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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is nol Guten tag get it. Guys, they call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. You're you that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. And today we're going to uh

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Speaker 1: going to start with a listeners suggestion rather than end

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Speaker 1: do that too, because we all think it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. We are pursuing a topic that people around

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Speaker 1: the world have asked us to cover for several years.

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Speaker 1: So we want to thank Aaron J. Carl l and

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Speaker 1: Avner b Uh. Those are from two thousand sixteen, two

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Speaker 1: we also have our Australian mate, Stefan, who wrote to

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Speaker 1: But guess what, that's not what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 1: That's just a mention of what's happening in the new news,

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Speaker 1: in the news. In the news, we just talked about

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about Nazis again, are we. You did

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Speaker 1: not see it coming, huh? All right, So Nazis are

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Speaker 1: a source of endless speculation in the world of alternative

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Speaker 1: history and fringe research. Right when the passed. We have

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Speaker 1: now begins the legend of the Nazi Bell. In two

426
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Speaker 1: thousand of Polish author named Igor Wittkowski published a book

427
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: called Prauda oh Wounder Waffle or the Truth about the

428
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: Wonder Weapon. And guess what, I didn't pronounce that correctly? U.

429
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: This is reprinted in German as die away at hobb,

430
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: not even going to try that it was reprinted in German.

431
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: So this is the first public printed mention of what

432
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: this guy calls the Nazi Bell. And here is what

433
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: he claims. While conducting some research, he happened upon these

434
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: transcripts from the interrogation of a Nazi s S officer

435
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: named Jacob Sporenberg. And inside this transcript he found the

436
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: first mention of this thing that was called the bell,

437
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: although it was in German and I can't do it correctly,

438
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: so dick luck. So he did all this during his

439
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: time as SS and police leader of Lublin in the

440
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: General Government of Occupied Poland in August of nineteen forty three.

441
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Then he was captured after a relocation in Norway and

442
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: was extensively questioned um Sportinberg was extradited to Poland in

443
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: October of ninety six and then sentenced to death by

444
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: a Polish court in Warsaw in nineteen fifty Uh. The

445
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: sentence was carried out on December six of nineteen fifty two,

446
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: when he was executed by hanging. Um. Then, according to

447
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: what Kowski, he was shown these allegedly classified transcripts in

448
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: August of by an unnamed Polish intelligence contact who said

449
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: he had access to Polish government documents regarding Nazi secret weapons.

450
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: So what Kowski maintains that he was only allowed to

451
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: transcribe the document and was not actually allowed to make

452
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: any copies of no photos, no primary source documentation. Uh.

453
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: And the legend was popularized by an author named Nick Cook,

454
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: who used Witkowski stories in his own book on zero

455
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: point Energy. So there's a lot to unpack here, right, Uh.

456
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: This guy was allegedly shown these documents, shown these transcripts,

457
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: and it seems like that might be a big red

458
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: light that's flashing and tells you, Okay, he's shown these things,

459
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: but he can't document them whatsoever. Um. Okay. It makes

460
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: you wonder about the intentions, if it's true, the intentions

461
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: of the person that showed it to him, And you know,

462
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: it also makes you wonder is this real? Right? So, yeah,

463
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: there's a there's a weak spot in the argument there.

464
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: The first mention of this bell, whatever it might be, uh,

465
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't arrive until decades after the war. Yeah, right, right,

466
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: So when when would this Well, even if we just

467
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: say that the author says it happened in he was

468
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: shown these things. The book comes out in two thousands,

469
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: so it depends on, you know, how much of this

470
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: person's word we want to take for sacrosanct fact. We

471
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: do know that there were Nazi secret weapons because Allied

472
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: powers found a lot of them. We do know that

473
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: in some classified situations are dealing with compartmented compartmentalized information

474
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: as they will call it in the US, that there

475
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: are you know, situations where people are not allowed to

476
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: take photographic evidence or two be provided copies. I mean,

477
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: this is a country where the Supreme Court, which has

478
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: immense power, he doesn't ever doesn't get filmed. You know,

479
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: there are no cameras in the courtroom when the ring

480
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: raiths are in session. But there's nine of them or

481
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: you know there there will be there will be there

482
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: nine spots, so they're looking for the next ring bearer.

483
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: But but also An important detail here is that Spornberg

484
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: is dead. There's no record of him saying anything about

485
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: this any other time, and there's no way with current

486
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: technology that we can ask him. Uh So, what the

487
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: heck is this thing? It wasn't even around, and even

488
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: though it was in two thousand, wasn't really around in

489
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: English much until the author Nick Cook made a book

490
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: looking into people, inventors, entrepreneurs who felt like they had

491
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: discovered of various forms of alternate energy, right, zero point energy,

492
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: anti gravity, stuff like that, all that jazz, all that

493
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: smooth jazz, something that will change the game, right, So what?

494
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: What the heck? What in Sam Hill? What in Sweet

495
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Sninky Pete? Is this Nazi bell thing? Allegedly it was

496
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: an experiment carried out by Third Reich scientists working for

497
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: the s S in a secret German facility known as

498
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: dar Ice or the Giant. Uh. It's in the Wenceslast

499
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: Mine and was close to the Czech border. Do you

500
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: think he's the same king like from the Christmas song

501
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: Good King Wenceslaus? Was that his his mind, his personal

502
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: mind the very same? Unless I mean, like, at least

503
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: at a more logically speaking who knew he was a

504
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Nazi sympathizer. I feel like it's implied in the song.

505
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to revisit that text. I did say

506
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: that without having read the lyrics of I apologized to

507
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the King, good King when Charles last looked down on

508
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: the Feast of Steve Um. I honestly have no idea

509
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It it's a mormonlay round about

510
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: deep and Chris und panzas, what what is this? It's

511
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: a Christmas song? Yeah? What Christmas is a holiday typically

512
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: celebrated at the end of the Gregorian year and invented

513
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: by the Nazis. Well, and that's a totally different thing.

514
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: To a side note, if we have time, I don't

515
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: want to take up too much time, but side note, Uh,

516
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party did have a group of like an

517
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: ideological group that was trying to supplant Christian celebrations with

518
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: a more what they felt was traditionally Germanic based mythos

519
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: and celebration. Oh, we've got to look into that. I

520
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: think we did in the past, right do we talk

521
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: about that? And I get our videos in our audio

522
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: mixed up sometimes, so we'll have to look at it.

523
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: Point being, and you can find it. It's an amazing story.

524
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: But point being, um, yes, the this bell, what the

525
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: heck is it? What in good King Winceslaus is going

526
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: on here? Well, we have to look at a guy

527
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: called General Dr Hans Friedrick Carl Franz Kammler Kammler, who

528
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: oversaw the V two rocket programs. He was born in

529
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: nineteen o one. By the end of the Second World

530
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: War he was almost as powerful as SS Chief Heinrich

531
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Himmler Uh and the Armaments Minister who is Albert Spear

532
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: had access to the nazis most advanced technology, including the

533
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: V one and V two rockets, And these things are

534
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: some of the only those rockets are some of the

535
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: only weapons that came out in enough time to actually

536
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: reign destruction. Right. The design didn't get rushed into a

537
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: point where it was non viable. But as a lot

538
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: of military historians tell you, it came down to, you know,

539
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: a matter of a couple of years or months if

540
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: if this technology, if more of this technology rolled out,

541
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: the war could have ended priently. This was the guy

542
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: in charge of a lot of that, this General Kambler. Yes, yes,

543
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: And in addition to designing and supervising secret weapons, because

544
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: he was also an engineer. He also approved and designed

545
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: crematoriums in Auschwitz, and he was associated with some of

546
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: the darkest, most disturbing things. So pretty broad skill set

547
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: of evil. Yeah, right is a utility evil player. But

548
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: his uh, but his the primary thing he was known

549
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: for at the time was supervising the secret weapon programs.

550
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: And this, this German facility, in this mind was a

551
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: real thing. Right. The bell, the bell? Right, the bell

552
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: is the question, the maddening tin tin abulation of hearsay

553
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: and rumor in the telephone game we call History. Here's

554
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: what Wokowski, as told by Cook, says. The bell appears

555
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: to be. Says, it's made out of a hard, heavy metal,

556
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: approximately nine ft wide twelve to fifteen ft high, and

557
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: it's similar in shape to that of a large church

558
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: bell or handbell. So you know, it's got a it's

559
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: got a bigger lip or rim at the bottom, and

560
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: then it tapers up to a to this rounded, rounded

561
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: top the nipple, which is the technical term. Uh, you know.

562
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: And there are various kinds of bells, so you know,

563
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: they're like Krillian bells, which are tubular. We won't we

564
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: don't want to mislead you think about the Liberty bell,

565
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: think about big old steel bell. Yeah, huge heavy contraptions.

566
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: So it looks like that. And according to Makowski or

567
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: Cook's account of interview in Wakowski, this device had two

568
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: counter rotating cylinders, so one would be or they both

569
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: be filled with a mercury like substance which was violet

570
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: in color. And it was code named ZIOM five to

571
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: five with that zerom with an X, and it was

572
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: stored in a small, thin uh flask that was about

573
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: a meter high and encased in lead. So they also

574
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: said that there were additional substances used in the experiments,

575
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: referred to as light metal, and they included things like

576
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: thorium and beryllium peroxides. That's a quote. Wow, so reactive

577
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: things than could perhaps being nuclear powered if you use

578
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: them in a certain way. Yes, yeah, exactly, so, Waikowski

579
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: says to Cook. He says this bell, when they activated it,

580
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: it also needed a tremendous amount of power. He says

581
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: that when they activated it had what he called an

582
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: effect zone that extended fred sixty ft um hm. And

583
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: that seems like an arbitrary measurement and feet, but that's

584
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: because you know this is this is in Europe and

585
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: in every other part of the world except for mean

586
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: mar and the US and I think Namibia. Everybody else

587
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: uses the metric system. So we set a hundred and

588
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: fifty two. So what would happen when this effect zone was,

589
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: you know, in full effect when it was charged up

590
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: cooking with zero five to five. Well, allegedly, if you're

591
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: an animal and you have cells of an animal, blood

592
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: of an animal, uh, it would form into crystals and

593
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: uh like blood would turn into gel and separate, while

594
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: plants would just turn into this greasy I guess a

595
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: grease like substance, something that just looks nasty, kind of

596
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: like control to um when they would eat the green

597
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: goo uh and they turned into plants and then they

598
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: would descend a great into a puddle of greenish snot goo.

599
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Yeah, or like when people would as

600
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: a control too, right yeah, yeah, I actually have it

601
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: on my computer now turned out. Yeah, it's kind of

602
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: like Indiana Jones when they look at the Ark of

603
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the Covenant, right. Yeah. I think Troll two was probably

604
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: if we're aiming for accuracy and our own references, control

605
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: two is probably better because they do end up being

606
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: goo at the end of the troll process. Here's one

607
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: of the worst parts about testing a weapon like this,

608
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: when there's an effect zone and you have to manipulate

609
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: the stuff and turn it on and make adjustments. Well, sometimes,

610
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: and in this case, according to this gentleman, the scientists

611
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: become victims. There are five of the seven original scientists

612
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: allegedly died over the course of testing this thing. And

613
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: now we get to some of the architecture here. So

614
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: Wadkowski states that there are the ruins near the winces.

615
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: Last mind, there are ruins of a concrete framework and

616
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: there's one thing called the hinge. This looks like a

617
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: frame with hooks attached that make people think it was

618
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: the spot to test a UM, a vehicle of some

619
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: sort or some kind of engine, something that had propellant abilities.

620
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: And it's called the hinge because it's reminiscent, well very

621
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: slightly reminiscent to Stonehenge, because it is a constructed and

622
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: obviously constructed thing of stone um but they're standing rocks,

623
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: and it is right next to a former secret underground

624
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: research facility made by the Nazi parties, made by a

625
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: state actor at the time, which was also made using

626
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: slave labor. I feel like we have to point that out.

627
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: If you are in the vicinity and you would like

628
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: to check this out and maybe send your old pals

629
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff some photographic evidence while you, of course avoid

630
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: any possible field effects. You can find the You can

631
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: find the mine with the coordinates that I will read

632
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: to you now. It's uh fifty degrees ut seven forty

633
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: three north and sixteen degrees forty east. Dare you have it? So,

634
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: people who believe in this Nazi bell idea believe that

635
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: they see this structure as evidence that there was actual

636
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: experimentation with maybe some sort of anti gravity propulsion, maybe

637
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: some sort of other advanced application of physics that we

638
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: perhaps don't yet understand. The anti gravity thing is what

639
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I've heard most, or the zero point energy idea that

640
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: this thing, once you turned it on, it started generating

641
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: its own power. It took a lot of energy to

642
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: turn it on. Right. Once it's on, it's like, hey,

643
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna run forever. Yeah, it's very It's like Mick

644
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: Jagger and start me up. How However, for people who

645
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: think this is not true, that structure itself is just

646
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: another ruin and they say, well, if it looks like anything,

647
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: it looks like a cooling tower. Right. So the really

648
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: crazy part what what was it supposed to do? We've

649
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: mentioned it being like thought of as a weapon, We've

650
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: mentioned it being thought of as a vehicle, but what

651
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: what gives? What's the skinny? Can we Cliff hang here

652
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: for a second? Sponsor brig Well, as a lot of

653
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: these reports are, we are pretty much entering the realm

654
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: of wild speculation. Uh, if I didn't have a shoulder injury,

655
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: I would be gesticulating wildly. Um So everything after the

656
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: original claim by what cow Key itself is completely unsupported. Um.

657
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: It delves into pretty arbitrary or at least unproven territory.

658
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: But that has never stopped us on this show, so

659
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: let us sally forth. For example, in the book Hitler's

660
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: Suppressed and Still Secret Weapons, science and technology, author Henry

661
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Stevens concludes that the violet mercury like substance described by

662
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: Witkowski could only be red mercury because normal mercury quote

663
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: has no fluid compounds according to conventional wisdom. So what

664
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: what is? What is red mercury? Ben? I'm so glad

665
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: you asked the stuff that's in the thermometers, right, Well,

666
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: that's what I thought about too initially. That's that that's

667
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: that's mercury. And the difference between those mercuries is the

668
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: mercury your thermometers is real. It's a it's a real

669
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: proven thing. Red mercury, at least at this point, is

670
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: a hoax substance. And you can tell in some ways

671
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: because the author Stevens, his source for this claim is,

672
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: of course, as n All said, conventional wisdom. Right, many,

673
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: many people have had worse things happen because of their

674
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom. What's that old saying about common sense being

675
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: the rarest thing. Uh? There there was an interesting article

676
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: that talks a little bit about red mercury because for

677
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: a while there's a little bit of intrigue in here. Okay,

678
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: So for a while there there was this idea that

679
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: separatist groups or terrorist groups or militias around the world

680
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: would be able to get their hands on a substance

681
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: that they called red mercury, and I thought was very,

682
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: very dangerous. And it turned out that there's pretty convincing

683
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: evidence whomever was making this red mercury claim was a

684
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: state intelligence agency, a state actor, um possibly one of

685
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam's boys who was was doing like a sting

686
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: operation on these people. So it had all these rumors

687
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: about it. It's putency, how dangerous and rare it was,

688
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: how it could create the equivalent of a nuclear bomb blast. Yeah,

689
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: because it's it's an explosive, right, and non non exploding explosive,

690
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: so one that's safe to handle, but then we'll explode

691
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: when I guess activated. And I love the idea of

692
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: a non exploding explosive. It just seems like a like

693
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: a gag gift. I can't call it the dudget. I

694
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: wanted an explosive that actually explodes. We got you. Well,

695
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: that's like that's like a that's like a terrorist break,

696
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: but in this case, it's it's almost the equivalent of

697
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: a nuclear explosion if you had enough of this stuff,

698
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: at least according to the legends, if we're real. But

699
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: it's almost like yellow Cake is something I remember hearing

700
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: about back in the day and not knowing at all

701
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: what it was and just having crazy ideas because I

702
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: hadn't done any research on what yellow cake was. Um,

703
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: I feel like you hear something like red mercury. I

704
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the same thing applies, you think, oh,

705
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: it must be real. Yeah. That's part of the clever

706
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: cleverness behind those kinds of manipulative things is you have

707
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: this idea of of two things that you you understand conceptually.

708
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: I know what mercury is, I'm aware of the color red,

709
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: and you put them together and then it seems somehow

710
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: still understandable because they're not contradictory. Right, So it's it's

711
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: an understandable but distressing thing at this point, if we're

712
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: being completely fair, at this point, there is no universally

713
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: accepted proof of something called red mercury. That is the

714
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: most fair we can be about it. But let us

715
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: not stop there, because Steven's further allegesce that there is

716
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: a concave mirror. Um Steven, Okay, here, here's how he

717
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: says it. He relays an anecdote from a guy who

718
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: when he was thirteen in nine in the nineteen sixties,

719
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: the scientists told him about a device that had a

720
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: concave mirror on the top of it, and the description

721
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: of it matched in the author's opinion, or maybe in

722
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: the person's interviewings opinion, it matched the description of the bell,

723
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and that this concave mirror provided the ability to see

724
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: quote images from the past during its operation, and this

725
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: line of thought led other authors to claim the Bell

726
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: is some sort of time traveling technology or time viewing device,

727
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the Palanteer and Lord of the Rings,

728
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, the Deadly Crystal Ball. I'm getting images of Contact,

729
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: the movie Contact, where there's this device that spins really fast,

730
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: and then you can drop something through it, and it

731
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: can time travel through time, I guess, or in some

732
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: way I see, yeah, because they say only eight minutes past. Yeah.

733
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so I'm imagining the bell being these two

734
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: spinning things and then maybe you can even drop something

735
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: through it, or maybe the person inside of it is

736
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: time traveling if you can climb in it. Well, I'm

737
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: immensely glad that you mentioned UFOs, matt because or aliens

738
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: or extra terrestrials, because if you happen to check out

739
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: things on the Discovery Network or History Channel there uh

740
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: infamous love to Hate It, Hate to Love It? Uh

741
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: program Ancient Aliens, You'll see that the Nazi Bell is

742
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: associated with UFOs in those things, and we'll we'll get

743
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: to that in just a second, and it all really

744
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: goes back to the idea of where this thing ended up. Right,

745
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: So we've got Kammeler disappears after the war. People say

746
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: he commits suicide and that's the official story. Well what

747
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: really happened as he disappeared and the world's going to

748
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: heck in a handbasket for Germany, so they have to

749
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: get rid of this technology, right And obviously no one

750
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: found a bell and went public with it. So according

751
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: to people who believe in its existence, this either ended

752
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: up in South America. And that's related to a lot

753
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: of other fringe theories, uh, and some fringe facts that

754
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: we are we are already aware of. You probably have

755
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: heard this a million times if you check out our

756
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: if you enjoy our show, And that is the idea

757
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: of Nazis escaping World War two through the Vatican at

758
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: times Vatican sponsored ratlines and living out and in in

759
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: some isolated cases, living their entire natural lives out um

760
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: punishment free in areas of South America. So people believe

761
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: that the bell was a real thing that hasn't been found.

762
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: I think that Kamler brought it with him or somehow

763
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: sent it to South America where it resides. Just imagine

764
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: folks in the jungle today, stay away from bells in

765
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: the woods, regardless of what size they are. Just in general,

766
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: if it's not your bell, don't touch it. Or it

767
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: ended up somewhere else. What if it ended up in Kentucky,

768
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: y'all ah, Yes, Kentucky. The logical the logical destination. There's

769
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: this thing that we may have touched on before year.

770
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I know we've touched on it in our video series

771
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: the Kecksburg Incidents. This is a UFO and unidentified flying

772
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: object that came down in nineteen six on December nine.

773
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: It was originally thought to be a meteorite or called

774
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: a meteor right, that's what it was thought to be. Well,

775
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: current researchers just believed that this was a g E

776
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: Mark two that's General Electric reentry vehicle that was launched

777
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: by the Air Force as a spy satellite, which very

778
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: plausible in my union. Unfortunately, this one just fell out

779
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: of orbit and then landed in Kentucky, as it does. Yeah,

780
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: but originally, of course the Kentucky gets all the meteors

781
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: and fallen satellites. But there's a lot of hubble hubble balue, hubbalu.

782
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this a hubble joke.

783
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: There's a hullabaloo hubble blue, hubble blue, hubble balue, more

784
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: like hillbilly blue. But of course there was a lot

785
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: of hullabaloo at the time when this kick, when the

786
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: keck Sprig incident occurred, because this thing was was bright

787
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: and it appeared to enter the atmosphere and then crash somewhere,

788
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh man, it's a UFO you

789
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: guys well, and technically it is, yeah, well, it was

790
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: a flying saucer that crashed Holmes right, the homes as

791
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: they called each other. But be that as it may.

792
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: Pun making prodigies though we may be, there is a

793
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: there is an unfunny and inescapable truth here, which is,

794
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: of course, the government most likely lied to these people.

795
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: The Caxberg incident is different because civilians got there first,

796
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: and we're able to look at this in detail. But

797
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: imagine if you're you're a state power, right, you have

798
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: to control what your enemies would see or what other

799
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: people would see. Right, So having a spy satellite fall

800
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: first off, very fortunate for it to fall in the

801
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: contiguous US. Uh. But you you have to get that

802
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: out because you don't want other people talking about something

803
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: that you know, your rivals in the U. S. S

804
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: R or what have you will immediately recognize when they

805
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: hear it described. So, as far as we know now,

806
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: it was probably the satellite that Matt described. But at

807
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: the time, you can't blame people for thinking this is

808
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: Tunguska event all over again, or this is a piece

809
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: of alien technology, because who at that time would have

810
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: seen a satellite up close. And by the way, guys,

811
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: we have an entire audio episode on the Kesburg incident.

812
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: If you're interested and you want to learn more about him.

813
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: We've described everything that happened more detail. Yeah, check it

814
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: out and go there now when you're done with this,

815
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: But be kind. Yes, it was an earlier so it

816
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: was awesome. This is an awesome This is an awesome thing.

817
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: This this idea that there could be technology that's beyond

818
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: what we even possessed today in And of course this

819
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: is just my opinion, and I don't know why you

820
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: guys feel about this, but I'm pretty convinced I have

821
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: certitude that the technology that militaries have is at the

822
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: minimum several years in vance of the civilian stuff. Just right,

823
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: I think it's compounded over time too. We never really

824
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: knew the top speed of the the yeah, right, until

825
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: until it was in museums. Yep, you know it was retired,

826
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: or about how it expanded its metal and stuff. It

827
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: was designed so it could expand because it got so

828
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: hot and went so fast. I just want a million

829
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: terabyte thumb drive. When can I have that? I guess

830
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: when you start working for DARPA. Man, it's a million terabytes.

831
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: That's that's a name for them, right, is that a

832
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: that's a lot hep heppa byte, a pepper bite. I

833
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: think they call it king size bagel bite. Someone right

834
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: to us conspiracy and how stuff works, and let us

835
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: know what a million terabyte drive would be. All right, man,

836
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: we'll get back on track. I apologize, No, I want

837
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: to know. Um. So we we have all these questions.

838
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: This this story leaves us with more questions. Some of

839
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: them are psychological, some of them are material, and some

840
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: of them are a little bit more philosophical. So it's

841
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: true that we will never have complete answers to many

842
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: questions surrounding World War two. If you believe that a

843
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of people sappeared in the Vietnam War first you

844
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: are correct, but World War two had probably even more

845
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: people just wiped off the face, even more soldiers went missing. Right.

846
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: We know for example that uh, this the thing that

847
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: we all grew up being taught was Hitler's skull by

848
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Speaker 1: in possession of the Soviet Party. I believe was not

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Speaker 1: in fact his skull. No, it was a female. But

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Speaker 1: there was a jaw part of a job that was

851
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: found that was supposedly Hitler's that was identified by people

852
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: at the time, at least according to Skeptoid, which is

853
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: what I was reading. And this feeds into, you know,

854
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: this feeds into the propagation of theories of Hitler escaping

855
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: and living to be somewhere else, uh, living his natural

856
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: life out somewhere else, maybe South America. But if we

857
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: can't arrive immediately a good answers, we can ask increasingly

858
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: well informed questions. So the first question about this particular

859
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: device that sounds straight out of science fiction, right, uses

860
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: is either an ancient and ancient power source descended from

861
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: real in the flying machines right that appear in the

862
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: Bahagavad Gita and are rediscovered in in some sort of

863
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: occult field trip on the side of Nazi party um

864
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: or some space age thing that never been built on

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Speaker 1: Earth before. If either way, if it's so advanced, here's

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Speaker 1: question number one, why did the Access lose the war? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they had UFOs, if if there were underground bases,

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Speaker 1: if there was revolutionary technology, then why did they lose

869
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: the war? Well, first of all, it melted all the scientists,

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Speaker 1: so they couldn't finish the thing. Five out of seven

871
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: five well probably maybe the good ones. The last two

872
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: were like this, associate scientists, it was like this first day. Yeah,

873
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: that's I mean, yeah, that's that's I think that's an answer.

874
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: Assuming the s S officer really did mention some sort

875
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: of device like the bell in an interrogation, how much

876
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: could he have actually known or understood. Sure, he was

877
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: a notoriously bad person and an effective um effective at

878
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: what he did in the military, but nothing he did

879
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: had a technical or scientific role in his entire career.

880
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: So it's possibly that you could have seen something and

881
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: been mistaken. It's possible that he could have never mentioned it. Yep,

882
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: it's possible there could have been some miscommunication and then Kammeler,

883
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,959
Speaker 1: the guys in charge of the two rockets. In this case,

884
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: we do have an answer. Officially committed suicide at the

885
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: end of the war, yet growing evidence indicates that the

886
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: US faked his death, gave him a brand new identity

887
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: in America, secretly using his knowledge of weaponry to advance

888
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: their own studies, which means that he was never prosecuted.

889
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: And this is never prosecuted in a country that will

890
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: lock people up for life for non violent drug offenses,

891
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: right in a country that has three strike offenses to

892
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: the point where you know, children can be locked up

893
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: for the better part of their natural life. So whatever

894
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: happened to that giant underground complex, well, it remains in

895
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: ruins today, unfinished, just kind of hanging out, sitting there.

896
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: And get this, it's only one of the just multiple

897
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: underground storage facilities that the Nazis built. At The thought

898
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: there's some magic alien crystals buried in that mess somewhere, well,

899
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: I okay, it's possible that there's undiscovered stuff like that

900
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: out there. It's possible, like tiny, itty, tiny bit possible.

901
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: But it's been a long time, right, it's been decades

902
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: of there are governments that would have an interest in

903
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: anything to any kind of technology or magic that may

904
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: exist out there, and you'd think that they would go

905
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: through it, but maybe not. And we do know that

906
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: camera was in charge of you know, eight or nine

907
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: of these things. They were dug out pretty extensively because

908
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: it was one of the only ways to protect uh secret,

909
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: this sort of secret experimental research from Allied bombers because well,

910
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: it's not like documents they could have shredded, you know,

911
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: like when the when when the jig was up and

912
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: the Nazis were being toppled and everyone was coming in,

913
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: ransacking their facilities, their bunkers, what have you. It would

914
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: be pretty difficult to cover their tracks on something this large. Yeah,

915
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: it's true, I mean, yeah, but it could be like

916
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: the tombs like King Tut's tombs are other tombs that

917
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: are yet to be discovered that just maybe we haven't

918
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: used the light ar technology on it yet in these areas,

919
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, to find the secret bunker parts inside the

920
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: secret bunker you were all about that light are I mean,

921
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: it's one of the coolest technologies that exists right now,

922
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: I think. And so there we are concluding for now

923
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: our story of the Nazi Belt. We looked into this

924
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:01,479
Speaker 1: extensively and without saying that it is is without saying

925
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: that it's like our purposeful hoax or anything. The best

926
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: we can say is that we found evidence of very

927
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: very strange things like these underground facilities, right, and we

928
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: know that we know that had the timing worked out differently,

929
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: the technological advances that that Germany was researching at the

930
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: time could well have changed the tide of war, including

931
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: their research into nuclear weapons uh nuclear warheads specifically, and

932
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: they were much closer than a lot of a lot

933
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: of people might imagine. But we couldn't find anything about

934
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: the Nazi Bell before the year two thousand. If you

935
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: want to be you know, if you if you want

936
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: to entirely accept the claims made in the book, we

937
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: would like to hear what you think about the Nazi Bell.

938
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more about this from maybe

939
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: a more conspiratorial angle, check out The Brotherhood of the Bell,

940
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: check out the other two books we mentioned here, and

941
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: most importantly, if you have if you have some ideas

942
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: or some insight that we haven't heard yet, we'd love

943
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: to hear from you. And speaking of listeners, just like you,

944
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: it's time for shut up corners. Our first shout out

945
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: today comes from Alex h. Alex says, I'm listening to

946
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: your Grimoire episode now, and I thought I would send

947
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: you something of insider perspective. Something of an insider's perspective,

948
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: he says. Um. I had Narnia and Middle Earth as

949
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: my bedtime stories from a young age. Once I could read,

950
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: I devoured the mythology and folklore sections of my local library.

951
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic, but after my mother became very

952
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: ill in my teenage years, I had a crisis of

953
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: faith and began to doubt what I had been told.

954
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: When I got to college, I discovered weed, LSD and mushrooms.

955
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: As you do, you know, whatever whatever tickles your third

956
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I um, and it really altered what I believed was possible.

957
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: I grant Morrison's comic book series The Invisibles, huge favorite

958
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: of the show around the same time, and was enthralled

959
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: by its wild, experimental, psycho sexual, spiritual, spy conspiracy story.

960
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: That is a mouthful. Um, try as I might, and

961
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: I really did. After that, I couldn't just put the

962
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: genie back in the bottle. So I tried Buddhism for

963
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: a while and yoga and the whole amelia that comes

964
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: with that, but it never completely squared with my worldview.

965
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: Western occultism is the only thing that has. Ultimately, what

966
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: it comes down to is the fact that belief is

967
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: a choice, a belief in, and the practice of magic

968
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: works for me. It is anecdotal, much of it is psychological,

969
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: and obviously it stands against the dominant paradigm of modern society.

970
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: But the simple fact is when I am practicing, I

971
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: feel happy and engaged with the world in a way

972
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: that I do not under normal circumstances. Severe depression has

973
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: been a condition of my existence for much of my life. Um,

974
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: and if the fix for that is something most people

975
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: would consider crazy, so be it. It's worth it to

976
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: live in an enchanted world. It's a beautiful sentiment. Um. Anyway,

977
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: those are my two cents. Love the podcast, you have

978
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: the great work. I couldn't agree more. Um. I'm not

979
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: a religious person myself. I begrudge no one that practices

980
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: religion if they do so respectfully of others, and it

981
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: is something that works for them and keeps them on

982
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: a path they find to be you know, successful, uh,

983
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: mentally and spiritually. It doesn't work for me, but I

984
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: see plenty of people in my life that use religion

985
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: as a tool to kind of guide their lives in

986
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: an ordered way, and this is no different in my opinion.

987
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for writing in like h that is

988
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful sentiment. I think we all agree here. Yeah,

989
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: and we definitely share your from childhood interest in the

990
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: uh Folklore and Mythology section at the library. So who's next?

991
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: Our next message comes from Kelsey says, Hey, guys, I'm

992
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: a new listener and I've been going back through the archive.

993
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: Have been catching up on old episodes. I got to

994
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: the cannibalism one and y'all said you were wondering what

995
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: your listeners were doing while they were listening about such

996
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: a dark subject. Well, I'm an electrical engineer student doing

997
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: research with semiconductors and I like listening to your podcasts

998
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: while I catalog samples, read papers, do homework, etcetera. Today,

999
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: while I was cataloging and listening, I got a surprise

1000
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: phone interview for a full time position after I graduate.

1001
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: Congratulations Kelsey, that is a huge accomplishment and such good news.

1002
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: It went well. But it's hard to talk about green

1003
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: technology when you just heard about someone's testicles being fed

1004
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sorry that apron it was

1005
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: uh sorry, Kelsey, but you know we we are very

1006
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 1: glad that you got that good news. Kelsey says, love

1007
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: the podcast PS. I'll let you know if I get it. Well,

1008
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: we certainly hope you do. I Kelsey, you, first off,

1009
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: we're sending you good vibes, unanimously and immensely and profoundly

1010
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: sending good vibes. I gotta say your your comments. Your

1011
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: comment regarding testicles and cannibalism reminds me. I do a

1012
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: live show on Facebook called snack Stuff where we try

1013
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: strange and weird snacks from around the world. You could

1014
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: check it out Tuesday's three pm Eastern Standard time every

1015
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And we also have a food show

1016
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 1: that's come out, which I can say is good because

1017
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm not part of it. It's called food Stuff. It's

1018
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: about the science and culture of everything wonderful, weird, delicious,

1019
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: and gusta tory. But neither of those shows have covered

1020
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: cannibalism yet. Right give a time, they'll run into topics.

1021
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: Have you eaten testicles yet? On Snacks Stuff? I have

1022
01:05:54,600 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: not volunteers. Oh and point of order, lest we not forget,

1023
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: the month of March is tripod month. That's with it.

1024
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: Why try a pod cast? That's right, hashtag tripod, hashtag

1025
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: that try it, then hashtag it used the hashtag tripod

1026
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: when you're tweeting out your favorite podcast recommendations for your friends,

1027
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: whoever and so um today, I've got one. I'm a

1028
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast How Did This Get Made?

1029
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: With Paul Sheer and Jason Manzukas from the League and

1030
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: also Paul's hilarious wife June Diane Riffael, where they basically

1031
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: just riff and rip on crappy movies. Yeah, they all

1032
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: get together. They'll watch it separately or together and then

1033
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: just talk about it and it is hilarious. They're part

1034
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: of the ear Wolf group of podcasts and some of

1035
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: my favorite if I ever go on a trip, I've

1036
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: got that show in comedy Bang Bang and several others

1037
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: of theirs just rocking in my car. I can't recommend

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Speaker 1: it highly enough. Yeah, for sure, So get out there

1039
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Speaker 1: and try a pod They did Hackers not long ago.

1040
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: Hackers is the best. That's yeah, that's the one where

1041
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: June doesn't understand what the Little BB eight Toys mission is.

1042
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: She's like, what's its mission? And everyone just cracks up

1043
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: because it's like, what's its mission? It's wonderful you never

1044
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. In the meantime, this concludes our

1045
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: gosh and our episode, but not our show. What would

1046
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: you like to explore with us next? Please let us

1047
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: know you In the meantime, you can check out our Facebook, Twitter,

1048
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: and Instagram, where we are Conspiracy Stuff and Conspiracy Stuff Show, respectively.

1049
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: You can check out every episode that Noel, Matt and

1050
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: I have done on Nazis in our website Stuff they

1051
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And if all that hubble

1052
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Speaker 1: of blue hill Billy Blue, hubble of Billy ballue wa

1053
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Speaker 1: ba ba blue Baba wa bamboo at blue the beluga

1054
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: like the marine animal hubble hubble hubblu beluga. Now all right, well,

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Speaker 1: if you could tell us how to spell any of

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Speaker 1: those words we just said, we definitely want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. You can write to us directly. Our email

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Speaker 1: is conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.