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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Sunday, November second, and

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Speaker 1: did you just wrap up a Sober October. Well, even

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Speaker 1: if you didn't participate in Sober October, there's a really

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Speaker 1: good chance you have cut back on your alcohol intake

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Speaker 1: because Americans are doing it in record numbers. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. What a

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Speaker 1: positive health alert. Right, this is huge. But we are

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Speaker 1: not drinking as much as we you too.

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Speaker 2: It's true, and this has been something that a lot

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Speaker 2: of folks have been pointing to.

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Speaker 3: The messaging has changed.

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Speaker 2: We had been hearing a lot of us of a

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Speaker 2: certain age for most of our lives that moderate drinking

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Speaker 2: there actually were health benefits to certain types of alcohol.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't demonized in the way it's been in the

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Speaker 2: last several years. We have heard on equivocally from doctors,

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Speaker 2: from researchers who say higher drinking the leads to higher

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Speaker 2: rates of cancer. It certainly does not improve your health

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Speaker 2: in a way that benefits you. So basically, we heard

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Speaker 2: no amount of drinking is healthy for the first time

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Speaker 2: really in a concentrated way in the past few years,

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Speaker 2: and that messaging is sinking in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is how much of it has to

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Speaker 1: do with people having alternatives right now? Who knows, But

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the numbers are bearing it out that somebody,

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Speaker 1: something is working and some messaging is getting through because

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Speaker 1: folks are not drinking as much to the tune of

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Speaker 1: some of the lowest rates we've seen in decades, some

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Speaker 1: thirty plus years in this country.

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Speaker 2: Yes, lowest numbers in three decades, the percentage of US

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Speaker 2: adults who admit to drinking alcohol. And we're at the

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Speaker 2: highest number ever in history of Americans who believe that

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Speaker 2: even moderate alcohol consumption is a health risk.

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Speaker 3: Those are two really good things.

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Speaker 2: We have the lowest number and the highest number, and

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Speaker 2: they're going in the right direction, respectively.

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Speaker 1: I don't how are they explaining this?

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Speaker 2: So they think that what they're saying now is sinking in.

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Speaker 2: And they're also saying a lot of what's driving this

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Speaker 2: are younger Americans, younger kids who are now of drinking age,

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Speaker 2: have been hearing since they can remember how dangerous alcohol is.

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Speaker 2: They also some will point to have the alternative of

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Speaker 2: legalized marijuana, which they consider to be a safer or

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Speaker 2: a better alternative to alcohols.

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Speaker 1: So do doctors right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: So between those two things. They're attributing a lot of

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Speaker 2: these numbers. But even us older folks, it is sinking in.

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Speaker 3: And they broke this down.

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Speaker 2: This Gallop poll for twenty twenty five broke down how

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Speaker 2: and who is consuming what and how often in a

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Speaker 2: really interesting way. So we're at the lowest point in

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Speaker 2: three decades. Just fifty four percent of US adults report

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Speaker 3: Remarkable, and by the way.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two that percentage was sixty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, d it's sixty two percent. Last

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Speaker 2: year it was fifty eight percent, and this year fifty

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Speaker 2: four percent. That is significant. And so this is among

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Speaker 2: the lowest number ever reported since the question was first

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Speaker 2: asked in nineteen thirty nine. Wowep, And here's something else interesting.

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Speaker 2: Guess what the period was the just give me like

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Speaker 2: a year period for the highest reported drinking percentage.

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Speaker 4: Among US adults highest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what were the years where you Americans admitted to

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Speaker 2: drinking the most?

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Speaker 1: Thirty nine, nineteen thirty nine, twenty twenty. Going back, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about historical YEP times, Actually, what do you have.

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Speaker 3: You're not You're not close.

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Speaker 2: So they're the period of highest reported drinking was between

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Speaker 2: the years of nineteen seventy four and nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 2: where anywhere between sixty eight and seventy one percent.

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Speaker 3: Of Americans were regularly drinking.

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Speaker 2: What you're again, seventy four to eighty one, right when

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Speaker 2: we you and I were kind of in our prime.

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Speaker 3: Well yes, I mean I was one when that started.

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Speaker 3: You were in elementary school.

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Speaker 2: But just think about that, we were surrounded by advertisements, adults,

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Speaker 2: people who were heavily drinking and not concerned about it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, the highest rates of alcohol consumption were right around

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Speaker 1: the time you and I entered the world.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 2: And also here's another interesting fact about what's happening this year.

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Speaker 2: In this latest poll, even among those who do drink alcohol,

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Speaker 2: everyone reports drinking less. They're more aware, they're acknowledging the

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Speaker 2: health risks, and you and I fall into that category.

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Speaker 2: We've done dry genuine I've done it once. I've done

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Speaker 2: a damp January, and we definitely acknowledged when we were

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Speaker 3: So we've corrected.

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Speaker 2: However, interestingly, we had a good conversation with my brother

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Speaker 2: who's a physician, in early October, and we.

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Speaker 3: Made a big decision. We made a change a shift.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was my cue. Yes, I'm sorry, I was

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Speaker 1: taking a sip in my drink.

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Speaker 3: Of water.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's interesting. And it was on that trip

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Speaker 1: we heard from uh. I think we made a bunch

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Speaker 1: of health decisions after that. We just got exposed with

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Speaker 1: got help on running and injury and nausea. We came back.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, one of the things we heard, ye, yes,

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Speaker 1: your brother, who's certainly a drinker, but he say, yeah

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Speaker 1: it is, don't even who, and a physician as well.

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Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, there's no there's no upside to it.

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Speaker 1: So he just decided to drink during the week Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like yourself out party on the weekend. But just it's

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Speaker 1: just a matter of moderation and that's a pretty good

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Speaker 1: plan and if you stick to that, it's really easy

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Speaker 1: to do. And we've gotten into that habit now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we came back from that trip to go

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Speaker 2: see Georgia play and hung with my brother and we said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to give it a try,

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Speaker 2: and we have really liked it. It's kind of nice

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Speaker 2: when you give yourself a specific limitation and just say hey,

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Speaker 2: on the weekends, I'll drink, you know, in moderation.

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Speaker 3: On the weekdays, I don't need to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if there's a special occasion, yes, If there is

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Speaker 2: a one off of this, I'm not going to say

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Speaker 3: But it does make for.

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Speaker 2: Intentional and purposeful drinking, which I think has helped a lot.

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Speaker 3: Like I have loved it.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine going back, honestly to the way we were.

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Speaker 2: So that's been a cool change that we've made. But

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Speaker 2: there's a big I know it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: surprising to anyone. Men versus women. The decline in drinking

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Speaker 2: a lie eleven percentage points just from twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: So fifty one percent of women report drinking. Men are

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Speaker 2: down five percentage points from twenty twenty three, so fifty

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Speaker 2: seven percent of men say they're drinking. Well, still dropping,

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Speaker 2: still dropping, still dropping, So that's good, just not dropping

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Speaker 2: as quickly. Republicans versus Democrats, what do you think in

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Speaker 2: this year's.

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Speaker 1: Poll, who drinks more Republicans or Democrats. I think Republicans

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Speaker 3: That's hilarious. Okay, so Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Drinking among Republicans is at forty six percent, drinking among

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Speaker 2: Democrats sixty one percent.

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Speaker 3: Boy, so for pole taken like so twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: in July. In July of this.

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Speaker 1: Year, Oh you sure it wasn't thinking like November twenty four.

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Speaker 3: But here's something really interesting.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, they say there was a sharp drop

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Speaker 2: in reported drinking among Republicans, falling nineteen points to forty

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Speaker 2: six percent. They say Democrats held steady at sixty one percent.

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Speaker 2: So who knows flip self reporting?

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Speaker 1: It's Republicans who didn't want to report it. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: had it flipped so hard. There's not a nineteen percent drop.

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Speaker 3: In that's shocking, right, right.

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Speaker 1: So why would the what in the world happened?

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Speaker 2: Okay, how about white people versus people of color this

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Speaker 2: year in twenty twenty five, that's the percent who drinks

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Speaker 3: People are people of color?

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Speaker 1: People of color?

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Speaker 2: You're wrong, White people fifty six percent, people of color

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Speaker 2: fifty two percent. Again, this is people who admit that

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Speaker 2: they drink regularly. That's always important.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna call us for a pole, of course, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. I don't know who's on the phone.

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Speaker 2: And of course, as my brother, my favorite anecdote here

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Speaker 2: tell me is that whatever you tell your doctor how

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Speaker 2: many drinks you have a week, they automatically double it

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Speaker 2: because they know everybody's lying.

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Speaker 3: So this poll should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 2: How about this, people who make less than forty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars a year versus people who make more than one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: This was the biggest disparity.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the the under forty drinkers forty thousand do what

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Speaker 1: do more of the drinking?

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Speaker 2: You're wrong, less than forty thousand, thirty nine percent, more

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Speaker 3: It just can't afford to drink, That's what it would

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Speaker 3: seem to be. That's exactly what it would appear to be.

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Speaker 3: Or they're working so much they don't have time to drink.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it could be a lot of things, right

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Speaker 3: This is so interesting. So we're at a record high.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned fifty three percent of US adults now say

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Speaker 2: moderate drinking is bad for health. That is up from

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Speaker 2: twenty eight percent who believed that.

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Speaker 3: Just ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: That speaks to the fact that the messaging is worse

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Speaker 2: Today's number. I'm sorry, fifty three percent of US adults

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Speaker 2: now say hey, yes, we admit even moderate drinking is

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Speaker 2: bad for you. Only twenty eight percent of people said

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Speaker 3: That's kind of crazy, right.

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Speaker 1: We still get studies every once in a while to

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Speaker 1: tell you that red wine is good for you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that was what was complicating things. They said

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Speaker 2: that we were getting enough of a reason to somehow

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Speaker 2: convince ourselves that it was not just okay to drink,

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Speaker 2: but good to actually have a glass of red wine.

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Speaker 3: Correct. So, anyway, that was really interesting is hydrating?

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Speaker 1: Do you have that information in there as well?

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Speaker 2: You love to say that. So do you know what

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Speaker 2: the current government recommendations are?

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Speaker 1: Did they cut them? Are they new? How about this?

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Speaker 1: Have they been updated in recent months?

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Speaker 2: They're expected to be soon, but they are not as

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Speaker 2: of right now. So do you know what the current

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Speaker 2: government recommendations are for drinking?

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Speaker 1: The limits are two a day for man, one a

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Speaker 1: day for women.

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Speaker 3: You are absolutely correct.

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Speaker 2: So the federal government's current dietary guidelines recommend that Americans

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Speaker 2: if they consume alcohol, Men should limit themselves to two

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Speaker 2: drinks a day or fewer, and women should stick to

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Speaker 2: one drink a day or fewer. Okay, So it was

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Speaker 2: a big problem with that, yes, and that is considered

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Speaker 2: moderate drinking.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: So the outgoing US Surgeon General for VC Murphy, we

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Speaker 2: know him, we love him. Earlier this year he is

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Speaker 2: recommending putting a label on beer, wine liquor that would

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Speaker 2: clearly outline the link between drinking alcohol and cancer.

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Speaker 3: And that has not happened. But certainly he was asking

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of folks who say, look

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Speaker 2: at this study and what's even happened with the messaging?

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Speaker 2: And people do change their habits when the government changes

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Speaker 1: But people have taken an issue with these recommendations forever.

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Speaker 3: That's been proven.

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Speaker 3: Yep, between beer, liquor or.

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Speaker 1: Alcoholic beverage in twenty twenty five? So far? Yes, between beer, wine,

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Speaker 1: How would I order beer?

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Speaker 3: But here's the funny thing. So that's twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: In ninety yes, in nineteen ninety two, forty seven percent

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Speaker 2: Right, this won't be shocking, But there were some big

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Speaker 4: Say obviously, oh you shouldn't see.

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Speaker 2: That was me in college. One hundred percent. That's not

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Speaker 4: It was the cheapest option, and she's frugal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I see while you fallen in love with me.

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Speaker 3: Because check, check and check. All right, women were more

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Speaker 2: This is hilarious. Forty four percent to fourteen percent. Come

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Speaker 3: We Died last.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, and then men and women are equally

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Speaker 1: Is it a cheaper than liquor.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know what I feel like making a

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Speaker 1: drink now all this talk. I think I'm going for Manhattan. So, folks,

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Speaker 1: we always appreciate you spending some time with us. And look,

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Speaker 3: The best beer ever.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, folks, always appreciate your hanging with us

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Speaker 1: for now on d J. Holmes on behalf of Amy Robot.

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