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Speaker 1: over the years. This year things trended back in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. I tend to think that has a lot

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Speaker 1: more to do with the talent that's in the league.

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Speaker 1: The the TV product of the NBA right now is excellent.

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Speaker 1: It has some room for important improvement, but it's excellent.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why fans are driving back towards

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Speaker 1: the NBA. But make no mistake, there's I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that the Golden State Warriors fan base

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Speaker 1: is so healthy. The Colin told you guys himself. The

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Speaker 1: average NBA team makes about two hundred million dollars a

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Speaker 1: year in revenue. The Warriors make like seven hundred million.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is. It's not just because

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Speaker 1: rich people are Warriors fans. It's because they have so

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Speaker 1: many of them, and and and a big part of

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Speaker 1: that is from the beginning of this era, when Steph

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Speaker 1: was drafted, through Clay's drafting, through Draymond's drafting, through them

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Speaker 1: going on that interesting playoff run in two thousand thirteen

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Speaker 1: to almost beat the Spurs, to them losing in seven

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Speaker 1: games to the Clippers in two thousand fourteen, to the

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Speaker 1: the title in two thousand fifteen, two and Steph winning

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Speaker 1: an m v P to the near miss, the low

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Speaker 1: of two thousand sixteen, having this amazing season that ends

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Speaker 1: and you losing two, then you signing Kevin Durrant winning

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Speaker 1: two in a row to you know, Kevin during and

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Speaker 1: Klay Thompson getting injured, and you losing in the finals,

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Speaker 1: to the disaster that was the season, and you missed

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, to the season and you missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: You guys, get the point here. There's all of these

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Speaker 1: highs and lows, and then it culminates and then winning

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Speaker 1: a title in two with Steph Clay and Draymond and

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Speaker 1: Steve Kerr and Bob Myers and Joe Lacap that's the

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Speaker 1: same core that was there in two thousand fifteen. You

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Speaker 1: know and and before that just Steve Kerr right, so

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Speaker 1: it was different. So the point is is like the

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Speaker 1: fan base is freakishly loyal in ravenous and loud and

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Speaker 1: easy to monetize because of the loyalty that was bred

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Speaker 1: from the franch over the course of that decade with

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Speaker 1: the franchise. So there, the reality is is Brooklyn could

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Speaker 1: not get people to buy tickets. Brooklyn's TV ratings were

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Speaker 1: some of the worst in the league locally. So what

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Speaker 1: that tells us despite having Kyrie Irving is one of

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Speaker 1: the most fun players to watch an NBA history, and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durand is arguably a top ten player of all time.

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Speaker 1: So the point there is the lesson to learn there

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Speaker 1: is that the health of the league directly leads to money,

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Speaker 1: and the health of the league is largely tied to ravenous,

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Speaker 1: loyal local fan bases. You're gonna see this with Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: over the years of the honest days, they will become

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Speaker 1: a very monetize herble fan base because they will have

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Speaker 1: this long, extended stretch of continuity with a core group

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Speaker 1: of players that the fans are irrevocably attached to. That's

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Speaker 1: always going to be an important part of this. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: there's as soon as you if the league does things

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Speaker 1: and negotiates for things to try to force players to stay,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily forced, but heavily incentivized players to stay, they

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Speaker 1: do dramatically shift the morality, right, because if players are

485
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Speaker 1: incentivized to stay, but then teams can still trade them

486
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Speaker 1: all day long, it's not necessarily fair. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, it's just the reality of the

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Speaker 1: way that the system works, and they don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the players necessarily see the pain of the finances

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Speaker 1: in the immediate future because of the TV contract, right,

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Speaker 1: But like what if I told you, like what if

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Speaker 1: you were able to tell the fans like, hey, by

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Speaker 1: virtue of doing this, if you are forced or heavily

494
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Speaker 1: incentivized to stay with the team that drafted you, our

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Speaker 1: next TV deal will be x dollars bigger, you know,

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Speaker 1: or maybe not that one but the one after. Because

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Speaker 1: it takes sometimes, like with the Warriors, it takes a

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Speaker 1: half decade a decade to breed that fan base. But

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Speaker 1: at at a certain point, the league needs to understand,

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Speaker 1: the players need to understand that there's a trade off there,

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Speaker 1: and they need to decide how much they want to

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Speaker 1: fight for. Because if you make the league into a

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Speaker 1: mercenary league where teams are constantly in flux and players

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Speaker 1: are constantly teaming up with different guys every couple of

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Speaker 1: years and moving all over the country, you will only

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Speaker 1: breed fans that are fans of the league, and that

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Speaker 1: typically is going to be a more intense basketball fan.

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Speaker 1: You will lose visual fans that are in these local areas.

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Speaker 1: Like if if the Phoenix Suns had some variation of

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Speaker 1: Devin Booker, Mikhail Bridges and DeAndre Ayton for the next decade,

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Speaker 1: then Phoenix would become a ravenous fan base. But if

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Speaker 1: after this year they flipped the whole thing over and

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Speaker 1: it's Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and no one else,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be very different, you know. And that's just

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Speaker 1: one example. But again, you have to decide do you

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Speaker 1: want a mercenaries league where you make less money in

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Speaker 1: the long run, or do you want a league that

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Speaker 1: has a more traditional structure that breeds strong local fan

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Speaker 1: bases and you guys all make more money in the

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Speaker 1: long run. And it's a tough decision, And I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the answer there is and only the players

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Speaker 1: knowing it's up to them to figure out. They got

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Speaker 1: to decide what they think is worth fighting for. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to Stephan Lebron. So Bobby marks Um

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Speaker 1: said that he would have step second behind MJ all time. Now,

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Speaker 1: you guys have heard me talk about this stuff before.

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Speaker 1: I don't really I'm not changing your minds like that.

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Speaker 1: That's the reality of the situation. Like you Warriors fans

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Speaker 1: out there, and I know a lot of you listen

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Speaker 1: to the show, like Steph's your guy, man, I just

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Speaker 1: broke that down for you. For a decade, for better

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Speaker 1: or worse, He's been your guy and he's come through

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Speaker 1: for you so many times. So like, I understand your

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Speaker 1: loyalty to him, and I totally get it. It's literally

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Speaker 1: the same way that I feel about Lebron. I grew

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Speaker 1: up watching him. He came through as a as I

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Speaker 1: was a fan of his. He came through so many

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Speaker 1: times that, like, I just have this faith in what

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Speaker 1: he can do on the basketball court. So it's difficult

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Speaker 1: for people to convince me that Kevin Durant or Steph

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Speaker 1: is better than him. So I get that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to convince you, guys, I'm just gonna give

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Speaker 1: you my impression of the situation. Now, Steph, I we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do an in depth player ranking as we get

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Speaker 1: into the further end of the summer, as we get

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Speaker 1: kind of out of some of this free agency stuff

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Speaker 1: and out of this trade stuff, and actually in the

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Speaker 1: real dog days of NBA summer, which is like August,

549
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Speaker 1: we're gonna spend a lot of time on list, so

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Speaker 1: I will get deeper into this. But I think step

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Speaker 1: is probably the fifth or sixth best player of all time.

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Speaker 1: Uh And and you guys, remember I rank mind different.

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Speaker 1: I keep a list of bigs, and then I keep

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Speaker 1: a list of perimeter players. But in that list of

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Speaker 1: perimeter players, I I have Lebron, I have m J.

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Speaker 1: I've got Magic Johnson, I've got Kobe, And then it's

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Speaker 1: like Stephen Larry Bird are kind of competing for that

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Speaker 1: fifth spot there. Steph is my second favorite player of

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Speaker 1: this era. I have the utmost respect for Steph. But

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Speaker 1: make no mistake, guys, there's a reason why Lebron is

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Speaker 1: in the conversation with m J. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: ahead of MJ. But there's a reason why he's in

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Speaker 1: that conversation. His resume is completely insane. I I need

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Speaker 1: to read this to you guys, just you can get

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Speaker 1: a feel for what I'm talking about. So obviously, Steph

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Speaker 1: has matched Lebron in titles. Lebron has four titles, Steph

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Speaker 1: has four title. That's where the comparisons end. Conference titles,

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Speaker 1: Lebron has ten, Steph has six m vps, Lebron has four.

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Speaker 1: Steph has two finals MVPs Lebron has four. Steph has

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Speaker 1: won two if you count two thousand fifteen, which I count,

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Speaker 1: so four to two All Star appearances. Lebron eighteen, Steph eight,

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Speaker 1: First Team All NBA. This is wild. Lebron thirteen times

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Speaker 1: media members thought he was a top five player in

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Speaker 1: the NBA Steph four. All Defense selections, Lebron six, Steph zero.

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Speaker 1: Lebron has seventeen thousand more points than Steph, six thousand

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Speaker 1: more rebounds in five thousand more assists. That's basically one

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Speaker 1: Janice career. So if Steph went to have Janice's career

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Speaker 1: from right now, Janice's total career to this point, he

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Speaker 1: would just get to where Lebron is, and he'd still

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Speaker 1: be about three thousand points behind. Like, that's how ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Lebron's resume is. That's why he's in the conversation with

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Speaker 1: m J. Again, I wouldn't put him ahead, but that's

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Speaker 1: why he's there. And so like, I'm not gonna convince you, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, like, you know, when the Lebron

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Speaker 1: fan says he's ahead of MJ, and how ridiculous it sounds,

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00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: because MJ wants six titles and eight tries with Scottie

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00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: Pippen as his best teammate. When he was miles better

588
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Speaker 1: than anybody else in the league. It was blasphemy to

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Speaker 1: even mention another person's name in his breath. That's how

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Speaker 1: good MJ was. That's how ridiculous Lebron fans sound when

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Speaker 1: they say Lebron was ahead of MJ. That's how ridiculous

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Speaker 1: step fans sound when they say steps ahead of Lebron,

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Speaker 1: and that that's all I'm saying, Like it's okay for

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Speaker 1: Steph to be the sixth best peruder player of all time.

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00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. The dude played what three years of college basketball.

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00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: The dude had horrible ankle injuries that disrupted the beginning

597
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Speaker 1: of his career. He's the only guy on the list

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Speaker 1: who's as small as he is. It's ridiculous. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous that he's had the career that he's had

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Speaker 1: with what he's been given. He has massively outperformed anything

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Speaker 1: you could have ever hoped or expected from him. And

602
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: he still is playing basketball. But let's not get crazy.

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00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: That's all we're saying in here. And then even if

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Speaker 1: we look at the absolute peak, So I think Steph's

605
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: absolute peak was this season. I thought he was an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable defensive player this season, and in terms of you

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Speaker 1: actually factor in the way defenses guard him compared to

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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen and two thousand fifteen when they still

609
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Speaker 1: didn't really know how, and for him to be as

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Speaker 1: efficient as he was, to have that playoff run that

611
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: he just had with Andrew freaking Wiggins as his best player.

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00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: I was arguing with some people up in uh up

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Speaker 1: in Vegas, um about Steff, you know, and I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: I became the staff defender I was. I was arguing

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Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine and he's like, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure Steff has ever really carried I'm like dude,

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: he just wanted title with Andrew Wiggins as his best teammate. Like,

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00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: how is not carrying? You know what I mean? But

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Speaker 1: that's that, That, to me is what encapsulates Steph's absolute

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Speaker 1: peak season. This two season was the best version of

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Speaker 1: Staff that I saw in terms of control of the game,

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Speaker 1: scoring efficiently in the playoffs, defending, being the chess master,

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Speaker 1: deciphering defenses. Everything that he did to drag that team

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Speaker 1: to the trophy, to me was the peak of Steph.

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Speaker 1: That said, I think Lebron had four seasons that were better.

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Speaker 1: I think in two thousand thirteen when he was the

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Speaker 1: best defensive player in basketball and uh like uh ridiculously efficient.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think his true shooting percentages was in

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Speaker 1: the sixties and he was averaging thirty points in two

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Speaker 1: thousand thirteen to get the sixty six wins and to

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Speaker 1: win the title the way he did that year two

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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, every bit as impactful defensively as he was intoirteen,

633
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Speaker 1: but a better offensive player than he was two thousand eighteen.

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Speaker 1: The best peak offensive version of Lebron. Not a very good,

635
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: not a great defensive player that season, but the peak

636
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Speaker 1: offensive version of Lebron. That was the best offensive player

637
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Speaker 1: I ever saw, and then arguably is his best season

638
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Speaker 1: because he was an all defense level defender. He didn't

639
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Speaker 1: get voted that year, but he was an all defense

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Speaker 1: level defender and he was unbelievable in the playoff runs,

641
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: shot in the in the finals, averaging thirty to win

642
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: finals MVP, and never he was even threatened on his

643
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: way to the title like Lebron. I I'm a huge

644
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: step fan, guys. You guys know that, and again I

645
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: understand I'm not going to change your mind, but to me,

646
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: this is not close. Like Steph is fighting with Larry

647
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: Bird for fifth, he's not fighting with Lebron for second.

648
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: That's just we're jumping the gun there. I read out

649
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: the numbers for you. It's just it's just it's just

650
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: too much. One last thing before we get out of here. So, UM,

651
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: this one. I don't respond to trolls on Twitter almost ever, um,

652
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: just because there's hundreds of them. They're awful people. What's

653
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the point. But I had one that went kind of

654
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: viral the other day on on Monday. UM, not viral,

655
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: but kind of made some rounds on Twitter that was

656
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: kind of false about me. And so I quote tweeted it,

657
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: and it basically what it was was, Uh, somebody took

658
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: the stats from my worst college season and put them

659
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: out and uh, and people were having their taking their

660
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: shots and taking their victory lapse. You know how that goes.

661
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: Um But I actually thought it was a really interesting

662
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: chance to teach a valuable basketball lesson and it turned

663
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: it turned into a bigger thing because after I tweeted

664
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Speaker 1: out my actual basketball resume, Kevin Durant responded underneath it, uh,

665
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: kind of having my back, but in like his own way,

666
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: kind of making fun of people for giving him crap

667
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: for defending himself to trolls, which is a whole other thing.

668
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: And I get it. I've never had an issue with

669
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Katie complaining or batting back at strolls. The way I

670
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: look at it is Katie is is completely authentic. Katie

671
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: is always going to be exactly what he wants to be.

672
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: He doesn't care what you want him to be. He's

673
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna just put real Kevin out there in the public

674
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: for the whole world to see. And I've always admired

675
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: that about him. And he's the kind of guy that

676
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: gets irritated with trolls, and so he talks to trolls often,

677
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: but I did it this one time, and he took

678
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: that as an opportunity to kind of piggyback off that.

679
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about the basketball for a

680
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: second because this is a very very valuable basketball lesson.

681
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: So a couple of things this and for those of

682
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: you haven't heard, I'm going to kind of go through

683
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: my college basketball resume here a little bit. So, Uh,

684
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: in college, I was just an athlete. I I was

685
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: six six with six ten wakespan. I could jump out

686
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: of the gym. I could shoot a little bit, but

687
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't dribble, and I certainly didn't know the game

688
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: very well. I was a very late bloomer. My parents

689
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: raised me on football and baseball, so I didn't even

690
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: really pick up a basketball until I was about fifteen

691
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: years old. Even then, I just shot around on a

692
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: hoop in my backyard. I got cut from JV as

693
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: a sophomore. I made j V as a junior, but

694
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: I didn't play, And I made varsity as a senior,

695
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't play. So like I I just was.

696
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't a high school player. Then I went two

697
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: years of college where I just was playing pick up

698
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: all the time. And I got to the point where

699
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: I was functional enough. I walked into an open gym

700
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: at a junior college, destroyed everybody, but again it was

701
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: a local junior college. They offered me a scholarship. That

702
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: third year of college is when I started playing college ball.

703
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: But I was super super raw, like I had like

704
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: a forty inch vertical six ten wingspan tall. But I

705
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know the game. I didn't know how to play.

706
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: I could shoot when I was I was streaky, I

707
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: could shoot when I was hot. That was it. But like,

708
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: what's interesting is my career, My college career follows a

709
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: descending pattern statistically. But what's funny is the last season,

710
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: my worst statistical season was actually my best. There was

711
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: when I was my best version of myself as a player.

712
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: I say all this to say this, guys, I I

713
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: did play in college, but that has nothing to do

714
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: with this, like what we're doing here. I have never

715
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: ever tried to be like, listen to me, I played

716
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: in college, Like no, that doesn't matter. Why why would

717
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: you go listen to J. J. Reddick? Then he played

718
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: in the NBA? What this is? What we're doing here

719
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: is I love the game of basketball so much that

720
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: I pour my heart and soul into it every day.

721
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: And this is what allows me to do this, To

722
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: watch as much film as I do, to care about

723
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: it as much as I do, and to try to

724
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: express that to you guys. Uh. Does the fact that

725
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: I play in college? Does it help? Sure? Yeah, it

726
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: helps with some perspective on certain things. But there are

727
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there. I met Kevin O'Connor

728
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: in Vegas as someone I've been meeting wanting to meet

729
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: for a long time. Kevin O'Connor didn't play college basketball.

730
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: That dude is an incredible NBA writer and podcaster. He's

731
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: super smart and he knows his stuff. He doesn't need

732
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: to have played in college to be able to tell

733
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: you that. So when I talk about these kinds of things,

734
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: they're just to kind of offer experience and knowledge. It's

735
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: never to be like, look at me, I'm better than you, guys.

736
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: I played in college. I don't care. No one's paying

737
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: me a penny to play basketball now it's pointless. But

738
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: my college basketball journey is an interesting lesson in the

739
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: way that situation can impact a basketball player. My first

740
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: season in college. That when I just told you guys

741
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: about I average sixteen points in ten bounce per game.

742
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: I had a career high thirty one in that season.

743
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: I shot okay from three. I think I shot like

744
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent from three and high volume. It was

745
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: like seven attempts per game. Everything was great. Here's the issue.

746
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: The team was freaking terrible. I think we only won

747
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: five games. And Juco in general is very unorganized basketball.

748
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: It's everyone's got an agenda. The teams are not super

749
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: well coached. Typically, it's a different type of basketball. Right.

750
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: So then from there I transferred to a different junior

751
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: college in Utah, Okay. This one was a completely different season.

752
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: I averaged about I think eleven points per game. I

753
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: was third in my conference and rebounding, and I made

754
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: an all conference team. But literally I made an all

755
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: conference team despite my numbers going down. Why is that

756
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: because we won more. We won fourteen games that season,

757
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: and I've had big scoring games in games that we won,

758
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: and that was and the coaches are who voted for

759
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: the all conference teams. So that's what got People saw

760
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: me as a winning player that year in a way.

761
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: They It didn't the first season, You guys kind of

762
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: get the theme here, right. My third season, I transferred

763
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: Arizona Christian University. They had just gone on a national

764
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: type a run in the national Tournament, made it to

765
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: the second round. They were um. The player at my

766
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: position at small forward was an All Conference player the

767
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: previous year, and I took his spot and moved him

768
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: to the bench. That's how deep we were with talent.

769
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: I had to all American guards. My role completely changed.

770
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: My coach literally sat me down in the office and

771
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: was like, we do not need you to shoot. I

772
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: just need you to guard the other team's best player

773
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: every single night and just be in the right spots,

774
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: run the plays correctly, and that'll be fine. And my

775
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: numbers tanked. I averaged like five points per game. The

776
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I really really struggled to shoot. At one point in

777
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. This is crazy. I missed

778
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: twenty two consecutive three point shots over the course of

779
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. It was. It was bad. The

780
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: roll shift, going from being All Conference guy who had

781
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands a lot too basically playing

782
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Trevor Aresa in the corner. That shift completely screwed with

783
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: my head, and it's screwed with my rhythm. Most of

784
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: my shots were either off the dribble or off of

785
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: jab step like face up stuff. In previous seasons. All

786
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was only catching shoot reps, and

787
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: I just, I just I really struggled with that. Over

788
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: the course of the season, I got better in conference play.

789
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: I shot over thirty from three, but like, it wasn't great,

790
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: I just it. That whole sequence really really exposed to

791
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: me how I needed to improve in other areas of

792
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: the game. That same season, I learned how to be

793
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: a better defensive player. I was not a good defensive

794
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: player in my two years in junior college. I was

795
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: a great defensive player at Arizona Christian University. I learned

796
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: the importance of of buying into the team concept and

797
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: practicing hard every day, because you know, if you don't

798
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: practice hard, you're gonna lose your spot. I learned how

799
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: to UH run high and uh like a highly complicated

800
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: defensive schemes. I used Synergy to watch a ton of

801
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: film and to learn how to appropriately uh like like

802
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: I would I would. I would literally watch hours of

803
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: film on the other team's best player before the game

804
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: to learn which way they like to drive, what they

805
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: would do when they would drive that way. And I

806
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: became in a lot of ways a professional with the

807
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: way I approached the game that year, because I had

808
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: to scratch and claw for my role on the team,

809
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: as opposed to being in JUCO, where it was like,

810
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: here's the keys to the offense, do whatever the hell

811
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: you want. It's entirely different, and that that's why I

812
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: think it's important to express those things too. To you guys,

813
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: is like when you see stats, when you see numbers,

814
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: when you see things like that, they're always different. I

815
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: was actually a better shooter that third season than I

816
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: was the first season, when I shot thirty seven percent

817
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: on seven attempts or whatever. The difference was is I

818
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: was playing on a bad basketball team in loosely organized

819
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: junior college basketball versus real n ai A basketball that's

820
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: extremely well coached and everyone's in the right spots, defenses

821
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: are always in help, the slashing opportunities aren't there that

822
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: you're used to. It was just a completely different ball game.

823
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: And I grew a lot of ways as a basketball

824
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: player that year. And we want to ship ton of games.

825
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: We want thirteen games in a row. To start the season,

826
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: we beat a Division one team on their home floor

827
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: even though we were in A I A. We at

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Speaker 1: one point reached top five ranking in the n A

829
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Speaker 1: I A and we made it to the national tournaments.

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00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: It was a monstrously successful season that I played a

831
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Speaker 1: defensive role and I shot like ship like that's that's

832
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: literally all it was. But some kid who the hell

833
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: knows who? Who, Who's who the hell knows who it was,

834
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: took a screenshot of just my shooting percentages from that year,

835
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: which we're awful, and put them out there and everyone

836
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: was running off with them. And I don't care. You

837
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: can take your victory laps. I've never stood on who

838
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I was as a college basketball player. That's not who

839
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: I am. I'm Jason Timp the basketball analysts, and I

840
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: love the game, and I hope that you guys picked

841
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: that up from me, But I I have never cared

842
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: about that. I just thought it was a cool opportunity

843
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: for me to explain to you guys the way that

844
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: role can change a players performance and confidence, and then

845
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: also the way that winning basketball it's harder to produce

846
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: statistically in a winning situation than a is in a

847
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: losing situation, which is something that we should keep in

848
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: mind when we're evaluating NBA players and things along those lines.

849
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: As Draymond says, stand on that, I will stand on

850
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: whatever the hell people think of my college resume. It

851
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: is what it is. I'm standing on it. I hope

852
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: that lesson um uh can help you guys kind of

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Speaker 1: get a better idea of what that kind of experience

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Speaker 1: is like. All right, that is all I have for today.

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Speaker 1: I sincerely appreciate your guys support as always. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I will be taking all of my equipment with me

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Speaker 1: have something in the next couple of days. Follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Underscore Jason LT so you guys can

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Speaker 1: see show announcements and things along those lines. Now, see

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Speaker 1: you guys in a couple of days. The volume