming to an ahead. We always ask like,
Speaker 1: should Donald Trump be worried? Is it is now finally
Speaker 1: the time? Is it going to be twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: that finally Donald Trump is held to real serious accountability
Speaker 1: for his decades long crime spree. Are we feeling optimistic.
Speaker 1: Should we feel hopeful about this or are we setting
Speaker 1: ourselves up once again for a big downfall. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to misuse a medical term, but I feel
Speaker 1: kind of schizophrenic because there are times when I'm really
Speaker 1: hopeful and I'm optimistic, and then there are times when
Speaker 1: I am so frustrated that I just want to scream.
Speaker 1: I actually did a long video on my Justice Matters
Speaker 1: channel yesterday talking about the how do we balance the
Speaker 1: frustration with the need for patients. It's not easy, and
Speaker 1: I go back and forth literally daily, if not hourly,
Speaker 1: how I'm feeling about things, and that's okay, and I
Speaker 1: express it and it may seem like I'm inconsistent, But
Speaker 1: you know, we feel different ways when we take different
Speaker 1: information in about whether we're moving toward accountability for Donald
Speaker 1: Trump or away from accountability for Donald Trump. Now, I
Speaker 1: will say, at this moment, with you know Joe Biden
Speaker 1: saying no, you're going to get the visitor logs for
Speaker 1: January six, We're not going to hide those the way
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants us to hide them. With the District
Speaker 1: Attorney for DC, Carl Racine winning a serious victory with
Speaker 1: the Trump Inaugural Committee, the Trump organization, going back into
Speaker 1: that litigation with Mazar's walking away from Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: inferentially cooperating against Donald Trump, with this devastating ruling by
Speaker 1: the New York State Court judge yesterday, with the House Committee,
Speaker 1: and let me kind of I'll go on and on it.
Speaker 1: Let me leave it with this little piece. You know,
Speaker 1: Representative Jamie Raskin, who sits on the House Select Committee
Speaker 1: and is privy to the more than five hundred interviews
Speaker 1: with people who are cooperating with the committee and who
Speaker 1: have provided documentation to the committee. Just recently on Dian
Speaker 1: Obidala Show, Representative Raskin said, based on he knows all
Speaker 1: this information that we don't because it's all going on
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. He said, Donald Trump is and I
Speaker 1: quote guilty as sim a one man crime wave and
Speaker 1: he will get his come uppance. Not the word I
Speaker 1: would choose, but and so for Representative Raskin to say
Speaker 1: that with his basis of knowledge, I think that's an
Speaker 1: important pronouncement from a serious and circumspect man like Jamie Raskin.
Speaker 1: And I draw a parallel, Danielle between that and what
Speaker 1: this New York Court judge said after reviewing thousands of documents,
Speaker 1: he said, there is copious evidence of possible financial fraud.
Speaker 1: That's an informed opinion that we got at the moment.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling optimistic that the investigative circle is tightening around
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. But let's see what story breaks today, and
Speaker 1: maybe I'll feel differently, you know, I want to say,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm hell they freeze over. I too,
Speaker 1: am optimistic about the direction, about the direction that all
Speaker 1: of this is going, because you know, Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: been allowed to be incredibly slippery for an incredibly long time, right,
Speaker 1: just for the reminder that you gave us about oh
Speaker 1: cy thence all of a sudden decides not to investigate.
Speaker 1: Come to find out, he receives a you know, a contribution, right.
Speaker 1: How many people have received contributions for the trunk organization, Democrats,
Speaker 1: Republican it doesn't matter, right, He's been able to buy
Speaker 1: his way out of jail for over three decades, and
Speaker 1: I hope that it stops. The only thing that I
Speaker 1: will say about Congressman Raskin that I will disagree with
Speaker 1: he is not a one man crime wave. He is
Speaker 1: a family crime wave. Right. He is the head of
Speaker 1: a family of criminals, right, and everyone that he is
Speaker 1: brought in, from Michael Collen to Alan Weisselberg to all
Speaker 1: of the quote unquote outsiders, right, they are every single
Speaker 1: one of them are criminals. And so birds of a
Speaker 1: feather flock together, right. And I hope now that tissue,
Speaker 1: James is going to be the first one to pick
Speaker 1: it apart for those that are less courageous than her
Speaker 1: to follow suit after this suit is actually made. So
Speaker 1: I you know, Glenn dare I say. I will end
Speaker 1: today by saying I am hopeful for the first time
Speaker 1: in many, many, many many months, that the walls actually
Speaker 1: are closing in on Donald Trump and the Trump organization.
Speaker 1: So as always, Glenn, we appreciate you and your insight,
Speaker 1: and I hope that next week, when we talk again,
Speaker 1: we have more good news to give to the woke
Speaker 1: Apple appreciate you. Thanks dadio. Friends, as we start out
Speaker 1: our week, let us have our woke moment of wellness.
Speaker 1: I have been, as you know, meditating multiple times a
Speaker 1: day and getting back outside and walking. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that I also want to talk about, and
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I talk about this probably
Speaker 1: enough on this show, is how important it is as
Speaker 1: we all age right to recognize that movement is important.
Speaker 1: It isn't just important, you know, for our health and wellbeing,
Speaker 1: but it is really important for these times of great stress,
Speaker 1: riot and strain. That moving our bodies, you know, taking
Speaker 1: putting in into our calendars after ninety minutes right of
Speaker 1: sitting still at deaths hunched over on computers. That putting
Speaker 1: in ten to fifteen minute blocks throughout your day, of
Speaker 1: being able to either walk around your house, your apartment,
Speaker 1: your block, getting fresh air, stretching out your body, doing
Speaker 1: a couple of downward dogs, a couple of twists. Right,
Speaker 1: Being able to move and increase that nimbleness right in
Speaker 1: our bodies is incredibly important. It helps us relieve our stress,
Speaker 1: our anxiety, and it helps us continue to be mobile,
Speaker 1: which my mother tells me all the time. As you age,
Speaker 1: the more mobile you are, the healthier you will be.
Speaker 1: So I want to remind folks you know, sometimes take
Speaker 1: me out on your walks with you. Right, listen to
Speaker 1: woke a f as you're doing something that is active,
Speaker 1: that is good for you. Let us use this rage
Speaker 1: and this frustration as our daily movement motivator. That was
Speaker 1: your woke moment of wellness. That is it for me today.
Speaker 1: Folks here on Woke a f as always. Power to
Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, Get woke
Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.