WEBVTT - The Blame Game 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.640 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Wik Eppa Daily with 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:20.360 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from Eastern Shore, Maryland. Folks, 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.080 you know, I want to start off today's show with 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:30.240 my absolute and continued fucking annoyance with mainstream media. So 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.320 you know, at the end of last week, uh, Mike 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.720 Allen at Axios decided to put up an article where 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.600 once again the mainstream media, along with many Democrats right, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:50.520 want to preempt their mid term election failure, right which 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.559 you know is several months away, but they want to 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.920 preempt that failure by pinning it on whom not Joe 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.560 Mansion and Kirsten Cinema, the two white obstructionists who have 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.400 been the sole reasons as to Biden's agenda being pretty 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.360 much dead in the water. Outside of physical infrastructure, we 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.679 have no voting rights, we have no police reform, We 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:20.160 have kind of mixed mixed bag as it pertains to 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.720 the human Infrastructure Bill, which is stalled because Joe Mansion 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.440 doesn't believe that family should have child tax credits or 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.520 parental leave, and so in this article written by Mike 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.520 Allen att Axios, they've decided to begin to begin their 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:42.560 blame game on the Squad, saying that the squad's liberal 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:47.800 politics is backfiring in a very real way. Do you 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:54.000 know what's backfiring bullshit right now? What is backfiring is 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:58.080 the fact that the Biden administration, Joe Biden, our president, 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.840 believed that he was going to be able to waltz 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.560 into the White House, into this administration, and go back 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.799 onto the hill with his white cronies and get them 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.880 to side with him over you know, a glass of 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.120 scotch in some conversation that he apparently hadn't been paying 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.040 attention to the last four years under Donald Trump and 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.000 to his time as vice president under Barack Obama to 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.400 recognize who these people actually are and who they've become. Right, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.320 and then you get into office and it's not only 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.960 Republicans that you're battling against, but you're battling against the 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.720 so called bullshit moderates, which they are not moderates. I 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:46.360 am so fucking tired of us referring to Joe Mansion, 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:51.800 who is a Republican in fucking sheep's clothing, alongside Cinema, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:57.799 who is also a Republican in sheep's clothing, as moderates, right, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.960 because that gives that language allows people to think that, oh, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.840 you know, that they want change, but that those of 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.200 us who are progressive and coin ourselves as liberal are 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.920 just pushing too far, too much right, as if we 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.279 should be slow rolling our progress after the fucking steamroll 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.880 job that the Trump administration and Republicans did over the 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.480 last four years, and what is happening at the state 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.320 and fucking local level, as it pertains to voting restrictions 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.960 and suppression, as it pertains to book banning right and 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.200 changing of public school education curriculum to ensure that white 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.320 people and white children are not uncomfortable with, you know, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.680 the reality of America. So, instead of once again shining 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.720 the spotlight on white people and white members of Congress 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.760 who don't actually want progress because it is not good 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.240 for their own bottom line, for their own pocketbooks and wallets, right, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.960 instead of the focus being on that, they have decided 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.440 to begin the spin job and tell us that the 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:07.040 reason why Democrats are failing is because they're too fucking liberal. Folks. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.840 Here's the thing, and this is a thing that continues 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.520 to piss me off about Democrats. And I'm telling you, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.520 I'm kind of getting to a place where I want 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.839 to say that I'm one of those bullshit independents, because 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.320 it is embarrassing at this point in time to be 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.320 referring to myself as a Democrat a party that doesn't 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.000 actually give a shit about me. That they want to 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.720 come around, right and pander to the black community, pander 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.920 to brown communities and say, oh, we need your vote, right, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.679 and then they disappear for two four years at a time. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.720 And then when they fail to meet the agenda of 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:49.719 those communities and they fail to increase excitement and enthusiasm 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.920 around the policies that they're putting forward or their campaign 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.960 promises that they continue to fucking break, then all of 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.080 a sudden they turn around and they want to blame 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.279 us for their inadequacies, right, And I'm tired of the 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.039 same cycle over and over and over again, because, frankly, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.000 here's the thing. You see what Republicans are doing with 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.480 their younger right, their freshmen and sophomore classes of folks, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:20.719 those fucking fringe right wing crazy, batshit crazy people. Marjorie 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.719 Taylor Green, Laura Boubert, this is the face of the 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.680 Republican Party. This is who they are. And you would think, 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.080 right that if Republicans can embrace crazy and say that 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.400 these people are their future. How is it that we 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.880 are still in a place where we don't recognize that 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:46.240 the AOC's, the Rashida Telebs, the Ayana Pressley's are actually 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.400 the future of the Democratic Party. They are not the future. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.599 They are the now, because they are the ones that 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.760 are telling it like it is and are seeing, right, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.000 our democracy go down the toilet, are seeing the fact 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.320 that if we do not intervene in the climate crisis, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:07.000 which we are all currently experiencing with major shifts in 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.520 whether this summer, I mean this winter, right which feels 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.080 right like spring is happening in February, when one day 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.600 it's sixty five degrees in New York and then the 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.320 next day there's a snowstorm, and that is actually a 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.000 trend that is happening across the country. So we're's experiencing 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.799 climate change in real action. And yet they're being looked 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.880 at as lunatics for wanting us to move forward with 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.839 a Green New Deal, right that, because they talk about 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.440 voter suppression and what is happening in the fact that 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.400 we actually need to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.920 Act that no they're seen as pushing too much. I 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.160 don't understand what Democrats are thinking right now. I don't 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:57.839 understand how they think that throwing throwing the progressive people 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.320 of color in their party who are willing to stand 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.040 up and tell the truth about white supremacy, that are 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.680 willing to stand up and tell the truth about obstructionism, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.960 that are willing to stand up and tell the truth 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.880 right about who their friends and foes actually are and 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.240 that they are within their own party. That this is 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.760 who you're choosing to throw under the bus and allow 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.960 Mansion and Cinema off scott free, Like those are the 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.800 people that the fucking administration wants to invite over for 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.400 coffee and tea to come to some agreement. But you 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.200 want to throw out the squad, go fuck yourself, because 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.679 I'm telling you that the decisions that are being made 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.440 right now, right about this kind of mainstream drip and 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.200 dribble of news that's saying who we're going to blame 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.760 it is going to backfire big time on Democrats, and 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.000 it will not be the fault of the squad. It 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.400 will be the fault of the inadequate, fucking, spineless white 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.480 members of Congress who have decided that, you know what, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.239 equity is just a little too much and a little 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:07.400 too soon, and I'm simply I'm over it. And they're 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.560 going to watch in droves as people of color decide 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.960 to stay the fuck home, right, as young people who 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.200 you continue to give out drips and drabs. They've asking 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:24.400 for student loan debt relief, right to erase it, to 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.000 take off the anchor that is holding these people back 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.320 from being able to contribute more to our economy, which 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:36.440 apparently is more important than anything. Right, relieving that student 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.200 loan debt is what can jump start us. But no right, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:46.840 because greed is good. As I've said so many times before, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.280 we are a country filled with Gordon Geckos, Right, That's 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.280 who we are. And it is so easy and typical 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.959 right for white mainstream media to once again who is 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.319 going to be their battering ram, And it's going to 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.840 be the people of color that dare to speak out, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.560 that dare to say that our policies are unjust and 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.080 that our democracy is failing, and that we need to 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.720 we need a new agenda. But those are the people 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.960 that you go after, not the mansions, not the cinemas. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.800 And I'm tired, tired of it. So Mike Allen and 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.920 Axios in your stories and everyone else that's getting ready 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.680 to piggyback off of that bullshit, I see you, and 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:33.640 I'm gonna call you the fuck out friends on some 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.360 good news, just a little bit right, I want to 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.800 transition into a little bit of hope. Coming up next 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.480 is my weekly conversation with our friend host of Justice 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:50.959 Matters and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirshner. Over at the 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.440 end of last week and over the weekend, news broke 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:58.880 that there was actually progress made on the part of 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.240 the civil case that is being put together by New 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.760 York Age Tish James against the Trump organization that she 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.080 right has been granted the ability to be able to 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.360 depose not only Donald Trump but his fucking spawn right, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:21.920 the whole crime Operation family. They have one one possible 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.760 move left, which is to appeal to the New York 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.840 State Supreme Court, which Glenn will tell us in our 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:32.040 upcoming interview will most likely be slapped down. But folks, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.080 I know it. We've been collectively holding our breath. We've 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:41.440 been collectively trying to wait patiently for justice to prevail. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.320 But I want to get your thoughts on whether or 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.120 not you think after listening to this interview, if we 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:53.360 are finally finally approaching that time that Donald Trump and 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.920 his family of criminals have finally run out of rope. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:04.719 That conversation is coming up next. Folks. You know that 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.679 I am always so excited when we have our friend 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:12.480 MSNBC legal analyst and host of Justice Matter, Glenn Kirschner, 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.520 to join us to walk through the latest in all 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.160 of the legal news surrounding Donald Trump. Now, Glenn, last week, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.680 we ended the week annoyed, right because we are still 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.040 waiting for the Department of Justice to come out heavy 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:32.280 to actually hold these criminals accountable. But some news out 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.240 of New York, which you and I have been talking about, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.880 New York Attorney General Letitia James is now going to 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:44.760 be able to question not only Donald Trump, but to 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.320 question what I refer to as his spawn, because I 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:52.160 cannot stand that the media refers to forty year old 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:58.080 people as children and infantilizes the Trump spawn. So tell 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:04.240 us why this move in New York is significant, and 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.880 because we have two states right that we've been keeping 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.520 an eye on, Georgia and New York because again, the 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.840 Department of justice, in my eyesight, is nowhere to be 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.880 found in terms of what kind of investigation that they're 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.520 doing into Trump. Give us the latest out of New 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:24.199 York yet, Danielle, it's not just the ruling that was 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.760 made by this New York State Court judge, Judge Arthur Endgaron. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.840 I hope I'm pronouncing his name right, But it's what 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.680 he put, what he disclosed in his eight page ruling 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.640 that he just issued. So this is actually a fairly 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.480 routine battle over whether somebody will have to comply with 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.720 a subpoena. We call it a motion to quash. These 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.200 things get litigated in every jurisdiction every day around the country. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.080 This one's notable because it's for Donald Trump and Don 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:57.760 Junior and Ivanka. But so the judge not only rejected 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.000 Donald Trump's claim that he shouldn't be forced to sit 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:06.120 for a deposition in a G. James civil fraud investigation. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.760 But here are a couple of things. He said that 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.040 in my thirty years of prosecutor, I haven't seen judges 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.480 put this kind of stuff in their orders in these 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:19.080 kind of routine motions. He said, I reviewed thousands of 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:24.680 pages of documents that ag james office subpoenaed from Trump 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.200 and the Trump Organization, and after he reviewed all of 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.880 that evidence. Here's what he said, and I'm going to 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.160 quote it. When a state attorney general commences an investigation 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:40.680 and uncovers copious evidence of possible financial fraud, she has 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:46.839 an absolute right to question under oath the organization's namesake, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.040 Donald Trump. And then he added that if Attorney General 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:55.319 James had not opened this investigation and had not subpoenaed 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.320 Trump and Don Junior and Avanca, it would have been 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:03.280 quote a derrell of duty. In other words, this judge 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.480 has seen so much evidence of fraud that he dumped 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.440 those findings and conclusions into this eight page ruling, which 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.880 I urge everybody to read, and it's a really ominous sign. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.320 I know, we feel like the investigative circle has been 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:25.080 tightening around Donald Trump forever. That doesn't mean that's not true, 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.920 but you know, we're frustrated, we're impatient, we're tired of 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.600 a lack of accountability. And I did a long video 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.240 yesterday about how we have to try to balance that 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:39.440 frustration with the need for patients in what is an 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.960 unprecedented series of crimes by our highest government. Officials. So 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.840 let's give it. Let's provide a bit of a recap, right, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.120 because again to your point, there are so many cases 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.600 pending against Donald Trump. So with New York, this is 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.560 a civil case, right, This is about the Trump organization 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.080 as a whole and their fraudulent behavior. This is it 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.200 similar to the way that Letitia James that New York 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.320 ag was able to shut down the foundation? Is this 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.440 is this the similar kind of mode of operation that 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.160 New York is taking now with the entirety of the 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.680 of the Trump organization. It is this is basically a 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.080 civil financial fraud case. Just as Tish James went after 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:31.200 the Trump Foundation, the charitable foundation and shut it down 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.960 and made them pay fines and penalties, just as they 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.480 went after the Trump University sham and shut it down 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.840 and made them pay fines and penalties. Danielle, the smart 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:47.640 money right now is on Tish James completely shuttering the 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:53.120 Trump organization in its entirety and bankrupting it by making 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.880 them pay huge fines and penalties and perhaps restitution and 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.760 back taxes to the city and the state, hopefully ultimately defense. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.359 This is really the death knell of the Trump organization. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.640 But don't forget. There's also a tandem criminal investigation being 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.840 conducted by Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney in Manhattan. The 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:18.200 organization has criminally indicted Alan Weisselberg, the chief financial officer, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.320 is criminally indicted, and Donald Trump is up next. I 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.800 would bet a buck on it. Okay, So here we 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.600 have now the New York has been working in tandem 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.240 with one with one another with a civil investigation, a 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.600 criminal investigation, all including the Trump organization. When we say 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.280 the Trump organization, this is their real estate businesses, I'm 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.240 assuming right, all of the licensers and things that they 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.520 and things that they do. Is it possible though that? 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.480 What what do you anticipate? And again Trump does not 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.840 surround himself with the best or the brightest. What do 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.040 you anticipate the defense to be? The understanding around the 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.240 pushback with regard to the deposit is what Trump is 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.679 above the law, He's president. What were what was the 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.359 pushback from the Trump lawyers and what do you anticipate 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.520 the maneuvers or the sliminess that I'm referring not you, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.600 that they will try and do to outmaneuver Tiss James 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.199 and getting Donald Trump in front of a camera in 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:24.359 a room to ask him questions. So they really tried 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:30.040 to make two They tried two things in defense of, 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.160 you know, trying to avoid these subpoenas. They said, Tiss 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:38.000 James is biased against us. The judge said, nonsense, Just 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:43.679 because a prosecutor dislikes you doesn't mean they can't prosecute you. 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.760 So the judge completely rejected that. And then the second 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.399 was that somehow Donald Trump is being selectively prosecuted based 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.000 on a protected class, And the judge said, what class 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:03.160 would that be? Race, religion, gender, nicity. Yeah, denied they 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:09.200 had no principle basis for their claim that they shouldn't 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.920 be forced to sit in a deposition in a civil case. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.119 And I'll tell you, Danielle, the judge threw real shade 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.520 at the Trump lawyers when he said right in the middle, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:24.280 he compared them to George Orwell and specifically said, yeah, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.720 this is like George Orwell, war is peace, freedom is slavery, 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.960 and ignorance is strength. And then he added, and it's 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.200 kind of like quote alternative facts. So he even in 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:39.240 his motion threw some shade at Kelly Anne Conway propagandist 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.959 that she is lumped her together with George Orwell. A 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.600 beautiful move. And that was in response, mind you, to 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:51.879 the Trump lawyers saying, when our accounting firm Massars walked 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.560 away from us and said they're walking away from ten 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.320 years of their accounting work because inferentially the Trump organization 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.320 gave them our Bidge numbers. They said, that's a complete 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.040 exoneration and that should shut down Tiss James civil case 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.800 and Alvin Bragg's criminal case. And the judge said, I 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.639 can't let this go unaddressed, and he accused them of 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.760 Orwellian propaganda. And I'm glad he did, because it looks 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:22.160 like certain segments of the judiciary are sick and tired 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.240 and fed up with Donald Trump's bs when he tries 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.440 to weaponize the delay in the court system to work 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.160 to his advantage and run out the clock. The courts 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.600 seem to be done with that. I mean, and this 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.119 isn't even about the election, but I mean with the 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.639 frivolousness right of their defense, the cases that they bring, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.199 the appeals, the motions that they put in place, like 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.639 it is nonsense, right, and for people who actually believe 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.880 in the rule of law, regardless of how you got 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.760 on the courts to begin with. Right, if you believe 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.600 in the rule of law, then their behavior is a 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:02.680 slap in the face. Right, So tell us now, because 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.480 you know I get my law degree from Law and 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:09.040 Order on NBC, So tell me, tell us what we 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.919 can expect and what what what happens in a deposition 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.399 and will Donald Trump go first? Will it be a 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.720 vanka um do? And if they are now because of 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.440 this motion, by what the judge has said, they're out 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.320 of appeals, right, so they can't stop one more appeal, Okay, 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.960 one more appeal to a higher New York state court, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.960 which I think will be rejected summarily, hopefully very quickly. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.280 But then I can tell you what the depositions will 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:43.160 look like, because remember the recent subpoenas were for Donald Trump, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.399 Don Junior, and Ivanka, but Eric was subpoenad previously. He 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.440 fought it, he lost, He went into that deposition and 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.640 pled the Fifth Amendment five hundred times. So I can 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.639 promise you, Danielle, that is precisely what the Trump and 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.359 Junior and Ivanka Trump depositions will look for hundreds and 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.320 hundreds and hundreds of invocations of their Fifth Amendment right 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:13.200 against self incrimination. But that has consequences in the civil 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.520 case in Tish James civil fraud investigation, if it goes 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.280 to trial, it'll probably end up settling somehow and the 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.400 Trump organization will agree to disband. But if it goes 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.960 to trial, a civil jury can and will be told 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.400 Donald Trump and Don Junior and Ivanka pleaded the Fifth 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.280 and you can use that and draw negative inferences and 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.880 make it part of your ruling against them in the 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.480 civil case. But it can never be introduced at a 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:47.120 criminal trial because your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:52.119 says you can invoke it with impunity, and a jury 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.119 is never allowed to draw a negative inference based on 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.119 the fact that you pled the Fifth. And let me 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.879 tell you, the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination is 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:05.160 much mocked and derided and made fun of only mobsters 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:08.680 and this and that it couldn't be a more valuable 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:13.679 constitutional right because without it, the police, law enforcement, the 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:20.200 government could force us to incriminate ourselves, compel us, coerce us. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.040 So I embrace it. I teach my criminal justice students 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:27.240 at GW that we have to embrace these things. Even 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.600 though yes, people get to hide evidence of their crime 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.400 by not offering it to the government. That's an important 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.840 right that we all have. What are the roles that 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:42.840 Ivanka and Don Junior have played in the Trump organization? Right? 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:46.880 Because here's the thing that has Donald Trump essentially use 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.600 this his same I don't use phones, I don't use emails, right, 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.560 I'm not I guess signing any document like? So what 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.360 was what are their roles like? Meaning? Has Donald Trump 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.879 put his family more on the hook for his bad 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.439 behavior because he's so busy as the mob boss that 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:12.240 he is insulating himself right from any from from any 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.359 any any crimes, that he has left his own family 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.560 out to dry. Oh, he's put his own family, his 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.439 own adult children, thank you as you call them, in 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.520 the crosshairs. There's no two ways about it. Because you know, 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.920 Donald Trump thinks he's smart by not putting things in writing, 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:34.000 in emails and text messages like mob bosses you know 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.560 are want to do UM. So that means he talked 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.320 to his principal officers in the organization. Who would those 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:48.120 be Ivanka, Don Junior, Eric Um, this Calamari character, Um, 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:52.800 Alan Weisselberg. So that's why all of these people UM 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:57.960 have valuable incriminating information about their dad or their boss, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.879 about his organization, and of course they also have information 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.520 that would incriminate themselves. I gotta tell you, it it wouldn't 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.600 shock me if an Ivanka Trump said, oh no, no, 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.560 I'm not going down for daddy. I will go ahead 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.000 and tell you everything you need. You grant me immunity, 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.080 I'll write a book, and I'll ride off into the sunset. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.560 Can't you see Ivanka being ruthless enough and probably you 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.720 know this is not a high bar, but maybe being 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:29.000 the smartest one of the Trump clam yeah, to do 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.800 something like that. Couldn't you see her dad teaching her 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.520 the value of that kind of a lesson. Sell out 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.320 your family members, take the loop, get immunity, and ride 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.480 off into the sunset. I mean, they're the real life succession. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.560 If anybody watches that show, I mean, they are the 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:47.359 real life succession. You know. I think that one of 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.520 the most interesting things here is that you know, well, 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.440 here's the question, Glenn, what makes what is happening right now? 0:24:56.560 --> 0:25:00.480 What tissue James? How she is putting the US into 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.520 this organization? What makes this different than all of the 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.600 other cases that have been waged against Donald Trump for fraud. 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.399 I mean, you know, again, he has had the name 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:18.960 teflon Don in New York since the eighties, right because 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:23.440 of his illegal behavior, but it's never caught up with him. 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:28.720 So is there something that makes this particular case different 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.879 than all of the other ones that came three decades before, 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.840 You know, I think it's a tribute to Tish James, 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:44.120 because there have been so many prosecutorial failures over the decade, 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:49.520 failures to hold Donald Trump accountable. Why, well, moneyed white 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:54.880 men are not the kind of people prosecutors prioritize when 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:59.240 they're enforcing the law. Donald Trump has been an unabated 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:04.240 crime wave for decades. Did si Vans ever take him on? 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:09.240 Remember the one time that Sivance as prosecutors assessed the 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:14.080 evidence against I believe it was it was Ivanka and 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.600 Jared or Ivanka and Don Junior. I don't want to 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:21.240 get the combination wrong, and the prosecutors recommended to Sivans 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:27.119 to bring criminal charges. Sivance under overruled the recommendation of 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:32.879 his career prosecutors refused to indict the Trump adult spawn 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:38.960 and thereafter actually took a campaign contribution from the lawyer 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.000 representing the Trumps at the time he made that decision. 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.880 How does that smell? How does that but how Glenn, 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.919 it smells like crap? So how does that not set 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.880 off red flags and alarms as to how that decision 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:58.040