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Speaker 3: All Right, welcome to Hoop tonight here at the volume.
Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, everybody. Hope all of you guys are having
Speaker 3: a great week well. Coming into the series, we were
Speaker 3: hopeful that things would be competitive, that they'd be interesting.
Speaker 3: And here we are after three games of the NBA
Speaker 3: Five Finals, and the Pacers are up to one two
Speaker 3: games away from potentially stealing what would be one of
Speaker 3: the craziest NBA championships that I've seen in my time
Speaker 3: cover in the NBA. I can think of nobody better
Speaker 3: to break this down with. Then Colin Cowhard, who has
Speaker 3: been kind enough to give us his time tonight and
Speaker 3: join the show. Colin, where is your head at after
Speaker 3: three games of the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: Well, the Pacers, you know, and you and I had
Speaker 1: talked about this. The Celtics this year were better on
Speaker 1: the road than at home. Denver is the same team.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is not the same team on the road.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 1: They're they're bench players. Their rotational players are young. That's
Speaker 1: the downside, the youth. They are not the same team
Speaker 1: on the road. They're very vulnerable. Tonight they had nineteen turnovers.
Speaker 1: They got really sloppy. I didn't think Sga ever got
Speaker 1: into a great rhythm. He did a great job coaching
Speaker 1: and prodding and poking his team. But my take the
Speaker 1: way is like tonight was a game that you know,
Speaker 1: in football, there's the old thing about you can steal
Speaker 1: yards and field position and over the course of the
Speaker 1: game you get better field position.
Speaker 2: I thought the.
Speaker 1: Pacers between steals blocks they had eleven Between offensive rebounds,
Speaker 1: stole about eight to ten points tonight. Just sneaky points,
Speaker 1: you know, like one of them is McConnell on the inbounds.
Speaker 1: I think from Carusoe steels at play. That's a huge,
Speaker 1: huge play, especially when you're the home team in the
Speaker 1: crowded ups. And I just thought, over the course of
Speaker 1: the game, just eight four or five baskets either denied
Speaker 1: or provided sneaky points. And that's kind of the difference
Speaker 1: in the game. It was just I mean that game
Speaker 1: until the last three minutes, I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: gonna win it. It was just a very tight game.
Speaker 1: And I think they deserve a lot of credit. I
Speaker 1: mean Indiana's bench, Jesus, I mean god, that again bench
Speaker 1: at home, bench on the road. Matherin who starts sometimes
Speaker 1: for them, Who's that? It reminds me a little bit
Speaker 1: of a little Westbrook.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Westbrook was hyper athletic. Maverin was a quarterback and a
Speaker 1: hockey player in Canada. Goes to Arizona, as you know,
Speaker 1: crushes it. Super athletic, but not as out of control
Speaker 1: as Westbrook. Like he's gonna be a he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great player in this league. But I guess that's
Speaker 1: my The Pacers just a lot of blocks and steals
Speaker 1: and effort points and that's the ballgame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I had my eye on Matherin and
Speaker 3: McConnell in particular off of the Pacers bench coming into
Speaker 3: this series, not because I'm an Arizona fan, although obviously
Speaker 3: it's been awesome watching those guys just kill it. I mean,
Speaker 3: twenty eight points in an NBA Finals game. That is
Speaker 3: like a real feather in the cap for a young
Speaker 3: basketball player. And honestly, like when you I've had a
Speaker 3: lot of mail back questions and things like that from
Speaker 3: fans over the course of the last couple of weeks
Speaker 3: who've been asking, like, what's the next step for the Pacers, Like,
Speaker 3: where's their next leap? And it's that kid, it's him,
Speaker 3: it's him becoming six an All Star level guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I said this, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you and I talked about this. Oklahoma City's
Speaker 1: got more depth, but there's this sense that, Okay, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City's talent's here in indiana's his blow And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really buy that.
Speaker 2: I think I think McConnell. I think TJ.
Speaker 1: McConnell is a really, really good basketball player. I think Matherin,
Speaker 1: who started some games for them this year. He started
Speaker 1: he was like their third or fourth leading scorer, he's exploding.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know that Siakam and Halley are great.
Speaker 1: Miles Turner's defense in the second half was unbelievable. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think the gap in talent, especially when you
Speaker 1: go back home, I don't think it's that. I mean
Speaker 1: Obi Toppin his dunk, I put it, put him up
Speaker 1: by seven, and then he got a block on the
Speaker 1: other end. Like, I think the talent disparity here is inches,
Speaker 1: not feet. I think Indiana's got a real team and
Speaker 1: they and they have a lot of different players. I mean,
Speaker 1: Obi Toppins hyper athletic, Miles Turner's a rim protector. Say
Speaker 1: Ockham's got a pretty touch. Hallie's more assistant scoring but
Speaker 1: can do both. Nie Smith can hit threes. McConnell's the
Speaker 1: spark plug, Matherin's the young, emerging, hyper athletic guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got a lot of levers to pull. So I
Speaker 1: watched this. It's just fun watching this series, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, I'm like, is the
Speaker 1: Indiana they have more good players?
Speaker 2: I mean, they just pulled a lot of levers tonight.
Speaker 3: I do think they're better down the roster in terms
Speaker 3: of just the level of like consistency they get from
Speaker 3: all of their supporting players. There's like I'm watching the
Speaker 3: end of the second quarter and like Ben Shepherd's out
Speaker 3: there and Mathern and McConnell and I'm sitting there and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is Carlisle riding his bench and like
Speaker 3: what is typically a starting group session. I think where
Speaker 3: you see the talent gap between okay See and Indiana
Speaker 3: is like just that like top end shot creation, like
Speaker 3: when things really bogged down and both defenses are locked in,
Speaker 3: Shay is just so much better, like getting to his
Speaker 3: spots and finding those shots that he can make. I
Speaker 3: think I do think that Oklahoma City at their best,
Speaker 3: their ceiling is higher than India, like when they're moving
Speaker 3: the ball well and they're knocking down shots. And for
Speaker 3: the record, like if you're in a matchup like this
Speaker 3: where you're a substantial underdog, you're trying to create variants,
Speaker 3: You're trying to create margin and all the stuff you're
Speaker 3: talking about, I agree with you. They won this game
Speaker 3: in the margins. They won this game forcing turnovers, blocking
Speaker 3: shots at the rim and ball pressuring shake Gildess Alexander
Speaker 3: so much that he looked exhausted by the end of
Speaker 3: the game. And this is all low hanging fruit in
Speaker 3: basketball that's available for basically everybody. Anybody can pick up
Speaker 3: the ball full court, anybody can be aggressive in rotation
Speaker 3: and play passing lanes. There's a certain athletic minimum you
Speaker 3: need to have, but anybody's capable of taking advantage of
Speaker 3: these margins. And to me, that's been the story of
Speaker 3: the Pacers this entire postseason run is they have been
Speaker 3: so good on the margins. They're making it so that
Speaker 3: the the their variance is much lower than other teams
Speaker 3: because they're getting so much that low hanging fruit every
Speaker 3: single game.
Speaker 1: So Oklahoma City is two and four on the road
Speaker 1: in the last three playoff rounds.
Speaker 2: So we have found the hole.
Speaker 1: You know, every boxer, every baseball player, even Barry Bonds
Speaker 1: when he was on cattle steroids, there's there's a there's
Speaker 1: a there's part of the strikest and he can't hit.
Speaker 1: Usually for a batter, it's on the hands. And we're
Speaker 1: looking for where's the hole in Oklahoma City's game and
Speaker 1: it's this young team on the road. There is a
Speaker 1: great variance what you get at home and what you
Speaker 1: get on the road and we found it, and Indiana
Speaker 1: is a tremendously good home team. It just it's it's
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Miles Turner doesn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of love. You know, his his asthetic, he'll hit the
Speaker 1: corner of three. But that dude in the second half.
Speaker 1: I mean, Homegrown was great early. But Miles is one
Speaker 1: of those guys that in the league, everybody knows about
Speaker 1: Miles Turner. I mean, if he's on the market, Lakers included,
Speaker 1: there'll be multiple Sooners for Miles Turner.
Speaker 2: Everybody in the league gets it.
Speaker 1: But on this team, you know, like tonight, we're watching
Speaker 1: McConnell and we'ren Halliburt and we're always watching Siakam. I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought in the second half, I thought Myles Turner
Speaker 1: was huge.
Speaker 3: I agree he he The specific dynamic he struggled with
Speaker 3: a little bit in this series is Carlisle has him
Speaker 3: coming way out to the perimeter to show at the
Speaker 3: level of these ball screens and the thunderguards are just
Speaker 3: so fast that he's had some trouble containing him there.
Speaker 3: But in that second, in that second half, it was
Speaker 3: almost like he found his second win to where he
Speaker 3: was moving a little better, so he wasn't losing contain
Speaker 3: as much. Carlile had him start to be more aggressive
Speaker 3: and attack the ball in more of like a blitz too,
Speaker 3: which worked. He forced a couple turnovers that way, and
Speaker 3: then at the rim. Like Miles, Turner has always been
Speaker 3: one of the best like shot blockers in the league.
Speaker 3: He always racks up high shot block totals and got
Speaker 3: shit at the rim that closed out. He's got crazy
Speaker 3: that close out on the three point shot from chet
Speaker 3: late that was a big one. The stuff with Matherin
Speaker 3: and McConnell I find really fascinating. The reason why I
Speaker 3: was keyed in on them to start the series is
Speaker 3: when you're playing these young, super athletic teams like Oklahoma City,
Speaker 3: the guys that become super important are your athletes, the
Speaker 3: guys that have like some sort of physical trait that's
Speaker 3: tough to match up with. TJ McConnell is unassuming, but
Speaker 3: he is actually one of the very best guards in
Speaker 3: the NBA beating people off the dribble. So he's immensely
Speaker 3: valuable in this matchup because he can get that first
Speaker 3: bit of dribble penetration that breaks down Oklahoma City's defense.
Speaker 3: And he's such a good staunch athlete, like in terms
Speaker 3: of like his but being a fire hydrant, low center
Speaker 3: of gravity guy. He can pressure the ball and pick
Speaker 3: up full court. He had three steals on baseline inbounds
Speaker 3: in this game. Those were huge sequences in this game.
Speaker 3: And then Ben matherin same sort of thing. He is
Speaker 3: capable against a very athletic Thunder team of getting to
Speaker 3: his spots and rising up and knocking down shots because
Speaker 3: he's a supreme att fleet that can handle the ball.
Speaker 3: Nemhard is a good ball handler who's not a supreme athlete,
Speaker 3: and Nie Smith is an elite athlete who's not a
Speaker 3: good ball handler. TJ and Ben are both great athletes
Speaker 3: and great ball handlers, and that's made them very valuable
Speaker 3: in this matchup. And again like like Ben that like
Speaker 3: we're we just saw a young player put up a
Speaker 3: massive twenty eight point game in a lust to win
Speaker 3: NBA Finals game Like that is a huge moment for
Speaker 3: a young player there. And like as far as like
Speaker 3: zooming out and looking at the series, like I still
Speaker 3: lean Oklahoma City. We have seen before teams like you
Speaker 3: know the series. This actually reminds me a lot of
Speaker 3: is Cleveland in twenty fifteen versus Golden State, where Golden
Speaker 3: State is clearly the better team, but they're young and
Speaker 3: they're inexperienced, and it's their first Finals appearance and they
Speaker 3: look a little shook from the environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Lebron goes up to one on them.
Speaker 3: Now, obviously Indiana doesn't have the Lebron element, but there
Speaker 3: was obviously way less talent down the roster, but Indiana
Speaker 3: does have more veteran experience or an older team.
Speaker 1: Right, So what.
Speaker 3: Happens with Indiana here is they're up to one, but
Speaker 3: Golden State was the better team. They came in, won
Speaker 3: Game four, then they went home in won Game five,
Speaker 3: Then they went back to Cleveland and they won in
Speaker 3: Game six. I am going to give Indiana a good
Speaker 3: chance to win at least one more home game. So
Speaker 3: I do think this has a good chance to go seven.
Speaker 3: But I would still make Oklahoma City the favorite at
Speaker 3: this point before I kick it to you, just you know,
Speaker 3: the Thunder are still from DraftKings minus two thirty to
Speaker 3: win the series, and the Thunder are minus six favorites
Speaker 3: in game four. Where are you at in the series
Speaker 3: moving forward at this point?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Game seven's in Oklahoma City, and they're
Speaker 1: really good at home. And again, bench guys rotational guys
Speaker 1: are different players at home. I mean the Indiana's bench
Speaker 1: in the second quarter to night was insane. I mean
Speaker 1: it was literally, I mean I think Carlisle was shook.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just like, Wow, that's one of
Speaker 1: their best quarter of the playoffs. I think, like I
Speaker 1: one of the things that was a little surprising to me.
Speaker 1: I thought Oklahoma City looked tired in the fourth.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and now.
Speaker 1: Now the first half it was sixty four to sixty.
Speaker 1: I think the pace was in It would totally Indiana's pace.
Speaker 1: It slowed down as games can. Is that it situationally
Speaker 1: as the possessions get very, very big. But you noticed
Speaker 1: it too. I thought, okay, see looked a little gas
Speaker 1: in the fourth. They had a bad fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the advantage of ball pressure. Like there's
Speaker 3: been a lot of talk about the coverages. I have
Speaker 3: had my concerns with how they've used Turner because I
Speaker 3: think Turner's a very good shot blocker, so I want
Speaker 3: him at the rim. I don't think he's particularly fast,
Speaker 3: so I don't want him on the perimeter. So like
Speaker 3: I've wanted him sitting further back. But a lot of
Speaker 3: the full court ball pressure stuff has also had some
Speaker 3: downsides in that One of the things Oklahoma City will
Speaker 3: do is they'll have Hertenstein come out or Check come out,
Speaker 3: and they'll screen like almost at half court while Shay's
Speaker 3: battling the ball pressure and then he gets ahead of
Speaker 3: steam from like sixty feet away from the rim. And
Speaker 3: he got a lot of layups early in the game
Speaker 3: out of stuff like that. And so there there's a
Speaker 3: downside to ball pressure in that you can beat ball
Speaker 3: pressure and get dribble penetration. The upside with ball pressure
Speaker 3: is in the big picture, which is for forty eight
Speaker 3: minutes in front of that crazy home crowd, when you're
Speaker 3: facing Nie Smith and Matherin and Nemhart and all these
Speaker 3: guys just in your jersey the entire game down the stretch,
Speaker 3: you just don't have the legs because beating that ball
Speaker 3: pressure just takes it out of your legs.
Speaker 4: And so there's no doubt.
Speaker 3: That like Indiana played the long game tonight in Oklahoma
Speaker 3: City controlled at various points, but down the stretch, Shay
Speaker 3: had his hands on his knees. He was trying to
Speaker 3: grift a little bit more down the stretch looking for
Speaker 3: foul calls. Like you can tell he was tired.
Speaker 1: You know the other thing that you know, this is
Speaker 1: just something you don't talk about a lot.
Speaker 2: We don't, analysts don't. But I remember talking to.
Speaker 1: Mark Warkin team I covered him at NLB with Jerry Tarkani,
Speaker 1: and he was an executive in the league, and he
Speaker 1: used to always say the most underappreciated part of those
Speaker 1: great Michael Jordan Bulls teams was their length. He was
Speaker 1: like Rodman was long, Pippin was wrong, Luke Longley was long.
Speaker 2: Everybody but Steve.
Speaker 1: Kerr was long like Ron Harper, and he was just
Speaker 1: like they just got their hand on the balls. Indiana
Speaker 1: is long when toppin' Sayakam Turner, Halliburton's long there tonight,
Speaker 1: just to show you their length. Okase had four blocks,
Speaker 1: Indiana had eleven. Okaysee had six deals, Indiana had thirteen.
Speaker 1: How many balls? How many times in this game did
Speaker 1: you see the ball loose around the free throw line?
Speaker 1: And it was just a pacer that got their hand
Speaker 1: on it and keep when they there are certain TJ.
Speaker 1: McConnell's obviously not long, but he's feisty and quick. He
Speaker 1: gets his hand and he's fast.
Speaker 2: But dud when they've.
Speaker 1: Got Turner and Halliburton and topping. That is that the
Speaker 1: length of the Pacers, And I thought it really frustrated.
Speaker 1: Okac Chet Holme Green had multiple shots blocked, So we
Speaker 1: don't talk a lot about that. Rebounding is a lot
Speaker 1: of things beyond length, but length gives you those extra
Speaker 1: possessions and touches and disruptions, blocks and steals tonight, I
Speaker 1: mean just totally one sided. And I think again that's
Speaker 1: stealing points, which I thought the Pacers did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there was a play where Jadub got a
Speaker 3: clean corner catch out of the left corner. He might
Speaker 3: remember this one in the in the first half and
Speaker 3: or no, it was in the it was in the
Speaker 3: second half. It was in the early part of the
Speaker 3: second half, and Jay Dub drove Baseline had a dunk,
Speaker 3: but Tyres came over and Tyrees has long arms, Like
Speaker 3: Tyrese has got length to your point and he.
Speaker 2: In this point guard in the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got reasonable vertical athleticism too, So he
Speaker 3: got up and he contested Jadub and Jadab missed the dunk.
Speaker 3: He missed the dunk. And there have been a few
Speaker 3: plays in this yeries like I actually think Halliburton has
Speaker 3: been a very good defensive player in this entire playoff run.
Speaker 3: Like he's been sneaky, really good because he's the thing
Speaker 3: within this is to Carlisle's that everyone's committed to doing
Speaker 3: the job. And then ty Reese like plays hard, like
Speaker 3: he's got his limitations. He's not very big and strong
Speaker 3: and it kind of looks like a a chicken run
Speaker 3: around his head cut off sometimes on defense, but like
Speaker 3: he's got the length to be impactful that in that situation.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like there was a there was a stretch
Speaker 3: there late in the game where Carlisle rides top in
Speaker 3: for that exact reason, like him being able to go
Speaker 3: over the top of Oklahoma City on offense or meet
Speaker 3: somebody at the summit at the rim on the other end,
Speaker 3: Like those were that those have been huge parts of
Speaker 3: Indiana success throughout this entire postseason run. And again, like
Speaker 3: you want to know how you play passing lanes with length,
Speaker 3: because all of a sudden it looks open the passer
Speaker 3: makes the read and it's not open because you have
Speaker 3: the ability to close that ground. The one thing I
Speaker 3: will say, and this is one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: I still lean towards Oklahoma City to win the series,
Speaker 3: there was a stretch in the third quarter where I
Speaker 3: thought Oklahoma City really leveraged their athleticism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a gay third corner team too. They've done
Speaker 1: this in the playoffs multiple times.
Speaker 3: Yes, and like going back, even I thought Game two
Speaker 3: felt like the entire night felt like that. I don't
Speaker 3: think Indiana can beat Oklahoma City in Oklahoma City in
Speaker 3: a must win game because I think they can leverage
Speaker 3: their defense and physicality and overall athleticism to the point
Speaker 3: that's like almost too much for them to overcome. So
Speaker 3: I think Indiana's pathway is they have to win the
Speaker 3: two home games. They absolutely can. For the record, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying Oklahoma City is like the surefire going to
Speaker 3: still win the series. I lean towards Oklahoma City, But
Speaker 3: Indiana I think has to win on Friday, and I
Speaker 3: think they have to win next week on Thursday. I
Speaker 3: think that's their path.
Speaker 1: Well, in the first six minutes of the game, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City was very disruptive. The Pacers were frustrated the starters,
Speaker 1: they just weren't getting good looks. So I mean Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City when they weren't gassed late and they're disruptive, there's
Speaker 1: no getting around it. They're just fast and long and
Speaker 1: it's almost collegiate like we've talked about.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like other defense.
Speaker 1: So you know, I just don't want to fall for
Speaker 1: this because I fell for it with Denver and Boston
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, these are going to be dynasties
Speaker 1: and there are holes in Oklahoma City. I mean, they'll
Speaker 1: probably lose Jalen Williams. Eventually, they can't pay everybody, and
Speaker 1: they're going to pay home Grin because he's just you know,
Speaker 1: he's just physically a different There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: him out there. They're going to pay SGA and you
Speaker 1: know how it works now you can't pay three guys.
Speaker 1: You know, Boston's going to go through this. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's I know a lot of people look at
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City and think, oh boy, this is going to
Speaker 1: be something that they're going to be bad for the league.
Speaker 2: And my take is this series is great.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have two of the games in this
Speaker 1: series have been all Timer's and I also think I
Speaker 1: think Indiana is a real team. I mean, I'm watching
Speaker 1: matherin tonight and again I think he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of Westbrook, but he's not out of control. He's
Speaker 1: a little bit more refined at this age. And he
Speaker 1: was a better college player than Westbrook. Again, more defined,
Speaker 1: and I think he was the pac twelve player of
Speaker 1: the year if I call, well then when he like.
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, he was a great player.
Speaker 1: But my takeaway I watched him and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good. Halliburton and him and McConnell and
Speaker 1: and sa yah. Come, It's like Indiana's going nowhere. This
Speaker 1: I don't know. I said this going back to the
Speaker 1: Cleveland series. I love watching the Pacers play. I love
Speaker 1: their style, I love their I love Halliburton. I just
Speaker 1: there's just there's something about a team. There's a joy
Speaker 1: when Indiana plays. They are having a really good time,
Speaker 1: and I think it just comes to the TV.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent agree. Like I I understand some of
Speaker 3: the uh, the negativity surrounding the finals in the sense
Speaker 3: that like it lacks some of that juice for you know,
Speaker 3: especially for casual fans.
Speaker 1: To small doesn't have game two games, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And game two is super boring, like and it like,
Speaker 3: and it obviously has not been hitting great TV ratings,
Speaker 3: But there is a natural ebb and flow with the
Speaker 3: cycle of the NBA as stars a in and out,
Speaker 3: and we're definitely in one of those roles right now.
Speaker 3: But I do think that the Pacers are providing an
Speaker 3: excellent showcase for another up and coming team in the
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference. And by the way, the East is pretty
Speaker 3: wide open, Like you could argue Indy has every bit
Speaker 3: as good a chance to make it back to the
Speaker 3: finals next year as Oklahoma City does with how open
Speaker 3: things are in the Eastern Conference, right. I love the
Speaker 3: point you made about Olahoma City, like it will get tougher, like.
Speaker 3: I think Oklahoma City needs to get this one, because
Speaker 3: the reality is is that once you start it to
Speaker 3: your point, if you pay all three of those guys
Speaker 3: max maxes, and by the way, they're not gonna be
Speaker 3: regular Maxes. These are gonna be all NBA players, They're
Speaker 3: gonna be super mass right, like right, And so once
Speaker 3: you pay all those guys, they're gonna basically have to
Speaker 3: surround them with a bunch of guys on rookie contracts,
Speaker 3: Like I think they're gonna end up using all these
Speaker 3: draft pick draft picks. They have to just cycle role
Speaker 3: players through, and they're gonna be hunting like three four
Speaker 3: year college guys that play for major programs like Kansas
Speaker 3: and Villanova that they can trust to come in and
Speaker 3: play role player basketball in the end. That's what I
Speaker 3: think that they're gonna end up. That's what I think
Speaker 3: Sam Prest's gonna end up doing, and so their margin
Speaker 3: will get smaller because they won't be surrounded by as
Speaker 3: much talent. This is a particularly important series for them
Speaker 3: to win.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to move on to the Knicks. So I
Speaker 3: see this report this morning and it's from Sham's talking
Speaker 3: about how they're just calling up around all these big
Speaker 3: shot coaches in the league, Jason Kidd email Udoka, Quinn Snyder,
Speaker 3: Chris Finch. What do you make of this bizarre behavior
Speaker 3: from the Knicks right now?
Speaker 1: I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but James Dolan, who's
Speaker 1: been in a band I'm not sure if he still is,
Speaker 1: views himself as an artist and that's why he is.
Speaker 1: His His greatest achievement is not the Knicks. I mean
Speaker 1: he inherited the cable vision from his dad. Right it's
Speaker 1: the Sphere in Vegas, which is a remarkable have you
Speaker 1: been there?
Speaker 2: I think you've been there.
Speaker 3: Six timely love it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's a remarkable musical engagement achievement all time
Speaker 1: in the world. And that's really where his heart is.
Speaker 1: Irving Ave's off A former great promoter now I think
Speaker 1: he's MGM Management is one of his closest friends. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, he was a had a record label. That's who.
Speaker 1: That's who James Dolan is. So when he wants to
Speaker 1: get a GM, he goes after a star Phil Jackson.
Speaker 1: Then he wanted Steve Kerr and Amari stodammeire on bad
Speaker 1: Knees out of Phoenix, and Tibbs isn't his kind of guy.
Speaker 1: So who does he go after? Jason Kidd, who's a star.
Speaker 1: He's interested in Kevin Durant, who's a star. That's who
Speaker 1: James Dolan is. He hangs around stars, he loves stars.
Speaker 1: He's a creative. This is not a criticism, but I
Speaker 1: think he listened to his players grumble. You know, he
Speaker 1: sat down with his players and again he relates to
Speaker 1: artists and athletes and stars. He just go look at
Speaker 1: the history. And when he was doing the Spear for
Speaker 1: two years, he was disengaged from the team and they
Speaker 1: got very patient and very pragmatic and very basketball. He
Speaker 1: and very villanova ish and that's Tibbs. And so you
Speaker 1: get rid of Tibbs. It's not the same culture, it's
Speaker 1: not the same team. You still have the Villanova guys,
Speaker 1: but it won't feel the same. So it just feels
Speaker 1: like James and I almost you know, he reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of Jim Ersay in that Ersay would
Speaker 1: rather sit with his guitar and hang out with Dylan
Speaker 1: outside of football more than anything else. And I think
Speaker 1: James Dolen's a little bit of that. And I think
Speaker 1: he's an emotional guy. He's an artist. He relates to
Speaker 1: artists and he listens to his stars, and he didn't
Speaker 1: have a plan. And I think it's a big, big mistake.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is what every Nick fan dreaded,
Speaker 1: is that when he came back from the sphere he
Speaker 1: would get hands on And there are various reports on
Speaker 1: who has their fingerprints on this, but they're not getting
Speaker 1: rid of TIBs. He just signed a new deal without Dolan,
Speaker 1: you know, acquiescing to a suggestion or making the move himself.
Speaker 1: So in the end, this is what the Knicks man this.
Speaker 1: This league's crazy owners in the NFL and the NBA.
Speaker 1: You know that all owners now Jason are billionaires. It
Speaker 1: was ten years ago they weren't they made they were
Speaker 1: worth six hundred million or eight hundred million. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: blow out staffs, They didn't want to write a forty
Speaker 1: six million dollar check. That is a rounding air. And
Speaker 1: now of these owners and they're all I see it
Speaker 1: in the NFL all the time. Guys will just blow
Speaker 1: out staffs, David Tepper write a sixty eighty million dollar check.
Speaker 1: The owners didn't want to do that eight ten, twelve
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: They do now. So I don't know who they're going
Speaker 2: to land they.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been turned out by seven coaches, all
Speaker 1: the good ones, Finch and Emaio Duka and Jason Kidd,
Speaker 1: and they're just getting turned down by everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, matt Ishbia blew out of staff twice within two
Speaker 3: years of owning the team.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I uh, you know, it's it's fascinating because, like I
Speaker 3: tried to look at it in a very open minded way,
Speaker 3: because like I actually do think Jason Kid's a better
Speaker 3: coach now than he gets credit for a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago. I wasn't super high on him, but he,
Speaker 3: just like anybody else, as a competitor, has been doing
Speaker 3: it for a while now, and he's gotten pretty good
Speaker 3: at it. Like I was looking at the Knicks for
Speaker 3: a second, like I agree with you in terms of
Speaker 3: the the kind of topsy turvy, unstable nature with which
Speaker 3: you look and you portray to people when you fire
Speaker 3: your coach in a situation like this, But I also
Speaker 3: think Tims left some meat on the bone. With this
Speaker 3: next team, I thought they underachieved all season right out
Speaker 3: the gates. They underachieved. He brought it all.
Speaker 1: He's not a creative offensively, He's not like the team
Speaker 1: got very predictable offensively.
Speaker 3: I thought the major issue with this team schematically was spacing,
Speaker 3: and it actually impacted both ends of the floor on offense,
Speaker 3: the meant what you're mentioning in terms of creative offense,
Speaker 3: like his what he did on offense in terms of
Speaker 3: his creativity. The spacing for this team was extremely poor,
Speaker 3: which made life very difficult, but it had a trickle
Speaker 3: down effect in the sense that or spacing also affects
Speaker 3: your transition defense, Like if you don't have your guys
Speaker 3: situated in proper spaces on the floor, then on missus
Speaker 3: and turnovers, you don't have guys in position to be
Speaker 3: back in transition defense. And the Pacers annihilated them in
Speaker 3: transition and worse than ever in Game six like embarrassing fashion.
Speaker 3: In Game six, the Siakam and everyone else was just
Speaker 3: getting run out layup after runout, dunk after runout layup.
Speaker 3: So like I did think there was like a defensible
Speaker 3: case to move on from tips to more of a tactician.
Speaker 3: I actually see Jason Kidd as a solid option in
Speaker 3: the sense that he was a master of modern four
Speaker 3: out spacing with Luca when he was there, which actually
Speaker 3: I think is a really natural fit with Brunson, and
Speaker 3: Brunson played for Kid before, so there's like some natural
Speaker 3: stuff there. And then he did a good job with
Speaker 3: transition defense with the MAVs despite them not being super athletics,
Speaker 3: so I give him credit for that that would work.
Speaker 3: The thing there is it's just unrealistic, and if I'm
Speaker 3: Jason Kidd, why would like I don't actually see the
Speaker 3: Knicks as that great of a job, like insane New
Speaker 3: York pressure. The roster is really good, but it's not amazing.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Mikhale Bridges wants a new contract.
Speaker 1: OG's getting paid, Brunson's getting paid like the Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 2: These guys are getting paid like that.
Speaker 1: Dallas think Lively's not getting paid, Cooper Flag won't get paid.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Max Christy doesn't cost much. AD's
Speaker 1: getting paid, but you get twenty four and eleven, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I look at Dallas and I'm like, I get excellence
Speaker 1: when they're healthy, and I get an incredible top end
Speaker 1: with Lively and Flag. I know what the Knicks are
Speaker 1: and there's a ceiling and I see it all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like I don't see it as being the
Speaker 3: kind of job that Jason Kidd would be willing to
Speaker 3: basically sabotage his situation and force his way there. And
Speaker 3: then like the other names I saw, I didn't even
Speaker 3: particularly like, like ima Udoka is a motivator, that's like
Speaker 3: his primary role, and I don't think that's a specific
Speaker 3: need for the Knicks. Like I think the specific thing
Speaker 3: than Nick's need is just someone to come in and
Speaker 3: take them to the next level in terms of their
Speaker 3: offensive organization and their spacing, which will lead to them
Speaker 3: having a bunch of additional benefits and transition defense. I
Speaker 3: understand there's a hesitancy to call a guy like Mike Malone,
Speaker 3: and the reason why is because he has a reputation
Speaker 3: for being a hard ass and Tibbs was kind of
Speaker 3: a hard ass, and like, I don't think they want
Speaker 3: to go down that route again. But there's like hard
Speaker 3: ass and then there's TIBs, Like Mike Malone leaned on
Speaker 3: his starters, big minutes, but still not even close to
Speaker 3: what Tibbs did. And one of the things I'll say
Speaker 3: about Mike Malone, he was an excellent defense and spacing coach.
Speaker 3: He made a championship defense out of non championship defensive talent,
Speaker 3: and they were always consistently one of the best floor
Speaker 3: spacing teams the league.
Speaker 4: And they were very good.
Speaker 3: And again we can we got to least acknowledge Jokic
Speaker 3: was there. So Jokic makes it a lot easier, obviously,
Speaker 3: but he specifically was very good at making spacing opportunities
Speaker 3: out of non spacers, guys like Aaron Gordon, guys like
Speaker 3: Christian Brown, guys like Bruce Brown over the years, guys
Speaker 3: like uh Russell Westbrook. Even so like fitting a guy
Speaker 3: like Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson, some of these non shooting
Speaker 3: types of players, even mckail Bridges, who has struggled a
Speaker 3: lot as a shooter in this postseason run. Like, I
Speaker 3: actually think Mike Malone is a really good fit for
Speaker 3: this next team. I think he's a completely reasonable option
Speaker 3: that doesn't involve you doing something insane like calling around
Speaker 3: the league. Because here's what gets crazy.
Speaker 2: Let's say you.
Speaker 3: Call the MAVs, and they're like, okay, sure, let's talk
Speaker 3: about Jason Kidd. What are you going to offer us?
Speaker 3: We already acknowledged this is not a championship roster. So
Speaker 3: you're gonna give up assets for a coach. You need players,
Speaker 3: you need talent in there. So like it's specifically defensive
Speaker 3: talent your front court. So I don't really understand what
Speaker 3: the endgame is here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I am on the short list of
Speaker 1: people that think Dallas is going to be really good,
Speaker 1: really fair asked. I think Flag and Lively, are you know,
Speaker 1: they're duke guys. They're gonna be quick learners. They play
Speaker 1: at the highest level of competition Collegiately, I think One's
Speaker 1: gonna be One's twenty one or twenty two. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a rim protector for the next decade. So Cooper
Speaker 1: Flag can be out in transition, won't have to worry
Speaker 1: about being down low and getting jammed up, which has
Speaker 1: always been what Lebron loves. He doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: messed up in that junk. He wants to you know,
Speaker 1: he wants that ball out and up the court. So
Speaker 1: and I just you know, PJ. Washington, Christy if Kyrie
Speaker 1: comes back, I'm not sure what they're going to do
Speaker 1: with him. A d I would forget the taxes, forget
Speaker 1: everything else. I would not lead Dallas. I think Dallas
Speaker 1: is a good job. The situation that's fascinating to me
Speaker 1: is Houston because I think I think right now san
Speaker 1: Antonio is about ready to pop. So I like san
Speaker 1: Antonio and they could get y honest and I think, okay,
Speaker 1: see a set, and I think Houston's going to be
Speaker 1: in that group of three young teams a little lost
Speaker 1: because Jalen Green am In, Thompson's excellent, Sengoon's excellent, but
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of athleticism that's not very good
Speaker 1: in a half court game. And I think I think
Speaker 1: Okase has popped. San Antonio is going to pop, And
Speaker 1: so if I'm if I'm a dooka, I would consider
Speaker 1: the job. I think Houston's one of those that, like
Speaker 1: the national media, we hover in, we drop in, we go. Oh,
Speaker 1: I got Houston. I didn't like what I saw. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, and I think you can push him around.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a lot of half court
Speaker 1: possessions that are just sort of lost. You don't get
Speaker 1: good looks. They look a little disorganized. I but but
Speaker 1: Jason kidd to me, the next five years in Dallas
Speaker 1: are going to be fascinating with just this trajectory that
Speaker 1: goes through the roof.
Speaker 3: The roster is weird because it's kind of imbalanced in
Speaker 3: the sense that they just have an absurd amount of
Speaker 3: front court talent, Like you don't need Revely Gafford, Anthony Davis, PJ. Washington,
Speaker 3: and Cooper Flag Like that's five starting caliber players that
Speaker 3: all play the four or the five. So like, I
Speaker 3: do see an imbalance there, but there's an insane amount
Speaker 3: of talent. And I actually go the other way there,
Speaker 3: which is like they can afford to go into training
Speaker 3: camp and just bring all these guys in and start
Speaker 3: playing and basically look around the league and be like,
Speaker 3: who's gonna throw us the Godfather offer for PJ. Washington,
Speaker 3: for Daniel gafferd Ford, Anthony Davis, Like you could argue
Speaker 3: that Ad is gonna be the target that someone goes after,
Speaker 3: like because AD's hurt now, so he's got that classic.
Speaker 3: Everyone's down on him. They think he's old, they think
Speaker 3: he's beat up. AD comes out of training camp looking
Speaker 3: like he's in great shape, motivated, kicks everybody's butt. For
Speaker 3: a couple of months, he instantly becomes like a dude
Speaker 3: you could flip for an enormous mountain of assets. So
Speaker 3: I look at Dallas as a very, very healthy situation
Speaker 3: moving forward. It's not the same Luka Doncics were right
Speaker 3: on the doorstep of the title, but they do have
Speaker 3: a lot of big picture potential.
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Speaker 3: We got a report from SAMs today that Kevin Durant
Speaker 3: and his business partner, Brits Climate are kind of canvassing
Speaker 3: the league, looking for potential opportunities. The five names that
Speaker 3: were thrown out in the shams report for the Houston Rockets,
Speaker 3: San Antonio Spurs, the Miami Heat, the Minnesota Timberwolves, and
Speaker 3: the New York Knicks. Where did your head go when
Speaker 3: you saw that report this morning?
Speaker 1: Well, I think he works everywhere. I think there's very
Speaker 1: few players that fit everywhere, and KD is one of them.
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily need to be the soul of the team.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need the ball constantly in his hands. You
Speaker 1: get great length, a willing defender twenty four, twenty six.
Speaker 1: I think KD fits everywhere. You know, if I was
Speaker 1: KD i New York, I think he fits New York well.
Speaker 1: But Brunson has the ball in his hands. I mean
Speaker 1: in his mind, is he thinking Brunson's got some Westbrook
Speaker 1: like dribble the air out of the ball. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the corner, like I could see him, like
Speaker 1: I've been through that. You know, Kyrie, who he played with,
Speaker 1: also can be a little bit like that. So I
Speaker 1: could see KD just saying, you know, because he's got
Speaker 1: the leverage here, I could see him saying, I've kind
Speaker 1: of done the ball centric guard thing. I just don't
Speaker 1: want it again. Pat Riley and Spolster are very convincing people.
Speaker 1: Miami's a great place to play, no state tax. It's
Speaker 1: a winter league, a lot of warm weather, Like Miami's
Speaker 1: a really attractive place out east.
Speaker 2: But I'm a KD fan.
Speaker 1: I think he fits in a lot of places, and
Speaker 1: Minnesota he obviously fits. And you know, we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: like Lebron in his prime was great, but he had
Speaker 1: to be the offensive ecosystem you had to Chris Bosh
Speaker 1: had to reduce, you know, got marginalized. Kevin Love can
Speaker 1: get marginalized. Guys get away from the rim, go you know,
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, you can't have the ball that Kevin never
Speaker 1: provides that kind of obstacle, Like he just kind of fits.
Speaker 1: So I can tell you this if if if you
Speaker 1: were a GM and you talk to a coach or players,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys would raise their hands and say
Speaker 1: get KD. Because I think he loves basketball. He's a
Speaker 1: good teammates's got a good set.
Speaker 2: It's a humor.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be the media darling. I think
Speaker 1: he's really liked and respected in the league.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent agree. I you know, I love the
Speaker 3: point you made about his fit, Like he all five
Speaker 3: of these teams the basketball makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: There's one.
Speaker 3: The one team that I was like that doesn't make
Speaker 3: as much of a sense in terms of the basketball
Speaker 3: fit to me was the Spurs because it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't love the idea of putting a super thin front
Speaker 3: court player that likes the perimeter next to another super
Speaker 3: thin front court player that likes the yattern. I wasn't
Speaker 3: a huge fan of that one. It also just doesn't
Speaker 3: really fit San Antonio's timeline. So the Spurs one was
Speaker 3: weird for me. The Heat I liked the fit. I
Speaker 3: just don't know why KD would go there because it
Speaker 3: just feels like another move to a team that's not
Speaker 3: good enough to win the title. Like I'm just not
Speaker 3: sure that, Like is Kevin Durant, Tyler Harrow, bam Adebayo,
Speaker 3: is that enough to win the title? I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't think so much.
Speaker 1: But like when I'm watching that kid, Benedict Mathern, Yeah
Speaker 1: Mathern for Indy Tonight. I mean, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: overreact here, but when I'm watching him and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like Jesus, he's just a kid, Like he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna You're gonna get this two out of three games
Speaker 1: next year?
Speaker 2: Like this is this?
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, again, I think was he
Speaker 1: either third leading scorer on the team or fourth leading
Speaker 1: scorer this year like he.
Speaker 3: Coming into the uh coming into this series. He was
Speaker 3: actually the highest per minute score for the Pacers in
Speaker 3: this playoff run because I use in a shorter role,
Speaker 3: but his like points per thirty six minutes was the
Speaker 3: highest on the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I watch him and I think, oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to become a full time starter and it
Speaker 1: will be Siakam, Hallie and Mathern are their three leading scorers.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I just I'm looking.
Speaker 1: At the East and I'm like, I think Indiana is
Speaker 1: going to take a leap next year. You know, they'll
Speaker 1: play with a finals level confidence. So I just I
Speaker 1: don't think. I just I'm not just saying this because
Speaker 1: they're up two to one.
Speaker 2: I look at Indiana and I'm like, man, that is.
Speaker 1: A team with I mean outside of I mean, sayak
Speaker 1: he is what he is. I feel like seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of Indiana, all those players will be better next year.
Speaker 1: I mean out Sawkhams game is his game.
Speaker 3: They're better than they were last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like all of them.
Speaker 1: I was just so impressed with him tonight. So we
Speaker 1: can start talking about with Tatum out next year. It's
Speaker 1: gonna run through Indy. We've got to be honest about this.
Speaker 1: It's gonna run through Indy. They are deep, they're well coached,
Speaker 1: most of their players are ascending. The East is running
Speaker 1: through Indy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. And I don't see the heat as
Speaker 3: like an obvious like, oh, he goes there and he's
Speaker 3: all of a sudden the favorite in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 3: I like the Rockets fit. I think it fit. His
Speaker 3: skill set is desperately needed as a guy who's a
Speaker 3: shot creator shoot from the perimeter. He also brings length
Speaker 3: at the rim, which is not like the Rockets are
Speaker 3: a big, strong team. They're not like a long arms team.
Speaker 3: Like Jabari Smith Junior is like the one guy they
Speaker 3: have that offers.
Speaker 2: The Rockets need him, Jason.
Speaker 1: I would argue the Rockets need him more than any
Speaker 1: other team that he would play for. They need him
Speaker 1: their half court offense gets lost a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he would go in there and immediately vault
Speaker 3: them into top tier championship contention, so that move makes
Speaker 3: some sense. I will say, by far, out of these
Speaker 3: five teams, my favorite fit is the Timberwolves. It's a
Speaker 3: similar lack of redundancy in the sense that he brings
Speaker 3: kind of like exactly what the team doesn't have, which
Speaker 3: is a rock solid secondary ball handler next to Ant
Speaker 3: who can really generate shots for his team. But they
Speaker 3: can surround KD with elite super physical defense, which is
Speaker 3: what he hasn't had in these other destinations. And also similarly,
Speaker 3: Nas Red not super vertical, Julius Randall not super vertical,
Speaker 3: Rudy Gobert is vertical, but like they, Kevin Durant would
Speaker 3: be a guy at the four spot, different from Kat
Speaker 3: last year, different from Nas who brings real vertical length
Speaker 3: to the table where you can imagine Jaden McDaniels, Kevin
Speaker 3: Durant and Rudy Gobert on the floor together that front
Speaker 3: line and it's like all arms just everywhere, and it
Speaker 3: would just be really, really difficult to handle. But it's
Speaker 3: gonna be really interesting. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that we
Speaker 3: get a pretty quick like a set of action here
Speaker 3: in late June where we find out where all these
Speaker 3: guys land. But Colin, I sincerely appreciate you taking the
Speaker 3: time to join us tonight. It was good to see
Speaker 3: you Colin. It was great to see you man, great.
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