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Speaker 1: changes my whole off season. But it's been a great challenge.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, we'll see. Preparation for the new rules

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Speaker 1: but obviously something has to to you know, you have

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Speaker 1: to pull back on something and and you know, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's the nature of how I allocate our time,

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Speaker 1: and not only in meetings but practice time.

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Speaker 2: In terms of coverage, I know you were pretty high

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Speaker 2: on some of the young dvs that were brought in

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Speaker 2: last year, from Antonio to Christian. What have you seen

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Speaker 2: from that group of second year guys as well as

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Speaker 2: this next group with Trey and Jarry and the guys

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Speaker 2: who could contribute.

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Speaker 1: Antonio is a fantastic player. We we loved him when

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Speaker 1: we got him here. Uh. He was a really good

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Speaker 1: gunner and four phase guys for us last year. If

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Speaker 1: he's not playing defense, we'll see how that plays out. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a four phase guy. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: have him play for US. I think he's probably too

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Speaker 1: good a player. I'm I'm concerned I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: see him much this year because I know how good

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Speaker 1: he is. Uh, So we'll see how that plays out.

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Speaker 1: Christian Browsel has had a really good spring. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously we didn't see a ton of because of the injuries

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Speaker 1: last year. But I thought he's had one of the

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Speaker 1: more impressive uh, you know, off seasons. Uh. And so

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Speaker 1: I really like what he's doing. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: see what it looks like come training camp, you know,

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Speaker 1: real life reps, full speed reps, full contact. Uh. But again,

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Speaker 1: he's he's done fantastic. And then some of the young guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jerry and Jones has been really good. That's

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Speaker 1: been a great addition. He was a guy that we targeted, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously not only on defense, but for us.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was a really good gunner and he's

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Speaker 1: been really really good. So that's those guys have been.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I like where our group's at with

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Speaker 1: those young dbs, especially with the gunner position.

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Speaker 2: Why was it so important to bring DT back?

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Speaker 1: He loved dt dt. Uh. He not only is a

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Speaker 1: great player, makes really good plays for us. His energy

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Speaker 1: in the room, he's a team guy. The guys love him.

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Speaker 1: It's infectious. You need that, you need those glue guys

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Speaker 1: of just every single day he brings a smile to

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Speaker 1: the room, to the meetings, to the field. He encourages guys.

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Speaker 1: He's just a leader in his own way. So to

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Speaker 1: bring DT back, it's, you know, he's a He's a

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Speaker 1: great player, but even a better guy. So I love

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Speaker 1: having him around