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Speaker 1: in advance. Yeah, that's nice, Chuck. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: to it. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm an MC of sorts. Not the cool kind, the

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Speaker 1: boring kind with me is always is em C Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, he's the same kind of MC that I am.

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Speaker 1: Suck EM No, no, not even We're not even suck mcs.

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Speaker 1: We're too square for that even maybe sucker mcs, but

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Speaker 1: certainly not with an A. I'm a sucker, right MC, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well i'll bet it is now number two the square shape.

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Speaker 1: a sucker. Yeah, that's it. Yep, you've pretty we've reached

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Speaker 1: shirts of it. One of these though, we're gonna hit

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Speaker 1: never will be rich old men podcasting still if only uh, hey, Chuck, Hey,

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Speaker 1: are you doing well? Yeah? You know, I think, um,

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Speaker 1: I remember that you actually have done this before what

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Speaker 1: what I was getting at. Um. Hey, so I read

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Speaker 1: this article in Slate. It's called America's Ancient Cave Art.

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Speaker 1: And back in the late seventies, there were a couple

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Speaker 1: of something else. And one of them luckily realized that

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Speaker 1: these are all images associated with what's called the Southeastern

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Speaker 1: Ceremonial Complex, or more coolly named the Southern Death Cult,

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Speaker 1: which sprung up around the southeastern United States inexplicably about

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Speaker 1: And that cool. That's awesome. So I bring that up

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Speaker 1: Uh one in Southern Death Cult. The original name of

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Speaker 1: set that up for the rest of the show. With

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Speaker 1: For you guys have a spat. We don't talk anymore.

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Speaker 1: biospil speleology, which we'll touch on it again said I'm

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Speaker 1: guys wouldn't like that. Yeah, there's a good picture of

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Um. They are basically bacteria that live

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Speaker 1: on to the social media's like. Yeah. Once, I was

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Speaker 1: and ended up with this list of like great horror

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Speaker 1: don't just go and cave and like, yeah, that was cool,

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00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Like they're all into the meetings and the preservation. A

420
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: lot of them do the volunteer for church and rescue

421
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, Like they really get into it. Yeah,

422
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: it's not a casual affair, no, And I that that

423
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: that idea actually extends to um urban spelunking or urban exploration.

424
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: Um yeah, where you um you enter something like a

425
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: sewer system or an abandoned building or something like that.

426
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: But you're One of the big rules is like you

427
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: can't break an inner. You can enter somebody else has

428
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: already like cut a hole in the chain link fence.

429
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: You go through that hole. You can't cut that hole yourself,

430
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: and you don't take anything. You you preserve the places

431
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: exactly the way it was. And we actually have I think,

432
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: what's a new article on the site that's awesome ten

433
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: top ten cities for urban exploration. It's like got all

434
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: these attractions of like where to go in this city

435
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: and like cool, well Francis the catacombs, I know, we're

436
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: really popular. Um and I did a little bit of

437
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: that in Florida in um Fort Pickens in Pensacola, Oh,

438
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: the Fort Pickens Catacombs. Well, the Fort Pickens battery. It

439
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: was like you know civil war battery. Yeah, and um,

440
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: I think it's all blocked off now. But at the time,

441
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: like the metal bars were bent enough where you could

442
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: get through, and me and my brother and my brother

443
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: in law like may torches and like went all through

444
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: the stuff, you know, stuff written on the walls, like

445
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: from the Civil War, and then stuff written on the

446
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: walls clearly more modern, uh in nature, but just graffitian

447
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: stuff and beer cans. But it was just neat walking around.

448
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: It's cool. Um, what else, Chuck, how do you get started? Yeah?

449
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: I guess if this podcast tickles your fancy, then you

450
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: may want to know how to get into this. Yeah.

451
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: A lot of people might be into the very easy

452
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: guided you walk in and you walk around type of experience. Right,

453
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: take the kids. There's nothing wrong with it. You can

454
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: still learn a lot, you know, it's not a cop

455
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: out like Carl's Bad caverns and like the real touristy ones.

456
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: They're great. Yeah. Have you ever been there? I haven't

457
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: been there. I've been to Ruby Falls. You mean I

458
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: went Ruby Falls? Is nice? It was, yeah, and there

459
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: were plenty of people running around. Was very well lit yeah,

460
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: um safe yeah, and then but it was so awesome

461
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: getting to the falls. Yeah, yeah, I mean like it

462
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: was great. It was total. I think part of the

463
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: reason I appreciated it so much because I took it

464
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: for what it was. It was like this, this is tourism,

465
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, but it's also very cool. Yeah. I mean

466
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: you're walking underneath a fault line in the earth. Yeah,

467
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: it's really kind of You can sell t shirts afterward,

468
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: but it's still very cool to be in there. Um,

469
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: So you can do that. You can go to these

470
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: like really big touristy ones and still get a nice variance,

471
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: or you can get a guided tour for you know,

472
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: a little more um intense experience. Have you been in

473
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Carlsbake camera? Yeah, okay, Yeah, it's nice's lovely. It's like

474
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: red carpet everywhere. Yes, couches everything. Um. But they do

475
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: mention in this article that kids are great to take

476
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: into caves. They love that kind of stuff. Obviously you

477
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: want to keep an eye on them because it's pretty

478
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: easy to get lost in there. Yeah. But at these

479
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: at these big major attractions, they they take care of you.

480
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna let your kids go off

481
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: and live with the salamanders. Yeah, and you've got a

482
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: guide for the guided tour, but even self guided tours

483
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: are it's usually like paved or clearly marked trail, like

484
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna have a lot of trouble getting lost

485
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: if you get off of this trail, um or if

486
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: you stay on the trail. I should say, Yeah, I

487
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: went to a concert in a cave one time. Yeah,

488
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: and Tennessee, they man, what's the name of It's something

489
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: caverns and I can't remember now, but it was the

490
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: Litill Rejuice played their last show ever in this cave

491
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: and they have regular shows. They're like usually it's like

492
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: bluegrass and stuff, but it's awesome, Like you you know,

493
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: you park in this big field and then it's one

494
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: of these where you walk into a huge opening and

495
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: there's big paths, but you know, you walk like probably

496
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: half a mile down in there, and then it opens

497
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: up to this huge open room and there's a stage

498
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: and there's lights and everything. That's cool, really cool. Experienced

499
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: the green rooms like there, I don't know, it's probably brown. Right,

500
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: just sit on that rock. We'll bring you some shrimp. Yeah,

501
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: it was really very cool show. Though I might post

502
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: pictures of that too. Wow, this is gonna be a

503
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: picture of bananda. Um. Then there's cave diving. Yes, probably

504
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: the most dangerous thing my person can do. We can't

505
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: overstate that enough. Like even these caver dudes that I

506
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: was with, their hardcore they were like, those people are crazy. Yeah,

507
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: And if you're a hardcore scuba diver, even a wreck diver,

508
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're a cave diver. No, cave diver

509
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: is its own thing. Yeah, and like it's it's very

510
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: easy to die. In two twelve seven people already died

511
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: in cave diving twelve now, wow, three of them in

512
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: three different days, three consecutive days in Florida, in three

513
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: different incidents. Yeah, in March. Yeah, it's scary. And asked Eric.

514
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I was like, well why you know, what's the big deal?

515
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: And he was like, dude, you're just you gotta be

516
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: crazy to do it. And he's like, you are underground, underwater,

517
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: and it's very easy to get lost and turned around,

518
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: and you've only got so much air. They say that

519
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: to never like to try and exit with half a

520
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: tank of air still or whatever. It was not air,

521
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: what is it? It's compressed, compressed, just like an air mix,

522
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: but it's generally air. Yeah, But they're like, you don't

523
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: want to go below half a tank ever, that's just scary.

524
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: And he took me after we went caving, he took

525
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: me to the entry point for the cave diving nearby,

526
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: and it's this little probably you know, tin foot by

527
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: tin foot whole, you know, a little pool, but it's

528
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: like infinitely deep and it's like wow, so you can

529
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: jump in and just sort of waddle around, or there's

530
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: below that there's the tube where you enter, and it

531
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: just seems like the scariest thing ever, right with a

532
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: tank of air on your back that could be punctured

533
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: by anything, because it's not like there's not stalactites hanging down.

534
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: Utterly frightening to me. Um that said, if you're in

535
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: a cave diving, you go through the certification and you

536
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: like are into that kind of thing. There's some awesome

537
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: cave diving like sinote Is any sinote Um. And there's

538
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: a place in that I missed when we were talking

539
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: about the Abandoned Minds podcast. There's a place called Bond

540
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Terror Mine, Missouri, and it's an old lead mine that

541
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: was in production for like a hundred years and then

542
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: they closed it down in nineteen sixty and they didn't

543
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: remove anything there's like magazines, all this stuff still sitting around,

544
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: and they lotted it with like a billion gallons of

545
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: crystal clear water. Really, and you can go scuba dive.

546
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: You can cave dive this abandoned mine now and see

547
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: there's like an old movie theater down there. There's mind

548
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: cars elevator. Yeah, it's pretty cool. That's awesome. Yeah, but

549
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: it's like the visibility is just limitless. I wonder if

550
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: that's slightly safer. I think it's pretty heavily guided as

551
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: well as tours go, So if you're gonna start somewhere,

552
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: that would probably be a good place. Yeah. I saw

553
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: a couple of dudes come out of the whole um.

554
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Then all the cavers know each other, it seems like

555
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: because they knew these guys and they were like, oh, yeah,

556
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: it's good. You know, these guys are real nice. And

557
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: then they turned around they're like they're nuts, these guys

558
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: are crazy. Um. Oh, so all the cavers know each

559
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: other because they're all members of Grottos, right, Yeah, it

560
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: definitely seems like a close knit community, right, Like they're

561
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: all on each other that have each other's contact info

562
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: because you know, when someone gets lost, they send out,

563
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, like who can and help? Basically, who's free

564
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: tomorrow to come and find these idiots tomorrow they're in

565
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: trouble if it's tomorrow, that's true. But well, a grotto

566
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: is a caving club, right, and there are any legitimate

567
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: caving club is sanctioned by the National Speleological Society, and

568
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: there's about two d caving clubs or grottos in the US.

569
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Nice good people. So if if you're a member of

570
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: a grotto, if you're a caver, what are some of

571
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: the things that you're gonna need. You're already into this,

572
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: You're like, come on, let's go. What are we gonna do? What?

573
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: What do I need to take with me? Well, you

574
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: want to take three forms of light um, and plenty

575
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: of backup batteries and take closed sticks, take the headlamps,

576
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: take lighters, even though those will get wet. Um. You know,

577
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: you can bag him in the dry bag. But take

578
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: as many forms of light as you feel comfortable with.

579
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: That's not less than three, and not only I took

580
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: like four or five flocks. That's smart. Yeah, I just

581
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna be fine, but I

582
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, I'm going into the

583
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: depths of the earth. I want to have lots of

584
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: light at my disposal, right, and you want to also

585
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: have lots of batteries and extra bulbs for those lights,

586
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: just because the light, your light is the number one

587
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: most important thing when you're caving. That's the number one

588
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: most important piece of equipment. Yeah, and my buddy Eric

589
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: had a carbide lamp, which, um, you know, back in

590
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: the day with like even car headlights and lights on

591
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: the fronts of houses. Um, it wasn't always a gas lamp.

592
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was carbide and old school cavers used these things.

593
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: And it's basically a chemical reaction. Um. It burns a

594
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: seedylene gas and it's created from a reaction of calcium

595
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: carbide with water. So he had this, uh, this pod

596
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: that he carried on his belt that had carbide pellets

597
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: in it and it would drip water down and create

598
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: the gas and it fed it up through a tube

599
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: connected to the you know, the the gas lamp that

600
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: he's wearing on his head. And it was really cool.

601
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: The other guy didn't have one, but Eric was used it,

602
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: and um, the light that it gives is just really

603
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: very illuminating. It's not like a you know how incandescent

604
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: light is just so specific, even if it's like a

605
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: broad range, it's not like having a flame. So this

606
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: thing really warn't like warms up the cave. And it

607
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: does actually warm it um slightly, but just generally with

608
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: light warmth. It's just like the cave was illuminated, not

609
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: like a flashlight shining on something very cool and um,

610
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: very durable. Like if you take care of these things,

611
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: they're a little finicky, but if you take care of them,

612
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: you can have them like your whole life. Sounds kind

613
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: of uh no, it's very old school. Yeah, it's old

614
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: angled and you just look cool. Eric looked like a

615
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: cool guy with this tube running out of his head

616
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: and flicking the little lighter switch. And do you look

617
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: cooler than I did with my Yeah, with my glow stick. Um.

618
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: So you need light, you need light. You need a helmet,

619
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: and you want your helmet to be so if I

620
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: by the Union International Day Associations del peace. Yes, Jerry

621
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: just laughed. There. You want to helmet, you want like

622
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: and this is if you if you want to do

623
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: it right like and safely. We we saw morons and

624
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: tank tops and shorts walking around and crawling around and

625
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: you know these guys are just rolling their eyes, are

626
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: like those are the people that get hurt and get lost. Um.

627
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: We had kneepads and elbow pads, helmets, Um. As far

628
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: as safety gear, that was pretty much it, and that

629
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: they have like rope and stuff just in case. Um,

630
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: and you want to dress appropriately avoid cotton. Well, if

631
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: you are wearing cotton, you want to wear under layers

632
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: of synthetics. Yes, snag less easily, they dry more quickly. Yeah. Yeah,

633
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine you just want to avoid cotton altogether

634
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah. I were one of those like synthetic

635
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: wicking shirts, you know, the workout shirts. Um, but you

636
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: do you want to dress in layers because it's cold

637
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, but you know you you may raise

638
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: your heart right here there and you may get a

639
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: little warm. That definitely makes my heart right. Um, you're

640
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna get wet most likely. Um. You can be in

641
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: the dry, dusty cave, but chances are you gonna get wet. Uh.

642
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: There were times where we were up to our chest

643
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: in a crevice about two ft wide, up to our

644
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: chest and water and it's intimidating. It's like I'm far

645
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: away from anybody, and like, what if this water rises?

646
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't, but you know what if it

647
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: started raining. These things can happen pretty fast down there,

648
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: and uh so, I mean we were literally soaked through

649
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: the bone. It's like getting a swimming pool and then

650
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: you get out and you're covered in mud and you're

651
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: supposed to climb things. That's like climbing a creased wall

652
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: of stone. I'm like, am I supposed to really do this?

653
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: And they were like pushing me by by but it

654
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: was sort of embarrassing, like pulling me. It felt like

655
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: a stuck pig at times. The only thing that made

656
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: it better was the warm glow of the carbine lamp.

657
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: And then they had the pancakes, you know where it's like,

658
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, as I'm surprised my body fit in this

659
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: thing and you had to go like thirty feet across

660
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: this pancake. Well it's a it's where there's a top

661
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: rock and a bottom rock, so basically you just there's

662
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: like a foot of space to crawl through and you

663
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: can't even crawl. You're like inching, you know, using your

664
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: shoulder blades. I would have lost my You would not

665
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: have liked this pancake. And that's when I remember thinking, boy,

666
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: Josh would not have liked this part. It was uncomfortable

667
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: for me. And I don't even have issues with like,

668
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, closed in spaces, but you feel like, what

669
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: if the earth shift did it and this thing just

670
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: smashed me. Yeah, of course you're a that and ship

671
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: like that, but I don't know it could. I'm down there,

672
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. Yeah, and you made it, though, I

673
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil it here. You survived. Uh what else?

674
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: You need? Food? Sure? You want enough to last your

675
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: whole trip, and then some just in case, you know,

676
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: like you want gloves, you want a first aid kit. Yeah,

677
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and here's my favorite part. So we were talking about

678
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: how um like you do you just preserve the environment

679
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: exactly as it was found. This also means that you're

680
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: not allowed to poop there. You can poop there, but

681
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna poop into like a plastic container that you

682
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: can carry out with you because you take your urine

683
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: and your feces out of the cave with you. So

684
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: you want a plastic bottle to p intwo and a

685
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: like a good crushed proof container to poop into. I

686
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: did not poop. I wouldn't have pooped. I'd just be like, well,

687
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not pooping today. Yeah, and you know

688
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: I was only down there a few hours. So if

689
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: you can. If you can't hold your poop a few hours,

690
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: you probablyouldn't be caving that day. Man, just put it off,

691
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: you know. Imagine getting sick down there, like vomity, No,

692
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you mean, the other kind o

693
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: like poopies. Yeah, yeah, that would be awful. Um. If

694
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: you have a cave map, which you should have, UM,

695
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: bring a few copies, put them in zip blocks, hand

696
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: them out to your friends that you're with, make sure

697
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: everyone knows what's going on. And you also want to

698
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: probably leave one at home with an X marks the

699
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: spot of your route. And um, well, at least it's

700
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: the cave safety, doesn't it. Yeah. Um, there's a lot

701
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: of precautions you should be taking before you set out. Yeah,

702
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing. Do not take it lightly.

703
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: It's not like a hike, um that you can go on,

704
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: so it's it's definitely different. You should go with someone

705
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: that knows what they're doing. Um. At the very least, uh,

706
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: A couple of people would be even better. They say

707
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: not to go in really large groups because you don't

708
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: want to, like you could leave someone behind easier, Like

709
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: four to six people is a good number, and you

710
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: want to put the slowest person at the front of

711
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the group. That would have been me. So everybody's kind

712
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: of pushing them from behind sometimes literally. Uh. And the

713
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: reason why is because you know that person doesn't get

714
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: left behind. That makes the whole groups together. And if

715
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: you're into um, passive aggressive peer pressure, that's great. That's

716
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: a great situation for everybody. Yeah, you know, no, you're fine.

717
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: That's what they kept saying to I know you're doing great, buddy,

718
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I'm not. I know, I'm

719
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: that guy. Um. You also, never ever want to go

720
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: caving alone. I don't think there's a better sentence that's

721
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: ever been spoken by anybody. Never go caving alone. That's

722
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: a good idea. Um. If you do get lost, they

723
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: say to stay put, and that it's better to stay

724
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: put instead of moving around because at least you're where

725
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: you last were. You are where you last were, well,

726
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: you're where you said you were going to be at

727
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: least roughly. If your light goes out in your alone,

728
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: start screaming at the top of your lungs until someone

729
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: comes and gets you. That's probably not a idea, but

730
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: they say not to freak out. But yeah, I would

731
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: definitely try and make a little noise, although you also

732
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: don't want to attract the descent hail billies. Yeah, they were,

733
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: they were mountain folk. You know. That was a lot

734
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: like a Lovecraft um story. I wasn't I can't remember

735
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: the name of it, but it's, uh, there's a whole

736
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: thing that takes place in the Alleghanies, maybe at Airondacks

737
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: one somewhere up there. Um, whereas this family that was

738
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: like kind of mountain folk came to inbreed and eventually

739
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: moved underground. Was one of his best ones. Man, he was.

740
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: We should do a podcast on him. Okay, what a

741
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: twisted mind. Well we did the Necronomic and remember, yeah,

742
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: but let's just do one in his life what made

743
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: him tick? Let's do it. Um. Oh, well, we're at

744
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: it real quick, dude. I found a real legitimate physics

745
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: paper or written by a legitimate physicist that explains how

746
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: certain of the in uh lovecrafts the Call of Cthulhu

747
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: can be explained away by quantum physics. Really yeah, it's

748
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: specifically a gravitational lensing. Yeah, to explain what cthulhu is

749
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: or know, like what happened to this guy who went

750
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: mad and described this crazy place that he went and

751
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: stumbled upon in the South Pacific um and then came

752
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: back and wrote about it. They were like, well, actually,

753
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what he's talking about is a quantum bubble. Yeah,

754
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome. That's like it's it gets like he

755
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: works out math and formulas for explaining all of this

756
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: and that's but the rest of it is really interesting. Wow. Yeah,

757
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called, but probably look up

758
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: the physics of the called cathula and I'm sure it'll

759
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: bring it up. That's a good one. That's awesome. So

760
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: what are some of the big problems you're going to

761
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: run into, Chuck, aside from getting lost or running out

762
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: of light. Hypothermia, right, always a concern when you're cold

763
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: and wet. Um, Like I said earlier, letting of passages,

764
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: which I was worried about the whole time, um slipping, falling.

765
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I was slipping all over the place. It's gonna happen

766
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: in these muddy caves and you know, you just I

767
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: just sort of slid and try not to pick my

768
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: face up off the rock. But I definitely got bumps

769
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: and bruises and I was really sore the next day.

770
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: It was like mountain climbing, except under ground in the

771
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: mountain was slick and muddy. That's basically kind of what

772
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: it felt like rock climbing. It was not what I

773
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be. Once again, I can't stress

774
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: that enough. It's not It's not a stroll. Hey my

775
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: bologna se am. Yeah. It was pretty bad, um, but

776
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: super fun. And like I said, when you come out, man,

777
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: it's so weird once you've been underground for that long,

778
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: when you come out into the real world, everything is

779
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: just like hypercolorful and bright and just weird, and it's like, man,

780
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: there's a whole different world down there that most people

781
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: don't know about. Highly encourage it. Just be careful. Yeah,

782
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: I think that's good advice. Is there anything else in here? Um?

783
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: Always make sure that several people above ground know where

784
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: you went, know where you're going now when you expect

785
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: to be back. Um, and if somebody does get hurt,

786
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: never leave that person alone. A couple of people have

787
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: to stay with them. A couple of people have to

788
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: go top side. The people who go top side need

789
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: to leave some of their supplies and lightening stuff and

790
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: water back with the people who are hanging out with

791
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: the injured person. They need to know exactly where the

792
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: injured person is so they can tell other people who

793
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: can come get them out. Um. And Uh. They also

794
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: need to remember to take the car keys with them.

795
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: Really kind of important. You don't want to get all

796
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: the way out there and be like, can you imagine

797
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: let the keys in there? Uh. And then, like you said,

798
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: if you ever get lost, you don't want to panic.

799
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: You want to stay put. You want to rely on

800
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: your plan, your backup plan, which was letting a bunch

801
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: of people know that you were supposed to have been

802
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: home two hours ago and you weren't that right. And

803
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: there are thousands of caves in the US, um many

804
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: of which are very explorable. Just do your research beforehand,

805
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: go with someone that knows what they're doing. There are

806
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: more extreme caves around the world that are very cool

807
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: to look at. Ones that you actually can skydive into,

808
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: or not scott dive, but base jump into. Boy that

809
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Scott having into one. I think I've seen, um,

810
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: I've seen video of people bass jumping into this Sutano

811
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: de LESCo and yeah it was. I think Planet Earth

812
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: the Discovery Show had that. Okay, yeah, that's it was.

813
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: It's way cool. And then like you talked about the nots,

814
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: those are very cool too. Um, just be careful. Have

815
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: we said that enough? I don't know. I don't think

816
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: you can, because, like I said, once you get there,

817
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: you realize they're just a bunch of dummies no matter

818
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: what that are ill prepared locals that are like, yeah,

819
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: I've been done here before. Good luck people. That's all

820
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I've got. Okay, Well, if you want to learn more

821
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: about caping, you can type in spelunking in the search

822
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com. Sp E l

823
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: U n K I n G. It will bring up

824
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: this article. Um and uh, I said spelunky, which means,

825
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: of course it's time for a listener. Now, I'm gonna

826
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: call this Pakistani pizza. We did a pizza podcast and

827
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: we got lots and lots and lots of feedback on that.

828
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: I knew that was going to be one of those

829
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: very ubiquitous food that people love to talk about UM

830
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: and this is from UM and I'm probably gonna put

831
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: your name, sorry, buddy uh nabi haa okay. And he

832
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: said that he listened to the Pizza Cast and but

833
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: he would drop some four one one on pizza in Pakistan.

834
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: He's originally from Orlando but currently lives in Karachi for university.

835
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: And he said, here, when you order a pizza, you

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Speaker 1: don't really order toppings, but you order us specific flavor um.

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Speaker 1: Although if you're at a pizza place you can order

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Speaker 1: specific toppings and build your on pizza. His Pizza Hut

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Speaker 1: calls it, so they are a little less cooperative when

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Speaker 1: you order for delivery, apparently in Pakistan. So he said,

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Speaker 1: your pizza will most likely have some form of chicken

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Speaker 1: on it, and then of course there's no ham because

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Speaker 1: it's a Muslim country. Pizza Hut alone serves chicken Tica,

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Speaker 1: Chicken Cary, Chicken Fajita Harry Chicken f caan Tica, and

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Speaker 1: the spicier fajita Sicilian as vell as vell as well

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Speaker 1: as the veggie schwarma Pepperoni and a couple of other

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Speaker 1: different beef flavors. That's so good chizza in Pakistan here's

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Speaker 1: the kicker for me, guys. Not only do they offer

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Speaker 1: their usual stuff crust with the rope of cheese, they

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Speaker 1: also serve beefy uh seekh kebab stuff crust. Yes, wow,

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Speaker 1: Papa John, Wait wait, I want this man? Sure you

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Speaker 1: understands what you just said? He said that they offer

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Speaker 1: a a pizza with a crust stuffed with kebab with

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Speaker 1: beef kebab. That sounds delightabul it does. Um. Papa John's

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Speaker 1: Uh offers a more traditional American pizza mini with their

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Speaker 1: various pseudo Italian names including Chicken Florentine, um Dominoes. Flavors

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Speaker 1: in Pakistan are a little more mainstream American, while they

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Speaker 1: do serve chicken tika as well as something called Golden

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Speaker 1: Feast or something to that effect, which as far as

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Speaker 1: I know involves corn, pineapple, and probably chicken. Along with

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Speaker 1: the corporate giants, there are plenty of local chains oddly

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Speaker 1: generic sounding names including Pizza Place, Pizza Point, Pizza, California Pizza,

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Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on. So just pizza.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a type of Unfortunately, my university and dorm

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Speaker 1: are located on the outskirts of town, not in the

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Speaker 1: ideal neighborhoods at these places usually don't deliver, but I

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Speaker 1: suppose that's fine. I don't hold her pizza very much

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Speaker 1: here as Pakistani pizza is kind of small and a

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Speaker 1: bit too cakey and very super bready, but it fills

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Speaker 1: you up, um and you never leave hungry. I just

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Speaker 1: had a fairly tasty contraption from pizza point around five

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Speaker 1: hours ago for dinner. I can still feel it in

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Speaker 1: my throat less and learn you did not go to

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Speaker 1: bed in the morning, sleep until the evening, didn't order

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Speaker 1: excess food anyways. Love the show uh and lots of

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Speaker 1: love that is uh, nabiha see it? Thanks a lot,

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Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's why to eat. Yeah see it? Well

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Speaker 1: maybe just said say, I bet it's a you'd we'll

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Speaker 1: find out right yep, thanks a lot for writing you.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with your studies, um and the pizza. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you're in a foreign land and you're listening to

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Speaker 1: us and you have some four one one uh, as

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