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Speaker 3: Podcas Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 4: So Max is by all of us and starts to

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Speaker 4: kind of like he's about to shift his weight walk away.

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Speaker 4: Sees Evan.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Evan, what's up, brother?

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Speaker 4: How you doing. Evan's like, I'm great, how are you.

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Speaker 5: Maco's just itching to get back out their babe.

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Speaker 2: I think Evan was just dropping word he said to me.

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Speaker 4: He was like, you know, ready to go, and uh,

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Speaker 4: let's ride. I think was the other thing, and that

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Speaker 4: He's like, wait a.

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Speaker 3: Second, that's again was over in the first quarter.

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Speaker 4: My god, first play I couldn't believe it. I mean

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Speaker 4: it was like bang bang bang. You know, if the

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Speaker 4: Patriots were to not make the playoffs this year that

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Speaker 4: they could be forced candidates for Hard I mean, how

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Speaker 4: much would Bill Belichick's that would be the resigned He

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Speaker 5: Look like the whole Hard Knocks would be like three angles,

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Speaker 3: It would turn into like the Boid the Dog Show. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: now it.

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Speaker 2: Is getting to put up time.

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Speaker 6: I'm not doing it up.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing it. You know, the crafts like Ledsoe

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Speaker 3: was considered like the fifth son.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's such a great guy too. I mean

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Speaker 4: it's like the football is one thing, but just even

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Speaker 4: the guy that he was and is. You say, two

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Speaker 4: games in the early nineties and then all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden you have this tall quarterback throwing bombs all over

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Speaker 4: the place, shows up and beats the marine out.

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Speaker 1: Like this is Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 3: at j Let's Stadium. It's Deuce, it's Tamara, it's Paul,

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Speaker 3: it's me, it's Matt Nabooth. Evan's not here, but he

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Speaker 3: has issued a statement on DeAndre Hopkins. We'll read that later.

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Speaker 3: We'll read it later, we'll save that. But Evan has

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Speaker 3: issued a statement that he wanted us to read.

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Speaker 4: Well, it did say for immediate release.

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Speaker 3: So for immediate Rea, I'll decide what immediate is.

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Speaker 6: I just didn't want anybody to think that I show

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Speaker 6: my immediate Yeah, because Evan is on vacation. I didn't

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Speaker 6: want to deprive any of the listeners. I mean, what

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Speaker 4: But probably need a good ten minutes though it's about

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Speaker 4: four pages long. So is it really a film breakdown?

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Speaker 4: You know what could have been a lot of a

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Speaker 6: So we'll get to that shortly.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get to Evan's statement later. But yeah, the

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Speaker 3: big news that broke over the weekend were was that

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Speaker 3: the Titans is signing DeAndre Hopkins, and things of things evolved,

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Speaker 3: you know, as far as stories about what the deal

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Speaker 3: actually is, whatever it is, thirteen sixteen incentives, no one sent.

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Speaker 3: The Patriots should have done it, you know, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: they should have been the ones to sign DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 3: But the bigger to me the story that came out

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Speaker 3: after If it's true, And I'm going to turn to

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Speaker 3: Paul because you know he's tuned.

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Speaker 6: Into his I don't know what his story is. I'm

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Speaker 6: very much that's the offer that.

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Speaker 3: The Patriots had was four million.

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Speaker 6: I I haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 4: I just read that Albert Beer Alberber reported the Patriots

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Speaker 4: but it was all it was all incentive.

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Speaker 3: My guess is okay, Yeah, I have not seen a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have not seen that, and also I have

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Speaker 3: Of your guys mentioned it yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because if I did, I did listen to Mike yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Because even if even if it was four million plus incentives,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not enough.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it was that. But my guess

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Speaker 6: for the quote unquote Patriots guarantees, right they were talking

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Speaker 6: Then that's not guaranteed, right, right, right. So that's my

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Speaker 6: I don't have the information.

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Speaker 4: It to come out, you know, if they knew at

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Speaker 2: They knew it, Yeah, if they knew at that point

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Speaker 6: I kind of closed the door mentally that weekend, and I.

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Speaker 6: On you what I what I when he didn't sign,

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Speaker 6: it's actually ten. And that's the highest paid receiver on

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Speaker 3: That ain't going to get it done now. And it

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Speaker 3: goes back to the whole pecking order. You know, you

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Speaker 4: Be better for them. I mean they might you know,

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Speaker 6: The better player now, right, Hopkins, I mean, by any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was timing too. I mean you can go

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Speaker 6: Well, I even looked at it with with Smith Schuster.

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Speaker 6: He already had a contract. Smith Schuster was open for

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Speaker 3: More than Shuster.

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Speaker 6: Oh, he already got more than Shuster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, but I'm saying everything being equal, teams can

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he would have gotten a huge contract open.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I don't get it, Like whether it's

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Speaker 5: I mean, even starting with you know, keeping Parker for

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Speaker 3: Because now, like if somebody I'm gonna steal what somebody

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Speaker 3: back to what I said before. I'm on record saying

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Speaker 3: Koseki has underperformed for a number of reasons, health, coaching,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what you're hoping for. I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: But for me, it's about the personnel. And that's you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, they spent a bunch of money two years ago.

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Speaker 4: What was I don't even remember what the number one

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Speaker 3: Right like that.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's just like I just feel like

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Speaker 4: that's you know, and it's just you react of course too,

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Speaker 4: are those cheap Patriots so they can buy a stadium

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Speaker 3: It's separate And that's the that I know that was

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Speaker 4: it's the Mad Kings Last Stand.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: It's the Mad Kings Last stand. And you have this,

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Speaker 6: So that's kind of where I land on this. And

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Speaker 6: Receivers are now very important players. I know he never

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Speaker 3: The the the tag number for receivers is now around

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Speaker 6: And I don't know for a fact that Adam Schefter

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Speaker 3: We know Parker was kind of a little bit prickly

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when we were asking about everybody was asking all

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Speaker 3: I didn't read the story.

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Speaker 4: No, I just saw that that.

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Speaker 6: I'll get to that just because you just brought it up.

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Speaker 6: Nicole Yang in the Boston Globe had a byeline with

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Speaker 6: I just thought it was very odd and he and

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Speaker 4: On day one.

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Speaker 3: Well is that which? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Is that is that that journalism to like, No, like

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Speaker 3: To me, it's like, Okay, the whole Hopkins thing is

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Speaker 4: I'm your guy, and and and he has to be

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Speaker 6: How could you possibly feel good about And I'm not

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Speaker 6: They they have three guys that anybody would like to

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Speaker 3: Hope they don't overlap? What are you gonna do? What

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Speaker 6: you're right, Fred, everybody, every team will lose your receiver.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he looks like he's working out really hard though. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I also like, it was two days ago Kendrick Bourne

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why this is why you get in trouble?

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Speaker 2: Like I don't need to see you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you could see stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, why are you posting this?

439
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Speaker 4: I know, no, it's always and I mean, I'm sure

440
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Speaker 4: it's going to happen next week when we get out

441
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 4: there and he's going to start talking. You're like, no, no, no, no, no,

442
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 4: no breaks, breaks, breaks, no, don't talk about this. But

443
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Speaker 4: I mean talk about a guy though that I feel

444
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Speaker 4: like has a huge opportunity because I do think that

445
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 4: he has a little bit of versatility to you know,

446
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 4: play inside, play outside, you know, play out of the

447
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 4: backfield a little bit, use him in motion and stuff.

448
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 4: I think that he has some potential. I just I

449
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 4: think that, you know, him and Juju are just huge

450
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Speaker 4: pieces of this offense. And you know, if you can

451
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Speaker 4: get a seventeen game season just out of those two, like,

452
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Speaker 4: I think you can overcome it if Parker misses a

453
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Speaker 4: couple of games, and you know, I almost think it

454
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Speaker 4: with him and Thornton, you could almost look at them

455
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 4: as Look, as long as you have one of those guys,

456
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 4: you're gonna have somebody outside who gives you at least

457
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Speaker 4: a presence and you can work around it, but I

458
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Speaker 4: just it's even more for me. I know people are

459
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 4: gonna be like, they don't have the number one, they

460
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 4: don't have the number one, and you know, and we're

461
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Speaker 4: gonna get to the season. I'm like, that's not the problem.

462
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 4: The problems that they have no depth and they are

463
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 4: one injury away from having to play a game left handed,

464
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Speaker 4: and we're not even in the training camp.

465
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Speaker 6: If you could tell me that I'm going to have

466
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Speaker 6: for the majority of the time, not telling you seventeen games,

467
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Speaker 6: but if I have both of those tight ends and

468
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Speaker 6: three of those receivers and Stevenson the Ville, I think

469
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Speaker 6: they'll be okay. Offensively, okay, I think they'll be okay.

470
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Speaker 6: That's a lot of ifs. And you know, like the

471
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Speaker 6: old adages on my show is Freddy, the more riffs

472
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Speaker 6: you have, sure more losses you're probably gonna have.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone you know on the report that I

474
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Speaker 3: was mentioning four million plus incentives, if anyone knows of

475
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Speaker 3: a credible source that had that play, he send it

476
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Speaker 3: to the to the show.

477
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Speaker 5: I think, and I get to term whether or not

478
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Speaker 5: it's I think in the meantime, though, I would love

479
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Speaker 5: to hear the official statement of we've all expressed, we've

480
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Speaker 5: all expressed.

481
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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's know this is important because a lot

482
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Speaker 3: of people are They need to know what Evan feels,

483
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Speaker 3: so go ahead.

484
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Speaker 4: Alright, So official statement from Evans.

485
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Speaker 6: Just not going to be ready.

486
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to try to do an VS person

487
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 4: for immediate release on Tuesday's pew sadness, anger frustration. I

488
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 4: could have justified losing a quote unquote ring chasing Hawkins

489
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 4: to Buffalo, Kansas City, but to lose out on him

490
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Speaker 4: because their offer reportedly wasn't in the same ballpark as Tennessee.

491
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Speaker 4: It's inexcusable and another sign that the Patriots don't want

492
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Speaker 4: to pay market value for elite skilled players, an antiquated

493
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Speaker 4: view of what wins football games. Good luck to Mac

494
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Speaker 4: Jones and Bill O'Brien. Patriots fans deserve better. Thank you

495
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 4: for privacy at this difficult time.

496
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Speaker 6: We touch on the one factor that I think I'm

497
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 6: most concerned with. Like, I'll tell you I dislike the

498
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 6: Parker extension more than not signing Hopkins.

499
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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

500
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Speaker 6: Like, let's let's continue to take that, you know, as

501
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Speaker 6: Tony likes to say, all the time on my show.

502
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Speaker 6: You know, let's you know, let's continue to take the

503
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Speaker 6: ponies and ignore the horses. Like I think Parker's a

504
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 6: he's a good player when he's healthy, he's okay. He's

505
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Speaker 6: not a difference maker.

506
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he really only had like one really good game,

507
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Speaker 5: Like I feel like he really didn't do it.

508
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Speaker 7: For me last year, for you, right, the Baltimore Baltimore

509
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 7: game had moments and he has he has that thing

510
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Speaker 7: that you know, what's what is the number, it's the

511
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 7: average per target, Like I don't care he missed half

512
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Speaker 7: the games.

513
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Speaker 6: I don't really care.

514
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Speaker 4: Separation numbers were below par, but well, I mean, Parker.

515
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: The biggest thing of Parker's that he probably was willing

516
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Speaker 4: to accept and laden deal like that's you know, these

517
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: are like the common threads with these guys.

518
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Speaker 6: But he also got more than people think. Like when

519
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 6: he signed that extension, we were all led to believe

520
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 6: that it was going to lower his cap number, which

521
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 6: it did, and it was gonna actually be sort of

522
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Speaker 6: a pay cut. Somebody described it to me as a

523
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Speaker 6: pay cut disguised as an extension. He was supposed to

524
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Speaker 6: get about five I think it was like five point eight,

525
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 6: like six million dollars guaranteed base salary in twenty twenty three.

526
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Speaker 6: He is now guaranteed to get about seventeen million dollars

527
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Speaker 6: over the next two years. So you can cut him

528
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Speaker 6: if you want, but his base salary is guaranteed next year.

529
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Speaker 6: It's not an exorbitant number, so you can cut him

530
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Speaker 6: if you want. But that's just blow torching money for

531
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Speaker 6: no reason. Yea, And to me, it all but ensures

532
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Speaker 6: that he will be on the team next year. I

533
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 6: don't think that's a good thing. I think you should

534
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Speaker 6: be looking to move on from those guys and getting

535
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Speaker 6: younger and better.

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and I think I mean, I think one

537
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Speaker 4: of the most interesting thing the last couple days has

538
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Speaker 4: been Miguel's timeline of just how much money and cap

539
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Speaker 4: that they have in the future. They don't have anybody

540
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: on contract, you know, it's like two years. And I'm

541
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Speaker 4: saying the same thing, like, there's no core here. I mean,

542
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 4: you talk Parker, he's Parker, Juju Joe Cardona, Joan Bentley.

543
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Speaker 4: So I think those are the four veterans that are

544
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Speaker 4: a huge.

545
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Speaker 6: P then you might know this guy, Mike. This is why,

546
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Speaker 6: That's why I'm gonna like one of my shows, a

547
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Speaker 6: PFF cap guy Brad something.

548
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Speaker 4: I'm familiar with them. I'm okay with them. Yeah, I

549
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: told you familiar with them, Spellberger or something.

550
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Speaker 5: It was.

551
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Speaker 6: It was a lot like what Miguel talks about. And

552
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Speaker 6: I love whim. Miguel chimes in with us because he

553
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Speaker 6: has all these numbers, and he has them cold, he

554
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 6: knows all the all the different rules, and he's a

555
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 6: valuable resource for that. I just don't think it's as

556
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 6: important as those guys think it is, because what they

557
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 6: what they miss and this guy's line of thought is

558
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 6: exactly what you're talking about. Well, the flexibility is setting

559
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 6: them up for the future. And what the PFF Brad

560
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 6: is saying is when the Rogers deal gets redone or whatever,

561
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Speaker 6: the Jets are going to have to they're going to

562
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Speaker 6: be tight. I think the Jets, the Dolphins, and the

563
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 6: Bills are going to be top five, top ten cash

564
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 6: spending and they will be a little bit handstrung when

565
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 6: they have to decide. He says, the Bills are gonna

566
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Speaker 6: have to make decisions on guys like Digs and Poyer

567
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 6: and high like, No.

568
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Speaker 3: They won't.

569
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Speaker 6: Those guys will be like in their mid thirties, those

570
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 6: guys will be gone. What you're ignoring by that, because

571
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 6: the Patriots are gonna have all this flexibility with one

572
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 6: hundred plus in cap space and all this money to

573
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Speaker 6: spend because they're in the thirties in cash spending, you

574
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Speaker 6: don't have a nucleus of talents.

575
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Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna use hopefully you're gonna use some of

576
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: it for Duggar exactly.

577
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Speaker 6: So now you're not better. No, you've just used your

578
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Speaker 6: money to get players that are that you already had. Yeah,

579
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Speaker 6: that this is my point. Like I think people look

580
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 6: at this and say, well, if mac Jones pans out

581
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Speaker 6: this year, you you pay the fifty year option and

582
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: you move forward with him as your guy, and you're

583
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 6: gonna have to give him an extension. Great best case scenario,

584
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 6: and if he doesn't, then you'll you'll move on and

585
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 6: you'll have a lot of money to spend for arguably

586
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 6: a veteran quarterback to replace them. Great, let me know

587
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 6: when that happens.

588
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Speaker 3: Number one.

589
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Speaker 6: Then the second part of that is the rest of

590
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 6: the money is going to have to, like Fred Jess said,

591
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 6: go to guys like Dugger or a Whenu or Ouch

592
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 6: or whoever else you want to do, like you're gonna

593
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 6: end up losing pieces like Peppers and Phillips and and

594
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 6: those kinds of guys because you can't retain everybody. So

595
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 6: now you have to pay either to retain the guys

596
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 6: you want to retain or to acquire guys that are

597
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 6: as good as the guys you're losing. That costs money.

598
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Speaker 6: So I don't really understand what all this flexibility is

599
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Speaker 6: such an advantage.

600
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Speaker 4: All right, So this was a classic case where I like,

601
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Speaker 4: I don't I mean, I'm on your side of the street.

602
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: Like I wasn't trying to make the point. I know,

603
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Speaker 4: it's great all kinds of flexibility. Just to make sure

604
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Speaker 4: you're clear, I absolutely know you that's what it's distress.

605
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 4: That's what's distressing, you know. And it's I don't want

606
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 4: to have to go out and buy a whole new

607
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: team in two years. I want to draft some star

608
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: players that are ahead and that we get to watch

609
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 4: and get to develop. And that's what's that's what has

610
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 4: me concerned. It's, you know, it's it's not that they

611
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: don't want to spend the money. They don't have the

612
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: players to spend the money on. Mike and you know,

613
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: like this is my buddy Greg Bodard.

614
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 6: His big thing is they seemed to be willing to

615
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 6: spend the money on defense, but they won't spend any

616
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 6: of it on offense. And he actually it was a

617
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 6: little bit you know, cherry picked. But he wrote something

618
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 6: today that had a lot of examples of the Gilmours

619
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Speaker 6: and whatnot. You know, a Daylys Thomas, Gilmour, Derell Reeves.

620
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 6: You know guys they were very aggressive with and paid

621
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Speaker 6: big money for and you really can't find many examples

622
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Speaker 6: of that on offense. The guys that they went out

623
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Speaker 6: that were highly talented, they got on their terms, like Randy.

624
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: Moss, they get Mount Cooks, they gave up a first

625
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: round pick. But the money it was the last year

626
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: of his rookie daal they got him for.

627
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

628
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Speaker 6: He was on he was on the fourth year of

629
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Speaker 6: his rookie deal and they'd been didn't pick up the

630
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 6: fifty year options.

631
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Speaker 4: They flipped them and they flipped them.

632
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, welkar At the time, people like they're

633
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: spending that on him. But but again was it turned

634
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Speaker 3: out to me?

635
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Speaker 6: No, no, no, I agree, And I was one of

636
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 6: the ones that said, I can't believe they spent that

637
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 6: much money, but that was by no means the top

638
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 6: of the market deal.

639
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: I just thought that was too much for a guy

640
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: that I you know, hadn't really done anything backup kicker

641
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 4: right that point.

642
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 6: So I do think that my biggest concern I had

643
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: come away with is that Bill is still operating the

644
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 6: way he's always operated, and that you need to do

645
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 6: these things to win games. I don't think those things

646
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 6: that he feels are the most important are most important anymore.

647
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: And we're gonna find out like this season, and that's

648
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Speaker 4: I mean, and that's as disappointing as it is, it

649
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: also just you know, kind of sets the stage a

650
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: little bit, and unfortunately, I mean, I think we had

651
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: some you know, positivity, fun Christian Gonzalez everyone, that's a

652
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: great pick, that's what they need. But you know, there

653
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: has been there that that's been kind of an island

654
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: of positivity as far as the Patriots have gone, going

655
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: back for some significant time, there's been plenty of you know,

656
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: those moments of you know, the magic going the other way.

657
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: So long the magic went the Patriots way, and now

658
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: it's just the magic when things go weirdly wrong. They

659
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: seem to be on the receiving end of it, whether

660
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 4: it's making dumb decisions at the end of the game,

661
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: whether you know, and I don't want to bring the

662
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: DeMar Hamlin thing, but again, just put into an impossible

663
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: position and you know, and then not only do they

664
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: not handle this that that moment, they completely fold right

665
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: from the opening kickoff. Maybe I shouldn't have said it

666
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 4: that way, but you know what I mean of their performance.

667
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: So it's there's just not a lot right now to

668
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: get excited about. And this is kind of the fire up.

669
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm hug.

670
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 6: I don't care for the drama, the excitement with a

671
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 6: new season with I know, the excitement that we would

672
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 6: have had ten years ago, Like that's not the same

673
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 6: amount of excitement. And I know Douche was bored well

674
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 6: before if we.

675
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: Get back to that, but I mean, you know, and

676
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: that goes back to like kind of the reference I

677
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: was making, like, you know, for so long, it was

678
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: like watching john Snow you know, it was like watching

679
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: Tom Brady. John's Oh my gosh, we're the chosen Ones.

680
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: That's you know, we're gonna fight and we're gonna win.

681
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: And and now it just feels like we're watching a

682
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: different show about things are kind of falling apart. What

683
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: are we gonna do here? How is it all gonna

684
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 4: like what's going to be the final straw that you know,

685
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: breaks it or turns it around? You know, I mean,

686
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: is there is it reasonable to still believe that what

687
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: their philosophy is and how they're approaching this can still

688
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: you know, win football games if things break right that

689
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: you know, maybe I haven't totally dismissed it that it's

690
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: not going to be a surprisingly positive season, but it's

691
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: hard to keep that fire car.

692
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 6: But it's like, why we like, why are we in

693
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 6: this position now, fourth year post Brady, where we're hoping

694
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 6: for a surprisingly positive season.

695
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: Well, I think it goes back to the years of

696
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: bad draft that set the stage for not having that

697
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: core that you wanted to build on. So you know,

698
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: we're just getting that now, hopefully, and we're late to

699
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: the we're late to the party with that, and then

700
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: you know, you lost the greatest player to ever play,

701
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: So there's going to be a downturn.

702
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 6: But of course you know, of course, but you.

703
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: Know, right now we're searching for that answer on offense.

704
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: This is an offensive league, and.

705
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 6: I don't think he thinks that.

706
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: I think he still bristles it now, I know, but

707
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: you know that's the way it is.

708
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: But it's crazy.

709
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 5: It's like bristle wants when you think, like, okay, I've

710
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 5: lost the best player on offense, when you want to

711
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: be super aggressive and getting more offensive pieces that you

712
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: can attempt to start shipping away at replacing that.

713
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: That's the philosophy. And I think you know, you can

714
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: go back two years ago and all the money they

715
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: spent on those offensive players, and you know that's probably

716
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: their answer, Well we did that to you.

717
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 5: You spent money on guys that were Yeah, well it's

718
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 5: like you didn't spend money at the time.

719
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: They were the best at the positions availed, but they weren't.

720
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 6: We went through this, they weren't hat them like that,

721
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 6: Yeah available, okay, but they weren't. But Corey Davis is

722
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 6: a better player than Nelson Agalore, like he was available,

723
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: but would have cost you more money like they they've

724
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 6: Really that's really the only example, and we all know

725
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 6: that that was a very unique example because the cap

726
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 6: didn't go up.

727
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: That year, I know, and there weren't a lot of

728
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: people didn't have money, and the Patriots were in flush. Yeah,

729
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, and then they got Hopkins last year, you know,

730
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: and they can say we've added guys on offense now

731
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: they didn't Parker, Yeah, Parker.

732
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, ponies, you know, horses.

733
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: No, you're right, I mean I brown, But I also

734
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: look at twenty twenty one for as a cautionary tale,

735
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: and that's like, you know, we talk about the cap space.

736
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 4: That's not what I want to do again. And I

737
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: think in many ways, you're in the same position.

738
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: That you were in.

739
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 6: I think I think they're hitted there in two years.

740
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 6: We're kind of in the same thing right now.

741
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: We're kind of waiting to see what does it look

742
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: like with Kasiki, what does it look like with with Juju,

743
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: just like we're waiting to see what's it look like

744
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: with Agalore. Oh, John Neu Smith and Hunter Henry. That's

745
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: going to be our new dynamic duo. Oh my Kasicki

746
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: and Hunter Henry, that's going to be our new dynamic duo.

747
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: It's kind of the same conversations you're telling yourself.

748
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: The right if we don't see significant improvement in the

749
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: offense this year, it's it's not going to be. It's

750
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: going to be a terrible offen season next year. I

751
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: mean it's But what are you going to do? I'm

752
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: just saying that, Like, let's let's talk about changes this year.

753
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: Let's go the flip. The offense goes backwards or it

754
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: doesn't improve this year, you're gonna see change, more change.

755
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 6: But let's go the flip side. Like this is where

756
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 6: I wonder about the plan. Like, let's go the flip side.

757
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 6: The offense is better. Let's say you know, and you

758
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 6: know Kasicki and Henry turn into ay productive duo. You're

759
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 6: gonna resign them both?

760
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: No, but is the offense better because Mac is better?

761
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 6: I just said the offense is better. But want to

762
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 6: resign these guys?

763
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: But you may not have to. You can you can

764
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: bring in other guys because you know we've got our quarterback.

765
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 6: Now, okay, you think the quarterback is going to be

766
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 6: the reason why they're better, not because players make any

767
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 6: plays for them. This isn't Brady, No, I'm just saying

768
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 6: that's what I worry about.

769
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: You just encapsulated.

770
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 3: But you call those wide receivers ponies.

771
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 6: I think the tight ends are ponies.

772
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: Too.

773
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so you can find ponies.

774
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: They haven't been able to.

775
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: But it's hard. They found ponies you called them.

776
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 6: No, no, this is a hypothetical that it works this year,

777
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 6: I know, but the last two years Hunter, I haven't

778
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 6: really done that.

779
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, if Max significantly improves, Okay, now

780
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: we can start built. Now we now we've got our quarterback.

781
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but do the math out on that, and then

782
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: you say, well Mac had a good year with Hunter,

783
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: Henry and Mikeasiki and now we're gonna strip, so you know,

784
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: like like and then it's another find another pony, but

785
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: they can't.

786
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 6: But maybe they're they're signing a Galore and Born and

787
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 6: Henry they're they're like, haven't even reached pony level for

788
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 6: the Patriots. Now, maybe it's the quarterback's fault. I don't know.

789
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 4: I mean, what you got to have happen is is

790
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 4: Parker and Juju the only and Thornton the guys that

791
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: you have under contract go off. But I'd also put

792
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: another layer to it and say, I don't care what

793
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: position on offense, you need a young player to emerge,

794
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: and I don't care if it's offensive line. Sure, if

795
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: it's tackle. If it's talked tight end, you need know

796
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: and then that's and that's like the the the room

797
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: is that they have major questions at the two tackle spots.

798
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: But if you know, one of those young rookie receivers,

799
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 4: somebody has to because unless they thread the needle with

800
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 4: the guy, the only guys that they have signed beyond

801
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: this year, those three receivers. Then even then you're saying, well,

802
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: he had a great year with Kasiki, but.

803
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 6: And I'm sick. Now it's gonna tell if they're all ponies, Fred,

804
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 6: then this is a hypothetical that it all worked out

805
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 6: and they did improve. So now you're just gonna say, well,

806
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: it doesn't really matter who they are, because we're going

807
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 6: to improve because we so we gotta do it all

808
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 6: over again because they had all those guys last year,

809
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 6: except well, you didn't improve.

810
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: You know, you've got that money, you'll resign who you

811
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: think is worth for signing.

812
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: And we've got our quarterback, so that I worry about resigning.

813
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 6: The resigning part is what I worry.

814
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: About, Okay, But like if Koseki goes off and they'll

815
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: extend the guy, you know, ye.

816
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 6: See, I don't I'm not convinced of that. I think

817
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 6: if Kaseki goes off, he signed somewhere else, and they're

818
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 6: in power to say, we'll just sign another caste who's available,

819
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 6: and maybe it'll work and maybe it won't. That's what

820
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 6: I worry about.

821
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: Well, to me, the lynchpin is Mac. He's got to

822
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: improve and.

823
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 6: Yes, and you're absolutely right about it.

824
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: If he doesn't, then we got bigger problems than finding ponies.

825
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 6: But I think that he's going to look at it

826
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 6: and say, if it works, it's me, it's not them.

827
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 6: He's just gonna let them all walk.

828
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: I gotta say, though, Fred like thinking about it a

829
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: little bit. I mean, I'm kind of split on Hunter

830
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: Henry and Mike Kisiki because I feel like Gasicki represents

831
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: an element of unknown that we're not really able to

832
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 4: account for. With Hunter Henry, I don't really like. I

833
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 4: think he's a fine tight end. I don't think he's

834
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 4: a great blocker. But I have trouble seeing a scenario

835
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: where I come out of this season say gotta get

836
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: Hunter Henry back. I could see it with Gasiki where hey,

837
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 4: this just works, they use him well, Mac likes him,

838
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: see something new?

839
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: Correct me?

840
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 6: But he's a little younger, right, g sick and certainly

841
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 6: not with the injury.

842
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: I believe, So, I mean, you know, I think Hunter

843
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: Henry is fine, but I do think it's worth a

844
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: little bit. Both good players.

845
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 6: I just don't think.

846
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: But again, it's the unknown factor that you're that you're

847
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 4: hoping that that's where your hope lives. Your hope lives

848
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 4: with the unknown with Bill O'Brien and with the unknown

849
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: of Juju, and with the unknown of Kasiki, right and

850
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: after that, and then you say that, then you go

851
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 4: what about the tackles? And you're like, that's a problem.

852
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 6: We've got a lot on the table.

853
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: I also have a question.

854
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 5: Do you think the Hopkins like not having not allegedly

855
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: not having the money to you know, sign him. Do

856
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 5: you think it has to do with Lawrence s guy

857
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 5: and him also warning more money? No?

858
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: No, I do we have enough money to do?

859
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: Yes?

860
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: I think they're going to figure it out come back

861
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: or don't. I don't know. I mean, that's I mean,

862
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: and again we're fliving into defense right now. But this,

863
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's a guy that you don't really have

864
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: a player to replace him with. Unless we want to

865
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: talk about Keon White, and that is potentially a possibility,

866
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: But there's no easy option to replace Lawrence Guy and

867
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: love him, love him, hate him. Think he's fine. He

868
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: plays a lot of Snap's played over five hundred snaps

869
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: every year he's been here, so he eats up a

870
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: ton of playtime that they'd have to figure out how

871
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: to fill. And there's no easy answer to that. And

872
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 4: I certainly don't think you want to give him more money.

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Speaker 4: I mean they already gave him. I mean, you talk

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Speaker 4: when they gave him one of those, like, well, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: You want to know who's gonna want more money this

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Speaker 6: time next year if he has another good.

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Speaker 3: Year jewd On yep. Last year, yeah, he'll.

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Speaker 6: deal right right on, not five.

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Speaker 2: So this Lorne Skuy thing has to be figured out

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Speaker 2: before I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's I don't even doesn't have to be you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's an issue, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think for them it's an issue. I don't think that

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Speaker 4: they're really losing sleep.

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Speaker 6: I gotta be honest with you. I hope it's not

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Speaker 6: because I think the Gotcha signing was not not a

889
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Speaker 6: smart one. The guys that This is why I always

890
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Speaker 6: push back when people say they're cheap. I don't think

891
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Speaker 6: they're cheap. I think they give good money to like

892
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Speaker 6: really good money to just okay players that Phil roles

893
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Speaker 6: that aren't that important in my opinion. Now, I don't

894
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Speaker 6: pretend to know more about football, so please just take

895
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Speaker 6: that with a grain of salt. But runs up defensive

896
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Speaker 6: tackles don't need to be re upped like that, and

897
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Speaker 6: he calls them like the best one of the best

898
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Speaker 6: defensive linement in the league. And that segment of Patriots

899
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Speaker 6: fans that will eat up anything that Bill says cling

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Speaker 6: to that. I saw some things on Twitter about the

901
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Speaker 6: the post Hopkins thing. Some guy goes, you know, they've

902
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Speaker 6: never had They've only had one hundred catch receiver in

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Speaker 6: the Super Bowl era. They've only had one guy with

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Speaker 6: a thousand yards. They've only had two guys with seven kids.

905
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Speaker 6: Who cares, they had none, no titles without the greatest

906
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Speaker 6: player who's ever played, So I don't really care about

907
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Speaker 6: the history of all de Troy Brown was the number

908
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Speaker 6: one receiver in O one and Julian Edelman was the

909
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 6: number one receiver in eighteen. Like, that's completely irrelevant to

910
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 6: me because you had the greatest player who ever played

911
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Speaker 6: like that out that overlooks anything that you have, any shortcomings.

912
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Speaker 6: That outweighs any shortcoming you have. When you have that

913
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 6: level of play at quarterback. No other team has that.

914
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Speaker 6: It's like someone goes, you know what, they have a

915
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Speaker 6: super Bowl caliber defense. You know who else has a

916
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Speaker 6: super Bowl caliber defense? Kansas City? You know why they

917
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Speaker 6: just won the Super Bowl with their defense. That's good

918
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Speaker 6: because the defense isn't the reason why you win the

919
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Speaker 6: super Bowl anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's I mean, and it's not even just

921
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Speaker 4: like not having the greatest player of all, it's just

922
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Speaker 4: not having a foundation of stars, you know that, that

923
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Speaker 4: kind of core. And you brought up Jude On, I

924
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Speaker 4: mean I would consider him in that mix. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he is the Patriots highest Ranke Madden player at eighty

926
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Speaker 4: nine overall. But times ticking with him, times ticking with

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Speaker 4: him too. So how long is it you got? Like forever?

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Speaker 6: My order my order was a rot wow, but the

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Speaker 6: producers picked me up with an abundance of sauces.

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Speaker 4: What did you order sauce.

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Speaker 6: They ordered Buffalo tenders and they can't plain.

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Speaker 4: You're playing Buffalo wo Yeah, Fred's order screwed him up,

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Speaker 4: but I got I got barbecue sauce, I got honey mustard.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well obviously, so we're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we're gonna get to your calls

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1057
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1058
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Speaker 12: If you think joy only happens after you win, think again.

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1060
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1061
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1062
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1063
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1071
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1077
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Speaker 13: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 3: History.

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Speaker 4: I just have no confidence that the Patriots are going

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00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: to be able to expose any of these you know

1127
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: weaknesses you see statistically like red zone like we saw

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Speaker 4: last week. That was a terrible red zone defense too.

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00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: Didn't really matter, No that did.

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Speaker 6: We got two red zone touchdowns.

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00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: Yes, so true.

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00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 6: I mean we need to have an intervention.

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00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: It's never good enough, josh us say, I'm tired of

1134
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: getting sad.

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00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 18: Red zone That was just as funny today as it

1136
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 18: was yesterday. Red zone, well, you know troub you know

1137
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 18: they did they stopped them. I mean they were able

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00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 18: to score twice in the red zone. I mean, you

1139
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 18: don't go from like zero for seven to like five

1140
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 18: for five, like it usually doesn't work. That week, there

1141
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 18: was progress.

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00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 6: Last week they had two red zone touchdowns, Alex telling

1143
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 6: Ken he doesn't listen to me. Kevin Aris broke like

1144
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 6: six tackles got any on one play that was like

1145
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 6: the first play.

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00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 4: Do we throw it into the end zone?

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00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 19: Really hard?

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00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: Oh style points. It's got to be a you know what,

1149
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: you're no longer allowed to do.

1150
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 6: You're no longer allowed to make fun of me with

1151
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 6: my boys, felgrin Mass because you are a wanna bee

1152
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 6: felgrin Mass. You want to find something to pick up.

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00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 3: No, they had to come from twenty eight three down.

1154
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't.

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00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: They didn't throw the ball into They got red zone scores,

1156
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 6: but they didn't throw it.

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00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: At the lead right away in the Super Bowl acceptably.

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00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: It's unacceptable. I demand dominance and excellence, perfection.

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00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: That's another great moment from all right. Eight five five

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Speaker 3: Pats five hundred is the ACE ticket hotline web radio

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Speaker 3: at patries dot com is the email address. It's deuced

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Speaker 3: to Mara, Paul, myself, Matt.

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Speaker 4: And the booth.

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00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: We've read Evan's statement on d hop, so that's out

1165
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: of the way, it's out there, and please respect his

1166
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: privacy for now. You know, his his notifications are on silence.

1167
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 4: At the he's on vacation. It's so hard, he said,

1168
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: like he just really wants to watch that film, but

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Speaker 4: he can't. He's got to he's got to vacate.

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00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: I was asking if someone had a credible source on

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Speaker 3: the Patriots offer. Akil from Brooklyn says it's part of

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00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: Breer's report. He says, whereas the Titans were twelve million base,

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Speaker 3: three million in incentives, the Patriot's offer was structured a

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00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: little like the Chiefs. After going back to before the draft,

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00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: the Chiefs offer at the time was a four million

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Speaker 3: base with a chance to make up to ten million.

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Speaker 3: So if that's the case they weren't, then they weren't

1178
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Speaker 3: as interested as we think they were. And probably Bill said, oh,

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Speaker 3: and by the way, feel free to tell people that

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00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: we're interested if that drives up your price. But this

1181
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: is what we're going to offer.

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Speaker 6: Chess, checkers, chess.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is what they do, right they here's

1184
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: what we're offering. You take it or leave it, and

1185
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: if you leave, and if you leave it right now.

1186
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: But this goes back to they didn't think it was

1187
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: as urgent a situation as we did, or maybe they do,

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00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: but they don't think that Hopkins addresses that need. I

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00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: don't know, but it does say that they weren't as

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Speaker 3: interested as maybe we thought they were.

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Speaker 4: What do you read into the Chiefs making it so?

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Speaker 6: I would negatively, I would, well, the Chiefs didn't have

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Speaker 6: the cap space.

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00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they just have to.

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Speaker 6: I would like to see what the Patriots structure was,

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00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 6: because that, to me is very ambiguous. And I'm not

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Speaker 6: ripping Albert Breer. He has great soil, like I'm not

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00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with the source because that's a

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Speaker 6: legit source, right that you You called for it, Fred

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Speaker 6: and they gave you one. But that doesn't really tell

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00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 6: me what the offer was, Like it was similar to

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Speaker 6: something that the Chiefs offered.

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Speaker 16: In May.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I'm not really sure that that's the I

1205
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 6: just telling me.

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Speaker 4: The thing I'm having trouble with too, is like I

1207
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 4: felt like Hopkins was one of those guys that Belichick

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00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 4: really just was intrigued by. Like I always say, I

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00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: never rule out if it's a former star player near

1210
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 4: the end of their career. I think he's usually willing

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00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: to take a chance, and I think he enjoys it

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 4: a little bit. But that's what's surprising to me is that,

1213
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 4: you know, they weren't really willing to go where he

1214
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 4: makes sneaky, sneaky.

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Speaker 6: Hot take on the whole. When Belichick gushes over a

1216
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 6: guy on the field, and I'm not talking about like

1217
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 6: Ed Reed gushing like that was obviously genuine every press

1218
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 6: conference every time we played Baltimore, he chose it was

1219
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 6: an ode to Ed Reid. But on the field, when

1220
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 6: he talks games soften up, I think he does.

1221
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 4: I think I think it's sort of like a psychle landfill.

1222
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to beat you now.

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00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 6: I think it's a psychological thing. I think he tries

1224
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 6: to use that a little bit to soften a guy up.

1225
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not joking.

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00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 4: I mean I would have worked with that read too.

1227
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: He was really cushing about that one.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad we all go out of here with that.

1229
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 6: Glad we only have to cover you, you know once

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00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 6: every four years.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it like the Sinko one of that

1232
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: was a preseason that I think, same, you know, similar thing, but.

1233
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Speaker 6: That you know, he said we're going to double team

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00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: you all night, Come on, coach, you know, but that was,

1235
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 6: you know, similar kind of what he went up to

1236
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 6: Hawkins last year and was like, look at you.

1237
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: You know, he played half the game receiving, like.

1238
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 6: I'm glad we only have to cover you once every

1239
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 6: four years. I think sometimes that that's like I'm gonna

1240
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 6: like gush over this guy. See if I can get

1241
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 6: him off his game tonight. YEP, I wonder, I don't do.

1242
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: You don't remember what they paid Ocho Cinco?

1243
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 5: Do you?

1244
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 6: Was that?

1245
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: Like, I mean that's you know, like that.

1246
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 6: No, and the Ocho Cinco thing was different. He had

1247
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 6: a good relationship with O, like they joked around a lot.

1248
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 4: Like call him Chad Johnson. Still does he still cho

1249
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: sink O?

1250
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think he's back to Chad Johnson.

1251
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1252
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 4: Ocho Cinco.

1253
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was another one where oh we got Ocho

1254
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 3: Cinco and then balls are bouncing off his helmet. Camp

1255
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, he ain't getting it.

1256
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: How long did it take you guys to realize that

1257
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 4: this ain't gonna be Indy and Paul twenty minutes?

1258
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 6: Fred still thought it was gonna happen in the X

1259
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 6: Factor to.

1260
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Speaker 4: Get you something today, Buddy, let's get yourself, let's get

1261
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 4: you started.

1262
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Speaker 3: This is the week, this is the week he breaks out,

1263
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: Like literally we.

1264
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 6: Had this at some point Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, at some

1265
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 6: point every week is what if?

1266
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 3: What if?

1267
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 6: This is the week that, like, you know, who did.

1268
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: They blame for that? Though it was never like oh

1269
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 4: they're not using them right, or it was never like

1270
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: Brady's icing them out. It was always just like you idiot,

1271
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: you can't figure it out.

1272
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: I had I had a theory. I know, I had

1273
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: a theory that in Cincinnati, he knew when he screwed up,

1274
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: he was still going to get the ball again. You know,

1275
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: he could drop the pass or run the wrong route,

1276
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: but he was the guy and he was gonna get

1277
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: thrown to here. The pressure was on to make every

1278
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: play because if you don't, Brady's not going back to you.

1279
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: And I think it was all in his head. I mean,

1280
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,959
Speaker 3: like his his his skills were eroding at that point,

1281
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 3: but I think so much of it was mental. I

1282
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 3: think he was under so much pressure to make plays

1283
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: because you know, you never knew when the next one

1284
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: was going to come your way, and they really, you know,

1285
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: he was his personality was suppressed as well. I mean

1286
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: they told him no more of this, no more antics.

1287
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: And he was, you know, a good patriot. He you know,

1288
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: quote unquote anything. He never heard anything. And that's not him,

1289
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: that's not his game.

1290
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 4: Was he more afraid of Bill or Tom both?

1291
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 6: I think he wanted he really wanted to fit in.

1292
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: He did.

1293
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 6: I think Fred nails it. I think it was more

1294
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 6: mental than anything else. Yeah. Now he also was probably

1295
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 6: not anywhere near the same physically. No, Like he never

1296
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 6: did anything after that. He went to Miami. I think

1297
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 6: he ended up getting cut, yeah, because he got.

1298
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was at the end of his career.

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, you got like I think he was really bad.

1300
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: He was really bad to the point where when he

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: would make a catch, Brady would like, that's.

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Speaker 6: Why we got you the mic up in the super Bowl.

1303
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 6: That's why we got you to catch a twelve yard

1304
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 6: out in the super Bowl. Yeah, that's it for the

1305
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 6: whole year.

1306
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: Like that, That type of praise tells you that like

1307
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: they they wanted this guy to do something, he just

1308
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: couldn't do it.

1309
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 4: And that was eleven right, That was that was Welker

1310
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: and Branch and Hernandez and Gronk and could have used

1311
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: one maybe one more guy.

1312
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you could have used him. Yeah, but yeah,

1313
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 3: he was done. He was done. And it was a

1314
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: lot of press. Like I said, you know, in Cincinnati,

1315
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 3: it didn't matter. You're always going to get more balls throw. Yeah,

1316
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: but not here, you know. So anyway, eight five five

1317
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: pass five hundred is the A Stick and Hotline web

1318
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: radio at pictures dot com. Let's go to the A

1319
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Speaker 3: Stick and houtline Todd's at North Carolina. What's up Todd?

1320
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 20: Hey, guys, how you doing. I kind of triggered all

1321
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 20: bars in the Catch twenty two on Thursdays, and I

1322
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 20: had a question I was waiting for Paul to get

1323
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 20: back kind of on his take on it. So there's

1324
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 20: two things. Number one, Box, I think it was the

1325
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 20: cow Herd said that this is problem is a Bill

1326
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 20: problem here with the Patriots. They're not relevant anymore. Nobody's

1327
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 20: interested in them. And the fact that Bill will not

1328
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 20: get the stars in to play the game is why

1329
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 20: nobody really talks about the Patriots anymore. The second thing

1330
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 20: was the thing that I brought up in Catch twenty

1331
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 20: two was how bad did our defense stuffer towards the

1332
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 20: end of the year. Last year? Over the last couple

1333
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 20: of years because they're just exhausted there on the field

1334
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 20: too much. The stats guy boord out a little bit,

1335
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 20: you know, Barth went ballistic and said, yeah, yea, I

1336
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 20: asked Evan kind of poo poot it. But I'd like

1337
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 20: to hear your guys thoughts on those two points. Thanks,

1338
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 20: guys have a great trouble.

1339
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what do you think will be like

1340
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: if they have, Well, you're not going to get the

1341
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: ring chasers because you're not chasing a ring right now.

1342
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: So you have to offer the most money. That's that's

1343
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: just what. It's not like people don't want to come here,

1344
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: but in order to get them here, you have to

1345
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: offer them real money. It's it's not incentives, you know.

1346
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: And the other incentive is not a ring anymore because

1347
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: you're not one of the top teams to win, you know,

1348
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: so you've got to just compete money wise. That's it.

1349
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: It's simple.

1350
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I would just wonder what, you know, Todd

1351
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 4: would think if you had a couple of star players

1352
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: but your team just stunk every year, you know, like

1353
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 4: what like that's the like that's kind of the flip

1354
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: side of the coin of like, hey, we don't have

1355
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 4: a lot of stars, but the last couple of years

1356
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 4: at least they've been in the mix for a little bit.

1357
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 4: You know, what's it look like? What's the energy around

1358
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 4: the team when you have star players that just can't

1359
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 4: put it together. That's another side of something that you know,

1360
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 4: we haven't really seen. But I mean, you know, he

1361
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: won't go out and get the players, like it's it's

1362
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 4: not that easy. You have to draft the players. I

1363
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: think you know you can supplement with free agency, but

1364
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: now it's that's absolutely you don't have the players right now.

1365
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 4: That's that's the bottom line, whether how you want to

1366
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 4: get them, you know, draft, free agency, whatever it is.

1367
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 4: Right now, you just haven't had them. And you know,

1368
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 4: to what you were saying, you have to have guys emerged,

1369
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 4: like you have to have guys developed that you didn't

1370
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: have to go out and play pay an exorbitant amount

1371
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 4: or you didn't have to spend you know, high draft

1372
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: capital on you know, you need those gems. Those are

1373
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 4: the guys that we I mean, big magic happen.

1374
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: You know. You know, like I said, we fell behind

1375
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: because we had four or five years of unproductive drafts.

1376
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 3: You know, uh, and now we're starting to catch up

1377
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean, Stevenson was a good pick.

1378
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: You hope that bar Moore, you know, plays to his potential.

1379
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: You know, cold strange is cold strange, you know, but

1380
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: this year, you know, maybe maybe this was a really

1381
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,959
Speaker 3: good draft. Christian Gonzales, you know, you have high hopes

1382
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 3: for Keyon White, you know, even Marty Map who you have,

1383
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, but at least those first two guys, if

1384
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: they pop, Okay, now now we're now we're doing what

1385
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: we're supposed to be doing.

1386
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 4: You know, absolutely those are and you know, I mean

1387
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 4: what I was gonna say is, you know, everybody knows

1388
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: all the A. J. Browns of the world, and you know,

1389
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: but I think for every you know, really good championship team,

1390
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: you're you're gonna probably find and I didn't do a

1391
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 4: study on it, but there's gonna be those unexpected guys

1392
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: that was a fourth round pick that you know, now

1393
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: he's playing an important role. And you know, I think

1394
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 4: the absence of those kind of guys, it's just that's

1395
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, you're kind of plugging holes with extra free

1396
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 4: agents here and there, and you know, the sense of

1397
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: continuity is just kind of gone when for so long

1398
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 4: you just always kind of knew what to expect everyone.

1399
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 4: And you know, the other thing is, though, even if

1400
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 4: those three top three defensive guys pan out, what does

1401
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: it to mean, Like, yeah, they got another really good defense,

1402
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 4: all right, Like they've had a really good defense. I

1403
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: think we're all just waiting for an offensive guy to

1404
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 4: step to the forefront and make some noise and you know,

1405
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 4: bring some juice that and that's why Hopkins was disappointing.

1406
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 6: Right, So, you guys touched on the Bill part of

1407
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 6: that equation, and I think you're right. I mean, I

1408
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 6: think ultimately it's simplistic, but Bill has final say. So Bill,

1409
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 6: you know, has the decisions on the roster, So the

1410
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 6: state of the roster falls on Bill, right, yep. So

1411
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 6: I mean I know it's a say, but cow, it's

1412
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 6: probably right, you know, And they don't have stars. Now,

1413
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 6: I would argue that some of the problems continues to

1414
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 6: be the way they like even in the draft process.

1415
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 6: I think that he is not adapting and adjusting to

1416
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 6: again the things that are more important in today's game.

1417
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 6: So keon White in the second round, what does he like?

1418
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 6: What does he project as if it pins out a

1419
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 6: Dietrich Wise replacement. Yeah, okay, that and that and that's

1420
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 6: if it works. Yeah, Like, I like, I'm not telling

1421
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 6: you that I think that guy can't play, because man,

1422
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 6: if he doesn't look like he looks like he can play,

1423
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 6: I'll tell you that he fills out the uniform. He's

1424
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 6: a big, imposing guy. But I just wonder, like, what

1425
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 6: do you like does he does he portray us like

1426
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 6: a game wrecking edge athlete. I don't think he does.

1427
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he does.

1428
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 4: And I think that's you know what, And I don't.

1429
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: I think that that's a possible but you know, I'm perhaps,

1430
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 4: but that's like, that's the perfect poo.

1431
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 6: As much as I've sort of, you know, been skeptical

1432
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 6: on that, I can see that to me would be

1433
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 6: an indication that I'm adjusting, I'm adapting. This is a

1434
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 6: different kind of player, two hundred and eighteen pound linebacker.

1435
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 6: This is a guy that I might be able to

1436
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 6: use in different ways now right now, it looks like

1437
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 6: he's going to be used more in the secondary. I

1438
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 6: think that's the thing he falls in love with, is

1439
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 6: that ability for all his safeties to do everything.

1440
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how much would life be different if

1441
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: Nikhil Harry was truly worth the first round pick and

1442
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: played like a first round wide receiver.

1443
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it's everything you everything you're lamenting right now.

1444
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to go so far as

1445
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 4: to I mean, I think the ship had sailed with

1446
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 4: Brady by that point. Yeah, but there's a part of

1447
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: me that wonders, you know, had he worked out like

1448
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 4: an AJ Brown? If all of a sudden Tom is reinvigorated.

1449
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: He comes in, he is a hard worker. Tom realized

1450
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: this guy's getting it.

1451
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 6: If he was really damaged together, he was really really

1452
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 6: I'll separate the Tom part of it. But if he

1453
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 6: was really really good and you'd have it, you have

1454
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 6: a number one wide receiver right now.

1455
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think unless they traded him.

1456
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: And that's what and that's what that's what's supposed to

1457
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: happen when you draft a guy in the first round

1458
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: as a wide receiver.

1459
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 5: Do you think that's why they haven't drafted in the

1460
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 5: first round wide receiver? Is it because there Do you

1461
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 5: think there is some fear that, Okay, we'll draft one

1462
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 5: again and it won't.

1463
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: I hope not. I mean, there was a long time

1464
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: where they were looking for a tight end and they

1465
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: drafted first round tight ends and they were Ben Watson,

1466
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 3: Daniel Graham. They were okay, but they never really were

1467
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: first round. And then they kept doing it and they

1468
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: finally got Gronkowski. You don't give up on it, you know.

1469
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 3: So I hope that that's not the case that their

1470
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 3: gun shy because they you know, to kill Harry was

1471
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 3: such a bust.

1472
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 4: I mean, and you can play this game with so

1473
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 4: many like what if Isaiah Win had worked out as

1474
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 4: a left tackle and you had a franchise left tackle

1475
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 4: and we're not talking about all these like what do

1476
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: we do? You know, like just that stability that you

1477
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: became a custom to over twenty years is gone.

1478
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 6: But what I worry about is, like, so we talk

1479
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 6: about Harry, what do you think they felt Harry was?

1480
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 6: What did we hear about?

1481
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 3: We heard he was fifty every guy we heard what

1482
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 3: they think?

1483
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 6: No separation can play can play on all Michael right,

1484
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 6: And if you think, if you think he's better than

1485
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 6: you know, if you don't think Kaneil Harry is better

1486
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 6: than DK methalf, you're stupid half no cannel. And we're

1487
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 6: the ones that were stupid, right, But he he could

1488
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 6: play on all four downs, he could block, he's verse,

1489
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 6: he has the size catch radius. They're looking for unicorns,

1490
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 6: Like unicorns are really hard to find, Like just find it.

1491
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 3: Got to take a Deebo Samuel. Find a guy who's

1492
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: a unicorn.

1493
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 6: In my opinion, find a guy who's elite at what

1494
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 6: he does, Like Justin Jefferson is probably not the best

1495
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 6: blocker in the game, right Terry McLaurin probably isn't gonna

1496
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 6: make us living, you know, picking up a safety to

1497
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 6: turn an eight yard run into a twelve yard run.

1498
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 6: But they're elite receivers, you know, Like why can't you

1499
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 6: just draft that? And I think that's why, Like I

1500
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 6: think that's part of the problem, like why they can't

1501
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 6: because I think they tried.

1502
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 4: Like they're trying to check too many boxes instead of

1503
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 4: just you.

1504
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 6: Know, a lot of people didn't think Isaiah Winn was

1505
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 6: was a tackle. Yeah, but they knew, Like we have

1506
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 6: it differently, Like it's I don't think it's it's just

1507
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 6: you draft a guy and he doesn't pan out. I

1508
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 6: think sometimes what he's looking for is harder to do,

1509
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And I think it's the

1510
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 6: Cole Strange is another guy. Like, if they took Cole

1511
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 6: Strange in the fourth round, you wouldn't think you'd be

1512
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 6: sitting there saying this. Another Michael Away City South right,

1513
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 6: Another Michael Lwanyu.

1514
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 4: He's in there, he's playing.

1515
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 6: It's great, but you didn't. You took him in the

1516
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 6: first round, and you need more than that out of

1517
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 6: your first rounders, especially when you're at the point you're rebuilding.

1518
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 5: It's almost like avoiding the stars and just trying to

1519
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 5: go for more of like a diamond in the rough.

1520
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 5: And it's like, I get it, like you can, you know,

1521
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 5: coach up someone to be who you want them to be.

1522
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 5: But I'm also like, you also need to have stars too.

1523
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 6: But it gets back to my fear. You can coach

1524
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 6: up guys to fill roles when you have the greatest

1525
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 6: player who's ever played, right, you know, he thinks he

1526
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 6: coached up those guys to fill roles.

1527
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: I could.

1528
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I turned Mike Grabel into it from a

1529
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 6: line backter. He got twelve touchdowns.

1530
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: I could do that.

1531
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 4: It had nothing to do with the guy thrown in

1532
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 4: the ball for all twelve of those.

1533
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: I mean, go down the list of wide receivers they drafted,

1534
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, relatively high that were bus but didn't matter.

1535
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 3: It didn't matter.

1536
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 6: I mean, that's yea and I think to human spackle, right.

1537
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 4: But but you know, they went out and signed Danny A. Mondola,

1538
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 4: which at the time seemed like, Okay, that's a good fit.

1539
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 4: He had some injury issues, but he came back and

1540
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 4: he de livered in some of their biggest games. Julian

1541
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 4: Edelman developed, you know, so that's that's how you're able

1542
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 4: to overcome Aaron Dobson and you know that twenty thirteen

1543
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 4: season when they really didn't know what they had going

1544
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: in and then it became over.

1545
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: Would as would he have been as good as he

1546
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 3: was with another quarterback?

1547
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 6: It depends who the other quarterback was.

1548
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: Let's say Holmes, well, he wasn't even around really then.

1549
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: But Manning Danning, yep, yeah, I think his his he

1550
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 4: had the athletic quickness that was going to be anywhere,

1551
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 4: and he's just a dog.

1552
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 6: He got that dog in him, as they say, but

1553
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 6: he's ridiculously athletic and people don't give him the credit

1554
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 6: for that. I think Welker is very similar. I think

1555
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 6: they're athleticism and I believe me, I was as guilty

1556
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 6: as anybody for overlooking that. Like so again, sometimes it's

1557
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 6: easy to just say, you know, I was wrong, I

1558
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 6: missed that one. Those guys were different. But to think

1559
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 6: you could just turn anybody into that, which they started

1560
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 6: to think.

1561
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 4: But even think about how tenuous Edelman's journey was, even

1562
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 4: with Brady, you know, and then it was you and

1563
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 4: he's buried on the depth chart. But you know, you'd

1564
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 4: love to think right now that there's a Julian Edelman

1565
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: sitting on you know, in the lower end of the roster.

1566
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 4: It's hard to say that there is, but you know,

1567
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 4: that's maybe that's another part of Brady.

1568
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 3: That we mentioned two of the best quarterbacks ever to play,

1569
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 3: Brady and Manning. But I think it takes it, you know,

1570
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 3: when you have a talent like that that's so raw,

1571
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 3: like Julian Edelman never played the position. I think you

1572
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 3: need a great quarterback to bring it out of them,

1573
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: to teach them how to do it. And you know,

1574
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 3: and I think that both you know, he Edelman's so

1575
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 3: smart again football IQ, I don't know, you know, book smart,

1576
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: but football IQ, he's brilliant. And so he got it

1577
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 3: Troy Brown's another guy. He got it. You know, it

1578
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 3: takes you know, for guys like that. I think it

1579
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: takes that combination. I wonder like if he was with

1580
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins or would he have been That's.

1581
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 6: But that's a good example. Troy Brown's a good example. Yeah,

1582
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 6: he got it with Drew too.

1583
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: He wasn't the player he was with Drew.

1584
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 6: He wasn't the only player on the team with Drew

1585
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 6: like he was in one. No, I know, but yes,

1586
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 6: he was an extremely good he was he was a

1587
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 6: good player because he's an extremely good player.

1588
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: But did they really use him as a slot guy

1589
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 3: back then? Did they?

1590
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 9: Yes?

1591
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 4: I think there's too there's a power.

1592
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 6: I mean he made the team as an eighth round

1593
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 6: pick for.

1594
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know, and he got cut a few

1595
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 3: times and came back. You're right, but he was also,

1596
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: you know, a good special teams player.

1597
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 21: But and he was.

1598
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 6: He was a very trustee.

1599
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 3: I'd like to see his numbers.

1600
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 6: He didn't catch a hundred balls like he didn't know

1601
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 6: one when he was the only receiver on the team.

1602
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 3: Right, I'd like to see his numbers pre and post Brady.

1603
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 6: Well, they're going to get blown through the roof with

1604
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 6: Brady because he was the only guy they had, Like

1605
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 6: he wasn't with Terry Glenn and Sean Jefferson like he

1606
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 6: was with Drew. But he was a good player with

1607
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 6: Drew too.

1608
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 3: Right saying I'm not saying he was a bad player,

1609
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 3: but he got better.

1610
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 6: And Brady's also better than Bled, so like yes.

1611
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 4: And Brady was Brady when Edelman got here. So it's

1612
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 4: it's also that psychological effect of I have a chance

1613
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 4: to play with the greatest quarterback of all time, like

1614
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 4: I you know that that just sets the bar to

1615
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 4: be motivated, no offense to other quarterbacks. But I think

1616
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 4: when you go into a place where it's you know,

1617
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 4: Marcus Mariota, you know you're not quite as like, oh,

1618
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 4: I got to be on top of it.

1619
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 6: That's team bread on that, Like you have to have

1620
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 6: a really good quarterback, like you can't just have any

1621
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 6: any like David car Yeah, I agree, Derek Carr wouldn't,

1622
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 6: although Derek Carr got a lot out Hunter renfrom But

1623
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 6: go back to the the the the call it was

1624
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 6: Todd I think it was a while agoing now the

1625
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 6: defense part of that equation that I think he's and

1626
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 6: you guys might have numbers you and Evan, I don't

1627
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 6: know if you do. That did indicated it's more of

1628
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 6: a second half of the year thing. To me, it's

1629
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 6: opponent driven, not second half of the year driven.

1630
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 4: But this was the defense falling off at the end.

1631
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, like I think in two years ago, it

1632
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 6: just so happened that you didn't really face any stiff

1633
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 6: offensive tests until the stretch drive. You know, earlier in

1634
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 6: the year they got eviscerated by by Dallas. Right then

1635
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 6: they had a steady stream of banged up bad teams

1636
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 6: that they competed against and more often than not beat.

1637
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 6: They had a seven game winning streak. Then they started

1638
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 6: playing good teams with good quarterbacks again, and they couldn't

1639
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 6: stop them.

1640
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Jonathan Taylor ran all over them.

1641
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 6: Now, last year to me was all hit or miss.

1642
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 6: You either played a backup quarterback or you had a

1643
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 6: hard time stopping the team. And that's what I think

1644
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 6: is going to be the situation that they're going to

1645
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 6: have a problem with this year is it's I think

1646
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 6: tougher schedule. I think on paper it is a tougher schedule.

1647
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 6: There's eleven quarterbacks that I think will be tough for

1648
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 6: them to deal with. Now they probab we won't get

1649
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 6: eviscerated by all eleven. Like they'll probably do fine against

1650
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones, right, but I don't know what they'll do

1651
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 6: against Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

1652
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 4: Right, And that's that. And like, you know, I love

1653
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 4: like defense. I love watching the you know, that's my

1654
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 4: favorite thing about the game. And it's just the fawning

1655
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 4: over the multi safety defense that like I'm like, I

1656
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 4: want to fawn over it, but it just hasn't been

1657
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 4: effective against the good team. So you know, what point

1658
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 4: do we say, all right, this is like on paper,

1659
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 4: it seems brilliant, you know, like we're blurring the lines

1660
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 4: between linebacker and safety, but it just isn't productive and

1661
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: it hasn't.

1662
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 6: And never say never, because one day you and I

1663
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 6: will be wrong on this and some team is going

1664
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 6: to come in with a pedestrian offense in a defense

1665
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 6: that's confusing everybody, and they're gonna win on the on

1666
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 6: the back of the defense again, the way the Broncos

1667
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 6: did in fifteen and the way you know the Ravens

1668
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 6: once did, you know, way back when I just feel

1669
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 6: like it's really hard to win that way in this

1670
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 6: league now, like to win enough games to get to

1671
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl and then never have to outscore anybody,

1672
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 6: always win seventeen thirteen. Yeah, it could happen, but I

1673
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 6: just don't see it breaking down that way.

1674
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: I mean, just what's funny though, is that, you know,

1675
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 4: no matter how good or bad the Patriots defense was

1676
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 4: over twenty years, it always just kind of came down

1677
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl to a handful of plays, like

1678
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: you know, and probably the worst defense of all their

1679
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 4: Super Bowl defenses had probably the best performance in that

1680
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 4: final Super Bowl where they shut down one of the

1681
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 4: best offenses in the league, which I don't think anyone

1682
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 4: was expecting to happen given the history of let's face it,

1683
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 4: like every game was a nail bier right down to

1684
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 4: the end where lucky they didn't have Cooper Cup absolutely,

1685
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 4: but still, you know, it's it's just interesting how it

1686
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 4: plays out like that, where it's even you know, it's

1687
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,959
Speaker 4: so rare to have one team like the fifteen Broncos

1688
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 4: or the Ravens of two thousand that are just that

1689
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 4: it's defense.

1690
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 6: In the way the game is now, like to sit

1691
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 6: there and say, well, you know, well, no one stops

1692
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 6: mahomes and go, yeah, that's why you know you want

1693
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 6: to tell me that it's a top five defense. I'm

1694
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 6: not telling you you're wrong. It might be one of

1695
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,879
Speaker 6: the five best defenses in football.

1696
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 22: You know that.

1697
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 6: And a coupon will get your free tank of gas

1698
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 6: at Costco. Like, I don't really know what that does

1699
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 6: for you.

1700
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't do anything for you. If you can't get

1701
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: that coupon, I don't.

1702
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 3: Know that's worth a lot of money.

1703
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 4: These days, people are always lined up for the Costco

1704
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 4: gas here everyone Like I.

1705
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 6: Just I feel like, yeah, I don't think that the

1706
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 6: defense is necessarily overrated. I hear some people say it's

1707
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 6: an overrated defense. I don't necessarily call it overrated. I

1708
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 6: call it somewhat irrelevant.

1709
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's today's in today's NFL, a great defense

1710
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 3: isn't really great.

1711
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 6: Right, And it's a snarky comment that I made about like,

1712
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 6: you know who else has a super Bowl caliber defense?

1713
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 6: The Chiefs, And it's it's intentionally snarky, but it's true.

1714
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: You need both.

1715
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 5: It's like, your defense can be really good, but if

1716
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 5: they're on the field for eighty percent of the game,

1717
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 5: they're not going to be very good when you need

1718
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 5: them to be.

1719
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 3: And how good are they if they're on the field

1720
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 3: for the game.

1721
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 6: First drive of the game against Josh Allen, Like, it's

1722
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 6: nothing to do with Like to me, it's just hard

1723
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 6: to stop competent offense in today's game.

1724
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 3: In today's game.

1725
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 6: I'm not making fun of the defense. I just think

1726
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 6: it's everything is stacked against defense.

1727
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 4: But it seems like we're all kind of at the

1728
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 4: point where like, you have to be good, But it

1729
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: really just comes down to situationally, you know, you have

1730
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 4: to make those plays within you. I mean, do you

1731
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 4: think that they still think that you can be that good?

1732
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 4: Like that's what they're building.

1733
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 6: I think they think they can win with defense. That's

1734
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 6: my my major concern about everything is that Bill still

1735
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 6: thinks it's two thousand and six. I don't have to

1736
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 6: have the best of all all over the place.

1737
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 4: I can I can do it.

1738
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 6: I can win with defense, we can run the ball,

1739
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 6: we can do like I mean, I mean just say.

1740
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 4: They're coming off their worst offensive season in at least

1741
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 4: two decades, and the first three picks were right.

1742
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 6: He looks at us have won eight games with that

1743
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 6: that offense that's what that's what he thinks. Nothing of offense.

1744
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 3: All right, let's go back.

1745
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 6: I know it's it's great Bard's big take, but I

1746
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 6: don't think he's wrong.

1747
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 3: Man, Let's go back to the phones. Uh, Mike and

1748
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 3: Tampa has been holding on. What's up Mike?

1749
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 21: Hey, guys.

1750
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 17: So when I think of our team right now, I

1751
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 17: kind of feel like we're the guy on the beach

1752
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 17: digging the hole. Then looking up and seeing the big

1753
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 17: mounted dirt. Oh, that's impressive, not realizing all he's doing

1754
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 17: is digging himself into a deeper hole with especially when

1755
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 17: you look at all the cap rooms that we're going

1756
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 17: to have. Paul was mentioning in it earlier, that's great.

1757
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 17: Issue have a nucleus. You only have to go get

1758
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 17: three four guys, and you go to five guys and

1759
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 17: you've got one hundred million. Great, you can go get

1760
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 17: five top of the line eyes and absolutely smoke the

1761
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 17: rest of the world.

1762
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 4: But when we have.

1763
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 23: Nine, ten eleven positions, we got to worry about. Okay,

1764
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 23: now we're back to fill in with well average every day.

1765
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 3: I think that might be. I think, yeah, but I

1766
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 3: don't think we're that far away. Actually, when you you

1767
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 3: know we're not nine ten positions away. I don't think.

1768
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1769
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 4: Maybe offensively, yeah, I think you are.

1770
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 6: I think and I think that you're going to lose

1771
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 6: some of the players that you think are part of

1772
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 6: the nucleus.

1773
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I don't know. I think I think we're

1774
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 3: closer than you think. But it comes down to mac Jones.

1775
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 5: I think it comes down to both mac Jones and Bill.

1776
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 5: I think Bill needs to take some accountability, one for

1777
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 5: you know, what's needed on offense, and two just for

1778
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 5: like all of that happened last year. I mean, take

1779
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 5: some accountability, like that was your fault.

1780
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 4: That was last year. No, that was your fault.

1781
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Mike, mh you you made mention of.

1782
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 4: The I forget how you put it.

1783
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 17: Oh how Bill thinks defense wins championships And like you said,

1784
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 17: maybe that used to be true.

1785
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 20: But he what, he what?

1786
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 17: I don't think he counts on as heavily. I'm not

1787
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 17: going to be dumb enough to say he doesn't know

1788
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 17: because the greatest coach in the NFL, it will keep

1789
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 17: you from losing games. But that those and you could

1790
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 17: call it a semantic argument if you want to, But

1791
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 17: to me, they're not the same.

1792
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, thanks for the cou It will keep

1793
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 6: you in games. Good defense will will give you a

1794
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 6: fighting chance, me a punches chance, you know, most most weeks.

1795
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 6: But I agree with that that sentiment. I just think

1796
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 6: that the whole notion like they have holes, like in

1797
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 6: a lot of spots, and what people don't realize is like, Okay,

1798
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 6: you like Dugger, Well what if Dougger leaves, Well that's okay,

1799
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 6: we have well what if Phillips and Dougger leave, you know,

1800
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 6: and maybe you don't have this you know, overly deep,

1801
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 6: versatile safety core like I don't know, Like at some

1802
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 6: point you have to identify who you think is part

1803
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 6: of the future, and you have to give some of

1804
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 6: these guys some of the money. Like maybe you decide

1805
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 6: who Jay can replace Judon and he could be an

1806
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 6: every down player and do that, and you give him

1807
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 6: a big contract and you let Judon play it out

1808
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 6: as the older guy and let him go. I don't

1809
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 6: know if I would agree with that, but that's the

1810
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,919
Speaker 6: example of what you have to That was the success

1811
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 6: formula to me of the two thousands into the you know,

1812
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 6: to twenty fifteen or so, you know, it was Matt

1813
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 6: Light giving way to Nate Solder. And maybe Nate Solder

1814
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 6: wasn't as good as Matt Light. I don't think it's maybe.

1815
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 6: I don't think he was as good as Matt Light.

1816
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 6: But there was a plan there and he was good enough.

1817
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 6: So you didn't drop off dramatically because of Nate Solder,

1818
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 6: you know.

1819
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 4: And don't you think that those things like help just

1820
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 4: keep your locker room in line because you don't want

1821
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 4: your team to feel like a bunch of mercenaries.

1822
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 6: Right, doesn't matter how much I produce, they're gonna let

1823
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 6: me go after four years anyway.

1824
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,839
Speaker 3: Right, Sam's in Montana?

1825
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 6: What's up?

1826
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 4: Sam?

1827
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 6: Hi?

1828
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 3: Hello?

1829
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 22: Uh so first time? Last time?

1830
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 6: I mean time if your phone doesn't get better, I'm

1831
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 6: sorry to hear that.

1832
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 22: So I'll just get into it. I know Paul at heart.

1833
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 22: He's a baseball guy, sporter on a baseball thought experiment.

1834
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 22: So your QB is kind of like a in baseball

1835
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 22: if you could run your best starting pitcher out there

1836
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 22: every game. And so I'm just gonna give you some

1837
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 22: QB picture comps, and I'm curious what you would comp

1838
01:22:54,720 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 22: back to Paul. So like the guys that have been

1839
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 22: dominating the league the last fifteen years, like Tom Rogers Breeze.

1840
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 22: I would say, like Manning is like a Roy Howe

1841
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 22: day Homes is like a de gram Allen put him

1842
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 22: like a Garrett Cole, Tom Roger Clemons or somebody like that.

1843
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1844
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 22: So I think the hope was that, uh Mac could

1845
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 22: be like a Mussina or a Maddox and kind of

1846
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 22: have those elite control, elite pitching I Q skills and.

1847
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 6: I get I get the h I get the comparison.

1848
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 22: I don't see like, uh, you know skills like in baseball.

1849
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 22: They'd say he has you know, swinging miss stuff. I

1850
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 22: haven't seen it yet.

1851
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 6: Yeah. So and that's where I would I would go

1852
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 6: Sam with with Fred and You're like, it's it's all

1853
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 6: you know, it's all in mac Jones. It's it's up

1854
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 6: to mac Jones. But like I would just ask people,

1855
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 6: you know, just objectively to step back and say, what

1856
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 6: do you think the best that he could be is

1857
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 6: based on what you've seen in two years?

1858
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 22: So okay, let me give you a Boston rotation and

1859
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 22: you tell me which guy he is in.

1860
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 6: This rotation, Bronson or Royal Oil Camboy.

1861
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 22: Oh No, all right, Josh Beckett. He could he can

1862
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 22: win a playoff series for you on his back. John Lester,

1863
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 22: he can be great any given night, but he's probably

1864
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 22: not gonna win three games in a seven game series

1865
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 22: for you. Same with John Lackey. Then you got the

1866
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 22: back end of the rotation. Derek Lowe, John Burkett, that's

1867
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 22: kind of where I see him.

1868
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 6: He could be John Burkett, but.

1869
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 22: He's not gonna have a you know, two hit shutout

1870
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 22: to win a game for you.

1871
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1872
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 4: Across the sports. Tim Wakefield to see.

1873
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 6: Pa, I don't know, he's different.

1874
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 3: Thanks Sam, call again, don't make that the last time.

1875
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 6: Right, And plus the phone really got right right, Yeah, yeah,

1876
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 6: came back, came right into shape.

1877
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1878
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 6: When you said, Fred, you know, it's all up to

1879
01:24:58,760 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 6: Mac Jones, you know.

1880
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: What I mean by that.

1881
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 6: I would agree with you, like if you can't like

1882
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 6: how many holes they I think that's where's our holes

1883
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 6: to fill. And it really comes down to Mac Jones. Yeah,

1884
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 6: I think if Mac Jones, if you substituted Mac you know,

1885
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 6: Mac Jones for uh And I don't want to say

1886
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 6: like the very top, but maybe someone who's good, who's

1887
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 6: really good Kirk Cousins. You know, I think you might

1888
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 6: have receivers that are okay, yeah, but I don't think

1889
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 6: you're winning the Super Bowl with that, because at some point,

1890
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 6: the quarterback has to put the team on his back,

1891
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 6: and I don't think Kirk Cousins can do that.

1892
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 4: Well, he's got to work Tuesdays because he takes Tuesdays

1893
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 4: as a personal day and he doesn't even to come

1894
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 4: into the building. So it's what we're learning our quarterback

1895
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 4: on Netflix.

1896
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll leave that for you guys. I just like,

1897
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 6: I just wonder what people think the absolute highest level

1898
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 6: that Mac Jones is capable of getting to is because

1899
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 6: I think my phil Simms, yeah, and I don't think

1900
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 6: that's good enough. It was for the Giants, yes, because

1901
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 6: they had Hall of Famers everywhere else. They won't have

1902
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 6: that here, Bill, Bill, Harry cashm Leard Marshall, l T.

1903
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 6: I mean, Bill Parcells, hall of famers everywhere else.

1904
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 3: Dan's and Florida. What's up?

1905
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 22: Dan?

1906
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 19: I wanted to I wanted to call in today. I

1907
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 19: waited for I waited for Paul the to uh come

1908
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 19: back today. But I know Evan's out, but I wanted

1909
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 19: to give you guys some takes. Let's see what you

1910
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 19: guys think about opinion wise. Uh, I don't know if

1911
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 19: you guys have been following my Florio's uh discussions throughout

1912
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 19: the summer. He was just talking about he just released

1913
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,480
Speaker 19: the report to the Boston Love, talking about how Belichick

1914
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 19: could possibly be out of a job. He's war he's

1915
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 19: worried about his future in New England. Then after if

1916
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 19: he goes another season not making the playoffs. Basically, it

1917
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 19: goes back to March when Kraft was talking about how

1918
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 19: he wants to be back in the playoffs and even

1919
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 19: mentioned possibly be in the Super Bowl. So part of me,

1920
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 19: part of me as a fan loving the Patriots, wants

1921
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 19: to in a way make that happen. And also in

1922
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 19: another way, it kind of wants to see Bill failing

1923
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 19: away just because of the decisions he's made the last

1924
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 19: few seasons, and I kind of want that to be

1925
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 19: kind of like being presented to Kraft, like, hey, I

1926
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 19: gave Bill the last five seasons to do something and

1927
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 19: he's just kind of squandered it since Brady's gone. That's

1928
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 19: one point there. My other point with us losing Hopkins,

1929
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 19: I'm not really surprised but kind of disappointed at the

1930
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 19: same time. But I don't blame Hopkins for wanting more money.

1931
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 19: And then my third take is, since they didn't really

1932
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 19: get anybody else, I think the only option right now

1933
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 19: is to go after dal And again, I know we

1934
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 19: talked about you guys talk about the last couple of

1935
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 19: shows saying that does he push you over the top?

1936
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 19: I wouldn't say necessarily, but I think he's a good

1937
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 19: additional piece to the offense.

1938
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 3: I can't I'd rather have them get a tackle than

1939
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook.

1940
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 6: Well, I agree. I mean, yeah, there's as Dan no doubt,

1941
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 6: flat out don't want tackles, but I don't want Dalvin Cook.

1942
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 6: I think that to me signals like we're gonna like

1943
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 6: line up with two tight ends and we're gonna rotate

1944
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 6: the backs and we're gonna play smash mouth football and

1945
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 6: we're gonna run Stevenson and Cook all day.

1946
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 3: What would you get the giants of Sequon Barkley.

1947
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 6: It's tough, nothing, nothing.

1948
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 5: He's also injury prone, like he hasn't been the same

1949
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 5: since his first year.

1950
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 4: I mean, I I I wouldn't be opposed to Dalvin Cook.

1951
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 4: It will be fine. I get what Paul's saying though,

1952
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 4: but I mean, I I just think for me at

1953
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 4: this point, I just want to see the young guys play.

1954
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 4: I want to see young guys get a chance and

1955
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 4: and see if they can do something with it, because

1956
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 4: that's what I don't think signing Dalvin Cook solves the problem.

1957
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 4: But I think if Pierre Strong gets a bunch of

1958
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 4: playing time and plays really well this year, that solves

1959
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 4: the problem. That solves the problem. You know, I don't know.

1960
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,759
Speaker 6: If Kevin Harris and Pierre Strong are really good players,

1961
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 6: that's how you get out of this yep. Exactly like

1962
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 6: draft picks that play and perform, YEP.

1963
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 4: So the more of that the better, as you know,

1964
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 4: as I see it, and you know, Poul Justic go

1965
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 4: back to your point too, It's like the offense is

1966
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 4: what it is, and I feel like you're you're you're

1967
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 4: touching on it with the defense, and I've really been

1968
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 4: thinking about it. It's like, you know, it's just it

1969
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 4: feels like guys like Judeon, guys like Phillips, guys that

1970
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 4: they actually did find in free agency that we're able

1971
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 4: to perform and and and carry this defense. They're kind

1972
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 4: of peaking right now. Like like it's it's kind of passing,

1973
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 4: like you're not gonna get another level of Jude on

1974
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 4: this year probably at He's probably gonna be this is

1975
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 4: it about as good? So you know it's that's staring

1976
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 4: you in the face. So I I totally get your

1977
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 4: your your.

1978
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 6: Point, and I go back to like my logical. Like

1979
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 6: Kansas City, they couldn't stop Philly in the Super Bowl.

1980
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 6: They didn't stop them all day. They found a way

1981
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 6: to win the game. Why because they want to shootout.

1982
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 6: They were a little fortunate, but they had the taped

1983
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 6: they had the capabilities of winning a shootout. Yeah, you know,

1984
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 6: And I just think that if you want to beat

1985
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 6: the really good teams, you have to be prepared to

1986
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 6: be in the thirties. You can't hope they have a

1987
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 6: bad day, and.

1988
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 2: You can't hope you're going to have two pick sixes. Yeah,

1989
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: like you can't you can't help. Yeah, you can't hope

1990
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: that your defense is going to.

1991
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 5: Squire that one.

1992
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 4: And that's what it always was with the Pats, right,

1993
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 4: I mean it's if they always needed a stop or

1994
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,759
Speaker 4: a drive or both, and they got all those big games.

1995
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 3: Johnson Duxbury, Hey, John.

1996
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 21: Gle Okay, Hey, while I agree with Paul talking about

1997
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 21: godchild those stupid contracting times, the thing that really annoys

1998
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 21: me is when.

1999
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 24: Ay he gets in a spitting contest with the big

2000
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 24: best players, and b he get somebody like a when

2001
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 24: who shot money for four years and then he doesn't

2002
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 24: resign him. That's that's not roster building to be, that's

2003
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 24: just playing musical tears with the roster, yep, and substituting

2004
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 24: in and out play it so you never get better,

2005
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 24: you just stay the same.

2006
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 6: Yeah to me, that would be That would be dugger

2007
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 6: like when you to me is an example of a

2008
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 6: position they have actually resigned. They resigned Mason and they

2009
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 6: resigned Tony, and I think in both cases they were

2010
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 6: kind of mistakes.

2011
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 24: What you play two positions, they don't have anyone like that.

2012
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 6: But you can only play one one at a time.

2013
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 6: It's not like you don't fill two holes with He

2014
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 6: can get moved over, I know, but you can. It's

2015
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 6: still only one of your alignments, right, Like, yes, like

2016
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 6: you had Jack Mason on a big money extension, you

2017
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 6: had Tony on the franchise tag. That's way too much

2018
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 6: money to be spending on interior offensive linemen if it

2019
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 6: prevents you from doing other things. Now, some teams you

2020
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 6: could do that and they won't prevent you from signing

2021
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 6: DeAndre Hopkins too. If we were going to do that,

2022
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 6: then I'm all for it. Re sign Everybody didn't have

2023
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 6: a problem.

2024
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 24: Signing the who's the guy they like go to Kansas.

2025
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 6: City Tony.

2026
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't seem to have a problem.

2027
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then they just let it Orlando Brown go.

2028
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 6: They but they just you know, like you there's only

2029
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 6: so much money you're going to invest in that because

2030
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 6: you need competence there. You don't need dominance.

2031
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 4: I'm with you on the guard.

2032
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 6: You can't have a terrible offensive line, but you don't

2033
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 6: have to have like the best, I mean on paper.

2034
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 6: One of the most expensive and talented offensive lines in

2035
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 6: football last year was the Colts, and they were terrible.

2036
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I totally agree on and when you know,

2037
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 4: it's just it's without Chain Dugger and I like them

2038
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 4: and they're good players, but they're not like it's not

2039
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 4: like Judeon emerged from the draft and he's getting ready

2040
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 4: to be a free agent, you know, like right true,

2041
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 4: like like and we want Dugger to be that guy.

2042
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 6: If you have to say right now, Yet, if you

2043
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 6: have to say right now, what do you think there's

2044
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,759
Speaker 6: a better chance of those Let's take those three guys, Dougger,

2045
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 6: when uch better chance that they resign all three or

2046
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 6: just one of the things, just.

2047
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 4: One, one hundred percent, just one.

2048
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 21: I don't know.

2049
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I think the best that you've resigned, Dougger,

2050
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 4: and that's at best, and that's if they resign any

2051
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 4: of them, Like I mean with I think it's gonna

2052
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 4: be the Yeah, you're a third down guy, we can

2053
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,520
Speaker 4: draft another third down guy. And I don't necessarily disagree.

2054
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,839
Speaker 4: I really like josh Ucha as a guy and his progression,

2055
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 4: and you know, it's almost like more goes back to

2056
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 4: what I was saying of establishing a hierarchy and a

2057
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 4: culture of guys who are here that we drafted, that

2058
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 4: played well, that were rewarded and are now the team's lead.

2059
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 6: Interesting to see how that.

2060
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 5: I just don't get why you wouldn't invest in what

2061
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 5: you have poured into, like you have poured so much

2062
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 5: time into into developing these guys, especially the ones that

2063
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 5: are like great on the field and off the field.

2064
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 5: It's like, why would you not keep them.

2065
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,600
Speaker 4: Right well, like teacher Quiz is, like, you know, like

2066
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 4: that's their example because he's amazing off the field, you know,

2067
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 4: and he's he's a pretty good guy, like you know,

2068
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 4: I mean, they had a breakout yere last year, but

2069
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 4: it's you know, one of those guys that they can

2070
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 4: get on their terms. And you know, I just I

2071
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 4: wonder what it's like when you actually are staring down

2072
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 4: the barrel of a player that you feel like is

2073
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 4: an absolute must resign. And as much as people want

2074
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 4: to say that Kyle Dugar is an absolute must resign,

2075
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 4: I don't see him quite in that level.

2076
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 6: Just I would agree with you, Mike, you know, I

2077
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 6: agree with you. I like Doug Alive.

2078
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 4: What's it look like when Christian Gonzalez finishes his year

2079
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 4: five and it's like, all right, you drafted him at

2080
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 4: twenty one, he's twenty six, He's got you know, seven

2081
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 4: eight years left? What now you know? And I don't

2082
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 4: know if it's to be in the same position now,

2083
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 4: but that The.

2084
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 6: Only thing about Douger is like I keep talking about

2085
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 6: Phillips is probably this is probably it for him. Pepper

2086
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 6: signed a two year deal yep. So if you're looking

2087
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four of you know, no Dougger, no Phillips,

2088
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 6: Peppers in this last year, maybe you know you better

2089
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,719
Speaker 6: hope mop who really panned out Josh Bledsoe.

2090
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also wondering, like.

2091
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 5: What it would be like if Bill wasn't GM and

2092
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 5: head coach, Like I kind of wish he there was

2093
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 5: a separation, no way, so that someone like I feel

2094
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 5: like there needs to be someone to like step in

2095
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 5: and say, like we are doing this, like it's in

2096
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:22,520
Speaker 5: terms of the roster.

2097
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 4: You know, I like there'd be a napkin come out

2098
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 4: and something quickly written on it.

2099
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 6: I agree with that, But I also think that they're

2100
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 6: related because I think that he the reason he believes

2101
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 6: what he believes from a personnel side is because he

2102
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 6: caters to his coaching style. So I think there's still

2103
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 6: related in a lot of ways. I'm not sure like

2104
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 6: if you had different players that it would look all

2105
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 6: that different, because I think you would coach it the

2106
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 6: same way.

2107
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 3: Jeff and Brooklyn writes, and it's really hard to judge

2108
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 3: that this player is worth it and this player isn't,

2109
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 3: and this player will save the season, et cetera. Obviously

2110
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 3: there are a handful of historic players who can elevate

2111
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 3: the entire team, but only a handful. I really wanted

2112
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 3: Hopkins too, but my desires are in a vacuum. Maybe

2113
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 3: it wasn't the right fit. Where in life is there

2114
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 3: not a price you are willing to pay in a

2115
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: price you aren't. This is not to say that all

2116
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 3: of your points and concerns aren't valid. In the past

2117
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 3: few seasons haven't been brutal, but I don't want to

2118
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 3: disregard Bill's strategy for the overall concept of football and team.

2119
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 3: I just think there are a lot of factors beyond

2120
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 3: a singular player's skill set at a certain point of time.

2121
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 6: Can can you tell me what that is? Then, what

2122
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 6: that strategy is, because I mean, I'm willing to listen.

2123
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 6: I'm you know, I'm stubborn, but I'm not stupid. Like

2124
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 6: I'm willing to listen to a plan. I just I

2125
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 6: have not been able to figure out what the plan

2126
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,759
Speaker 6: is post Brady, and I don't.

2127
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 4: Think like the players can tell you either, you know,

2128
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 4: like I mean, like we're just coming off this a season,

2129
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 4: you know, throw everything else before out the window. Last

2130
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 4: season was not acceptable. The way that the team responded

2131
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 4: to the coaching and I mean, I think you could

2132
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 4: hold up nine because you saw behind the scenes a

2133
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 4: little bit as another example of that. But I'd never

2134
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 4: seen anything like that. And I mean that's the stuff

2135
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 4: I love that, you know, the team building and pushing

2136
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 4: the right buttons and all those kind of things. And

2137
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I gotta be honest, it doesn't seem like

2138
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 4: they're pushing the right buttons right now, you know, at

2139
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 4: least up until this point. We'll see what this team

2140
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 4: looks like and what buttons they try to push for them.

2141
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: But it seems it all seems like a trial and error.

2142
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 5: Like every year it's like something else they're experimenting with,

2143
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 5: trying to find the right formula to find success post Brady.

2144
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah see this year. Welcome to the NFL without a

2145
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 3: court of that I know, and no disrespect to Mac,

2146
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah. Robin san Diego via Connecticut, Well,

2147
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't mean it to come out like

2148
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 3: you don't have anybody. We hope we have a go.

2149
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 6: I just don't know I know exactly what.

2150
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 3: Robin san Diego via Connecticut, apologies that this was discussed already,

2151
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 3: but I have an observation in question for the crew.

2152
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 3: Prior to the draft, many of us were waiting to

2153
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 3: see what moves Bill might make and we're left underwhelmed.

2154
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: Then attention went to the draft. Maybe he'sa Flowers, but

2155
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 3: that passed with only some late round picks. After the draft,

2156
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 3: it was Jerry.

2157
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 4: Judy and d Hop talk.

2158
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 3: Long story short, Bill has decided multiple times to not

2159
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 3: significantly upgrade the wide receiver group. Does this crew think

2160
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: Bill believes he can win with this group of wide receivers?

2161
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 3: If so, what's worse Bill punting the position or actually

2162
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 3: thinking this level of talent can compete.

2163
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 5: B Yeah, well, I think he thinks he can coach

2164
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 5: up this level of talent to be able to compete.

2165
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,640
Speaker 4: But I mean, look, he did that. I mean I

2166
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 4: think in his mind, Juju is probably an upgrade on

2167
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,719
Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers, and I think that Gasiki probably is definitely

2168
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 4: going to be an upgrade on John Smith. So you know,

2169
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 4: I know there was almost talk about could they get Judy,

2170
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 4: could they get this guy? I mean, they did do

2171
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 4: a couple things, and I think that that for him

2172
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 4: is enough.

2173
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 5: That's what you know, do you think it could be

2174
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 5: like this could be a measuring stick for mac Jones

2175
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 5: in the sense of, like, I'm not gonna upgrade you

2176
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 5: all the way.

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01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna upgrade you a little bit it from last

2178
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 2: year to see like, you know.

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01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 4: People, I don't know that that's like a psychological warfare.

2180
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 4: Like I just I can't agree too much in itto

2181
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 4: it like because I just I think that he thinks

2182
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 4: that if a quarterback isn't a good system and everybody

2183
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 4: knows what they're doing, and the quarterback knows how to

2184
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 4: make good decisions and get the ball out, that will

2185
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 4: move the ball almost score points. And that's what And

2186
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 4: that's as simple as it as it gets.

2187
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 6: He thinks it's about scheme, not about players. That's what

2188
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 6: worries me. If I have a competent player with a

2189
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 6: competent system, I can move the ball no matter what.

2190
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 6: That's my number one nothing even close to second concern.

2191
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 4: Which is crazy to think then that he put Matt

2192
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 4: Patrician in charge the offense if it's so important.

2193
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 6: To him, you know, like because he doesn't think there's

2194
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 6: anything to it. This is my point. He just thinks,

2195
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 6: just where to die. We're going to tell you what

2196
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 6: to do.

2197
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 4: Just go do it, Just do it? Why don't you

2198
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 4: do it?

2199
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 3: Rick and Dallas, thanks for another great show. I won't

2200
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 3: ask about Hopkins as it's still too depressing to think

2201
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 3: it shows Tannehill and the Titans over Max, So instead

2202
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 3: I'll ask about something mentioned during last week's show. You

2203
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 3: guys were speaking about the relationship between Brady and Belichick

2204
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 3: at the start of his career. All the stories indicated

2205
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 3: Belichick took Brady under his wing and taught him everything

2206
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 3: he needed to know about the QB position, football and

2207
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 3: being a professional. Based on all the reporting, it doesn't

2208
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 3: sound like Mac has the same type of relationship with Belichick.

2209
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 3: My question is this, do you think the perceived animosity

2210
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 3: between quarterback and coaches because Mac doesn't feel he's getting

2211
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 3: the same mentorship. Also, why would Belichick not invest the

2212
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 3: same energy into Mac that he did with Brady.

2213
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 6: Do you ever think maybe Brady deserves more credit than

2214
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 6: you gave him at the time.

2215
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but even Brady said that, you know, he

2216
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 3: did really help me, And so I think it's a

2217
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 3: good question, like from a mentorship, from teaching a guy

2218
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 3: the ropes of playing in the NFL. Take it is

2219
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 3: Belichick giving Mac that attention, and if not, who is like,

2220
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,679
Speaker 3: what back coming into the league can't use that type

2221
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 3: of help. I think they all. I don't care if

2222
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 3: it's Aaron Rodgers.

2223
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 6: He certainly got his rookie year from Josh Yeah.

2224
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Patrick Mahomes. I think every player, especially a quarterback,

2225
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 3: needs somebody taking them under their wing and showing them

2226
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: the ropes of of what the NFL is like and

2227
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 3: how to succeed.

2228
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 5: For sure, you saw that with Daniel Jones. You saw

2229
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 5: that when he didn't have that, and you saw what

2230
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 5: he was able to do last season. So it'd be

2231
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 5: interesting to see in another year under dable what he's

2232
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 5: able to what he's able to do.

2233
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 3: Right, you know? So you know, was was you know,

2234
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 3: Joe Judge was the quarterback coach last year. I mean,

2235
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 3: was he supposed to be doing it? I don't know.

2236
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 3: You know, Paul mentioned Josh McDaniels is a good guy

2237
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 3: to have your first year.

2238
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 6: He certainly had that as a rookie.

2239
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 3: Ye yeah.

2240
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 4: Now he's gone though, you know, so was he still

2241
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 4: afforded you know, like the Tom Bill sit down on Tuesdays? Like,

2242
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 4: you know, is he still afforded that? I think?

2243
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean when Brady came in, he had was Charlie

2244
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 3: Weis's the offensive coordinator right away that first year, you know,

2245
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 3: But I'm sure Belichick did teach Brady a lot and

2246
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of it was through osmosis.

2247
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 3: Brady saw how Belichick was running his team, team first,

2248
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and Brady said, yeah, that makes sense

2249
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 3: to me. That makes sense to me. And Brady was

2250
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 3: his number one ambassador.

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01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 6: And I have no doubt that Brady benefited more, you know,

2252
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:30,560
Speaker 6: like Dick ray Byn his rookie year and Charlie is

2253
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 6: the coordinator and then Bill, you know, at the top.

2254
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 6: But I just I'm sorry if I find it hard

2255
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 6: to believe that like Bill's sabotaging.

2256
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 3: Mac oh, I don't think that.

2257
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 6: Him came in. Bill was just like he was with Brady,

2258
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 6: like he had Josh mcdamis was the offensive coordinator, and

2259
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 6: now he made a decision last year that mac obviously

2260
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 6: didn't agree with, and that caused friction.

2261
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 3: I think I think last year was a mess, a

2262
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 3: monumental mess. And I think Bill probably didn't take long

2263
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 3: for him to realize this is not good. But I've

2264
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 3: made I've made my bed. We now have to sleep

2265
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 3: in it. I think he tried to make it work

2266
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 3: with Judge and Patricia, you know, like I'm not gonna

2267
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 3: butt in. Let them work it out. Hopefully it'll work out.

2268
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that game. I think it was against Minnesota.

2269
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 3: Mac comes over to the sideline because it was a

2270
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 3: critical situation and Bill was standing about twelve feet away

2271
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 3: and I could see him like should I go over there?

2272
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 3: And he didn't get involved in the conversation. I'm like,

2273
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 3: that's not right. What in this situation? What team head

2274
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 3: coach doesn't get involved in the conversation between the quarterback

2275
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:46,719
Speaker 3: and the coordinator? Of course they're there, and he didn't.

2276
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 3: And maybe I'm making too much of it, but to me,

2277
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 3: it was symbolic of like the situation, Like, you know,

2278
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 3: Bill knew it was a bad situation and he didn't

2279
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 3: want to take away from Patricia with the quarterback and

2280
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,560
Speaker 3: then that moment, but he probably should have and it

2281
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 3: was just a mess. It was just a mess and

2282
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 3: it wasn't gonna work.

2283
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 4: This season needs a thirty for thirty, I think, because

2284
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 4: there's just so many I would just love to know

2285
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 4: what was going on behind the scenes, because they've always

2286
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 4: like prided themselves on finding our identity. You know, things

2287
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 4: aren't working. Twenty e team, we're gonna find you know,

2288
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 4: we're gonna go to the heavy run game that we're

2289
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 4: gonna We're gonna, you know, go to, even if it's

2290
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,719
Speaker 4: not what we want to do. We're gonna do whatever's

2291
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 4: best for the team to try to win games. But

2292
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 4: they had nowhere to go, Like, there was no way

2293
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 4: out of that offense once they started it. And I mean,

2294
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 4: I can only if all the amateur analysts like us

2295
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 4: are watching them, seeing how bad it is, how how

2296
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 4: many stupid mistakes, how many things that you never saw

2297
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,680
Speaker 4: around here, then you know what it's like when he's

2298
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 4: putting it up on the big board down the hall

2299
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 4: and they're talking to like, I mean, he must have

2300
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 4: been absolutely beside himself, but there was no way out

2301
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 4: of it. So I just and then how is it

2302
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 4: all gonna translate into this year? And now it's like,

2303
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 4: oh God, now we're just gonna put Bill Bryant, you

2304
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 4: go just deal with this like I don't. But I

2305
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 4: hope that he's helping. I hope he's having these meetings

2306
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 4: with Mac and that he's passing on his knowledge and

2307
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 4: all those things that you know, are most valuable to

2308
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 4: the player. You know, I I just but I'm with Paul.

2309
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 4: The people that you know go like above the he's

2310
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 4: just trying to like rig things so that it you know,

2311
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 4: like just despite everyone or you know, like he's not

2312
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 4: getting good players lose games.

2313
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 3: Just the people saying he's just doing it to break

2314
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 3: through his record, well, that's not helping them break record.

2315
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 6: Well, and the other the other part of like the

2316
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 6: whole Mac thing and how these personnel moves tied. Like,

2317
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 6: so the argument is that you need to get as

2318
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 6: much weaponry around Mac to see what you have. Well,

2319
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 6: doesn't that kind of go to the Bill thing that

2320
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 6: we complain about, Like Bill thinks it doesn't really matter

2321
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 6: the quarterback doesn't really matter because you get it. Well,

2322
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 6: that's kind of you kind of want him to do

2323
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 6: it his way.

2324
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 3: You got to have somebody that's good.

2325
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:55,679
Speaker 6: Well, I'm talking about the argument that you you can't

2326
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 6: find out about Mac Jones because you have DeVante Parker

2327
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 6: and Juju Smith Schuster and Hunter Henry and Mike those

2328
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 6: aren't NFL players.

2329
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 3: And I think they they said at the very top

2330
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 3: of the show they believe and I think they believe

2331
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 3: they are too. I think they do. You know, I

2332
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 3: think they've underperformed and we'll see what happens with Bill.

2333
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 6: But my argument is always I fall back on, like, Okay, yeah,

2334
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 6: you can stack it and make sure you have a

2335
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 6: star at every spot around your quarterback. What do I

2336
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 6: need the quarterback for now? Like, there's nobody in the

2337
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 6: league that has that, that has a terrible player playing quarterback,

2338
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 6: but just stars all around him and they're they're great.

2339
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 5: Like No.

2340
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 6: Two is okay, and he's lifted by talent around him. Sure,

2341
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 6: but he's good, but he's good. Yeah, Rock Purty Rich

2342
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 6: and maybe maybe Brock Purdy that might be.

2343
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 4: The test of it.

2344
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 3: But Rich in New York City. I think at the

2345
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 3: end of the day, De Hop and Bill O'Brien wouldn't

2346
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 3: have gotten along even if the Patriots paid him. O'Brien

2347
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 3: made the comment about Aaron Hernandez in Houston when talking

2348
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 3: to d Hop right before the trade to Arizona. That's

2349
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 3: something that's tough to forget. I don't know what that

2350
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:58,600
Speaker 3: comment was.

2351
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 6: What he said. He didn't he's seen signs of going

2352
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 6: down in Aaron Hernandez road or something like that. That's

2353
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 6: pretty that's what caused the whole do you guys not reading?

2354
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was Mari he was taking steroids.

2355
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 6: He didn't take steroids until he got to Arizona.

2356
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know.

2357
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 6: He was worried about Hopkins off the field and crowd,

2358
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 6: and Hopkins got really offended by it and demanded a trade.

2359
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 6: Like that's how that whole thing is something I mean interesting.

2360
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 6: That's basically the gist of it. I'm not giving you

2361
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 6: any detail, but yeah, there was Aaron. The email was right,

2362
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 6: there was an Aaron Hernandez comment that really got under Hopkins' skin.

2363
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 3: So how do you get over that?

2364
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 6: Well, supposedly if you want to believe these stories, which

2365
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 6: I'm believing that original story. So there's no reason to

2366
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 6: believe these stories that have come out since about Hopkins

2367
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 6: that they've worked past that and have no problems, right, Yeah, Like,

2368
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 6: if you really thought that Hopkins wouldn't play for O'Brien,

2369
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 6: why would he come here? Yeah?

2370
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 2: Why would he come visit already?

2371
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 4: Even visit like you know what Bill?

2372
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 6: I mean, I've come to play for you, but you

2373
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 6: have an offensive coordinator.

2374
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 3: I go on the visit. It'll help your market.

2375
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 4: Never rule money.

2376
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 6: If I hate a guy and I'm not playing for him, now,

2377
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 6: don't go through the motions can do The show of

2378
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 6: the Patriots ever helped the market, But well, you don't

2379
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 6: want to drive it down.

2380
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 3: You don't just want one team bidding on you, because

2381
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:24,640
Speaker 3: then it's not a bid, then it's you know, you

2382
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 3: want to get at least two teams.

2383
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 6: I believe the stories that have come out that said

2384
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 6: that they have moved past that and would have no problem.

2385
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard that story too. It seems like, but

2386
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 3: you don't know where that story came from, Paul what

2387
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 3: story that they've moved past it?

2388
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 6: But like I believe, Like I don't know where the

2389
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 6: other Aaron Hernandez story came from either.

2390
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 3: I believe, but I believe.

2391
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Do we believe that Mac Jones can move past what

2392
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 2: happened less?

2393
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

2394
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 6: Yes, Like I don't. I don't believe that that was

2395
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 6: an impediment in this contract negotiation. Let's put it that way.

2396
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 3: I do believe Mac can move past last year. I

2397
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 3: at least I hear it in his voice, I see

2398
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 3: it in his body language. I think he can.

2399
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 4: I think he can't too, But I think I want

2400
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 4: to see how you're actually I.

2401
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 6: Think he can't too. I have not seen it in

2402
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 6: his voice, and I have not seen it in his

2403
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 6: body language. But I do believe he can move past it.

2404
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and I get what they're saying, though,

2405
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 4: like I just, I mean, I've said it before. I like,

2406
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 4: you know, just he's handling himself better at the podium generally.

2407
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 4: I mean, whether that translates to the field is to

2408
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 4: be seen. But it's like any football season, it's, you know,

2409
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 4: how do you handle the adversity, and it's you know,

2410
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 4: it's not going to be a seventeen and o season.

2411
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 4: It might be a rough start, they might.

2412
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 6: Get pounded right out of the gate, you know, but

2413
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 6: when the first sentence of your meeting with the twenty

2414
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 6: twenty three Patriots media is it's much better than last

2415
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 6: year or something of that effect, I'm sorry.

2416
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 4: He ain't moved past it, no, And that's and that's

2417
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 4: something that they might have to deal with too. I mean,

2418
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 4: I think he will that. You know, they got to

2419
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 4: get into this team's identity, this team's problems and start

2420
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 4: to work through that stuff because if they don't get

2421
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 4: that shadow last season, and it's easy to do, I mean,

2422
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:04,600
Speaker 4: we do it. You know, we did it today. We

2423
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 4: do a lot of shows. All of a sudden, you're

2424
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 4: just sitting here scratching your head of like what the

2425
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 4: hell did they do with twenty twenty two?

2426
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 6: But the buzzer was normal? Normal, right, right, seems pretty good.

2427
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 6: It's normally good.

2428
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 3: It's normal. And that was the first thing he said.

2429
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 4: It's an offensive coordinator teaching me the offense that he knows,

2430
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:19,479
Speaker 4: and I'm running it.

2431
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 6: And that's why I think it'll work, because I think

2432
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 6: ultimately he's going to get to that stage it is like, okay,

2433
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 6: now we're now I've been in this for three months,

2434
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 6: right now, you don't have that here's camp. Okay, this

2435
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 6: is we're back in an NFL offense. Yeah, yes, that's

2436
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 6: why I think he'll get past it. But I'm not

2437
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 6: judging on his words and I'm not judging on his

2438
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:40,000
Speaker 6: body language, because I don't think either one of those

2439
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 6: things were great in the spring. Oh I thought I

2440
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 6: thought he was fine when he's talking about it's normal.

2441
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah he can get Yeah, that's that's part of it.

2442
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 3: That over it, it's over, But like that's part of it, Like, yeah,

2443
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 3: this is better, this is good. So it's a it's

2444
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,599
Speaker 3: a process to get over it. Now, Like you said,

2445
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 3: ultimately I like him not if they come out last year,

2446
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 3: they come out stinking, you know, and they are zero

2447
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 3: and three and the offense is putting up twelve points

2448
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 3: a game. You know, the s could hit the fan.

2449
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 3: But you know, right now, I think he can get

2450
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 3: over it.

2451
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 6: What do you think it would have to be for

2452
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 6: Bailey ZAPPI to play?

2453
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 4: I mean interceptions.

2454
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 3: I think, you know, hitting guys in the back of

2455
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 3: the helmet, throwing the ball the wrong way down the field,

2456
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 3: like like what happened last year.

2457
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 6: I think it would have to be that bad.

2458
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, four games.

2459
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:28,600
Speaker 3: I think you gotta stick with this guy. You got to.

2460
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 3: You gotta stick with Mac. I mean, if you if

2461
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,960
Speaker 3: you take imagine that, you know, whatever it is that

2462
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,679
Speaker 3: has to happen, and you take Mac out, it's week

2463
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 3: five and he gets benched. What are we doing now?

2464
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 6: You gotta be careful if.

2465
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 5: You end up. I wouldn't be mad if we saw

2466
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 5: not Bailey Zappy, but another quarterback come in for like

2467
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 5: specific plays.

2468
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 6: No, you're thinking the other guy, he's a wide receiver.

2469
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be mad at that.

2470
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, i'd be furious. Well, now you're talking about a

2471
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 3: whole new offense as well.

2472
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 2: But not all the time.

2473
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 4: Just you know a couple.

2474
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 6: Can I just play? Can I play?

2475
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 3: You want to play?

2476
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 4: You want to get nuts, Let's get nuts, Let's get nuts.

2477
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 6: What if we're just wrong? What if we're all wrong

2478
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 6: about what that is? That's I don't know, but that guy.

2479
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 6: But what if he's better than we think he is?

2480
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 6: What if we're all wrong? It has happened before you.

2481
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 2: Know, I know what's the guy's name from the forty

2482
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 2: nine ers.

2483
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 3: Rock Purty bro.

2484
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 6: Everybody likes to tell me when I'm wrong, like, and

2485
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 6: I have no problem admitting it. What if I'm wrong?

2486
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 6: What if we're all wrong about Zappie? See him?

2487
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 3: Then then I'll be happily wrong. But but what wrong

2488
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 3: is he gets a chance to play?

2489
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 6: But it's like, well, what are we doing if we

2490
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 6: take him out after like four or five weeks? Well

2491
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 6: maybe the other guy's better.

2492
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 3: No, but we're wrong. I'm just saying, hope, pray to

2493
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 3: God that that's true. Because you're done with Mac right,

2494
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 3: Matt's done.

2495
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 6: Well, you wouldn't make a move that's not injury related

2496
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 6: if you didn't think he was done. Oh, you're not

2497
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 6: going to take him out unless you don't think he's No.

2498
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying he gets benched because of performance.

2499
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 6: Yes, but but maybe in concert with that is the

2500
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 6: other guy is playing better than him in practice, and

2501
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 6: I want to see what it looks like with the

2502
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 6: other guy. Yeah, again, we would have to be wrong

2503
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 6: in that scenario. Do you think, like, we don't think

2504
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 6: that Zappi is any good?

2505
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 3: Right?

2506
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 6: We just think he's a backup. Maybe we're wrong.

2507
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 4: I just think Mac has to get like because it's

2508
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 4: not going to be an excuse last year. He can't

2509
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 4: be mad about last year anymore. It's not you know,

2510
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 4: like like the like it's got he got to bury

2511
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 4: that or else. Do you think like I mean that

2512
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 4: now we're getting down the road.

2513
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait, but do you think so? I know,

2514
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 5: what if zap is better in practice, but like politics tell.

2515
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 2: You that you need to start.

2516
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 3: Well, No, now we're talking about two thousand and one.

2517
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 3: Brady was according to legend, Brady was better in practice

2518
01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 3: and they were seeing signs.

2519
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 6: But that's different. Though about bled Cell lost his job

2520
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 6: because of injury. I know that's fine, but but but

2521
01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 6: I'm talking about just playing I but.

2522
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 3: Hear me out though. I legend has it, you know,

2523
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,719
Speaker 3: whether you want to call it revisionist or twenty twenty

2524
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:09,600
Speaker 3: in hindsight. But you know, Belichick, people have said that

2525
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 3: they thought that Brady might be the best quarterback on

2526
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 3: this team. And they said that before he said that.

2527
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,679
Speaker 3: They may never have made They said that before Bledsoe

2528
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 3: got hurt and it was just inevitable.

2529
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 6: Charlie Weiss told me that we I said, when would

2530
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 6: you have made the move? He said, we may never

2531
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:26,600
Speaker 6: have made that.

2532
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 4: We may never have I bled Yeah, see, I feel

2533
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 4: like that could happen.

2534
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 3: But that was different. They had just given Bledsoe one

2535
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 3: hundred million dollar content that was huge at that time.

2536
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not the case with Mac.

2537
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 6: Money is the cap was so constrictive that they treated

2538
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 6: him the next year.

2539
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so amazed they were paying this guy all the money.

2540
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 6: You know the cap was even crap.

2541
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 4: Then well it's I mean, there's no comparison to Mac

2542
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 4: and Bledsoe. But you know, I just haven't seen anything

2543
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 4: out as happy and I would welcome it if did.

2544
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 3: I've seen things out of zappy couples. I think he

2545
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 3: makes quick decisions. I think he gets the ball out

2546
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:09,920
Speaker 3: of his hand quickly, you know.

2547
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 6: I think, so, what if he's better than Mac? That's

2548
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 6: my question. What if we're wrong and he's better than Mac,

2549
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 6: then that's good for the patron I think you got to.

2550
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if they really believed it, I would say

2551
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 4: trade Mac cam Yeah, get rid of Mac and then

2552
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 4: just go with it.

2553
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 5: You know.

2554
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well that ain't gonna happen. Why they're not gonna

2555
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 6: trade Mac in camp? I just said it. He literally

2556
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 6: just said, well then you know they had come to

2557
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 6: that conclusion, but.

2558
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:36,840
Speaker 3: You're not gonna trade Mac, gonna realize that Zappi is

2559
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 3: better until at the end of the until the seasons progressed.

2560
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 4: All right. So I'm trying to play right here with

2561
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 4: Paul's little games, making sure I got my facts right.

2562
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 6: Well, it'll be like if we I mean, there are

2563
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 6: no rules. It's silly, you know.

2564
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 3: Like people said that they saw in practice in training

2565
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 3: camp that Brady's really good.

2566
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 6: Did you remember that, Paul, but not better than bled something?

2567
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 6: He was much improved. He passed over Damon here.

2568
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were four quarterbacks in the roster back then,

2569
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 3: A three. I thought it was four his rookie year,

2570
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 3: there were four. Yeah, anyway, he leaped for everybody to

2571
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 3: be the number two. But like, and I'm just being

2572
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 3: honest here, maybe I just wasn't paying attention to this

2573
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 3: guy named Tom Brady back then. But I usually just

2574
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 3: watch you, right, I mean there was no like this guy.

2575
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 6: No, but Brady was noticeably bad. I agree better, but

2576
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 6: I agree with I'd never thought of him as right.

2577
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 3: Right, And those who say that, oh I saw it then,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Well, how often did you guys clock a backup quarterback

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01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 4: when Brady was the guy. Were there any any guys

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Speaker 4: that you remember being like, oh, he looks pretty good.

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Speaker 6: When Brady was the guy. The only guy whoever looked

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01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 6: like he had a Monica lovability was Garoppolo. Yeah, and

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Speaker 6: that was not apparent ideally.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: But the thing I think about a Gropplo that impressed

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01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 3: me right away was his release. He got rid of them,

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01:56:56,200 --> 01:57:00,200
Speaker 3: not thinking, I mean just his physical physical hell the

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01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 3: ball forever, but he did because rookie his rookie year,

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01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 3: held the ball forever around. It was always he had

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01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 3: no decisive.

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Speaker 6: And he played in the preseason games and he was like,

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01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 6: it was like totally different guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but his release, you know, his quick release is

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01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 3: half the time of Brady. You know, there was no

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01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 3: wind up stood.

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Speaker 6: Most of the guys behind Brady were not impressive in practice.

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01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean nobody that like caught your eye and

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01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 4: was like because I mean even I mean, were you

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01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 4: ever there with blood cell though, I mean you weren't

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01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 4: realistically considering that anything was going to throw him too?

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Speaker 6: To Fred's point, like, yeah, we thought that Brady might

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01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 6: have gotten better from.

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01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 3: But no one ever was the kid that had a

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01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 3: few highlights Michael Bishop, No, no, no, no, we were like,

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01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 3: this guy could be the backup. Hispanic name, Come on,

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01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 3: macdudieris yeah, Judyerras. No, there was a time said oh

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01:57:59,000 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 3: he could.

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Speaker 6: Only reason why the only reason why he made the

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01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,880
Speaker 6: team was because that was the that Brady towards a

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01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:05,240
Speaker 6: c L.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we were I remember we were saying, oh,

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01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,560
Speaker 3: maybe he could be number two, and.

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01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 4: He turned out he was number two.

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01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was number two behind Castle, right right, you

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01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 6: know what I mean, number two. But he wouldn't have

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01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 6: made the team if Brady didn't get hurt. They would

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01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,640
Speaker 6: have just he was crap. They would have had Brady

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01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:24,879
Speaker 6: in Castle.

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01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:27,879
Speaker 3: All right, No, there was really nobody.

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01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 6: Rohan Davey had some moments in season. It didn't look

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01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 6: didn't I totally agree. I was like, I can't have

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01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 6: my quarterback looking like a linebacker.

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01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:41,280
Speaker 3: And who was it O'Connell that they drafted.

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01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 6: Kevin O'Connell was the guy was really high on. But

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01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 6: in practice, yeah, he couldn't complete the little swing. Mallett

2627
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 6: was like that too. He couldn't complete the little swing

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01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 6: passes in.

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01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 4: Practice, which is probably only which is.

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01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:53,600
Speaker 3: All they ever run.

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Speaker 6: You've been enough enough practices.

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01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 3: All right. That's going to do it for this edition

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Speaker 3: of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday with another edition.

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Speaker 3: we'll be live Wednesday, Thursday, Friday next week, so that's exciting.

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