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Speaker 1: I hope all of you guys are having a great
Speaker 1: week so far. I have two full days left in
Speaker 1: town before I go out of town again, this time
Speaker 1: for two weeks. I'm going up to Seattle to stay,
Speaker 1: uh just on right outside Seattle on a lake called
Speaker 1: Lake Shellan for about a week with my wife, and
Speaker 1: then we're catching a cruise out of Seattle to go
Speaker 1: up to Alaska, two places I've never been to before,
Speaker 1: and I'm very very excited to see. Uh that said,
Speaker 1: I am a big person. And I am paranoid about
Speaker 1: the cruise ship a little bit because I've heard they
Speaker 1: can be very claustrophobic and confined. My wife has been
Speaker 1: doing her best to try to call me down. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it will be okay, but I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come prepare with some dramamine and and just try to
Speaker 1: stay out of the room as much as possible. In
Speaker 1: the open air uh that set. I've taken all my
Speaker 1: stuff with me, so I plan on doing some shows
Speaker 1: while I'm out. We did have some NBA news yesterday
Speaker 1: that was very fascinating, a report that the Utah Jazz
Speaker 1: are going to be listening to trade offers for Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: I actually do expect them to trade him, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that a little bit. Today we had
Speaker 1: two very interesting reports from Kyrie, one from Dave mcmanimon
Speaker 1: at espn UM and then another one out of the
Speaker 1: New York Post heavily implying that the Nets are considering
Speaker 1: retaining Kyrie and Katie. We're gonna get into that a
Speaker 1: little bit. There was a very interesting quote from Adam
Speaker 1: Silver talking about Kevin Durant's trade request that I thought
Speaker 1: was kind of indicative of of where the league is
Speaker 1: going in terms of their collective bargaining agreement negotiations that
Speaker 1: will be coming up on the horizon, and just in general,
Speaker 1: a very important debate about the balance between what's best
Speaker 1: for the league and what's fair for the players that
Speaker 1: I want to get in too. Then at the very end,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna briefly touch we had Mr Bobby Marks from
Speaker 1: ESPN former GM of UM the Brooklyn Nets who said
Speaker 1: that he thought Steph Curry was number two all time
Speaker 1: behind Michael Jordan's very very spicy I'm gonna give my
Speaker 1: two cents on that as well. Um. And then at
Speaker 1: the very very end, I plan on touching a little
Speaker 1: bit on interaction that I had with Kevin Durant on
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. All right, let's get started. So first
Speaker 1: of all, I thought that that Donovan Mitchell would be
Speaker 1: the first one to get traded in this Utah Jazz situation,
Speaker 1: as we're about to get into in just a minute.
Speaker 1: I think he's a textbook number two. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you can have as the best
Speaker 1: player on your championship team. And then I also thought
Speaker 1: he had the most trade value, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: what a great way to reset just by you know,
Speaker 1: shipping Donovan Mitchell off somewhere, getting back a ton of assets,
Speaker 1: and then you can rebuild around Rudy Gobert. The reason
Speaker 1: why I said that was I didn't think Rudy Gobert
Speaker 1: had he trade value, and I was unbelievably wrong about
Speaker 1: that because the Minnesota Timberwolves play paid a ridiculous price
Speaker 1: to get Rudy Gobert. My thought process was, he's so
Speaker 1: limited offensively, even with the great things that he brings defensively,
Speaker 1: that you can't have a forty seven million dollar hit
Speaker 1: on your cap sheet in the year six for a
Speaker 1: player that doesn't help you on the offensive end of
Speaker 1: the floor the way that Rudy Gilbert doesn't help you.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, why don't they keep Gobert
Speaker 1: because his trade value is going to be lower. You
Speaker 1: flipped Donovan Mitchell, you rebuild around that. That's your way
Speaker 1: to move forward. Is essentially like a soft rebuild, right.
Speaker 1: But now that they got so much for go Bet,
Speaker 1: I think you absolutely have to trade Donovan Mitchell. The
Speaker 1: main reason why is he does have great value and secondly,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, he he is not good enough
Speaker 1: to be a number one option in my opinion. Now
Speaker 1: for starters, if you look at Donovan Mitchell's game, there
Speaker 1: are these immense strengths and these emense weaknesses. It is
Speaker 1: very up and down type of player. First of all,
Speaker 1: over the course of the last three playoff runs, he's
Speaker 1: averaging thirty two points, five rebounds, and five assists on
Speaker 1: from the field on threes ten attempts per game. That's
Speaker 1: a wild staff. So like a dead eye, high volume
Speaker 1: three point shooter from the free throw line, shooting overall.
Speaker 1: So in terms of counting stats offensive production, he's top tier.
Speaker 1: That's what you're getting from the best superstars around the league.
Speaker 1: But the gaping holes in his game, the giant weaknesses, massively,
Speaker 1: massively undercut his impact for starters. His shot selection at
Speaker 1: times can be super spotty. He's not a good game manager.
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's going to have a good
Speaker 1: feel for what the five man unit needs. You know,
Speaker 1: I talked about you know, there's different archetypes of basketball players.
Speaker 1: To talk about this all the time. There's like a
Speaker 1: scoring archetype, and then there's like a playmaking game management archetype.
Speaker 1: And then there are like play finishers, right, like you
Speaker 1: know Anthony Davis is an example of a play finisher.
Speaker 1: And then there are role players, right. You have defensive stoppers,
Speaker 1: you have interior rim protectors, you know, point guards that
Speaker 1: can just get you set up in your offense. Think
Speaker 1: like a DJ Augustine type of thing. There's all these
Speaker 1: different archetypes of basketball players and they are complementary to
Speaker 1: each other. You need all these boxes checked in various
Speaker 1: different ways. For instance, with my team that I put
Speaker 1: together to run in my men's leagues here in Tucson.
Speaker 1: Like I know, I'm a score, that's what I do.
Speaker 1: So I targeted a friend of mine named Josh who
Speaker 1: played college. While he's a great game manager and a
Speaker 1: great playmaker, I make sure that he's on my team
Speaker 1: because our skill sets complement each other. It's important to
Speaker 1: kind of like have have all the boxes checked on
Speaker 1: a basketball team in order for the entire function, the
Speaker 1: entire team to function properly well. Because Donovan Mitchell, even
Speaker 1: though he is such a dynamic score, he struggles with
Speaker 1: that game management piece, and that was a big part
Speaker 1: of why the Jazz struggled so much to reach their
Speaker 1: full potential in the playoffs. You know, in a in
Speaker 1: a playoff series, it's so important not just to have
Speaker 1: you know, the the X number of possessions where Donovan
Speaker 1: Mitchell shoots to go well. It's important for the totality
Speaker 1: of all the possessions that the Utah Jazz have in
Speaker 1: a seven game series to go well. That could be
Speaker 1: close a possessions, right, So you need you need a
Speaker 1: game manager, someone that can make sure that on a
Speaker 1: possession by possession basis, everyone is staying in rhythm, everyone's
Speaker 1: getting quality shots and things along those lines. Five assists
Speaker 1: per game isn't bad. It's not like Donovan Mitchell's incapable
Speaker 1: of making reads or driving into the paint and kicking out.
Speaker 1: But you almost get a little bit of a Westbrook
Speaker 1: vibe from him when you watch him in a playoff
Speaker 1: series where he never really sees a shot that he
Speaker 1: doesn't like, and he he's very acutely aware of his
Speaker 1: rhythm and how he's feeling on the court, but he
Speaker 1: struggles to kind of get a feel for how everyone
Speaker 1: else is doing on the court. No shame in that
Speaker 1: I have that weakness myself when I played. It just
Speaker 1: means that you need to put him alongside someone that
Speaker 1: can do that. That's why he's in number two in
Speaker 1: my opinion. And then secondly, it's the defensive end of
Speaker 1: the floor. Rudy Gobert called him out for this after
Speaker 1: that last playoff run, right, uh, comparing him to Devin
Speaker 1: booker Um. But you know, at his size and athleticism
Speaker 1: for him to be as bad of a perimeter defender
Speaker 1: as he is is kind of inexcusable, and he's actually
Speaker 1: trending downwards in that department rather than trending upwards. He
Speaker 1: was a great defensive player in college, so as that
Speaker 1: has slipped, he's turned into kind of a given to
Speaker 1: take kind of guy. He's a guard that can shoot
Speaker 1: you into a game and he can shoot you out
Speaker 1: of the game. And because he doesn't impact the game
Speaker 1: a ton around that, his impact is limited. So that's
Speaker 1: why the Devin Booker comp is so interesting. Devin Booker
Speaker 1: is a very similar type of player, not in terms
Speaker 1: of their their literal impact on the game, because one's
Speaker 1: a slashing guard and Devin Booker is more of like
Speaker 1: a bigger three level score that's relies heavily on on
Speaker 1: shot making right there. Different, but they're they're similar in
Speaker 1: their approach to the game in the sense that they're
Speaker 1: both score first guards that you know, don't have the
Speaker 1: ultimate physical tools to be the you know, super duper
Speaker 1: star number one option. They both kind of fall back
Speaker 1: into that number two type of vibe, right and if
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, who's a better player than Donovan Mitchell, who's
Speaker 1: a better defensive player than Donovan Mitch can't be a
Speaker 1: number one? What does that tell you about Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: So from that same point, the way I look at
Speaker 1: it like, if you're the Utah Jazz, you have to
Speaker 1: get a number one, and Donovan Mitchell is not that guy.
Speaker 1: But it's also unrealistic to expect Donovan Mitchell to wait
Speaker 1: around and waste prime years of his career while you
Speaker 1: do a soft rebuild looking for the talent to make
Speaker 1: a run with him. You could take two or three
Speaker 1: years to find that guy, and Donovan Mitchell could get
Speaker 1: a wandering eye and want to go to some other
Speaker 1: team to play with one of his friends before that happens,
Speaker 1: especially since he's had some run ins with Utah Jazz
Speaker 1: fans over the years. So I I'm a big believer
Speaker 1: in acknowledging the reality of the situation. We talked about
Speaker 1: this a lot with the Brooklyn Nets. Right. One of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I think they need to trade everybody
Speaker 1: is even if Katie and Kyrie decided to come back,
Speaker 1: they're just not good enough in this particular season because
Speaker 1: they don't have good enough role players around them. So,
Speaker 1: like acknowledge the reality of your situation. Donovan Mitchell is
Speaker 1: not a number one. He's probably not gonna wait around
Speaker 1: long enough to for you to find a number one.
Speaker 1: Why don't you flip him for as many assets as
Speaker 1: you can get. You already got this fantastic hall from
Speaker 1: the Rudy Gobert trade. You've got three starting level players
Speaker 1: that started for a playoff team, a playoff team that
Speaker 1: took two games off of the number two seed, right,
Speaker 1: and you got all the draft picks. Not only can
Speaker 1: you flip those role players like you can flip Patrick
Speaker 1: Beverley and Malik Beasley and Jared Vanderbilt for additional assets.
Speaker 1: You could probably get maybe another first or two out
Speaker 1: of that. You can flip those guys, and you can
Speaker 1: flip Donovan Mitchell for another hall of role players and
Speaker 1: picks and things along those lines. You can in one
Speaker 1: offseason completely fill your asset trove, which could be the
Speaker 1: thing that you use to target the next disgruntled superstar
Speaker 1: or to trade up in the draft for number one
Speaker 1: overall pick. If you have a specific prospect that you like,
Speaker 1: like a Victor women Yama right, like that they have
Speaker 1: the ability because they hit such a home with the
Speaker 1: Golbert trade to completely retool their asset trope like that,
Speaker 1: And so I think I think that they're headed in
Speaker 1: the right direction. Here. A couple of things as far
Speaker 1: as Donovan Mitchell potential trade destinations. My friend Tony Jones,
Speaker 1: who covers the Utah Jazz, mentioned the the New York
Speaker 1: Knicks as a team that's expected to put together an offer.
Speaker 1: I get it for the Knicks, and I mean they
Speaker 1: should because why the hell not. And I'm not as
Speaker 1: high on R. J. Barrett as everyone else is, right,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's a race to mediocrity. And Donovan
Speaker 1: Mitchell team with Jalen Brunson and Julius Randall, is gonna
Speaker 1: win forty five games b a five or six seed
Speaker 1: and lose to the Milwaukee Bucks or the Mighty Heat
Speaker 1: in the first round. Like that's just what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with that team. Now becomes much more interesting in Madison
Speaker 1: Square Garden. Also, I'm a big believer in projecting competence
Speaker 1: so that you can use that competence to draw the
Speaker 1: next star. You get Donovan Mitchell. You have a couple
Speaker 1: of forty seven win seasons, you have a couple of
Speaker 1: first round exits, but you project competence, you have a
Speaker 1: good head code in there, you keep the head coach
Speaker 1: for a long time. Everybody looks happy and everything's going well.
Speaker 1: Then when you have cap space available, that's when you
Speaker 1: can actually pitch to a superstar, like, hey, look at
Speaker 1: this successful operation we're running here, you should jump on
Speaker 1: with us. Donovan Mitchell's are perfect number two for you.
Speaker 1: Come and play, you know what I mean. Or maybe
Speaker 1: you can get if if you don't have to spend
Speaker 1: too many assets in the Donovan Mitchell trade. You can
Speaker 1: accumulate assets around that and maybe you flip a Julius
Speaker 1: Randall and a Jalen Brunson first superstar at some point
Speaker 1: in the future. So I like the move for the
Speaker 1: Knicks in terms of a franchise, a push forward for
Speaker 1: the franchise, but making no mistake that team is not
Speaker 1: doing anything. Uh. The two the two teams that I
Speaker 1: had in mind, and I actually mentioned these right after
Speaker 1: the Jazz got limited from the eliminated from the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You might remember, but like I talked about earlier about
Speaker 1: complimentary pieces and just like trying to check all the
Speaker 1: boxes on a basketball team, there are two teams out
Speaker 1: there that have everything except for elite, high end offensive creation.
Speaker 1: This is the Miami Heat and the Toronto Raptors. These
Speaker 1: are the two teams that I mentioned right after the
Speaker 1: Jazz got eliminated. Toronto is deep with athleticism and wings.
Speaker 1: They're extremely well coached. They've got a freak young prospect
Speaker 1: in Scotty Barnes. They have everything in the world that
Speaker 1: you need in order to win a championship except for
Speaker 1: the top tier type of scoring threat. Now, typically I'd
Speaker 1: say Donovan Mitchell isn't good enough to be a number
Speaker 1: one option, but in this case, you could kind of like,
Speaker 1: look at uh it being a combination of a Pascal
Speaker 1: Siakim and Donovan Mitchell together, kind of amounting to somebody
Speaker 1: that could give you a puncher's chance because of how
Speaker 1: much talent they have around them. Miami Heat the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. Jimmy Butler is your number one there, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be the number one, but it
Speaker 1: just gives them that extra offensive punch that they so
Speaker 1: desperately need because nobody other than Jimmy Butler can create
Speaker 1: their own shot there. So if the Kad sweepstakes go
Speaker 1: south for those two teams, Donovan Mitchell's really interesting backup plan,
Speaker 1: and you'd be less expensive. I think Toronto should give
Speaker 1: up Scottie Barnes for Kad. Toronto fans think I'm crazy. Well,
Speaker 1: here's your alternative. If you don't want to get Katie
Speaker 1: for Scotty Barnes, you can probably get Donovan Mitchell for
Speaker 1: a bunch of draft picks and like O, G N
Speaker 1: and OBI, you know what I mean. So, like, there's
Speaker 1: there's a version of this story where, uh, where you
Speaker 1: could back up plan yourself into a Donovan Mitchell. Now
Speaker 1: you're going at this with all of your length and athleticism,
Speaker 1: but with Donovan Mitchell as another scoring punch to make
Speaker 1: things easier so that your defense can actually be enough
Speaker 1: for you to win. So those are the two teams
Speaker 1: that I keep an eye on, Miami and Toronto. If
Speaker 1: they don't get Kadi, look at them as backup plans
Speaker 1: for Donovan Mitchell. Phoenix is actually an interesting example of
Speaker 1: a team that could do that as well. Um. Moving
Speaker 1: on to Kyrie. So we had David met him in
Speaker 1: from ESPN. He reported, I believe on Get up or
Speaker 1: NBA today. Um, it was either yesterday the day before.
Speaker 1: He said that now the Lakers are waiting to see
Speaker 1: if the Nets decided to bring Katie and Kyrie back.
Speaker 1: Then we get this report from the New York Post
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna read this quote. How did we get it?
Speaker 1: This is from one, This is from a source. How
Speaker 1: did we get into this situation and trade? When he
Speaker 1: opted in? The source asked? Asked rhetorically, here's the situation.
Speaker 1: He opted in, which means he had and has every
Speaker 1: intention of playing with the Brooklyn Nets. Kad decides he
Speaker 1: wants to out, and now everybody is talking about trading Kyrie. Right,
Speaker 1: Kyrie has not asked for a trade. Now, if the
Speaker 1: Nets don't want him, that's something totally different. Kyrie has
Speaker 1: not said he wants a trade. He opted in. So
Speaker 1: where did the trade conversations come from? Is it because
Speaker 1: Katie requested a trade and now everyone's like, let's trade
Speaker 1: k Kyrie opted in? Now? I tweeted out when I
Speaker 1: saw that yesterday, I was like, how stupid do they
Speaker 1: think we are? Because like, literally, we know the friends
Speaker 1: that the Nets front office doesn't want Kyrie. If they
Speaker 1: wanted Kyrie, they would have offered him a dope extension
Speaker 1: to make everything fit with k D so that they
Speaker 1: can move on to the future. The Nets purposefully put
Speaker 1: their foot down there, right. Kyrie, his camp NonStop leaked
Speaker 1: for weeks that he wanted to go to l A.
Speaker 1: Then Kyrie out in public gets shouted at by a
Speaker 1: fan saying, hey, why are you coming to the Lakers,
Speaker 1: and he said soon like, how dumb do you think
Speaker 1: we are? Man? I mean, don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: I agree that Kyrie probably in a perfect world, would
Speaker 1: have liked to have resigned with the Nets and stayed
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn with Katie. But the reality of the situation
Speaker 1: is the tension and the fracture and the awkwardness. There
Speaker 1: is too much to go back. There's an outside chance
Speaker 1: that they try that. There's an outside chance that Brooklyn goes, hey,
Speaker 1: let's all just come back and do this. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's off the table, but it would be a weird,
Speaker 1: toxic vibe. All that takes is a three or four
Speaker 1: game losing streak or Kyrie missing some time again for
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to have issues. They could be right back in
Speaker 1: the situation at the trade deadline, which is probably not
Speaker 1: what they want to do. Right. So, like, I still
Speaker 1: think that that that that this is trending towards everybody
Speaker 1: getting traded. It's just funny to see. And this is
Speaker 1: classic leverage plays, right, like we might bring them to camp. No,
Speaker 1: you won't. You don't want toxicity around the team when
Speaker 1: you start a new season. It's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Kyrie wants to stay in the with the Nets. No
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He wants to go to the Lakers. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: We've literally heard that out of his literal mouth. Okay,
Speaker 1: so everyone, and then Katie literally went to Josiah and
Speaker 1: directly requested a trade. That that's that's just been known
Speaker 1: to be true. So we don't have to lie to
Speaker 1: each other here about what's happening. This is all leverage play.
Speaker 1: There's one thing, and one thing only that can put
Speaker 1: Brooklyn's train back on the tracks, and that's Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: If Kevin Durant comes out and straight up I don't know,
Speaker 1: goes straight to Wogent says it, or comes straight out
Speaker 1: and says it himself and goes, hey, I changed my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be traded. I'm gonna at least
Speaker 1: not right now. I'm gonna come back and play this season.
Speaker 1: With the nets. Kyrie's coming with me. We're gonna make
Speaker 1: this thing work. If k D says that, then it
Speaker 1: will happen, be because then you can count on Katie
Speaker 1: and Kyrie to go into camp motivated and taking it
Speaker 1: seriously because you know it's their idea, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But if Sean Marks forces them to come
Speaker 1: back to camp, there's so much more risk that can
Speaker 1: come from that. So everything is hurtling towards these guys
Speaker 1: getting traded. The one thing that could put them back
Speaker 1: onto the tracks is k D coming out and saying
Speaker 1: I would rather stay. Okay, So, like, unless we hear
Speaker 1: that specifically, all of this is just noise in a
Speaker 1: negotiation ploy. Alright. So Adam Silver releases a quote in
Speaker 1: like his little State of the Union thing that he
Speaker 1: did yesterday, basically saying that he doesn't like the league
Speaker 1: doesn't like to see trade requests like what happened with
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, and he specifically said that it's something that
Speaker 1: they're going to have to deal with in the next
Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement. Now, this is a super super complicated topic, right,
Speaker 1: because there's a huge difference between what's morally correct and
Speaker 1: what's best for the league. Now, when I say best
Speaker 1: for the league, that's not just best for the owners
Speaker 1: because they're on a fifty revenue split. So whatever's best
Speaker 1: for the league is equally beneficial to the players as
Speaker 1: it is to the owners. That's just mathematically how the
Speaker 1: contract works. But there's a big difference between what's best
Speaker 1: for the league and what's actually morally fair. Because every
Speaker 1: time I see this kind of thing, I am I
Speaker 1: feel almost obligated to point out the moral conundrum, like
Speaker 1: Adam Silver saying, and I don't have the exact quote
Speaker 1: in front of me, but basically what he says is like,
Speaker 1: these franchises offer a great deal of security to the
Speaker 1: players financially through the guarantee that's in the contract, and
Speaker 1: all they ask is for them to fulfill the contract.
Speaker 1: But we've literally seen so many times throughout NBA history
Speaker 1: a player be like, Okay, franchise, I will do this
Speaker 1: for five years, sign on the dotted line. Oh, Blake
Speaker 1: Griffins with the Detroit Pistons. Now, like we've just seen
Speaker 1: that happen so many times over the years. The franchises
Speaker 1: do not feel that loyalty to the players, and so
Speaker 1: it's not fair to expect the players to demonstrate that
Speaker 1: same loyalty to the franchises. So that's the moral reality
Speaker 1: of the situation. But the the the what's best for
Speaker 1: the league is entirely different, because, like I talked about
Speaker 1: with Colin Coward after the um after the NBA Finals,
Speaker 1: there's just there's just something to be said about organic
Speaker 1: fan bases. You know, the NBA has had rating issues
Speaker 1: over the years. This year things trended back in the
Speaker 1: right direction. I tend to think that has a lot
Speaker 1: more to do with the talent that's in the league.
Speaker 1: The the TV product of the NBA right now is excellent.
Speaker 1: It has some room for important improvement, but it's excellent.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why fans are driving back towards
Speaker 1: the NBA. But make no mistake, there's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that the Golden State Warriors fan base
Speaker 1: is so healthy. The Colin told you guys himself. The
Speaker 1: average NBA team makes about two hundred million dollars a
Speaker 1: year in revenue. The Warriors make like seven hundred million.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is. It's not just because
Speaker 1: rich people are Warriors fans. It's because they have so
Speaker 1: many of them, and and and a big part of
Speaker 1: that is from the beginning of this era, when Steph
Speaker 1: was drafted, through Clay's drafting, through Draymond's drafting, through them
Speaker 1: going on that interesting playoff run in two thousand thirteen
Speaker 1: to almost beat the Spurs, to them losing in seven
Speaker 1: games to the Clippers in two thousand fourteen, to the
Speaker 1: the title in two thousand fifteen, two and Steph winning
Speaker 1: an m v P to the near miss, the low
Speaker 1: of two thousand sixteen, having this amazing season that ends
Speaker 1: and you losing two, then you signing Kevin Durrant winning
Speaker 1: two in a row to you know, Kevin during and
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson getting injured, and you losing in the finals,
Speaker 1: to the disaster that was the season, and you missed
Speaker 1: the playoffs, to the season and you missed the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You guys, get the point here. There's all of these
Speaker 1: highs and lows, and then it culminates and then winning
Speaker 1: a title in two with Steph Clay and Draymond and
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr and Bob Myers and Joe Lacap that's the
Speaker 1: same core that was there in two thousand fifteen. You
Speaker 1: know and and before that just Steve Kerr right, so
Speaker 1: it was different. So the point is is like the
Speaker 1: fan base is freakishly loyal in ravenous and loud and
Speaker 1: easy to monetize because of the loyalty that was bred
Speaker 1: from the franch over the course of that decade with
Speaker 1: the franchise. So there, the reality is is Brooklyn could
Speaker 1: not get people to buy tickets. Brooklyn's TV ratings were
Speaker 1: some of the worst in the league locally. So what
Speaker 1: that tells us despite having Kyrie Irving is one of
Speaker 1: the most fun players to watch an NBA history, and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durand is arguably a top ten player of all time.
Speaker 1: So the point there is the lesson to learn there
Speaker 1: is that the health of the league directly leads to money,
Speaker 1: and the health of the league is largely tied to ravenous,
Speaker 1: loyal local fan bases. You're gonna see this with Milwaukee
Speaker 1: over the years of the honest days, they will become
Speaker 1: a very monetize herble fan base because they will have
Speaker 1: this long, extended stretch of continuity with a core group
Speaker 1: of players that the fans are irrevocably attached to. That's
Speaker 1: always going to be an important part of this. Now, again,
Speaker 1: there's as soon as you if the league does things
Speaker 1: and negotiates for things to try to force players to stay,
Speaker 1: not necessarily forced, but heavily incentivized players to stay, they
Speaker 1: do dramatically shift the morality, right, because if players are
Speaker 1: incentivized to stay, but then teams can still trade them
Speaker 1: all day long, it's not necessarily fair. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's just the reality of the
Speaker 1: way that the system works, and they don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think the players necessarily see the pain of the finances
Speaker 1: in the immediate future because of the TV contract, right,
Speaker 1: But like what if I told you, like what if
Speaker 1: you were able to tell the fans like, hey, by
Speaker 1: virtue of doing this, if you are forced or heavily
Speaker 1: incentivized to stay with the team that drafted you, our
Speaker 1: next TV deal will be x dollars bigger, you know,
Speaker 1: or maybe not that one but the one after. Because
Speaker 1: it takes sometimes, like with the Warriors, it takes a
Speaker 1: half decade a decade to breed that fan base. But
Speaker 1: at at a certain point, the league needs to understand,
Speaker 1: the players need to understand that there's a trade off there,
Speaker 1: and they need to decide how much they want to
Speaker 1: fight for. Because if you make the league into a
Speaker 1: mercenary league where teams are constantly in flux and players
Speaker 1: are constantly teaming up with different guys every couple of
Speaker 1: years and moving all over the country, you will only
Speaker 1: breed fans that are fans of the league, and that
Speaker 1: typically is going to be a more intense basketball fan.
Speaker 1: You will lose visual fans that are in these local areas.
Speaker 1: Like if if the Phoenix Suns had some variation of
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, Mikhail Bridges and DeAndre Ayton for the next decade,
Speaker 1: then Phoenix would become a ravenous fan base. But if
Speaker 1: after this year they flipped the whole thing over and
Speaker 1: it's Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and no one else,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very different, you know. And that's just
Speaker 1: one example. But again, you have to decide do you
Speaker 1: want a mercenaries league where you make less money in
Speaker 1: the long run, or do you want a league that
Speaker 1: has a more traditional structure that breeds strong local fan
Speaker 1: bases and you guys all make more money in the
Speaker 1: long run. And it's a tough decision, And I don't
Speaker 1: know what the answer there is and only the players
Speaker 1: knowing it's up to them to figure out. They got
Speaker 1: to decide what they think is worth fighting for. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to Stephan Lebron. So Bobby marks Um
Speaker 1: said that he would have step second behind MJ all time. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys have heard me talk about this stuff before.
Speaker 1: I don't really I'm not changing your minds like that.
Speaker 1: That's the reality of the situation. Like you Warriors fans
Speaker 1: out there, and I know a lot of you listen
Speaker 1: to the show, like Steph's your guy, man, I just
Speaker 1: broke that down for you. For a decade, for better
Speaker 1: or worse, He's been your guy and he's come through
Speaker 1: for you so many times. So like, I understand your
Speaker 1: loyalty to him, and I totally get it. It's literally
Speaker 1: the same way that I feel about Lebron. I grew
Speaker 1: up watching him. He came through as a as I
Speaker 1: was a fan of his. He came through so many
Speaker 1: times that, like, I just have this faith in what
Speaker 1: he can do on the basketball court. So it's difficult
Speaker 1: for people to convince me that Kevin Durant or Steph
Speaker 1: is better than him. So I get that, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to convince you, guys, I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: you my impression of the situation. Now, Steph, I we're
Speaker 1: gonna do an in depth player ranking as we get
Speaker 1: into the further end of the summer, as we get
Speaker 1: kind of out of some of this free agency stuff
Speaker 1: and out of this trade stuff, and actually in the
Speaker 1: real dog days of NBA summer, which is like August,
Speaker 1: we're gonna spend a lot of time on list, so
Speaker 1: I will get deeper into this. But I think step
Speaker 1: is probably the fifth or sixth best player of all time.
Speaker 1: Uh And and you guys, remember I rank mind different.
Speaker 1: I keep a list of bigs, and then I keep
Speaker 1: a list of perimeter players. But in that list of
Speaker 1: perimeter players, I I have Lebron, I have m J.
Speaker 1: I've got Magic Johnson, I've got Kobe, And then it's
Speaker 1: like Stephen Larry Bird are kind of competing for that
Speaker 1: fifth spot there. Steph is my second favorite player of
Speaker 1: this era. I have the utmost respect for Steph. But
Speaker 1: make no mistake, guys, there's a reason why Lebron is
Speaker 1: in the conversation with m J. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: ahead of MJ. But there's a reason why he's in
Speaker 1: that conversation. His resume is completely insane. I I need
Speaker 1: to read this to you guys, just you can get
Speaker 1: a feel for what I'm talking about. So obviously, Steph
Speaker 1: has matched Lebron in titles. Lebron has four titles, Steph
Speaker 1: has four title. That's where the comparisons end. Conference titles,
Speaker 1: Lebron has ten, Steph has six m vps, Lebron has four.
Speaker 1: Steph has two finals MVPs Lebron has four. Steph has
Speaker 1: won two if you count two thousand fifteen, which I count,
Speaker 1: so four to two All Star appearances. Lebron eighteen, Steph eight,
Speaker 1: First Team All NBA. This is wild. Lebron thirteen times
Speaker 1: media members thought he was a top five player in
Speaker 1: the NBA Steph four. All Defense selections, Lebron six, Steph zero.
Speaker 1: Lebron has seventeen thousand more points than Steph, six thousand
Speaker 1: more rebounds in five thousand more assists. That's basically one
Speaker 1: Janice career. So if Steph went to have Janice's career
Speaker 1: from right now, Janice's total career to this point, he
Speaker 1: would just get to where Lebron is, and he'd still
Speaker 1: be about three thousand points behind. Like, that's how ridiculous
Speaker 1: Lebron's resume is. That's why he's in the conversation with
Speaker 1: m J. Again, I wouldn't put him ahead, but that's
Speaker 1: why he's there. And so like, I'm not gonna convince you, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, like, you know, when the Lebron
Speaker 1: fan says he's ahead of MJ, and how ridiculous it sounds,
Speaker 1: because MJ wants six titles and eight tries with Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen as his best teammate. When he was miles better
Speaker 1: than anybody else in the league. It was blasphemy to
Speaker 1: even mention another person's name in his breath. That's how
Speaker 1: good MJ was. That's how ridiculous Lebron fans sound when
Speaker 1: they say Lebron was ahead of MJ. That's how ridiculous
Speaker 1: step fans sound when they say steps ahead of Lebron,
Speaker 1: and that that's all I'm saying, Like it's okay for
Speaker 1: Steph to be the sixth best peruder player of all time.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. The dude played what three years of college basketball.
Speaker 1: The dude had horrible ankle injuries that disrupted the beginning
Speaker 1: of his career. He's the only guy on the list
Speaker 1: who's as small as he is. It's ridiculous. Sorry about that.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that he's had the career that he's had
Speaker 1: with what he's been given. He has massively outperformed anything
Speaker 1: you could have ever hoped or expected from him. And
Speaker 1: he still is playing basketball. But let's not get crazy.
Speaker 1: That's all we're saying in here. And then even if
Speaker 1: we look at the absolute peak, So I think Steph's
Speaker 1: absolute peak was this season. I thought he was an
Speaker 1: unbelievable defensive player this season, and in terms of you
Speaker 1: actually factor in the way defenses guard him compared to
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen and two thousand fifteen when they still
Speaker 1: didn't really know how, and for him to be as
Speaker 1: efficient as he was, to have that playoff run that
Speaker 1: he just had with Andrew freaking Wiggins as his best player.
Speaker 1: I was arguing with some people up in uh up
Speaker 1: in Vegas, um about Steff, you know, and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I became the staff defender I was. I was arguing
Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine and he's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure Steff has ever really carried I'm like dude,
Speaker 1: he just wanted title with Andrew Wiggins as his best teammate. Like,
Speaker 1: how is not carrying? You know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: that's that, That, to me is what encapsulates Steph's absolute
Speaker 1: peak season. This two season was the best version of
Speaker 1: Staff that I saw in terms of control of the game,
Speaker 1: scoring efficiently in the playoffs, defending, being the chess master,
Speaker 1: deciphering defenses. Everything that he did to drag that team
Speaker 1: to the trophy, to me was the peak of Steph.
Speaker 1: That said, I think Lebron had four seasons that were better.
Speaker 1: I think in two thousand thirteen when he was the
Speaker 1: best defensive player in basketball and uh like uh ridiculously efficient.
Speaker 1: You know, I think his true shooting percentages was in
Speaker 1: the sixties and he was averaging thirty points in two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen to get the sixty six wins and to
Speaker 1: win the title the way he did that year two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, every bit as impactful defensively as he was intoirteen,
Speaker 1: but a better offensive player than he was two thousand eighteen.
Speaker 1: The best peak offensive version of Lebron. Not a very good,
Speaker 1: not a great defensive player that season, but the peak
Speaker 1: offensive version of Lebron. That was the best offensive player
Speaker 1: I ever saw, and then arguably is his best season
Speaker 1: because he was an all defense level defender. He didn't
Speaker 1: get voted that year, but he was an all defense
Speaker 1: level defender and he was unbelievable in the playoff runs,
Speaker 1: shot in the in the finals, averaging thirty to win
Speaker 1: finals MVP, and never he was even threatened on his
Speaker 1: way to the title like Lebron. I I'm a huge
Speaker 1: step fan, guys. You guys know that, and again I
Speaker 1: understand I'm not going to change your mind, but to me,
Speaker 1: this is not close. Like Steph is fighting with Larry
Speaker 1: Bird for fifth, he's not fighting with Lebron for second.
Speaker 1: That's just we're jumping the gun there. I read out
Speaker 1: the numbers for you. It's just it's just it's just
Speaker 1: too much. One last thing before we get out of here. So, UM,
Speaker 1: this one. I don't respond to trolls on Twitter almost ever, um,
Speaker 1: just because there's hundreds of them. They're awful people. What's
Speaker 1: the point. But I had one that went kind of
Speaker 1: viral the other day on on Monday. UM, not viral,
Speaker 1: but kind of made some rounds on Twitter that was
Speaker 1: kind of false about me. And so I quote tweeted it,
Speaker 1: and it basically what it was was, Uh, somebody took
Speaker 1: the stats from my worst college season and put them
Speaker 1: out and uh, and people were having their taking their
Speaker 1: shots and taking their victory lapse. You know how that goes.
Speaker 1: Um But I actually thought it was a really interesting
Speaker 1: chance to teach a valuable basketball lesson and it turned
Speaker 1: it turned into a bigger thing because after I tweeted
Speaker 1: out my actual basketball resume, Kevin Durant responded underneath it, uh,
Speaker 1: kind of having my back, but in like his own way,
Speaker 1: kind of making fun of people for giving him crap
Speaker 1: for defending himself to trolls, which is a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: And I get it. I've never had an issue with
Speaker 1: Katie complaining or batting back at strolls. The way I
Speaker 1: look at it is Katie is is completely authentic. Katie
Speaker 1: is always going to be exactly what he wants to be.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care what you want him to be. He's
Speaker 1: gonna just put real Kevin out there in the public
Speaker 1: for the whole world to see. And I've always admired
Speaker 1: that about him. And he's the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: gets irritated with trolls, and so he talks to trolls often,
Speaker 1: but I did it this one time, and he took
Speaker 1: that as an opportunity to kind of piggyback off that.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about the basketball for a
Speaker 1: second because this is a very very valuable basketball lesson.
Speaker 1: So a couple of things this and for those of
Speaker 1: you haven't heard, I'm going to kind of go through
Speaker 1: my college basketball resume here a little bit. So, Uh,
Speaker 1: in college, I was just an athlete. I I was
Speaker 1: six six with six ten wakespan. I could jump out
Speaker 1: of the gym. I could shoot a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't dribble, and I certainly didn't know the game
Speaker 1: very well. I was a very late bloomer. My parents
Speaker 1: raised me on football and baseball, so I didn't even
Speaker 1: really pick up a basketball until I was about fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. Even then, I just shot around on a
Speaker 1: hoop in my backyard. I got cut from JV as
Speaker 1: a sophomore. I made j V as a junior, but
Speaker 1: I didn't play, And I made varsity as a senior,
Speaker 1: but I didn't play. So like I I just was.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a high school player. Then I went two
Speaker 1: years of college where I just was playing pick up
Speaker 1: all the time. And I got to the point where
Speaker 1: I was functional enough. I walked into an open gym
Speaker 1: at a junior college, destroyed everybody, but again it was
Speaker 1: a local junior college. They offered me a scholarship. That
Speaker 1: third year of college is when I started playing college ball.
Speaker 1: But I was super super raw, like I had like
Speaker 1: a forty inch vertical six ten wingspan tall. But I
Speaker 1: I didn't know the game. I didn't know how to play.
Speaker 1: I could shoot when I was I was streaky, I
Speaker 1: could shoot when I was hot. That was it. But like,
Speaker 1: what's interesting is my career, My college career follows a
Speaker 1: descending pattern statistically. But what's funny is the last season,
Speaker 1: my worst statistical season was actually my best. There was
Speaker 1: when I was my best version of myself as a player.
Speaker 1: I say all this to say this, guys, I I
Speaker 1: did play in college, but that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with this, like what we're doing here. I have never
Speaker 1: ever tried to be like, listen to me, I played
Speaker 1: in college, Like no, that doesn't matter. Why why would
Speaker 1: you go listen to J. J. Reddick? Then he played
Speaker 1: in the NBA? What this is? What we're doing here
Speaker 1: is I love the game of basketball so much that
Speaker 1: I pour my heart and soul into it every day.
Speaker 1: And this is what allows me to do this, To
Speaker 1: watch as much film as I do, to care about
Speaker 1: it as much as I do, and to try to
Speaker 1: express that to you guys. Uh. Does the fact that
Speaker 1: I play in college? Does it help? Sure? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: helps with some perspective on certain things. But there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there. I met Kevin O'Connor
Speaker 1: in Vegas as someone I've been meeting wanting to meet
Speaker 1: for a long time. Kevin O'Connor didn't play college basketball.
Speaker 1: That dude is an incredible NBA writer and podcaster. He's
Speaker 1: super smart and he knows his stuff. He doesn't need
Speaker 1: to have played in college to be able to tell
Speaker 1: you that. So when I talk about these kinds of things,
Speaker 1: they're just to kind of offer experience and knowledge. It's
Speaker 1: never to be like, look at me, I'm better than you, guys.
Speaker 1: I played in college. I don't care. No one's paying
Speaker 1: me a penny to play basketball now it's pointless. But
Speaker 1: my college basketball journey is an interesting lesson in the
Speaker 1: way that situation can impact a basketball player. My first
Speaker 1: season in college. That when I just told you guys
Speaker 1: about I average sixteen points in ten bounce per game.
Speaker 1: I had a career high thirty one in that season.
Speaker 1: I shot okay from three. I think I shot like
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent from three and high volume. It was
Speaker 1: like seven attempts per game. Everything was great. Here's the issue.
Speaker 1: The team was freaking terrible. I think we only won
Speaker 1: five games. And Juco in general is very unorganized basketball.
Speaker 1: It's everyone's got an agenda. The teams are not super
Speaker 1: well coached. Typically, it's a different type of basketball. Right.
Speaker 1: So then from there I transferred to a different junior
Speaker 1: college in Utah, Okay. This one was a completely different season.
Speaker 1: I averaged about I think eleven points per game. I
Speaker 1: was third in my conference and rebounding, and I made
Speaker 1: an all conference team. But literally I made an all
Speaker 1: conference team despite my numbers going down. Why is that
Speaker 1: because we won more. We won fourteen games that season,
Speaker 1: and I've had big scoring games in games that we won,
Speaker 1: and that was and the coaches are who voted for
Speaker 1: the all conference teams. So that's what got People saw
Speaker 1: me as a winning player that year in a way.
Speaker 1: They It didn't the first season, You guys kind of
Speaker 1: get the theme here, right. My third season, I transferred
Speaker 1: Arizona Christian University. They had just gone on a national
Speaker 1: type a run in the national Tournament, made it to
Speaker 1: the second round. They were um. The player at my
Speaker 1: position at small forward was an All Conference player the
Speaker 1: previous year, and I took his spot and moved him
Speaker 1: to the bench. That's how deep we were with talent.
Speaker 1: I had to all American guards. My role completely changed.
Speaker 1: My coach literally sat me down in the office and
Speaker 1: was like, we do not need you to shoot. I
Speaker 1: just need you to guard the other team's best player
Speaker 1: every single night and just be in the right spots,
Speaker 1: run the plays correctly, and that'll be fine. And my
Speaker 1: numbers tanked. I averaged like five points per game. The
Speaker 1: I really really struggled to shoot. At one point in
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. This is crazy. I missed
Speaker 1: twenty two consecutive three point shots over the course of
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. It was. It was bad. The
Speaker 1: roll shift, going from being All Conference guy who had
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands a lot too basically playing
Speaker 1: Trevor Aresa in the corner. That shift completely screwed with
Speaker 1: my head, and it's screwed with my rhythm. Most of
Speaker 1: my shots were either off the dribble or off of
Speaker 1: jab step like face up stuff. In previous seasons. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was only catching shoot reps, and
Speaker 1: I just, I just I really struggled with that. Over
Speaker 1: the course of the season, I got better in conference play.
Speaker 1: I shot over thirty from three, but like, it wasn't great,
Speaker 1: I just it. That whole sequence really really exposed to
Speaker 1: me how I needed to improve in other areas of
Speaker 1: the game. That same season, I learned how to be
Speaker 1: a better defensive player. I was not a good defensive
Speaker 1: player in my two years in junior college. I was
Speaker 1: a great defensive player at Arizona Christian University. I learned
Speaker 1: the importance of of buying into the team concept and
Speaker 1: practicing hard every day, because you know, if you don't
Speaker 1: practice hard, you're gonna lose your spot. I learned how
Speaker 1: to UH run high and uh like a highly complicated
Speaker 1: defensive schemes. I used Synergy to watch a ton of
Speaker 1: film and to learn how to appropriately uh like like
Speaker 1: I would I would. I would literally watch hours of
Speaker 1: film on the other team's best player before the game
Speaker 1: to learn which way they like to drive, what they
Speaker 1: would do when they would drive that way. And I
Speaker 1: became in a lot of ways a professional with the
Speaker 1: way I approached the game that year, because I had
Speaker 1: to scratch and claw for my role on the team,
Speaker 1: as opposed to being in JUCO, where it was like,
Speaker 1: here's the keys to the offense, do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: you want. It's entirely different, and that that's why I
Speaker 1: think it's important to express those things too. To you guys,
Speaker 1: is like when you see stats, when you see numbers,
Speaker 1: when you see things like that, they're always different. I
Speaker 1: was actually a better shooter that third season than I
Speaker 1: was the first season, when I shot thirty seven percent
Speaker 1: on seven attempts or whatever. The difference was is I
Speaker 1: was playing on a bad basketball team in loosely organized
Speaker 1: junior college basketball versus real n ai A basketball that's
Speaker 1: extremely well coached and everyone's in the right spots, defenses
Speaker 1: are always in help, the slashing opportunities aren't there that
Speaker 1: you're used to. It was just a completely different ball game.
Speaker 1: And I grew a lot of ways as a basketball
Speaker 1: player that year. And we want to ship ton of games.
Speaker 1: We want thirteen games in a row. To start the season,
Speaker 1: we beat a Division one team on their home floor
Speaker 1: even though we were in A I A. We at
Speaker 1: one point reached top five ranking in the n A
Speaker 1: I A and we made it to the national tournaments.
Speaker 1: It was a monstrously successful season that I played a
Speaker 1: defensive role and I shot like ship like that's that's
Speaker 1: literally all it was. But some kid who the hell
Speaker 1: knows who? Who, Who's who the hell knows who it was,
Speaker 1: took a screenshot of just my shooting percentages from that year,
Speaker 1: which we're awful, and put them out there and everyone
Speaker 1: was running off with them. And I don't care. You
Speaker 1: can take your victory laps. I've never stood on who
Speaker 1: I was as a college basketball player. That's not who
Speaker 1: I am. I'm Jason Timp the basketball analysts, and I
Speaker 1: love the game, and I hope that you guys picked
Speaker 1: that up from me, But I I have never cared
Speaker 1: about that. I just thought it was a cool opportunity
Speaker 1: for me to explain to you guys the way that
Speaker 1: role can change a players performance and confidence, and then
Speaker 1: also the way that winning basketball it's harder to produce
Speaker 1: statistically in a winning situation than a is in a
Speaker 1: losing situation, which is something that we should keep in
Speaker 1: mind when we're evaluating NBA players and things along those lines.
Speaker 1: As Draymond says, stand on that, I will stand on
Speaker 1: whatever the hell people think of my college resume. It
Speaker 1: is what it is. I'm standing on it. I hope
Speaker 1: that lesson um uh can help you guys kind of
Speaker 1: get a better idea of what that kind of experience
Speaker 1: is like. All right, that is all I have for today.
Speaker 1: I sincerely appreciate your guys support as always. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I will be taking all of my equipment with me
Speaker 1: when I go on vacation, and who knows, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have something in the next couple of days. Follow me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Underscore Jason LT so you guys can
Speaker 1: see show announcements and things along those lines. Now, see
Speaker 1: you guys in a couple of days. The volume