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Speaker 1: M coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage

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Speaker 1: Campus in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily on

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Speaker 1: eight SP in Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Ziggura. All right, let's do a live on

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Speaker 1: a reaction Monday edition of the program. Nick Chubb is

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Speaker 1: really good. He is really really good. And the performances

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Speaker 1: that you're getting out of him on a Sunday inn

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. Um, it's a marvel to watch him play.

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Speaker 1: It sucks that we lose among amidst this because we're

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Speaker 1: doing the things that if you go back to August

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Speaker 1: and say, if you do these things, would you win,

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Speaker 1: you would say on it quivocally yes, if you scored

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Speaker 1: twenty eight points like you do. You know, maybe not

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Speaker 1: against his Chargers team because they are so explosive, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't their pass game that hurt you, as their

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a billion reasons why this stings, but

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Speaker 1: you are getting historic play at a Nick Chubb, who

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Speaker 1: has established himself as the best running back in football

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Speaker 1: by a very decent margin, and it's not manifesting and wins,

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Speaker 1: and it's salt wastings every single Sunday. Man, it's being wasted.

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb right now number one in the league in

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Speaker 1: rushing yards five number one in the league, and rushing

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Speaker 1: twenty and the Browns are two and three despite having

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Speaker 1: by all metrics and elite offense, an elite offense, an

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Speaker 1: offense that produced twenty eight in this one, an offense

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Speaker 1: that should have produced thirty one, thirty four, thirty seven

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Speaker 1: then the Jacoby per said interception down there. And it's

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Speaker 1: a team that unfortunately is shooting itself in the foot.

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Speaker 1: Our defense is a mess. We will talk about that

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Speaker 1: and nauseum. There was a move that was made in

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Speaker 1: response to the defense being a mess. And I said

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Speaker 1: it last week all week, we are not talking enough

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Speaker 1: about Anthony Walker Jr's injury, and folks, what you have

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Speaker 1: seen since Anthony Walker Jr. Left this lineup is complete

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Speaker 1: chaos on the second level of our defense. Inexcusably bad

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Speaker 1: allowed him to make sure that those around him, young

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Speaker 1: so he was able to not only be good himself,

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Speaker 1: way that a great point guard does or a great

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Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't. As the quarterback of the defense, that's what

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Speaker 1: he was able to do. And when he has not

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Speaker 1: been there, you have seen what has happened as a result.

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Speaker 1: I said this on the broadcast yesterday. Two things that

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Speaker 1: the season. He rushed for a hundred and seventy three.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers had rushed for two hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 1: yards in four NFL games in the year two. They

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Speaker 1: ran for two hundred and thirty eight yesterday. That is

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Speaker 1: too easy. You actually did a pretty good job, all

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Speaker 1: things considered, against Justin Herbert. You would take that stant

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Speaker 1: line if I told you on Friday, a touchdown, you

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Speaker 1: say win, win, win, dog, that's a win. And and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately we are losing games that we should be winning

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again. It's happened three times.

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Speaker 1: in a rough predicament going forward. And now we can

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Speaker 1: If you had said to me we would be the

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Speaker 1: We will be able to talk about some people that

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Speaker 1: But overall, it feels like it is a defense without

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much you I know you're not

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Speaker 1: and it's painful. UM. And we certainly feel your pain

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Speaker 1: same evaluation that the Browns have. Yeah, because they just

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Speaker 1: He's an excellent coverage linebacker. He's an excellent run defending linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He's a stud at LSU. They knew that what they

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, but he's you gotta hit it,

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Speaker 1: something absurd. But he's I think he's nineteen and nine

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Speaker 1: drafted York not to be the best kicker in the

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Speaker 1: eight three nine nine. Um, give me wants to know

442
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Speaker 1: who shouldn't we be angry with today? We kind of

443
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Speaker 1: led the show with Nick Chubb, but not nothe off here.

444
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Speaker 1: There's a lot to like. You mentioned the defensive players.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it for me. This is

446
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Speaker 1: what makes it so troubling and painful because it's not

447
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 1: like this is stunning incompetence. In fact, we are very

448
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Speaker 1: very competent and a great many things, including almost everything

449
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Speaker 1: offensively everything. We're very very competent and actually among the

450
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Speaker 1: best in the league, and a lot of it. It's

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Speaker 1: clutch it's some special teams gaps, and it's a defense

452
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Speaker 1: that does not know what it that is unable to

453
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Speaker 1: fix what it's bad at too many big plays that

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Speaker 1: you're right, unable to make adjustments in the game to

455
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Speaker 1: stop the bleeding. But who are we not mad? Who

456
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Speaker 1: are you won't angry with? You can't be mad at

457
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Speaker 1: the offense at all, none of it. And I know

458
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Speaker 1: that there are people you can maybe question a call

459
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Speaker 1: here or there. But for the most part, Kevin's fancy

460
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: called a flawless game. He did a tremendous job putting

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Speaker 1: our offense in position to succeed. We put up points,

462
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Speaker 1: We moved the football. I mean, folks, you're talking about

463
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Speaker 1: a team you threw for two thirty and ran for

464
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Speaker 1: You average seven yards a carry on thirty one carries,

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Speaker 1: thirty four at quarterback. I mean, it's I don't know

466
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Speaker 1: what more you could expect out of the out of

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Speaker 1: this situation. You had twenty seven first downs and faced

468
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Speaker 1: ten third downs. Think about that, seventeen times you got

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Speaker 1: a first down without even getting the third down. On

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Speaker 1: first or second down, you average seven yards a play.

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Speaker 1: You put up four hundred and forty three yards of offense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's winning football, without question, that's winning football. You're three

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Speaker 1: or four turning red zone trips into touchdowns, two of

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Speaker 1: two on goal to go. They were two of four

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Speaker 1: on goal to go two a four. We were two

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Speaker 1: a two. So I'll say it. The entire offensive line

477
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Speaker 1: excellent again. Pass catchers n Joku, Cooper, Donovan, People's Jones

478
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Speaker 1: all excellent. Out out to David Bell not going to

479
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Speaker 1: show up in the statue, but on Jacobe Briset's big

480
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: scramble for a first down, David Bell with a great

481
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: block down the field, great block down the field to

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Speaker 1: help spring him there. Obviously. Nick Chubb sublime the best.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I know we're keeping him fresh, but

484
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: I feel like he's got to be at twenty touches

485
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: a game, period, end of story. Yeah, I was thinking

486
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Speaker 1: about that yesterday. You know, this was I thought before

487
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Speaker 1: this season, and I know it would be difficult because

488
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Speaker 1: of Kareem, but I did wonder if this was an

489
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Speaker 1: eight yard Nick Chubb type years, what would be required?

490
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Speaker 1: And I do I think that we need to be

491
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Speaker 1: you certainly are. I do think with Chub like last series,

492
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Speaker 1: I know that Kareem is a better pass blocker. But

493
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna run up, if you're gonna run it,

494
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Speaker 1: then I want twenty four. And I acknowledge how great

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Speaker 1: Kareem is. I'm not always he's just such a threat.

496
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Speaker 1: It just he's such a one cut go and then

497
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: can make you miss in the whole he's shifting. He's

498
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: the best running back in football. And he just should

499
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Speaker 1: be on the fee old in the fourth down, in

500
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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter when drives in the games are on

501
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Speaker 1: the line. Absolutely absolutely, and then going back, like I said,

502
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Speaker 1: the Joku three straight games over seventy yards, six for

503
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Speaker 1: eighty eight on six targets, caught every target, big catch

504
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Speaker 1: down near the goal line. He made big catches on

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Speaker 1: the sideline. He like what they paid him to be. Yes,

506
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Speaker 1: he looks like a legit tight end. Jacoby again thirty

507
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Speaker 1: the touchdown. Operated this offensive effectively. By the way, wasn't sacked.

508
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Speaker 1: Wasn't sacked once in this game? Jacoby said, no, sex

509
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Speaker 1: we were credited with a sack on the play when

510
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Speaker 1: Herbert ran out of bounds for a one yard loss.

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Speaker 1: I think Jacob Phillips was actually credited with as the

512
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Speaker 1: nearest defender um. But look offensively. Nothing to complain about

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Speaker 1: defensively up front. I'll start up front. No issues with

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Speaker 1: what I saw from Jadevian Clowney yesterday, none whatsoever. I

515
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Speaker 1: thought he was all over the place, team high five

516
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Speaker 1: quarterback pressures. Uh. He was dominant in the run game.

517
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Speaker 1: He had four stops, tackles for losses. He was all

518
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Speaker 1: over the field, and I thought that he was the

519
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: one guy that it felt like played the run the best.

520
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: I thought he was excellent. Miles didn't have the sacks,

521
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: he didn't have the gaudy numbers. Still, he was so

522
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: close so many times that justin Herbert and his pressure

523
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: forcing incompletion on what should have been a touchdown to

524
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Speaker 1: Josh Palmer where they had to settle for a field

525
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Speaker 1: goal on one of those. That's it. Up front. Your

526
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: defensive tackles have got to be better. They They've got

527
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Speaker 1: to be better. Alex Wright was supposed to be brought

528
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: along slowly. He's been thrust into a fire that I

529
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: don't know that he's totally ready for at this point,

530
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Speaker 1: perry On saying, think perry On flashes great plays, but

531
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Speaker 1: then will be completely wildly out of his gap the

532
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Speaker 1: next Yeah, on one of those big gashers that he

533
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: got blocked into Jacob Phillips like seven yards down the field. Yes, Um,

534
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Speaker 1: linebacking play was not good at all. Too many miss

535
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Speaker 1: tackles are tackling was poor. Go to the secondary though

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Speaker 1: again m j Emerson, Greg Newsome, both of them I

537
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Speaker 1: thought played their their hearts out and I thought both

538
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: played very very well. Um. You know, Grant was a

539
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: lot of people have been given Grant a rough time,

540
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: but I thought he actually had a pretty good game.

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Speaker 1: Uh when you watched it back. Um, but again not

542
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Speaker 1: good enough. Not any impact plays. Yes, you could say

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Speaker 1: the stop on fourth down by m Jamerson, impact play,

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00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Gray Knewsom chasing down Austin Ekeler turning a touchdown into

545
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Speaker 1: three impact play and we were good down there near

546
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Speaker 1: the gold line. There are two of five in the

547
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Speaker 1: red zone, two of four goal to go. That's good.

548
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Speaker 1: But in between not good, not good enough. Too much discombobulation,

549
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: too much confusion, poor tackling again, just not It was

550
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: not good enough, and you lost another game that you

551
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Speaker 1: should have won. The Chargers hadn't won back to back

552
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: games on the road, by the way, since two thousand

553
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: and eighteen. They tried to give it to you. If

554
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Speaker 1: the converse had happened, if that was a Browns team

555
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: that went for it at their own forty five in

556
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Speaker 1: that situation, didn't get it. It's a hundred percent that

557
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Speaker 1: we're losing. There's there's no question. Yeah, there's just bad mode.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to break the

559
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: bad mojo thing. I don't know how you make it,

560
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: make them clutch. Uh, it's it's also a Charger team

561
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't. I mean there's no Bosa, there was no

562
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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen in the game for them. You had to

563
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Speaker 1: take advantage of this and you get it gifted because

564
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: of the Brandon Staley play call on to go for

565
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Speaker 1: it on fourth down. You it's it's right there for you.

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Speaker 1: You went from oh god to playing out the string

567
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: to oh my goodness, we can win this thing. We're

568
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: gonna this thing, right, go kick a field goal and

569
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: you're done and it's good. And instead it doesn't happen,

570
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know, it's it's gonna take.

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Speaker 1: It feels like something has to change from a from

572
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Speaker 1: a defensive personnel standpoint, and that's how you get the

573
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Dion Jones acquisition is that that they all acknowledge that too.

574
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: By the way, don't lose you think about how tire

575
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Speaker 1: to sleep. People in this organization at the top are

576
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: working to fix things like think about the fact that A.

577
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Speaker 1: B is making a trade on a Sunday afternoon after

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Speaker 1: the evening after that game, saying I've got to find

579
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Speaker 1: a solution here to give these guys a better chance

580
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: to succeed because we're not doing it right now. So

581
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Speaker 1: that was amazing to me that that deal was pulled

582
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Speaker 1: off before it even it was at the beginning of

583
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: the Sunday night guesses that had to be talked about

584
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: when we were in Atlanta or once Anthony Walker went down.

585
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: It was something that started to be a discussion and

586
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Speaker 1: they were able to find and said, Okay, pull the trigger.

587
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: We gotta get this done. There aren't any magical solutions

588
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: out there defensive tackle. I know people want there to be,

589
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: and I know they wanted to be in Dominan Sue,

590
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: but and Dominican su is not on anybody's roster, either

591
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: by his own choosing or the league's choosing. As I

592
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: said that last week, like there's this notion that you

593
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: just go say hey, you have to sign with us.

594
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna want to play football, and he might not

595
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: and he and he might he might not want to

596
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: play here either. He might want to wait until there's

597
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: a better situation at the end of the year. Like

598
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: if Dallas says, hey, would you like to join us

599
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 1: in week ten and there's somehow above water still at

600
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: that point, yeah, sure, I'll go play for the Cowboys

601
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: and live in Texas and have no state tax and

602
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: play on a team that maybe can make some noise.

603
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the right, the right that he

604
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: has that this notion that like you just give people

605
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: money and they have to come go get this guy.

606
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: You can't just do that. That's this isn't Madden for

607
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: crying out loud no and even further to go. And

608
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: you look at you know him. He last year was

609
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: not the best year that he's had in the league.

610
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: So it's not like he is an ascending asset at

611
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Speaker 1: this point. Is he better than what we have? Probably? Probably,

612
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: but he's still he's still gonna want to be here.

613
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: A couple of other additional roster moves made today. Millard

614
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: Forrestall Elijah and Consa both waved from injured reserve and

615
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: then Josh Rosen released from the practice squad as well.

616
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: So those those are some other additional things. What else

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Speaker 1: could I mean as this week goes on, what else

618
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: could be done? People executing their jobs? The fact that

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Speaker 1: we don't understand where to be before snaps, to me

620
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: is stunning. Still, I will give some credit. I know this,

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Speaker 1: and certainly on the back end, they were well prepared

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Speaker 1: for this. And you noticed this. How many times did

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Speaker 1: the Chargers go quick and they ran a play action

624
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: shop play six They hit none of them And that's

625
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: how they were abusing people this year. That's their go to.

626
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: The were prepared for it, they were on it, and

627
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: they took care of it. So some of the things

628
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: were good, But up front, run fits, you've got it.

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Speaker 1: Whatever your gap is, you've got to be in that gap. Yeah,

630
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: we're too often not in the right places, were too

631
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: often misaligned. And it's that's one thing. If it's a

632
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: new defense and new players, right third year in this defense,

633
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: for a lot of these players can't be having that.

634
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: You can't be having that. And so I don't know,

635
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you need to like start

636
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: at some point right you have to ask yourself, do

637
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I put a less talented individual who I know will

638
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: do their assignment on the field, because instead of getting

639
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: gash for a seventy yard run, maybe they'll get six

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Speaker 1: let's go to the podium. Kevin Stefanski's presser Okay injury front.

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned yesterday, Denzel is in the concussion protocol.

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Speaker 1: You know. The game like also, like we mentioned, it

657
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: was very frustrating. You know, we want to go in

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Speaker 1: there and get a win and and we didn't. So

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Speaker 1: obviously credit to them that they beat us, but we

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Speaker 1: gotta look at the areas that we beat ourselves as well.

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Speaker 1: I think there were just too many examples offense, defense,

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Speaker 1: special teams, players, coaches where we just beat ourselves. So

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Speaker 1: that's really the focus of today is looking at ways

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Speaker 1: that we can get better. Things that need to be fixed,

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Speaker 1: we gotta fix them, um, and that's what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: focus on. And then we got another a f C

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Speaker 1: opponent coming in next week Sunday to our place two

668
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Speaker 1: and three football team just like us. So uh, like

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, we got to get to fix in these

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Speaker 1: things and then be ready to get to work on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: And with that, I'll take any questions. Hey, Kevin, Um,

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Speaker 1: you guys acquired Dion Jones from Atlanta. I know he's

673
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: been um hurt earlier this year. Is is he ready

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Speaker 1: to go? And what do you do to help you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see on tom he gets in tomorrow obviously and

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Speaker 1: we'll put our eyes on him and and that type

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Speaker 1: of thing. But I just felt like we could add

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Speaker 1: a veteran linebacker to the group, and uh, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was any thing to do. How do you fix

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Speaker 1: this run defense? Yeah, you know, obviously gave up tune

681
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: and thirty eight yards rushing. So it's never one thing.

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00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: It can't be one player, can't be one scheme, can't

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00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: be one position. It's everybody. So, uh, we gotta own

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Speaker 1: it and we gotta fix it. We gotta make sure

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Speaker 1: that we look at everything. Uh, there's there's nothing that

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Speaker 1: that you can't look at. We gotta be very intentional

687
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Speaker 1: about that because you know, until you stop, the teams

688
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: are gonna always continue to do that. Yeah, hey, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: could you go through the day to day plan with

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Speaker 1: Watson now that he's been allowed back inside the building there? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, haven't been able to just

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Speaker 1: solve the Shawn this morning for the first time. So

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Speaker 1: we'll work through what we're allowed to do with him

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future, which I believe is he's in

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Speaker 1: the meeting rooms with our guys and he's in there

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Speaker 1: now with the guys, which is is great for him.

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Speaker 1: And us to have him back with his teammates. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And then I know it can't be out on the

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Speaker 1: field and working out just yet with the So we'll

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Speaker 1: just take that one day by day. Any impression of

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00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: the work he did football, non football wise while he

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Speaker 1: was gone, Yeah, he's he's in a good spot. You know.

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00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: I think he uh worked real hard, was in town,

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Speaker 1: working locally, making sure that he was standing on top

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Speaker 1: of it physically. Um. So now you just gotta catch

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Speaker 1: up a little bit in the meeting room, Kevin. Um.

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Speaker 1: The on run defense, is there any growing concern that

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Speaker 1: you guys are just too light at the linebacker position

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Speaker 1: and with the three safety look and the teams have

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Speaker 1: finally identified that as a point of attack. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think I understand the question, Tony. I do believe in

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Speaker 1: run defense, a lot of it is discipline, running the ball,

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Speaker 1: tackling will Um. It's our jobs to put the guys

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Speaker 1: in position, to make place that that's obvious. So schematically,

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Speaker 1: we gotta make sure they're in position, and then we

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Speaker 1: gotta tackle, which we just didn't do a good enough

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Speaker 1: job yesterday. Okay. And on the other side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: ver sets you know, three interceptions have all come when

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get in position to win a game. Um,

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Speaker 1: is it becoming indecent? You talk about putting the players

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Speaker 1: in the right position for them to succeed. Um, is

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Speaker 1: it becoming difficult the way your defense is playing to

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Speaker 1: keep reset out of those situations? You know, I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of faith in Jacoby Tony. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: he's he's playing well and that was a bad play.

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Speaker 1: He knows that he's beat himself up about that, um,

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Speaker 1: But he's making some big plays in these games, both

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Speaker 1: with his arm, with his feet, uh to you know,

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Speaker 1: give ourselves a chance to go score points or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. So um, I think he'll be in those

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Speaker 1: moments again, might be this week, might be the following week,

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Speaker 1: and I expect him to come through. You Know, it's

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Speaker 1: a shame because he's been so good. He's been superb.

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Speaker 1: Like n of the time, Jacoby percent has been superb,

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Speaker 1: And he's not the reason that the three losses are

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Speaker 1: are on the board. It's just that the picks that

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Speaker 1: he threw were in at brutal spots. Obviously, Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: were in brutal spots obviously late in the games. But

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Speaker 1: he's done things with not just his arm, with his

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Speaker 1: leg as well. That I think has been incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was sacked on that play watching it

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Speaker 1: in the booth, I thought he was sacked. In the

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Speaker 1: next thing, you know, he's out there running and picks

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Speaker 1: up you know, eight twenty yards for that first down.

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Speaker 1: He's been phenomenal. He's done enough for this team to

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Speaker 1: be five and oh he is more than carried his

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00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: own weight, more than carried his own weight. The ball

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Speaker 1: has been precise. He's missed a few throws here and there,

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Speaker 1: of course, but again, folks were doing this with our

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback Deshaun Watson back in the building today. He

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Speaker 1: can be in meetings, he can do all of that.

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Speaker 1: He just can't practice with the team for a couple

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Speaker 1: more weeks. But he's our backup quarterback and he's playing

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Speaker 1: as one of the top certainly top half of the

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Speaker 1: league quarterbacks in the NFL right now, if not, you know,

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Speaker 1: top twelve, top ten depending on various metrics and watching him,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been so efficient. He's sixth in the

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Speaker 1: league in QBR. Okay, that's winning football and we're a

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Speaker 1: losing team yea, which is insane. He's been excellent. Amari

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00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: has been great, Na Joke who has been great, Donovan

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Speaker 1: People's Jones has been great. I still think we are

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: missing because Anthony Schwartz is not a factor. We're missing

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00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: a vertical threat in this offense. Listen, you go back

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00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: to camp and you think about, now, certainly we would

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Speaker 1: have thought that Anthony Walker Jr. Would be here. No

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Speaker 1: one could have foreseen an injury, you know, like that

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Speaker 1: to him. But if you go to the questions that

768
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: you had in camp, it was defensive tackle, and I

769
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: said over and over again, speed receiver, like those are

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Speaker 1: the things that right now we don't have. Nope, we

771
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: are not good at defensive tackle and we're not good

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Speaker 1: at at someone who can take the top off of anything.

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Speaker 1: And despite that, offensively, you're scoring plenty of points to

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Speaker 1: be able to win these games, and frankly should even

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Speaker 1: with a compressed it compresses what you're able to do,

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00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: and you can imagine what will happen when you have

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Speaker 1: an ability to stretch the entire field and Nick Chubb

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: gets to play in that type of offense. But it'll

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00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: just that's the thing, Like we could be scoring thirty

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Speaker 1: five a game once Deshaun Watson. Take me like you'd

781
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: be in a situation. You're in the situation Buffalos, in

782
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Speaker 1: the situation that the Chiefs are in, where you just

783
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Speaker 1: bury people. And that's what we have not been able

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Speaker 1: to do, unfortunately, and I think that's what this Browns

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00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: team needs to be able to do. I mean, you've

786
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Speaker 1: scored twenty six thirty and that's enough. It's more than enough,

787
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Speaker 1: you know, and you can have you could have a

788
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: loss to the Jets, but then you had to get

789
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Speaker 1: these two and and that's what didn't happen. Everything that

790
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: could go wrong did And honestly, based on what we've

791
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 1: seen from Kad York since the opener, I almost feel

792
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: fel fortunate to win that one because that's a fifty

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00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: eight yarder. Of course, that's the that's the craziest part

794
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Speaker 1: of all of this. We had an opportunity to put

795
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: away all five of these games and comfortable fashion. Now,

796
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: the Chargers probably tough to put away, right, they're good,

797
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: but we saw the way that they folded like a

798
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: house of cards against the Jags. When the Jags stuck

799
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Speaker 1: it to him and didn't let him get back in

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Speaker 1: the game. We had a chance to do. We are

801
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Speaker 1: up fourteen nothing, then we're up fourteen three and got

802
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: the ball back, you go up twenty one three right there. Okay,

803
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting scenario for them to try

804
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: to deal with flying across the country, but we did

805
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Speaker 1: not do that. But we're doing enough. And I think

806
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Speaker 1: that the way in which we are losing is so

807
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: painful for everybody because we know this shouldn't be happening.

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00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean one area special teams. By the way, here's

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00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: somebody else he shouldn't be mad at. Corey Bojorks has

810
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: been unreal. His directional punning invokes the Great Coal. We

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00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: haven't seen directional punting this organization since the Great Coal

812
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: at hit the peak of his powers. But he's hit

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Speaker 1: it from sixty one yards down to their one yard

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Speaker 1: and what did we let him do? Nine yards? It's

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Speaker 1: just right there. That's got to be most teams. You're thinking,

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Speaker 1: let's get a safe, let's get a pick six. That's

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00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: where pick six happens. Nothing. We're not generating any turnovers

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00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: at all. No, huh. Right, we didn't have a turnover

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Speaker 1: against the Falcons. A takeaway. We didn't have a takeaway

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Speaker 1: in this one. Denzil head to pick against wasn't the

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Speaker 1: thou but we lost a turnover battle two to one.

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Speaker 1: We lose a turno battle here one zero. We only

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Speaker 1: had one sack, sex interceptions, fumbles one which was if

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Speaker 1: he's generous, yeah, yeah, it should have been a donut.

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00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: So we haven't. We just haven't been doing what we

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Speaker 1: need to do defensively. And that's really where it goes

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Speaker 1: back to Kate York. You've got to make those kicks.

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Speaker 1: You invest in a fourth round pick and a kicker,

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Speaker 1: you gotta make him and he's the only kicker drafted

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Speaker 1: and you gotta make those kicks. Make one of them.

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Speaker 1: He's never missed two in a game in his life. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: and then you worry, right because because kickers are like pictures,

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00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: they're like golfers. It becomes mental. Do you see are

834
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: you questioning everything what you're doing? So that's that's a

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00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: big sense of worry there. Um One of the things

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Speaker 1: that we spent you know, quite a bit of the

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Speaker 1: in the terms of the stuff that we played from

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00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: coach there was more to it, but one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we centered on quite a bit there was

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Speaker 1: Watson's return. So Deshaun Watson is in the building, as

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00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: you alluded to, he's in the building this week. He

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00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: will be in this scenario for what amounts to four

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00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: weeks and then he'll be able to begin practicing, and

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Speaker 1: then he will be practicing for four weeks before he plays.

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Speaker 1: So that's where you're at on this. Remember he does

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Speaker 1: not come back until the game against Houston. So in

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00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: terms of the games remaining, Patriots this week at Ravens, Bengals,

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Speaker 1: here at Miami, at the Bills, and then the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about all of this, with the

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00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: exception to the Bills, because they are a machine, um,

851
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: but with the exception to them, none of these look

852
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: as insurmountable as they did before the season. They really don't.

853
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you watch the Bengals game last night,

854
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: they can't throw the ball down the field. No. And

855
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: by the way I said this is given is my

856
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: hot take watching them, Tee Higgins is as important to them,

857
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: if not more. It feels like the Jamaar Chase right now.

858
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: Right now, he is because Zach Taylor is not putting

859
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: them in a good position weekend and week out, and

860
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: so there's not much imagination in the office and can't

861
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: do mix and can't get going. Yesterday was his best

862
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: game of the season. I think he had seventy eight

863
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: yards um Lamar and the Ravens. If we can't stop

864
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: the run, that's gonna be a problem this Patriots team.

865
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: Who knows who the quarterback is going to be, doesn't matter.

866
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: They got it's gonna be happy. It's gonna be Stevenson,

867
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: Justmandre Stevenson leased against the just gonna run it right

868
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: at you. How about them? They can't play an announcing

869
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: off offense. All of a sudden, the lists a week

870
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they go to big bed

871
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: New England and they get shut out the Dolphins. So

872
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: do you think that's I mean, I don't know what

873
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: to make of it. Wild. I just think the league

874
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: makes no damn sense. Breathe. Let me tell you something.

875
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: I said it before. We caught the Jets early in

876
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: their development, and that was a good time for us

877
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: to get that when they're not a bad team. And

878
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: place Hall is a stud. He is very he was

879
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: very good. And I would say the one thing with

880
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: the Dolphins though, is Bridge is out after the first play.

881
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: So do you know what happened on that somebody spotted it,

882
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: like he passed concussion protocl They wouldn't let him back

883
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: in the game, but somebody spotted it, and because of

884
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: the two is stuff, he was down. So he played

885
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: one place and they had Skyler Thompson come in. I

886
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: don't even know who that guy is. So yeah, they

887
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: ended up towards it. At the end, the Bills just

888
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: steamrolled Pittsburgh. I mean that was let's go and the

889
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: Bucks aren't. Right. No, That's why I'm saying're not going

890
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: to get run by anybody except I mean, buffaloes would

891
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: be tough, but everybody else you can, you can go

892
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: toe to toe with. You just have to figure out

893
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: a way to close games. It's you know, it's really

894
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: that simple. And now with Watson back in here, you

895
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: get him in the building and then for a month,

896
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: and then he practices for a month and then hopefully

897
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. And all that you hope for

898
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: here as you sit at two and three trying to

899
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: make sense of it is is that by the time

900
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: December four rolls around, it's meaningful. That's all that's all

901
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: you want. You just want meaningful, you know, it is

902
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: it too much to ask for those games to be

903
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: once where perhaps there's some semblance of a hope of

904
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: a playoff chance. The good news is, I think in

905
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: the NFS, in the a f C, at least I

906
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: think it will be because no one's running away with

907
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: this thing except for the teams at the top. Buffalo

908
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: in Kansas City are gonna separate. I think that's a lot.

909
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Kansas City gets the Raiders, that feels like it, but

910
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: everybody else in this side has flaws. I cannot believe.

911
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: I was ready to put the Titans away. They want

912
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: three in a row, don't bury them. Not that they're

913
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: win was at pressive to be Washington. Did you get

914
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: the point? Um, The separation is at the very top,

915
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: and it's Kansas City and the Chargers and everybody else

916
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: I think is gonna be hanging out. I don't. I mean,

917
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: it's not good in Cincinnati either, and they have a

918
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: full complement of players. You're right, Higgins was down yesterday,

919
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: but it was not great for fantasy folks. No probably

920
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: survived that though, I think. Um, So that's where you stand.

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939
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: this was cruel. Half. It was tough to to do

940
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: so many things right and to not be rewarded with

941
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: a win because of breakdowns. And misses and special teams

942
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: and and so forth. It's these are hard to swallow.

943
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Buddy Cool and unusual punishment have been the Browns games

944
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: this year, the way that they've found ways to lose

945
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: in spite of playing some really, really good football. And

946
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: I think the most disappointing thing for me is just

947
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: you've got an offense playing much better than you expected.

948
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: Maybe going into the season at quarterback we didn't really

949
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: know a whole lot about and I think by and

950
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: large you surpassed expectations your scoring point and you still

951
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: can't win, even though you're in the situation at the

952
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: end of a game where you're kicking will go to win,

953
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: and you don't do it. And I think that's the

954
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: frustrating thing, is when you're exceeding expectations where they are

955
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: on offense and with Jacobe Brissette, and you're still losing.

956
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: It was a frustrating one. Let's just start big picture,

957
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: what we're kind of your takeaways from the offensive performance,

958
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: the defensive performance, and then the special teams. Well, offense,

959
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: you've got to be excited about the way they continue

960
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: to run the football over two yards rushing again almost

961
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: a seven yard average which is really kind of difficult

962
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: to wrap my mind around my entire career. We are

963
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: chasing a four yard average. We feel pretty good about

964
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: ourselves when you're you know, four and a half five

965
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: yards to carry, but the way that they're running the

966
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: football is just ridiculous. Um. I thought Jacoby Brissette, other

967
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: than that interception at the end, playing good football. Um,

968
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: he found a Mari Cooper, which that was a question

969
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: mark coming into this game, like, hey, is he gonna

970
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: be able to kind of link up again with a

971
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Mari and after sort of not really finding him at all.

972
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean he was witness protection program the week before.

973
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper has seven catches, he's targeted twelve times, and

974
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: you can see the impact that he has when he

975
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: is a big part of that game. I thought Donovan's

976
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: Peoples Jones played a great game. The Chief continues to

977
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: play good football. I mean, offensively, there's a lot of

978
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: stuff to be really happy about. But um, then you

979
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: pivot to the defensive side of the football. And although

980
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the breakdowns in the past defense are not there that

981
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: like they were earlier in the season. You just can't

982
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: allow two thirty eight yards rushing. You can't let the Chargers,

983
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: who are not a good running team to be able

984
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: to run the football the way they have. And I

985
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: think that's why Andrew Barry made the decision that he

986
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: did the trade for a linebacker last night at the stadium,

987
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: because he realized that our interior of our defensive line

988
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: and our linebackers are just not cut out to be

989
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: run suffers right now, especially after losing Anthony Walker. Joe,

990
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: can you teach much? I think you teach it as

991
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: a person who's been in that moment before, I think,

992
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: not not necessarily just in the NFL, but throughout your life,

993
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: maybe being in those big moments, having that confidence, you know,

994
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: succeeding in those moments builds confidence that you're the type

995
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: of player who can compete and play well in those

996
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: big clutch moments. Um And I think when you're a

997
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: young player, if you question yourself a lot, Hey am

998
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: I clutch? Right? Can I be clutched at the NFL level?

999
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: And going out there and doing it builds that confidence

1000
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: that you can go do it again. And until you're

1001
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: in those moments, sometimes you wonder. And unfortunately for a

1002
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: lot of guys on this team, they have not been

1003
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: clutched this season. Well, and that's the thing, just to

1004
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: follow up real quickly on that, please, we know this

1005
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: is the youngest team in the NFL. And what you

1006
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: worry about is that this stuff becomes habitual. Well wee,

1007
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: we've seen I've seen it more than anybody. Yeah, But

1008
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: to be fair, I mean that just from a from

1009
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: an overall talent standpoint, this roster is different than a

1010
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of the ones that played, right, I think we'd

1011
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: all ignore acknowledge that, like this this team from a

1012
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: talent standpoint, But you just worry that this stuff starts

1013
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: to snowball Joe. And that's a young team being impressionable,

1014
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: like you get used to it. Yeah, well that's the

1015
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: danger of having these moments over and over again. Um,

1016
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: wasn't the Buffalo Bills that were terrible and one score

1017
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: games up until recently, you know, until like I think

1018
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: last week. Um, and you worry about that creeping into

1019
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: people's mindset, right, like, oh, you know you're not good

1020
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: in those clutch moments. You have lost in those moments before,

1021
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you start getting into

1022
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: that point of a game where it's a tight ball game,

1023
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: it's a one score game, you're gonna need somebody to

1024
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: make a plate on the stretch, and everyone gets tight.

1025
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: Rather than being loose and having confidence and excitement about

1026
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: the ball coming to you in that moment where you

1027
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: can make the play and you can be the hero,

1028
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: you start getting nervous, right, You get nervous that the

1029
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: ball is going to come to you and that you're

1030
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: going to be the one that blows it this week,

1031
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: and that negative self talk all of a sudden kind

1032
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: of spills into your performance because you aren't confident in

1033
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: what you're doing, You're not excited about being able to

1034
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: seize that moment, and it definitely snowballs. And I think

1035
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: that's why mindset is such an important part of being

1036
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. That's why these guys hopefully are training

1037
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: their brains, they're training their minds, They're doing the meditation,

1038
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: they do the visualization that you need so that when

1039
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: you are in that moment, it's not the first time

1040
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: you've been there, because you've been there in your mind before,

1041
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: and you are excited about being able to capture that moment.

1042
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: But there's definitely a fear uh, and there's going to

1043
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: be certainly, hopefully UH, some proactive maybe mental coaching going

1044
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: on so that it doesn't snowball into oh here we

1045
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: go again type clutch moment. Somebody's gonna screw it up,

1046
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that has been what is let this football

1047
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: team down too often in this season. Sitting at two

1048
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: and three half just educates me bow our listeners, because

1049
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: so much has been made about the fourth down call

1050
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: and you and I've already talked about it where many

1051
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: people wanted him to sneak and I get that, and

1052
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: very well may have still gotten a first down because

1053
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: the guy's nine for nine on the season. That would

1054
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: have made him ten for ten, but instead we ran

1055
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of a a a slower developing run, kind of

1056
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: like with a with a pool there. What was the

1057
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: play call, what did the Chargers do? What did you

1058
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: think of it? And break down what it could have

1059
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: been and what happened. Well, one thing I do know

1060
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: is that the other thirty one teams in the NFL

1061
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: and their fans they watched film too, and so they

1062
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: know how good the Browns are making. And it's great

1063
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: to think that, Okay, we're just sneaking every time on

1064
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: fourth and one, we're gonna get it. But if you're

1065
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: predictable in the NFL, no matter what it is, like,

1066
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: there's a defense that stops every offensive play. And actually,

1067
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: in that moment we talked about a little bit today,

1068
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: is the Chargers had the perfect defense called to stop

1069
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: the sneak because they were just like the Browns fans,

1070
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: they expected, here comes the sneak. So what they did

1071
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: is they put four defensive tackles in the gaps, in

1072
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: the A gaps and the D gaps, and on the

1073
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: snap they slanted them out hard and then they ran

1074
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: linebackers and safety through the A gap. So basically what

1075
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: they were trying to do. Because what we've seen Jacobe

1076
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: and why he's so successful with the sneaks, he gets

1077
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: the ball and he stands back, which he learned from Brady,

1078
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: and he finds a gap which is usually to the

1079
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: side because typically in a sneak, everybody just kind of

1080
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: wedges and caves forward and you try to push forward

1081
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: for you know, a foot or two and then there's

1082
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: lots of green grass and space to the side. So

1083
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: Jacoby has been really good about backing up, taking a second,

1084
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: and then find in some space either side to the

1085
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: B gaps. But what the Chargers did is they realized

1086
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: that was gonna happen, so they slanted those defensive tackles

1087
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: out to take away to Kobe's ability to stand back

1088
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: and then sneak off to the side, and then they

1089
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: ran linebackers and safety through the a gaps to be

1090
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: able to take it away if he saw that there

1091
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: was a slant and try to go forward. So they

1092
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: called the anti sneak play. So had we think on

1093
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: that moment, we would have not made it. It would

1094
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: have been an abject failure. And then of course everyone

1095
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: would have been saying, oh, you always seek if they

1096
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: knew it was coming, so you should have run a

1097
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: different play, right, Well, that's what's great about being a

1098
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: fan as we get to say that, you know, after

1099
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: the fact. But they actually had the perfect play called

1100
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: they called power. That's at least what I've called in

1101
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: the past or power. It was your guard pole, your

1102
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: fullback lead. You're running basically from a gap out and

1103
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: the running back is coming downhill. He's just trying to

1104
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: find the first hole and he's trying to get through it.

1105
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: And the reason it's a great play in that situation

1106
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: is because the front side are taught to down block

1107
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: a gap and any type of stunt or blitz or

1108
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: run through that they run. You're able to load it

1109
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: up because you've got the three blockers on the front

1110
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: side that are all down blocking and basically caving that

1111
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: line in, and then the running back runs off the

1112
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: tight end or the tackles, but to the outside where

1113
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of green grass. And it's one

1114
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: of the most classic short yardage plays in NFL history

1115
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: because it accounts for any run throughs, any blitzess. It

1116
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: basically picks anything up. And as long as you don't

1117
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: have a catastrophic technique or assignment air on the front side,

1118
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna get blocked and you're running back is gonna

1119
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: have a chance to make a yard. However, our right guard,

1120
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: who's an All Pro and I love him very much,

1121
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: he with so the defensive tackle that's now supposed to

1122
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: be blocked by the right guard is running completely free

1123
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Now that's not a good look for anybody,

1124
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: And as good as Kareem Hunt is, when you've got

1125
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle that's four yards into your backfield unblocked

1126
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: on that play, you have no chance. Had we made

1127
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: that block, and if you pause it at that moment

1128
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: when Cream is about is about to get tackled by

1129
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle. There's an alley that's about four yards

1130
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: wide that goes from the line of scrimmage all the

1131
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: way into the end zone that you may not have

1132
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: even gotten touched running into the end zone in that moment.

1133
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: So I understand the frustration from a fan standpoint when

1134
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: you're eighth for eight on QB sneaks and you don't

1135
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: sneak it and then you don't get it. It's really

1136
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: easy for me as a fan to say that was

1137
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: a terrible call, you should have snuck it. But if

1138
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: you go back and watch the tape, it was actually

1139
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: the perfect call for the defense that the Chargers were

1140
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: running because they were trying to take away your sneak

1141
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: and had it been blocked the way it was supposed to,

1142
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: it probably would have been a touchdown. And you've been

1143
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: on Wyatt Teller every time, of course, and Joel every time.

1144
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: That's the maddening part that you're doing all You're doing

1145
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: so much of the big stuff, right Joe, You're missing

1146
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: the little stuff that's and they're they're happening at them

1147
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: critical times. Yeah, and I'll admit I was wrong as

1148
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: I kind of assessed that play. Obviously, I wasn't able

1149
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: to watch like the all twenty two of it. I

1150
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: got to watch it as it happened from the booth.

1151
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: And my issue, Joe was it's while it is, as

1152
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: you said, a perfect play call, when you watch it

1153
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: back and you realize, man, if if why it just

1154
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: box Covington, he probably scores a touchdown, it still is

1155
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: a slow developing play for a one yard game. Do

1156
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: you agree with that? Yeah, it is like I would

1157
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: say that you could make that argument. Um now like you, I,

1158
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: I totally understand what you're saying that moment because it

1159
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: is slow developing. But the reason it's slow developing is

1160
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: because you want to be able to account for any

1161
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: of the run through, any of the stunts, any of

1162
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: the blitzes that you might see in that situation where

1163
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: the defense is thinking, hey, this is a gotta have it.

1164
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Let's just try something because if it doesn't work, we'll

1165
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: just live for another play. But if we throw a

1166
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: dart against the wall and we get lucky, it's a

1167
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: huge moment in the game. So you could see something

1168
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: in that situation from an offensive standpoint, that you've never

1169
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: seen on film, Like they could dial up a blitz

1170
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: that they've never even put on film, because hey, why

1171
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't we We might as well try something because our

1172
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: chances of stopping them are pretty slim, so we'll run

1173
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: something crazy. So you run a slow developing play with

1174
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: rules that take care of whatever they could throw at you,

1175
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: knowing that, hey, we've got some pretty good dudes on

1176
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: the front side here that are you know, pro bowlers

1177
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and all pros, and they've seen just about everything. They'll

1178
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: be able to handle. The front side will load it up,

1179
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: and now we got the best guard in the NFL

1180
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: pulling around a big wad of humanity to the outside

1181
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: and blocking the first thing off the tight ends butt,

1182
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: and now Kareem Hunt is running free in the secondary.

1183
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you're if you're saying, hey, we're

1184
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: worried about them running a defense to stop our quarterback sneak,

1185
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: which clearly the Browns were, and rightfully so, because that's

1186
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: what the charges were thinking, then you would either my

1187
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: first play call would be power, which is what they ran.

1188
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: But if you don't want to do that because you

1189
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: want something more direct, you could run like a fullback

1190
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: inside zone, or since we don't really have a fullback,

1191
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: you could run a Nick Chub or a Cream Hunt

1192
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: little inside zone, which is what the Patriots. We studied

1193
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots from like two thousand seven to two thousand

1194
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: ten or something goofy like that. They had like forty

1195
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: four and one and they converted like thirty nine of them,

1196
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: and they were running just a little octackle inside zone

1197
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: play where everybody just steps with the same foot. Everybody

1198
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: gets on a track, picks up whoever comes to their zone,

1199
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: and the running back just kind of gets his shoulders

1200
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: facing towards the goal line, fall forward, gets a foot,

1201
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: gets to see whatever you need. So I would say

1202
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: that those are kind of your my favorite short yardage plays,

1203
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the Browns have that in their playbook,

1204
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: and hey, maybe if they ran that, possibly could have

1205
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: had success. But like I said, the defense that um

1206
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: the Charters ran where they had those four big guys inside,

1207
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: they slanted them outside. We used to call it, hey

1208
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: diddle dittle three up the middle because everybody on the

1209
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: inside defensive line has slammed out and those secondary elements

1210
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: are all running through the a gaps. I mean, that's

1211
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: not a great look against an inside zone because they

1212
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: just have more dudes than you do, so you're only right.

1213
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: The only chance of stopping it is just wadding it up.

1214
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: And that's what power does on the front side, because

1215
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: you've got three guys that are down blocking. A lot

1216
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: of times when three guys are going down, you can

1217
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: account for four bodies because there's just no space for

1218
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: them to get through, so they kind of fall on

1219
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: each other. Whereas the zone stuff, you kind of got

1220
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: to be able to sort out a man for a

1221
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: man a little bit better. It felt like in watching

1222
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: it back off that why it was expecting the defensive

1223
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: tackles to slant into the center to try to stop

1224
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: the sneak, and so he almost overreached with thinking he

1225
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: was going down when the defensive tackle actually went out,

1226
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: and thus why it kind of put all his weight

1227
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: on his left foot going left and the defensive tackle

1228
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: actually went right. Oh yeah, I mean, it's happened every

1229
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, if they've played long enough, you're in that

1230
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: moment and it's a short yardage player, you're thinking that

1231
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: that guy is probably gonna fire ahead, and so what

1232
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: what happened is you get a little bit out over

1233
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: your tost you get a little bit over extended, you

1234
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: come off a little bit too hard, you're not measured

1235
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: right in your approach, which if anybody knows why, I

1236
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: tell her the personality, he's not a measured guy. He's

1237
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: kind of all way or all out. So it's it's

1238
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: understandable he probably wanted to go down there and murder

1239
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: the guy, which I get it. Um, But in that situation,

1240
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: it's a live and learn moment, like, hey, it's more

1241
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: important to make the block and get a stealmate than

1242
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: it is to wipe him off the screen and get

1243
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: an out of boy in the film room on Monday morning. Um.

1244
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: And so he just got a little over extended. And

1245
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: then once you take that first step that hard, it's

1246
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: really hard to redirect when your defensive lineman is planting

1247
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: that hard to the outside in that moment. And this

1248
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: is just one question I had that occurred to be

1249
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: while this happened. Is it almost better if you are

1250
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: in that situation to just tackle the guy from behind,

1251
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: because then you know at least the team will get

1252
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: a penalty and an opportunity to punt. Or are you

1253
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: hoping that you're just Kareem is going to make something

1254
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: out of nothing and it's still gonna work out. Or

1255
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: is that too quick to even think like that. Yeah,

1256
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: I think it's too quick to make that analytics evaluation, because, yeah,

1257
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: it would be nice to be able to just turn

1258
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: around and tackle him and then I hope somehow that

1259
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: you can make the first down, take the penalty, and

1260
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: then punt. But like a lot of times, it's going

1261
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: so quickly that even if you turned around and just

1262
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: try to tackle the guy, you're probably still getting tackled

1263
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: in the backfield, like you saw from Kareem. Like I

1264
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: think even if why I would have turned around tackled him,

1265
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: the guy still could have tackled Kareem as he's being

1266
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: tackled because he's so far in the backfield. Now you

1267
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: really have done nothing for yourself. And the worst thing

1268
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: would be if you get beat, you turn around, you

1269
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Speaker 1: tackle the guy, and somehow Kareem is able to squirt

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Speaker 1: out of there. Where you're tackling a guy didn't matter

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01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: in the first place. Now you've got beat and you've

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01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: gotten the holy penalty, and all they went the first

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01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: time anyway, So I think, well, it's fun to talk

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Speaker 1: about I don't think that's realistic to happen at that moment. Yeah. Well,

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: the other thing is, and we're spending most of the

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01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: time because what we like talking about about offense and

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01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: the reality is we make a kick and we don't

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01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: give up I don't know, ten point eight yards of

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01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: carry to Austin Ekeler. And you're not in this spot, right, Joe.

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean this is we're just getting bullied up front

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01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. What are you seeing? This is

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01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. I mean Atlanta had the

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01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: ten play seventy five yard drive against us last week

1284
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: that just killed us. And then I mean this is

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: two eight the Chargers had. They I mean they get

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01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: twenty lesson that in one. What is happening to our

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: defense in the ground game. Well, if you guys remember

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01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: when we were back in training camp, we were together

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01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: joying the heat of that tent with no fan that

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01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: did be purposely kept from us, and we had those

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01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: little bugs that were killing us. And one of the

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01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: things they kept bringing up, I'm like, hey, I like

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01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: our our defensive ends, but I'm just concerned with our

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01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: size on the inside and experience. You know, we just

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: outside of Jordan Lly. We just don't have any like

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: big earth movers or guys that are just difficult to move.

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01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: And I was concerned, like, hey, if teams really are

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: just gonna say, hey, screw it, we can't throw on

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01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: these guys because they're still good. Um, they're so fast

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01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: at linebacker, it's hard to get outside. We're just gonna

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01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: put a fullback in the game and we're just gonna

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01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: run the ball and see what happens. And that's kind

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: of what's happened the last couple of weeks. And you know,

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01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: I think it's really been the loss of Anthony Walker

1305
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: that's been a big problem. But when I'm watching him

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: on film, we don't have any linebackers that can come

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: downhill fast and close a hole. So if you look

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: at like a linebacker is responsible for a whole, if

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01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: he's off the ball, now you have depth and width

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Speaker 1: to that hole. Right, you can imagine if there's a

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01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: hole that the running back is going to try to

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01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: get through, but the linebacker is able to meet the

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01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: blocker at the line of scrimmage, there's no depth to

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: that hole. There might be a little bit of width,

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01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: but now he's plugging that with with his body and

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01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: then there's no depth, so there's not really a lot

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: of space for that running back to be able to

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Speaker 1: get through. But what I'm seeing a lot of is

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: offensive linemen are meeting our linebackers to three yards into

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01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: our own defensive backfield and then driving him further four

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01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: or five yards. So now you've got a hole. You

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: know the width of a gap between a guard and

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Speaker 1: a tackle. Let's say, so it's two three ft wide,

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01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: and then now it's four yards deep. There's a lot

1325
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: of space for those running backs to get into. And

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01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: then it makes it even more difficult for the defensive

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: lineman because now they're running down the line of scrimmage

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01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: and they're trying to close that hole that shouldn't be there,

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 1: that is there. And then now they're getting pushed further

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: and farther past the hole. And now when the running

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: back cut back, Katie bar the door. I mean, those

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01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: running backs can go pretty much anywhere they want, and

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, it only takes two or three of those

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: on a drive where all of a sudden, now the

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01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: defense is kind of worn down. They're a little bit tired,

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: because it's it's tough when there's eleven dudes chasing one

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01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: running back. That's why defenses get more tired and worn

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01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: out quicker than offenses. Right because even when I'm blocking somebody,

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01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: I blocked my guy four or five or six yards,

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: and now the running back takes off. You run fifty

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01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: yards down the field. I mean, I'm gonna jog down there.

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01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk, But like I don't have to

1343
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: sprint after the ball chair wherever. As everybody on defense,

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01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: they're getting tired out because every single play they're having

1345
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: to sprint all the way to wherever the ball carriers.

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01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: So like four or five plays in a row where

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: you're giving up six, seven, ten, twelve yards rushing, those

1348
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: guys are getting tired, they're worn down. And then where

1349
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: the differences in maybe physicality already was there, it becomes

1350
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: even greater as fatigue starts to set in. Yeah, it

1351
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: really does. There's so much unpack with this one and

1352
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: so disappointing to sit here at two and three. We'll

1353
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: do our one phrase game as we do every single reaction.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do one word or phrase from yesterday's

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01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: loss to the Chargers. We've talked a lot about the defense.

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 1: Let's get down to some players and I'll start with

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01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: uz On m j Emerson. I love this kid. I

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01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: love this kid. I love this kid. He's actually doing.

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01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: Was with the media while we were on the air today,

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01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: and uh, this is what he had to say, and

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: I think this is great. He was talking about you

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: know what happened at the end of that game with

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Speaker 1: them going at him on that final play, and I

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: just I love the comment. I love what he has

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: to said. So he said, rookie cornerback. If I were him,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably do the same, but I had different plans.

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Speaker 1: I just I love it. I love the way he competes.

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01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: He is a dog. He is exactly what I think

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: this team needs. He's exactly what you want in a cornerback.

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01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: He wanted Mike Williams, he wanted him. He said, give

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01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: me eighty one. I love that hof That's what I

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01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: mean you talk about fire, you talk about passion, you

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: talk about a competitive nature and the desire to say,

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01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: have that ball come to me because I'm gonna get

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: it done, and then to do it. I love this

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: kid absolutely. I mean he's the type of attitude that

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: you want at every position on your team. Right, He's

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: the guy that believes in himself and he wants that

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01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: moment to be the biggest and he wants his opportunity

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01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: to be able to seize that moment. That's exactly what

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: he did. I know he talked about how Mike Williams

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: they wanted to go to him at the end of

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01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: the game. They Brandon Saley, the Charger's head coach, said

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01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 1: they liked the matchup and that's why they went decided

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: to go for it on fourth down. But when you

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01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: got to like a guy like m j Emerson, who's

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01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: gonna say, this is my time, when the moment's the biggest,

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at my best, that's exactly who you

1394
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: want all eleven dudes and the defense to be thinking like.

1395
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: Because he showed up when the moment was the biggest,

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: and I think he's got an extremely bright future for

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: the Browns. All right, Hot, this one comes to you first,

1398
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. You really can't say enough superlatives about the

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: job Nick Chubb has done. And I think one of

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Speaker 1: the things that is really exciting to me when I

1401
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: watch Nick Chubb is his ability to make just small,

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: little cuts in the hole where sometimes it's really not

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: a play that's blocked for much, but he's able to

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,560
Speaker 1: just make a little bit of a jump cut, just

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: a little bit to the side, and all of a sudden,

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: all the angles for the guys on defense that are

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01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: trying to make a tackle. It changes like that, and

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01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: then he's able to use that acceleration, that speed that

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 1: he has to turn it into a big run. And

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: I think his ability to make some of those little,

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01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: small all moves in the hole allow him to keep

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: himself from being waylaid by some of the bigger hits,

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01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: and I think that keeps him fresh as the game

1414
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: goes on. And I think that's why he's so efficient

1415
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and why his rushing average is

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01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: so ridiculous in the second half half. I want to

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01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: ask you, I want him in there on fourth and one.

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: I want him in there at the end of the games.

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: Especially if we're gonna be running the football like we

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: did towards the end of that one. I want him,

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01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: I just want I think we are better when he

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01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: is on the field. What do you think of that

1423
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: at Kareem is excellent, excellent, not taking anything away from

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: Green Hunt, but he's not Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb is

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: the best running back in front of one. Yeah, there's

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: no doubt. I think that's one of the things that

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01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: I think coach Dfanski will probably say that he regrets,

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: you know, the fourth and one. I love Kareem Hunt,

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01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: like he said, he's a great player. He's one of

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01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: the best running backs in the NFL. But I think

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb can do things that Kareem Hunt camp. He

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: can make guys miss I think in a way that

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01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: is rare in the NFL. And he's got that ability

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01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: to accelerate, uh from almost being tackled, being dead stopped

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01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: to being at full speed that probably nobody else in

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: the NFL has. And so I think you're gonna probably

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01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: see him a little bit more in those critical moments

1438
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: because that's definitely one of the I think fara criticisms

1439
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: of this offense so far is that in some of

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: those moments in the game where you've got only Kareem

1441
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: in there because Nick is out for whatever reason. I

1442
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: think you need to have Nick Chubb in the game

1443
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: because he's just that much of a difference maker. All Right,

1444
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: See this one comes to you, k New York not

1445
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: good enough, and I feel badly for the young man.

1446
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot to put on his shoulders. But this

1447
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: is the NFL. You were drafted in the fourth round.

1448
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: You've got to make those kicks. Period. It is binary.

1449
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, and you are listen, sixties seventy

1450
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: thousand live millions around the world are writing on you.

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01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: We're being compensated very well to kick a football between

1452
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: the uprights. To do it like Justin Tucker doesn't mean

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're gonna be that good. No, but

1454
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: you look at the what Evan McPherson did for the

1455
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals last year on their ride to the Super Bowl,

1456
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: perfect in the playoffs, game winner after game winner. That

1457
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's the expectation. That's what we need, and

1458
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: we can't have any kicks extra points. He's not gonna

1459
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: be perfect, nobody's flawless, but in those moments. That's where

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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: you gotta be clutch Meter. You've gotta be the guy. Listen,

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01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: here's something everybody can relate to a beer pong. You've

1462
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: got to be the guy that wants the ball when

1463
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: there's one cup left, because you're gonna bury them. And

1464
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: we thought he had that in camp. He hadn't camp.

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: He had it in Carolina. Uh, something's done right. Yeah,

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you, guys. You can't expect perfection,

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01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: but mrs need to be few and far between. And

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01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 1: today's NFL, with the way that fields are in perfect condition,

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: the way that we're so good at holding the football,

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: the way that these footballs are so perfectly manicured, I mean,

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: the environment is just about perfect every time a kickers

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: back there to kick. Now, granted, you're gonna have to

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: deal with weather from time to time, but that was

1474
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: not the case this weekend. And you need to be

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: able to make way more kicks than you miss. And

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01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: like leg Z said, occasionally, you're gonna miss one, but

1477
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: you can't have a couple in a game because it's

1478
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: just too important. That's why you draft a kicker in

1479
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: the fourth round. That's why these kickers like Justin Tucker,

1480
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: uh makes the money that they make because they're that important.

1481
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: You win and lose games based on kicks going through

1482
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: the uprights, and you know, you hope it's just a

1483
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: little temporary blip on the radar and that it doesn't

1484
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: become something that gets into your head, because kicking is

1485
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: as much a mental game as golfer any of those

1486
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: other sports where you need to believe in yourself because

1487
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: the moment you don't, that's all of a sudden, the

1488
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: moment your your mind is telling your body subconsciously to

1489
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: get tight and to do things that it shouldn't because

1490
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: of the rhythm of a kick and how important that is.

1491
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 1: If you get that screwed up, then then you've got

1492
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: big problems. Yeah, you certainly do. Well, we'll finish on

1493
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: this one. We had four unsportsmanlike conduct penalties yesterday. Haf

1494
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: far too undisciplined. Those are penalties that are never excusable.

1495
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 1: A lot of times they come back to haunt you,

1496
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,480
Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of having the appropriate discipline

1497
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: and keeping the hierarchy of what's important correct in your mind.

1498
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: You are trying to win the game. On Sundays at

1499
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: one o'clock at First Energy Stadium. There's nothing more important

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: in the world for that three hours and fifteen minutes

1501
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: than winning the game. There's no personal vendettas, there's no revenge,

1502
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: there's no t shirts, there's no foolishness. You need to

1503
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: keep the main thing the main thing. And if getting

1504
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: a penalty because you're on disciplined or you lack the

1505
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: mental toughness to be able to just suck it up

1506
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: and deal with it during the next step, then that's

1507
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: a problem. And I'm sorry. I don't have problems for

1508
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: people that put themselves above the team by getting all

1509
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: sorts of personal uh follows and unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Agree,

1510
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: it's the details. It's being taking care of your business.

1511
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: It's given sixty yards to an offense that doesn't need it.

1512
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: They put up fox on their own. We don't need

1513
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: to give any sixty five or sixty for free. Yeah,

1514
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: we got the theme here is we must clean it up.

1515
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: We must be assignment sound, which that's the thing that

1516
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: drives me nuts right now, missing tackling, miss tackles. And

1517
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: then we're not even lined up right like this is

1518
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: the third year in this defense, you know, and I

1519
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: said this earlier, and this I actually want to get

1520
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: your your thought on real quick. Anthony Walker Junior's loss

1521
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: was not talked about enough. It was a massive one,

1522
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: not for just how he was playing, but for his

1523
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: veteran leadership and his understanding of what teams are trying

1524
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 1: to do to the Browns. And I know for a

1525
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: fact that he would talk to the other linebackers or

1526
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: that there is a safety there with him and tell

1527
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: them what was going on, what was going to happen,

1528
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: what they needed to do. When you lose a guy

1529
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: like that, and I think we've seen a little bit

1530
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: of chaos. I think it is a fair way to

1531
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: say it. At the second level of this defense, How

1532
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: big is that? And is that similar to the you know,

1533
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: the center on the offensive line. If you go from

1534
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,879
Speaker 1: somebody who absolutely knows what's going on and gets everybody

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01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: exactly where they need to be in a blocking scheme

1536
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: versus somebody who maybe doesn't know. And you had other

1537
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: guys that feels like who were relying somewhat on Anthony

1538
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: Walker's expertise and that he was making them better and

1539
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: that was just wiped out. And you look at what's

1540
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: happened in the performances of the guys around him since

1541
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: he has left. If you look at the performance of

1542
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: our defense, especially against the run, since he's left, I

1543
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: mean it's astronomical. Z It's worse than the center. He's

1544
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I mean, he is legitimately the guy that

1545
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: is the communication between the defensive line and the secondary

1546
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: behind him. He's the one that is in charge of

1547
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: all the checks. So for people who don't understand, like

1548
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 1: when a defensive call comes in, they're not just running

1549
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: a defense and closing their eyes. Like what they're doing

1550
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: is they get a call like let's say it's a

1551
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: FC just pulling one from out from what I was

1552
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: playing a fcming all front and coverage. So basically, if

1553
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: the offense gets into twenty one personnel and their strength

1554
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: is to the left, he called the defense based on

1555
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: where the strength is and what the personnel is. Now,

1556
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the tight end steps off the

1557
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: ball and goes in motion, and now they're changing the

1558
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: strength or changing what the formation is. He's changing the

1559
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: defense in real time based on what the call all

1560
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: came in from the defensive coordinator. So his ability to

1561
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: change the defense to now having to communicate to the

1562
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: guys behind in case there's a coverage change, and the

1563
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: defensive line in front in case they need to shift

1564
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: based on where the new defense is gonna line up.

1565
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: Like that's all happening in real time. So he is

1566
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: almost even beyond the quarterback of the defense because he

1567
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: is the defensive coordinate of the defense. When he's out there,

1568
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: he's changing the plays based on what the offense is seeing.

1569
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: And like when I played with Ucwell Jackson, who had

1570
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: a lot of experience, like the defensive coordinators, would you

1571
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: even give him more responsibility than that where he could

1572
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: completely check out of something if he saw something from

1573
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: the offense based on his film study, or he heard

1574
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: some of the calls from the offensive lineman, or you

1575
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: heard the quarterback making a check or doing something that

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01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: he'd heard or seen on film from before and he

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: thought he could take advantage of it. He could change

1578
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: the entire defense just at the drop of a hat

1579
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: like that. And so when you got a guy like

1580
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Walker who throws out, I mean the loss certainly

1581
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: has not been talked about enough because from a performance standpoint,

1582
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: but from a getting everybody on the same page and

1583
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: making sure that you're in the right defense for what

1584
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: the offense is doing. Standpoint like, I think that's almost

1585
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: the bigger loss with Anthony Walker certainly not an easy

1586
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: one you're ever gonna get over. Hopefully the d on

1587
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: the acquisition earlier today helps a little bit with that.

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01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,040
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Speaker 1: Daily take a brief look around the a f C,

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Speaker 1: specifically the a f C North. Uh typically half, I

1604
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: am not waiting all day for Sunday night. I at

1605
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: so much football by that point, but last night was

1606
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: an exception. I took off the afternoon games. It was

1607
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: all in on the game between the Bengals and the

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01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: Ravens last night. What did you make of between that

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01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: to get that game between those two ap C North rivals, Well,

1610
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: it was an interesting game when you watched it, because

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01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: we kind of figured with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: that'd be maybe you know, six yards passing, all sorts

1613
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: of offense. But these enters did a fairly decent job

1614
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: limiting those quarterbacks. But I think takeaway was just the

1615
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: type of winner that Lamar Jackson is. And you know,

1616
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: I think Joe Burrold played pretty well down the stretch,

1617
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: but Lamar Jackson only on a D seventy four yards

1618
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: passing and he only had fifty eight yards rushing. But

1619
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: I thought his performance down the stretch, he just finds

1620
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: a way to win UM and I think that's kind

1621
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: of what his career has been all about, is, you know,

1622
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't always do it in the most conventional manner.

1623
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: UM but he's a winner. He finds a way to win.

1624
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: He makes it hard on the defense because of the

1625
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: dynamic nature of which he plays. And then, oh, by

1626
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: the way, we've got the best Tucker, the best kicker

1627
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: of all time, Justin Tucker, who's always willing to nail

1628
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: a field goal when it matters, and as soon as

1629
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: you get the ball and you get down there, you

1630
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: know it's over. We got a kicker that's gonna make it.

1631
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that one day we'll have that in

1632
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: Cleveland as well. Yeah, it would be nice, certainly, Justin

1633
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: Tucker with the exclamation point there. And but I came

1634
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: away again watching this game feeling like this division absolutely compete.

1635
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: Both of these teams, we've just got to do and

1636
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: you can say that about everybody we played so far,

1637
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,440
Speaker 1: but we've got to do it. And that's the frustrating

1638
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: part is there's nothing special in the n f C

1639
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: North this year. They are good football teams. The Angles

1640
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: can be good, the Ravens can be good. We can

1641
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: be good. The Steelers are not good. No, I think

1642
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: honestly because of what I do in the morning of

1643
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of perspective on Cincinnati's thinking, and I

1644
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 1: think that they're even more troubled than like we are

1645
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: with what's happened here, because our stuff is mental breakdown,

1646
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: Like there is something fundamentally wrong with their offense and

1647
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: that they cannot drive the ball down the field and

1648
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: up until last thing it was just so so then

1649
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: even able to run it, like it just doesn't look

1650
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: right offensively for them, and they had expectations of being

1651
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: a team that can get right back to the Super

1652
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: Bowl off and just isn't all the way back for

1653
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: them now. And they're laughing, but I was gonna agree

1654
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: with you there is either offensive line has been a problem,

1655
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: and I think Joe Burrow just not exactly knowing where

1656
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: to go with the football earlier on in the season,

1657
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 1: and I think part of that was because of the

1658
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: training can't be missed with the dependent sitis um. But

1659
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: he came back out there and they were trying to

1660
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: go down the field so much, and I think it

1661
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: was putting a lot of stress on their offensive line.

1662
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: Burl wasn't given to the foot ball, and then it's

1663
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: one of those things that just kind of snowballs, you know,

1664
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: offensive line, They kind of lose confidence that you're gonna

1665
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: get rid of the football as a from the quarterback standpoint.

1666
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: Now they start doing things that are maybe outside of

1667
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: what they should taking risks and chances in their past

1668
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 1: protection that they shouldn't. Then they're getting beat more often.

1669
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: Then the quarterbacks getting beat up, and he doesn't know

1670
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: what his offensive line is gonna do. But you know,

1671
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: they started throwing a few more short passes, which UM

1672
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: worked the week before. UM. I was kind of surprised

1673
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: they didn't kind of continue some of that. But it

1674
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: just seems like they're out of rhythm, like between the

1675
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: quarterback and receiver and offensive line running backs, quarterback. It's

1676
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: just it's not what we came to expect out of

1677
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: the Bengals after making the Super Bowl last year. No,

1678
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: it's not. UM, I suppose we should before we let

1679
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: you go here, we should end on some sort of

1680
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: a positive note and that Pittsburgh's got it a whole

1681
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: lot worse than us. They're drilled by the Bills, they

1682
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: are one in four, they've never had a losing season

1683
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: or Tomlins. They haven't won this year, and I think

1684
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it could really bottom out a little bit.

1685
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of bright spots there for

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Speaker 1: that Pittsburgh team, they're much worse than well, other than

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Speaker 1: the receiver who's pretty good. The kid out of Georgia,

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01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: George Pickets is very good. But other than that, there's

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot uh to look at in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and go boy, they got a long way to go

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01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: over there. Huff. Yeah. I think they kind of hope

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Speaker 1: that with the rookie quarterback, they'd have a really good

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01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: defense that could maybe shepherd them along as Kenny Pickett learned,

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Speaker 1: But without t J. Watt, it's pretty obvious that defense

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01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 1: is completely different. Um, they really have a hard time

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01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: stopping anybody. I mean, they can't stop it on and

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01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: they can't. They can't get after the quarterback, they can't

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: do anything in the secondary to minimize the passing game.

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01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,879
Speaker 1: And Kenny Pickett's just he just doesn't have enough experience

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01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: to really make enough plays to keep him in the

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01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: game at all. And I think right now, you hear

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01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlins, who I think is an excellent coach. He's

1703
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: saying all the right things, he's doing the right things.

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01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see how they react if they're

1705
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: staring at three and nine three and ten later in

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01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: the season, and see what type of a coach he

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01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: looks like when he's faced with those circumstances which he's

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01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: never had to face his entire career. Yeah, it's something,

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01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: and I guess that's the wrap up as we close

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Speaker 1: it up with a year half. Despite it, all the

1711
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: leaders in this vision are three and two. No one's

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01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: looked game busts yet in this in this group, yep.

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Speaker 1: Thing that makes you so upset though, It's like you're

1714
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: sitting here do now and we should be at late

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01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: four and one. However, maybe at the end of the day,

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01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: I think, hopefully as fans, we can come back to

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01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: the fact that we are two and three. Leaders are

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01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: three and two. So what we got to play all

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01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: those guys a bunch more times. There's tons of season

1720
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: left we've played. I think that maybe this is why

1721
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm feeling so frustrated and why everybody feels so frustrated.

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01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: What we've seen is better than what we expected from

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01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,919
Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint, certainly a better team than we even expected,

1724
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: and in fact that we just keep blowing it at

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01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: the end. Is it's so frustrating, Like you do the

1726
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: hard thing and impress us, but you don't do the

1727
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: easy thing. If they could just start doing the easy

1728
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: things down the stretch. This is our division to win.

1729
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: Devil's in the details and we're failing miserably at that.

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01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. Joe is always a cool Thanks. Thanks

1731
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: for having me on guys. Hopefully next week under better circumstances. Yes, please,

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1740
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Speaker 1: Given seven, getting seven, getting seven, getting seven, then Chief's

1741
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: up thirteen, about a minute to go. Derek Carr drops back.

1742
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: He looks right, he looks left. He finds Darren Waller

1743
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field for a meaningless touchdown.

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01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: Great for my fantasy team and great foreign arreas I

1745
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: got Kansas City here, I think they're two great teams

1746
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think it's them, and I think

1747
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: it's Buffalo, and I think everybody else is well behind.

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01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna we'll do around the league a

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01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: little bit tomorrow, obviously, but you think about what happened

1750
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: to Green Bay uh in in London, Tampa Bay barely

1751
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: the best division for the worst pat roughing the pastor

1752
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: call I think in the history of the league, I

1753
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean that's literally how we teach third

1754
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: through fifth graders to tackle? What did they head away from?

1755
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: What was we teach it? It's rugby tackling him? So

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01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: what are they? What are they even? Exactly what we

1757
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 1: you teach to do? You wrap and your teaching tape.

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01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: That's it, it's teaching tape. And they nailed Grady Jarrett

1759
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: Ford is absolutely brutal. You have that to look forward

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01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: to tomorrow, which is nice. Will turn the page. Get

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Speaker 1: into New England as well, the next levels coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listen. Everybody clean the Browns date eight fifty

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Speaker 1: yesp in Cleveland,