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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women and them all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy zeph and Beast

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Jamie is the prettiest girl in the whole wide world.

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Speaker 1: Kidly, it is the most beautiful person I've ever shared.

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Speaker 3: A wing your life, Like, I, okay, can I be honest?

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Speaker 2: Those earrings are so creepy.

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Speaker 3: I would rip my fucking ear off. I would be

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Speaker 3: like get like those things are killers, because you know,

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Speaker 3: the second you fall asleep they start saying bad shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that was I couldn't stop thinking about the second

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Speaker 3: the second they were like what's the It's like that

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Speaker 3: old god, why did my brain go here? But like

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Speaker 3: that old Lemon joke where she's like you should kill yourself,

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Speaker 3: it's like that's what the starfish earrings do the second

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Speaker 3: a reason, on the Wikipedia page for this movie, they're

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Speaker 3: all credited as the voices of their own starfish earings

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Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, say less, like I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, this is not information we needed.

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Speaker 3: I reject that information. I yeah, the starfish earings, they've

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Speaker 4: Nothing is more obvious to me that my love language

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Speaker 2: Got into the ocean and scavenge these tiny little starfish earings.

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Speaker 4: I was honestly a little scared to say something. I

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Speaker 2: No, speak your truth.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all opinions are welcome, but you're right and objectively

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Speaker 3: terrifying starfish hearings.

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Speaker 4: In retrospect, it is a creepy voice.

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Speaker 5: The fact that they like do themselves is very interesting

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's self love and that's nice,

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Speaker 6: The mommy is amazing.

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Speaker 3: I don't have enough faith in my own like my

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Speaker 3: a time. Like I would not go to sleep with

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Hello, and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name

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Speaker 2: is Caitlyn Tourante, and Caitlin is the prettiest girl in

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Speaker 2: the word.

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Speaker 3: My name's Jamie Loftus and she sucks and she deserves

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Speaker 3: to die. And this is the Bechtel Cast, our podcast

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Speaker 3: where we take a look at your favorite movies using

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Speaker 3: an intersectional feminist lens, also using the Bechdel Test as

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Speaker 3: a jumping off point for discussion. But Caitlin, what the

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Speaker 3: hell is that?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's a media metric created by queer cartoonist

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Speaker 2: Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. There are

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Speaker 2: many versions of it. Ours is do two characters of

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Speaker 2: a marginalized gender have names? Do they speak to each other?

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Speaker 2: And is the conversation about something other than a man?

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Speaker 2: And we also like it when it's a narratively substantial

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And today we are talking about a movie that

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Speaker 3: I believe has been a consistent request for the entirety

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Speaker 3: of this show, of this program, and we have finally

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Speaker 3: found the right guests to discuss this beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Incredible work. Yes, because they're both mermaids. Yes, it took

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Speaker 2: us this long, but we finally.

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Speaker 3: Have expert opinions. Look, if you keep your podcast on

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Speaker 3: long enough, you will have mermaids as guests. Alfred Molina

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Speaker 2: It works, a natural trajectory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're covering the two thousand and six classic

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Speaker 3: Dare I Say Aqua Marine, based on the book by

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Speaker 2: Wow. And our guests joining us are the hosts of Players,

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Speaker 2: a film industry podcast. It's Dumma Strasbaugh and Immani Davis.

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Speaker 6: Hello.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having us, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 6: Excited to dive in.

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Speaker 3: Wow, cooking already cooking already, Amani?

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Speaker 4: Who told? Who told that we were murmaid?

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Speaker 3: So well, I Aquamarine actually does need to be wet.

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Speaker 2: Fish, right, But I guess the rules for her to

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Speaker 2: Ho title is old as Time, a tale whil it's okay, okay, Dema,

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Speaker 4: And also I was like, oh, this movie taught me

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and six we were there, Kitlyn, what's your

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Speaker 3: for Jamie. She was for all my Gilmore Girls heads.

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Speaker 2: we meet best friends Claire and Hayley, played by Emma

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Speaker 3: I also it's like, this was a completely irrational thought.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, they know Aquamarine. Maybe they taught her

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Speaker 3: Here's here's my horror pitch. Aquamarine whoopsie Daisies capsized the

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Speaker 3: Yes, So she's like and then I'll strike when Emma

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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, okay. So also on the beach

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Speaker 2: her name is Aqua Marine, although it takes forever for

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Speaker 3: Is a full half hour I had to check out.

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Speaker 3: Oh and if you help her, you get one genie wish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she also makes fun of them. She's like, you

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's just an amalgamation a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Three days to fall in love, because this is very important.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, that her father has arranged. Yep, correct picture this.

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Speaker 3: Your dad says, unless you can prove to me that

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Speaker 2: It seems like mermaid culture is a patriarchy for sure,

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Speaker 3: But like the mermaid names, took a long time.

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Speaker 2: So they they bring her to Claire's house, where Aquamarine's dad,

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Speaker 4: There was some initial pushback to the Raymond crush, but

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Speaker 3: But he is talking to himself, and what he says

439
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 3: as he's talking to himself, he's doing, Okay, sit up,

440
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 3: ooh that hers it's second set up, but this will

441
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: make it all worth it. What the fuck are you talking?

442
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: It's really quiet, but I rewound it like three times

443
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: just to make sure that that weird and it's cleary

444
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: that the kid isn't saying it, but so they added

445
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: it in.

446
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: It's just like eighty R Why did say that?

447
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: Oh that hurts, but this will make it all worth it?

448
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: Like what is this?

449
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 6: Yeah?

450
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: When when you say this, I just loved.

451
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: That someone made a choice to put that in.

452
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just like, if I'm the director of this,

453
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: they're like, something's not something's not working with this scene.

454
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: We should make him give positive. He's basically being his

455
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: own starfish hearings and that, oh that hurts, but this

456
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: will make it all worth it.

457
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: You're the most mascular boy.

458
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: You know, you're us Raymond.

459
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Everybody loves rating his own little voice telling him you're

460
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: also anyway. So he runs out to help aqua marine,

461
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: but she doesn't really understand human social cues, so she's

462
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: like awkward and over zealous, and then the mean popular

463
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: girl Cecilia shows up to get a driving lesson from Raymond,

464
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: and then you realize, okay, she must be sixteen at least.

465
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: Raymond also seems to be like sixteen seventeen, so he's

466
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: like a few years older than Haley and Claire. I

467
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: think that it's also implied that Aqua Marine is a

468
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: bit older. She's also, yeah, sixteen kind of thing.

469
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: I always got very like cool older sister vibes from her, right.

470
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: But then it makes you wonder why Cecilia and her

471
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: friends spend so much time making fun of like girls

472
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: way younger than that. Is that a thing that happens?

473
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: It's all about making yourself feel bigger.

474
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't have her own starfish earrings, so

475
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: she has to get validation by putting other people down.

476
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: It's true.

477
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 4: She's even mean to her other friends, and that's why

478
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: they did her later.

479
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, she had that coming. Her dad was a

480
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: little out of pocket towards Ci. But we'll get you.

481
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, surely this is partially

482
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: your fault.

483
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: You did not bet this, Okay. So Celia shows up

484
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: to get a driving lesson, so Claire, Haley, and Aquamarine

485
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: head back home so that the friends can teach Aquamarine

486
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: more about how to get a boy to like you

487
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: via a bunch of teen magazines. And there's a whole

488
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: montage to this effect. What a throwback.

489
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: It's literally I think they cut they do like a

490
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: close hit on, like keep smiling.

491
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 5: Definitely a time capsule. I was like, I had those magazines.

492
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: It was like Cosmo Girl, ye seventeen th I did.

493
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: I loved those magazines because they were, for some reason,

494
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: a little bit smaller than my mom's magazines, Like I

495
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: do you remember, like teen Vogue.

496
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: Was just it was little, it was littler.

497
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I liked it.

498
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: Anyways, I didn't have I'm missing out on this. I

499
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: wasn't allowed to have those, but I had, like the

500
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: Care of Keeping You.

501
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: Book classic, A classic.

502
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 4: Didn't teach me how to how to flirt with boys, though,

503
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 4: that's probably why I was so bad at it.

504
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: I like, any I kind of I feel like the

505
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: American Girl books were pretty wholesome. I have it's it's

506
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: in here somewhere. They did make an American girl book

507
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: about how to flirt?

508
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 6: Really, Oh yeah, I need that now. I still need that.

509
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, and my mom was a freak, so

510
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: she got it for me. She's like, best of luck,

511
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: good luck out there.

512
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: Hilarious. Uh okay. So then the three of them head

513
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: to a street fair where Raymond is and he an

514
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: Aquamarine connect and they go on a paddle boat together

515
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: and he's like, wow, you're not like the other girls,

516
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: and she's like, tii really. But then she realizes the

517
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: sun is setting, which means her tail will come back

518
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: very soon, so she has to hurry away, and Claire

519
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: and Haley take her to a water tower for Aquamarine

520
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: to spend the night in pretty brilliant.

521
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 4: How she did not get a drop of water on

522
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: her during the paddle sequence.

523
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 6: I know.

524
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: I was like, you're worried about the sun setting? What

525
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: about the water?

526
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 6: About the water?

527
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: She forgot the other rule?

528
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of rules.

529
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 5: Also, currieus just about the water tower choice, because there's

530
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 5: also the scene, the iconic scene with the bathtob Chili

531
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 5: in the bathtub with the tail. I'm like, well, why

532
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: didn't she just chill?

533
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: There were so many other sources of water, water tower.

534
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't know why they go to the lengths of

535
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: taking her up a water tower. We don't know. It's

536
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: so that she can get quote unquote trapped there by

537
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Cecilia later. But it's it's it feels very contrived. Wow.

538
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I wrote water tower smart idea.

539
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 8: Okay, got it, got it, got it again.

540
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: Every every this is a safe space. Every opinion is

541
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: valid here.

542
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty inventive of them.

543
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: I feel I feel like it's like the bathtub is

544
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: like a fish bowl, and then the water tower it's

545
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: like staying at a aquarium, and then there's the ocean.

546
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: There's different Yeah, there's different levels.

547
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: They get sure the water tower is like an apartment.

548
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: You can just sing wheezer there by yourself, which she

549
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: does later, which she does.

550
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: And she couldn't go back in the swimming pool because

551
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: it's established that they drained it. Yeah, so actually, maybe

552
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: it is brilliant. I was.

553
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: It was really late and I watched this genius.

554
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: So the next day is this big beach party called

555
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: the Last Splash, and it seems like Raymond was going

556
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: to ask Aqua Marine to go with him. So the

557
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: girls go on a shopping bontage for an outfit for

558
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: Aqua Marine.

559
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 7: As you do in the two thousands, where establishes further

560
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 7: that she's not like other girls because they're like, these

561
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 7: are secondhand clothes, and she's like, guys, give them a chance.

562
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: Wow, sustainability, queen, I did. I mean, it's like it

563
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: is so contrived to have a like close trying on sequence,

564
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: but it's I love two thousands ones because they're always

565
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: trying on the most but ugly shit like in the

566
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: world where you're like, you guys look horrible, you look

567
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: so bad.

568
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: And then she tried on a dress that it looks

569
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: I mean whatever, but the sleeves are especially ugly, so

570
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: she just rips them off. But I don't think buys

571
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: the dress then, because we don't see her wearing it again.

572
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: So she just like defaces the property of the store

573
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: and then leaves, which is iconic.

574
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 4: But she's not like other girls.

575
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah, past It's okay, right, So after the

576
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: shopping bontage, Aquamarine makes Hailey ride on a dolphin to

577
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: go out into the ocean and collect the starfish earrings

578
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: that give them compliments. But then Aquamarine finds out that

579
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: Raymond is going to the Last Splash party with Cecilia

580
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: because Cecilia had lied and told Raymond that Aquamarine has

581
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: a boyfriend. So Aquamarine is devastated and she runs off,

582
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: but Claire and Hailey managed to find her and Raymond

583
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: and help clear things up and arrange for them to

584
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: go on a date to the Last Splash, although Raymond

585
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: almost sees Aquamarine as a mermaid when she's taking a bath,

586
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: and so there's a close call there iconic where Jojo

587
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: has to like jump in the bathtub with her, pretending

588
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: to be her legs. But you really have to do

589
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: so unnecessary.

590
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're in the bath, you don't need to

591
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: prove your legs. I love that she committed.

592
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So then the date happens and Aquamarine and

593
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: Raymond have a nice time. They dance, but then they

594
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: dance to Wheezer's Island in the Sun. Of course, they.

595
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: Bribe the musicians with a piece of cake. They walk

596
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: on stage and they're like please, they like hand it off,

597
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, is he gonna eat that now or what?

598
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: What do you mean a piece of cake?

599
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 2: It's a weird bribe. So then the date is happening,

600
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: but sunset rolls around again and Aquamarine has to abruptly

601
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: leave once again, but she tells Raymond to meet her

602
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: on the pier the following morning at nine am, and

603
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: then she gives him a kiss on the lips and

604
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: he's like a woo god. And then Cecilia follows Aquamarine

605
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: to the water tower and discovers that she's a mermaid.

606
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: So Cecilia breaks the ladder so that no one will

607
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: be able to go up or down, and then she

608
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: goes back to the party and tells her friends that

609
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: Aquamarine is a mermaid, but they don't believe her. But

610
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: Leonard overhears this and he starts researching mermaids in a book.

611
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: And he has this piece of jewelry that he had

612
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: found in the drained swimming pool and it matches up

613
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: with mermaid jewelry. So he's like, wait a minute.

614
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: I want to check because I was like, this character

615
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: feels added, So I checked the synopsis of the book,

616
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: and indeed, there is no not a Leonard in sight.

617
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 6: There's no Leonard.

618
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: No, he is very random. Because they're like because it

619
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: wasn't even like I mean, I guess that the girls

620
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: learned not to judge loan adult men in Florida, which

621
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't even know if that's a good lesson to learn.

622
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 6: Like you should be suspicious of this man.

623
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, Leonard, who knows you know, bless his heart,

624
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: seems like a nice guy.

625
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: I think they're being classist and agist by being afraid

626
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: of him.

627
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: I think I'm a thirteen year old girl. I'm not

628
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: talking to a huge stranger.

629
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Fair, that was me. He's also like not trying to

630
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: like befriend them or anything.

631
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: They're just like, that's true.

632
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: I guess they do know him, right, Yeah, because he

633
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: works at the club that her grandparents own't.

634
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're being class then, Okay, I kept forget.

635
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: I was thinking of him as like the neighbor from

636
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: home alone, and I understood why they were scared of him.

637
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: That's yeah, he does get a wish as well, and

638
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: I need to understand did he force that woman to

639
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: fall in love with him?

640
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: Or what great.

641
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: Question I think he did? I think Lon did. I

642
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: was like wink wink, I'm like, wait, like we need

643
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: more rules with the genie wish you could have just

644
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: asked her out. That couldn't have happened with Aladdin's Genie.

645
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: That was one of his rules because he says, I

646
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: can't make anybody fall in love with anybody else and

647
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: he won't kill anyone. We need better rules.

648
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like her wish to get if you

649
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: help me with this man falling in love with me,

650
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: then you get a wish. But then Leonard would just

651
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: like happen to like help her down a tower. And

652
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 4: she was like, would you care for a wish? She's

653
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: just like passing him out now right.

654
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 2: The amount of effort and labor you have to put

655
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: in varies, but you'll still get the same like caliber

656
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: of wish.

657
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: You could still just like arguably ruin a woman's life

658
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 3: just for no reason at all.

659
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 4: Great, Okay, right, I think I'm catching on.

660
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: So the next morning, Haley is having second thoughts about

661
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: the wish that she and Claire are planning to have

662
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: because Hailey realizes that her mom has worked really hard

663
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: for the job that she got in Australia and she

664
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: doesn't want to ruin that for her mom. And this

665
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: makes Claire really upset the thought that Haley is going

666
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: to abandon their wish, and they get in a huge

667
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: fight and say some really mean things to each other. Meanwhile,

668
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 2: Cecilia tells her news report or father that she heard

669
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: cries coming from the water tower, so a rescue mission

670
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: is underway, but really Cecilia just wants to expose Aquamarine

671
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: as being a mermaid on TV. But this planned backfires

672
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: because they don't find her, and Cecilia is like, there

673
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: is a mermaid up there, I swear, and everyone's like

674
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: uh huh. And it turns out that Aquamarine wasn't in

675
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: the water tower because Leonard had climbed up and rescued

676
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: her because he has his own ladder, so he gets

677
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: a wish now and turns out he's actually nice and

678
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: not creepy. I guess ya, yay Leonard. Then Aquamarine goes

679
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: to meet up with Raymond on the pier because it's

680
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: I guess nine am the next morning, and she asks

681
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: if he loves her, because if he says he loves her,

682
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: that's the proof she needs to show her father that

683
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: love is real, and he's like, well, I like you,

684
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: but we've only had one date, so as far as

685
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: love goes, I would say.

686
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: No, which is like sweet about it. Yeah, yeah, I

687
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: really appreciate it. I mean like it's you know, he's

688
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: a very stock character, but like Raymond's like a sweet person.

689
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah nice, and it's like, yeah, totally very fair. I

690
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 5: remember being like, I think devastated, as how could he is.

691
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, right, because every other movie would be like, yes,

692
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: I love you so much.

693
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 3: But he's so nice about it. He's like, but I'm

694
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: not saying I won't ever, It's just we should go

695
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: on some more dates. You're like, oh, Raymond, sweety.

696
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: He's like, we've known each other for two days, so

697
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: fair enough. So just then Cecilia shows up and pushes

698
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: Aquamarine into the ocean, which of course turns her back

699
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: into a mermaid. And then her merman father, who we

700
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 2: don't see on screen but he can' we.

701
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: Just see via a lot of bad CGI.

702
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: But just for sure he's like trying to pull her

703
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: back home via like waves and whirlpools and stuff. So

704
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: Claire and Haley jump in to try to save Aquamarine.

705
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: And also there's this whole subplot where because Claire's parents

706
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: drowned at ce she's afraid of the water and she

707
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: refuses to go in the water. So it's like a

708
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: big deal that Claire jumps in and they're like, well,

709
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: Aquamarine will set you free with our wish, much like

710
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: how Aladdin uses his last wish to set the Genie free.

711
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: But Aquamarine is like, there's no use. Raymond doesn't love me,

712
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: so I can't even grant your wish. But then she

713
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: realizes that Haley and Claire jumped in to save her,

714
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: and they're willing to give up their wish for her

715
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: because they love Aquamarine. So love does exist. It doesn't

716
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: have to be romantic, hetero love. So her father like

717
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: releases her from this marital obligation aka from being a

718
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: child bride, and Claire and Haley want to wish that

719
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: Aqua Marine stay with them, but she's like, nah, I'm

720
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: a mermaid, so I gotta be getting back to the ocean. Now.

721
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: I feel my family who wants me to marry someone

722
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: like there. I felt so bad for Claire at the

723
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: end of the movie, I'm like, damn, she got none

724
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: of what she wants.

725
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 5: She got.

726
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 4: She got a kiss on the cheek from Raymond.

727
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 6: That's to for something she gets.

728
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 9: They were very happy about that, as does Haley, and

729
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 9: then Raymond also gives Aqua Marine a little kiss on

730
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 9: the lips again and he's like, see you later, she's like,

731
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 9: bye bye, and the friends have made up. So Claire

732
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 9: and Hailey are best friends again, and they both accept

733
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 9: that Haley is moving away, but they are like, we

734
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 9: had the best summer ever and we'll cherish that forever.

735
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: The end. So that's the movie. Let's take another quick

736
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: break and we'll come back to discuss.

737
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: My favorite thing about Aquamarine, the character that I must

738
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: have gone wild over when I was a kid, was

739
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: her mood ring nails. I was like, that's the coolest,

740
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: like two thousands cool girl detail ever. I loved it,

741
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: And this is did anyone else think? She kept doing

742
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: this like joke where I guess mermaids don't cry or

743
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: whatever or something. I'm like, what is it like like there?

744
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: But she she keeps saying I'm leaking, and I was

745
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: thinking about Jim Carrey Grinch because that's what Jim Carrey

746
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: Grinch says, and I was like, Wow, she's literally taking

747
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: lions cribbing lines from Jim Carrey Grinch. And that's all

748
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 3: I have to say about the movie.

749
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: No, No, the end of the episode. I liked when

750
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: she wouldn't swear, but she'd use like c puns instead.

751
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: She'd be like, oh, what a barnacle she says like

752
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: salt instead of shit or something. I don't know, but

753
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: it's really good writing.

754
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 6: Bull shark.

755
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 5: That.

756
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: It's kind of funny. So before we get into the discussion,

757
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: I just wanted to shout out the production team, which

758
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: there's a lot of women in the production team. Granted,

759
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: like this entire production is a very white group of women,

760
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: but we have a first time director. Elizabeth Allen directed

761
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: the movie. There is a woman who co wrote the

762
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: movie who has a wild resume, Jessica Bendinger, who she

763
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: wrote Bring it On. She was a writer on Sex

764
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: and the City. She was a writer of First Daughter,

765
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: and she wrote stickt the same year as Aquamarines. So

766
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: oh wow, amazing what a goddamn resume. Right, also edited

767
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: and produced by women, So I really appreciate that, and

768
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: I feel like you can really feel it in the way.

769
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 3: And it's also obviously adapted from a book by Alice Hoffman,

770
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: whose most famous work is Practical Magic.

771
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: But she has also a very long resume of having

772
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: written her so many books.

773
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, like she's a she's an all timer. But but yeah,

774
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, I really like that team, Like that's

775
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: I feel like this movie is and this story in

776
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: general is like I think, generally better than a lot

777
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: of comparable stuff at the time. I like the emphasis

778
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: on friendship. I know that there's a lot of like

779
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: queer readings of this movie that I'm excited to talk about.

780
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: I just like, Yeah, it's a fun movie totally, and

781
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: I like that women made it.

782
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I.

783
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 5: Feel like a lot of these because I already visit

784
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 5: them sometimes. A lot of these, like early two thousands,

785
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: just like young Girl coming of age stories, have been

786
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 5: directed by men. So it's just refreshing to see a

787
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: production full of women.

788
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: Truly, and you can usually tell when they're directed by

789
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: men versus when they're directed and written by women. Because yeah,

790
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: as we've said, this movie and not that, like hetero

791
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: romance can't exist in a story, but it's often so

792
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: much emphasis is placed on that. And like we talked

793
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: about recently on the Angus Songs and Perfect Snogging episode,

794
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: it's a group of friends who are characterized entirely by

795
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: the crushes on boys and don't seem to have anything

796
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: else going on outside of that, And you know, it's like,

797
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: what are their common interests? What brings them together? As friends.

798
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: What you know, it's the movie just ignores all of

799
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: that and focuses entirely on the hetero romances, Whereas this movie,

800
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: sure there is emphasis on these girls helping this mermaid

801
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: to find low hetero love with a boy, but the

802
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: way it culminates is way different than we're used to seeing,

803
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: in the sense that they do prove that love exists,

804
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: but it's platonic love among friends love girls unless unless

805
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: it is romantic love between girls.

806
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: Right, because there is gay parentheses implied in the performances.

807
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: I think, like by all three of them are really

808
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 3: good and really thoughtful, and you know, unlike I just

809
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: like I know we keep bringing angus, but we just

810
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: watched it and like Emma Roberts and Jojo have this

811
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: like really deep, complicated codependent friendship that we actually do

812
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: kind of learn a lot about. And they're like, we're

813
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: all each other like has and we both feel like,

814
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: you know, lonely and kind of disconnected and we don't

815
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: want to be separated.

816
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: And we love each other.

817
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: But like it was just I don't know, even though

818
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: it's like I think there's always more room for like

819
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: what are their interests, Like, what do they like what

820
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: do they want to do? I felt like, I mean,

821
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: their friendship is so intense and authentic, and I it

822
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: really worked for me. Yeah.

823
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 4: I think that's my favorite part about this is the

824
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 4: capturing of young like junior high friendships, which I agree

825
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: there are other layers to what little teenage girls talk about,

826
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: but I do love that they they're very like giggly

827
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: and fun and they just show them having fun together.

828
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 4: And and I agree, I think that Emma Roberts and

829
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 4: Jojo have such a good little chemistry about them too.

830
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: I think that really worked back together. Yeah, and I

831
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: think that Aquamarine was just a fun It was like

832
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: Manic Pixie dream Girl before Manic Pixy dream Girl, but

833
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: also in like I mean, he does say you're not

834
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: like other girls, but I feel like from like a

835
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: female like it was like, I don't know, instead of

836
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: the man and girl like Manny and we see there

837
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 4: like it was like all three of them as a

838
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: unit that we're seeing and yes on the Code of

839
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: Bendzen scene which they rope in Aquamarine on, they're like.

840
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and now we are yeah yeah, and they

841
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: don't go and it's like you gotta let her go.

842
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: They're never not together, like they're always following each other.

843
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 4: Even on the pier. They were like under the pier

844
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: and then they were like, let's just go up, and

845
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: I was surprised. Raymond was never like are you ever.

846
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: Not around them?

847
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: Or do they need to like always be chaperoning or what.

848
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: I guess Raymond is used to being followed around by them,

849
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: so maybe they're just part of this. Yeah, It's like

850
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: there's this part of the scenery to him because they're

851
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: also I think before they were following Marine around, they

852
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: were just following Raymond around. They're like spying on him at.

853
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: Work the ub and quizzing doing quizzes about him.

854
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: They're doing Raymond trivia.

855
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: Right in front of him, right.

856
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: I mean. Not only is there like a component of

857
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: manic pixie dream girl kind of thing, I was also

858
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: detecting hints of the like born sexy Yesterday trope because

859
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: Aquamarine does seem to fall in love with the first

860
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: man that she sees, and there are a lot of

861
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: like human customs and social cues that she doesn't stand.

862
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: But what differentiates it from other examples of this trope

863
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: is that it's not the man who teaches her about

864
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: social cues and teaches her about romance. It's the two girls,

865
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: it's Haley and Claire, and their advice comes from what

866
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: they read in magazines, which is often offering like very

867
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: like tropy, misguided advice.

868
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: But I like that, Like Aquamarine pushes back on that too,

869
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: where like after they read that whole pile of magazines,

870
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: she's like, so we're supposed to be flirty but demure,

871
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: devoted but not desperate, available but elusive, and like does

872
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: meaningfully kind of like comment on it. And I don't

873
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: think that, I mean what I I Another thing I

874
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: like about Aquamarine is I don't think she really I mean,

875
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: she absolutely does fall in love with literally the first

876
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: man she sees, I think, but it's like him, it's him, yeah,

877
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: And they're like, no, that's the one that we don't

878
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: want you to and she's like, sorry, I that's this is

879
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 3: another Mermaid rules exactly. But I do I feel like Aquamarine,

880
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, doesn't really get the guy by following the

881
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: rules of the magazine, which feels good, Like she gets

882
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: the guy by being herself.

883
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: Which he did. He interprets as you're not like the

884
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: other girls.

885
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah.

886
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: Does that just mean being not like other girls? Does

887
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 4: that just mean being like innocent and gullible.

888
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that. I don't know if

889
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: it's that she's nice and not mean the way that

890
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: Celia and her friends are mean and judgy.

891
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: But that's not how, that's not how the other two girls. Yeah,

892
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 4: I don't I don't get it either. It's just like something.

893
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 4: Oh he does say though, because.

894
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 3: She yes, she first walks up unlike other girls, you

895
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: are hot?

896
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you love me? And he's like no, but

897
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: I think you're hot, Like.

898
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Raymond?

899
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 4: And then I think he does like a finger gun.

900
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 4: I think he's like, you see you later.

901
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: What would have worked better is that if we understood

902
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: anything that they connected about that Raymond and Aquamarine like

903
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: had in common. And sure, many teenage romances are hot,

904
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: aren't Yeah, they they're not connecting over anything very meaningful,

905
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 2: but like, truly, what do these people have in common

906
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 2: other than they both know how to swim?

907
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 5: Like?

908
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: I wish they had just established like one thing, like

909
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: one reason that Raymond likes her and wants to keep

910
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: hanging out with Aquamarine, one reason why Aquamarine chose him

911
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: out of anyone else she could have chosen. The movie

912
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: just skips over all that I could.

913
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: Have even been just aligned. Yeah, it could have just

914
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: been in exchange.

915
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 5: They like the same music like something.

916
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. She also loves Wheezer's Island in the Sun

917
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: and he loves oranges or something. But I do really

918
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: like how the romance culminates as far as she's on

919
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: the pier at the end, repeats the question do you

920
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: love me? And he's like, well, I feel like he

921
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: should have been like, I'm having deja vu? Haven't you

922
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: said this before two days ago? But he says, like,

923
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: we've been on one date. I like you, and I'd

924
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: like to see where this goes. But like, love is

925
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: a strong word, which is a very realistic and pragmatic

926
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: way to approach the end of a movie like this,

927
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: because again, so many other movies would have been like

928
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: and yes, they are in love, even though they've known

929
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: each other for two days and they don't really know

930
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: anything about each other. But they've fallen abruptly in love,

931
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: And isn't that so believable.

932
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 4: I'm very curious your guys' thoughts on because I do

933
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 4: think that's very healthy, and his response was a healthy

934
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 4: do we think as a group, And I have my

935
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: own opinion on this, but I'll wait. It's healthy for

936
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: them then to be the two girls, like is it

937
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 4: healthy that they're like, we love you like as a friend?

938
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: Great question? After you know, they have certainly spent more

939
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: time with Aquamarine, and they do seem to have bonded

940
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: over more things such as magazines and dress shopping.

941
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: Well, and also, to be fair, I mean like the

942
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: all three of them feel like misfits to some extent,

943
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: or like estranged from their family, or like Jojo does

944
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: like it clearly does not have a good relationship with

945
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: her mom. The one thing we see her mom and

946
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 3: she's pretty mean. She's like, what are you thinking? And

947
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: then Jojo says it and then she's like, shut up.

948
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 3: I'm see.

949
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: I was on the mom's side there. I was like,

950
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: JoJo's being a brat, and I was on.

951
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 3: JoJo's side, like Mama, stop. But they're all I get

952
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: why the girl's like hyper bond to Aquamarine. It's probably

953
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: not the healthiest thing, but it makes sense to me

954
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 3: where it's like Aquamarine is another like you know girl

955
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: that doesn't feel like she fits in where she's.

956
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 5: From totally, and I I too, was on JoJo's side,

957
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 5: and then I felt like this pang of empathy when

958
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 5: the mom's friend kind of came in and was like, yeah,

959
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, like this is so competitive. I was like,

960
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 5: oh my god, like they showing the mom and like

961
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 5: this pursuit of this ten year grand I was like, well, okay,

962
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 5: maybe shows us.

963
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 4: What single jobs.

964
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, dreams.

965
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was like left by her ex husband. Yeah,

966
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 6: they just throw that in there.

967
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: She's like rebuilding as a single parent.

968
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 6: Yeah.

969
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 3: I mean it's she was a little short with Jojo,

970
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: but it's also like, yeah, Jojo, unfortunately you do have

971
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: to go to Australia, Like your life will be.

972
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: Better there, yes, outside of Tampa.

973
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm gonna be so honest. I was like,

974
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 4: oh for sure, I would I've been there. I would

975
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 4: be like I love you.

976
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah when you're like.

977
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 6: Thirteen, totally like, oh my gosh, best for forever.

978
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: Best friend forever.

979
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 3: They sell it, I like I felt it.

980
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: No, I was definitely on their side totally with that.

981
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh yeah, that's real. But like the love

982
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 4: for with Raymond would not be real. I'd be like,

983
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 4: don't trust him if he said it. But like with

984
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 4: the girls, I was always like, yeah, they love her

985
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 4: because I would too.

986
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 5: Exactly because you know where we got another side of

987
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 5: the falling in love like two days and it goes back,

988
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: uh frozen.

989
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

990
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: I was thinking that too. Yeah, like this is like

991
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 3: almost a pre frozen thing where it's like just pushing

992
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: back on those tropes in a way that like, at

993
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 3: least at the time, I was like, Oh, that's fun

994
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: I never see that.

995
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: That's so funny. Because I was thinking of ex Machina.

996
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 4: I was like, this woman just came, this one just

997
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: came out of the ocean and is meeting humanity for

998
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: the first.

999
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: Time, and she tricks Domald Gleeson like immediately where he's

1000
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: just like, I will do anything for you. I will

1001
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: escape Raymond.

1002
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: Raymond.

1003
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: That's wild that Raymond is smarter than Tom and he

1004
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: was like a science genius just goes to show lifeguards

1005
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: are smarter than scientists. Wow, yes, and you can quote me.

1006
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: I The movie I kept thinking of was Shape of Water.

1007
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1008
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: I was thinking of the thirteenth Year, not only because

1009
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: it is the suggestion that comes up. That's like a

1010
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: Disney Channel original movie that was like I think I

1011
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: was like too young for when it came out, but

1012
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: I saw it on reruns and it was about a

1013
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: younger man and that was well. I think we should

1014
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: cover it someday because I just remember being horny, horny, horny,

1015
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: and when I was ten watching that rerun being like

1016
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: what what?

1017
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: Like Okay, So just some thoughts.

1018
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: I have something I wanted to share about, like the

1019
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: queer readings of this movie. I thought it was really fun.

1020
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: We have actually from friends of the pod, the Le's

1021
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: Hangout Pod. Yes, oh, I believe we had them on

1022
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: our DEBS episode years ago, but they released a full

1023
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: like article on their site, Ellie and Lee about how

1024
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 3: much they love Aquamarine and how queer coded they felt

1025
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: it was when they first saw it. So I just

1026
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: wanted to share. And it's also just a funny post.

1027
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: So I wanted to share just a paragraph from that

1028
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: they write somehow things get even gayer as the movie progresses.

1029
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 3: Aqua's whole mission is to get someone to fall in

1030
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: love with her and prove to her dad that love exists.

1031
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: Who is known to fall in love that quickly? Lesbians

1032
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: of course, the man she chooses is the first man

1033
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: she laid eyes on, and he does not love her

1034
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: yet it's been a day. But you know who does

1035
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: already love her, the little baby lesbians. In the end,

1036
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: the girls risk their lives to save Aqua and realize

1037
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: they love her the same way that they love each other.

1038
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: When they tell her, she realizes she loves them too,

1039
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: and one of her happy tears falls into the ocean,

1040
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: causing her dad to cease his rage storm. Her dad

1041
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: now knows that love really does exist, but canonically, he

1042
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: only knows gay love exists. He has zero proof. He

1043
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: has zero proof that heterosexual love is a thing. Aquamarine

1044
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: goes back to her pod to spread the gay agenda

1045
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: like an aquatic lesbian Jesus, and we can only assume

1046
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: that all of the previously loveless murd are now happily

1047
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 3: pairing off into queer partnerships threpples and polycules. So very

1048
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: good the queer read of Aquamarine. We can look to

1049
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: that whole post. It's very funny.

1050
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: Please, yes, that's hilarious. Also wanted to point out that

1051
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: chapel Rone cited this movie as inspiration for the music

1052
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: video for her song casual Oh that to sense, she

1053
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: described it as being aquamarine but like gay but.

1054
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: So there is a demand for aquamarine but gay but

1055
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: gay clearly right overly gay.

1056
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 2: Yes. So Hayley throughout the movie wears clothes that seem

1057
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: to be kind of more you could read it as

1058
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: gender neutral, maybe read it as like more masculine clothes,

1059
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: and the Bully girls keep making fun of her for it,

1060
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: and of course they are stylized as being very.

1061
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 3: Like literally driving around in Margot Robbie Barbie's car, like

1062
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: pink convertible.

1063
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, hyper feminine kind of thing, and they're always like

1064
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: pointing out like ooh, like, why are you wearing those

1065
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: hidious boyish clothes? And on one hand, sure there is

1066
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: a precedent for hyper feminine women to judge women who

1067
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: present more masculine or to you know, bully anyone who

1068
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: like doesn't fit the mold of like a very binary

1069
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: gender spectrum and gender presentation kind of thing. I found

1070
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: it an interesting component of the movie because it never

1071
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: really goes anywhere except to maybe subtly suggests that Haley

1072
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: is for sure lesbian based on the way she dresses.

1073
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know exactly why else that's there

1074
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: except to maybe just show that Cecilia and her friends

1075
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: are mean, but to choose that to be like the

1076
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: thing right that she bullies them for. I don't know.

1077
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: I was just curious on other thoughts about that.

1078
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like in this time period and things

1079
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 5: have kind of like shifted, but there is that like

1080
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: the tomboy like kind of uh trope that pops out

1081
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 5: I came up and like marking Nashley movies too, It's

1082
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: just like a common character type. And I feel like

1083
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 5: we can look at that now and be like, oh, yeah,

1084
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: like this is kind of like queer codd or it's

1085
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 5: like this is a non biname person with the way

1086
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 5: that that showed up of like it was a girl

1087
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 5: wearing like guys clothes and it's just a little more nuanced.

1088
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 6: It's more nuanced now.

1089
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right for sure?

1090
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And I think on the flip side

1091
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 3: of that is another example of I think that the

1092
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: Cecilia character was kind of like my least favorite portion.

1093
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: I don't even think she really needs to be there,

1094
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 3: if I'm being honest, Like, this is not a movie

1095
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: or a story that really needs a villain. I feel

1096
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 3: like it's a story of like friendship and self discovery

1097
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 3: and the fact that it's it's And also, Cecilia is

1098
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: not a character in the book. She is a villain

1099
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: added for the movie, which is further proof that, like,

1100
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: this is a story that is about friendship. You know,

1101
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: Raymond is definitely in the book, but I was like,

1102
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, Raymond, we could get rid of him too.

1103
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 3: I just like it should be focused on these core

1104
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 3: three you know, two girls in a mermaid and yeah,

1105
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 3: just the Cecilia stuff stuck out like a sore thumb

1106
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: because that felt like the tropiest part and an otherwise

1107
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 3: like movie that seemed to be subverting a lot of

1108
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 3: tropes were used to seeing. But the mean girl trope

1109
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: and the like demonization of hyperfemininity, like all of that

1110
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: two thousand stuff was still very you know present, and

1111
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: in a way that was just like why why?

1112
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 4: And I think that they and we were talking about

1113
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 4: how we wanted more of these characters and what they

1114
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 4: want in their personalities, because it's interesting I found throughout

1115
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: the entire movie, everyone was dealing with the consequences of

1116
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: men's choices, like Aquamarine's dad forcing her to be a

1117
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 4: child bride, and then JoJo's mom she has to you know,

1118
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 4: she doesn't have support from like her husband and has

1119
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: to like move around and not that she needs a

1120
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 4: support she could you know, be a single mom AND's life.

1121
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 4: But that seemed to be I don't know, they hinted

1122
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 4: at that being like at least something like a core

1123
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 4: element of JoJo's life. And then like they're at the

1124
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 4: Mercy of Raymond it seems falling in love with Aquamarine,

1125
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 4: when it really could have just been these three girls

1126
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 4: like exploring them as characters and like growing their friendship.

1127
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 4: And like even Raymond he couldn't have played as big

1128
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 4: of a part because it could have just been like,

1129
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe he just goes off with Cecilia

1130
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 4: and they do their thing and then they kind of

1131
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 4: had this Maybe they all three like have a fight

1132
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 4: and then they come back together and they discover, you know,

1133
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 4: they just love each other or something. I don't know.

1134
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: I just thought that was something that I would have

1135
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 4: liked to see a little more about them than their

1136
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: yeah personalities.

1137
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree.

1138
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: A couple other interesting departures from the book. I just

1139
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: wanted to point out.

1140
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: This book it's a really good book.

1141
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: I've not read it, but I did read the Wikipedia

1142
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: plot summary, So let's go. So in the book, Aquamarine

1143
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: is still randomly drawn to Raymond. Yeah, but in the book,

1144
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: she does not have the goal of proving to her

1145
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: father that love exists. She just wants to like hang

1146
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: around because she's attracted to Raymond. So the whole like

1147
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: interesting you know storyline of like trying to escape a

1148
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: marriage and prove that love exists to her father seems

1149
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: to be added for the movie as far as what

1150
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: I can tell, at least. Also in the book, aquam

1151
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: never turns to human form. Claire and Haley like put

1152
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: her in a long dress and a wheelchair to hide

1153
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: her mermaid take and the fact that she cannot walk. Yeah,

1154
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: so she stays a mermaid the whole time, and then

1155
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: they just disguise it. And Aquamarine does go on the

1156
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: date with Raymond and he doesn't notice and it's a

1157
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: nice time. But then he does discover she's a mermaid

1158
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: pretty soon after that because he sees her save a

1159
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: boy who has fallen in a swimming pool and he's like, oh, wow,

1160
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: you're a mermaid. That's okay. I still like you. And

1161
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: then the book ends with Claire and Haley bringing Aquamarine

1162
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: back to the ocean because like, being on land is

1163
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: bad for her health, and so they're like, okay, return

1164
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: to the sea, our new friend. So the component of like, well,

1165
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: we're proving that love exists because of our female friendship

1166
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: is also an add on for the movie, but the

1167
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: book is also just like yeah, and they're friends and

1168
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: isn't that nice? And then it's Claire who moves away

1169
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: to Florida. So I don't know where the book takes place.

1170
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: I guess they're not already in Florida anyway.

1171
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 3: I don't know that's I did not remember that. She

1172
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: never gets like I am I am okay with that,

1173
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 3: I am okay with I'm okay with that change. I think, yeah,

1174
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 3: what a that would have been a very complex that's

1175
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 3: a lot of tail, that's a lot of tales.

1176
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: That's really funny.

1177
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 3: I have a sorry I did. At the beginning. I

1178
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 3: was on Sarah Paxson's Wikipedia page going this journey with me, oh,

1179
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 3: and I was like, what are other things I've seen her?

1180
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: And I've seen her in a lot of things. She's

1181
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 3: been around forever, but I remember that she replaced the

1182
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: girl who plays Marnie in Halloween Town in the third

1183
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 3: Halloween Town movie. So I originally hated her because I

1184
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: was like, you're not Kimberly J. Brown. What did you

1185
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 3: do with her? And also it just sucks when I'm

1186
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 3: just like, just write a new character that's clearly not

1187
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: her anyways, So I was thinking about that and then

1188
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 3: I was like, what's let me check Kimberoly J. Brown's

1189
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: Wikipedia page, which led me to the realization, has anyone

1190
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 3: here seen Halloween Town two Calibar's Revenge?

1191
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1192
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 3: Okay, So, and how in that movie, Marnie kind of

1193
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 3: like starts a thing with Calibar's son Cal. Oh, they

1194
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 3: got married this year. They like didn't see each other

1195
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: for like twenty years and then met up at like

1196
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 3: a Halloween Town reunion event and fell in love and

1197
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 3: they got married this year.

1198
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that really fell in love in two days? Isn't

1199
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:43,879
Speaker 2: it amazing?

1200
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: I just that was. Yeah, that was I was like,

1201
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 3: oh God, it's so embarrassing being so susceptible to nostalgic culture,

1202
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 3: but that really hit. I was like, whoa, Marnie and

1203
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: Cal got married. Those are my friends from Halloween Town.

1204
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 4: Wow, that is really cute.

1205
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 3: Anyways, that's my story about Sarah Paxton.

1206
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: No, that's great. Does anyone have anything else they'd like

1207
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 2: to discuss about the movie Aquamarine.

1208
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 4: I just have to say that the when she's heartbroken

1209
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 4: in the bathtub eating Ben and Jerry's the amount of

1210
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 4: times that I quoted I have two new men now.

1211
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 4: Their names are Ben and Jerry. And the amount of

1212
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 4: Ben and Jerry's ice cream I bought after that movie

1213
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 4: or I didn't buy it. I was young. I requested it.

1214
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 4: They really I don't know if that was intentional, like

1215
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 4: a product placement deal or whatever, but they really had

1216
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 4: me in a choke hold and it really just hit

1217
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 4: so hard. And I still love Ben and Jerry's Yes

1218
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 4: me too.

1219
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 6: I was like, they must have paid for that because

1220
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 6: she's like fish food.

1221
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: Oh it's fish food. That's comedy, which is.

1222
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 5: My favorite Ben and Jerry's favorite is. It's just like

1223
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 5: a lot of like possible product things like I was

1224
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 5: like thinking back to her, I was like, did they

1225
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 5: have the.

1226
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 6: Mood ring nail polish? Like was that a thing? Where

1227
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 6: was there like starfish air?

1228
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: I feel like mood ring nail Polish must have existed,

1229
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 3: it sounds like it did. I want to get a

1230
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 3: mood ring again.

1231
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: I definitely had mood ring rings, and do you remember

1232
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: those little It was a watch but it was the

1233
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: size of a ring and you wore it on your finger. Oh,

1234
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 2: but it was like a watch with an alasta what. Yes,

1235
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: I have to get one in mine. The watch ring

1236
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: was also a mood ring, and it had a little

1237
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: alien face on, like the face of the watch, and

1238
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: it would change colors based on absolutely nothing and it

1239
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with my mood. There I said it.

1240
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: But anyway, I loved my watch ring and I have

1241
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: to get another one. Yes, now that their bag.

1242
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: Also, I love the test they do to see if

1243
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 4: he likes her.

1244
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: What is it he like?

1245
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 4: Plays with his hair, stretches and then.

1246
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: Flexes and flexes. Okay. I kept having such a hard

1247
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 2: time with this because I it was not clear to

1248
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: me when he was flexing. Yeah, but the movie telegraphs

1249
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: to like because when he was flex he wasn't actually

1250
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: flexing or I don't know, it just didn't seem obvious

1251
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: that he was flexing.

1252
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 3: I wrote that it's bent and snap for teen boys. Wow,

1253
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 3: in a way in a way.

1254
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 2: The movie does pass the Bechdel test a lot. Yeah.

1255
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 5: I figured, yeah, watching it, I was like, I think

1256
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 5: this checks all the boxes.

1257
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1258
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 2: So, you know, it's mostly Claire and Haley when they're alone.

1259
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: If they're with Aquamarine, the conversation usually turns to Raymond,

1260
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 2: but if it's just Haley and Claire, they talk about

1261
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: their friendship. They talk about Haley moving away, They talk

1262
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 2: about the ocean and the water.

1263
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 3: They talk about a marine and how to hide her

1264
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 3: in various locations.

1265
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,879
Speaker 2: They talk about how ugly some of these consignment storage

1266
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: dresses are, et cetera.

1267
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it passes a lot, and I feel like

1268
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 3: it does speak to like, you know, this movie had

1269
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 3: women at the top of it, and so I would

1270
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 3: imagine that it was like it's possible that there was

1271
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: just way less pushback for actually centering the girls at

1272
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 3: the center of the story, and even that still meant

1273
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: that you had to add like a quote unquote bitchy character,

1274
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: which feels very of the time, and I wonder, I'm

1275
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 3: like that to me, I'm like, I'm going to assume

1276
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: that was a male studio note of like where's the villain?

1277
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,440
Speaker 4: Some shit like that, get Cecilia Banks on the phone.

1278
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 2: Right Worth reiterating that this is an incredibly white cast.

1279
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: It has basically no diversity. I think Cecilia has one

1280
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: friend who is a person of color, but aside from that,

1281
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: but she doesn't speak. She has like one line of

1282
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: dialogue and she's barely ever on screen. So yeah, if

1283
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 2: you blink, you'd miss her because it's such a predominantly

1284
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: white cast otherwise, So that brings us to our nipple

1285
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: scale as far as rating the movie on a scale

1286
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: of zero to five nipples, examining the movie through an

1287
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: intersectional feminist lens. As per our discussion, I appreciate a

1288
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: lot of what this movie does as far as defying

1289
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: tropes about coming of age movies about girlhood and romance.

1290
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 2: And the movie does place so much focus on the

1291
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 2: friendship between Claire and Haley and Aquamarine, and the boy

1292
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: is just sort of like a vehicle to get them

1293
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: to realize how deeply they care about each other. And

1294
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 2: that's interesting. The movie being so white is very glaring,

1295
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: so I'll dock some nippleage off for that. And it's like,

1296
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: you know, obviously there are queer reads of the movie,

1297
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: but the like text. The intention I think of the

1298
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:13,759
Speaker 2: filmmakers is like, yeah, these are all straight people, duh.

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Speaker 2: So I think I'll go like three and a half

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Speaker 2: nipples With all of that in mind, I'll give one

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Speaker 2: nipple to each of the three friends, and my half

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Speaker 2: nipple will go to the movie Gremlins because they have

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Speaker 2: the same rules.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do three and a half as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it is. It is a very white movie

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Speaker 3: that is telegraphic straightness. But I don't know. I think

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Speaker 3: that the baby bisexual in me was was feeling the

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Speaker 3: vibe of this movie. I understand why it is a

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Speaker 3: formative text for many millennials in that sense, but also

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Speaker 3: speaks to how like, you know, when there wasn't any representation,

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Speaker 3: you just had to see it and discover it. In

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Speaker 3: any case, Yeah, I love that this movie is committed

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Speaker 3: for the most part to really centering on this friendship.

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Speaker 3: And I like that it's like a complex friendship too,

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Speaker 3: and that both of these kids don't appear to be

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Speaker 3: especially wealthy. I mean, I don't think I think that

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Speaker 3: they're like maybe lower middle class. It seems like which

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Speaker 3: is just you know, class wise. I don't think something

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Speaker 3: we see very often. I feel like it's usually upper

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Speaker 3: middle class with friend dynamics that are far less complicated

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Speaker 3: and thoughtful. And so yeah, I love Clara and Haley's friendship.

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Speaker 3: It really does break my heart every time when they

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Speaker 3: don't end up together. But yeah, I think it's a

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Speaker 3: lovely movie and it holds up pretty well. And I'll

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Speaker 3: give it three and a half nipples. I will give

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Speaker 3: one to Jojo shout out to her for being on Broadway.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I will give one nipple to Elizabeth Allen. This is

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Speaker 3: her first feature and it's like really a really good

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Speaker 3: first feature that and she's gone on to have a

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Speaker 3: really successful career, mostly in TV, but she's like directed

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Speaker 3: an episode of fucking Everything. I will give one to

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Speaker 3: the editor Jane Moran because I love seeing women in

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Speaker 3: the editing booth. And I'll give the last half to

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Speaker 3: Alice Hoffman for having a really cool Mermaid idea.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I saw Disney's Little Mermaid and I have

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Speaker 2: never do it better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what about y'all?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree with three and a half. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 5: I'm also gonna be saying three and a half nipple

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Speaker 5: because of Yeah, this is the way it like, it

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Speaker 5: does go against the grain. I feel like of the

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Speaker 5: time too, when so many things were just like this

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Speaker 5: is how it is that nothing was passing the back

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Speaker 5: of the test.

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Speaker 6: Really not a lot of stuff, and.

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Speaker 5: I would appreciate, you know, even just like the trophy

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Speaker 5: black sidekick friend.

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Speaker 3: I love to see nothing nothing.

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Speaker 5: There. So I'm going to give one of those just

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Speaker 5: to split amongst the three, and then one to split

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Speaker 5: amongst the woman production team. Why do you want to

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Speaker 5: Leonard because I was also.

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Speaker 6: Doubting him at the beginning. Yeah, and then the half

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Speaker 6: to the non existent black sidekick friend.

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Speaker 2: Maybe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's that's your witch wish for Aquamarine.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna think Aquamarine's best friend back in the

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Speaker 2: ocean is a black mermaid.

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Speaker 6: What is that real?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 6: That the book can a book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, the this is my hypothesis. And so

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Speaker 2: there is a black character. We just don't see her

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Speaker 2: on Scream because the budget. The budget is a budget thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it all right.

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Speaker 4: Well, I I'm not gonna lie. I was leaning three

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Speaker 4: and a half, but since everyone did three and a half,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be controversial. I'm gonna go just for three

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Speaker 4: because there were some issues I had yet zero people

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Speaker 4: of color. I didn't love the child bride elements. You know,

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Speaker 4: there were parts where it felt very like male gayzy

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Speaker 4: when it did need to be. And then I have

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Speaker 4: to say it really bothers me when there is like

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Speaker 4: the caddye mean girl for no reason, like Cecilia Minks.

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Speaker 4: I'm rooting for you to get another.

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Speaker 3: Role that is not the villain.

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Speaker 4: So I will give it three nipples, and one of

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Speaker 4: them will go to the power of female for friendship

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Speaker 4: and to slumber parties and having fun like giggling with

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Speaker 4: your friends at that age. One is going to go

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Speaker 4: to the mom forgetting her flowers and her ten year

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Speaker 4: grant journey single mom works.

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Speaker 6: I think it's one.

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Speaker 4: Job, but we'll say it's too to fit the joke.

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Speaker 4: And then the last nipple I'm going to give to

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say to mermaids everywhere.

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Speaker 3: We exist, to all our mermaid listeners, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful, to our fellow mermaids.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Wow. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us for this lovely discussion.

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Speaker 3: This is such a flash, so fun.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: Tell us where people can listen to your podcast, follow

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Speaker 2: you on social media, plug anything you want to plug.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely follow Players a film industry podcast on Spotify.

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Speaker 5: You can get updates on there and such. We post

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Speaker 5: updates on social media to on my social media so

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Speaker 5: at Amani M. Davis on Instagram and then also through

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Speaker 5: the actually company that dem and I work with, Room

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Speaker 5: nineteen Productions, so you can get updates about the pot

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Speaker 5: on there on that Instagram page as well. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: we we have all kinds of topics about the film industry,

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Speaker 5: breaking in different industry trends, things that we want to

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Speaker 5: like gab about, so check that out.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then for all my Chicago film girlies, non

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Speaker 4: binary folks and film and mermaids, we do Film Girls

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Speaker 4: Brunch here as well. I know Amani does it in

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Speaker 4: La too, so you can follow us.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, come to Film Girls Brunch in La.

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Speaker 4: We have it in Chicago. You can if you follow

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Speaker 4: like Room nineteen you'll get updates on that as well.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, come to one of our Film Girls Brunch

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Speaker 4: meetups too. I'm a filmmaker in Chicago and love connecting

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Speaker 4: with other women in film wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us again. Come back anytime.

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Speaker 3: So I'm having more Mermaids. We love to see them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we still have to cover Mermaids with share

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Speaker 2: and one on a writer and the movie I've never

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Speaker 2: seen it.

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Speaker 3: And there's Splash, and there's the thirteen Year, there's there's

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 6: So much mermaid This is the thing now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're doing We'll come back for all of these.

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