WEBVTT - The Fantastic Four: First Steps Round Table! 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.440 Warning. 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:05.320 Today's episode Canadian spoilers from Marvel's The Fantastic Four First Steps. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.640 Fun post four. I'm not gonna be able to stop. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:18.400 Guys killed it that way. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:27.320 Hello. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.159 My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Night and 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.360 welcome back to Text Revision, the podcast where we don 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.479 gee be doing your favorite shows movies is currently some 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.360 pop culture. We're coming you from my art podcast, where 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.600 we're bringing you episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Plus we're 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.879 discussing the summer's biggest movies every Friday and on Saturday. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:46.159 It's on Saturday. 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.080 In today's episode, we are calling in our very own 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:51.479 Heralds of Galactus. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.440 They do a great job, wouldn't they? 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.880 Joel and Aaron super producers to talk about Fantastic four 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.720 First Steps. But we are gonna be doing a very 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.080 fun Ryan Table. I can't wait to hear what the 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.120 people are saying, because this one's gonna be a controversial one. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.800 And programming note for you listeners out there for our 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.520 X ray Vision babes, we are recording this early because 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.080 we were lucky to see the movie pre Comic Con. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.480 So if we do not address any kind of like 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.240 giant Kevin fie G statements that we haven't heard, or 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.280 staggering box office numbers in either direction. That is why 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.959 we are getting this to you so you can have 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.800 it and listen to it while the movie is out, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.039 because we are gonna be at San Diego basically from 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.800 now till Sunday. So yeah, check in for us to 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.360 be talking about that in our post SDCC roundup, when 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.720 we will surely have more news about the success or 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.840 lack of success of Fantastic four. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.720 Okay, let's start first. Let's welcome our roundtable participants. First 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.920 of all, we have super producer Joel Joel, how are you? 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.920 I am flum mixed. There is so much perfect, so 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.320 much happening on my head around this movie. I really 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.920 really can't wait to talk to you guys about it. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.240 I'm not a huge Fantastic forehead, so I went in 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.080 with almost no expectations and I left more confused than ever. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.480 Uh oh, I own it. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.320 And then up next super producer Aaron Aaron, how are 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:25.120 you well? 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.880 I'm still singing the post credits song let Us Be Devoured. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.280 I love love that little acoustic number at the end 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.040 during the credits. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:34.400 Again. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.400 Yeah, pretty low expectations going into this, but excited to 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:38.799 hear how Joel feels. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.400 And then I'll get into a well, let's. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:40.600 Get into that. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.520 Okay, so we know how Rosie and I feel your 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.280 initial top level headline reactions to Fantastic four First Steps. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.680 Let's start with you, Joelle. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:57.320 Okay, my reaction. This is the craziest thing I've ever said. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.520 But y'all remember when we saw Turnles and we were like, Wow, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.040 the scale of this movie. It dwarfs me. I am 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.480 in awe at the size of these cash. Yes, I 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.160 can remember that Galactus, what happened? That's all you had 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.680 to do was just be like, let's just bring up 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.000 our little files and now Galactus, who is also one 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.800 of these beings? If I'm not incorrect, I don't know 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.200 what happened. And that is basically the for everything. That 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:20.919 is how I feel about all of the things. Why 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.040 did this happen? You used to be so good at 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.880 like family dramas led by complicated men. Not here. Don't 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.000 know why. I feel like we used to understand New 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.520 York is a city. There were neighborhoods, and they had 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.160 different feelings and vibes, and it was great not here. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.280 Not so when a glossal impact used to happen in 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.600 a superhero movie, we visit like a monument on every continent, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.400 just so you knew that they knew what the world 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.120 looked like. Not so here. They're like the whole world 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.400 in danger, but mostly this little corner of New York. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.120 Why is this movie so small when you have such 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.200 a large budget. What is going on? And what I really, truly, 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.840 truly don't understand is how Marvel has forgotten to tell full, 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:02.080 complete stories of characters. To get full Tony used to 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.880 go on a journey of just Oh my god, even 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:10.240 Black Panthers journey in Civil War alone is monumental. It's 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.640 so huge. He's like the fifth most important character in 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.920 that movie. I have no arc for any of these characters. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.080 Nothing changes, nothing happens to like things happen to them, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.120 but nothing happens inside of them. You're left so bereft 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.200 by the end of this movie that being said, Oh 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.600 my god, when they were surfing through that black hole, Wow, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:32.920 that's really cool. And black Hole was breathtaking. It was beautiful. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.600 They really put their like whole mojo into that. And 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.960 I also did like a lot of the Galactys' final fight. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.719 It's the first time they emotionally connected. But the film 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.200 isn't stylized enough to survive on emotional vibes, and it's 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.400 not saying anything specific enough to justify how grounded it 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.280 is in reality. I have no idea where we are 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.520 or why to your guys's points earlier, it just feels safe, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.960 and I'm I'm disappointed. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:08.280 Aaron, So, I have no formal film training. I did 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.000 not study film. I you know, like you all are 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.400 so much more knowledgeable. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.400 When I didn't even go to college, Like I'm going 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:16.160 to sell yourself. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.400 You're you're all so much more knowledgeable when it comes 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.520 to the art of cinema. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:25.280 I loved this movie. I thought, yeah, let him go, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:25.880 let him go. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:31.200 Okay, I'm so excited. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:33.760 I'm not gonna say this is like a great movie, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.840 and I'm not going to say it's necessarily the top 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.919 five in MCU by any means. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.279 I had so much fun. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.600 I mean, maybe it's because my my expectations were so low, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.880 but I there are multiple times when watching Shala Balls 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:52.040 like surfing through lava, surfing through a black hole, I 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.280 was like, this is a fucking great showcase of Superpowers, Like, 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.800 we haven't had a scene in a long time in 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.320 any sort of comic book movie that hit me in 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.240 the same way that like Nightcrawlers open in X two 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.240 where it's just like, WHOA, what a unique way of 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.359 doing that. And we've had multiple Silver Server iterations. But 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.120 her surfing that like made me think she was on waves. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.839 I was just like, and he got me, I'm in 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:25.479 it and yeah, And I mean, listening to all three 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.320 of you, how much you dis liked it, how much 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.599 Ian didn't like it, I was kind of surprised because 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.039 I was really happy the whole time. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.320 I love this so much is making me very excited 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.960 because I always want people to love a superhero movie. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.400 And honestly, guess what, you are basically. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.760 Talking about the Fantastic Four in the same way that 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.680 we now talk about the movies that came out in 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.800 the Zeros. They were fun, they showcased something different. They're 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.159 actually kind of campy and great. So it makes me 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.520 very happy that someone with zero interest in the Fantastic 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.120 Four actually came out of this movie enjoying it. And 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.800 I do think that you highlight some of the most 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.880 interesting sequences, like the Charla bal stuff. Again, I thought 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.360 that looked better than the trailer. I think even though 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.040 the CG wasn't great, who doesn't want to see like 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.880 a cool alien something through a lava? Like, I love 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.000 that those big kind of epic moments worked for you. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.920 What did you think about like Galactus as someone who 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.760 has zero knowledge of like that character, Like, did that 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.440 all kind of make sense and work for you? Did 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.880 it add to the kind of fun of the movie 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.280 to have this like totally craziest, biggest stakes we've ever 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.160 had kind of creature. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:38.920 Yeah. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.160 I when when he emerges for the first time with 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.720 the voice and the eyes, it felt immense to me. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.360 Within the ship, the ship itself felt immense, and then 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:55.040 it was like he appeared in space to talk to them, 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.800 and like, is this hulking thing now? Granted, when he 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.640 comes to Earth he feels much smaller. It feels like 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.360 he lost a little juice there. But I understood too, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.160 Like you've got to have him like actively pursuing Franklin, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.600 holding Franklin, like so that we can have this moment 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.920 of tension with like can we save him as he's 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.200 pulling him? But that intro of him both both Silver 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.840 Surfer and Galactus I thought were introd in such a 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.400 powerful way, like we've all seen the clip. We'd all 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.720 seen the clip of Shalli Baal already coming down, and 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.440 like I herald your end, I herald his beginning. I 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.920 held Galactus like that was a really powerful age. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.400 Yeah, and I thought she was incredible like it. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.040 I actually last night was like looking through her IMDb 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:40.840 to be like, what other things can I watch her 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.679 in that are not horror movies. She's like only an 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:50.360 Ozark or horror movies. It feels like like, oh the Americans, Yeah, Americans, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:50.680 that's right. 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.200 Yeah. But I thought she was incredible. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:58.120 I loved her interplay with Johnny, and Galactys felt menacing 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.920 to him, like I I hope he comes back in 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.280 some way. Who knows if he ever really will. Like obviously, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.600 this is you know, another major Marvel villain that could 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.480 just be a one off and who knows how long 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.040 this universe exists. But I thought it was good and 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.600 I actually really enjoyed. You know, we get what not 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.400 a great movie to compare it to, but you know, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.800 like Love and Thunder, we have the god Butcher and 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:26.120 we see Gore kill one god and that's really and like, yeah, galack, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:31.160 this only kills one planet, but it's a pretty cool 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:32.360 set piece to watch. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.719 And we learned that he you know, he has been 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.120 killed five. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:38.880 Dude. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.240 Yeah, I'm glad Karen's so controversial. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.680 I'm glad to hear this. I also think, you know 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.800 what a death knell. Aaron likes your movie? 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.160 Oh my god. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.199 At the edge of his seat, fucking blown away. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:01.719 Dude, When Aaron. 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.200 Likes your movie, does that mean that your movie is 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.480 gonna play. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.160 Less or play more? We gotta stop paying. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.520 But this is good because I do hope that people listen. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:11.520 I think you make a good point, which is, like, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.199 not everybody comes to a movie with this like intense 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.319 like background in the lore and a deep relationship with 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.319 the characters and just wants to Like I would argue 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.120 that despite the fact that, like I have a deep 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.000 relationship with many of the characters that have depicted in 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.199 recent movies, that I too, just want to eat popcorn 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.120 and see a good movie. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.680 That said, I. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.439 Hope that people share your perspective and that this movie 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.160 is successful because I think I think we're better. I 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.080 love these movies. I want them to continue, and so 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.079 I hope people like the movie in the same way 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:45.400 you did. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.000 Yeah, I would say, just like because I didn't necessarily 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.320 touch on this and not chat. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:52.600 It's like, I think the. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.440 Reason I struggled was like the first forty five minutes 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.880 set a very high bar for me. I just was 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.280 vibing with whatever that version was, which I guess was 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.480 the stuff that felt a lot closer to one division. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.640 But like, at the same time, I also understood as 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.320 a somebody who watches a lot of movies, I was like, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.880 how do you keep that momentum and that stylistic editing 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.920 and that kind of notion going on when you broaden 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.559 out of this TV setup? And in my opinion, they 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.640 weren't able to do it. But that drop off for 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.360 me was big, and they. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.760 Either should have or they should have just removed that, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.160 because that's what really killed the movie for me. It's like, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.160 it's not that those first few minutes are bad by 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:33.760 any stretch of the imagine. I agree with you, They're 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.120 really well done. They tell like a somewhat interesting you 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.120 feel like you're getting immersed into the world in an 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.280 interesting way, but it also feels so redundant to everything 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.880 that happens after it that you're kind of like, why 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.640 is this here? Like we've sort of set up like, oh, 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.520 Ben's really beloved in his community, but he also has 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.920 some trepidation about like how he looks, but then we 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.880 never really get into that. It's always just kind of 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.760 like some out of the corner looks. No one is 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.040 ever afraid of Ben or has a weird reaction to 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.720 him or anything like that, and it's fine if they 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.000 don't want to go the monster route. But then I 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.079 just think, like, why did we spend so much time 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.880 showing that dichotomy at that He's like, I just moved 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.760 back to the neighborhood. I thought it's because I feel 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.960 safe and good here and outside of this space, maybe 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.959 I don't, but we don't get into that before the 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.360 shows start talking to Jason about how like frustrating it is, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.560 Like I love this iteration of Sue and I thought 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.160 like her being a like un world leader with such 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.640 a dope angle on the character, but they just tell 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.760 us that and we don't get to see it, and 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.320 I would have loved to have seen, like how do 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.240 you get Moman to trust you? What is it about 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.480 Sue's approach to this job that makes her like so 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.920 different than everybody else. I think I would have loved 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.800 to have seen read watching Sue at work, because you know, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.240 I feel like when you really love your bay and 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.840 they're the best of their job, you're like, oh my god, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.199 that's my girl, like look at her. Like you get 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.439 to see like the moments where you're like, oh, this 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.920 is what connects them, This is what the binding tissue 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.679 of these characters is. And they just keep telling us 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.400 they're a family, joking a little bit, but you never 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.079 get to experience them as a family. I think families 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.679 yell at each other. I think the families are getting 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.960 angry and walk away and we don't get that. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:11.760 I see. I disagree. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.320 I think that they connected as a family quite well. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.679 They have the family meal, which I think is a 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.400 really nice scene them coming. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:19.560 They do this every week. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:25.079 But Sue and Reid, regardless of whether there's heated sexual chemistry, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.000 like like Clark and Lois, this is a lived in relationship. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.280 These are people who've been together for years. They've done 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.640 this I meant space trip and concocted special powers from it. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.719 They've tried to have a child for years. They've abandoned 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.160 that hope after they couldn't have a child. They're now 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.800 at a point where they know what the other one 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.600 is going to say. They fight, they argue, they yell 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.600 at each other because they're not living up to what 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.800 the other one what they want the other one to do, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.560 and then they still come together Like this is a 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.240 This to me felt like a relationship that has lived 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.400 in This is not like a fresh new thing. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.199 And I like that. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.280 I sort of agree with you, Eric, Like I sort 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.440 of agree with like, this is an adult relationship. I 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.840 don't need all relationships to be seen me. I do 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.560 need the relationships I need to understand, like what it 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.679 is that has bound these two to each other for life? Right? 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.960 And I think that's what's missing for me, Like there 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.040 is a level of like, oh I like you and 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.400 you do good work that's not binding for life material 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.200 I need your work has fundamentally allowed me to do 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:34.120 my work, or like we've come up together through this 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.920 really difficult thing, and like you're the only person I trust. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.400 You're the only person who understands me. Like if we 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.360 had seen Read try to communicate his ideas to other 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.680 people and constantly fail, but she gets it and she's 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.520 the person then I understand, like, oh, these who are 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.160 a strong couple and I get. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.640 It read translater. That's fun. I like that way Sue 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.040 essentially is the one who gets his ideas. That's cute. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.920 Like he's so intelligent he can't communicate with other people. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.520 I just think there's a lot of different things they 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.280 could have done, and it's it's small, ticky tac things. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.760 And that's why I think we're gonna have such like 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.640 an interesting conversation here and why this might be like 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.520 one of those teased out conversations like I could see 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.520 twenty years downline and we like it's my favorite Marvel film, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.640 Like this really out for being weird and different for me. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.040 It's like every scene is about the scene, you know, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.600 and that is why it feels kind of flat to me. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.360 Then you know, read and read and see her together 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.400 and he wants to check up on the baby, and 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.240 that's what that scene is about. You know, they're having dinner, 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:34.120 and it's about them having dinner. I was talking before 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.480 we turn the MIC's on, like I was thinking about 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.920 this moment from the first Avengers movie, right where Colson 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.800 brings the Avengers iPad to Tony Stark and he's just 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.120 turned you know, he's hooked up the Stark Arc reactor 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.800 to the Avengers Tower and Colson comes in and it's 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.280 clear that Pepper and Coulson know each other, and that 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.400 throws Tony off. He's like, why are you calling him 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.400 by this like nickname? And then he's you know, ostensibly 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.520 that scene is about I want you to join the Avengers, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.320 I want you to manage this thing, but it's also 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.680 about like the relationship of all these three characters and 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:09.720 why do you know Colson? 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.360 Like wait, where where do you know him from? 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.920 And by the way, like, I'm going to give you 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.560 a twelve percent of the credit for managing the Stark Tower, 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.680 and Pepper's like the twelve percent, What the fuck. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.000 Is that about? 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.720 Like I did this whole thing and like and so 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:29.480 you kind of get why they're together, Like they're jousting 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.320 on an intellectual level. On an emotional level, Tony's a 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.880 little jealous. He's pretending he's not jealous, but he is, like, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.920 why do you know this fucking Shield agent? When did 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.000 you meet this Shield agent? And there's none of that 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.760 jealous Yeah, who's the Who's you feel like you walked 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.440 into the middle of a conversation where there's all these 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.920 other things that you don't necessarily get that makes it 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.440 feel like a lived in full world, right, a full relationship. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.160 And I get what you're saying, arin like the things 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.040 have died down, but still to me, part of the 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:06.840 flatness of this movie, specifically around the relationships, is every 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.000 scene is about the thing that is happening. She walks 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:15.000 into Johnny's room and it's about Johnny decoding Schallibah's language. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.680 Ben goes to see Read and it's about the relationship 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.520 between Ben and Reid and why Read won't open up 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.320 to him. Johnny goes to see Read, and it's about 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.720 the space suits. You know, it's there's no other okay 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.640 thing that intersects with it to make you feel like, oh, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.800 I you know, you ever walk into somebody's house and 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.760 like the mom is like yelling from the other room 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.959 and the dad's talking about something, and somebody walks in 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.640 and says, oh, this person called. You don't know who 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:47.400 that person is. There's none of that like dangling threads 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.800 that make you feel like it's a life And I 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.679 felt like I was really missing that. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.560 I think that's a great point. Let me ask you, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.240 guys this, how much do you think that some of 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.719 these issues, even you're from the outside hour and as 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.200 someone did enjoy it and maybe doesn't see it as issues, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.920 how many of these choices. I felt like they really 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.600 wanted this to not be like quippy Marvel, like you know. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.480 How everyone kind of complains about that. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.440 And I also wonder if like they went too far 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.400 in the other direction where we don't get a lot 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:17.800 of bantering scenes. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:18.840 In my opinion, we. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.919 Don't get a lot of the that kind of texture 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.159 and in jokes and all those things that you know 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.840 families do have. And I do think that part of 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.320 that comes from they don't want to do the Origin again. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.480 They want to be like but the irony is they 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.560 say they don't want to do the Origin again Alah Superman, 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.919 which did that very well, But then they also do 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.120 the Origin at the beginning for forty five minutes, which 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.840 ironically my favorite part. I think if a story's great 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.640 and has a good origin, you can do it as 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.359 many times as you want. But I wanted I feel 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.040 like the opening had the energy, the wildness, the weirdness. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.879 I want to see them fighting all these villains. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:54.920 Why are they in New York. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.679 Why in this version of New York or they're like 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.000 fifty million hilarious themed villains. How did you guys feel 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.960 do you feel like they were trying to step away 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:03.480 or do a new direction for. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.160 The mcu joelle, What about you? 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.480 I'm gonna answer that question when we come back from 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:23.000 this break A. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:25.400 She's so profecid. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:30.160 Yay, we're back, Okay. I we were talking a little 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:35.399 bit about how afraid Marvel is. It's from a corporate perspective, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.080 we can understand. I mean, if we again compare like Superman, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:44.400 it's struggling worldwide, like at home Gangbusters worldwide. People are 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.399 not so high on people Americans right now. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:46.919 So we get it. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.800 Yeah, understandably, Understandably. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.240 I was looking at these numbers yesterday. It's just not 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.600 doing like crazy big superhero numbers. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:57.280 It's still like. 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.960