WEBVTT - Aquamarine with Demma Strausbaugh & Imani Davis

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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<v Speaker 1>women and them all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism the patriarchy zeph and Beast

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<v Speaker 1>start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie is the prettiest girl in the whole wide world.

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<v Speaker 1>Kidly, it is the most beautiful person I've ever shared.

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<v Speaker 3>A wing your life, Like, I, okay, can I be honest?

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<v Speaker 2>Those earrings are so creepy.

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<v Speaker 3>I would rip my fucking ear off. I would be

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<v Speaker 3>like get like those things are killers, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the second you fall asleep they start saying bad shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that was I couldn't stop thinking about the second

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<v Speaker 3>the second they were like what's the It's like that

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<v Speaker 3>old god, why did my brain go here? But like

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<v Speaker 3>that old Lemon joke where she's like you should kill yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like that's what the starfish earrings do the second

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<v Speaker 3>you start to drift off to sleep. And also, for

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<v Speaker 3>a reason, on the Wikipedia page for this movie, they're

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<v Speaker 3>all credited as the voices of their own starfish earings

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like, okay, say less, like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, this is not information we needed.

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<v Speaker 3>I reject that information. I yeah, the starfish earings, they've

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<v Speaker 3>gotta go, or at least like they needed a different voice.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing is more obvious to me that my love language

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<v Speaker 4>is words of affirmation than in this moment. Because I

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<v Speaker 4>was into it, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Got into the ocean and scavenge these tiny little starfish earings.

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<v Speaker 4>I was honestly a little scared to say something. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, they weren't into it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, speak your truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all opinions are welcome, but you're right and objectively

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<v Speaker 3>terrifying starfish hearings.

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<v Speaker 4>In retrospect, it is a creepy voice.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that they like do themselves is very interesting

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<v Speaker 5>and adds a new flavor.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess it's self love and that's nice,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's still creepy.

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<v Speaker 6>The mommy is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have enough faith in my own like my

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<v Speaker 3>version of self love sustains for like a minute at

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<v Speaker 3>a time. Like I would not go to sleep with

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<v Speaker 3>those things on, because it gets dark. It gets that's

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<v Speaker 3>when the dark thoughts come at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Hello, and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Caitlyn Tourante, and Caitlin is the prettiest girl in

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<v Speaker 2>the word.

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<v Speaker 3>My name's Jamie Loftus and she sucks and she deserves

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<v Speaker 3>to die. And this is the Bechtel Cast, our podcast

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<v Speaker 3>where we take a look at your favorite movies using

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<v Speaker 3>an intersectional feminist lens, also using the Bechdel Test as

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<v Speaker 3>a jumping off point for discussion. But Caitlin, what the

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<v Speaker 3>hell is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, it's a media metric created by queer cartoonist

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. There are

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<v Speaker 2>many versions of it. Ours is do two characters of

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<v Speaker 2>a marginalized gender have names? Do they speak to each other?

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<v Speaker 2>And is the conversation about something other than a man?

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<v Speaker 2>And we also like it when it's a narratively substantial

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<v Speaker 2>conversation and not just throw away dialogue.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And today we are talking about a movie that

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<v Speaker 3>I believe has been a consistent request for the entirety

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<v Speaker 3>of this show, of this program, and we have finally

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<v Speaker 3>found the right guests to discuss this beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible work. Yes, because they're both mermaids. Yes, it took

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<v Speaker 2>us this long, but we finally.

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<v Speaker 3>Have expert opinions. Look, if you keep your podcast on

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<v Speaker 3>long enough, you will have mermaids as guests. Alfred Molina

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<v Speaker 3>then mermaids. How that's how.

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<v Speaker 2>It works, a natural trajectory.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're covering the two thousand and six classic

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<v Speaker 3>Dare I Say Aqua Marine, based on the book by

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<v Speaker 3>Alice Hoffman.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. And our guests joining us are the hosts of Players,

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<v Speaker 2>a film industry podcast. It's Dumma Strasbaugh and Immani Davis.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, thank you guys so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thanks for having us, thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 6>Excited to dive in.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, cooking already cooking already, Amani?

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<v Speaker 4>Who told? Who told that we were murmaid?

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<v Speaker 5>I know?

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<v Speaker 6>I swear?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry to docs you.

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<v Speaker 3>I love I'm so excited to talk about this movie

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<v Speaker 3>because the Mermaid rules to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me are so chaotic.

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<v Speaker 3>I love them. They're just like whatever they're Also she

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<v Speaker 3>is she's a mermaid, but also she's a genie, but

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<v Speaker 3>she doesn't follow the genie rules. She's like, there's no rules,

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<v Speaker 3>it's whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only one wish, not three.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and one wish with no rules?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Does she say you can't kill someone or does she not?

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<v Speaker 2>Even the only stipulation she gives is that it has

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<v Speaker 2>to follow it can't like violate the laws of nature, which, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>she said that it's very open to interpretation. I think

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<v Speaker 2>so that, Yeah, that's the only thing with the genie wish,

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<v Speaker 2>the one genie wish she grants. Her Mermaid rules are

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<v Speaker 2>basically like gremlins rules, because it's like she can't get

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<v Speaker 2>wet and during the daytime it's okay, but like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is it for gremlins after midnight? You can't feed them

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>You certainly can't get them wet, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You certainly can't get them on.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, I Aquamarine actually does need to be wet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a bit of a reverse gremlin because she has

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<v Speaker 3>to be wet at midnight because she's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fish, right, But I guess the rules for her to

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<v Speaker 2>be a human or to be in human form are

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<v Speaker 2>the like you can't get her and it's only during

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<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very complex text, very complex text. So Rich,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk about our experiences with this, Amani, what's your

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<v Speaker 3>history with Aquamarine, the book, the movie, the idea.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I did't gets to read.

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<v Speaker 5>The book when I was younger, but I remember the

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<v Speaker 5>movie coming out and being like super hyped and revisiting it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like such a Y two K time capsule, and

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I definitely found myself being like I

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<v Speaker 5>want to be a mermaid for Halloween, Like I want

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<v Speaker 5>blue hair streaks, I want some of these starfish earrings.

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<v Speaker 5>And so there's like there was this longing to like

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<v Speaker 5>be in this world of helping out my mermaid friend

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<v Speaker 5>get the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Ho title is old as Time, a tale whil it's okay, okay, Dema,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your relationship with it?

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<v Speaker 4>Slumber parties come to mind. It was a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>parallel giggling with the characters on screen. It's very much

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<v Speaker 4>for me a like Friendship Watch, where we were absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>gagged at the jokes and just falling for it and

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<v Speaker 4>very into it. And my child I obviously have very

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<v Speaker 4>different opinions about it now, which we'll get into, but

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<v Speaker 4>when I was younger was totally into.

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<v Speaker 7>All of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And also I was like, oh, this movie taught me

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<v Speaker 4>about true love, which I was very into when I

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<v Speaker 4>was young as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do love the true love between friends is

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<v Speaker 3>so beautiful. My history with aquamarinas I more clearly remember

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<v Speaker 3>reading the book than seeing the movie. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>saw the movie at like a sleepover. But I very

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<v Speaker 3>clearly remember reading the book in sometime in elementary school

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<v Speaker 3>and really loving it. Obviously love a mermaid. For a

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<v Speaker 3>long time, it was the only thing I could draw,

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<v Speaker 3>so people thought I was really into mermaids, which is

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<v Speaker 3>probably why I was given that book, But it was

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<v Speaker 3>just the only thing I could draw was a mermaid

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<v Speaker 3>that looked kind of fucked up. But yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 3>being really affected by the book because the friends, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was also because I had a good friend when

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<v Speaker 3>I was a kid who moved away. But the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that I kept like expecting and when I was watching

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<v Speaker 3>the movie, I like felt that little pang again of

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<v Speaker 3>like oh my god. And then they don't enough together

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<v Speaker 3>at the end. It makes me so sad. I just remember,

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<v Speaker 3>like more clearly than any of the weird mermaid rules.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember the differences between the book and

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<v Speaker 3>the movie, but yeah, like this like amazing friendship between

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<v Speaker 3>these two girls and then at the end they're separated.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it affected me at the time because

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, it's like me and Amanda, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was surprised they kept it that same ending for movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like it's kind of a gutsy way to

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<v Speaker 3>end a movie, because I feel like it's so tempting

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<v Speaker 3>to Hollywood defy it and be like, actually, my mom

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<v Speaker 3>is going to work at you know, but they I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. Yeah, I really enjoyed the book. I like

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. It is a wild time capsule. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a Weezer Island in the Sun plot point,

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<v Speaker 3>like that is I always associate that song with the

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<v Speaker 3>Mary kayn Ashley movie Island in the Sun, which is

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<v Speaker 3>literally named after that Weezer song, and I think would

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<v Speaker 3>have come out around the same time. Anyways, tweens loved

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<v Speaker 3>Weezer in the mid two thousands, and what an interesting

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<v Speaker 3>moment that must have been for Weezer. I liked this movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I found myself pleasantly surprised by it, and like, we

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<v Speaker 3>just covered angus thongs and Perfect Snogging, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>movie from the same era that I don't think hold

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<v Speaker 3>up quite as well. And so even though there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the same you know, it's the same playbook.

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<v Speaker 3>But I really appreciate this movie. And also just I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Emma Roberts, Jojo and Sarah Paxton, come on, come on.

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<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and six we were there, Kitlyn, what's your

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<v Speaker 3>history with Aquamarine?

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<v Speaker 2>I had no exposure to it whatsoever. Never read the book,

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<v Speaker 2>never watched the movie. I had like aged out of

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<v Speaker 2>it by the time the movie came out. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when the book was published. I meant to

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<v Speaker 2>look that up, but it was two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been to old for it then as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was not interested. Yeah, so this was my

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<v Speaker 2>first time watching it, and watching this movie as a

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<v Speaker 2>full adult in the year twenty twenty four for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. It's interesting. I agree that I was like

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<v Speaker 2>surprised by the takeaway from the end and the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of twist, like no hetero romances be damned. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a movie about female friendship. I was like, what it

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<v Speaker 2>took me by surprise. So I'm excited to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it further. But I have no attachment to this movie whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kitlyn's the neutral party, It's true. I also just

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<v Speaker 3>another I know, there's so many, very two thousands things

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<v Speaker 3>about this. It took me so long to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>who the villain was, and it's because she was on

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<v Speaker 3>Gilmore Girls. Any Gilmore Girl's watchers in the chat except

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<v Speaker 3>for Jamie. She was for all my Gilmore Girls heads.

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<v Speaker 3>She was Dean's wife who and she also was like

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<v Speaker 3>had to play this kind of like shrill stock character

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<v Speaker 3>where she's like Dean, get to work, Dean, buy my food,

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<v Speaker 3>and like they just this poor actor has to play

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<v Speaker 3>all these crummy parts. But that was where I recognized

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<v Speaker 3>her from.

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<v Speaker 4>I clocked her immediately because she was in Cinderella's Story

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<v Speaker 4>and I feel like she's like the two thousands, like

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<v Speaker 4>evil villain, lady.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean girl.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like her and Megan Fox kind of who is

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<v Speaker 3>I believe the villain in Holiday and the Sun.

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<v Speaker 4>Whoa and Confessions of a Teenage Dunk.

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<v Speaker 5>John Tucker Must Die?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so uh Cecilia is played by Ariel Kebble,

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<v Speaker 2>who I recognize from John Tucker Must Die. Right, she's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the people who are trying to kill John

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker question mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I forgot she was in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was in Fifty Shades of Gray too, in

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<v Speaker 4>the same Rolehh. Yeah, she was in like I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually the second one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh she plays she's Gia Matteo.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and she's the person again the same cast words

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<v Speaker 4>like she's trying to steal Christian and like Christian is

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<v Speaker 4>just married, and there's like this standoff moment where Missus

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<v Speaker 4>Gray is like, you can refer to me as missus

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<v Speaker 4>Gray and then she kind of backs off.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll ever do to anybody. They're just like this lady's mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well shout out to her. I guess we all

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<v Speaker 3>know her for something different, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So let's take a quick break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back for the recap of Aquamarine. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>dive in to the ocean and do the recap. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we meet best friends Claire and Hayley, played by Emma

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<v Speaker 2>Roberts and Jojo, respectively, not to be confused with Jojo Siwah,

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<v Speaker 2>which when she started to become popular, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you mean Jojo, and I had to learn that

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<v Speaker 2>they were different pop girlies.

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<v Speaker 3>I was happy to see that Jojo, like our our Jojo,

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<v Speaker 3>is doing very well. She was on Broadway last year

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<v Speaker 3>playing Setine and Mulan Rouge the musical Like, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>she's she's thriving.

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<v Speaker 6>Love this for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mostly know her from that song Get Up,

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<v Speaker 2>Run Out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. I feel like I can close my

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<v Speaker 3>eyes and watch that entire music video front to back,

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<v Speaker 3>just from memory.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, frame for frame. She was also in a Sneaker's commercial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I still.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember because at the end she's like talking about all

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<v Speaker 4>the things she has to do and then they show

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<v Speaker 4>her sneakers and she's like and a math test and

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<v Speaker 4>then it's like or no Sketchers, Sketchers. She was in

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<v Speaker 4>Sketchers commercials. I was like, Sneakers commercial, Sketchers.

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<v Speaker 3>That feels very Jojo coded, can't explain exactly how totally.

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<v Speaker 3>And that movie r V she was also in.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I bravely saw r V in theaters. I think

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>With my mom.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was and this was also the era of

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<v Speaker 3>Emma Roberts where she was on Unfabulous Too, and I

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<v Speaker 3>loved that show so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Much talk about a time capsule just watch okay truly.

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<v Speaker 2>So the gals are in the movie playing Claire and Haley.

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<v Speaker 2>They're at the beach somewhere in Florida. Some we're called

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<v Speaker 2>bay Bridge. I think. I don't know if that's a

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<v Speaker 2>real town or not. I didn't look it up. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the last few days of summer vacation before they start.

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<v Speaker 2>I think eighth grade. Though, Hailey is about to move

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia because her marine biologist mom got a really

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<v Speaker 2>good job there, but Haley deeply resents having to move

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<v Speaker 2>and leave her best friend Claire behind. Claire's backstory is

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<v Speaker 2>that her mom and dad drowned at sea, and so

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<v Speaker 2>Claire lives with her her grandparents, who own I think

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<v Speaker 2>the local beach club. You hate something.

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<v Speaker 3>To hear your parents drowned at sea?

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<v Speaker 2>You hate?

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<v Speaker 6>That is heavy?

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I also it's like, this was a completely irrational thought.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like, you could do that. In two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and six, people were still drowning at sea, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I what were they even up to?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, it gives like eighteen hundreds Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, I was like, wait, what were they looking for? Anyways?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, they know Aquamarine. Maybe they taught her

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<v Speaker 3>the meaning of love or something.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Aquamarine sees her parents and that's what inspires her

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<v Speaker 2>to come ashore to find love.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's here's my horror pitch. Aquamarine whoopsie Daisies capsized the

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<v Speaker 3>boat he held her parents and.

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<v Speaker 5>Was like, oh, not of jealousy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So she's like and then I'll strike when Emma

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<v Speaker 3>Robertson's vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Yeah, okay. So also on the beach

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<v Speaker 2>is a lifeguard named Raymond who the friends have a

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<v Speaker 2>big crush on. Then a mean popular girl, Cecilia, who

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<v Speaker 2>we were just talking about and her gaggle of mean

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<v Speaker 2>girl friends show up and flirt with Raymond the lifeguard,

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<v Speaker 2>to Claire and Haley's dismay. That night, Haley like jokingly

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<v Speaker 2>casts a spell to try to make the ocean stop

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<v Speaker 2>her mom from moving to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>What a sentence.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, she does it in jest, but like it like

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<v Speaker 8>is sad at the end when Jojo goes to Australia,

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<v Speaker 8>But you're also like good for her because they lived

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<v Speaker 8>in Tampa, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you should absolutely go to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she doesn't want to go there. She thinks

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa's amazing, and so she jokingly casts this spell and

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<v Speaker 2>there's like this storm and lightning strikes, and it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like the spell works, question mark, because the next morning,

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<v Speaker 2>Claire and Haley go outside to this swimming pool that's

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<v Speaker 2>right by the beach. Is that a thing? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>But Claire falls in the swimming pool, and she sees

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<v Speaker 2>something in the water, but before she can get a

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<v Speaker 2>good look, Raymond jumps in and saves her, and she

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<v Speaker 2>tells Haley she saw something. So that night they sneak

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<v Speaker 2>back to the pool and discover a mermaid and she's like, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>it's me a mermaid, and we will eventually learn that

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<v Speaker 2>her name is Aqua Marine, although it takes forever for

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<v Speaker 2>her to introduce herself.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a full half hour I had to check out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, how is this the first time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They hang out for like a full day and

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<v Speaker 2>then she's like, by the way, I'm a marine. And she,

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<v Speaker 2>of course is played by Sarah Paxton. No relation to

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Paxton from what I can tell.

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<v Speaker 5>No, Okay, I tried to look into that too, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, this is important research that yielded

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<v Speaker 2>no results. But yeh, I don't think they're related anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>She seems nice and friendly, but then this guy, Leonard,

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<v Speaker 2>who works at the beach club and who Claire and

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<v Speaker 2>Haley are scared of, he starts to approach, so they

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<v Speaker 2>have to run off, but they tell Aquamarine that they'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back tomorrow. But when they do, they discover that

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<v Speaker 2>the pool has been drained, so they think she's like

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<v Speaker 2>gone forever or dead or something. But just kidding. Aquamarine

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<v Speaker 2>turned herself into a human with legs. Although this is

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<v Speaker 2>when we learn the Gremlins rules, where she can't get

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<v Speaker 2>wet or else her tail will come back, and her

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<v Speaker 2>tail will definitely come back no matter what when the

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<v Speaker 2>sun sets. But during the day she can be in

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<v Speaker 2>like human form.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and if you help her, you get one genie wish.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but that has not really any more rules.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she also makes fun of them. She's like, you

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<v Speaker 4>guys think genies are real.

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<v Speaker 6>That's so true.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a little mix of Cinderella in there too, like

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<v Speaker 5>Gremlin's rules and like a little Cinderella.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she also has the aerial thing going on

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<v Speaker 3>because she only has three days to fall in love.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's just an amalgamation a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Three days to fall in love, because this is very important.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason she doesn't want to go back into the

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<v Speaker 4>ocean is because she doesn't want to be a child bride.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, that her father has arranged. Yep, correct picture this.

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<v Speaker 3>Your dad says, unless you can prove to me that

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<v Speaker 3>love exists, I will make you a child bride in

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<v Speaker 3>seventy two hours.

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<v Speaker 5>Really, I'm wondering, like what what fisher in the sea,

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<v Speaker 5>Like what of the murments? The men like that where

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<v Speaker 5>she's like this is awful, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>It felt like they didn't have the budget to show

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<v Speaker 3>us a second Mermaid.

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<v Speaker 6>They had one nail.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like mermaid culture is a patriarchy for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't believe in love. That's part of their culture,

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<v Speaker 2>a loveless patriarchy, just like ours.

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<v Speaker 4>Her is her dad, Poseidon.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels I thought like that is implied, but it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like she was avoiding saying his name.

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<v Speaker 3>But like the mermaid names, took a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>They couldn't afford the rights, the rights to say pay

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<v Speaker 4>big Poseidon barely a form.

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<v Speaker 2>So they they bring her to Claire's house, where Aquamarine's dad,

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<v Speaker 2>who may or may not be Poseidon, calls her on

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<v Speaker 2>a shell phone hilarious basically on just like a conch shell,

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<v Speaker 2>and reprimands her for leaving because she ran away to

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<v Speaker 2>escape being a child bride, and as Sweeve said, she

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<v Speaker 2>has three days to find true love and to prove

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<v Speaker 2>to her dad that love is real. So then Aqua

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<v Speaker 2>Marine sees Raymond and decides he's the guy that she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to fall in love with, and she tells Claire

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<v Speaker 2>and Hailey that if they help make that happen, she'll

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<v Speaker 2>grant them a Genie wish.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a nice I did appreciate, I mean of all,

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<v Speaker 3>because I feel this movie is like, really, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's because we just watched the movie that I

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<v Speaker 3>felt like was not as good on friendship between girls.

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<v Speaker 3>I did appreciate that. It's like Haley and Claire both

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<v Speaker 3>had this huge crush on Raymond, but when Aqua Marine

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<v Speaker 3>is like, I have a crush on him too. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like a lesser movie would have been like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't have a crush on him. But it's like

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<v Speaker 3>they're all very support and like, I don't know, they

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<v Speaker 3>never turn on each other for some goofy reason like boys.

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<v Speaker 4>There was some initial pushback to the Raymond crush, but

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<v Speaker 4>they got over it very quickly.

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<v Speaker 6>Totally. It was like everyone wants him, right, even guys.

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<v Speaker 5>I loved that And guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like all the girls want him and even

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<v Speaker 2>some boys, and we're like, yay. Queer representation, queer representation.

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<v Speaker 2>Prettei's implied. I was like, wait, I love that they

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<v Speaker 2>do push back, but they changed their mind and agree

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<v Speaker 2>to help Aquamarine as soon as they learn about this wish,

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<v Speaker 2>because they realize they can use the wish to keep

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<v Speaker 2>Haley from moving away. So they prioritize their friendship with

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<v Speaker 2>each other over a boy. And so they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we will help Raymond fall in love with you in

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<v Speaker 2>he calendar days. And so, in an effort to get

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<v Speaker 2>Raymond to notice Aquamarine, they ride their bikes past his house,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, they're doing some light stocking, and Aquamarine

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<v Speaker 2>goes flying off the handlebars and scrapes her knee. So

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<v Speaker 2>Raymond comes out and like tends to her wound.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, really quick, really quick. I'm sorry. They're first of

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<v Speaker 3>all incredible, like two thousands era Hot Girl Pratfall by

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Paxton. But there I I for some reason, you

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<v Speaker 3>have like Raymond's just doing sit ups at his house,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like hot guys do or something. I do

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<v Speaker 3>feel like that really embodied like what a young person's

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<v Speaker 3>idea of what a hot guy's doing at home. He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>he's probably at home doing crunches and talking to himself.

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<v Speaker 3>But he is talking to himself, and what he says

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<v Speaker 3>as he's talking to himself, he's doing, Okay, sit up,

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<v Speaker 3>ooh that hers it's second set up, but this will

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<v Speaker 3>make it all worth it. What the fuck are you talking?

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<v Speaker 3>It's really quiet, but I rewound it like three times

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<v Speaker 3>just to make sure that that weird and it's cleary

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<v Speaker 3>that the kid isn't saying it, but so they added

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<v Speaker 3>it in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like eighty R Why did say that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that hurts, but this will make it all worth it?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what is this?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>When when you say this, I just loved.

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<v Speaker 5>That someone made a choice to put that in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just like, if I'm the director of this,

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, something's not something's not working with this scene.

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<v Speaker 3>We should make him give positive. He's basically being his

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<v Speaker 3>own starfish hearings and that, oh that hurts, but this

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<v Speaker 3>will make it all worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the most mascular boy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're us Raymond.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody loves rating his own little voice telling him you're

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<v Speaker 2>also anyway. So he runs out to help aqua marine,

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 2>but she doesn't really understand human social cues, so she's

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>like awkward and over zealous, and then the mean popular

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>girl Cecilia shows up to get a driving lesson from Raymond,

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 2>and then you realize, okay, she must be sixteen at least.

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Raymond also seems to be like sixteen seventeen, so he's

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>like a few years older than Haley and Claire. I

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>think that it's also implied that Aqua Marine is a

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>bit older. She's also, yeah, sixteen kind of thing.

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I always got very like cool older sister vibes from her, right.

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 2>But then it makes you wonder why Cecilia and her

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>friends spend so much time making fun of like girls

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 2>way younger than that. Is that a thing that happens?

0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 4>It's all about making yourself feel bigger.

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I think she doesn't have her own starfish earrings, so

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 2>she has to get validation by putting other people down.

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 2>It's true.

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 4>She's even mean to her other friends, and that's why

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 4>they did her later.

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, true, she had that coming. Her dad was a

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 3>little out of pocket towards Ci. But we'll get you.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, surely this is partially

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 3>your fault.

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>You did not bet this, Okay. So Celia shows up

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>to get a driving lesson, so Claire, Haley, and Aquamarine

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>head back home so that the friends can teach Aquamarine

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>more about how to get a boy to like you

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 2>via a bunch of teen magazines. And there's a whole

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>montage to this effect. What a throwback.

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>It's literally I think they cut they do like a

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 3>close hit on, like keep smiling.

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 5>Definitely a time capsule. I was like, I had those magazines.

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 3>It was like Cosmo Girl, ye seventeen th I did.

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I loved those magazines because they were, for some reason,

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:13.360
<v Speaker 3>a little bit smaller than my mom's magazines, Like I

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 3>do you remember, like teen Vogue.

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Was just it was little, it was littler.

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I liked it.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 4>Anyways, I didn't have I'm missing out on this. I

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 4>wasn't allowed to have those, but I had, like the

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Care of Keeping You.

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Book classic, A classic.

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 4>Didn't teach me how to how to flirt with boys, though,

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 4>that's probably why I was so bad at it.

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 3>I like, any I kind of I feel like the

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 3>American Girl books were pretty wholesome. I have it's it's

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>in here somewhere. They did make an American girl book

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 3>about how to flirt?

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 6>Really, Oh yeah, I need that now. I still need that.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I remember, and my mom was a freak, so

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 3>she got it for me. She's like, best of luck,

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 3>good luck out there.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Hilarious. Uh okay. So then the three of them head

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>to a street fair where Raymond is and he an

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Aquamarine connect and they go on a paddle boat together

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, wow, you're not like the other girls,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, tii really. But then she realizes the

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 2>sun is setting, which means her tail will come back

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>very soon, so she has to hurry away, and Claire

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and Haley take her to a water tower for Aquamarine

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to spend the night in pretty brilliant.

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 4>How she did not get a drop of water on

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 4>her during the paddle sequence.

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 6>I know.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like, you're worried about the sun setting? What

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 4>about the water?

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 6>About the water?

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 2>She forgot the other rule?

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, there are a lot of rules.

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 5>Also, currieus just about the water tower choice, because there's

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 5>also the scene, the iconic scene with the bathtob Chili

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 5>in the bathtub with the tail. I'm like, well, why

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 5>didn't she just chill?

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>There were so many other sources of water, water tower.

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they go to the lengths of

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>taking her up a water tower. We don't know. It's

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>so that she can get quote unquote trapped there by

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Cecilia later. But it's it's it feels very contrived. Wow.

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, I wrote water tower smart idea.

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 8>Okay, got it, got it, got it again.

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Every every this is a safe space. Every opinion is

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 2>valid here.

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was pretty inventive of them.

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 4>I feel I feel like it's like the bathtub is

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 4>like a fish bowl, and then the water tower it's

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 4>like staying at a aquarium, and then there's the ocean.

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 4>There's different Yeah, there's different levels.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 3>They get sure the water tower is like an apartment.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>You can just sing wheezer there by yourself, which she

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 3>does later, which she does.

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>And she couldn't go back in the swimming pool because

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 2>it's established that they drained it. Yeah, so actually, maybe

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 2>it is brilliant. I was.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 3>It was really late and I watched this genius.

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>So the next day is this big beach party called

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the Last Splash, and it seems like Raymond was going

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>to ask Aqua Marine to go with him. So the

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>girls go on a shopping bontage for an outfit for

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Aqua Marine.

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 7>As you do in the two thousands, where establishes further

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 7>that she's not like other girls because they're like, these

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 7>are secondhand clothes, and she's like, guys, give them a chance.

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Wow, sustainability, queen, I did. I mean, it's like it

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 3>is so contrived to have a like close trying on sequence,

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 3>but it's I love two thousands ones because they're always

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 3>trying on the most but ugly shit like in the

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 3>world where you're like, you guys look horrible, you look

0:31:58.240 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 3>so bad.

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 2>And then she tried on a dress that it looks

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean whatever, but the sleeves are especially ugly, so

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 2>she just rips them off. But I don't think buys

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the dress then, because we don't see her wearing it again.

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>So she just like defaces the property of the store

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and then leaves, which is iconic.

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:19.479
<v Speaker 4>But she's not like other girls.

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 2>It's true. Yeah, past It's okay, right, So after the

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>shopping bontage, Aquamarine makes Hailey ride on a dolphin to

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>go out into the ocean and collect the starfish earrings

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 2>that give them compliments. But then Aquamarine finds out that

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Raymond is going to the Last Splash party with Cecilia

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 2>because Cecilia had lied and told Raymond that Aquamarine has

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a boyfriend. So Aquamarine is devastated and she runs off,

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>but Claire and Hailey managed to find her and Raymond

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and help clear things up and arrange for them to

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>go on a date to the Last Splash, although Raymond

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>almost sees Aquamarine as a mermaid when she's taking a bath,

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and so there's a close call there iconic where Jojo

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>has to like jump in the bathtub with her, pretending

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to be her legs. But you really have to do

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>so unnecessary.

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when you're in the bath, you don't need to

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 3>prove your legs. I love that she committed.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So then the date happens and Aquamarine and

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Raymond have a nice time. They dance, but then they

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>dance to Wheezer's Island in the Sun. Of course, they.

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Bribe the musicians with a piece of cake. They walk

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 4>on stage and they're like please, they like hand it off,

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, is he gonna eat that now or what?

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 4>What do you mean a piece of cake?

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:07.479
<v Speaker 2>It's a weird bribe. So then the date is happening,

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>but sunset rolls around again and Aquamarine has to abruptly

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>leave once again, but she tells Raymond to meet her

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>on the pier the following morning at nine am, and

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>then she gives him a kiss on the lips and

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like a woo god. And then Cecilia follows Aquamarine

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>to the water tower and discovers that she's a mermaid.

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>So Cecilia breaks the ladder so that no one will

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>be able to go up or down, and then she

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>goes back to the party and tells her friends that

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Aquamarine is a mermaid, but they don't believe her. But

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Leonard overhears this and he starts researching mermaids in a book.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>And he has this piece of jewelry that he had

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 2>found in the drained swimming pool and it matches up

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>with mermaid jewelry. So he's like, wait a minute.

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to check because I was like, this character

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 3>feels added, So I checked the synopsis of the book,

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 3>and indeed, there is no not a Leonard in sight.

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 6>There's no Leonard.

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>No, he is very random. Because they're like because it

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 3>wasn't even like I mean, I guess that the girls

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 3>learned not to judge loan adult men in Florida, which

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if that's a good lesson to learn.

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 6>Like you should be suspicious of this man.

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Leonard, who knows you know, bless his heart,

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 3>seems like a nice guy.

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I think they're being classist and agist by being afraid

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>of him.

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm a thirteen year old girl. I'm not

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 3>talking to a huge stranger.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Fair, that was me. He's also like not trying to

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 2>like befriend them or anything.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 3>They're just like, that's true.

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess they do know him, right, Yeah, because he

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 2>works at the club that her grandparents own't.

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they're being class then, Okay, I kept forget.

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking of him as like the neighbor from

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 3>home alone, and I understood why they were scared of him.

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 4>That's yeah, he does get a wish as well, and

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 4>I need to understand did he force that woman to

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 4>fall in love with him?

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Or what great.

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Question I think he did? I think Lon did. I

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 3>was like wink wink, I'm like, wait, like we need

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 3>more rules with the genie wish you could have just

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 3>asked her out. That couldn't have happened with Aladdin's Genie.

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 3>That was one of his rules because he says, I

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 3>can't make anybody fall in love with anybody else and

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:44.320
<v Speaker 3>he won't kill anyone. We need better rules.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I feel like her wish to get if you

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 4>help me with this man falling in love with me,

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 4>then you get a wish. But then Leonard would just

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 4>like happen to like help her down a tower. And

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.359
<v Speaker 4>she was like, would you care for a wish? She's

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 4>just like passing him out now right.

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.959
<v Speaker 2>The amount of effort and labor you have to put

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 2>in varies, but you'll still get the same like caliber

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 2>of wish.

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>You could still just like arguably ruin a woman's life

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 3>just for no reason at all.

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Great, Okay, right, I think I'm catching on.

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>So the next morning, Haley is having second thoughts about

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:29.919
<v Speaker 2>the wish that she and Claire are planning to have

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>because Hailey realizes that her mom has worked really hard

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 2>for the job that she got in Australia and she

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to ruin that for her mom. And this

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 2>makes Claire really upset the thought that Haley is going

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>to abandon their wish, and they get in a huge

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>fight and say some really mean things to each other. Meanwhile,

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.959
<v Speaker 2>Cecilia tells her news report or father that she heard

0:37:56.080 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>cries coming from the water tower, so a rescue mission

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>is underway, but really Cecilia just wants to expose Aquamarine

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 2>as being a mermaid on TV. But this planned backfires

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 2>because they don't find her, and Cecilia is like, there

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 2>is a mermaid up there, I swear, and everyone's like

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>uh huh. And it turns out that Aquamarine wasn't in

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the water tower because Leonard had climbed up and rescued

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 2>her because he has his own ladder, so he gets

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:33.399
<v Speaker 2>a wish now and turns out he's actually nice and

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 2>not creepy. I guess ya, yay Leonard. Then Aquamarine goes

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.399
<v Speaker 2>to meet up with Raymond on the pier because it's

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess nine am the next morning, and she asks

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 2>if he loves her, because if he says he loves her,

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that's the proof she needs to show her father that

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>love is real, and he's like, well, I like you,

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>but we've only had one date, so as far as

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 2>love goes, I would say.

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 3>No, which is like sweet about it. Yeah, yeah, I

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 3>really appreciate it. I mean like it's you know, he's

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 3>a very stock character, but like Raymond's like a sweet person.

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah nice, and it's like, yeah, totally very fair. I

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 5>remember being like, I think devastated, as how could he is.

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable, right, because every other movie would be like, yes,

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I love you so much.

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 3>But he's so nice about it. He's like, but I'm

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 3>not saying I won't ever, It's just we should go

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>on some more dates. You're like, oh, Raymond, sweety.

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like, we've known each other for two days, so

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>fair enough. So just then Cecilia shows up and pushes

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Aquamarine into the ocean, which of course turns her back

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>into a mermaid. And then her merman father, who we

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.479
<v Speaker 2>don't see on screen but he can' we.

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Just see via a lot of bad CGI.

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>But just for sure he's like trying to pull her

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 2>back home via like waves and whirlpools and stuff. So

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Claire and Haley jump in to try to save Aquamarine.

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And also there's this whole subplot where because Claire's parents

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>drowned at ce she's afraid of the water and she

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>refuses to go in the water. So it's like a

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 2>big deal that Claire jumps in and they're like, well,

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Aquamarine will set you free with our wish, much like

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 2>how Aladdin uses his last wish to set the Genie free.

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>But Aquamarine is like, there's no use. Raymond doesn't love me,

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>so I can't even grant your wish. But then she

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 2>realizes that Haley and Claire jumped in to save her,

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and they're willing to give up their wish for her

0:40:54.760 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>because they love Aquamarine. So love does exist. It doesn't

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 2>have to be romantic, hetero love. So her father like

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 2>releases her from this marital obligation aka from being a

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>child bride, and Claire and Haley want to wish that

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Aqua Marine stay with them, but she's like, nah, I'm

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 2>a mermaid, so I gotta be getting back to the ocean. Now.

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 3>I feel my family who wants me to marry someone

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.800
<v Speaker 3>like there. I felt so bad for Claire at the

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 3>end of the movie, I'm like, damn, she got none

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 3>of what she wants.

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:37.240
<v Speaker 5>She got.

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.760
<v Speaker 4>She got a kiss on the cheek from Raymond.

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:45.399
<v Speaker 6>That's to for something she gets.

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 9>They were very happy about that, as does Haley, and

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 9>then Raymond also gives Aqua Marine a little kiss on

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 9>the lips again and he's like, see you later, she's like,

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 9>bye bye, and the friends have made up. So Claire

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.360
<v Speaker 9>and Hailey are best friends again, and they both accept

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 9>that Haley is moving away, but they are like, we

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 9>had the best summer ever and we'll cherish that forever.

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 2>The end. So that's the movie. Let's take another quick

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>break and we'll come back to discuss.

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 3>My favorite thing about Aquamarine, the character that I must

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 3>have gone wild over when I was a kid, was

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 3>her mood ring nails. I was like, that's the coolest,

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.920
<v Speaker 3>like two thousands cool girl detail ever. I loved it,

0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 3>And this is did anyone else think? She kept doing

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 3>this like joke where I guess mermaids don't cry or

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 3>whatever or something. I'm like, what is it like like there?

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 3>But she she keeps saying I'm leaking, and I was

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 3>thinking about Jim Carrey Grinch because that's what Jim Carrey

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Grinch says, and I was like, Wow, she's literally taking

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 3>lions cribbing lines from Jim Carrey Grinch. And that's all

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 3>I have to say about the movie.

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>No, No, the end of the episode. I liked when

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't swear, but she'd use like c puns instead.

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 2>She'd be like, oh, what a barnacle she says like

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>salt instead of shit or something. I don't know, but

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 2>it's really good writing.

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 6>Bull shark.

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:33.800
<v Speaker 5>That.

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of funny. So before we get into the discussion,

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to shout out the production team, which

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of women in the production team. Granted,

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 3>like this entire production is a very white group of women,

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 3>but we have a first time director. Elizabeth Allen directed

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the movie. There is a woman who co wrote the

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 3>movie who has a wild resume, Jessica Bendinger, who she

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 3>wrote Bring it On. She was a writer on Sex

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 3>and the City. She was a writer of First Daughter,

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 3>and she wrote stickt the same year as Aquamarines. So

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 3>oh wow, amazing what a goddamn resume. Right, also edited

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:24.440
<v Speaker 3>and produced by women, So I really appreciate that, and

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 3>I feel like you can really feel it in the way.

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:32.240
<v Speaker 3>And it's also obviously adapted from a book by Alice Hoffman,

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 3>whose most famous work is Practical Magic.

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>But she has also a very long resume of having

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 2>written her so many books.

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like she's a she's an all timer. But but yeah,

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I really like that team, Like that's

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel like this movie is and this story in

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 3>general is like I think, generally better than a lot

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>of comparable stuff at the time. I like the emphasis

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 3>on friendship. I know that there's a lot of like

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 3>queer readings of this movie that I'm excited to talk about.

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 3>I just like, Yeah, it's a fun movie totally, and

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I like that women made it.

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And I.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 5>Feel like a lot of these because I already visit

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.239
<v Speaker 5>them sometimes. A lot of these, like early two thousands,

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 5>just like young Girl coming of age stories, have been

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 5>directed by men. So it's just refreshing to see a

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 5>production full of women.

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Truly, and you can usually tell when they're directed by

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 2>men versus when they're directed and written by women. Because yeah,

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 2>as we've said, this movie and not that, like hetero

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 2>romance can't exist in a story, but it's often so

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 2>much emphasis is placed on that. And like we talked

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>about recently on the Angus Songs and Perfect Snogging episode,

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 2>it's a group of friends who are characterized entirely by

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 2>the crushes on boys and don't seem to have anything

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 2>else going on outside of that, And you know, it's like,

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>what are their common interests? What brings them together? As friends.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 2>What you know, it's the movie just ignores all of

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that and focuses entirely on the hetero romances, Whereas this movie,

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 2>sure there is emphasis on these girls helping this mermaid

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 2>to find low hetero love with a boy, but the

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>way it culminates is way different than we're used to seeing,

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that they do prove that love exists,

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>but it's platonic love among friends love girls unless unless

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 2>it is romantic love between girls.

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, because there is gay parentheses implied in the performances.

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I think, like by all three of them are really

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 3>good and really thoughtful, and you know, unlike I just

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 3>like I know we keep bringing angus, but we just

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 3>watched it and like Emma Roberts and Jojo have this

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 3>like really deep, complicated codependent friendship that we actually do

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of learn a lot about. And they're like, we're

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 3>all each other like has and we both feel like,

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, lonely and kind of disconnected and we don't

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 3>want to be separated.

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And we love each other.

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 3>But like it was just I don't know, even though

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.840
<v Speaker 3>it's like I think there's always more room for like

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 3>what are their interests, Like, what do they like what

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 3>do they want to do? I felt like, I mean,

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 3>their friendship is so intense and authentic, and I it

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:41.399
<v Speaker 3>really worked for me. Yeah.

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 4>I think that's my favorite part about this is the

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 4>capturing of young like junior high friendships, which I agree

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 4>there are other layers to what little teenage girls talk about,

0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 4>but I do love that they they're very like giggly

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 4>and fun and they just show them having fun together.

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 4>And and I agree, I think that Emma Roberts and

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 4>Jojo have such a good little chemistry about them too.

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 4>I think that really worked back together. Yeah, and I

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 4>think that Aquamarine was just a fun It was like

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 4>Manic Pixie dream Girl before Manic Pixy dream Girl, but

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 4>also in like I mean, he does say you're not

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 4>like other girls, but I feel like from like a

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 4>female like it was like, I don't know, instead of

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 4>the man and girl like Manny and we see there

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.320
<v Speaker 4>like it was like all three of them as a

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 4>unit that we're seeing and yes on the Code of

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 4>Bendzen scene which they rope in Aquamarine on, they're like.

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.799
<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, and now we are yeah yeah, and they

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 3>don't go and it's like you gotta let her go.

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 4>They're never not together, like they're always following each other.

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Even on the pier. They were like under the pier

0:48:58.200 --> 0:48:59.799
<v Speaker 4>and then they were like, let's just go up, and

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 4>I was surprised. Raymond was never like are you ever.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Not around them?

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 4>Or do they need to like always be chaperoning or what.

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 3>I guess Raymond is used to being followed around by them,

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.840
<v Speaker 3>so maybe they're just part of this. Yeah, It's like

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 3>there's this part of the scenery to him because they're

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 3>also I think before they were following Marine around, they

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 3>were just following Raymond around. They're like spying on him at.

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 4>Work the ub and quizzing doing quizzes about him.

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 2>They're doing Raymond trivia.

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 4>Right in front of him, right.

0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean. Not only is there like a component of

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.759
<v Speaker 2>manic pixie dream girl kind of thing, I was also

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>detecting hints of the like born sexy Yesterday trope because

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Aquamarine does seem to fall in love with the first

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 2>man that she sees, and there are a lot of

0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 2>like human customs and social cues that she doesn't stand.

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But what differentiates it from other examples of this trope

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 2>is that it's not the man who teaches her about

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 2>social cues and teaches her about romance. It's the two girls,

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 2>it's Haley and Claire, and their advice comes from what

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 2>they read in magazines, which is often offering like very

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 2>like tropy, misguided advice.

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.600
<v Speaker 3>But I like that, Like Aquamarine pushes back on that too,

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 3>where like after they read that whole pile of magazines,

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 3>she's like, so we're supposed to be flirty but demure,

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 3>devoted but not desperate, available but elusive, and like does

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 3>meaningfully kind of like comment on it. And I don't

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 3>think that, I mean what I I Another thing I

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 3>like about Aquamarine is I don't think she really I mean,

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 3>she absolutely does fall in love with literally the first

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 3>man she sees, I think, but it's like him, it's him, yeah,

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, no, that's the one that we don't

0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 3>want you to and she's like, sorry, I that's this is

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:08.959
<v Speaker 3>another Mermaid rules exactly. But I do I feel like Aquamarine,

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, doesn't really get the guy by following the

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 3>rules of the magazine, which feels good, Like she gets

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 3>the guy by being herself.

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Which he did. He interprets as you're not like the

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>other girls.

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah.

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 4>Does that just mean being not like other girls? Does

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 4>that just mean being like innocent and gullible.

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's that. I don't know if

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 2>it's that she's nice and not mean the way that

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Celia and her friends are mean and judgy.

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 4>But that's not how, that's not how the other two girls. Yeah,

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:48.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't get it either. It's just like something.

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:51.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh he does say though, because.

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 3>She yes, she first walks up unlike other girls, you

0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:57.760
<v Speaker 3>are hot?

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, do you love me? And he's like no, but

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 4>I think you're hot, Like.

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, Raymond?

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.800
<v Speaker 4>And then I think he does like a finger gun.

0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 4>I think he's like, you see you later.

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 2>What would have worked better is that if we understood

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>anything that they connected about that Raymond and Aquamarine like

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 2>had in common. And sure, many teenage romances are hot,

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>aren't Yeah, they they're not connecting over anything very meaningful,

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.720
<v Speaker 2>but like, truly, what do these people have in common

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:36.720
<v Speaker 2>other than they both know how to swim?

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 5>Like?

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I wish they had just established like one thing, like

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>one reason that Raymond likes her and wants to keep

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with Aquamarine, one reason why Aquamarine chose him

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 2>out of anyone else she could have chosen. The movie

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 2>just skips over all that I could.

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Have even been just aligned. Yeah, it could have just

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 3>been in exchange.

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 5>They like the same music like something.

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. She also loves Wheezer's Island in the Sun

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 2>and he loves oranges or something. But I do really

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<v Speaker 2>like how the romance culminates as far as she's on

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 2>the pier at the end, repeats the question do you

0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 2>love me? And he's like, well, I feel like he

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>should have been like, I'm having deja vu? Haven't you

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:25.400
<v Speaker 2>said this before two days ago? But he says, like,

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 2>we've been on one date. I like you, and I'd

0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 2>like to see where this goes. But like, love is

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a strong word, which is a very realistic and pragmatic

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 2>way to approach the end of a movie like this,

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 2>because again, so many other movies would have been like

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and yes, they are in love, even though they've known

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.600
<v Speaker 2>each other for two days and they don't really know

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 2>anything about each other. But they've fallen abruptly in love,

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 2>And isn't that so believable.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very curious your guys' thoughts on because I do

0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 4>think that's very healthy, and his response was a healthy

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 4>do we think as a group, And I have my

0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 4>own opinion on this, but I'll wait. It's healthy for

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 4>them then to be the two girls, like is it

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.879
<v Speaker 4>healthy that they're like, we love you like as a friend?

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Great question? After you know, they have certainly spent more

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 2>time with Aquamarine, and they do seem to have bonded

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 2>over more things such as magazines and dress shopping.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and also, to be fair, I mean like the

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 3>all three of them feel like misfits to some extent,

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 3>or like estranged from their family, or like Jojo does

0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 3>like it clearly does not have a good relationship with

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 3>her mom. The one thing we see her mom and

0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 3>she's pretty mean. She's like, what are you thinking? And

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 3>then Jojo says it and then she's like, shut up.

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm see.

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I was on the mom's side there. I was like,

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:59.000
<v Speaker 2>JoJo's being a brat, and I was on.

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:04.439
<v Speaker 3>JoJo's side, like Mama, stop. But they're all I get

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 3>why the girl's like hyper bond to Aquamarine. It's probably

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.560
<v Speaker 3>not the healthiest thing, but it makes sense to me

0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:13.760
<v Speaker 3>where it's like Aquamarine is another like you know girl

0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.000
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't feel like she fits in where she's.

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:20.919
<v Speaker 5>From totally, and I I too, was on JoJo's side,

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 5>and then I felt like this pang of empathy when

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 5>the mom's friend kind of came in and was like, yeah,

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 5>oh my gosh, like this is so competitive. I was like,

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 5>oh my god, like they showing the mom and like

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 5>this pursuit of this ten year grand I was like, well, okay,

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:38.839
<v Speaker 5>maybe shows us.

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 4>What single jobs.

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, dreams.

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:49.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she was like left by her ex husband. Yeah,

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 6>they just throw that in there.

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 3>She's like rebuilding as a single parent.

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:53.839
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's she was a little short with Jojo,

0:55:56.880 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 3>but it's also like, yeah, Jojo, unfortunately you do have

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.319
<v Speaker 3>to go to Australia, Like your life will be.

0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 5>Better there, yes, outside of Tampa.

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I'm gonna be so honest. I was like,

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.959
<v Speaker 4>oh for sure, I would I've been there. I would

0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 4>be like I love you.

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah when you're like.

0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:18.279
<v Speaker 6>Thirteen, totally like, oh my gosh, best for forever.

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Best friend forever.

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.879
<v Speaker 3>They sell it, I like I felt it.

0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.200
<v Speaker 4>No, I was definitely on their side totally with that.

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:28.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh yeah, that's real. But like the love

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:30.640
<v Speaker 4>for with Raymond would not be real. I'd be like,

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 4>don't trust him if he said it. But like with

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 4>the girls, I was always like, yeah, they love her

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 4>because I would too.

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:41.840
<v Speaker 5>Exactly because you know where we got another side of

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:46.000
<v Speaker 5>the falling in love like two days and it goes back,

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:47.040
<v Speaker 5>uh frozen.

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:48.240
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking that too. Yeah, like this is like

0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:54.320
<v Speaker 3>almost a pre frozen thing where it's like just pushing

0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:57.279
<v Speaker 3>back on those tropes in a way that like, at

0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:59.919
<v Speaker 3>least at the time, I was like, Oh, that's fun

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 3>I never see that.

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 4>That's so funny. Because I was thinking of ex Machina.

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 4>I was like, this woman just came, this one just

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 4>came out of the ocean and is meeting humanity for

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:11.799
<v Speaker 4>the first.

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Time, and she tricks Domald Gleeson like immediately where he's

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 2>just like, I will do anything for you. I will

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>escape Raymond.

0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Raymond.

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 3>That's wild that Raymond is smarter than Tom and he

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 3>was like a science genius just goes to show lifeguards

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 3>are smarter than scientists. Wow, yes, and you can quote me.

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I The movie I kept thinking of was Shape of Water.

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking of the thirteenth Year, not only because

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 3>it is the suggestion that comes up. That's like a

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Disney Channel original movie that was like I think I

0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 3>was like too young for when it came out, but

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 3>I saw it on reruns and it was about a

0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 3>younger man and that was well. I think we should

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 3>cover it someday because I just remember being horny, horny, horny,

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:11.600
<v Speaker 3>and when I was ten watching that rerun being like

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 3>what what?

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Like Okay, So just some thoughts.

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I have something I wanted to share about, like the

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 3>queer readings of this movie. I thought it was really fun.

0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 3>We have actually from friends of the pod, the Le's

0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Hangout Pod. Yes, oh, I believe we had them on

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 3>our DEBS episode years ago, but they released a full

0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 3>like article on their site, Ellie and Lee about how

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:51.480
<v Speaker 3>much they love Aquamarine and how queer coded they felt

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:53.640
<v Speaker 3>it was when they first saw it. So I just

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 3>wanted to share. And it's also just a funny post.

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to share just a paragraph from that

0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:04.160
<v Speaker 3>they write somehow things get even gayer as the movie progresses.

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Aqua's whole mission is to get someone to fall in

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:10.400
<v Speaker 3>love with her and prove to her dad that love exists.

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Who is known to fall in love that quickly? Lesbians

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.760
<v Speaker 3>of course, the man she chooses is the first man

0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:19.840
<v Speaker 3>she laid eyes on, and he does not love her

0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:22.240
<v Speaker 3>yet it's been a day. But you know who does

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 3>already love her, the little baby lesbians. In the end,

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:29.880
<v Speaker 3>the girls risk their lives to save Aqua and realize

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 3>they love her the same way that they love each other.

0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:34.520
<v Speaker 3>When they tell her, she realizes she loves them too,

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 3>and one of her happy tears falls into the ocean,

0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 3>causing her dad to cease his rage storm. Her dad

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 3>now knows that love really does exist, but canonically, he

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:48.040
<v Speaker 3>only knows gay love exists. He has zero proof. He

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 3>has zero proof that heterosexual love is a thing. Aquamarine

0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 3>goes back to her pod to spread the gay agenda

0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:58.240
<v Speaker 3>like an aquatic lesbian Jesus, and we can only assume

0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 3>that all of the previously loveless murd are now happily

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:06.840
<v Speaker 3>pairing off into queer partnerships threpples and polycules. So very

1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 3>good the queer read of Aquamarine. We can look to

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<v Speaker 3>that whole post. It's very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, yes, that's hilarious. Also wanted to point out that

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<v Speaker 2>chapel Rone cited this movie as inspiration for the music

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<v Speaker 2>video for her song casual Oh that to sense, she

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<v Speaker 2>described it as being aquamarine but like gay but.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is a demand for aquamarine but gay but

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<v Speaker 3>gay clearly right overly gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. So Hayley throughout the movie wears clothes that seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind of more you could read it as

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<v Speaker 2>gender neutral, maybe read it as like more masculine clothes,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Bully girls keep making fun of her for it,

1:00:56.160 --> 1:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and of course they are stylized as being very.

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<v Speaker 3>Like literally driving around in Margot Robbie Barbie's car, like

1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:05.040
<v Speaker 3>pink convertible.

1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hyper feminine kind of thing, and they're always like

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<v Speaker 2>pointing out like ooh, like, why are you wearing those

1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:17.440
<v Speaker 2>hidious boyish clothes? And on one hand, sure there is

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<v Speaker 2>a precedent for hyper feminine women to judge women who

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<v Speaker 2>present more masculine or to you know, bully anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>like doesn't fit the mold of like a very binary

1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:35.960
<v Speaker 2>gender spectrum and gender presentation kind of thing. I found

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<v Speaker 2>it an interesting component of the movie because it never

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<v Speaker 2>really goes anywhere except to maybe subtly suggests that Haley

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<v Speaker 2>is for sure lesbian based on the way she dresses.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't know exactly why else that's there

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<v Speaker 2>except to maybe just show that Cecilia and her friends

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<v Speaker 2>are mean, but to choose that to be like the

1:01:57.320 --> 1:02:02.000
<v Speaker 2>thing right that she bullies them for. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just curious on other thoughts about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I feel like in this time period and things

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<v Speaker 5>have kind of like shifted, but there is that like

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<v Speaker 5>the tomboy like kind of uh trope that pops out

1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:21.200
<v Speaker 5>I came up and like marking Nashley movies too, It's

1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 5>just like a common character type. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 5>we can look at that now and be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>like this is kind of like queer codd or it's

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<v Speaker 5>like this is a non biname person with the way

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<v Speaker 5>that that showed up of like it was a girl

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<v Speaker 5>wearing like guys clothes and it's just a little more nuanced.

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<v Speaker 6>It's more nuanced now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right for sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, And I think on the flip side

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<v Speaker 3>of that is another example of I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>Cecilia character was kind of like my least favorite portion.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even think she really needs to be there,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm being honest, Like, this is not a movie

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<v Speaker 3>or a story that really needs a villain. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it's a story of like friendship and self discovery

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<v Speaker 3>and the fact that it's it's And also, Cecilia is

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<v Speaker 3>not a character in the book. She is a villain

1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:11.880
<v Speaker 3>added for the movie, which is further proof that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a story that is about friendship. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Raymond is definitely in the book, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Raymond, we could get rid of him too.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like it should be focused on these core

1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:28.439
<v Speaker 3>three you know, two girls in a mermaid and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just the Cecilia stuff stuck out like a sore thumb

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<v Speaker 3>because that felt like the tropiest part and an otherwise

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<v Speaker 3>like movie that seemed to be subverting a lot of

1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:39.200
<v Speaker 3>tropes were used to seeing. But the mean girl trope

1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:43.200
<v Speaker 3>and the like demonization of hyperfemininity, like all of that

1:03:43.240 --> 1:03:48.280
<v Speaker 3>two thousand stuff was still very you know present, and

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that was just like why why?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that they and we were talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how we wanted more of these characters and what they

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<v Speaker 4>want in their personalities, because it's interesting I found throughout

1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:07.400
<v Speaker 4>the entire movie, everyone was dealing with the consequences of

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<v Speaker 4>men's choices, like Aquamarine's dad forcing her to be a

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<v Speaker 4>child bride, and then JoJo's mom she has to you know,

1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:19.840
<v Speaker 4>she doesn't have support from like her husband and has

1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.040
<v Speaker 4>to like move around and not that she needs a

1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:24.320
<v Speaker 4>support she could you know, be a single mom AND's life.

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<v Speaker 4>But that seemed to be I don't know, they hinted

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<v Speaker 4>at that being like at least something like a core

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<v Speaker 4>element of JoJo's life. And then like they're at the

1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:38.480
<v Speaker 4>Mercy of Raymond it seems falling in love with Aquamarine,

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<v Speaker 4>when it really could have just been these three girls

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<v Speaker 4>like exploring them as characters and like growing their friendship.

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<v Speaker 4>And like even Raymond he couldn't have played as big

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<v Speaker 4>of a part because it could have just been like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, maybe he just goes off with Cecilia

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<v Speaker 4>and they do their thing and then they kind of

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<v Speaker 4>had this Maybe they all three like have a fight

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<v Speaker 4>and then they come back together and they discover, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they just love each other or something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought that was something that I would have

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<v Speaker 4>liked to see a little more about them than their

1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:11.840
<v Speaker 4>yeah personalities.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple other interesting departures from the book. I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to point out.

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<v Speaker 3>This book it's a really good book.

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<v Speaker 2>I've not read it, but I did read the Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 2>plot summary, So let's go. So in the book, Aquamarine

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<v Speaker 2>is still randomly drawn to Raymond. Yeah, but in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>she does not have the goal of proving to her

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<v Speaker 2>father that love exists. She just wants to like hang

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<v Speaker 2>around because she's attracted to Raymond. So the whole like

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<v Speaker 2>interesting you know storyline of like trying to escape a

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<v Speaker 2>marriage and prove that love exists to her father seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be added for the movie as far as what

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell, at least. Also in the book, aquam

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<v Speaker 2>never turns to human form. Claire and Haley like put

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<v Speaker 2>her in a long dress and a wheelchair to hide

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<v Speaker 2>her mermaid take and the fact that she cannot walk. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so she stays a mermaid the whole time, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they just disguise it. And Aquamarine does go on the

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<v Speaker 2>date with Raymond and he doesn't notice and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>nice time. But then he does discover she's a mermaid

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<v Speaker 2>pretty soon after that because he sees her save a

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<v Speaker 2>boy who has fallen in a swimming pool and he's like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a mermaid. That's okay. I still like you. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the book ends with Claire and Haley bringing Aquamarine

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<v Speaker 2>back to the ocean because like, being on land is

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<v Speaker 2>bad for her health, and so they're like, okay, return

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<v Speaker 2>to the sea, our new friend. So the component of like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're proving that love exists because of our female friendship

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<v Speaker 2>is also an add on for the movie, but the

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<v Speaker 2>book is also just like yeah, and they're friends and

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that nice? And then it's Claire who moves away

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<v Speaker 2>to Florida. So I don't know where the book takes place.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they're not already in Florida anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that's I did not remember that. She

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<v Speaker 3>never gets like I am I am okay with that,

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<v Speaker 3>I am okay with I'm okay with that change. I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what a that would have been a very complex that's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of tail, that's a lot of tales.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a sorry I did. At the beginning. I

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<v Speaker 3>was on Sarah Paxson's Wikipedia page going this journey with me, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, what are other things I've seen her?

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<v Speaker 3>And I've seen her in a lot of things. She's

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<v Speaker 3>been around forever, but I remember that she replaced the

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<v Speaker 3>girl who plays Marnie in Halloween Town in the third

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<v Speaker 3>Halloween Town movie. So I originally hated her because I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, you're not Kimberly J. Brown. What did you

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<v Speaker 3>do with her? And also it just sucks when I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just like, just write a new character that's clearly not

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<v Speaker 3>her anyways, So I was thinking about that and then

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what's let me check Kimberoly J. Brown's

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<v Speaker 3>Wikipedia page, which led me to the realization, has anyone

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<v Speaker 3>here seen Halloween Town two Calibar's Revenge?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, and how in that movie, Marnie kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like starts a thing with Calibar's son Cal. Oh, they

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<v Speaker 3>got married this year. They like didn't see each other

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<v Speaker 3>for like twenty years and then met up at like

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<v Speaker 3>a Halloween Town reunion event and fell in love and

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<v Speaker 3>they got married this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that really fell in love in two days? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it amazing?

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<v Speaker 3>I just that was. Yeah, that was I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh God, it's so embarrassing being so susceptible to nostalgic culture,

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<v Speaker 3>but that really hit. I was like, whoa, Marnie and

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<v Speaker 3>Cal got married. Those are my friends from Halloween Town.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, that is really cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, that's my story about Sarah Paxton.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's great. Does anyone have anything else they'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss about the movie Aquamarine.

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<v Speaker 4>I just have to say that the when she's heartbroken

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<v Speaker 4>in the bathtub eating Ben and Jerry's the amount of

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<v Speaker 4>times that I quoted I have two new men now.

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<v Speaker 4>Their names are Ben and Jerry. And the amount of

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<v Speaker 4>Ben and Jerry's ice cream I bought after that movie

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<v Speaker 4>or I didn't buy it. I was young. I requested it.

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<v Speaker 4>They really I don't know if that was intentional, like

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<v Speaker 4>a product placement deal or whatever, but they really had

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<v Speaker 4>me in a choke hold and it really just hit

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<v Speaker 4>so hard. And I still love Ben and Jerry's Yes

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<v Speaker 4>me too.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, they must have paid for that because

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<v Speaker 6>she's like fish food.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's fish food. That's comedy, which is.

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<v Speaker 5>My favorite Ben and Jerry's favorite is. It's just like

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of like possible product things like I was

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<v Speaker 5>like thinking back to her, I was like, did they

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<v Speaker 5>have the.

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<v Speaker 6>Mood ring nail polish? Like was that a thing? Where

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<v Speaker 6>was there like starfish air?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like mood ring nail Polish must have existed,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like it did. I want to get a

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<v Speaker 3>mood ring again.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely had mood ring rings, and do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>those little It was a watch but it was the

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<v Speaker 2>size of a ring and you wore it on your finger. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like a watch with an alasta what. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to get one in mine. The watch ring

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<v Speaker 2>was also a mood ring, and it had a little

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<v Speaker 2>alien face on, like the face of the watch, and

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<v Speaker 2>it would change colors based on absolutely nothing and it

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with my mood. There I said it.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I loved my watch ring and I have

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<v Speaker 2>to get another one. Yes, now that their bag.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, I love the test they do to see if

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<v Speaker 4>he likes her.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it he like?

1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:54.519
<v Speaker 4>Plays with his hair, stretches and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Flexes and flexes. Okay. I kept having such a hard

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<v Speaker 2>time with this because I it was not clear to

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<v Speaker 2>me when he was flexing. Yeah, but the movie telegraphs

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<v Speaker 2>to like because when he was flex he wasn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>flexing or I don't know, it just didn't seem obvious

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<v Speaker 2>that he was flexing.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote that it's bent and snap for teen boys. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>in a way in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>The movie does pass the Bechdel test a lot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I figured, yeah, watching it, I was like, I think

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<v Speaker 5>this checks all the boxes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, it's mostly Claire and Haley when they're alone.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're with Aquamarine, the conversation usually turns to Raymond,

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<v Speaker 2>but if it's just Haley and Claire, they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>their friendship. They talk about Haley moving away, They talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the ocean and the water.

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<v Speaker 3>They talk about a marine and how to hide her

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<v Speaker 3>in various locations.

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<v Speaker 2>They talk about how ugly some of these consignment storage

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<v Speaker 2>dresses are, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it passes a lot, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>it does speak to like, you know, this movie had

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<v Speaker 3>women at the top of it, and so I would

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that it was like it's possible that there was

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<v Speaker 3>just way less pushback for actually centering the girls at

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<v Speaker 3>the center of the story, and even that still meant

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<v Speaker 3>that you had to add like a quote unquote bitchy character,

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<v Speaker 3>which feels very of the time, and I wonder, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like that to me, I'm like, I'm going to assume

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<v Speaker 3>that was a male studio note of like where's the villain?

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<v Speaker 4>Some shit like that, get Cecilia Banks on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Worth reiterating that this is an incredibly white cast.

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<v Speaker 2>It has basically no diversity. I think Cecilia has one

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<v Speaker 2>friend who is a person of color, but aside from that,

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<v Speaker 2>but she doesn't speak. She has like one line of

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue and she's barely ever on screen. So yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>you blink, you'd miss her because it's such a predominantly

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<v Speaker 2>white cast otherwise, So that brings us to our nipple

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<v Speaker 2>scale as far as rating the movie on a scale

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<v Speaker 2>of zero to five nipples, examining the movie through an

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<v Speaker 2>intersectional feminist lens. As per our discussion, I appreciate a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what this movie does as far as defying

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<v Speaker 2>tropes about coming of age movies about girlhood and romance.

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<v Speaker 2>And the movie does place so much focus on the

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<v Speaker 2>friendship between Claire and Haley and Aquamarine, and the boy

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<v Speaker 2>is just sort of like a vehicle to get them

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<v Speaker 2>to realize how deeply they care about each other. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. The movie being so white is very glaring,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll dock some nippleage off for that. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously there are queer reads of the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>but the like text. The intention I think of the

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<v Speaker 2>filmmakers is like, yeah, these are all straight people, duh.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I'll go like three and a half

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<v Speaker 2>nipples With all of that in mind, I'll give one

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<v Speaker 2>nipple to each of the three friends, and my half

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<v Speaker 2>nipple will go to the movie Gremlins because they have

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<v Speaker 2>the same rules.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do three and a half as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is. It is a very white movie

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<v Speaker 3>that is telegraphic straightness. But I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that the baby bisexual in me was was feeling the

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<v Speaker 3>vibe of this movie. I understand why it is a

1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:56.719
<v Speaker 3>formative text for many millennials in that sense, but also

1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:59.880
<v Speaker 3>speaks to how like, you know, when there wasn't any representation,

1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:04.120
<v Speaker 3>you just had to see it and discover it. In

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<v Speaker 3>any case, Yeah, I love that this movie is committed

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part to really centering on this friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>And I like that it's like a complex friendship too,

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<v Speaker 3>and that both of these kids don't appear to be

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<v Speaker 3>especially wealthy. I mean, I don't think I think that

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<v Speaker 3>they're like maybe lower middle class. It seems like which

1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:30.400
<v Speaker 3>is just you know, class wise. I don't think something

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<v Speaker 3>we see very often. I feel like it's usually upper

1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:38.000
<v Speaker 3>middle class with friend dynamics that are far less complicated

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<v Speaker 3>and thoughtful. And so yeah, I love Clara and Haley's friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does break my heart every time when they

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<v Speaker 3>don't end up together. But yeah, I think it's a

1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:53.720
<v Speaker 3>lovely movie and it holds up pretty well. And I'll

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<v Speaker 3>give it three and a half nipples. I will give

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<v Speaker 3>one to Jojo shout out to her for being on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I will give one nipple to Elizabeth Allen. This is

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<v Speaker 3>her first feature and it's like really a really good

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<v Speaker 3>first feature that and she's gone on to have a

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<v Speaker 3>really successful career, mostly in TV, but she's like directed

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<v Speaker 3>an episode of fucking Everything. I will give one to

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<v Speaker 3>the editor Jane Moran because I love seeing women in

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<v Speaker 3>the editing booth. And I'll give the last half to

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<v Speaker 3>Alice Hoffman for having a really cool Mermaid idea.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, I saw Disney's Little Mermaid and I have

1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:37.599
<v Speaker 2>never do it better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what about y'all?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I agree with three and a half. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm also gonna be saying three and a half nipple

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<v Speaker 5>because of Yeah, this is the way it like, it

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<v Speaker 5>does go against the grain. I feel like of the

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<v Speaker 5>time too, when so many things were just like this

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<v Speaker 5>is how it is that nothing was passing the back

1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:03.040
<v Speaker 5>of the test.

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<v Speaker 6>Really not a lot of stuff, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I would appreciate, you know, even just like the trophy

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<v Speaker 5>black sidekick friend.

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<v Speaker 3>I love to see nothing nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>There. So I'm going to give one of those just

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<v Speaker 5>to split amongst the three, and then one to split

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<v Speaker 5>amongst the woman production team. Why do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>Leonard because I was also.

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<v Speaker 6>Doubting him at the beginning. Yeah, and then the half

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<v Speaker 6>to the non existent black sidekick friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's that's your witch wish for Aquamarine.

1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna think Aquamarine's best friend back in the

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<v Speaker 2>ocean is a black mermaid.

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<v Speaker 6>What is that real?

1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:52.560
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 6>That the book can a book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but no, the this is my hypothesis. And so

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<v Speaker 2>there is a black character. We just don't see her

1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:09.200
<v Speaker 2>on Scream because the budget. The budget is a budget thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I love it all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I I'm not gonna lie. I was leaning three

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<v Speaker 4>and a half, but since everyone did three and a half,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna be controversial. I'm gonna go just for three

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<v Speaker 4>because there were some issues I had yet zero people

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<v Speaker 4>of color. I didn't love the child bride elements. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there were parts where it felt very like male gayzy

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<v Speaker 4>when it did need to be. And then I have

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<v Speaker 4>to say it really bothers me when there is like

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<v Speaker 4>the caddye mean girl for no reason, like Cecilia Minks.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm rooting for you to get another.

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<v Speaker 3>Role that is not the villain.

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<v Speaker 4>So I will give it three nipples, and one of

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<v Speaker 4>them will go to the power of female for friendship

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<v Speaker 4>and to slumber parties and having fun like giggling with

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<v Speaker 4>your friends at that age. One is going to go

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<v Speaker 4>to the mom forgetting her flowers and her ten year

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<v Speaker 4>grant journey single mom works.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's one.

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<v Speaker 4>Job, but we'll say it's too to fit the joke.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the last nipple I'm going to give to

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to say to mermaids everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>We exist, to all our mermaid listeners, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Beautiful, to our fellow mermaids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god. Wow. Well, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us for this lovely discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>This is such a flash, so fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you guys so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us where people can listen to your podcast, follow

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<v Speaker 2>you on social media, plug anything you want to plug.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, definitely follow Players a film industry podcast on Spotify.

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<v Speaker 5>You can get updates on there and such. We post

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<v Speaker 5>updates on social media to on my social media so

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<v Speaker 5>at Amani M. Davis on Instagram and then also through

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<v Speaker 5>the actually company that dem and I work with, Room

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen Productions, so you can get updates about the pot

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<v Speaker 5>on there on that Instagram page as well. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we we have all kinds of topics about the film industry,

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<v Speaker 5>breaking in different industry trends, things that we want to

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<v Speaker 5>like gab about, so check that out.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then for all my Chicago film girlies, non

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<v Speaker 4>binary folks and film and mermaids, we do Film Girls

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<v Speaker 4>Brunch here as well. I know Amani does it in

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<v Speaker 4>La too, so you can follow us.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go to that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, come to Film Girls Brunch in La.

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<v Speaker 4>We have it in Chicago. You can if you follow

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<v Speaker 4>like Room nineteen you'll get updates on that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, come to one of our Film Girls Brunch

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<v Speaker 4>meetups too. I'm a filmmaker in Chicago and love connecting

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<v Speaker 4>with other women in film wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for joining us again. Come back anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm having more Mermaids. We love to see them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we still have to cover Mermaids with share

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<v Speaker 2>and one on a writer and the movie I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's Splash, and there's the thirteen Year, there's there's

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<v Speaker 3>so much.

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<v Speaker 6>So much mermaid This is the thing now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're doing We'll come back for all of these.

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