1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Wik Eppa Daily with 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from Eastern Shore, Maryland. Folks, 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, I want to start off today's show with 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: my absolute and continued fucking annoyance with mainstream media. So 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of last week, uh, Mike 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Allen at Axios decided to put up an article where 7 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: once again the mainstream media, along with many Democrats right, 8 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: want to preempt their mid term election failure, right which 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: you know is several months away, but they want to 10 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: preempt that failure by pinning it on whom not Joe 11 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Mansion and Kirsten Cinema, the two white obstructionists who have 12 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: been the sole reasons as to Biden's agenda being pretty 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: much dead in the water. Outside of physical infrastructure, we 14 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: have no voting rights, we have no police reform, We 15 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: have kind of mixed mixed bag as it pertains to 16 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: the human Infrastructure Bill, which is stalled because Joe Mansion 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: doesn't believe that family should have child tax credits or 18 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: parental leave, and so in this article written by Mike 19 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Allen att Axios, they've decided to begin to begin their 20 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: blame game on the Squad, saying that the squad's liberal 21 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: politics is backfiring in a very real way. Do you 22 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: know what's backfiring bullshit right now? What is backfiring is 23 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: the fact that the Biden administration, Joe Biden, our president, 24 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: believed that he was going to be able to waltz 25 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: into the White House, into this administration, and go back 26 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: onto the hill with his white cronies and get them 27 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: to side with him over you know, a glass of 28 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: scotch in some conversation that he apparently hadn't been paying 29 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: attention to the last four years under Donald Trump and 30 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: to his time as vice president under Barack Obama to 31 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: recognize who these people actually are and who they've become. Right, 32 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: and then you get into office and it's not only 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Republicans that you're battling against, but you're battling against the 34 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: so called bullshit moderates, which they are not moderates. I 35 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: am so fucking tired of us referring to Joe Mansion, 36 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: who is a Republican in fucking sheep's clothing, alongside Cinema, 37 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: who is also a Republican in sheep's clothing, as moderates, right, 38 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: because that gives that language allows people to think that, oh, 39 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, that they want change, but that those of 40 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: us who are progressive and coin ourselves as liberal are 41 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: just pushing too far, too much right, as if we 42 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,279 Speaker 1: should be slow rolling our progress after the fucking steamroll 43 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: job that the Trump administration and Republicans did over the 44 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: last four years, and what is happening at the state 45 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: and fucking local level, as it pertains to voting restrictions 46 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and suppression, as it pertains to book banning right and 47 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: changing of public school education curriculum to ensure that white 48 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: people and white children are not uncomfortable with, you know, 49 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: the reality of America. So, instead of once again shining 50 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: the spotlight on white people and white members of Congress 51 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: who don't actually want progress because it is not good 52 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: for their own bottom line, for their own pocketbooks and wallets, right, 53 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: instead of the focus being on that, they have decided 54 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: to begin the spin job and tell us that the 55 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: reason why Democrats are failing is because they're too fucking liberal. Folks. 56 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and this is a thing that continues 57 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: to piss me off about Democrats. And I'm telling you, 58 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting to a place where I want 59 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: to say that I'm one of those bullshit independents, because 60 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: it is embarrassing at this point in time to be 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: referring to myself as a Democrat a party that doesn't 62 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: actually give a shit about me. That they want to 63 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: come around, right and pander to the black community, pander 64 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: to brown communities and say, oh, we need your vote, right, 65 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: and then they disappear for two four years at a time. 66 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: And then when they fail to meet the agenda of 67 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: those communities and they fail to increase excitement and enthusiasm 68 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: around the policies that they're putting forward or their campaign 69 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: promises that they continue to fucking break, then all of 70 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: a sudden they turn around and they want to blame 71 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: us for their inadequacies, right, And I'm tired of the 72 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: same cycle over and over and over again, because, frankly, 73 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: here's the thing. You see what Republicans are doing with 74 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: their younger right, their freshmen and sophomore classes of folks, 75 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: those fucking fringe right wing crazy, batshit crazy people. Marjorie 76 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: Taylor Green, Laura Boubert, this is the face of the 77 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: Republican Party. This is who they are. And you would think, 78 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: right that if Republicans can embrace crazy and say that 79 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: these people are their future. How is it that we 80 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: are still in a place where we don't recognize that 81 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: the AOC's, the Rashida Telebs, the Ayana Pressley's are actually 82 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: the future of the Democratic Party. They are not the future. 83 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: They are the now, because they are the ones that 84 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: are telling it like it is and are seeing, right, 85 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: our democracy go down the toilet, are seeing the fact 86 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: that if we do not intervene in the climate crisis, 87 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: which we are all currently experiencing with major shifts in 88 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: whether this summer, I mean this winter, right which feels 89 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: right like spring is happening in February, when one day 90 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: it's sixty five degrees in New York and then the 91 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: next day there's a snowstorm, and that is actually a 92 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: trend that is happening across the country. So we're's experiencing 93 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: climate change in real action. And yet they're being looked 94 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: at as lunatics for wanting us to move forward with 95 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: a Green New Deal, right that, because they talk about 96 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: voter suppression and what is happening in the fact that 97 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: we actually need to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights 98 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Act that no they're seen as pushing too much. I 99 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: don't understand what Democrats are thinking right now. I don't 100 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: understand how they think that throwing throwing the progressive people 101 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: of color in their party who are willing to stand 102 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: up and tell the truth about white supremacy, that are 103 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: willing to stand up and tell the truth about obstructionism, 104 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: that are willing to stand up and tell the truth 105 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: right about who their friends and foes actually are and 106 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: that they are within their own party. That this is 107 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: who you're choosing to throw under the bus and allow 108 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema off scott free, Like those are the 109 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: people that the fucking administration wants to invite over for 110 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: coffee and tea to come to some agreement. But you 111 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: want to throw out the squad, go fuck yourself, because 112 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that the decisions that are being made 113 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: right now, right about this kind of mainstream drip and 114 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: dribble of news that's saying who we're going to blame 115 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: it is going to backfire big time on Democrats, and 116 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: it will not be the fault of the squad. It 117 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: will be the fault of the inadequate, fucking, spineless white 118 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: members of Congress who have decided that, you know what, 119 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: equity is just a little too much and a little 120 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: too soon, and I'm simply I'm over it. And they're 121 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: going to watch in droves as people of color decide 122 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: to stay the fuck home, right, as young people who 123 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: you continue to give out drips and drabs. They've asking 124 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: for student loan debt relief, right to erase it, to 125 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: take off the anchor that is holding these people back 126 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: from being able to contribute more to our economy, which 127 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: apparently is more important than anything. Right, relieving that student 128 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: loan debt is what can jump start us. But no right, 129 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: because greed is good. As I've said so many times before, 130 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: we are a country filled with Gordon Geckos, Right, That's 131 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: who we are. And it is so easy and typical 132 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: right for white mainstream media to once again who is 133 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: going to be their battering ram, And it's going to 134 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: be the people of color that dare to speak out, 135 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: that dare to say that our policies are unjust and 136 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: that our democracy is failing, and that we need to 137 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: we need a new agenda. But those are the people 138 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: that you go after, not the mansions, not the cinemas. 139 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: And I'm tired, tired of it. So Mike Allen and 140 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: Axios in your stories and everyone else that's getting ready 141 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: to piggyback off of that bullshit, I see you, and 142 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you the fuck out friends on some 143 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: good news, just a little bit right, I want to 144 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: transition into a little bit of hope. Coming up next 145 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: is my weekly conversation with our friend host of Justice 146 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: Matters and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirshner. Over at the 147 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: end of last week and over the weekend, news broke 148 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: that there was actually progress made on the part of 149 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: the civil case that is being put together by New 150 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: York Age Tish James against the Trump organization that she 151 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: right has been granted the ability to be able to 152 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: depose not only Donald Trump but his fucking spawn right, 153 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: the whole crime Operation family. They have one one possible 154 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: move left, which is to appeal to the New York 155 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: State Supreme Court, which Glenn will tell us in our 156 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: upcoming interview will most likely be slapped down. But folks, 157 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: I know it. We've been collectively holding our breath. We've 158 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: been collectively trying to wait patiently for justice to prevail. 159 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: But I want to get your thoughts on whether or 160 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: not you think after listening to this interview, if we 161 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: are finally finally approaching that time that Donald Trump and 162 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: his family of criminals have finally run out of rope. 163 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next. Folks. You know that 164 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: I am always so excited when we have our friend 165 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: MSNBC legal analyst and host of Justice Matter, Glenn Kirschner, 166 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to join us to walk through the latest in all 167 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: of the legal news surrounding Donald Trump. Now, Glenn, last week, 168 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: we ended the week annoyed, right because we are still 169 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: waiting for the Department of Justice to come out heavy 170 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: to actually hold these criminals accountable. But some news out 171 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: of New York, which you and I have been talking about, 172 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: New York Attorney General Letitia James is now going to 173 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: be able to question not only Donald Trump, but to 174 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: question what I refer to as his spawn, because I 175 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: cannot stand that the media refers to forty year old 176 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: people as children and infantilizes the Trump spawn. So tell 177 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: us why this move in New York is significant, and 178 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: because we have two states right that we've been keeping 179 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: an eye on, Georgia and New York because again, the 180 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: Department of justice, in my eyesight, is nowhere to be 181 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: found in terms of what kind of investigation that they're 182 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: doing into Trump. Give us the latest out of New 183 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: York yet, Danielle, it's not just the ruling that was 184 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: made by this New York State Court judge, Judge Arthur Endgaron. 185 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing his name right, But it's what 186 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: he put, what he disclosed in his eight page ruling 187 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: that he just issued. So this is actually a fairly 188 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: routine battle over whether somebody will have to comply with 189 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a subpoena. We call it a motion to quash. These 190 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: things get litigated in every jurisdiction every day around the country. 191 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: This one's notable because it's for Donald Trump and Don 192 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Junior and Ivanka. But so the judge not only rejected 193 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's claim that he shouldn't be forced to sit 194 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: for a deposition in a G. James civil fraud investigation. 195 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: But here are a couple of things. He said that 196 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: in my thirty years of prosecutor, I haven't seen judges 197 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: put this kind of stuff in their orders in these 198 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: kind of routine motions. He said, I reviewed thousands of 199 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: pages of documents that ag james office subpoenaed from Trump 200 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: and the Trump Organization, and after he reviewed all of 201 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: that evidence. Here's what he said, and I'm going to 202 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: quote it. When a state attorney general commences an investigation 203 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: and uncovers copious evidence of possible financial fraud, she has 204 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: an absolute right to question under oath the organization's namesake, 205 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And then he added that if Attorney General 206 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: James had not opened this investigation and had not subpoenaed 207 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: Trump and Don Junior and Avanca, it would have been 208 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: quote a derrell of duty. In other words, this judge 209 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: has seen so much evidence of fraud that he dumped 210 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: those findings and conclusions into this eight page ruling, which 211 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: I urge everybody to read, and it's a really ominous sign. 212 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I know, we feel like the investigative circle has been 213 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: tightening around Donald Trump forever. That doesn't mean that's not true, 214 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: but you know, we're frustrated, we're impatient, we're tired of 215 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: a lack of accountability. And I did a long video 216 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: yesterday about how we have to try to balance that 217 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: frustration with the need for patients in what is an 218 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: unprecedented series of crimes by our highest government. Officials. So 219 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: let's give it. Let's provide a bit of a recap, right, 220 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: because again to your point, there are so many cases 221 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: pending against Donald Trump. So with New York, this is 222 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: a civil case, right, This is about the Trump organization 223 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: as a whole and their fraudulent behavior. This is it 224 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: similar to the way that Letitia James that New York 225 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: ag was able to shut down the foundation? Is this 226 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: is this the similar kind of mode of operation that 227 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: New York is taking now with the entirety of the 228 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: of the Trump organization. It is this is basically a 229 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: civil financial fraud case. Just as Tish James went after 230 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: the Trump Foundation, the charitable foundation and shut it down 231 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: and made them pay fines and penalties, just as they 232 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: went after the Trump University sham and shut it down 233 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: and made them pay fines and penalties. Danielle, the smart 234 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: money right now is on Tish James completely shuttering the 235 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Trump organization in its entirety and bankrupting it by making 236 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: them pay huge fines and penalties and perhaps restitution and 237 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: back taxes to the city and the state, hopefully ultimately defense. 238 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,359 Speaker 1: This is really the death knell of the Trump organization. 239 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: But don't forget. There's also a tandem criminal investigation being 240 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: conducted by Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney in Manhattan. The 241 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: organization has criminally indicted Alan Weisselberg, the chief financial officer, 242 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: is criminally indicted, and Donald Trump is up next. I 243 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: would bet a buck on it. Okay, So here we 244 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: have now the New York has been working in tandem 245 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: with one with one another with a civil investigation, a 246 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: criminal investigation, all including the Trump organization. When we say 247 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: the Trump organization, this is their real estate businesses, I'm 248 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: assuming right, all of the licensers and things that they 249 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: and things that they do. Is it possible though that? 250 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: What what do you anticipate? And again Trump does not 251 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: surround himself with the best or the brightest. What do 252 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: you anticipate the defense to be? The understanding around the 253 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: pushback with regard to the deposit is what Trump is 254 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: above the law, He's president. What were what was the 255 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: pushback from the Trump lawyers and what do you anticipate 256 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: the maneuvers or the sliminess that I'm referring not you, 257 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: that they will try and do to outmaneuver Tiss James 258 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: and getting Donald Trump in front of a camera in 259 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: a room to ask him questions. So they really tried 260 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: to make two They tried two things in defense of, 261 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, trying to avoid these subpoenas. They said, Tiss 262 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: James is biased against us. The judge said, nonsense, Just 263 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: because a prosecutor dislikes you doesn't mean they can't prosecute you. 264 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: So the judge completely rejected that. And then the second 265 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: was that somehow Donald Trump is being selectively prosecuted based 266 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: on a protected class, And the judge said, what class 267 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: would that be? Race, religion, gender, nicity. Yeah, denied they 268 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: had no principle basis for their claim that they shouldn't 269 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: be forced to sit in a deposition in a civil case. 270 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Danielle, the judge threw real shade 271 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: at the Trump lawyers when he said right in the middle, 272 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: he compared them to George Orwell and specifically said, yeah, 273 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: this is like George Orwell, war is peace, freedom is slavery, 274 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: and ignorance is strength. And then he added, and it's 275 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of like quote alternative facts. So he even in 276 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: his motion threw some shade at Kelly Anne Conway propagandist 277 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: that she is lumped her together with George Orwell. A 278 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: beautiful move. And that was in response, mind you, to 279 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: the Trump lawyers saying, when our accounting firm Massars walked 280 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: away from us and said they're walking away from ten 281 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: years of their accounting work because inferentially the Trump organization 282 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: gave them our Bidge numbers. They said, that's a complete 283 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: exoneration and that should shut down Tiss James civil case 284 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: and Alvin Bragg's criminal case. And the judge said, I 285 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: can't let this go unaddressed, and he accused them of 286 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: Orwellian propaganda. And I'm glad he did, because it looks 287 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: like certain segments of the judiciary are sick and tired 288 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: and fed up with Donald Trump's bs when he tries 289 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: to weaponize the delay in the court system to work 290 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: to his advantage and run out the clock. The courts 291 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: seem to be done with that. I mean, and this 292 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: isn't even about the election, but I mean with the 293 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: frivolousness right of their defense, the cases that they bring, 294 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: the appeals, the motions that they put in place, like 295 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: it is nonsense, right, and for people who actually believe 296 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: in the rule of law, regardless of how you got 297 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: on the courts to begin with. Right, if you believe 298 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: in the rule of law, then their behavior is a 299 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: slap in the face. Right, So tell us now, because 300 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: you know I get my law degree from Law and 301 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: Order on NBC, So tell me, tell us what we 302 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: can expect and what what what happens in a deposition 303 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: and will Donald Trump go first? Will it be a 304 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: vanka um do? And if they are now because of 305 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: this motion, by what the judge has said, they're out 306 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: of appeals, right, so they can't stop one more appeal, Okay, 307 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: one more appeal to a higher New York state court, 308 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: which I think will be rejected summarily, hopefully very quickly. 309 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: But then I can tell you what the depositions will 310 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: look like, because remember the recent subpoenas were for Donald Trump, 311 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: Don Junior, and Ivanka, but Eric was subpoenad previously. He 312 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: fought it, he lost, He went into that deposition and 313 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: pled the Fifth Amendment five hundred times. So I can 314 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: promise you, Danielle, that is precisely what the Trump and 315 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: Junior and Ivanka Trump depositions will look for hundreds and 316 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of invocations of their Fifth Amendment right 317 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: against self incrimination. But that has consequences in the civil 318 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: case in Tish James civil fraud investigation, if it goes 319 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: to trial, it'll probably end up settling somehow and the 320 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: Trump organization will agree to disband. But if it goes 321 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: to trial, a civil jury can and will be told 322 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Don Junior and Ivanka pleaded the Fifth 323 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: and you can use that and draw negative inferences and 324 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: make it part of your ruling against them in the 325 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: civil case. But it can never be introduced at a 326 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: criminal trial because your Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination 327 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: says you can invoke it with impunity, and a jury 328 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: is never allowed to draw a negative inference based on 329 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: the fact that you pled the Fifth. And let me 330 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: tell you, the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination is 331 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: much mocked and derided and made fun of only mobsters 332 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: and this and that it couldn't be a more valuable 333 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: constitutional right because without it, the police, law enforcement, the 334 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: government could force us to incriminate ourselves, compel us, coerce us. 335 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: So I embrace it. I teach my criminal justice students 336 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: at GW that we have to embrace these things. Even 337 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: though yes, people get to hide evidence of their crime 338 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: by not offering it to the government. That's an important 339 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: right that we all have. What are the roles that 340 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: Ivanka and Don Junior have played in the Trump organization? Right? 341 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing that has Donald Trump essentially use 342 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: this his same I don't use phones, I don't use emails, right, 343 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm not I guess signing any document like? So what 344 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: was what are their roles like? Meaning? Has Donald Trump 345 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: put his family more on the hook for his bad 346 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: behavior because he's so busy as the mob boss that 347 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: he is insulating himself right from any from from any 348 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: any any crimes, that he has left his own family 349 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: out to dry. Oh, he's put his own family, his 350 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: own adult children, thank you as you call them, in 351 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: the crosshairs. There's no two ways about it. Because you know, 352 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump thinks he's smart by not putting things in writing, 353 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: in emails and text messages like mob bosses you know 354 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: are want to do UM. So that means he talked 355 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: to his principal officers in the organization. Who would those 356 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: be Ivanka, Don Junior, Eric Um, this Calamari character, Um, 357 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: Alan Weisselberg. So that's why all of these people UM 358 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: have valuable incriminating information about their dad or their boss, 359 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: about his organization, and of course they also have information 360 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: that would incriminate themselves. I gotta tell you, it it wouldn't 361 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: shock me if an Ivanka Trump said, oh no, no, 362 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going down for daddy. I will go ahead 363 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: and tell you everything you need. You grant me immunity, 364 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: I'll write a book, and I'll ride off into the sunset. 365 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Can't you see Ivanka being ruthless enough and probably you 366 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: know this is not a high bar, but maybe being 367 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: the smartest one of the Trump clam yeah, to do 368 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: something like that. Couldn't you see her dad teaching her 369 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: the value of that kind of a lesson. Sell out 370 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: your family members, take the loop, get immunity, and ride 371 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: off into the sunset. I mean, they're the real life succession. 372 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: If anybody watches that show, I mean, they are the 373 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: real life succession. You know. I think that one of 374 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: the most interesting things here is that you know, well, 375 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: here's the question, Glenn, what makes what is happening right now? 376 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: What tissue James? How she is putting the US into 377 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: this organization? What makes this different than all of the 378 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: other cases that have been waged against Donald Trump for fraud. 379 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, he has had the name 380 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: teflon Don in New York since the eighties, right because 381 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: of his illegal behavior, but it's never caught up with him. 382 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: So is there something that makes this particular case different 383 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: than all of the other ones that came three decades before, 384 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a tribute to Tish James, 385 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: because there have been so many prosecutorial failures over the decade, 386 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: failures to hold Donald Trump accountable. Why, well, moneyed white 387 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: men are not the kind of people prosecutors prioritize when 388 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: they're enforcing the law. Donald Trump has been an unabated 389 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: crime wave for decades. Did si Vans ever take him on? 390 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: Remember the one time that Sivance as prosecutors assessed the 391 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: evidence against I believe it was it was Ivanka and 392 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: Jared or Ivanka and Don Junior. I don't want to 393 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: get the combination wrong, and the prosecutors recommended to Sivans 394 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: to bring criminal charges. Sivance under overruled the recommendation of 395 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: his career prosecutors refused to indict the Trump adult spawn 396 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: and thereafter actually took a campaign contribution from the lawyer 397 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: representing the Trumps at the time he made that decision. 398 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: How does that smell? How does that but how Glenn, 399 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: it smells like crap? So how does that not set 400 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: off red flags and alarms as to how that decision 401 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: was made and why it did set off red bells 402 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: and alarms. But years later, when Donald Trump became president, 403 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: now we were fully focusing on his past crimes and 404 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: transgressions and misdeeds, and this thing bubbled up again. But 405 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: let me tell you, Tish James is doing what every honest, 406 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: honorable prosecutor in the country should be doing against Donald Trump. 407 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: Because he's committed crimes in all fifty jurisdictions, by I believe, 408 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: committing the offensive manslaughter for avoidable COVID debts. Every single 409 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: prosecutor in the country should be dug into the grand 410 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: jury to see whether there's enough evidence to charge him. 411 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: And there is, I can tell you as an old 412 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: homicide prosecutor, there is, so Tish James has the guts 413 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: to do it, and she's doing it, and she's doing 414 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: it in the face of withering criticism from Trump in 415 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: the right wing media, and she doesn't care. That's what 416 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: a prosecutor is supposed to do. Prosecute without fear or favor, 417 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: without prejudice, without animus. She doesn't have to like him, 418 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: but she does have to prosecute his crimes, and that's 419 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 1: what she's doing. So where do we find So you know, 420 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: it was Alan Wasselbergh's his deposition, him being indicted that 421 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: kind of jump started all of this. Where is he 422 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: right now and how much of a threat is his 423 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: knowledge to the Trump organization at this time? It's a 424 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: huge threat. Where he is right now I believe is 425 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: pending trial. I don't recall if there's a trial date 426 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: set in the New York State prosecution. But he is 427 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: indicted on multiple accounts, including a fifteen year scheme of 428 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: criminal fraud in the first degree, not to mention all 429 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: sorts of tax transgressions. But so he could help take 430 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: down Donald Trump. The only question is will he or 431 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: does he want to spend the rest of his life 432 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: in prison. That's a decision he has to make for himself. 433 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: As of right now, we don't know if he has 434 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: chosen to cooperate or if he's holding fast. He's going 435 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: to be a foot soldier for Donald Trump, just like 436 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: all Donald Trump's insurrectionists and did what he told them 437 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: to do on January sixth, and now they're going to jail. 438 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: Maybe Alan Weisselberg is foolish enough to go the same 439 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: way as the oathkeepers and the rest of them. I 440 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: don't know. And the accounting firm now, right, are they 441 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: going to be held accountable? So they have been doing right. 442 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: They ended their relationship once they felt the heat being 443 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: being turned up, but for over a decade they had 444 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: been the accounting firm of note. So if we know 445 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: that Alan Weisselberg committed crimes that he is indicted for, 446 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: is the same thing going to happen to the entirety 447 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: of the accounting firm that was their firm of record? Maybe? 448 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: So I think May's ars when they said we are 449 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: walking away from Trump and his organization, and we are 450 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: disavowing the accounting work that we've done for the last 451 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: ten they're disavowing their own Warrentially, they're disavowing their own work. 452 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: They're disavowing their own work because by inference, Donald Trump 453 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: was feeding them garbage numbers, so their work can't be 454 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: relied on. So I don't want to say that they 455 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: are in fact criminally culpable as part of this conspiracy 456 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. But what they made a calculation, right, 457 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Often the calculation somebody has to make who's culpably involved 458 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: and they know the government is coming after them, is 459 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: do they want to get on the train of cooperation 460 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: or do they want to get run over by the train. 461 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Maysars decided we want to get on the train. And 462 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: there's no doubt they flipped against Trump and the organization. 463 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: And the reporting is the chief accountant responsible for doing 464 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: the work for the Trump organization has testified against Trump 465 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: and company. So they've flipped. That doesn't mean they're going 466 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: to get a complete pass, but they might. Sometimes we 467 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: give smaller, less important criminal fish a complete pass, will 468 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: give them immunity if they give us the bigger fish. 469 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes we make them take a bite of a criminal 470 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: charge and we make them a cooperating witness. You plead 471 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: guilty to this reduced charge and testify truthfully about all 472 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: the crimes you know, and that's the way we will 473 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: run somebody like that. So we don't know the exact 474 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: posture of Massaurs other than they've clearly flipped and they're 475 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: providing information about Trump and company, and that will also 476 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: help Tank Weisselberg, which might put him over the edge 477 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: to cooperation. All right, so final question for you just 478 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: you know today on this glim is walk us through 479 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: the timeline. Now, okay, so this news breaks, Donald Trump 480 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: Junior van can be deposed? How long does that? How 481 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: long does that process take to get them one by 482 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: one in and then once they are and how long 483 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: right our depositions are they? Are they time stamped or 484 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: can they you know, can they continue as a certain 485 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: amount of time that you have these people to interview 486 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: or not? And then what does it look like what 487 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: happens after the deposition? So first of all, the judge said, 488 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: I think within twenty one days, okay, will sit So 489 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: that's midmar positions. However, they're going to have an opportunity 490 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: to file an appeal to the New York Court of Appeals. 491 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: New York has a strange way of labeling their courts. 492 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: The first appellate court is called the Supreme Court of 493 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: New York. The next one is called the New York 494 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals, which is the highest court. I suspect 495 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: they'll file a petition for review and it will be 496 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: summarily rejected. So that may extend to twenty one days, 497 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: but if not, then within twenty one days, these depositions 498 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: will be held. Usually they are long fairs six eight, 499 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: eight hours until the prosecutors or the civil attorneys ask 500 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: all of the questions they want to ask and listen 501 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: to the person being deposed, say I played the fifth 502 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, hundreds and hundreds of times and thereafter. So 503 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: here's the the upside of where we are usually deposing 504 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: the most important people is the very last step, okay 505 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: before bringing that case as a civil suit against Trump 506 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: and his organization. So you know, this is kind of 507 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: the end game of the investigative stage, and then the 508 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: civil fraud suit will probably be brought pretty promptly after 509 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: these three depositions are concluded. Tell me this too, because 510 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: in the age of COVID, I'm wondering will they need 511 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: to be deposed in person? Or will Donald Trump be 512 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: doing this from the Mara Lago buffet line? Like how 513 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: how you know? Again? Because personally, I would find that 514 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: getting Donald Trump in a physical room right with his 515 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 1: you know, with his attorneys present, would be the goal here. 516 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: But is this going to be in person? Is it 517 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: going to be remote? What does that look like? So 518 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to criminal trials, remote testimony 519 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: is never a substitute. It's just not even constitutional because unfortunately, 520 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system has not kept up with the time, 521 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: so everything has to be live in court. But when 522 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: it comes to depositions and civil investigations, there's much more 523 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: leeway and the parties can actually agree to a remote 524 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: deposition where you know, tis James Staff is in New 525 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: York and Donald Trump is elsewhere and they're doing it 526 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: via a video link, so there's a lot more wiggle 527 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: room and often the parties will agree. You know, I 528 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: would prefer to see it all in one room too, 529 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: a controlled environment, right, but it wouldn't shock me if 530 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: some of the depositions now, particularly lily in the day 531 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: of COVID, are done remotely. Okay, you know, glad, So 532 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: all right, how are you feeling well? You know, last 533 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: the last question for you, how are you genuinely feeling 534 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: about this actually coming to an ahead. We always ask like, 535 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: should Donald Trump be worried? Is it is now finally 536 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: the time? Is it going to be twenty twenty two 537 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: that finally Donald Trump is held to real serious accountability 538 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: for his decades long crime spree. Are we feeling optimistic. 539 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: Should we feel hopeful about this or are we setting 540 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: ourselves up once again for a big downfall. So I 541 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: don't want to misuse a medical term, but I feel 542 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of schizophrenic because there are times when I'm really 543 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: hopeful and I'm optimistic, and then there are times when 544 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: I am so frustrated that I just want to scream. 545 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: I actually did a long video on my Justice Matters 546 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: channel yesterday talking about the how do we balance the 547 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: frustration with the need for patients. It's not easy, and 548 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: I go back and forth literally daily, if not hourly, 549 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: how I'm feeling about things, and that's okay, and I 550 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: express it and it may seem like I'm inconsistent, But 551 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, we feel different ways when we take different 552 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: information in about whether we're moving toward accountability for Donald 553 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: Trump or away from accountability for Donald Trump. Now, I 554 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: will say, at this moment, with you know Joe Biden 555 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: saying no, you're going to get the visitor logs for 556 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: January six, We're not going to hide those the way 557 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants us to hide them. With the District 558 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: Attorney for DC, Carl Racine winning a serious victory with 559 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: the Trump Inaugural Committee, the Trump organization, going back into 560 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: that litigation with Mazar's walking away from Donald Trump and 561 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: inferentially cooperating against Donald Trump, with this devastating ruling by 562 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: the New York State Court judge yesterday, with the House Committee, 563 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: and let me kind of I'll go on and on it. 564 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: Let me leave it with this little piece. You know, 565 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: Representative Jamie Raskin, who sits on the House Select Committee 566 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: and is privy to the more than five hundred interviews 567 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: with people who are cooperating with the committee and who 568 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: have provided documentation to the committee. Just recently on Dian 569 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: Obidala Show, Representative Raskin said, based on he knows all 570 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: this information that we don't because it's all going on 571 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. He said, Donald Trump is and I 572 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: quote guilty as sim a one man crime wave and 573 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: he will get his come uppance. Not the word I 574 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: would choose, but and so for Representative Raskin to say 575 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: that with his basis of knowledge, I think that's an 576 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: important pronouncement from a serious and circumspect man like Jamie Raskin. 577 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: And I draw a parallel, Danielle between that and what 578 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: this New York Court judge said after reviewing thousands of documents, 579 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: he said, there is copious evidence of possible financial fraud. 580 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: That's an informed opinion that we got at the moment. 581 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm feeling optimistic that the investigative circle is tightening around 582 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. But let's see what story breaks today, and 583 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: maybe I'll feel differently, you know, I want to say, 584 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm hell they freeze over. I too, 585 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: am optimistic about the direction, about the direction that all 586 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: of this is going, because you know, Donald Trump has 587 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: been allowed to be incredibly slippery for an incredibly long time, right, 588 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: just for the reminder that you gave us about oh 589 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: cy thence all of a sudden decides not to investigate. 590 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: Come to find out, he receives a you know, a contribution, right. 591 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: How many people have received contributions for the trunk organization, Democrats, 592 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: Republican it doesn't matter, right, He's been able to buy 593 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: his way out of jail for over three decades, and 594 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: I hope that it stops. The only thing that I 595 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: will say about Congressman Raskin that I will disagree with 596 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: he is not a one man crime wave. He is 597 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: a family crime wave. Right. He is the head of 598 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: a family of criminals, right, and everyone that he is 599 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: brought in, from Michael Collen to Alan Weisselberg to all 600 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: of the quote unquote outsiders, right, they are every single 601 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: one of them are criminals. And so birds of a 602 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: feather flock together, right. And I hope now that tissue, 603 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: James is going to be the first one to pick 604 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: it apart for those that are less courageous than her 605 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: to follow suit after this suit is actually made. So 606 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: I you know, Glenn dare I say. I will end 607 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,959 Speaker 1: today by saying I am hopeful for the first time 608 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: in many, many, many many months, that the walls actually 609 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: are closing in on Donald Trump and the Trump organization. 610 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: So as always, Glenn, we appreciate you and your insight, 611 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: and I hope that next week, when we talk again, 612 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: we have more good news to give to the woke 613 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: Apple appreciate you. Thanks dadio. Friends, as we start out 614 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: our week, let us have our woke moment of wellness. 615 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: I have been, as you know, meditating multiple times a 616 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: day and getting back outside and walking. But one of 617 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: the things that I also want to talk about, and 618 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I talk about this probably 619 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: enough on this show, is how important it is as 620 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: we all age right to recognize that movement is important. 621 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: It isn't just important, you know, for our health and wellbeing, 622 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 1: but it is really important for these times of great stress, 623 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: riot and strain. That moving our bodies, you know, taking 624 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: putting in into our calendars after ninety minutes right of 625 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: sitting still at deaths hunched over on computers. That putting 626 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: in ten to fifteen minute blocks throughout your day, of 627 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: being able to either walk around your house, your apartment, 628 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: your block, getting fresh air, stretching out your body, doing 629 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: a couple of downward dogs, a couple of twists. Right, 630 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: Being able to move and increase that nimbleness right in 631 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: our bodies is incredibly important. It helps us relieve our stress, 632 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: our anxiety, and it helps us continue to be mobile, 633 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: which my mother tells me all the time. As you age, 634 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,879 Speaker 1: the more mobile you are, the healthier you will be. 635 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: So I want to remind folks you know, sometimes take 636 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: me out on your walks with you. Right, listen to 637 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: woke a f as you're doing something that is active, 638 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: that is good for you. Let us use this rage 639 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: and this frustration as our daily movement motivator. That was 640 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: your woke moment of wellness. That is it for me today. 641 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: Folks here on Woke a f as always. Power to 642 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, Get woke 643 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.