WEBVTT - Episode 404 w/ Erick Sermon 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.120 He is Drinks Chants, motherfucking podcast. Man, he's a legendary 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:18.439 queen's rapper. He ain't agreed. That's your boy in O 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.960 R E. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.680 What up, It's d J E f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.680 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.840 you know what I mean. And the most professional, unprofessional 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.319 podcast and your number one source for drunk drinks Chans 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.800 Mo day is New Year's CST. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.120 It's time for drink Champs. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:45.400 Drink up, mother, would it gonna be hopinges with? This 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.080 is your boy in O R E. What Up? 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:48.680 It's DJ E f N And this. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:54.000 Is drink Champs. Happy hour makes now. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.560 Now when we talk about this brother right here, we 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.840 talk about icon. We talk about a legend. This is 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.520 has had three or four or five careers. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.640 It was a part of one of the most legendary 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.759 groups of all times. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.520 Classic album after classic album, then he went on for 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.600 his own career, classic after classic. At the classic then 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.800 he can turn off his producer hat and produce the 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.680 ship out of you and had you sounding right on 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.080 the streets. The people are still sampling him and his being. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.920 My checks are crazy to this day to this day. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.720 In case you don't know who we're talking about, we 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:48.920 talking about the one only we was on one of 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.240 the most one of my favorite flights that was legendary, 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.160 like it was rock excuse me, Big Daddy came to 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.040 the left y'ah ruh in front of you. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.120 Me and you Red Man. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.160 Should have had. That was a real. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.559 Version of soul plane like in my opinion, Leo called 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.640 me like, how do you like the plane? 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.080 The plane is the hotel. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.440 That's people was. They thought we was really like on 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.440 something crazy, like what are you on? Everybody can asked me. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.120 I'm like, it's a plane. But again it was big 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.720 though what I'm saying so, but slick Wick was in. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:22.720 The back slick house. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.680 Let's be clear. Slickick bullies us. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:24.800 All. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.120 Yeah, yeah, he came in there and he cleaned. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.560 His bed like like a foul, like like like. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.040 You in jail, like you walk in jail. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.120 You're like this man, Peter, And nobody said no, this 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:35.200 sick Everybody, like. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.680 I told you, he's from London, which is also raalty. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.799 So his eyes from the beginning, we all the crumbs 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:52.840 ship here, He's like crumbs. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.359 So the talking was minimum. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.400 It was worse when he was younger, like no type 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.720 of vision, like not looking whatever. Because again, the coolest 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.080 nigga you ever. You know, Mitch Slipper one of my 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.840 favorite albums, know what I'm saying when you listen to 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.560 the records like that. But Rick's mentality was like that, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.080 He's way friendlier now but then not really packed the weapon. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.680 Stories about Slipper around. Yeah, did you see him now? 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.240 He's like cool, calm. I feel like he always has 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.079 a cane in his hand. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.600 He's just He's just one of those. But you're right, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.520 you see, he had the whole back of the the 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:28.360 whole back of the plane. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:34.480 He did share what But Redman was on the camera. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.080 I'm sitting back and I'm looking at these pictures and 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.600 I'm like, these shits are really really dope. You think 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.520 from the experience of us being in front of the 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.480 camera's easy for us to turn over and flip like that. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.960 Yeah, maybe I think that. Reggie Listen, when I first 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.560 met him, When I first met him, he was always 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.360 a person where remember being an apartment with sunglasses on 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.320 when I first when Redmen first came here in a 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:03.800 yellow suit, yellowed two pieces, some shades Okay, I'm like, yo, 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.640 the two piece ill like too, like the the you know, 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.680 the jacket with the pants but yellow though you know, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.000 the Iller ship though crazy. But Ressie was always always 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.080 like a person that even now with technology, whatever the 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.440 new ship came out, whatever new technology game, whatever he 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.680 had it, he bought his mind whatever he was so 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.600 whatever he put his mind to, he can do it. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.200 So I wasn't even shocked about him doing cameras and 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.520 doing his own videos whatever like that. He always had 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.280 the vision to do whatever, you know what I'm saying, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.200 So I wasn't shocked by it, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.320 And that's the part that's really ill though to the 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.279 sky driving part, the sky diving which which we asked 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.640 him and he says, like the freedom that he gets, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.920 which is crazy because is if you know, to jump 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.760 out the plane because he started with the people where 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.760 they hold now it's just him rocket the freedom that 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.400 he got to do that because Dougie Fresh asked him 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.120 like is it a fifty to fifty chance? You know 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.640 what I'm saying, Like you know, are you gonna make it? 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.080 You know what I'm saying. But you see, he sees 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:08.520 soulas and that whole ship. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.440 The older red man gets kind of whiter. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.480 He's becomes become a white guy. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.200 You're crazy about that, yo, But you know what, when 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.440 you speak to him, his mind is just another thing 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.360 that whatever he found, he found something else, you know 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:26.800 what I'm saying. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.000 Like I said, I don't. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.200 Know what type of piece that he got, but he 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.120 found it, right, So I you know, people look for that. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.120 But let's talk about why we was all on that 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:41.719 plane anyway. Uh, Leo kom Yes, who has been a. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.640 Great I was a great interview with Leo Cohmen, Oh. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.200 That's my man. But he's been a great guy to me. Right, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.760 But I want to address something, you. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:51.320 Know, Dame Dash. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:52.960 I don't want to say it's picking on him. Dame 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.400 Dash has an issue with right. Right. I chose not 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.400 to bring up Dame Dash in a Leo interview because 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.719 I wanted to keep it possible, right, But you know, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.240 it's something you can't avoid. Like, I don't look at 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.120 Leo as a coach of not me personal personally. He's 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.760 he's personally came to me and made me a better artist. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.719 He told me I had a little bit more money, 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.440 and he said, if you stick with me, I'm going 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:20.320 to give you a career. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.360 So I stuck with Leo, and I got a career. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:25.000 I had a career. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.920 But Dame famously calls him a coach of WoT do 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.160 you think he's is that such thing? 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.880 Can you be that when you off the culture? 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.560 One thing that I know about Leo Cohen is the 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.200 fact that in the beginning, don't think. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:37.680 That he managed run. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.839 He managed Russian management, but he managed running him. See 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:47.680 first happened. So when rush management there, he's there from 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.159 the beginning. That's the part. It's kind of get confusing 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.760 when you hear it. See, Dame had a different experience 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.320 with him, right, because Dame is powerful. Don't think a 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.200 rocketfeller didn't really need them except for distribution. Right, So 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.719 when when start taking credit, that's when I think it 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.919 got ugly. But I'm like, you know, to Leo Kellen, 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.359 he helped me. You know again, he was the person 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.440 that showed me what it was and and but again 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:17.000 you can't take the hip hop from him. I watched him. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:22.000 I watched him be like that shit swack. That's not 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:26.640 that's not fly, it's not dope like to like not 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:31.040 you how you know this ship? So around Russell. That's 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.480 why Russell was the man in the back. Leo was 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.200 the up front. You can't be the up front of 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.080 you on those ship. But for him to be like 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.520 that ship is horrible. I don't know what that shit is. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.880 Get that bull shit out of it. And that's how 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.280 he how he was no hesitation, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.680 So we did coss Before I had coss Over, I 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:55.320 had the last the fourth album done right Gold think 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.680 I had did with it Dad. It was number one 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.080 the whole nine. So we had the song on the 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.000 fourth album called don't play Me play the next Man, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.120 trying to do a course over part I mean go 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:07.160 to ther part two. Him and Russell. If he dropped 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:13.800 that record, your career was sobo. I never so imagine this. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.720 So I'm like me and parais Is amped on the record. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:22.720 So when I was in La, when I got the 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.360 tip of Silvers cassette tape, you hear b will tell 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.920 the story because again when I got the tape, I 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.960 bring the cassette, I said, Cube, I got some shit 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.720 called type of Sills. I want you to listened to it. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.079 So I brung it to Cube, by some but another 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.440 story though. But Roger Trautman had just came out, so 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:43.960 I took his new album and I went through it wow, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:49.000 and then I heard whatever you want. I heard it, so. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.079 I went home and sampled it. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:55.280 So then I went back to them and they said 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:56.040 that's the one. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.960 And then the night after that. 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.720 Wesed in the studio all of us and I played 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.280 the head Banger beat and that's when Reggie was like negros. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.520 We started wilding out. I started doing the honest ship 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.439 you know. That wasn't really our style with the with 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.040 the you know behind it that was that was us. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.400 But again it felt like the record. I made the 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.760 record for Cube. I never got it to him. Head 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.080 bang yes, head bang ye m hm. That would have 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:30.559 been after America's most wanting yes right because because what happened, No, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:31.480 you can, because. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.520 What happened was there. I could hear them. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.960 No, no, no, the hook wasn't. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.199 Just the beat was loud, like if it sounds like 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.719 some Lynch exactly Lynch mob also too, with keep hang 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.640 shotting them, I felt like, you know, something like loud 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:51.040 with the birds the day, so it was loud. So 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.520 I made that for him. I never got it to him. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.439 So the last two songs, Course Over and Headbang was 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.720 the last two songs that was made on that, Course 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.960 on on that, But it's never personal. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.040 Yeah, that's crazy. I'm bouncing around a little bit. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:07.000 You go ahead. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:08.640 Did you ever get caught up in the East Coast 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.319 West Coast? Because I remember listening to our record with 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.280 you and Too Short? Remember too Short actually saying that? 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.160 He says, No, that's coach West Coast stuff to the 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.200 East Coast, West Coast stuff. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:20.280 Have you ever got caught in him? 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.200 And I know, I'll tell you what. Yeah, your Puerto 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:29.200 Ricans that came out of fixedling. Sometimes you nigga niggas 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.880 porty vecan like, Yo, what's up? 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:32.240 Nigga? 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:42.240 NI say hold on, nigga, the too Short he wrung 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.080 it to me, like, yo, you know why this is 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:44.560 going on? 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.560 Me and you're the only one that's doing this. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.800 I didn't even peep that while the world was was 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.680 going what they was doing, Me and Short was just 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.760 friends because we're in a landa so weren't you know 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:55.240 what I'm saying. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.640 We in Georgia, New York guys, right. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:10:59.439 West coast. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.960 We just enjoying Georgia. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.360 Not realizing what's going on with that, you know, I mean, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.559 we know, but we ain't tripping on that because we 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:08.480 another whole place. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.160 I remember at one point death Jam would not allow 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.680 us to wear white shirts. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.120 No, no, no, to tell them. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.000 Because I think that was like trying to be neutral. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.760 That's that's how in l A l A and l 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.920 A you were knowing that they're like, yo, don't wear 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:25.439 white shirts. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.199 That's what the East Coast and they was looking for you. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:28.040 You know that. 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:38.240 Okay, Yeah, I'm saying I'm a bad You got to 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.000 know what it's talking about. Reggae Tony and that that 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.360 type of beat. That's the only time he let nigga 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:44.760 know he was. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:58.280 You know, the first prime to the industry was Jose 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.679 Luis gotcha, I don't know, but l A l A 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.280 if you ever heard it, andbody the top was repend. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.679 The Puerto Rican people off time. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.520 Because you know they you know, I get inducted into 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.559 the Latin Heritage Month every every they mentioned me, you 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:15.120 know what I mean? 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.520 But yeah, no, but that for real, that people got 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.439 to look at that. Nobody did what you did. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:22.880 Yeah, I saw reggae thing early. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.680 I seen I was in Puerto Rico and I've seen 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:31.840 you know, no, I saw no. I saw a female 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:37.000 dancing to it, and I thought of a Spanish reggae. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.600 I was like, holy shit, because I didn't really understand. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.960 I was like, and it came on after boom. I 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.800 mean it was emulating reggae. It was everybody to reggae. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.560 And I came back home and I was like, yo 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.000 the DJ enough DJ Camillo, and I was like, yoah, yeah, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.240 you're playing the Spanish reggae. And they looked at me 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.160 like what the fuck is you talking about? 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:55.360 And I was like, all right, cool. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.040 It was like I was like boom, boom, and then 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.560 it was Dago had the record. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.839 It was I don't even know. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.720 I was like, oh, that's just sound like Spanish biggies 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.880 walls and I was like spins. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:11.720 And that's how the DJs. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.439 The DJs wouldn't with it because God bless at this time, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.120 they would say, we can only play that at hick parties. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:21.880 I don't know if you'll know what means. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.559 Of course, it's kind of like a derogatory Puerto Rican Yeah, 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.720 calling him Germans to like when people says almost work. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:30.080 Is worse Quean. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.200 Yeah, but so that's how and you know then linked 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.920 with Dago, linked with Daddy Yankee and don't. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.280 Want to get that out there yet you didn't know 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.760 it was Latin know, yes, nobody. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.480 So how did you get Marvin gated clear? 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.920 That said let's let's stop because you be at crime 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:54.520 and all the behind the post doors. He'd being fucking listen, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.040 wanted to drink the pop. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.360 Keep it real food. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.880 What do you vodka or Japanese whiskey? 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.480 I don't know by Japanese whisk by vodka though, so 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.240 you want me to go vodka? Yeah, okay, vodka with limit, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.360 going vodka the limit? Okay, ask the question, go ahead. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.960 How did you get Marvin Gaye to clear the sample? 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.760 Because Wuma has it is if you get Marvin Gaye's 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.240 estate or to clear a sample, then you can't curse 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:27.840 on the record. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:38.120 Hmmm, yes, again I gotta say, but no name every time. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:39.760 I can't help he did it though, you know what, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.040 I'm sorry when Bnard stole the record, it was already 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.000 too late. It was already to radio okay and clear channel. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.040 Oh okay, okay, yeah, so the record was already going okay, 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.080 so they wasn't going to stop it because it was 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:51.400 a hit. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:52.760 I was number one in Miami. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.760 You know when when that spring break the May twenty eight, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:15:00.840 I couldn't get down whatever that main street was Collin Collins, 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.360 Tyson Beffett came and got me. I was on the school. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.960 Almost killed myself, the fucking I couldn't get down there, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.320 not knowing I was number one to when whatever touched. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.680 But when the record was already going and it was 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.120 number one in Florida, it was too late. He's up 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:24.200 too fast. So when we called the state, they was like, okay, 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.000 they could stick you up, just place. Stuck me up too, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:32.080 but getting another story with niggas sixty thousand dollars to react. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.160 That stuck me up like big time dame too. They 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:35.520 got me. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:41.360 But but Marvin Gaye as state, I met White, the wife, 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.400 jan And and Eric. 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.240 B had something to do with it. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:46.760 Wow. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.920 Eric had short arms ship gage lord. Yeah. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:51.280 Wow. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.040 He made fifty thousand dollars up of that too. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.080 Oh wow, this is. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.120 Crazy right, I'm like, whatever we got to do with 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:01.000 this at the lawyer anyway, I gave it one fifty 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.560 I paid, but I knew that that was gonna get 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.040 me that four million dollars from Clive Davis. So no 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.560 matter what I knew, if I played it, and the 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.720 thing about it was so crazy, it was already already hot. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:20.200 We had so Jimmy I Bean had that movie. Yeah, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.800 it was where that can happen. That's what Daddy DeVito 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.440 and Lawrence. So we had to wait thirty five, thirty 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.360 days or forty days for that to get for them 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.200 to implement that whatever could, for Clive to sign me. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.520 So we had to wait. But it's again, you know, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.040 it's cool. But at the end of the day we paid. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.480 You knew it was a certain investment on your end. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:38.640 You're like, I'm gonna get it back. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.640 Yes, because again, but but nod had told Tim Matola 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.720 that yo ever was getting off of two million dollars. Wow. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.160 So once we told that to Clive, Clive was like, Okay, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.560 I get four million dollars. And then Clive said, I'm 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:56.840 gonna give you fifty to. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.480 Fifty, So not only four million dollars, but we're gonna 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:00.600 go I'm. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.720 The only one straight partnership with that partnership, not hy cleft, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.080 not busting, not nothing. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.320 Me that's that doesn't happen. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.159 Now your levee no to me because again he does 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.080 he again they found out though I don't know why, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.960 you know, in the day you like me like, I 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.560 don't know why you're doing that though, but you know, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:22.399 you know. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.080 We got to go back to that that's going around. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.200 I'm saying like yo, because I'm like, why you you 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.320 know what I'm saying that, I don't understand what's making 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:40.720 me special? But well, like I didn't know its later 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:50.600 on when you hold up nigga, but that was that 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.920 was a label deal, right, or imprint deal or just 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.480 it wasn't that it wasn't my regular production. Like with 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.399 that production, it wasn't. That wasn't he gave me fifty 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:04.040 That means when he made records sold, I made money. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.400 But for you as an artist, yes, oh, it wasn't 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:07.240 even for you to know. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.240 This was when I got music solo right, Okay, okay, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.480 it's still ezy, but no, still got me money for 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.600 e p M D. And I knew I wasn't making 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.280 an EPM D album. I just got a budget for 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:18.640 that too. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:20.879 This nigga was I don't know. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:27.720 Why, but if you had a. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.920 Chance to pick one, whether it being a solo artist, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.879 in the group or just being a producer. Which one 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:37.640 would you pick. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:39.560 A beat maker your producer. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.560 Really the reason why is because if you know, E 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.720 p m D like I did what we had to 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.000 do in the beginning, because again, the first tour was 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.159 the runs House Tour, epm D Public going to be 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.080 and Frist, Prince and uh and you know that that 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:58.920 was the four of us, and then we left that toward. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:05.399 The next tour was LJ. Slick Rick came epm D Legends. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.240 After that was mc hammer, mc hammer, epm dB in 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.480 the Ice. After that, ninety two came, and then the 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.200 Hit Squad came. So now we don't need nobody because 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:19.600 Dosa is one Reggie e pm D K solo, So 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.399 now we're doing that. So that came with the with 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.200 the whole ship, you got to tour, but that wasn't 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.680 my thing, like the road wasn't really you know, something 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.280 I like to do. That's why when you see me 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.040 now my whole solo career, I ain't tour like I didn't. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.639 I made money off the production production, you know what 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.680 I'm saying. So even now EPMD, we probably did like 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.360 you know, ten shows a year, eleven shows a year. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.600 I'm the only one in one of my my colleagues 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.720 who we don't do like you got Caine to do ninety, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.880 Dougie do two hundred and something, God rest of death. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.560 Bismal Key was one eighty. And this money to be 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.159 made there too. But before I leave my sofa, no 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.280 my college, I want. I need thirty down dollars. So 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.719 if you can do that, then I might even make 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.119 a suggestion to go do it, you know, if if 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:10.280 I if you want. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:10.800 Me to go do that. 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.480 But other than that, though, I'm not coming off my sofa. 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.960 Because again it's not beneficial to me because I'm already 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:17.680 making this money. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.720 There's a lot of words tear on the body too 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:20.400 after a while. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:21.919 See what met the man said when he was on here, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.680 when he said about overseas, he said whatever like that. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:26.919 Yeah, that's how I felt too. 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.080 It's not easy. I can't say this artist's name. But 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.960 I went to his show and he killed the stage 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.600 right as soon as he walked off the stage, like 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.960 he put on this puss face, like and I count 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.640 a face like you know one of them? 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.680 Oh like, and I can. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.040 Tell like he had he had bills to pay, like 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.800 he didn't want he didn't want to perform. 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.720 It's not for everybody. That's the majority, though it's not. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.840 You think it's the majority that's the majority. The majority. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.639 Aw not everybody's a showmanship. Like I said, came like it. No, no, no, no, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:06.080 listen not. You know the big names right, these niggas 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.240 is living. You gotta understand, even at the minimum, if 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.800 you make ten thousand dollars a night, you do one 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.159 hundred shows a million dollars. I don't know a doctor, 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.840 a lawyer, no, no surgeent, nobody. So don't you ever 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.680 look at one of us and be like, yo, numbers 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:21.080 don't lie. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:21.840 You don't. 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.600 Don't ever look at one of them and be like, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.880 I wonder what they're doing now, No, nigga, at the minimum, 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:29.840 I'm only giving the minimum of what they make. It 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.440 ten thousands a night. If they're doing eighty shows, eighty 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.800 is eight hundred grand. So this is how you look 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.160 at Caine, Rock, Cam Dougie. Those people are the ones 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.280 that you know that you see all the time everywhere, 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:47.080 who's averaging eighty two hundred shows a year the rock. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.280 Basis, I don't know they got a tour right now? 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.600 Piece of easy rock. Oh now that that nineties tour 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:01.359 MC breathe that whole Excuse me that it makes bread. 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:02.960 I don't know what they make it. But that's why 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.359 every year is pandemonium. So don't look at the when 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:08.919 people be like, I wonder what they do now they 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.240 get that judge or are you judging that? And I 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.520 got certain people niggas better not even look on this side. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.600 I was at bottom and selling over seventy million records. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:21.320 That means. 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.320 Whatever albums that was out, I was on them, right, 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.119 so you can. And then my publishing, I own it. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.840 That's why I tell the story about too about young kids, 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.520 about having the publishing, that how important it is to 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.720 have it. That's why all our argument, with all those acts, 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:37.800 we gotta name them. That that was in here fighting. 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:38.760 You know what I'm saying. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:44.040 Just for metro booming and the weekend sampling you a 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.480 customer for I don't want to know overg and I 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.160 get four percent in that record, right, I bring home 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.399 two hundred and forty thousand dollars every four months. That's 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.639 passive incomfort one, not from the whole only four percent. 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.320 I'most about one record, it right, And there's no cappening. This, 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.320 This is how this ship works. So so when people 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.199 look at certain things and see people out there, especially 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.280 people with the publishing that ship can feature, you'll. 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:11.920 Know when it's gonna come. 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.240 But every time I look around, But no, friend, Big Tank, 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.520 he's the one that do all the picty ship power. 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.680 You know, you know, being up the whole nine ship, 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:24.119 stay on there, you know you It just comes when you, 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.480 when you're able to have it. And I sput it 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:31.359 with parish wow wow because the EP and d stuff. 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.520 Yeah yeah, is there a reason why you decided when 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.280 he said producer, you said beat maker instead of going along. 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:42.719 I am not one of them. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.560 Oat maker, don't know what happened. 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.560 And the beat maker right, A producer tells you that 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.119 beat is dope, and that beats not for you. That 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.160 paragraph is dope, but it should go third. That chorus 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.840 is ill, but it does as those paragraphs. Put that 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.480 second verse first, put that one third. I got to 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.919 create the record. A producer creates the record for the artists. 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.200 So I never claimed to be the best beat maker. 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.520 I know how to make a record. So I'm not 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.320 in that category of niggas saying yo, the nigga I 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:18.280 ain't never claimed to be that. 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:19.800 I know how to make a song. 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:23.320 Though, right, Christy Jones a't gonna say he's a beat maker, right. 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.400 I don't know where that came from. I must sow 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:32.840 must to happen. You did something, blaze, you said, just blaze. Okay, 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:37.360 this is for React. That beat went around had to beat. 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:40.639 This is a rumor I was supposed to be on React. 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.919 Is that a rum yes, not a room, that's yo. 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.240 So because it fit you. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.960 What happened was we couldn't I really couldn't find nobody 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.600 to be able to understand where I was coming from. 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.960 Brether Meth had to be. But since since that that 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.080 lady was saying the sample, what do you say on 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.680 top of that? So my ship was like whatever she 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.040 said that, I'm that. So that's what what made it 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.080 able to be a record, because I found a way 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:16.439 to use it. They all had to be. But again, Reggie, 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:20.240 I took an old verse of Reggie's like I kind 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.560 of like, you know, like devoted it gosh. And then 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.680 I played it for the label and I said, Reggie, 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:27.600 they like it whatever, So he did it over. 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:32.639 Wow, But but he wasn't there. I just made ith do. 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.120 We ever find out what she was saying. 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:36.920 Somebody was saying that she was talking about, you know, 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.200 the rumors like she was talking about suicide, and you 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:40.000 know that's the rumors. 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:41.760 You know people they were trying to kill me out there. 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:47.800 So we never found out officially what she said. 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.040 Somebody, one of the somebody said something that she said. 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:52.639 But that was one of the main things. She was 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.080 talking about, suicide. 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:55.760 Because when you perform it, do you let the crowd 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:56.360 say that work? 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.320 Okay, they do that too, They do the whatever said 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.680 they do again at the end of the day. It 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.439 was so crazy because me having Marvin Gaye and then 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.680 they then again You're looking like, okay, well damn, I'm 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.399 this record is too big. I can't come behind that. 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:11.879 But I was able to come right behind it with that. 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.680 That's the part too. Had his hands on me like, 0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.080 oh shit, you give me another career, you know. So 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.120 at the end of the day, so you know, again, 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.359 I think just blazed two because they was hot, right, 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.240 and I heard the rumors that that they was mad 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.320 that he gave me the beat. They was upset, Wow, 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.479 because they give records away, you the beat. They can 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.199 all say that. But you don't know if it's going 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:37.680 to be a hit because you had the record. 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:38.800 This happened to hit. 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:42.520 And now you're saying, okay, what sixty thousand that was 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:44.920 just places. That's the most money he ever got for 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.880 a record in his life. 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:46.720 Wow. 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:48.480 And did he stay there? 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:55.520 No, that's he never got that no more, never again. Okay, gee, Louise, geez. 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.720 Did you did going back to the beginning of EPMD, 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.680 did you ever see yourself as a so orders from bag? 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.080 Then nah, this is listen. Man. 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:04.960 Parish was the one that. 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.320 Had experience because his brother was in the business, and 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.920 Paris was in a cool called the Rock Squad. He 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.359 just didn't rhyme. He was a DJ. But when he 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.000 heard when I went to his neighborhood, moved my grandmother, 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.040 I used, I was already had two rhymes. I had 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.960 the bunad Get story and I had Jane. So I 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.800 used to spit those for his friends and him. So 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.200 he was like, you know, one day we're gonna go 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.919 to the studio. So I'm like, this can't be happening. 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:36.080 You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, you don't kid, 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.399 you don't know. So he went to college because he 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:43.600 played football, So we skipped eighty five. Eighty six we 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:45.439 kind of went in, but we skipped that too. Then 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.720 eighty seven we went in and made the first demo 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.399 and that's when November of eighty seven, it's my Thing 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:56.040 and your customer came out. Now, you guys wasn't on 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.920 depth jam then, No, we was on teating back records 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.480 are independent sleep Yeah, first record, so team Bank Records, 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.679 right man Tron. That was the group that they had. 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:08.879 And they had Joyce Simms, a lady that was you 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.560 know you oh my ole, they really do. You had 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.879 that the press was kind of crazy. And then they 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.639 signed Nicer Smooth and then they had Craig Matt with 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.480 the zoom zoom zoom. So again we they was moving, 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.920 you know. But but I walked in the in the 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.760 in the spot one day, I saw a new computers, 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:34.480 a new desks, new cars outside, and we broke figure. 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.080 I signed for fifteen hundred dollars. That means seven hundred 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:42.120 feet dollars for Paris, seven hundred dollars for me. But 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.440 I was I was a minor. So when Russell went 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.840 in for the audit, he was able to get it. 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.520 So and then because they was in an illegal contract 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.160 with you that too, and they were just robbing you know, 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.200 this wasn't right. So Russell came with it was like 0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.360 one point six million dollars and after that was on 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:03.280 definitely by the whole third album is I'm mad Man 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.040 slaughter fucking you know the old type. 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.560 Of you know this, you know, angry titles. 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.160 You know, when you signed the Depth cham because of 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.240 what was going on with Seambag, you. 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.720 Know, and the rumor was like, which I didn't really 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.280 know to so recently the rumor or the rumor was like, 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.320 uh that you thought it was Parish at first because 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:23.960 he had the cars and he had the houses and 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.800 you didn't. Oh that's just as far as the e PMD. 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.600 How it got sour. Yeah, that was everybody. 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.160 I mean we watched it and everybody was saying, you know, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:37.440 the neighborhood talking. Same with the EPMD Rock and Beef. 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.720 It's the neighborhood that talks, you know what I'm saying. 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.160 So at the end of the day, again, I wasn't 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.120 on my business, you know, That's what it boils down to. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:53.160 You know, you I did think that that count Bow 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.480 and Bert had all of us everybody so but the 0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:00.440 end of the day, bird kind of helped me to right, 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.160 you know, after a while, like when I started seeing things, 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:04.960 I started learning ship too. But again, at the end 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.280 of the day, when you're young or you're thinking, is 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.080 the negative part, like you know, it's somebody getting me, 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:11.320 you know what I'm saying. 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.080 So why do you think that's mentality? Like I got 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.840 drunk my first contract too. I got I think five 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.520 grand when the Avera Rex and the cowboy hat and 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.080 gor text books, I thought I was rich, so I was. 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:25.160 I went to the tunnel. 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:31.760 You couldn't tell me ship five grand magic? But but 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:33.920 why do you think And I'm gonna tell you something. 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.280 I knew my contract was shipped, right, but I was. 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.200 I was under the impression. I was like, yo, let 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.080 me just get into this game and I'm gonna make 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:48.960 it work. When when do that generation stop and say 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.680 fuck that. I'm gonna get a good contract first, not 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.280 get into this bad ship. 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:55.960 Because I listened to your. 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:57.240 Story and. 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.920 That was research and research and researching, and it was 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.760 like you learned the business. After that you kind of 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.520 got and I'm like, damn, that's that's fucking my story. 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.440 Like I had to learn publishing after I sold it, 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:12.880 You know what I mean. I had to learn about 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.320 points after I gave it away. 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:15.880 That everybody, you know what I mean. 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.880 What I'm saying is like your experience, from your experience. 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.360 I shouldn't have went through it. From my experience, the 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:23.520 next person shouldn't google. 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.520 When do we stop this ship? When do we tell 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.600 these artists that what they were? 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.200 This is what Kiss was just talking about the last interview. 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.680 I just heard him saying. He's saying that again, is 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:39.160 he said? Him signing the contract? These days it's like 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.600 for him Robin the bank. You know what I mean, 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.080 it's you know, it's just a stupid to do. At 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.680 the end of the day, you have to learn that 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.400 all of us who went through it and saw what 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.480 it was, why would you do that? But the fame 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.520 and that checked they dingle in front of you for 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.320 that to be sixty deals. It's hard for a kid 0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.520 to be like what you say about points and all 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:02.440 that type of stuff that you know. 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.440 They which is coated all that stuff is complicing publishing. 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.200 They should learn they should teach a course before you 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:08.680 get to. 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.920 The merchandising all of that, like they control their merchandise. 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.640 That's the whole thing there too, which is crazy. The 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.720 major r is that you know about you haven't seen 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.400 a T shirt or nothing that they shows. They don't 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.320 own that part. And that's also all that money from 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:28.160 that three sixty is gone, So that's part was kind 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.120 of crazy for you to be at your own show 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.720 and your own concert and you got no merchandise. 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:33.360 Even owning your likeness. 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.360 That's what it's like right right then, and then. 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.920 In the language saying in perpetuity throughout the universe, like 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:41.520 these things are what's the crazy city? 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.960 It's so fucked up right now that they can they 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.040 can take your image and put you in a video 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:48.080 game that you don't even owe. 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:49.600 Yeah, that was that's like. 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.200 Yeah yeah, like like at least when we did Depth 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.520 Jam Fight for the New York we had to actually 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:55.080 go in there. 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:57.880 Yeah, yeah, you're. 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:01.959 So right now if you was just signed a three 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:06.480 sixty deal, your label can put you in Mortal Kombat 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.880 right seven and just had you there and you know what, 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:11.920 you had a good move on that. 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.040 Oh yeah I had it call Yeah it was dead 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:20.880 all nor yeah life Eric, I do it. 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.120 You know, the fucking the move was nice. I don't 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.440 know who he got though, but somebody the ship was crazy. 0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.960 If there's anything probably positive of this generation of artists, 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.240 they do have more power to dictate the type of 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.280 deals because they're self sufficient in what they're doing, at 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.360 least on yes, creating their own. 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.200 Doing that revenue. If they're doing that there, if they're 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:42.480 doing that. 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.920 But the majority of them too, see all that money 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.640 they generated from from them shows, right, that's why they 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.480 so rich. Either they got they got the two million 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.160 dollars for the three sixty, but the shows that you 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:55.680 see they. 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:56.640 Torn like crazy. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.160 They out there in the arenas like early all is 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.160 the reasons all of them is in out there, you 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.120 know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know how many. 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.600 He's not a whole bunch, but they but they on them, right, 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.239 But they they that money that you see they got 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.000 is real. But I always tell them, I'm not hating 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:18.120 on you. Nobody's coming to watch you in the future. 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:18.600 Right. 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.840 And the scary part they don't understand that when they 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.319 hear it, that means that you see how we can 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.120 rock or the people from the seventies and sixties make 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.600 Jack's one hundred and thirty six years old. This is still. 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:31.640 You know. 0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.400 You can perform the four hundred and forty million dollars 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.719 when you step on the on that stage for that 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.520 year that tour, meaning that he made records, that's going 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.880 to always be able to people for this show up. 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.560 So when when this error has to go to work, 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:53.200 how we can go to work if you want to 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:54.399 go to work and you can go get some money 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.960 whatever they can because when I when I knew when 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.440 they or get forty and they're gonna be talking about 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.840 dick fuck suck pus. See whatever, it. 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.880 Won't match, right, it won't match. No longevity in that right, 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:08.799 it won't. 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.960 Match is no longer you won't. So I want to 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.719 figure out, how are you going to be able to 0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.680 earn money? Nigga? If you didn't save or have some 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.120 type of situation, you won't be able to do what we. 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.800 Do past virality, past going viral. 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.799 Right, this is this quote, and this is what I'm 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.399 saying is so fucking letho, and I wish they could 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:32.920 hear this, like the fact that when that time comes, right, 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.279 are you going to You're not going to be able 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:35.759 to work? 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:42.719 Right, It's real. You remember what I always say, like 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.359 That's why I love Europe because like you just said, 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.600 there's a time, well, you just can't book a show 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.000 in America, right, Europe don't get to see you like that. 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.960 Europe That's kind of saved my life. You know what 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:57.279 I'm saying. 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.960 I always say, I always say dudef Germany, he always 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.800 last at me. But I was frequenting dudes in Germany. 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.239 I was like, fuck that they paying my quote. I'm 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.520 going That's how I learned about miles and all that. 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.279 I started sucking with the plane tickets because you can't 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.160 be paying that first cast flight and then and they 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.880 get it all in all, if it's all in so 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.880 I would use my points still get that first class 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.840 flight and you put me onto that. 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.279 But Europe, Europe, Europe, you know. 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:33.400 Part Russia at times, Japan they held me down, They 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.600 helped me down where I didn't have to like take 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:36.480 these little. 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:37.879 Because you know that's how they start doing. You didn't 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:38.920 he go twenty. 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:44.279 Five, You want me at twenty five, and then you're 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.040 just like, yo, how you doing sh Let me let 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:47.680 me go, let me go, grab, let me grab that. 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.680 But Europe hold us down, and it almost feels. 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.200 Like they held this they still holding, They still still 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.439 in Europe, getting ready. I see the resund there, said, 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.759 I just saw it fucking goes underd just alcoholic. 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:01.960 I've seen it right there out there. 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.080 Do you think hip hop lives in Europe more than 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:06.560 it lives in. 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:10.400 The well now it does, even though the new stuff 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.640 did infiltrate. I never thought it was going to infistrate. 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.320 But again, kids, come now, you know whatever, whatever you know, 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.799 let me flash back to you, because you flashed back 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.480 a while ago, but you got a mate back outside. 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:21.799 So I don't know what. 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.320 Year you're talking about. You know what I'm saying, What 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.000 year was that overseas? Because that's a long time. 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.160 That was in the early two thousands, early two thousands. 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.520 This is this is like right before we do, Right 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:35.840 before we did, I was what I called let me, 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.320 I was what I call a hip hop purgatory. Like 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.200 I wasn't dead, but I damn sure it wasn't a lie. 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.840 Well like I was in that tough, tough space. And 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.880 you know, Joe was there with me, you know what 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.840 I mean. I had lunch with Joe yesterday, right and 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:58.239 he said something very interesting to me. You know, we 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.560 always say when we in the studio. This is this 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.640 is our best look, right, it's our best fight. So 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:05.839 you know, we all think like that. I don't give 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.319 a what you say. So Joe looks at me and goes, 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.760 I think I'm making the best music of my life. 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.439 And I somewhat laugh because I'm like, Nigga, you say 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.759 that every year, right, And he says to me, it's 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.800 because I don't have no pressure no more. And I 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:25.680 was like, and it's like, so what he's saying is 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.840 when it's no pressure to me, the record label standing 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:35.160 to me. To me, they are what is that ship 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:36.399 schedule or whatever? 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:37.520 And you just make the music. 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.239 And I was like, holy shit, I had. 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.239 Never looked at it like and it goes against our 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:45.480 argument of indie versus major too, oh, because. 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:48.480 The major puts that pressure to Okay, good lue. 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.520 We always argue the verse. I said, I'm a major guy, 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:58.560 he's an indie guy. But does that take the offer 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.839 of you when you're in the studio and you're making 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.920 records and you're just like, yo, I'm doing it. 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:04.360 I'm doing it because of course. 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.040 It's gonna be eventually lucrative, but right now I'm just 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:09.719 gonna have some fun. I'm to go on. 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.200 I'll tell you what my thing was annoying. It was 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.960 on my album too when I made Brunier. That was 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.439 what my feeling was because I didn't have nobody telling 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.640 me about no radio record or what to make. I'm 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.000 doing it because I'm doing it for the culture and 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.239 people that want to hear hip hop. And when I 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:34.399 did it that way, my colleague showed up. Now I've 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.000 talked about Yo, I wish I made that three hundred record, 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.840 you know, shocking them. Everybody was just snooping them. Was 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:41.920 just down the line saying, yo, did you get Eeric 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:46.880 Summon's album? So usually I would hear what the company 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:50.080 wanted to say. That's how we do. Sometimes they write, 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.120 sometimes we fall into it. It's been a couple of 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.320 times where I made songs. No, I didn't want to 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.640 make them records, but I'll try to depress them to 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:58.200 get it. But they can go out there and do 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.680 the right thing. But again, when it's no pressure at 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.399 this moment, That's why j just talking about that being 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:08.400 independent and being the controlled. Joe doesn't care what happens 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:11.680 because this is what he feels and he ain't worried 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.720 about you know what somebody else is saying if cooland 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.040 Dre says dope or no, say it's dope, and I 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:21.040 think it's dope. I'm coming out with it, you know. 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:24.160 So that's how I think that a lot of us feel. 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:25.000 Who's independent? 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:25.400 Right? 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:25.840 You know? 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.920 Do you think a rapper ever, ever really retires. 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.160 Maybe for not making records, but as far as them 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.000 him doing this and still you know, writing rhymes and 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.719 still now, I think you're going to keep doing it. 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.960 But listen, okay, listen, you keep that to yourself. 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:50.359 Because don't be busting niggas all that, because because because 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.120 I don't feel that way all that niggas that like 0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.360 hip hop and like and like it's like Quincy Jones 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.040 at his age still loves loves this. You know people 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.200 who still loves this. I see Jermaine Dupre and see 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.719 Brian Michael Brian. 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:10.440 Pre socks right now, to take them guide right them 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.920 socks is crazy, you see, don't it's Louie. 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.960 No, I don't care. Those socks look like slave socks. 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.759 Okay, listen, but I went too far. Yeah, but we 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.400 still like doing it as far as the music is 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.520 being made. And then I think that the question you 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.960 ask is real because again, how many people to be 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:28.839 tired and came back? 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.439 Yes, like every now and then you see whole doing 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.759 Carcer pop up or something. He's been retired for twenty 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.880 years now. Uh, Joe said he's retired. He told me 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:39.480 he's in the studio. 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:44.480 You have to again, Yeah, think about one hundred two 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.719 thousand two kills me too, because again you're not doing 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:48.600 no runs, but you want to kill him Mike's album. 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.600 But that's the part that bugs out all of every 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:52.839 other you hear the sound. 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.960 So he did the Flu album. No, it's kind of hard. 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.719 For people to say but that he's still rhymed and 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:05.440 he's still righting the top level. But he comes and 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:10.840 does it, so you can't say you're not rhyming, like 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.920 you know what I'm saying. Like, so, so imagine if 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.040 you got something to say on that, you got something 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.520 to say. I'm just doing being biased because I wanted 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.000 to come out. You know what I'm saying. I want 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:21.879 he got something to say. I think he got something 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:22.520 to say out there. 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.200 I can't help it. Like this was a while ago. 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.680 Well I'm in Carbone and I'm just sitting there and 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:34.160 I just start writing, just start writing. And no one 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.040 could read my handwriting. No one, not my wife, not 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:37.600 even my mom. 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.480 You're not handwriting, bro, I mean though, still you just 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.200 went like this, Yeah, no one could read it, like 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:46.479 put it together. 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.399 The only person who read my mind word I've read 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.959 my rhyme word for words that Kanye West. 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.000 I knew it from him so fast. He was like, 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.040 I looked, I said, holy ship. He spit it out, 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:00.560 said you wrote it? 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:01.640 You was like to write it. 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:03.759 It was creepy. I grab my phones, give me ship. 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:09.560 What are y'all in carbones? Okay, so you're Kanye what's 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:10.320 your relationship? 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:11.359 Yeah? 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:20.000 I mean, man, that's a good sea listen at the 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:24.840 end of the day. I never seen nobody excited about 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.880 music like that. A few people that I've been in 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:32.279 the lab with, you know, that's like feel the same 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.520 way when the beat come on, in the momentum, the 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:39.480 whole non same way. Because again, when I started with him, 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.399 we was doing like a lot of hip hop music. 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:44.560 And there's a room out there saying Eric says that 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.439 the album's coming. I never said nothing like that. I said, 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:51.879 I was working on the album. We was doing hip 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:56.640 hop music. Pink Polo Kanye right. Well, the fact that 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.320 it was the beats and stuff, it was like, you know, 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.160 because again you come to get me. You know what 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:01.640 I'm going to get ready to make You know what 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:02.920 I'm saying. You come to get me, you know what 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:07.640 I'm saying. So, and we had a vibe, we were 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.880 the momentum was going crazy, and we had mad ideas 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.680 the whole down with or whatever. So but as far 0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:19.520 as him and music, he don't need nobody. I just 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:23.640 heard consequence saying too, he don't get people to write 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.520 rhymes because he can't rhyme. Is the fact that maybe 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.600 somebody else might have something that might be illa or 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.840 your mind might not go there. People think that because 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:33.920 the people that are sitting there giving you ideas the 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:35.279 whole not meaning that you need. 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:36.160 To do it. He don't. 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.440 There was records that his man played me from twenty 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.440 thirteen that would shake this whole ground up, you know, 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:48.640 his production, whatever, his rhyme, all that shit his way out. 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.560 So I kind of was bugging out, like what are 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:54.759 we doing here? But I understand now because this is 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.640 what it is. It's the other idea that you might have. 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:02.000 So I did the whole lay thing. They went to Japan. 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.440 I didn't go, and then I went to Italy and 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.680 we was, you know, oh there that vibe was dope too. 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.600 When that's when I walked in, I saw Todd dallas 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:17.080 Sign and him and Dallas Sign had created something else, 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:23.160 you know that that I wasn't doing when I was there. 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:29.319 It wasn't mad, but still was you know, you don't 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.480 play with drums, so the whole time it's like, Yo, 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.480 make sure the drums is crazy whatever like that. Make 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:37.160 sure it's like that, you know. So I was trying 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.239 to do what I could do at that moment. But 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:43.719 in the beginning, we was making you know, you was 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:44.879 part of Vulture's one. 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:46.040 There wasn't. 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.319 I don't know if that was the name, you would 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.080 make it with no name. This is the beginning. This 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.640 is you know, we're just trying to set the vibe 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.600 up and see what we get ready to make. But 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.279 we had something going, you know what I'm saying. But 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.400 I guess and I saw my couple of songs on 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:04.880 the list when I was in Italy, I saw two 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:05.839 of my songs on there. 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.960 When it came to my song was known that But 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:09.520 how did. 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.839 You guys How did that relationship for you to come 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:12.440 and work with him? 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:13.040 How did that start? 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.440 He called, He called, He called for me, He called again, 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.880 eighty eight keys, called Bernard again and told me, yo 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:22.960 that oh Kanye summons you. 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:25.200 Is how he said it. 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:27.160 That's where I heard it like that, So it was 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:27.880 like crumbs. 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:35.680 Well, but again it was the experience that I, you know, 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:40.040 being around again, the antics, all that stuff that people. 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.719 I know that fact that when it came down to 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.120 the music, this motherfucker is what you know of a 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.600 pure genius or he needs no one right, but he 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:52.840 just chooses to do that. You like to collaborate exactly 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.759 the ideas and see what you see where your mind 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:58.960 is at. Same with Dre, though, because yeah, you did 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.960 that too, Because Dre. When I first got to Dre's 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.600 I did and one night he did three records of 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.759 mine this rhyme, one after the other. 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:12.000 I'm like, damn this nigga. 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.880 Dre just did three songs back to back by two 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.319 thirty three in the morning. I come back. The next 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:21.880 two days, he we do another record. But you call Snooping, 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.640 So Snoop is doing the jay. I'm like, damn, this 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.400 is four songs. Now full of your production. Right the 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:31.719 next couple of days, he's doing this song, so I 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:36.200 rhyme on that. Oh my god, nobody's never going to 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:36.759 hear this is. 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.239 It's not you don't think it's a part of this 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:40.799 joint Snoop drap project. 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.359 Not me and his no no, And when I mean, 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:46.520 I can't even tell you the record. 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:50.960 This is is how many records somebody got to kidnap Dre. 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.719 I'm just somebody got to kidnap him and let him 0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.360 hear his own ship. But yo, man, this song was 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.520 exciting and this belongs to the world in the fact 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:04.080 of yours. That the the nw A e pm D thing, 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.440 the Eric Simons Dre thing like it would have been 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.719 something to talk about. It's just like when the ship 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:11.759 went viral without I was there, you know. But this 0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:15.040 record was fantastic. You take us back the epmdnw A thing. 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:16.680 That's what people saw us as. 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:20.920 It was always a comparison, not rivals, though not just 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:25.520 the caparison of of what we did and the music 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.360 they made was almost the same. 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.160 Because they wasn't you was working with y'all were doing 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.600 funk before them the same time, same time. 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:37.160 Yeah, it was because when you go back to easy, 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:40.759 he was already on Parliament and I was doing the same, 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:44.000 doing that too, would doing it right, well exactly, but 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.520 again not knowing though, you know what I'm saying. But 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:48.800 when you go back you can hear the similarities. So 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.400 it's very close. Yeah, well no, you're saying, it's the 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.960 same time, yes, right, So I can't really say who 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.200 had what? You know, I know that in nineteen eighty seven, 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.560 it's my thing. You A customer came out cubas me 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.480 and Cuba was tight. That's why you hear Cuban when 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:07.880 he's speaking about me too. I used to he used to, 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.320 you know, I used to pick him up, take him around. 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:11.160 You know what I'm saying. 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.520 It's crazy because again he's to check in with you. 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.239 He can't you know. Cube came to records. Can't make 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:23.920 it up. Cube came to my house one time, right Atlanta, 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:28.279 New York, New York. Okay, I ain't have no ac 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:29.640 in my new home. I just got it. 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:33.520 He got to Jerry Crow, Jerry Curl, Jerry Kruk, continue 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:35.920 the a C Jerry Carroll take it him there. 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:40.400 He goes to the backyard, jumps in the pool, fully 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:44.719 clothed because he was hot. 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:47.239 He was hot. 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.480 What happens to the to the Jerry curR I'm saying, 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.080 I'm telling you what figureways now, I ain't look at 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.720 all that the fact that he jumped in the pool 0:49:58.840 --> 0:49:59.560 fully clothed. 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.440 Okay, what happens after that? 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.920 Back because we were shooting the sat na's commercial winding? 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:13.040 Oh okay, so you know he just again came over. 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.320 But he must have been hot because you know, you know, 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.600 when you see a pool looking quenching the Knights to 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.399 blue like, it makes you you know what I'm saying, 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.360 when you see it. So that's he jumped in. 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.200 What kind of money is you getting back then you 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.080 had a pool? Yeah? 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:27.000 Your money? 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:38.400 Fact that Jesus nineteen ninety one, that's. 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:41.960 That long money, yo, that's that longevity. You gotta understand. 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:45.040 Though we was we didn't know he was producers, So 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.040 don't forget we making the records. We don't know that 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:50.359 we produce this. So again we already a step aheaded game. 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:53.320 So so whatever royalties that you was getting over the 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:56.680 advanceage you was getting, it was still more than somebody 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:58.279 who was just doing this, you. 0:50:58.280 --> 0:50:58.799 Know what I'm saying. 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.240 So but how did you not know you were producers already? 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.640 I thought that the records you heard, the people made them. 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:06.080 That they were already making their own records. 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:09.280 Everybody who I heard, I thought they made their records. 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:11.480 So me and Paris went in and did what we 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:19.000 thought everybody did not knowing, well, then god, you didn't know. 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:22.000 And then Will Smith was like, stop the show on 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.080 stage one night and said, yo, e pmgs number one 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:27.640 and Billboard, we'll know what Billboard was neither never forget 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.640 we children. He's like number one in Billboard? 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:30.040 What is that? 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:30.680 You know? 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:35.360 Afterwards Leo told me, oh, yeah, this is the Billboard charts. 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:36.319 They're number one. 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:36.840 You know. 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.239 So Will been fucking up the stage for a long time. 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:48.320 Will yeah, said Will was already run DMC talk. But 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:52.680 the most the seller is fresh Prince theys two point 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:56.160 five million records. So they but they just don't understand 0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:00.160 that's it. Will used to be backstage saying, yo, I'm 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.640 about to be famous. It's like you're already famous. He 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:05.759 was talking about being on TV way before it happened. Wow, 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:10.800 this nigga's so strong, you know. Me, I'm about fifty 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.120 pounds bigger now. But I was still two hundred. Then 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:21.640 Nigga picked me up and turned me upside down at eighteen. 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:28.920 At eighteen, all right, I never and I'm like, I'm like, 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.239 first of all, I'm kind of confused, but why are 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:35.920 you doing this? That's what we were doing it because 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:38.840 because we're boy you know. But for some reason that 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.000 must something must have happened. And Nigga just you know whatever, 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.880 like it was nothing snatched me whatever eighteen. 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:47.360 Have you ever been starstruck? 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:55.200 Jewish serving Julius Irvy doctor J I saw him at 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:58.040 the Cleveland All Star Awards back in ninety five or 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.840 whatever like that, and I shook a hand, but nothing was. 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:04.520 I couldn't speak, nothing came out because my whole time, 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:06.640 all I was thinking about when I was a kid 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.759 was was Irving. When I play basketball, when I shoot 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:11.759 up like Irving all the time. My family number is 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.600 number six, my lucky number. To me, it's number six. 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.359 The time when you just did like that, you look 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:21.160 like you you can't play ball at all. Okay, now 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:26.080 that's the myth. You just did that, you know, embarrassed 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:26.440 a little bit. 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.440 My boys in there they're telling you. 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:30.920 That's not. 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.680 Might not any time when you want to shoot. Yeah 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:37.320 at this age. 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.480 Okay, we got the weekend. We got to have a 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:44.280 back game and we have a handball. Nice and handball. 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:46.360 That's awesome, water we can side awesome. 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:47.640 You just selling the truth. 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:48.959 He was hot and ship. 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:52.040 You sid trying to. 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:54.200 Make a handball off national sport in the Olympics. 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.680 I seen your golf outfit, Nigga with the strikes, with 0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:00.719 the fucking I seen you play golf. I don't play golf. 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.440 You have to go off outfit nigga with not the 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:05.000 handball outfit. Okay, we'll make. 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.160 Yeah, I'm trying to bring handball back. Is the time, Thomas, 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:13.000 let's do it. Okay, you want to play him in 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:13.279 the game. 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:16.520 You're not asking enough question because again you're gonna edd 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:17.360 this for two hours. 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:19.120 You don't. 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:23.560 Okay, so what so where's the stuff that I read 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:28.640 the drama that you can drama drama? No, you're not 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.040 acting the whole you know, you ask everything. 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:33.600 We this is this is just the middle of the 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:39.160 we get this is the part. This is everybody. Then 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:40.759 we go off. By the way, I love this, but 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:42.720 you gotta pick a designated drinker for yourself. 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:44.680 Nobody drinks. 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:47.080 Yeah, you can pick Sonny D. 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:47.839 B T right here. 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:48.920 Okay, Sonny, you got it. 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.680 Okay, he got a E P M D shirt on. Hey, Sonny, 0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:53.040 you know what. 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.799 Time is right so so so if you go out 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.239 there drunk right now? Oh yeah, he's gonna go my drunk. 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:09.080 He's already drun two at two pm? Who's driving? Who's 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.439 driving you? Okay, he got it. He got a horse 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:17.440 and carriage because it's two pms. Okay, yeah, so the 0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.440 little guys twelve and thirty, well, he's gonna be fucked up. 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:23.160 The rules is this is the rules. We're gonna give 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:24.719 you to two different things. 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:27.719 I got from Yes, you say you picked one that, 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.040 we're good if you say both or neither. 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.560 Do you know that everybody named mother this show? 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:37.640 You saw I got to argue. Someone on Twitter was mad, You're. 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.160 Like, why nor we gotta keep saying the same start 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:39.920 I said, he's. 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:41.359 Not talking to you, talking to the guests. 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:46.319 Yea, all right, this is a good one. You want 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:47.360 this one, I'll take this. 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:48.480 One now, I'm gonna do it. 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:49.759 Okay, we're a drink at. 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:50.799 I'm get another one. 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:53.960 Get my mama, Juan and uh the. 0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:54.680 Shots to him. 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.440 Make sure you just you can't move in here. 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.879 That's alright ready, du Parker, d MX, how to get. 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:05.600 Another drinks, DMX and if you got any stories. 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:07.279 Yeah yeah, stop And this is the part where we 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:09.880 get into things. You got it? 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:16.400 Oh yeah, you know DMX and Solo, Oh that's right. 0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:18.640 Case his first record is no. 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.439 But as far as them jail together, so I don't 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:25.680 know who had spellbound first. I know Solo was nice 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.600 as fuck, but DMX for him to argue. 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:30.680 Like that for twenty years, to be like, yo, I 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:31.040 did it. 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.319 Like you niggas A're gonna argue like that the whole time. 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.840 But again, either way, we don't know. We don't know 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.279 to prove it. But DMX was he was adam adam 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.680 in about his so too. But Solo was so dope 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:44.799 at DMX. 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:45.719 And he didn't do it. 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:47.919 He need to because X is so nice. He said, 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:49.640 fuck it, I't got to do that ship right whatever, 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:54.520 but anyway, get out me. Dog was being made right 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.400 and they they called me and said, yo, you know 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:02.800 we this in your man, you know, no irv Gotti 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.560 and DMX like you know you want me to take 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.040 it out. I'm like, you gotta do what you gotta do. 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:09.680 That's not what I got. 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:09.880 You know. 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.040 What I'm saying was whatever, So I've. 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.399 Never heard so so when it came out, they still 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:14.880 bleeped it. 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:18.320 Oh that's the bleep. But everyone knew that's what he said. 0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:21.320 Though I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know that case 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.440 the concept, but whatever, whatever, they bleep it. Even though 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.720 I said to them, do what you gotta do, they 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.480 still bleeped it. So that was the DMX little story. 0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:34.640 Oh wow, that's that's you ever met ta? Yeah, I 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:39.040 got picture to be in my rim shot. Man, it's 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:43.760 the New York Tupac Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta. Okay, because everybody 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:45.160 was they always did. 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:48.600 Man, you gotta watch the you gotta watch the Freaknick movies. 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.800 That's a h right, yeah, okay, I'm telling the story 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:53.160 in there. 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:54.440 Okay, okay, okay, that's right. 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:55.520 I'm gonna start now, man. 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.320 Doing what I can see the Magic City tear it 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:04.439 up original Magic City short. 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:09.920 It's another nigga with some bread that yeah, he hold it. Okay, good, 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:10.200 go ahead. 0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:13.800 Next one big pun or big L not or big 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:18.200 pun big L. See that's man, you wild now shot. 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:26.840 See you take a shot because that's sasse. Two different dynamics, 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.360 but both of them lyrically is lyrically nobody never seen 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:32.600 heard before. See mefore that you can't do that. You 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.840 gotta take you gotta get jokes resting piece of both 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:36.080 of them. 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:39.280 And imagine if both of them would have been here today, 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:40.840 And the same with Pocket and next. 0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:46.080 You always always wanted to see what Big Pun would 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:47.560 be like with a Twitter account. 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:50.040 What made you say that? 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:55.520 Or easy, he says Instagram they would have been sucking 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:58.840 up because an extension of personality. 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:01.240 Yeah, Like, I'm gonna be honest. 0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:05.280 The first time I kind of like really really knew 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.840 that Fab was a real funny person was when he 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.560 when he ranked on the ray J When he did that, 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.280 I was like, fabist funny, like you get around Fab. 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:16.320 Like if social media helped Fab in. 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.800 My opinion, like like it helped him because people started 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:21.320 to say, holy shit, he's kind of funny, Like you know, 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:26.000 because he didn't talk much. He didn't talk, office would 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:28.080 speak for him. It wouldn't be him, you know what 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:30.120 I mean. So, but then he didn't have to do 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:32.280 a dope interview or nothing. Fab would just be funny 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:34.720 on on the ground and then everybody, and then people 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:37.040 started to gravitate to us. Yeah, so okay, so we 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.800 want the next one. L L or Kane, Oh. 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:51.000 You got again, you gotta you gotta look at ship man. 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:55.960 This is elo coolja whatever the criteria for lyrically, this 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:57.720 is you gotta take a shot. 0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:59.840 You gotta take a shot. I thought you was gonna 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:06.920 now I was, But the dynamics is, you know, because 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.000 I did have cuts in my eyebrows trying to be 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:09.200 like that. 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:09.760 He can't. 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:13.000 Those are friends and people are this mad sensitive now 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.240 too when you're just like, you know, you say my name, 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:20.880 you know, Oh, niggas be acting like that, they like you. 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:29.600 Niggas you mad at that Primo or Pete Rock? Oh 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:35.320 what's warm with shoes man Dominican in the Columbian Man, 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:41.720 it's twelve thirty. Niggas like, right, we drinking. You gotta 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:45.680 drink that. You gotta drink that Mano Sip Sippy sip. 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:47.720 Who have you worked with more out of those two 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:49.840 who Premore or Pete Rock? 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:51.960 Pete Okay, me and. 1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:55.280 Pete got records from nineteen ninety one and heavy these 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:58.880 basement wow wow peace because his historia wasn't heavy these 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.480 basement because Heavy had the records. This stuff is down 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:03.000 there at Heavy de Scrip. 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:04.439 Rest of Peace. 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:05.920 That's another when we lost it. 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:11.480 Uh, slick Rick or Biggie Smalls, Yeah. 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:12.880 What is it? Yo? 1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:14.920 On purpose? 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:17.040 Biggie Smaller, slick Rick. 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:21.960 It doesn't Yo, just these sister has never been this 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:27.200 hard for nobody. I watched this ship. Just ain't you 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:28.200 put these shows together? 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:29.440 But they making it personally for you. 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.080 That's why they want. 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.520 But you know the storytellers like the biggest small than 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:38.480 one too, boy, where they come from. This nigga want 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:41.560 to junk. Okay, I feel sorry for you. 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:42.280 You finished. 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:44.680 They fucking you up. 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:49.360 Any any stories with Biggie, Yeah, tell us. 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:56.240 I'll tell you what. I gotta go again, Okay, but 1:01:56.440 --> 1:02:01.040 not brung Biggie Smaller to a barber shop right, No, 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:04.280 this is in Brooklyn to meet me. 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:07.240 But I don't remember that was getting. 1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:09.479 Your haircut in Brooklyn. I'm getting all that money. 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:13.680 I'm a Pink Houses nigga Niggs New York. Yeah, okay, 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:17.800 so I didn't never, I never. I don't remember that story. 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:25.320 But but he's adamant and people are confirming the story anyway. 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:29.720 E P. D Breakup. I do Hitting Switches my first single. 1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:34.320 It's directed by Puffy and Hight Williams. First, whatever on 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:39.000 the set is Notrri's b I g the whole entire time, right, 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.880 So when when I go do a set, I see him, 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:45.080 you know, he was like, you know, just following now. 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.400 I don't know why he in the video because Puppy 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:49.800 had the whole mont Vern in my video, you know. 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:55.760 At the time, So Biggie Small's tells Tracy Waples, I 1:02:55.880 --> 1:03:00.320 need to be on Eric Sermmon's album, right, But me wild, 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:02.760 I had my own crew, you know. Then I had 1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:05.640 met this regally talking about this kid named Joe Sinister, 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:08.600 which Je Mester j had and I heard him. So 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.480 that was the only special guests I had on the 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.880 CD at the time. But I never heard in the 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:16.440 tories big you know, I want to I can shoot 1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:18.040 myself now at at the end of the day. But 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:25.400 again that's my story of somebody who was looking at 1:03:25.440 --> 1:03:28.080 me in the way, like, yo, was this nigga? I 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:30.480 needed to be on this nigga's album CD and he 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:32.240 was brought to me, I don't remember. 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:35.120 And that's before he had any records, no record party, bullshit. 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:38.240 Before he was onvd's Blue Funk Nowhere. 1:03:38.840 --> 1:03:41.080 He wasn't No, he didn't do nothing yet. 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:46.240 Wow, but he was signing the Puff but I don't 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:46.440 know that. 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:48.360 I don't know that he was around. 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:51.400 But yeah, he's with him because Puff the video. You said, yes, 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:55.920 but wild of Diamond D. 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:07.840 I gotta go with Diamond because again I played the 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:12.520 first album and the tour bus. We put that every day. 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:14.680 That was dos the FIXT player with the album though too, 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:16.840 but we heard that every day. So I say, like 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:20.680 that first LP, that's the stump Blunts, no Salary, one 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:22.000 track mind album, that whole ship. 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:27.439 Yeah, Leo Cohns and Russell Simmons, they're both same people. 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:30.800 So they're taking a shot for that. You do. 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:32.600 You have to because they're both the same people. 1:04:33.840 --> 1:04:38.120 You're saying that one person saying saying bothoth Oh yeah, okay. 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:41.560 I'm not Maybe that smokers get me because I'm not 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:42.320 even doing anything. 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:48.280 It's just crazy n w A or Wu tang Klan, 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:50.720 God damn. 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:55.560 Yo. 1:04:56.000 --> 1:04:57.640 Are you sure nigga you're gonna be cool? 1:04:58.840 --> 1:04:59.400 Gonna be cool? 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:03.080 Are sipping? Okay? So that he said sane? 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:03.320 Right? 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:04.160 He said both? 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:04.840 Right? 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:08.680 Both because you know man because n W A Man 1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:12.880 was just like you to about Q Wren Dre and 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:17.080 and then you're looking at the Wo Tang clan and 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:20.240 all nine of them came and shocked the planet. 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:23.160 You cannot they both those both of those crews shocked 1:05:23.200 --> 1:05:23.480 the plant. 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:24.280 Don't forget the DC. 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:29.200 And that would have been if he didn't imagine what 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:30.960 he would have been had. 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:34.560 Yeah, yeah, it's coming out. 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:38.840 People realize when you play and hear the lyrically what 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:42.720 he was. He was incredible because he sold a million records, 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:44.360 though they like he didn't come out and do whatever. 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:47.120 This of the lyrics Texas lyrically insane. 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:50.400 It was similar to like you guys, you had Doc Effects, 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:53.280 you had E P M D and you had I 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:58.320 forget who else I forgetting waste red man and they 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:01.840 had n W A Easy E and d O CEO 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:03.000 same time, H D O C. 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:07.720 Very dangerous, very like even though I come beget He 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:08.720 wrote the chronic though. 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:12.840 To his paying game was crazy. He was that near 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:15.200 like the Nods of the West Coast before now he was. 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:17.280 Yeah, you're right, you got to give him that. People 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:18.000 don't talk about, not. 1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:19.320 Even West Coast because he's from Texas. 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:22.480 But I mean he made give it to him because 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:25.240 they don't know him and he only had the one situation. 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:27.160 But again, if you go back and you play it 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:28.680 or watch the video, his. 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:32.280 His his delivery, all of it. Like he knew his 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:38.080 game was wild, right, And you know we asked him. 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:39.320 He was yeah. 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.720 We said him, you know, how how fucking for? 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:44.920 What is uh? What name of the hit? 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:46.000 No? 1:06:46.080 --> 1:06:50.120 No, no, no, We were asking him, Yo, where did 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:51.960 the patchwak come from? He said he just made it up? 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:54.880 Like we thought, you know, maybe he had some Caribbean background. 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:56.760 He's like, no, he just said he's one of the 1:06:56.840 --> 1:06:59.160 shock you wanted to shock dra Studio. 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:00.440 Did you see his documentary? 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:02.120 You got to see this documentary because when they talk 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:05.280 about it, right, they all everyone's like and then doctor 1:07:05.360 --> 1:07:07.840 Dre looks up and goes, I still to this day 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:14.360 don't know what the fun He says over really he's 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:15.120 not that ship. 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:18.640 No, that's such an ill record and the whole album 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:19.480 album's crazy. 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:20.720 Get the next one. 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:27.280 Biz mark here o dB uh bis monkey. 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:36.200 Digital or analog analog all fucking day, analogm analog all day. 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:41.680 To Cuba scar face. This is a highly debate debatable 1:07:41.760 --> 1:07:44.880 one here. Yeah you can go on that though too. 1:07:44.960 --> 1:07:47.800 You can say whatever to but I feel they're the 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:49.120 same from different parts. 1:07:49.360 --> 1:07:50.160 They are the same. 1:07:50.320 --> 1:07:54.480 But you got one person that is radical and one 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:59.000 dude who tells stories that's insane radical. Yes, whatever, like, 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:02.680 but when you play America's most Wanted Nigga, like this 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:05.760 is life changing. And the certificate too, I think that's 1:08:06.120 --> 1:08:09.480 certificate too. You playing record and you're playing funking and 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:12.439 and and jack and for beats to fucking. 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:13.440 The e P. 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:15.560 He said, God your record. 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:22.800 I'm saying my back to back to back and when 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:24.640 I'm saying that, run and I don't want to do 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:27.800 that because niggas is for real? 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:29.040 Can you say my name? 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:29.479 Like? 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:32.479 But Face is one of them. 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:38.599 He's listen man, but listen you. Face is my friend 1:08:39.080 --> 1:08:43.880 because I produced this nigga, so he's my that's my boy. 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:48.120 But when you go back to n w A in 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:52.479 the writing America's most Wanted, the certificate and the. 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:52.960 And the. 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:59.120 Just that with you that I want to say it, 1:08:59.200 --> 1:09:00.000 but you got to drink. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:03.719 That's what that was. What argument was that run is crazy? 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:07.639 I know, okay, I had it built. 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:10.400 Up, getting ready to say give me that I was 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:10.920 going ready to go. 1:09:10.960 --> 1:09:13.280 There, but you guys are while for this one. 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:16.760 You got to say that, I guess Puerto Rican food 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:21.840 or Jamaican food Spanish, Like how you said Spanish instead 1:09:21.840 --> 1:09:22.439 of Puerto Ricans. 1:09:23.400 --> 1:09:24.080 Is a Puerto Rican. 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:30.360 I don't know why I thought recipes of Hurricane g 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:32.240 but I thought she was Cuban at one point for 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:33.320 some reason, because you was out. 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:37.760 Of line that twin that you CARDI b got. She 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:43.160 had it first card Dominican, but the strong Puerto Rican sat. 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:48.839 Yeah, Hurricane Dominican, though, listen. 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:53.280 Got you right about that, because that's because I'm Dominican. Listen, 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:03.479 you know what, because I listen because because the green Eyes, right, 1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:08.439 I could pull it listening listen. 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:15.679 Hey wait, wait wait, let me put my story my story. 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:18.680 I had a rapp named team Hot Up and watch Heights, right. 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:24.080 They look just like us, So I'm like, damn, I 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:30.280 look like y'all. You know, maybe I can pass through, right, 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:33.920 Because again, Dominicans go up that that bus on seventy 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:40.040 second Street. All anybody said, I'm parked outside, it's gonna 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:40.320 come with. 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:43.160 And be like I'm here, I'm looking. 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:45.040 For now English. 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:48.200 But she's bad as I'm just waiting to see what 1:10:48.439 --> 1:10:51.840 I can fix that. You know that bust that come 1:10:51.920 --> 1:10:58.639 up on broad Wait they busted come up English call 1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:02.560 anybody go get her. I'm gonna talk to her, and 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:07.680 my boy gonna translate. I got money for you. I'm 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:09.720 gonna give your apartment papers, say, and some food and 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:15.000 some clothes and a visa. What they was doing. 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:18.600 I mean, look, you're not saying I. 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:23.920 Didn't know about the culture to whatever. I'm just here 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.720 trying to see what's going on. Washed Heights was was 1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:29.760 new to me, and Dominicans was was heavy. Now Washed 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:33.000 Heights is fire with restaurants in the hold off all that. 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:34.920 But at that time is what they did. We parked 1:11:34.920 --> 1:11:38.280 outside seventy first seventy sixth Street, Mida. 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:43.560 And listen, mister, need to get your Starburst for you. 1:11:46.520 --> 1:11:49.840 You left, you know, but the good back to the 1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:53.280 Dominican with the CARDI b You're right, Dominicans and Puerto 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:55.160 Ricans wants you to know they're not that. 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:58.160 Yeah, everybody's at the Cubans Puerto Ricans like we all. 1:11:59.360 --> 1:12:01.000 I don't unders stay in the same way. 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:03.720 If I said you from Brooklyn and you was like, nah, 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:06.639 I'm from Long Island because you have their own. 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:08.840 But that's the difference. 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:11.760 Though, Why is this? Why are they saying that to 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:14.320 knowing that they it's stupid to me. It seems like 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:15.720 they're close, but I don't know that. 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:18.240 No, it's not right, it's not, but it is the 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:21.240 thing is, that's colonial bullshit in all of our minds. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:26.080 You're correct, that's what it is a difference. Not eat 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:29.800 my fu from my portoy, different land, different But what's 1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:32.320 funked up about that? You can't even base it on 1:12:32.400 --> 1:12:34.919 the food. I went to my favorite Porto Rican restaurant 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:38.760 for damn there six months actually meet the goddamn chefs 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:39.759 and the chefs was Dominican. 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:43.960 I was, I was, this is not But what different 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:47.080 is my fungal from Mongoul? How difference? It's the same ship. 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:50.880 But we have the same ship too, It's all, you know. 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:53.640 But but there's certain people might say Coca cola, and 1:12:54.360 --> 1:12:56.840 also all of that comes from that. 1:13:03.040 --> 1:13:07.360 It's all a mix. Huh, Why why not mister? 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:10.640 One is Puerto Rican and one is Dominican When you 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:10.920 eat it? 1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:19.400 What wait, it's all based on planting, bro Relax man. 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:23.760 This is the part too. It's because argument because because 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:27.400 I don't do they is again different with Puerto Ricans 1:13:27.600 --> 1:13:30.920 and Dominicans. Some of them put olives in there in 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:36.479 it right and what and what and yeah, I don't 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:39.880 do that the rice and beans. 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:41.720 And some people put in right all of in the 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:43.640 the ground beef to. 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:47.640 Some people I went that to Dominicans don't do the 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:49.600 same way that Puerto Ricans do. 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:52.880 Yeah, that's there's there's the differences. That's why they that's 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:54.400 their it's the same name. 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:57.920 No, that was just not that. 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:02.800 That's no. And then you don't understand. This is called 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:04.559 what exactly? 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:04.880 So that. 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:07.240 Congree. 1:14:08.120 --> 1:14:10.640 But then this is the thing to be hungry. The 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:12.560 difference is shoes divine. 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:18.360 And then the South American and Central American those start 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:21.760 to change, you know, because then it's colonialism. How long 1:14:21.840 --> 1:14:24.320 Spain was there? How long this was here? Like main 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:26.799 not a part of us. Spain is the reason why. 1:14:26.640 --> 1:14:27.759 We talk Spanish guy Spain. 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:29.679 Let me just tell you some bro then that Spain 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:31.760 is the whitest You're not a Titano, you are not 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:35.640 a Spain is the whitest Latino country, the. 1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:36.400 Color in the world. 1:14:36.479 --> 1:14:40.960 They are the reason why we are Latinos. Unfortunately, colonialism, bro, 1:14:42.000 --> 1:14:46.200 and we all gonna take that ship all the same question. Yeah, 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:48.680 we're sucking up right now. You picked, you picked, you 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:58.000 picked port Weekond pick colonially to forty sure, Hammer over them. 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:00.320 We got to talk about you was on that tour. Yeah, 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:02.880 so how did you feel what everybody like? Was it 1:15:02.960 --> 1:15:05.759 around ever the time when third base was dising Hammer, 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:08.040 when when people were disinhammered. 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:09.120 Their base in come they came at ninety one, but 1:15:09.200 --> 1:15:11.760 they wasn't out yet. They was probably they copy came. 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:13.439 When we got But how did you feel about people 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:15.640 disin hammered being that you was not? 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.560 Because because I had don't forget, we had to. We 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:20.880 had beef with Hammer, so we it wasn't so you 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:23.280 guys started that then what you mean you had beef 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:23.679 for Hammer? 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:28.160 E PMD on the tour? Yeah, oh remind us listen. 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:30.320 Me and Paris put it to We gave it to everybody, 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:33.479 like I said, for I was like I said, six 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:35.760 two and a half, heavy set, chocolate brown, hell of 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:38.880 a jab gift together. It didn't matter. People thought they 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:41.679 was they was like that and we had to show 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:43.519 them that you wasn't like that. So you open your 1:15:43.560 --> 1:15:45.680 mouth up, you're catching it. That's what Keith Murray was 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:49.280 a problem though too. Everybody was trying to calm Keith 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:52.559 Murray down, but you they was fucking the fire on him. 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:55.080 So he couldn't sit back and just say whatever he 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:56.840 had to go. He was gonna cut you. 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.120 So the same thing too, when you on this road, 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:00.720 you on this thing. 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:03.719 Always artists, you know, they want to get the certain 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:05.960 position I want to go on before you, or this 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:08.280 and that or take your spot, the whole nine. And 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:10.519 anybody that was trying to get that, they had it coming. 1:16:11.840 --> 1:16:13.840 So I'd never heard about the EPM DMC. 1:16:14.000 --> 1:16:16.719 I mean I think I I vaguely remember I said 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:18.960 on somebody else's thing, but you know you want to 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:22.559 hear that. You want to hear what happened. Yes, okay, 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:24.880 So we had the dancer called Findy. Findy was a 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:31.160 good dancer. He's from the Brooklyn No, he's from the 1:16:31.520 --> 1:16:38.040 Rockaway right, so he's he was He was all over 1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:41.200 the stage. Hammer comes out to speakers and riders, so 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:43.400 you know you want to be like, stay off the speakers. 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:47.960 You know what I'm saying. Because the Hammer's people told 1:16:48.920 --> 1:16:54.559 EPMDS dancers stay off the speaker, right, So so okay, 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:57.040 so we on tour whatever like that and that, that 1:16:57.160 --> 1:16:59.840 and this. But when you and the when the mow 1:17:00.000 --> 1:17:02.560 and the crowds hype, you get amped. So maybe in 1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:06.760 my dance's mind he remembered, but he probably didn't remember it. 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:12.479 So that one night Vanila Ice opens up matter of fact, 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:13.960 when the lights wanted to go on tour and dance 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:18.680 with Findy be on toy EPMD. It's crazy, but he 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:24.519 that night got on the speaker dancing. So we get 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:28.599 off the stage. I think it was Hammer's brother, not Lou, 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:33.040 but another one came and was barking at Findy, so 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:36.080 we don't know this is going on hammer pants, I 1:17:36.160 --> 1:17:38.240 don't know. I didn't look at all that everybody in 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:44.519 his crew maybe maybe the his the stat I mean 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:48.439 everybody that was on stay. But anyway, they was talking right, 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:51.920 so we here like yelling. We see the dancer going 1:17:51.960 --> 1:17:54.600 back and forth. So Paris comes over. Here is it 1:17:55.120 --> 1:17:59.599 and then boom busts this nigga glasses and everything, yes, 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:03.200 all of it, all of us, the practice, cook, the blow, 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:08.240 then the door punt first quickly, so once he hit him, 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:14.759 we see like a whole fucking sea of people. 1:18:15.520 --> 1:18:19.040 Can you imagine him? And got thirty on stage. Anyway, so. 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:24.240 The people started coming and there was police officers. You know, 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:26.640 I can't make this up. So after a while we 1:18:26.880 --> 1:18:30.960 ended ended up moving towards the wrong way. So now 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:34.000 we're in this corridor where you go backstage and change. 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:38.000 Now it's me, Solo, Alvin God by the Dead, and 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:43.160 I and some other person against all these people and 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:46.400 we're like, oh, Ship, And one of the god was like, yo, 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:48.080 I want him to chubby one. 1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:51.920 So I'm like God, damn, I'm like Ship. 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:56.719 So now I get to him karate. 1:18:57.320 --> 1:18:59.040 I don't know, no comfortable. 1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:13.920 Dance, nothing whatever. So Solo is a golden glove boxer, 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:16.200 so at least I know maybe he can be able to. 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:20.840 Take two or three one on one. But I know 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:22.879 Alvin is he's dangerous. 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:28.640 But again, it too many people for some reason, the 1:19:28.760 --> 1:19:33.080 police were the sheriffs had it didn't get to that point, 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:36.519 but it almost got there. So then the next day 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:41.160 we get a call from Leo and Russell because they 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:43.479 had called him and said we want no parts with E. P. M. D. 1:19:44.600 --> 1:19:47.200 We want no parts of them. And that's that's how 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:48.760 it it ended. 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:53.759 The tour ended, It's like, wow, did you ever connect 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:54.439 with Hammer? After that? 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.840 He didn't even show up to the next show. This 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:00.320 in his hometown. He didn't show up. Ok because of 1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:04.200 that if and he didn't come. 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:06.559 To Oakland. 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:07.880 No, that's crazy. 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:10.679 Yeah, mister fab where you'll ave. 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:13.000 Too Short? 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:16.200 Nobody Short came Short, came Short was my that's still 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.640 my boy? Like Short was like like really kind of 1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:20.559 like holding me down. 1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:24.840 Kind of Oh okay, you know, because they all cool now. 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:26.960 Yeah, but they was cool with him and now too. 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:29.680 I was cool with him him then, Like so for 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:31.680 when people talk about him, I'm like, man, you got 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:34.439 to be crazy. Motherfucker sold ten million record You cannot 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:36.360 take nothing from him. And I was and I was 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:39.160 also an advocate to to like where was he at 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:42.720 for Hip hop fifty? You cannot do that. He was 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:45.280 like the big quart of it, like whatever, that's why 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:45.920 he never came. 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:47.599 You'd be like, yo, what happened to him? 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:51.400 But again the time whatever, everybody, listen, you're young, norry 1:20:51.720 --> 1:20:54.639 out there in the nineties. Ain't know none of these phones, 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.599 none of the other ship this and that whatever. They 1:20:56.720 --> 1:20:58.320 just got busy, you know, many these shootouts. We was 1:20:58.360 --> 1:21:03.400 in Jesus like apartments, you know, North Carolina, fucking Callium, 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:09.080 fucking Rochester, upstate. I mean, these these people didn't play 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:11.479 you coming to their town, right, because don't forget you 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:13.760 you in the town. The girls is you look at 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:16.160 the whole Nimes and now whatever like that, and they're 1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:18.160 doing the shit that happened the puppy at the club. Yo, 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:21.240 I got money too, you know that's the type of 1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:24.439 shit that that was going on back then. Man, we 1:21:24.640 --> 1:21:31.360 in fucking Ohio, right, we in one of them shits whatever, 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:35.479 one of arenas, and I put I have my EPMD jacket, 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:38.800 put my jacket down. Somebody stole my jacket. So somebody said, yo, 1:21:39.000 --> 1:21:41.760 I got Eric Simmon's jacket, right, making a whole big deal. 1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:44.439 I'm like, damn man, the niggas got my jacket, so 1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:47.120 we know you all know who has it. But anyway, 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:51.280 twelve Detroit niggas, it's eight thousand people in there, they 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:57.640 tearing this areena the fuck up? Right now with me 1:21:58.240 --> 1:22:03.519 is Jalen Rose, no ship right, I'm the only one 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:06.160 with a pistol. So now it's like, okay, we got 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:09.920 to get because these niggas are now as shooting so 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:12.439 I'm telling you right now, kim My mother died eight 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:18.280 months ago. Jalen Roses outside in the moving van. He 1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:22.680 had to jump in because it was that hectic out 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:25.479 in that part. But we got this basketball niggas. We 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:26.920 gotta make sure that he's safe. 1:22:27.680 --> 1:22:27.880 Wow. 1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:29.400 And this is when he's in the NBA or winning. 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:34.559 Yeah, this is this is this is Maybe it might 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:37.479 you know, maybe because this is this is ninety ninety, 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:39.400 ninety or nineteen ninety. 1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:42.760 Because isn't at the time five isn't that the Fab five? 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:45.760 It might be five? 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:47.800 Yeah, it might be because don't forget if you watch 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:50.439 some of his documentaries, you see on the sofa with 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:53.120 pirates like him and Harry Paris had got cool. But 1:22:53.320 --> 1:22:55.599 but again the Fat five had to because it's ninety 1:22:56.200 --> 1:23:01.639 so so had to moving banduck crazy and I'm like, yeah, 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:03.120 imagine that ship didn't go right? 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:09.640 Thank got it? Okay, Cypress Hills on the Fuji's. 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:13.920 They got to go with withis because it was my boys, 1:23:14.000 --> 1:23:17.840 even though it's people too, because I was mad cool 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.120 with Lauren in the beginning of me. People don't know 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:22.000 that about law. Lauren used to call the studio. We 1:23:22.080 --> 1:23:24.800 used to talk a lot, like talk a lot on 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.320 the phone, you know what I mean. But but again, 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:30.960 but you know Cyper Stills, they changed the whole fusih 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:31.640 ain't escape too. 1:23:31.720 --> 1:23:35.719 But for niggas like that Hardcourt ship. That was problem 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:36.080 with them. 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:38.840 That's the word. 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:41.000 The first video. 1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:42.400 I was like, but you got to talk about you 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:45.640 said you got the tape to Cyprus. We had the 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:47.760 same Sony rap. So when I when I got up 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:49.519 the playing me and past in the car with the 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:52.960 Sony rap, he had the Cyper Skills tape. Whatever I heard, 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:54.880 I'm like, this is crazy. I just happened to call 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:57.080 Cube because I wanted Cube to hear it. I don't 1:23:57.160 --> 1:23:59.240 know why I called them, but I said, yo, meet 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:01.160 me at He said, no, me me such and such. 1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:03.599 So I brought him to tape when I came home. 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:07.800 He in the video. Yeah, so you really like the 1:24:07.960 --> 1:24:10.160 you know cyber steals when he when he heard him 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:12.760 and he's in the video in New York. That's what 1:24:12.760 --> 1:24:15.240 I'm saying in New York. That's the ill part. And 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:17.840 he will says when he looked up and saw him, like, 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:19.200 ohly ship, that's cute. 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:22.760 That video has mad cameos. Yeah, that's a crazy A 1:24:22.760 --> 1:24:23.639 lot of New York cameo. 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:26.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said that they did label. The 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:29.200 label wanted him to. They wanted them to shoot that 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:31.680 to get the New York because again not knowing that 1:24:31.840 --> 1:24:33.600 LA was going to play the record. But it's a 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:35.439 New York sounds, it's a jam, so they're like, yo, 1:24:35.520 --> 1:24:36.400 let's shoot it there. 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:42.519 Except got me, got me? You're still going with that? Yeah, yeah, 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:45.400 We've got another one. A deaf squad or his squad 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:53.120 his squad. Okay, Metro Boomer or Murder Beats, metro Keith 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:54.240 Mary or Redman. 1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:57.840 The way are you doing that? Drink Man? 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:04.040 Look that's said, got to take a super peepiece in 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:04.519 a second. 1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:09.559 Just Blaze or bank they hate each other by the way, 1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:13.600 f y Yeah no, see from what. 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:15.960 I guys see, I say it's just because he did 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:19.160 the record for me too. But but bank Dog style 1:25:19.439 --> 1:25:22.200 is just insane. I think that I think that people, 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:25.080 I think he might be the father of it. You 1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:27.840 know of a couple of people's styles on on the 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:32.800 on the low because if you play the songs that 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:35.560 don't because he was there first. So you play the 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:37.880 records and see some of the technique of it. 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:42.320 You said he was there first, my Rockefeller, the style. 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:44.519 Of the style of the beat. When you hear people 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:47.599 that came after him, you know, I'm just hey, man, 1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:49.200 God damn it. 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:52.320 That's big coming for you. So you say, I'm just 1:25:52.400 --> 1:25:53.320 giving the father. 1:25:53.360 --> 1:25:56.160 The factual, the timing history of the history of it, 1:25:56.280 --> 1:25:58.599 like when you see the stuff that he was doing. 1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:01.640 And you know, you gotta put Rockbill in there too, 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:05.760 because again some of the styles are similar, but he 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:11.960 was first before the other one, you know. And but 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:15.519 again we all take from ship, you know what I mean. 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:20.320 But you know, just Blase is incredible. You gotta you 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:23.040 gotta sit man, because because both of them is ill 1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:34.439 at what they do. I know, I'm sorry, order youngsters illegal. 1:26:34.560 --> 1:26:35.840 Come on, Both those groups are dope. 1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:38.240 Though rock him okay, restaurant. 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:42.559 Rockim is my mentor Chris is my man doing too. 1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:44.920 But I gotta go for my partner who's down the 1:26:44.960 --> 1:26:47.680 block from me, you know, Long Island. I'm gonna have 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:50.320 to take a people got you gotta take a dookie. 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:56.200 So he picked him. 1:26:58.200 --> 1:26:59.320 M j Or Prince. 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:03.439 Yeah, you know, Michael Jackson. Even though Prinson is still 1:27:03.439 --> 1:27:05.240 a genius because he produced his own music. 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:05.880 And the whole one. 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:09.519 But I just watched him Michael Jackson just before about 1:27:09.600 --> 1:27:15.600 what they said that Michael Jackson when he did the 1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:21.600 Oprah Winfrey interview, right, it was one billion people that 1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:22.120 watched it. 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:24.320 No, five hundred, five hundred million. 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:32.479 Right then when he did oh no, when when he 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:38.880 passed away, it was one billion people that watched it. Yes. 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:39.400 Wow. 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:41.240 So when you talk about the people like I'm the 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:43.559 next Michael, none of y'all, no way in the world 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:49.479 his whole ship about him. Chris don't have that neither. 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:51.560 But you have to give it to Michael. He was 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:56.160 something that we never ever, ever ever seen before. 1:27:57.360 --> 1:28:01.960 You heard you ever hear the stories of the beefing No, yeah, 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:05.719 like the more and more interview people. 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:08.040 Yeah, yeah, I don't think they like each other. 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:08.960 Mike said. 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:11.960 He showed up to a couple of the shows, but 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:14.280 he was there to shut him down. He wasn't there 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:18.400 like okay, he wasn't there to like he like. Mike 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:20.800 would come up to some Prince shows and know that 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:23.960 these people ain't gonna tell him, no, he's fucking Michael Jackson. 1:28:24.200 --> 1:28:26.280 And he would go on and try to perform before 1:28:26.360 --> 1:28:29.760 prints from certain things and real, Yeah, like this is 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:33.040 this is like we have multiple stories from different people, 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:35.840 and Mike was Mike was kind of the more and 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:37.800 more you kind of see it and you like kind 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:38.439 of see him like. 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:39.280 With gang members. 1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:43.320 You're like, that didn't make sense, Like he I almost 1:28:43.360 --> 1:28:44.960 thought I saw him throw up a side but I did, 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:48.720 I did, and I did but and beat it. No, no, no, 1:28:50.000 --> 1:28:53.479 like all that. It was always like certain things and 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:58.000 then you hear like his affiliation, like it's different. 1:28:58.080 --> 1:28:58.200 Man. 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.760 So I always said, or those stories. This is my 1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:03.840 favorite stories. Michael Jackson and Prince stories. Have you ever 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:04.320 met Mike. 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:09.920 Let me tell you a story with Mike. So I 1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:12.960 got a call to go do Black Street Teddy Rally. 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:17.599 So me and my cousin ride down to Virginia again. 1:29:18.520 --> 1:29:24.599 N all right, cool, well yo, you you're mentioning there 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.080 one more time when I'm stopping. I know, but this 1:29:28.240 --> 1:29:28.720 is too much. 1:29:29.320 --> 1:29:32.360 Let's go. Let's go because let's take this to this. 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:34.920 I'm already in every he's already in every interview. He's like, 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:36.920 did you say my name again? 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.600 We're talking about So I. 1:29:40.640 --> 1:29:44.519 Go to Virginia and and I see you're speaking to 1:29:44.560 --> 1:29:45.240 see Teddy Rally. 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:47.600 No I go see he called me okay, so so 1:29:47.680 --> 1:29:49.960 because don't beginut, I did Booty Call the first single 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:53.639 when they first something right, that's right? So after I whatever, 1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:59.200 I walk inside for real. So I walk inside there 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:04.040 the first person I meet is Pharrell Wow right. It 1:30:04.120 --> 1:30:08.160 is a producer there him Chad and a singer named Mike. 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:12.439 So he's like, yo, I wrap like you do? 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:16.439 Yes, it's his shirt tight? What's what's true? 1:30:16.760 --> 1:30:17.880 What like? 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:20.280 I'm not looking at people like that I do. 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:22.360 I have to describe the situation ahead continued. 1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:26.880 So if you go on the internet, there's a song 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:30.599 with me and Pharrell called boot Monocalization that we made 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:33.240 in nineteen ninety three. Boot what I know? 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:35.080 It's crazy ninety three? 1:30:35.280 --> 1:30:37.599 Yes, because I put them on two records. 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:39.599 Are trying to say you discovered the Neptunes before? 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:40.400 No, I justspect that. 1:30:44.479 --> 1:30:45.200 Tell you had them. 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:46.200 It's very true. 1:30:46.479 --> 1:30:52.000 He had in the studio. That was the producers. I 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:54.679 let him rhyme on the records that I was doing. 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:58.280 You let Pharrell run before anybody else, let him ryme right. 1:30:58.760 --> 1:31:03.960 I always take those prospects. Fuck you, Eric, I din't 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:05.479 know that. You gotta go on the YouTube and you 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:05.800 go that. 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:09.360 I didn't know that. Anyway, I'm already amp up because 1:31:09.360 --> 1:31:13.120 I'm there with Teddy outside of the tour bus, right, 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:21.599 Michael Jackson on tour bus. So Mike goes to the bathroom. 1:31:21.760 --> 1:31:25.240 I miss him, right, So I don't know that part. 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:29.000 Teddy says, Eric, Yo, you want to be Michael. I 1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:32.000 was like, not now you said not? Now, I know 1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:36.679 what's wrong with you? Were you nervous? 1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:37.599 Michael? 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:40.479 I was there with Teddy? No, I was there with Teddy. 1:31:40.640 --> 1:31:43.000 Wasn't like this is what I was here doing for 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:46.479 some reason that was that wasn't more important than what 1:31:46.640 --> 1:31:51.000 I was doing. I know that's the illly ship. I 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:56.640 told Teddy. Not now crazy. I could have walked on 1:31:56.720 --> 1:32:00.479 that bus, shook hands, maybe, could have building a record, anything, anything. 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:02.000 My mind was someplace else. 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:04.439 And let me guess that Michael float out of there. 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:05.960 No, he he is. 1:32:07.840 --> 1:32:13.040 You've never seen I never saw. So your one chance 1:32:13.120 --> 1:32:14.439 to be one chance you blew it. 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:15.920 Take a pictures the whole that I could have had, 1:32:15.960 --> 1:32:16.400 all that ship. 1:32:16.800 --> 1:32:19.519 Yeah, man, you ain't even take a flick for the ground. 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:24.160 Tell you to collaborate, Tell you would collaborate the story, nigga, 1:32:24.280 --> 1:32:26.280 Like yo, the bus is sitting out there. 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:27.200 He said, you want to meet him? 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:32.040 I said not. Now he must have thought Teddy must 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:34.200 have thought he was was I don't know what he's doing. 1:32:34.600 --> 1:32:37.360 Well, I know Michael thinking he was told, oh, yeah, 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:37.519 if he. 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:42.719 Were Teddy, yeah, Michael, he would have been like crumbs. 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:46.360 And then Teddy went back and say, man, he'll be 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:47.559 He'll be a little while. 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:50.160 Yeah. But but but at the end of the day, 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:52.080 Michael Jackson, nobody was bigger than him. 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:55.240 Nobody, nobody. I'm not gonna lie Chris Brown right now. 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.800 Very close what I told you, nigga, very close though, 1:32:59.160 --> 1:33:04.760 five hundred millions, Michael's one billion international. He goes to 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:08.560 the shows, there's one hundred thousand people a shot, no 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:09.920 matter what outside. 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:12.280 When he goes somewhere, he got to shut down. 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:15.439 The whole Christmas would tell you neighborhood everything. We never 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:19.320 seen that from no individual that that that was it. 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:27.320 That's why I said close, like damn shape, political everything internationally, 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:28.880 probably helped the Cold War everything. 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:30.840 People that have stopped to see it. When he show 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:32.320 up somewhere, what they got to do. They have to 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:36.439 shut down the neighborhood. This is just proof of the 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:39.240 millions and millions of millions of people. You never but 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:41.559 no individual. He's bigger than anything we have ever seen. 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.439 Who come on, you just left field right now to 1:33:46.640 --> 1:33:49.400 this question? Is crazy? A couple of those. 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:53.840 Ahead? Yay? Or for real? 1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:55.960 Kanye? 1:33:56.760 --> 1:33:59.120 We did that already. No, no, no, we just brought 1:33:59.200 --> 1:34:01.080 up for we just brought mom. You said who you say? 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:06.840 You said Kanye even though Parrell's ill, but Kanye again, 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:09.760 when he came he kind of whatever. I know when 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:12.280 I was, like you said, from when you sit there, 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:14.920 you kind of dormant. But when he when I heard 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:17.519 the ship that when he came out, it kind of 1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:19.280 woke me up as a producer. 1:34:19.360 --> 1:34:22.599 Yeah, okay, that's that's that's that's a compliment. 1:34:22.840 --> 1:34:27.320 Radio podcast. Oh it's podcast. 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:38.120 Good Cam or Mace, you. 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:38.760 Gotta sip it. 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:42.000 Yeah, big up to Cam and makes too man very 1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:42.360 proud of. 1:34:44.560 --> 1:34:47.439 Because they both to me, is almost kind of the same. 1:34:47.479 --> 1:34:50.000 Though kind of though too because because they both spit 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:54.920 the that that that dollar that they both what they're doing. 1:34:55.280 --> 1:34:56.400 Cheers love what they're doing. 1:34:56.840 --> 1:35:00.719 Uh, Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle, I got the biggest 1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:06.040 list ever. Yeah, it's your niggas wold out with that. Yeah, 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:11.760 so Chris Rockert, Dave Chappelle. 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:13.160 Yeah. 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:21.160 No, because I know Chris One, I know Dave Funny. 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:23.479 Now I'm just saying that just Chris say PMD fan. 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:27.679 So I'm saying I don't you know. And I watched 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.280 everything he did, and I watched anything Dave did too, And. 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:33.639 They're both just hip hop heads, like heavy hip hop, 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:35.759 bolt of them. Yeah, and both of them legends. 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:41.000 And yeah, yeah, gotta drink almost you know you too, man, 1:35:41.000 --> 1:35:43.560 you gotta drink I don't know, but you got to 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:47.120 cool out too, like you gotta cool out this ship 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:48.240 right here is a question. 1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:51.760 They sucked it up and got your good No, yeah, 1:35:51.800 --> 1:35:52.439 we're not good. 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:56.519 Man, oh man. 1:35:58.439 --> 1:36:06.000 Yeah, way point is ill, but I'm gonna give it 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:10.120 to him to method man. Okay, kick a pri or 1:36:10.160 --> 1:36:16.880 DJ red Alert, Yeah, but they they do different things. 1:36:17.120 --> 1:36:18.800 Kick a pre is like that's the point. 1:36:19.200 --> 1:36:23.639 Yeah, it's whatever, it's whatever your category, whatever whatever, you could. 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:27.200 I guess say both, yes, both they both because they 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:32.400 both impacted, hugely impacted, usually because that mixtape game was 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:34.000 something insane. 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:37.920 Doctor Drake or Puff Daddy, Well you stop, go ahead 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:39.240 because it's Dre. 1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:47.240 You said, Yeah, Molly, Ma or large professor, but Molly Ma, 1:36:48.040 --> 1:36:50.080 he would be he's invented sampling. 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:52.640 You got to give it. There's nothing to say about that. 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:56.320 You're still going. 1:36:56.640 --> 1:36:58.800 You got only a couple more, a couple more your 1:36:58.800 --> 1:37:00.599 own TV raps or video music box? 1:37:01.439 --> 1:37:05.160 Rough me, Daniels, I like that kiss or fabulous? 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:06.519 What did you say? 1:37:08.600 --> 1:37:09.360 Why did he say? 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:15.720 He wrote it in Spanish sweak fluent speak fluent, mister Lee. 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:22.519 They knew that you was not represented. They put that 1:37:22.640 --> 1:37:22.880 in there. 1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:23.240 You put that. 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:30.280 Have him say it because he because he's gonna say nothing, 1:37:30.640 --> 1:37:47.760 have him saying, yeah, wow, fab turned out to be dangerous. 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:50.599 He did yeah, man, kiss was always dangerous. 1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:54.439 Yes, you know you gotta you gotta sick. 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:56.479 You know why? Because again, because fab turned out to 1:37:56.520 --> 1:37:58.080 be something dangerous. 1:37:58.120 --> 1:37:59.680 I mean, we don't have to know. 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:05.599 Yeah, you got it, Sonny, New Jack City or King 1:38:05.640 --> 1:38:16.559 of New York if a nickel baggers throw in the park. 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:27.040 M Frank White, but you know brown, you know Brown 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:28.960 brung thus skin niggas back to life? 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:31.400 What was Homegirl? 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:32.320 Rock saved me? 1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:35.439 That was the New Jack City? Yes, but even though 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:38.200 King of New York was fucking crazy. 1:38:38.840 --> 1:38:44.719 The what's my man name and Chris. He was Wessey Snipes. 1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:47.560 Wessey Snipes did such a good job that when I 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:49.599 met him in real life I was still scared of him. 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:52.880 And Bro, he was a cop. 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:54.320 He did such a good job. 1:38:56.320 --> 1:38:58.880 I knew he wouldn't have Copper. 1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:00.679 This is the first time he's him as a cop. 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:01.040 It was. 1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:04.679 Yeah, that's a fact. That's the fact. 1:39:04.720 --> 1:39:07.280 What I'm saying is my first time encountering I see 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:10.200 course of that role. I wasn't him, but when I 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:14.599 you were scared him as yeah West, I saw Nino. 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:17.599 Yeah look at your funky black ass. 1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:24.280 Yeah yeah, Chris, you picked blue Jack City. This is 1:39:24.520 --> 1:39:26.040 the last one that we could get back to the interview. 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:29.480 Loyalty or respect. 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:33.360 I got to go on with was it was? 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:34.200 It was it. 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:37.160 Holy Ship? 1:39:37.280 --> 1:39:38.360 Who would you have up here? 1:39:38.520 --> 1:39:40.160 Snoop no said love. 1:39:40.280 --> 1:39:44.280 I know, yes, Snoop Stead though too, but also I 1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:46.759 think it was bleak Memphis. 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:49.320 Everybody has a different take. I think they kind of 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.840 they kind of you need both of them. I think 1:39:51.920 --> 1:39:53.400 both is the most logical answer. 1:39:53.600 --> 1:39:53.800 Both. 1:39:53.920 --> 1:39:56.240 It's the only question that we've both people. 1:39:56.160 --> 1:39:58.360 Come in with one and they going with this crazy 1:39:59.160 --> 1:39:59.840 dire tribe. 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:11.960 So respect and loyalty right, yes, me, respect might be 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:14.920 a little bit more bigger though, because the reason why 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:18.040 is like the loyal is dead too. But I feel 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:19.880 like you if you don't got to respect, you can't 1:40:19.920 --> 1:40:22.919 get that. You don't want both, you do, but respect 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:26.040 is a big one. So you rather that than both. 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:29.320 That's the thing I'm going to respect because the nigga 1:40:29.360 --> 1:40:32.479 ca you catch because that's goes a long way because 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:35.600 I can see what's what's happening. Loyal for me is 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:38.840 not how I'm still here. Respect is how I'm still here. 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:41.680 Niggas respect me. So this is why I'm saying that 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:43.680 to the loyalty, I don't really have to be lord 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:45.960 and nobody like that. You know that I know about it. 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:48.519 Be like yo, damn you niggasayer a nigga no but respect. 1:40:49.080 --> 1:40:50.960 No to respect got me where I'm at. 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:56.040 So you're going respect, yes, But let me just I'm explaining. 1:40:55.720 --> 1:40:58.960 The way niggas didn't play it that way. Like respect 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:01.799 you can't buy it. Your niggas can't get it. If 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:04.800 you respect is it's always earned, exactly always. 1:41:05.640 --> 1:41:09.120 But let me just chatting on you. You not only 1:41:09.240 --> 1:41:11.240 have respect, you have love. 1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:14.800 That's the beautiful thing about you, like you don't just 1:41:14.880 --> 1:41:18.720 have features because people, you know, are looking to get 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:19.600 a check or looking to know. 1:41:19.720 --> 1:41:20.720 People respect you. 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:22.920 That's what I'm saying. That's that's why I'm here. 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:24.240 It respect is you. 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:26.000 But love is loyal too. 1:41:26.120 --> 1:41:28.800 Loved though right and to me love, love is loyalty and. 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:29.400 Love is Lord. 1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:32.120 You're putting three together, you gotta. I'm trying to choose 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:34.799 love the Lord to you? Have you said loyalty and respect? 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:36.000 The love is something different. 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:38.360 You can't just add the love is loyalty in my 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:39.920 add another word. 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:43.280 I know he said loyalty, and say. 1:41:43.200 --> 1:41:47.080 Love, loyalty and respect. Love he's added another word. You 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:47.519 can't do that. 1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:51.360 I think love loyalty is the same, not not really, 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:53.800 not really someone can love you. Take a shot for 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:54.280 that anyway. 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:57.559 For me getting it wrong, You trying to add something 1:41:57.600 --> 1:41:58.719 into the new contest. 1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:02.879 This is love you I do you dirty? That's facts exactly. 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:08.519 We don't want you to say ship just playing. You've 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:12.120 been drinking from you deserve. Ain't no camera on you 1:42:12.200 --> 1:42:14.960 or not. I ain't got no love for you. Bad 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:15.720 bad Huh. 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:24.600 Everyone's road is your you know this nigga drunk some 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:25.920 people might go on a dirt road. 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:27.320 Wait wait wait wait wait, you. 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:31.280 Know your role. 1:42:31.920 --> 1:42:33.639 Everybody started off with loyalty. 1:42:33.880 --> 1:42:36.519 Because you're still here too. 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:41.439 Respect And that's why I'm saying that exactly. 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:46.320 I don't understand what you takes. 1:42:47.240 --> 1:42:52.000 I just told you you did not understand what inspect 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:57.720 comes first. He said like this, He said, like broad 1:42:59.080 --> 1:42:59.680 you come back to me. 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:01.759 Well, let me tell you something, Eric Sherman. 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:04.400 It's just about giving people. 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:06.800 They flowers where they could smell them, they thought where 1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:07.280 they could tell it. 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:07.920 We didn't get it. 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:10.240 They drink, get drinking, they thoughts when they could think 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:13.200 of them. And we need to give you your flying away. 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:18.760 We need to get you up. We wound up doing 1:43:18.800 --> 1:43:20.439 this back then when the first time he came up. 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:22.680 The first time was hold on, let me say so. 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:25.240 Let me say so, y'all mad bows that was empty on. 1:43:27.240 --> 1:43:30.519 We drank them because there was twenty sixteen though, y'all 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:34.880 in the hotel with a bootleg and the whole type 1:43:34.880 --> 1:43:35.160 of ship. 1:43:36.400 --> 1:43:39.280 It was different times. Man, Well, listen. 1:43:40.880 --> 1:43:42.759 Ya dance. 1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:49.719 We will figured that out. We figured it out exactly, 1:43:49.840 --> 1:43:51.799 said this is right here is yeah, nope. 1:43:51.680 --> 1:43:53.880 This is figuring it out. So so let me just 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:57.960 say something. They're real would this be if it wasn't 1:43:58.000 --> 1:43:58.680 an E P M D. 1:43:59.760 --> 1:44:02.000 They wouldn't be a component oriega, It wouldn't be a 1:44:02.040 --> 1:44:02.839 component in oreega. 1:44:02.880 --> 1:44:04.360 It wouldn't be a drink. Absolutely. 1:44:04.920 --> 1:44:08.400 So did you watch the the fucking Ship with with 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:12.920 with Mark Wilbourne talking in the addition say it won't 1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:15.760 be a Backstreet Boys or in sync. You got to say, 1:44:22.720 --> 1:44:26.639 it's the truth. It's the truth, the evolution. 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:28.640 And we all got to the two men, to the 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:31.840 two man groups, from Smith and Wesson, to mob Deep 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:33.519 to m O P to. 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:36.599 All of us. We all owe it to y'all. 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:38.360 I appreciate that that two men. 1:44:39.240 --> 1:44:40.760 And I know I always say this word wrong. 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:41.480 Camarerie. 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:44.120 That's the Spanish coming out of me. 1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:49.560 Camarerie, camaraderie. You know what I mean? The Commodore's you 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:50.800 motherfucker's invented that. 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:54.519 Well, we robbed run DMC for it for it. 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:58.640 See the three people though, still so why y'all say that? 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:01.719 I understand that though, but too, but it's still two rappers. 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:04.479 They had a d J too, Yeah, but no, no, 1:45:04.560 --> 1:45:09.719 no jams J is the two rappers back and forth. 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:11.840 We listen when you look at the E P M 1:45:11.880 --> 1:45:17.920 D logo. Oh LEO, did that? Russell said, did this? Russell? 1:45:18.080 --> 1:45:20.840 I said, E P D was E P E E 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:25.680 M D E E is long. Russell was like, do 1:45:25.800 --> 1:45:26.240 it this way. 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:28.600 I said, Russell, you can't take your because the. 1:45:30.200 --> 1:45:33.600 Red. You can't take run DMC's logo because all it 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.479 is is just chopped up line. Run DMC is. 1:45:36.479 --> 1:45:38.120 Well, y'all had the same motherfucking logo. 1:45:38.600 --> 1:45:39.880 Look at it now. I never. 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:43.320 And we told Russell. He said, don't take care, don'torry 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:44.640 about that. I take care of that. 1:45:53.160 --> 1:45:53.519 Secret. 1:45:53.600 --> 1:45:54.479 You look right at it. 1:45:55.640 --> 1:45:57.200 Not a secret, not a secret. 1:45:57.760 --> 1:45:59.200 But if you didn't know, you didn't know. 1:45:59.360 --> 1:46:01.479 I know, I didn't know today. I mean I just 1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:02.479 thought the death cham we. 1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:04.720 Had different colors, and then they had the nerve to 1:46:04.760 --> 1:46:05.519 put the red. 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:06.720 And the white like them on. 1:46:06.800 --> 1:46:11.200 This one because these were the color right right, and 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:19.000 god damn it, it worked. And because of that from 1:46:19.280 --> 1:46:21.200 if you're going to give it to run to you. 1:46:21.280 --> 1:46:25.280 Guys that you guys, well the style, change rock him, 1:46:25.360 --> 1:46:28.120 change the style. Then our new style came in. So 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:30.800 that's when we started doing the gun talking. So that's 1:46:30.840 --> 1:46:33.560 where again the mob's coming. Mattha let me get a 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:36.200 plug real quick, because I called you though to you 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:39.200 you he was busy. I don't say that your why 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:43.200 on the projects not called okay two man's right. So 1:46:43.240 --> 1:46:48.519 when you're bringing that up and you said less dynamic duels, right, you. 1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:50.640 Did the whole album. Capon't even called me for that. 1:46:51.000 --> 1:46:54.639 Dynamic duels is something that I did because the way 1:46:54.680 --> 1:46:57.840 y'all did drink champs like okay, well, which I heard 1:46:57.880 --> 1:46:59.880 the story I off is true that y'all did the 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:02.840 because to interview people like us. 1:47:05.680 --> 1:47:08.400 So when COVID was going on, even. 1:47:08.200 --> 1:47:10.360 Though they had the idea before, I was like, you 1:47:10.400 --> 1:47:13.320 know what, I got to do this for hip hop 1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:17.040 and for these for my colleagues who feel they can't 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:19.960 make records no more. Who told you to stop making records? 1:47:20.000 --> 1:47:22.880 Like how you doing this? I'm like, fuck all that. 1:47:23.439 --> 1:47:27.800 So I called the people you know, DM them. I 1:47:27.840 --> 1:47:31.160 mean I ain't really called nobody, but I d M 1:47:31.320 --> 1:47:35.000 them and I made records on them. So when I 1:47:35.120 --> 1:47:37.760 have Run came to the studios, but the Run DMC 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.960 dynamic because they wasn't making no ship. Both of them 1:47:41.000 --> 1:47:45.599 was this adamant it ain't happening. So then I made 1:47:45.880 --> 1:47:47.960 I called storm Pepper because I didn't have no girls. 1:47:48.520 --> 1:47:50.320 So that's why the sworn Pepper's on the now though two. 1:47:50.760 --> 1:47:55.120 But on the album who you Have Pepper mab D 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:02.519 from Heaven No, probably I got vocals. I got you 1:48:02.600 --> 1:48:06.519 got vocals, okay, Hell the Skelter he got vocals. Dog 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:12.519 Pound okay, m O p mm hmm brdan F not 1:48:12.680 --> 1:48:19.920 cnn E P M D bum B and U g K. 1:48:20.040 --> 1:48:22.519 But you can't say you gotta say bumb petureman pimp 1:48:22.600 --> 1:48:25.320 c Okay, you have to say it leally. You can't 1:48:25.320 --> 1:48:28.720 say U g K that some iss like some in 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:36.760 the medical So that's some ship, okay, right, Snoop Dogg 1:48:36.840 --> 1:48:42.920 and Nate Dog okay. And Biggie Smalls and Biggie Biggie 1:48:42.920 --> 1:48:48.519 Smells and Biggie Yes. And when you hear yeah, I know. 1:48:50.680 --> 1:48:52.320 What is Biggs and Biggie. 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:54.320 Early, Biggie Smalls is in notorious. 1:48:54.560 --> 1:48:56.680 All of it is early, but it's not something that 1:48:56.920 --> 1:49:00.800 was like vaguely familiar. And the way that I did it, 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:02.840 it's fucked up because a I came out right, so 1:49:03.240 --> 1:49:06.120 people ain't gonna look at me and be like yo, nah, Eric, 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:09.160 but no, it's me This is how I made it 1:49:09.520 --> 1:49:12.200 if I the biggest small than Tupac was together. This 1:49:12.280 --> 1:49:14.640 is how we hit them together rocking. So I was 1:49:14.920 --> 1:49:17.200 doing my ship to make it seem like they was together. 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:19.439 How I said with me and Marvin was like I 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:21.439 was answering back and forth with him like he was 1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:23.519 with me. I made a song like that too, to 1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:25.839 make it seem like those two were together. 1:49:26.560 --> 1:49:27.280 Which two. 1:49:29.120 --> 1:49:34.040 The biggest moll in PC. You didn't say that, he said, big? 1:49:34.439 --> 1:49:34.920 Oh yeah I did. 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:37.680 Yeah, And you know there was that guy that suited him. 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:40.160 That's why he changed biggie small. That's what you meant. 1:49:45.520 --> 1:49:48.840 Yo, I said, biggest, small than bigger. You're looking at 1:49:48.920 --> 1:50:00.080 my confusion. I said, I'm like, no, that's all, and 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:04.280 you got clearance. Well, I guess Puppy cleared his quicker. 1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:07.040 The two pacing stage is kind of again. They're taking 1:50:07.080 --> 1:50:10.080 a long time, but nobody said no so to me 1:50:11.360 --> 1:50:11.800 to let go. 1:50:12.640 --> 1:50:15.240 I don't think anybody's gonna tell you no. You know, 1:50:16.240 --> 1:50:18.200 I think that's you're one of those let me get 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:20.200 your flowers. Please don't cut me off because you don't 1:50:20.320 --> 1:50:24.720 guess to be coming. He deserves to. No, no, no, no, 1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:30.240 it's cool. You are one of those people that no 1:50:30.360 --> 1:50:32.280 one can actually say no no. 1:50:32.320 --> 1:50:33.280 It says that all the time. 1:50:33.680 --> 1:50:34.519 I'm just being honest. 1:50:34.600 --> 1:50:39.560 You you, your genuineness, your humbleness and your realness and 1:50:39.680 --> 1:50:43.599 his legacy. I'm not even the legacy is like number seven, 1:50:44.120 --> 1:50:46.880 but the realness and how you you you are as 1:50:46.960 --> 1:50:49.920 a person. I don't think there's anybody on this earth. 1:50:50.000 --> 1:50:53.560 There's certain people who have that you. I see it. 1:50:53.640 --> 1:50:55.600 In fact, Joe I can't tell Fat Joe no, and 1:50:55.680 --> 1:50:57.519 I can't tell DJ Collin no, even though I be 1:50:57.640 --> 1:51:03.280 knowing it's wrong, I'd be like, damn, I don't know 1:51:04.000 --> 1:51:05.200 Colin asked me to do anything. 1:51:05.200 --> 1:51:06.600 I'm like, what the I do it? 1:51:06.960 --> 1:51:09.760 I'm like, I don't know why where like? 1:51:09.960 --> 1:51:12.080 But but it's real. 1:51:12.200 --> 1:51:16.920 It's so crazy because now realness ship, it's the. 1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:19.600 Realness who you are. It's the humbleness and like you 1:51:20.200 --> 1:51:23.479 just all said, the legacy. You're a super super legend. 1:51:23.479 --> 1:51:27.600 You're an icon. And I don't think there's anybody on 1:51:27.680 --> 1:51:31.200 this planet that, if you call yourself, is going to 1:51:31.280 --> 1:51:32.160 say no to you. 1:51:32.320 --> 1:51:34.600 Why you say that, because now he gonna look like 1:51:34.720 --> 1:51:36.040 he's a fucking genius. 1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:41.400 He is a genius. You're honest with you, man. 1:51:41.479 --> 1:51:43.000 But how do you know that that's not something that 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:45.639 you wouldn't I can see him saying, but you're saying 1:51:45.720 --> 1:51:46.040 that too. 1:51:46.280 --> 1:51:48.639 I don't listen, man, I don't know no other ways. 1:51:48.640 --> 1:51:49.960 You're never going to see that in yourself. 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:52.640 That's right about that. And my mother used to be 1:51:52.920 --> 1:51:56.320 so upset, like, yo, what's wrong with you? Because I'd 1:51:56.320 --> 1:51:57.960 be like, I guess what I saw last night? He 1:51:58.040 --> 1:52:01.320 was like, so, like, you know again, but this is 1:52:01.439 --> 1:52:04.200 just me. I just I know that the humblest I'm 1:52:04.240 --> 1:52:07.200 humble to a fault. So that's why I mean, like, 1:52:07.360 --> 1:52:08.920 I really can't say it's the position that I'm in. 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:13.040 I never was able to even though I got the status, 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:17.679 I never was able to get to you know that part. 1:52:18.200 --> 1:52:20.479 But it's the long game, and you are reaching that part. 1:52:21.520 --> 1:52:21.720 Yeah. 1:52:21.840 --> 1:52:23.719 Maybe the people that you at one point saw. 1:52:23.760 --> 1:52:25.679 That part, they're not here anymore. 1:52:25.720 --> 1:52:28.280 And that's the part that's that's that I'm gonna go 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:30.840 on that as far as still being here after thirty 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:32.519 six years, to be able to still be. 1:52:36.080 --> 1:52:37.760 And then to be able to say, okay, you know 1:52:37.840 --> 1:52:40.040 what a I went. 1:52:39.920 --> 1:52:42.120 To a party doing the Grammys, and I went to 1:52:42.240 --> 1:52:44.880 the warning party because I'm on Warner right and I 1:52:44.960 --> 1:52:46.800 walked in there. I was feign because it was all 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:50.160 young people and I'm the old head in there, you know. 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:58.040 But I'm like, I'm here with a project getting ready 1:52:58.080 --> 1:53:02.479 to come out in them like three hundred with all 1:53:02.560 --> 1:53:05.439 that shit they got over there, and and I'm over 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:06.840 there getting ready to come out. So it kind of 1:53:06.880 --> 1:53:09.760 bugged me out a little bit that how the fuck 1:53:09.800 --> 1:53:13.720 I'm doing this this long and still be able to 1:53:13.880 --> 1:53:17.560 And then like like I gotta I got announcement. I 1:53:17.600 --> 1:53:20.160 can't make it right now though too. But about the 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:24.360 about the shock the world because because because my label 1:53:25.400 --> 1:53:28.759 is going to be with somebody who did this before, 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:35.479 and we are getting ready to make another impact. You know, 1:53:35.560 --> 1:53:40.559 as far as this, somebody's missing the boat with talent. 1:53:41.920 --> 1:53:45.080 When we signed Nori, we knew he had ten years. 1:53:46.320 --> 1:53:49.640 We're not signing that. Now we signing what's popular. So 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:52.000 now you see why the music business is not doing 1:53:52.080 --> 1:53:54.080 so well. Seeing why you see the mirage of what 1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:57.800 you think is doing well. Nobody's signing no talent. And 1:53:57.880 --> 1:54:01.759 I'm not saying that these everybody that's out it's not talented, 1:54:02.840 --> 1:54:08.240 but the talented people that don't have to worry about you. 1:54:08.400 --> 1:54:12.160 Was there, no you hosted this ship. Leo was like, 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:14.920 fuck the algorithm, f the fucking likes. You come in 1:54:14.960 --> 1:54:17.599 front of me with this bullshit, smeaging shit, all this ship, 1:54:17.840 --> 1:54:21.760 It don't matter. He told every major person in there, 1:54:22.280 --> 1:54:26.400 sign some fucking talent. All right, he did so, So 1:54:26.560 --> 1:54:30.080 this is where we're at at this particular moment. Can 1:54:30.120 --> 1:54:33.200 you rap nigga save says some bars? Okay, now rhyme 1:54:33.480 --> 1:54:35.920 regular but not behind that record? Okay? 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:39.080 Can you sing sing regular? Sing sing now? 1:54:39.080 --> 1:54:43.680 A lovedes in the computer as far as talented people, 1:54:44.120 --> 1:54:47.720 and that's what somebody just said that the major label killed. 1:54:47.520 --> 1:54:51.600 The superstar damn used to be the radio kill. 1:54:52.200 --> 1:54:54.800 So we don't have that. So where is the fifty? 1:54:54.880 --> 1:54:57.560 Where's the where's fucking all these people that you see 1:54:57.600 --> 1:54:59.960 that came out every five years? That was youmongous? Where 1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:01.600 where's them? Where's the snoop? 1:55:01.600 --> 1:55:01.760 Where? 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:04.640 Where are they? We got the same people circling like. 1:55:04.720 --> 1:55:05.960 This and they're there though. 1:55:06.600 --> 1:55:09.040 There's droves of talent, but nobody, nobody doing that. 1:55:09.120 --> 1:55:12.320 That's what Leo was saying. He told the people know 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:16.360 they said, he said, sign some fucking talent and for 1:55:16.440 --> 1:55:19.240 the only labels. He said, Look at hip hop did 1:55:19.360 --> 1:55:22.240 made on y'all motherfucking millionaires. Leo was wild on that day. 1:55:22.520 --> 1:55:24.680 Oh y'all sitting down there. Hip hop did this for 1:55:24.840 --> 1:55:28.720 y'all very well. So that's what I'm saying. I got 1:55:28.800 --> 1:55:31.680 that part. Damn, I forgot that far. Yeah, you were 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:33.880 talking about that ship because because the only way he 1:55:33.920 --> 1:55:35.040 don't call him don't fuck with him. 1:55:39.280 --> 1:55:39.879 That dame. 1:55:44.040 --> 1:55:47.280 Me because I was like branking the crowd and ship. 1:55:47.560 --> 1:55:50.320 Jay didn't want to be pranked, and I did not 1:55:50.440 --> 1:55:52.840 break him either, but they told him to do it. 1:55:55.680 --> 1:55:56.840 Break everyone around. 1:55:56.600 --> 1:55:59.920 Him, but not that table was crazy though, Swiss Beads, 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:03.160 Jermaine Duprex, Jay and and Puppy. 1:56:03.960 --> 1:56:05.480 Yeah, it was wrong. 1:56:06.200 --> 1:56:08.200 Are you following what's happening with Wendy Williams? 1:56:10.360 --> 1:56:11.360 Yeah, of course I watched it. 1:56:12.120 --> 1:56:15.240 You know what, what the what are they putting cameras 1:56:15.240 --> 1:56:15.720 in her face? 1:56:17.360 --> 1:56:22.520 She did a series, No nor that ship was supposed 1:56:22.560 --> 1:56:26.720 to be her reintroduction, like she was saying about coming 1:56:26.800 --> 1:56:29.160 back to TV, and then it went left. 1:56:29.280 --> 1:56:29.920 That's what happened. 1:56:29.920 --> 1:56:32.200 And then in that natural thing that. 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:37.080 Was there right, well, she wasn't suposed to shoot that right, 1:56:37.880 --> 1:56:41.440 but somebody signed, shouldn't I think that to me, like 1:56:41.800 --> 1:56:46.240 that dude that was talking, I think that they got paid. Wow, 1:56:47.000 --> 1:56:49.200 you know because again she wasn't supposed to be seen. 1:56:49.680 --> 1:56:50.680 That wasn't supposed to be seen. 1:56:51.080 --> 1:56:54.400 Do you think that's karma coming back because annoy wanted 1:56:54.400 --> 1:56:55.040 to be aggressive? 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:59.200 I'm asking, like you think so because that question you 1:56:59.240 --> 1:57:02.080 already answered that that's what that's what everybody else is 1:57:02.120 --> 1:57:05.480 saying that too, too, like but people do it, you know. 1:57:05.600 --> 1:57:08.520 But again, when you had that magnitude and that all that, 1:57:09.040 --> 1:57:13.320 what are you doing? Oh for you to take home? 1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:21.640 Yeah? Real, and that ship has because I didn't I 1:57:21.720 --> 1:57:24.360 didn't think when these people would let that go down. 1:57:25.200 --> 1:57:28.680 Who's the people's I don't know, but I'm just them 1:57:28.800 --> 1:57:30.080 that that was people. 1:57:29.920 --> 1:57:32.680 That know, not not the family fam. You're right, You're right, nobody. 1:57:33.280 --> 1:57:33.840 I didn't think that. 1:57:34.160 --> 1:57:37.280 That's why you got to be like, yo, who benefited? 1:57:38.640 --> 1:57:40.640 And you said, I think it's like the manager and 1:57:40.800 --> 1:57:44.200 that guy that was you know, to me, did they 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:44.960 kept showing them? 1:57:46.200 --> 1:57:46.360 You know? 1:57:47.440 --> 1:57:47.680 Yeah? 1:57:47.960 --> 1:57:51.160 You said the karma karma is the motherfucker though, man. 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:54.520 I mean because he made a living putting people in 1:57:54.640 --> 1:57:57.960 the vulnerable positions, and now it's like she's going out 1:57:58.760 --> 1:58:01.360 at that same vulnerable visit position that she tried to 1:58:01.400 --> 1:58:01.880 like put. 1:58:01.800 --> 1:58:02.480 Everyone else on. 1:58:02.600 --> 1:58:06.360 And I'm like, I'm just I'm just curious, because I mean, 1:58:07.440 --> 1:58:09.120 she's the queen of black media. 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:12.600 That's one thing you can't take from it. After Oprah Rumphrey, 1:58:12.680 --> 1:58:14.600 that was it was her. I didn't know how big 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:17.240 she wasn't even that all those years she was on Like, 1:58:17.360 --> 1:58:18.960 I'm like, god, damn, she was that crazy. 1:58:19.040 --> 1:58:20.840 She was big like that, Like I remember at one 1:58:20.880 --> 1:58:24.520 point I wish she dissed me like sweater, yeah, because 1:58:24.560 --> 1:58:28.480 it was like you you like got somewhere if she 1:58:28.600 --> 1:58:29.160 had beef with. 1:58:29.200 --> 1:58:32.240 You, like and if you see, what does this say 1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:34.240 about somebody not saying your name recently? 1:58:34.400 --> 1:58:37.280 Of Tupac, I always wish, yes. 1:58:37.240 --> 1:58:40.120 I wanted to want to be kind of did this you, 1:58:40.200 --> 1:58:44.000 but he just didn't say your name when he did 1:58:44.080 --> 1:58:44.320 see it. 1:58:44.440 --> 1:58:47.360 When he did mob Deep, he said, and those other motherfuckers. 1:58:48.920 --> 1:58:52.520 Okay, right, okay, remember. 1:58:54.480 --> 1:58:54.800 What you. 1:58:57.080 --> 1:59:01.560 He was talking about? Because because I was, I never 1:59:01.600 --> 1:59:03.360 even peeked that when he said the motherucker. 1:59:03.760 --> 1:59:04.880 I gotta go back to out. 1:59:05.320 --> 1:59:06.440 Because it never came out of fish. 1:59:06.560 --> 1:59:07.560 It was those those mixtapes. 1:59:08.560 --> 1:59:10.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was hilarious. 1:59:10.960 --> 1:59:12.520 He said, I wish he said my name. 1:59:12.560 --> 1:59:13.960 I would have been ill. I would have been. 1:59:16.240 --> 1:59:20.920 I mean, you know, Tyler said this and a funny 1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:23.680 way to us on our show, and he said, even 1:59:23.720 --> 1:59:27.360 when Kanye West diss you, he picked you up because 1:59:27.400 --> 1:59:29.440 if he diss you, it's like you have a new 1:59:29.560 --> 1:59:32.080 single out, everyone wants. 1:59:31.960 --> 1:59:35.200 To talk to you. And I, oh, no, that, Like, 1:59:35.440 --> 1:59:37.480 what what did I thought about it? He was like, 1:59:38.040 --> 1:59:40.920 I got fifteen interviews over the drink chat and I 1:59:41.040 --> 1:59:41.400 was just like. 1:59:41.440 --> 1:59:45.480 What, You're right, but the certain way say it like 1:59:45.600 --> 1:59:47.920 that the two parts you write about that because if 1:59:47.960 --> 1:59:51.840 your name, that means everybody heard it. Anybody who's normy. 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:55.960 Right, remember Tino Excel, like who was? Yeah? 1:59:56.120 --> 2:00:00.800 But I remember everyone inquiring about Gino Excel because Tupac 2:00:00.960 --> 2:00:03.480 disst them, and Tupac was like show and you know 2:00:03.560 --> 2:00:07.080 it's like Xcel fuck you too, who fucks you know ourselves? 2:00:07.240 --> 2:00:09.040 And everybody went and I don't know if she and 2:00:09.200 --> 2:00:14.240 Xcel nigga for a week and I love but I 2:00:14.360 --> 2:00:17.040 remember people who didn't know about hip hop was like 2:00:17.720 --> 2:00:20.440 Google was at that time, it wasn't Google back then. 2:00:20.560 --> 2:00:21.640 Whatever Google wasn't the time. 2:00:21.680 --> 2:00:23.640 It was like, yeah, but it doesn't. 2:00:23.360 --> 2:00:25.320 Always end that well, so we got to be honest 2:00:25.320 --> 2:00:27.440 about that point. It doesn't always. Yes, it's true. 2:00:27.920 --> 2:00:31.440 In sidebar, I got the runs. You know what I was. 2:00:32.200 --> 2:00:36.360 I was shipping from six o'clock to like eight thirty. Seriously, 2:00:36.400 --> 2:00:38.960 this is crazy, and I got the bummer gus now 2:00:40.120 --> 2:00:42.120 all another I got to b g and I don't 2:00:42.160 --> 2:00:45.480 know what what part that would get up because you 2:00:45.520 --> 2:00:48.640 went up whatever, I know, but my other ship is 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:50.240 coming here trying to put it on me was like, 2:00:50.280 --> 2:00:50.920 you gotta take. 2:00:52.320 --> 2:00:54.280 I was just letting I know this avoided because. 2:00:54.160 --> 2:00:54.480 You want to. 2:00:56.400 --> 2:00:58.800 K got a great victice like, no, I get it. 2:00:58.960 --> 2:01:02.280 I'm not scared to do that shop in public. I'm 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:06.400 not saying the bag that I was since six thirty 2:01:07.440 --> 2:01:09.200 and I figured that, you know what, damn, I get 2:01:09.240 --> 2:01:14.240 to drink Champs and Champs. What happened was that I 2:01:14.320 --> 2:01:17.360 hate some watermelon and because if you eat something else 2:01:18.800 --> 2:01:20.840 is come and you gotta be careful. You got to 2:01:20.880 --> 2:01:21.360 be careful with. 2:01:21.400 --> 2:01:23.080 That before you go to the back of Actally, just 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:23.480 one question. 2:01:23.600 --> 2:01:24.400 I'm not going to go right now. 2:01:24.440 --> 2:01:25.560 But business. 2:01:26.160 --> 2:01:27.880 I got to say a second too. It could be. 2:01:29.400 --> 2:01:32.160 We don't want to record hostile. There's always been that part. 2:01:32.480 --> 2:01:36.920 He's I got a right to be hostile, right, Who 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:37.600 the fuck was that? 2:01:37.680 --> 2:01:42.600 That's from the public Enemy album at play? But somebody 2:01:42.680 --> 2:01:46.480 from that that's on that lawn. No, that's from the 2:01:46.520 --> 2:01:51.160 public Y albums right when it comes on from from 2:01:51.240 --> 2:01:53.160 Taking Taking? What's that? 2:01:55.160 --> 2:01:55.400 Damn? 2:01:55.600 --> 2:01:57.680 It's not without a pause. It's one of them records 2:01:57.800 --> 2:02:02.680 before that. I got it from there, not mar Lauren. No, 2:02:03.040 --> 2:02:08.560 not Flavor you know Flavors boys, you would I thought 2:02:08.600 --> 2:02:13.720 it could have been could have been Grie right, yeah, 2:02:13.920 --> 2:02:16.080 I wasn't fall Who was. 2:02:16.200 --> 2:02:20.320 Who was your biggest influence in hip hop before you. 2:02:20.400 --> 2:02:21.560 Got on run? 2:02:23.080 --> 2:02:25.040 And then the number one number. 2:02:24.800 --> 2:02:26.600 One and the niggas and the niggas around the way, 2:02:26.800 --> 2:02:29.240 like from the Nigga on the way, Yeah, some dude 2:02:29.320 --> 2:02:33.240 named Burgermeister and some dude named Amazing these guys. Was 2:02:33.600 --> 2:02:35.240 was the one that was in the neighborhood. But this 2:02:35.360 --> 2:02:36.600 kid named Frankie. 2:02:37.800 --> 2:02:40.760 It was done Ellen. I remember these. 2:02:40.640 --> 2:02:42.520 People, man, like when when I'm coming back with my names, 2:02:42.720 --> 2:02:43.280 these guys. 2:02:43.240 --> 2:02:44.920 Was somebody's special, you know. 2:02:45.360 --> 2:02:45.480 Uh. 2:02:46.160 --> 2:02:46.600 One c. 2:02:48.400 --> 2:02:54.360 H my boy Patrick, Like, this is where I was 2:02:54.440 --> 2:02:57.680 able to get my ship from from the neighborhood. First, 2:02:58.200 --> 2:03:01.200 before Rappers of Light came out, like he writes the 2:03:01.280 --> 2:03:05.000 music right, rappers like came out and turned my whole 2:03:05.000 --> 2:03:05.560 ship around. 2:03:05.680 --> 2:03:08.840 But before that, it was these niggas, you know, just 2:03:08.920 --> 2:03:10.000 around the way to fit right. 2:03:10.240 --> 2:03:10.600 M hm. 2:03:11.520 --> 2:03:13.120 Did you ever think hip hop and make it this far? 2:03:14.440 --> 2:03:15.160 I know it's a cliche. 2:03:15.560 --> 2:03:20.400 Yeah, you sound like the record. Listen, all I want 2:03:20.440 --> 2:03:22.400 to do is go on the radio, so nothing else 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:25.040 really matter. Nobody don't think about that. That's crazy a 2:03:25.120 --> 2:03:26.040 song called crossover. 2:03:26.800 --> 2:03:27.800 No, this is before that. 2:03:29.120 --> 2:03:30.960 When you first start, you don't care about the That's 2:03:30.960 --> 2:03:33.720 why seventh thing didn't matter. I got some feet that 2:03:33.760 --> 2:03:36.080 I went to Marshalls and went to King Collen. I 2:03:36.160 --> 2:03:37.880 got groceries from my moms and went to Marshals. 2:03:37.880 --> 2:03:44.480 And you can get your best gear at Marshall's. See 2:03:44.560 --> 2:03:45.720 that's that's Queen's. 2:03:46.040 --> 2:03:48.600 You know. Nig tried to get me your left back mall. 2:03:48.960 --> 2:03:52.320 Oh queens and them all, Yeah, what happened, yo? 2:03:52.480 --> 2:03:53.920 Niggas tried to get me. I went to go see 2:03:53.960 --> 2:03:56.560 this this chick. They try to rob you and She's like, Yo, 2:03:56.800 --> 2:03:58.320 you gotta leave them all. I said, what say, niggas 2:03:58.320 --> 2:03:59.200 gonna be just trying to get you. 2:04:00.040 --> 2:04:00.200 Damn. 2:04:00.440 --> 2:04:05.520 That's why queens like that, like not like that, na 2:04:05.880 --> 2:04:07.880 far as me. Like when I was when I was 2:04:07.960 --> 2:04:12.200 doing my rounds, it was mostly Brooklyn, Manhattan and the Bronx. 2:04:12.840 --> 2:04:14.440 But since that shit happened to me, nigga tried to 2:04:14.440 --> 2:04:15.800 get me going back there. 2:04:17.280 --> 2:04:20.040 Jesus Man left Racklet's make. 2:04:22.440 --> 2:04:25.160 Because crazy because when you get off right from the 2:04:25.360 --> 2:04:28.840 l A, you go down there whatever whatever, and I'm like, 2:04:29.040 --> 2:04:30.600 the girls said you got to get out of here. 2:04:31.000 --> 2:04:31.920 I'm like, what do you mean? 2:04:32.440 --> 2:04:33.200 Did they come to get you? 2:04:33.360 --> 2:04:36.800 The malls gentified now? Yeah, the malls gentified now yeah, 2:04:37.280 --> 2:04:43.440 it wasn't. Just So, what is your favorite part of 2:04:43.480 --> 2:04:45.840 the game? Is it making the record or performing the record? 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:47.000 What do you mean? 2:04:47.800 --> 2:04:50.360 Like is it you you put in the studio? Like 2:04:51.640 --> 2:04:52.720 making the songs is better? 2:04:52.920 --> 2:04:53.040 You know? 2:04:53.800 --> 2:04:53.960 Yeah? 2:04:54.000 --> 2:04:57.160 Yeah, I mean, like I said, for I I enjoy 2:04:57.880 --> 2:05:00.960 hearing what this record sounds like when when I'm producing 2:05:01.400 --> 2:05:04.520 an artist. So you know, making those Redman records is fun. 2:05:04.960 --> 2:05:07.680 Making Meth records was fun. Making Keep Merry Records fun 2:05:07.880 --> 2:05:10.320 making EPM D Ship was fun though, too, But they 2:05:10.360 --> 2:05:12.560 don't forget I you know, I don't. Did you know 2:05:12.800 --> 2:05:17.040 the jay Z's the fucking the scarfaces, you know, having 2:05:17.120 --> 2:05:19.720 four three two one and having these type of stuff, 2:05:19.760 --> 2:05:22.080 you know, these records that's out there was fun. 2:05:22.280 --> 2:05:22.440 You know. 2:05:23.000 --> 2:05:26.040 Doing R and B was fun. You know, I did 2:05:26.160 --> 2:05:27.920 much R and B and I did hip hop music. 2:05:28.360 --> 2:05:30.520 But don't you know, you don't people don't see me 2:05:30.600 --> 2:05:32.320 and be like, oh, yeah, I did the Angelo, I 2:05:32.400 --> 2:05:35.880 did Chicle, the Barge, I did these people. You know, 2:05:35.960 --> 2:05:38.800 you look at all these groups that people it's like, 2:05:39.080 --> 2:05:41.560 wa have to say, google me. But at the end 2:05:41.600 --> 2:05:43.040 of the day, it's like you could say that you 2:05:43.200 --> 2:05:46.280 did this, but like like know you're saying, I can't 2:05:46.320 --> 2:05:49.440 say it a nigga. You ain't me, right, Like the 2:05:49.560 --> 2:05:51.320 niggas ain't me this. Niggas ain't do what I did 2:05:51.840 --> 2:05:55.720 now not what I did. But again there's nobody. I 2:05:55.800 --> 2:05:58.680 don't bark, so there's no vocals, no vocals to be 2:05:58.800 --> 2:06:02.560 able to say, yo. You know, I'm like the underrated nigga, 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:04.400 but not the underrated nigga, you know. 2:06:04.400 --> 2:06:04.800 What I'm saying. 2:06:04.840 --> 2:06:08.280 But when it comes down to me doing rap, music, 2:06:08.360 --> 2:06:11.600 but doing R and B two right because they had 2:06:11.680 --> 2:06:17.080 the opportunities of groups that came to me for your 2:06:17.160 --> 2:06:19.720 your era of producing R and B. I'm talking about 2:06:19.720 --> 2:06:21.880 the ones, the groups that I would have had that 2:06:22.000 --> 2:06:24.800 you could have been behind one hundred percent. Ray Korn, 2:06:24.880 --> 2:06:26.360 I could have had that. I could have had the 2:06:26.400 --> 2:06:30.000 Wu Tang clan. What wait, wait, wait, go back, I 2:06:30.040 --> 2:06:33.880 could have had game. You're going too fast, way too fast. 2:06:34.440 --> 2:06:37.200 Go back to Ray What do you mean you could 2:06:37.200 --> 2:06:39.920 have had? Could have had on They showed the show 2:06:39.960 --> 2:06:41.840 he's this all this stuff and that this is all 2:06:42.040 --> 2:06:45.680 documented forget. But again, had his father had a church, 2:06:45.880 --> 2:06:46.880 you should be sitting here, bro. 2:06:47.800 --> 2:06:48.120 We don't. 2:06:49.160 --> 2:06:52.640 As far as he drunk without drinking, he had a 2:06:52.720 --> 2:06:55.040 church of Staaten Allen. But now it took me to 2:06:55.400 --> 2:06:59.760 an apartment in park Hill and the Wu Tang clan 2:06:59.800 --> 2:07:03.280 before day was Wu Tang clan was out there. I 2:07:03.360 --> 2:07:05.840 got a picture that's going over that we can't find 2:07:06.200 --> 2:07:08.560 me on my eye rock with all them in the 2:07:09.040 --> 2:07:13.040 on the irack and me before the Wu Tang Clan. 2:07:13.480 --> 2:07:16.760 Now I take a walk to Ray Korn steps of 2:07:16.920 --> 2:07:19.480 his apartment. His name was Sha Lah at the time. 2:07:19.560 --> 2:07:22.160 Whatever he sit down there. He tells them the interview 2:07:22.360 --> 2:07:23.480 I almost signed with Eric. 2:07:25.200 --> 2:07:28.000 Oh, so before Wu Tang launches, yes this, they ain't 2:07:28.040 --> 2:07:30.880 even know they know Wu Tang clan. 2:07:31.000 --> 2:07:31.760 Yes eighty nine. 2:07:33.040 --> 2:07:36.000 So this is your same thing with Biggie. Biggie's around you. 2:07:36.400 --> 2:07:39.760 You don't know Ray none. 2:07:39.840 --> 2:07:45.400 Ludicris the game, all of them fifty You saw Coury 2:07:45.440 --> 2:07:48.360 when he tells that niggas coming fifty centers like how 2:07:48.440 --> 2:07:50.800 to rob is out whatever, such and such and now 2:07:50.880 --> 2:07:52.320 he got to figure out what to do with him. 2:07:52.320 --> 2:07:54.040 And he knocked on my door because he looked next 2:07:54.040 --> 2:07:56.640 door to me, and he says, Yo, Eric, and you 2:07:56.720 --> 2:07:58.400 know need to take care of this for me. You 2:07:58.480 --> 2:08:01.320 gotta take care of him. That's why I did. You 2:08:01.400 --> 2:08:04.200 don't do it like we do. You on the goddamn record, 2:08:04.480 --> 2:08:05.600 God damn. 2:08:07.080 --> 2:08:10.040 This this soilber drunk. Eric Sermon's out of control. 2:08:12.200 --> 2:08:12.320 Yo. 2:08:12.960 --> 2:08:15.320 So let me ask you, does that make you paranoid? 2:08:16.560 --> 2:08:19.480 Niggas out like we do? Next thing? You know, he 2:08:19.600 --> 2:08:20.680 gets shot, But. 2:08:20.760 --> 2:08:23.120 Does that make you paranoid that any artists you come 2:08:23.160 --> 2:08:25.600 across might be the next one but you're not seeing it. 2:08:26.720 --> 2:08:29.960 I turned down nas, I turned down the Fujis. I 2:08:30.080 --> 2:08:32.920 turned down. Fucking this this Olban's artists. 2:08:33.120 --> 2:08:35.120 Don't turn down. Looks sunny, he's about to give you 2:08:35.160 --> 2:08:35.560 a demo. 2:08:36.920 --> 2:08:37.680 Turn down. 2:08:40.960 --> 2:08:42.080 Look he's got the jewels. 2:08:43.680 --> 2:08:45.280 Yo, I'm gonna take a break. 2:08:46.480 --> 2:08:47.240 I got his next. 2:08:47.800 --> 2:08:50.600 It's a part to where like some parts of mistakes 2:08:50.680 --> 2:08:52.720 I made in my life, the mistakes I wish I 2:08:52.760 --> 2:08:56.000 would have been able to to know that, to hear 2:08:56.080 --> 2:08:59.120 what Nas was saying, because again, that was the Illmatic 2:08:59.200 --> 2:08:59.880 album and I had. 2:08:59.840 --> 2:09:03.320 No idea prior to him doing So okay, wait, what 2:09:03.600 --> 2:09:05.920 what part of NAS do you meet him? 2:09:06.000 --> 2:09:06.320 Is it like? 2:09:07.160 --> 2:09:09.840 This is this is producing ill madic, I'm coming for 2:09:09.920 --> 2:09:12.200 you to be a producer, right and you just didn't 2:09:12.800 --> 2:09:15.320 I did, But I did. I did see less records. 2:09:15.600 --> 2:09:18.080 I wasn't paying attention to him, like, oh you didn't 2:09:18.080 --> 2:09:18.640 give them you all? 2:09:18.920 --> 2:09:18.960 No? 2:09:19.600 --> 2:09:19.880 Wow? 2:09:20.520 --> 2:09:20.560 No? 2:09:22.800 --> 2:09:24.400 And after he left me, but no, I took him 2:09:24.400 --> 2:09:37.160 to Pete Rock at least his job, Yo. I did. 2:09:37.360 --> 2:09:39.600 I did records with him, like like three songs, you know, 2:09:39.880 --> 2:09:42.160 So you were just being what argant at the time, 2:09:42.600 --> 2:09:46.160 It wasn't that, don't because I had my own artists, right, 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:49.000 and my head squad's already happening at that time. 2:09:49.280 --> 2:09:53.200 Yes, so I don't. I can't hear what queens. 2:09:53.320 --> 2:09:55.680 I'm from Long Island, so I don't know about Queen's 2:09:55.760 --> 2:09:58.440 Bridge and the type of struggle when the whole that 2:09:58.480 --> 2:10:02.920 shit my niggas obvious about get bound and you know, 2:10:03.960 --> 2:10:09.480 then uh yes, bump, and then Reggie got as bitch, 2:10:09.560 --> 2:10:11.880 and then Murray's over here, like you know, so all 2:10:11.960 --> 2:10:13.240 this is too much. 2:10:13.280 --> 2:10:16.080 Right right now, we're all looking in retrospects, so it's 2:10:16.080 --> 2:10:17.120 easy to say that now. 2:10:17.320 --> 2:10:18.360 But I get it now. 2:10:18.400 --> 2:10:21.240 In that landscape, you had the top tier artist already. 2:10:21.560 --> 2:10:22.120 It wasn't. 2:10:23.480 --> 2:10:26.640 If I would like if I if he had this, 2:10:27.000 --> 2:10:29.720 the same type of stuff that you. 2:10:29.760 --> 2:10:32.240 Know, he turned out. I heard that he said he 2:10:32.320 --> 2:10:34.440 gave He gave me seedless beats. 2:10:34.520 --> 2:10:36.280 He said, hey, you can just throw away. 2:10:36.480 --> 2:10:37.080 He didn't believe. 2:10:38.120 --> 2:10:40.800 He just he just rhymed on what I gave him. 2:10:40.840 --> 2:10:42.680 But I knew it. It wasn't strong. He didn't give 2:10:42.720 --> 2:10:52.120 him his best, Yeah, because I didn't understand it. But 2:10:52.240 --> 2:10:56.480 the coolest nigga in the planet, Oh my god, we again, 2:10:56.760 --> 2:10:58.680 it was so long ago. I don't even know if 2:10:58.720 --> 2:11:03.120 he if he would remember how the sessions went, but again, whatever, 2:11:03.640 --> 2:11:05.600 he just he rocked on what I gave him. 2:11:06.000 --> 2:11:08.240 But you weren't ad the sessions, were you what you 2:11:08.320 --> 2:11:10.320 weren't being a dick in the session. No, hell no, 2:11:10.560 --> 2:11:12.560 you just to give him your best. I just wasn't 2:11:12.560 --> 2:11:12.960 pay attient. 2:11:13.160 --> 2:11:15.560 I didn't like do the natural thing that you do 2:11:15.680 --> 2:11:17.840 in the studio where you're making records and you like 2:11:18.400 --> 2:11:19.120 it happened like that. 2:11:20.080 --> 2:11:22.160 It was lost pro, it was you. It was you 2:11:22.520 --> 2:11:23.560 was lost pro. 2:11:24.120 --> 2:11:26.320 He took him to Rock after him, he took him 2:11:26.320 --> 2:11:26.840 to pe Rock. 2:11:31.200 --> 2:11:35.520 I love this story and then then again again but no, 2:11:35.840 --> 2:11:36.720 I mean the Foojie is. 2:11:36.680 --> 2:11:39.680 And I was like, you're like Jersey, I don't know 2:11:39.680 --> 2:11:40.360 about Jersey's. 2:11:40.800 --> 2:11:42.920 No, this this wasn't right because it was Haitians with 2:11:43.000 --> 2:11:43.720 Jamaica accents. 2:11:43.800 --> 2:11:51.880 No, if it wasn't, If it wasn't for I think 2:11:51.960 --> 2:11:55.640 Salon Remy bro that changed the game. 2:11:55.760 --> 2:12:00.440 If I would have had but that REMI no, no, no, 2:12:00.520 --> 2:12:01.640 that was boom back. 2:12:01.800 --> 2:12:01.920 Was it? 2:12:02.440 --> 2:12:04.400 How many mics? Right? How many mics? 2:12:04.920 --> 2:12:06.560 How many many man that one? 2:12:06.680 --> 2:12:08.840 Yeah? Yeah? That whatever that remix was, it changed the 2:12:08.880 --> 2:12:11.640 game for DJ Buddy, It changed everybody's. 2:12:11.480 --> 2:12:18.000 Because again, in the beginning of it wasn't Wow, Oh 2:12:18.080 --> 2:12:19.200 so you had Salon do it? 2:12:25.960 --> 2:12:28.160 What k. 2:12:29.880 --> 2:12:33.080 Oh, Yeah he did just so sorry, Yeah that's here 2:12:33.120 --> 2:12:34.520 he's he's right here in the backyard. 2:12:34.600 --> 2:12:36.879 Yeah yeah, yeah, there. 2:12:38.800 --> 2:12:38.840 Not. 2:12:38.960 --> 2:12:41.760 But my boy brought me game to the to the 2:12:42.120 --> 2:12:43.440 to the Fox Hills. 2:12:43.240 --> 2:12:46.960 Mall, and and and in l A. You shopping in 2:12:47.000 --> 2:12:47.680 fox Hills Mall. 2:12:47.720 --> 2:12:48.400 That's the hood mall? 2:12:48.920 --> 2:12:50.800 Yeah, but no, he was in New York. 2:12:50.840 --> 2:12:51.160 Is coming. 2:12:51.200 --> 2:12:52.960 I stopped, all right, so. 2:12:54.720 --> 2:12:59.560 Yeah, you're right, that's your next sortist. Remember, don't don't 2:12:59.560 --> 2:13:03.080 skip out. You're gonna regret that. You regret this guy. 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:07.720 So he comes, he comes in right. I talked to him. 2:13:07.880 --> 2:13:10.600 I said, yo, spinning sixteen real quick. He didn't know 2:13:10.640 --> 2:13:15.920 what the sixteen ball was game? Right, So when he 2:13:15.960 --> 2:13:17.520 told the story, he says that I was gonna sound 2:13:17.560 --> 2:13:19.800 with Eric, but he wasn't ready, so I sound with fifth. 2:13:23.440 --> 2:13:24.080 So what happened? 2:13:24.200 --> 2:13:26.120 He spit to sixteen? He didn't do it? 2:13:26.280 --> 2:13:26.480 He did. 2:13:26.560 --> 2:13:28.200 I know, he spent Ryan, but he didn't know. 2:13:28.240 --> 2:13:32.600 What You didn't see the talent? 2:13:32.920 --> 2:13:34.720 Oh yeah he was. The game was a game, So 2:13:34.840 --> 2:13:37.120 that was your game. That was the game changing for you. 2:13:37.200 --> 2:13:39.720 That he didn't know the sixteen No, I just didn't. 2:13:39.720 --> 2:13:42.360 I just wasn't like I said, poor. I just told you, man, 2:13:42.400 --> 2:13:43.280 I'm already doing me. 2:13:43.640 --> 2:13:44.840 You just was not into it. 2:13:45.160 --> 2:13:48.560 It wasn't that I'm already doing like I'm out there, 2:13:49.320 --> 2:13:52.240 you're stretched in. No, just the fact that my mine's not. 2:13:52.640 --> 2:13:55.200 I'm already like you said, be poor, not that niggas 2:13:55.280 --> 2:13:58.760 wasn't ill. I just wasn't. I was doing some other ship. 2:13:59.080 --> 2:14:00.000 My mom was someplace else. 2:14:00.080 --> 2:14:00.200 Us. 2:14:01.160 --> 2:14:01.800 It had to be. 2:14:04.560 --> 2:14:10.480 The mississ the Missus Murray, the Missus Keith Murray. 2:14:11.000 --> 2:14:15.120 I'm ready for it, come back, sir. 2:14:16.480 --> 2:14:20.040 When we come back Murray at the end, at the 2:14:20.120 --> 2:14:22.240 end of the day, at the end of. 2:14:22.200 --> 2:14:22.920 The day too. 2:14:24.680 --> 2:14:27.040 And then when that nigga came, it was really a 2:14:27.160 --> 2:14:31.200 problem because again it was like, holy ship, who are you? 2:14:32.000 --> 2:14:36.640 Because don't forget I heard one line on Keith Murray. 2:14:36.800 --> 2:14:38.320 I heard one line on Red Man put them on 2:14:38.400 --> 2:14:40.760 stage that night. Don't forget. If niggas don't know about 2:14:40.880 --> 2:14:43.280 New New Jersey and Cluss Sensations. 2:14:42.760 --> 2:14:44.280 That's how you discover. 2:14:45.160 --> 2:14:47.640 Yeah, I want to go do a show at Cosensations E. 2:14:47.720 --> 2:14:51.760 P and D and New York Brick City. A nine 2:14:53.000 --> 2:14:55.960 ninety smells like a lot of crack. No, but it 2:14:56.120 --> 2:14:59.440 was wall to wall, but they will rob you. Yeah, 2:15:00.120 --> 2:15:02.160 but again the respect lever coming part come in. So 2:15:02.280 --> 2:15:05.000 Reggie is brought in by do it All from those 2:15:05.040 --> 2:15:07.960 of undergrounds. He's not those underground yet, so do it 2:15:08.000 --> 2:15:11.200 All rhymes and he says, yo, my man rap, And 2:15:11.280 --> 2:15:11.960 then Reggie was. 2:15:11.920 --> 2:15:14.960 Like, that's not the mayor now right, do it all? Yeah? Yeah, 2:15:15.080 --> 2:15:18.200 he's the mayor now, not the mayor, he's an a councilman. 2:15:19.160 --> 2:15:20.080 I feel like that's the mayor. 2:15:20.440 --> 2:15:24.320 No, So Reggie said the rhyme like I felt like 2:15:24.360 --> 2:15:27.680 a butterfly stinging like the rock group. So he already 2:15:27.760 --> 2:15:30.960 had me because you're going to say like a be 2:15:31.640 --> 2:15:34.000 he didn't say that metaphor. So I put them on 2:15:34.120 --> 2:15:36.840 stage that night, didn't even know. I'm just freshly like whatever. 2:15:36.840 --> 2:15:39.400 It's like like, yo, what's Reggily doing? What's workman doing 2:15:39.400 --> 2:15:41.400 on the stage? But how you up there? But I 2:15:41.440 --> 2:15:43.360 already knew from the door that I was going to 2:15:43.440 --> 2:15:46.600 fuck with him because of the rhyme. Same thing with 2:15:46.760 --> 2:15:50.240 Keith Murray. I heard one line. He just says, let's 2:15:50.240 --> 2:15:52.600 squash the beef, cook it and we all can get fat. 2:15:52.720 --> 2:15:55.280 So now in my head, all I'm seeing is a 2:15:55.320 --> 2:15:58.400 hamburger inside of the firing passion. 2:15:59.480 --> 2:15:59.920 Raising the. 2:16:01.680 --> 2:16:02.480 To a hamburger. 2:16:03.400 --> 2:16:05.840 Let's squash the beef cooked, we all can get fat. Now, 2:16:05.920 --> 2:16:09.280 who the fuck is metaphorm like that? So again right, 2:16:09.680 --> 2:16:13.040 it's too far at fetched. So I knew what it was, 2:16:13.280 --> 2:16:14.840 you know, I knew from the door what it was. 2:16:15.040 --> 2:16:17.720 And I never you ever get demos or you play 2:16:17.760 --> 2:16:19.760 somebody who's somebody around for you and you hear about 2:16:20.000 --> 2:16:21.640 a couple of bars, and you know off the bat 2:16:21.760 --> 2:16:25.280 like yo, no he's not ill you know that they 2:16:25.280 --> 2:16:26.560 ain't gotta pay you off. But they put you the 2:16:26.600 --> 2:16:29.040 whole record because you gotta listen to it. 2:16:29.120 --> 2:16:32.360 Play the whole record, not with them, not with Red 2:16:32.440 --> 2:16:36.480 and Keep and dost Effects. We didn't get into dostap 2:16:36.520 --> 2:16:38.320 facts too much. Let's talk about. 2:16:42.040 --> 2:16:44.600 Well, we met them at a at their school at 2:16:44.879 --> 2:16:47.959 a rap contest Brooklyn. No, Virginia. 2:16:48.840 --> 2:16:50.160 Dost Effect is not from Brooklyn. 2:16:50.680 --> 2:16:51.680 You know, they went to college. 2:16:52.800 --> 2:16:57.400 That's the childhood Brooklyn from bookly one from Jersey. 2:16:57.959 --> 2:16:59.200 But they met in college. 2:16:59.640 --> 2:17:01.480 In college. They met in college and there was a 2:17:01.560 --> 2:17:05.840 rap contest and we let these other guys win because 2:17:05.879 --> 2:17:08.880 we knew that were going to fuck with them. Oh 2:17:09.000 --> 2:17:13.560 ship one hundred dollars. You let the other guys win. Yeah, okay, 2:17:14.080 --> 2:17:16.600 because we knew that they were going to eventually fuck 2:17:16.680 --> 2:17:21.039 with these guys, because the day was already to advance. Yes, wow, 2:17:21.640 --> 2:17:24.080 there was advanced that did that that. You see what happened? 2:17:25.240 --> 2:17:27.280 You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, they was 2:17:28.080 --> 2:17:30.680 they was ready, you know, for some reason, they were 2:17:30.760 --> 2:17:34.680 just ready, you know. And and Sylvia Romes. So Sylvias 2:17:34.720 --> 2:17:38.680 signed all those people that's different, you know, Buster Rhymes, 2:17:38.800 --> 2:17:43.000 Missy Elliott's Effects case Solo, like everybody that was different. 2:17:43.240 --> 2:17:46.400 Sylvia signed all those people who were just like different 2:17:46.440 --> 2:17:49.560 that people would be like, yeah, yeah she did. 2:17:49.720 --> 2:17:57.160 Yeah yeah for Sylvia wrong. Yeah, woman, strong black women 2:17:57.240 --> 2:17:59.680 out there still getting it too, still getting it still 2:18:01.040 --> 2:18:02.160 hold on, let me get to my notes. 2:18:03.240 --> 2:18:05.680 So y'all discuss Keith Murray already? No, man? 2:18:06.160 --> 2:18:06.600 What what? 2:18:06.959 --> 2:18:07.760 What? What is it? 2:18:07.840 --> 2:18:07.960 You know? 2:18:08.160 --> 2:18:10.920 I want to just talk about just how you just 2:18:11.080 --> 2:18:13.920 talking about do effects the meeting Keith Murray because he 2:18:14.040 --> 2:18:16.640 was post uh his squad. 2:18:17.040 --> 2:18:19.680 He wasn't in his squad. No, he wasn't death squad, right, 2:18:20.320 --> 2:18:21.240 So what was that? 2:18:21.520 --> 2:18:22.080 How did that beg? 2:18:22.240 --> 2:18:24.040 Yeah? I mean of course it was like in the beginning, 2:18:24.120 --> 2:18:28.039 nobody wanted to listen. Nobody wanted to sign Dos Effects again, 2:18:28.120 --> 2:18:30.240 but no, I went out there and that's why nobody 2:18:30.280 --> 2:18:33.040 wanted to sign them because nobody definitely didn't like him 2:18:33.920 --> 2:18:35.359 deaf like red Man either. 2:18:36.680 --> 2:18:37.840 That's crazy man. 2:18:38.440 --> 2:18:39.880 He's like a death jam child. 2:18:40.480 --> 2:18:42.800 And then Leo called in like then like Keith Murray. 2:18:43.200 --> 2:18:45.760 So that's why Keith Murray was no on death sham job. 2:18:45.879 --> 2:18:46.840 He was on job y. 2:18:47.560 --> 2:18:51.200 But Russell was pissed because Russell didn't know that Leo 2:18:51.400 --> 2:18:52.600 had turned down Keith Murray. 2:18:52.680 --> 2:18:55.760 So they're not always right. Let's be honest, we've. 2:18:55.560 --> 2:18:57.840 Been I'm just saying you guys were. 2:18:57.840 --> 2:18:58.920 Saying how much how right there? 2:18:59.320 --> 2:19:00.039 They're not all. 2:19:01.959 --> 2:19:05.080 But when Keith Murray was in prison and it came home, 2:19:05.480 --> 2:19:08.039 they gave him two point eight million dollars job or. 2:19:08.480 --> 2:19:09.039 A death jam. 2:19:09.120 --> 2:19:10.879 I was on that, I was, I was on tour. 2:19:10.959 --> 2:19:12.160 I was on tour with Keith Murray. 2:19:12.480 --> 2:19:16.280 So I don't forget that. The can you imagine Jay? 2:19:16.480 --> 2:19:18.640 None of them got no no deal like that. Nobody 2:19:18.800 --> 2:19:21.680 made no he's got no deal like Murray got coming 2:19:21.720 --> 2:19:25.400 home from prison three years from prison two point seven 2:19:25.520 --> 2:19:28.600 million dollars at that time. Right, that's crazy, And they 2:19:28.680 --> 2:19:31.280 gave job the six hundred and Murray kept the rest. 2:19:31.840 --> 2:19:35.880 Wow the contract. Get him out of the Contray, I 2:19:35.879 --> 2:19:38.800 don't forget. So now you got fatty girl coming special 2:19:38.920 --> 2:19:42.600 delivery like this is this niggas you expect she's about 2:19:42.640 --> 2:19:45.960 to be He's back to back like this, Leil like, YO, 2:19:46.520 --> 2:19:49.040 give him that. So he ended up being that death 2:19:49.120 --> 2:19:53.640 jam later on two thousand and three. Later, but you 2:19:53.720 --> 2:19:57.680 know it happened. But in the beginning, Leo didn't tell 2:19:58.040 --> 2:20:01.680 Russell that he turned to start WOW. 2:20:02.879 --> 2:20:07.000 So suggests Keith, married, I got to you. You said 2:20:07.000 --> 2:20:08.640 you wanted to use You want him to come. 2:20:09.000 --> 2:20:12.520 I love to come on the show. 2:20:13.320 --> 2:20:13.520 We do. 2:20:14.400 --> 2:20:16.119 But wait, but I understand your point of view. 2:20:19.240 --> 2:20:24.360 Keith seeing me at El's rock the balls right sitting outside, 2:20:24.480 --> 2:20:27.200 what the one that just passed two years ago? 2:20:27.280 --> 2:20:28.039 This is two years ago. 2:20:29.760 --> 2:20:34.880 This is like post pandemic. I see Keith. Keith sees me, 2:20:37.200 --> 2:20:39.560 say what's up? But I'm waiting for my people to 2:20:39.600 --> 2:20:43.000 come in. So I'm waiting for my people to come in, 2:20:43.040 --> 2:20:45.440 and security stop me and they say, yo, see what 2:20:45.640 --> 2:20:48.080 you because I'm waiting for my people. So I'm like no, 2:20:49.560 --> 2:20:52.520 because I'm my people is coming down. Keith must have 2:20:52.560 --> 2:20:55.800 took it like I was saying, no, he's not with me. 2:20:57.520 --> 2:21:00.320 I kind of didn't say it like that. And I'm 2:21:00.320 --> 2:21:06.400 gonna tell you why I was in queensed. If I 2:21:06.480 --> 2:21:09.760 was anywhere else in the world and if Keith needed 2:21:10.600 --> 2:21:13.680 to get in, I'm obligated to get a fellow rapper. 2:21:13.800 --> 2:21:16.560 And I'm obligated. But I know he's from Long Island. 2:21:16.560 --> 2:21:18.680 He's going right down the flot He's good. I was 2:21:18.720 --> 2:21:21.320 gonna come get him eventually. I was gonna come get 2:21:21.320 --> 2:21:25.560 an event. But I got these people that waited months 2:21:26.080 --> 2:21:28.880 to see me. I'm to wait it months to see me. 2:21:29.640 --> 2:21:33.000 So I did kind of pick my people over seeing 2:21:33.240 --> 2:21:34.040 where Keith was. 2:21:34.360 --> 2:21:35.440 It was a misunderstanding. 2:21:35.520 --> 2:21:36.680 Man, he's a misunderstanding. 2:21:36.720 --> 2:21:38.280 I want to dress it like a man. I want 2:21:38.320 --> 2:21:40.560 to dress it like a man because how he took it, 2:21:40.760 --> 2:21:42.920 how he took it could have been that way. It 2:21:42.959 --> 2:21:45.240 could have been because it was just a spirit moment 2:21:45.640 --> 2:21:47.440 like me, like I died him and that's not me. 2:21:47.879 --> 2:21:50.200 That's what this whole show is about. It's give him flowers. 2:21:50.440 --> 2:21:52.400 When I see a fellow legend, I want to salute 2:21:52.400 --> 2:21:55.200 a legend. But at the same time, I don't do 2:21:55.360 --> 2:21:57.320 shows no more. Eric, you said you don't leave the couch. 2:21:57.360 --> 2:21:58.760 I don't leave the motherfucking couch. 2:21:58.879 --> 2:22:05.920 You've come. He'll couch outside up. 2:22:07.560 --> 2:22:08.800 These places. 2:22:09.879 --> 2:22:13.520 Spot to be there. So when I'm there and I'm 2:22:13.560 --> 2:22:18.400 seeing a fellow person clear these restaurants, I don't, I don't. 2:22:18.879 --> 2:22:19.640 Let's be clear. 2:22:24.560 --> 2:22:25.120 We all know. 2:22:25.800 --> 2:22:29.880 We all know to a certain extent, Keith is a 2:22:30.000 --> 2:22:34.840 liability to a certain extent, I did not want to 2:22:34.879 --> 2:22:38.640 be responsible for the person that let Keith, and knowing 2:22:38.720 --> 2:22:40.160 that he has relationship. 2:22:39.720 --> 2:22:40.120 With l L. 2:22:40.200 --> 2:22:42.480 We're all here for l L, regardless of your check 2:22:42.560 --> 2:22:44.800 is involved or not, be a dire for l L. 2:22:45.640 --> 2:22:48.320 I didn't want to be the guy, the snick Keith 2:22:48.440 --> 2:22:52.840 marry Inn and he do some great He fought on 2:22:52.920 --> 2:22:55.520 the mic. We've seen him far on the mic and 2:22:55.560 --> 2:22:58.240 Big Face Gary Show. We see him standing in front 2:22:58.240 --> 2:23:03.680 of the the streets stopping cars. We seen him jump 2:23:03.760 --> 2:23:09.160 on top of a girl's back. It's all documented, guys, 2:23:09.720 --> 2:23:11.920 this is all on the internet. So I felt at 2:23:11.959 --> 2:23:15.000 that time I didn't want to be responsible. But did 2:23:15.080 --> 2:23:17.240 I just Keith? Hell no, that's not what I meant 2:23:17.280 --> 2:23:18.040 that was not my intention. 2:23:18.680 --> 2:23:20.760 That was not my intentions. But my intention was to 2:23:20.800 --> 2:23:22.119 protect myself though as well. 2:23:22.160 --> 2:23:23.400 I got you, yeah, you know what. 2:23:24.640 --> 2:23:26.119 So he went, so, this is why I was mad. 2:23:26.160 --> 2:23:27.119 This is the reason why I was mad. 2:23:28.080 --> 2:23:29.880 He told the story on Big Face Gary Show. 2:23:31.320 --> 2:23:34.080 I laughed at it. It was cool. I seen him 2:23:34.200 --> 2:23:37.560 with you after that. Do you know where we see 2:23:37.600 --> 2:23:37.920 each other? 2:23:39.600 --> 2:23:39.960 Once? 2:23:40.440 --> 2:23:41.400 I seen him. 2:23:43.120 --> 2:23:45.560 Be to you once, I I can't right to want 2:23:45.560 --> 2:23:48.600 to say, Keith, I said, I didn't mean it like that. 2:23:48.879 --> 2:23:51.960 He said, Yo, are we good? And he said we're good. 2:23:52.400 --> 2:23:54.880 He smiled at me, and we actually have it on 2:23:55.240 --> 2:23:57.520 foot of me, in front. 2:23:57.320 --> 2:23:58.800 Of the knock, in front of him because I didn't 2:23:58.800 --> 2:23:59.280 step to him. 2:23:59.280 --> 2:24:01.440 It wasn't like I was like, what you now. I 2:24:01.520 --> 2:24:04.640 was just like, yo, broderstand. 2:24:05.320 --> 2:24:06.560 Me red Man. 2:24:07.000 --> 2:24:08.160 We shook hands. 2:24:09.040 --> 2:24:11.560 We have it on tape. Then he goes on Willie 2:24:11.600 --> 2:24:14.840 d Show and he goes, I heard Nordy got five 2:24:14.879 --> 2:24:17.960 million dollars and he turned he's by the way, I 2:24:17.959 --> 2:24:21.040 don't know what this fucking rumor about, and he's like, yeah, 2:24:21.440 --> 2:24:24.240 so soon as Noory, you know, got money, he started 2:24:24.360 --> 2:24:26.920 changing on me and I'm like that I've never changed. 2:24:27.040 --> 2:24:29.760 There's one incident, is that rock the Bells you have 2:24:30.000 --> 2:24:30.879 records with LL. 2:24:30.959 --> 2:24:32.880 I think I feel like l L is obligated to 2:24:32.920 --> 2:24:36.160 get you in more than me, more than me. I'm 2:24:36.200 --> 2:24:37.199 here for our job. 2:24:39.400 --> 2:24:42.080 I mean, oh, I know the fact that this man, yeah, 2:24:42.320 --> 2:24:47.000 if you know, keep from every story and he never 2:24:47.120 --> 2:24:50.520 told that story. You know, like no parents, the way 2:24:50.560 --> 2:24:53.120 that his parents died, the where his sistant them died, 2:24:53.240 --> 2:24:55.840 oh bless the way that he had to help stuff 2:24:55.959 --> 2:24:58.680 down as a young eighteen year old kids on the block. 2:24:58.840 --> 2:25:03.800 Who funded who funded everybody? People? We had biggest, small 2:25:03.840 --> 2:25:06.360 than the hood people. We had noads in the hood 2:25:06.959 --> 2:25:08.320 like these people they fuck. 2:25:08.400 --> 2:25:13.360 That's the reason why you know he's loved so so like. 2:25:13.400 --> 2:25:18.640 Anybody else who has you know, something that's conflicted right again, 2:25:19.760 --> 2:25:21.920 this is the things you know. Things happened, and. 2:25:21.920 --> 2:25:23.640 It was two things. Let me just tell you what else. 2:25:24.480 --> 2:25:30.080 So as we see each other, I get my people in. 2:25:30.200 --> 2:25:32.800 Who was waiting for thirty minutes, I get them in. 2:25:33.000 --> 2:25:35.320 He was waiting for his time. But then we both 2:25:35.400 --> 2:25:38.000 go to the bathroom. We both come out in the 2:25:38.080 --> 2:25:40.320 bathroom and we were like, he's on one side of 2:25:40.320 --> 2:25:42.240 the bathroom and on the other side of the bathroom 2:25:42.320 --> 2:25:43.480 and we both come out to the bath. 2:25:43.440 --> 2:25:48.279 I don't like giving you know, five after the bathroom, 2:25:48.440 --> 2:25:53.120 it's just thing. Go to the stage. 2:25:53.760 --> 2:25:58.039 I go to the stage, I perform, and Keith says, 2:25:58.120 --> 2:26:00.440 and I have to address this part. He goes, he didn't. 2:26:00.600 --> 2:26:03.520 He didn't stay there when Tragedy performed. Well, I just 2:26:03.600 --> 2:26:05.560 want to explain something to because I gotta address him, 2:26:05.560 --> 2:26:07.360 because he addressed me twice. He did it on Big 2:26:07.360 --> 2:26:09.160 Face Gary Show and did it on Really Defus. 2:26:08.879 --> 2:26:12.360 What you Gotta do with me though, exactly exactly set 2:26:12.400 --> 2:26:17.440 your ass up. So so look, so this is I'm 2:26:17.440 --> 2:26:18.879 not I'm not negative at all though. 2:26:19.560 --> 2:26:21.680 So what happened was, he says, Yo, Normy got on 2:26:21.760 --> 2:26:25.080 stage and when Trag performed, he walked to the side. 2:26:25.920 --> 2:26:27.200 That's called taking a break. 2:26:27.480 --> 2:26:29.920 It's called getting the water break, and it's called that. 2:26:30.120 --> 2:26:33.320 This was my show. I was trying to let Trag shine. 2:26:34.440 --> 2:26:36.360 How could you take that in any other way? 2:26:36.879 --> 2:26:41.480 So I don't watch nobody good things in my class. 2:26:41.480 --> 2:26:45.560 When when I'm done my work, I'm funking out of there. 2:26:46.720 --> 2:26:48.240 And to just be like that too, because I used 2:26:48.240 --> 2:26:50.280 to be like, damn, why niggas going home because I 2:26:50.280 --> 2:26:52.680 didn't understand that when I was younger, Like niggas ain't 2:26:52.680 --> 2:26:56.960 watching my show. I don't give a funk who out there. 2:26:57.040 --> 2:26:59.240 So let me just finish just saying that the fuck home, 2:26:59.480 --> 2:27:04.520 keithver you the only reason why. And by the way 2:27:04.840 --> 2:27:07.640 he said that he turned us down. I don't ever 2:27:07.800 --> 2:27:10.440 remember that. I don't ever remember that. But let me 2:27:10.480 --> 2:27:13.000 just tell you something, Keith. The only reason why we 2:27:13.160 --> 2:27:16.080 didn't take that interview at that time was because of 2:27:16.280 --> 2:27:19.360 us seeing that footage and us being concerned. Yes, do 2:27:19.440 --> 2:27:21.720 we have other people that's on here out of control. 2:27:23.080 --> 2:27:26.320 We have, but we didn't know better and now we do. 2:27:27.000 --> 2:27:27.240 So the. 2:27:28.720 --> 2:27:31.160 One thing that I don't want to do is help. 2:27:31.240 --> 2:27:33.800 Ruin some a legends. But one thing that you you 2:27:33.879 --> 2:27:35.640 got to know though, too, is the fact that so 2:27:35.879 --> 2:27:39.320 Be hereward was right. Yep, fantastic, fantastic. The whole thing 2:27:39.320 --> 2:27:39.959 about it, too is the. 2:27:39.959 --> 2:27:42.640 Fact that once you but they say they good with 2:27:42.840 --> 2:27:43.240 around you. 2:27:44.280 --> 2:27:46.440 But still but still you have to you have to 2:27:46.800 --> 2:27:50.360 all this stuff that could put you in the situation. Yep, 2:27:51.240 --> 2:27:54.160 this is what you can, but it takes away from 2:27:54.280 --> 2:27:55.600 the show. It's called. 2:27:57.680 --> 2:28:04.560 By the way, I'm still me, Yeah, conversations. Your conversation 2:28:04.720 --> 2:28:06.400 is still dope. So that's he's a fake Puerto Rican 2:28:06.480 --> 2:28:11.760 listening and I still find the way it don't. 2:28:11.640 --> 2:28:15.840 Matter without it. So again, the fact that I know 2:28:16.640 --> 2:28:19.920 the conversation would be and that's why I wanted to say, yeah, 2:28:23.040 --> 2:28:29.560 not like every every chance. Is the fact like when 2:28:29.600 --> 2:28:33.040 you when somebody's alone and you know, and they going down, 2:28:33.160 --> 2:28:33.680 and then. 2:28:34.120 --> 2:28:36.680 You know, like because between me and you, like big 2:28:36.760 --> 2:28:38.480 Face Gary told me I had a conversation with Big 2:28:38.480 --> 2:28:40.000 Face Gary, Big Face Gary. I was like, yo, did 2:28:40.080 --> 2:28:43.520 did he drink? And He's like yeah, and I'm like, 2:28:43.600 --> 2:28:46.360 wait a minute. So I didn't want that because I'm like, 2:28:46.360 --> 2:28:48.760 all right, cool, just like how you not drinking? We 2:28:48.840 --> 2:28:51.160 can still do that. But the last thing I want 2:28:51.200 --> 2:28:53.320 to do is he drink. Is someone laughing, he'd take 2:28:53.360 --> 2:28:55.600 a joke the wrong way and try to get physical, 2:28:58.920 --> 2:29:00.560 so something that's like, we don't need that. 2:29:00.879 --> 2:29:03.040 What we need is give you your flowers. 2:29:04.440 --> 2:29:08.400 But I think that the convo that he would give 2:29:08.440 --> 2:29:12.680 you would be fantastic. I think it's gonna happen at 2:29:12.680 --> 2:29:14.440 the end of the day too, which is like, listen 2:29:14.440 --> 2:29:18.000 to the memo I was on drugs for fifteen years. Right, 2:29:19.080 --> 2:29:21.920 I was doing purgocept for from two thousand and eight 2:29:22.000 --> 2:29:25.560 to twenty twenty two. All right, June second to be 2:29:25.680 --> 2:29:30.560 my second will be my two years of me being sober. 2:29:30.879 --> 2:29:32.560 Right, Well, congrats, congrats. 2:29:32.600 --> 2:29:33.360 I just made them money. 2:29:37.280 --> 2:29:39.920 I understand about that substance abuse. 2:29:40.200 --> 2:29:44.240 This is what somebody hass you know, serious and to. 2:29:45.720 --> 2:29:48.560 Anybody that's just They taught me this in the in 2:29:48.600 --> 2:29:51.560 the rehab, I can tell f Intwo he blew in 2:29:51.600 --> 2:29:54.440 the face to go get help. It ain't gonna matter. 2:29:54.840 --> 2:29:59.360 You're so intervendens right before with people. You gotta be ready. 2:30:00.520 --> 2:30:03.080 Everybody needs to start with like, go and talk to 2:30:03.240 --> 2:30:06.199 each other. And who's talking to him, It doesn't matter. 2:30:07.400 --> 2:30:11.400 The individual itself passed the change. I had to say 2:30:11.959 --> 2:30:16.119 two to myself. I got to go inside, even though 2:30:16.240 --> 2:30:19.280 I let all that time go by to where at 2:30:19.360 --> 2:30:24.640 the end, I'm taking these thirties that are mixed with fetnol. 2:30:24.720 --> 2:30:27.080 So when I go in there and take my piss tests, 2:30:27.520 --> 2:30:28.120 they said, oh, you. 2:30:28.160 --> 2:30:31.080 Do fetnol too, don't you. I'm like, I don't do fetanol. 2:30:31.640 --> 2:30:34.360 So that means that the fetnah and the press pills 2:30:34.400 --> 2:30:37.640 I was getting because again the street is provided me. Now, 2:30:37.760 --> 2:30:40.920 now the doctors, I'm on the street getting pills. Of course, 2:30:40.959 --> 2:30:44.320 you know, people, I never went back to them. You know, 2:30:44.400 --> 2:30:46.520 you can't go back and they ain't gonna be giving 2:30:46.560 --> 2:30:48.800 you pills. You gotta go to the street. But again, 2:30:48.840 --> 2:30:50.680 the nigga who I was dealing with, I didn't know 2:30:50.800 --> 2:30:53.760 that he was dirty. But again, if I'm spending eight 2:30:53.800 --> 2:30:55.560 thousand dollars a month, of course he don't give a 2:30:55.640 --> 2:30:58.160 fucking If the pills is fucked up, I'm gonna go 2:30:58.200 --> 2:31:01.080 with the value of them eight thousand dollars. 2:31:02.000 --> 2:31:04.800 Look at this face looking like, I will hold your custoiner. 2:31:05.680 --> 2:31:09.400 So so of course, people who I thought that was 2:31:09.520 --> 2:31:13.040 my friend's damn, I could have died. But towards the end, 2:31:13.120 --> 2:31:15.800 I kept throwing up. So every time I would pop, 2:31:15.879 --> 2:31:16.560 I would throw up. 2:31:16.600 --> 2:31:17.520 You get rid of the talks. 2:31:17.840 --> 2:31:21.600 Yeah, but it wasn't happening until that time. Wow, So 2:31:21.760 --> 2:31:24.400 whatever happened, that guard was like, hey know what, Hey, 2:31:25.000 --> 2:31:27.640 all right, I'm gonna keep saving you, but the next 2:31:27.720 --> 2:31:28.720 time you might not make it. 2:31:29.120 --> 2:31:32.600 So I went to rehab, went upstate, stayed there. 2:31:33.400 --> 2:31:36.520 Mad. People talked the whole nine because the most part 2:31:36.640 --> 2:31:39.520 is that I was worried about the withdrawal part. So 2:31:39.640 --> 2:31:42.600 the withdraw part make years go by it because is 2:31:42.640 --> 2:31:45.480 technically heroin, right, it's the synthetic heroin. The heroin is 2:31:45.520 --> 2:31:47.800 what you're addicted to. So at the end of the day, 2:31:49.840 --> 2:31:52.520 people that was in there, it was one dude named Smiley. 2:31:52.600 --> 2:31:55.280 He had tracks all on this arm up and he 2:31:55.440 --> 2:31:57.560 did tell him to put a shirt on because he 2:31:58.000 --> 2:32:01.000 again you could see everything he was. His whole arms 2:32:01.120 --> 2:32:02.000 was filled. 2:32:02.280 --> 2:32:02.400 Right. 2:32:02.840 --> 2:32:06.120 People that was doing fetanal to regularly. Crack was still 2:32:06.200 --> 2:32:08.480 heavy in there, you know, and people was there because. 2:32:08.600 --> 2:32:10.560 What you mean people were doing fitting all No, no. 2:32:10.680 --> 2:32:12.960 No, that's about fault, is that. Yeah, when you hit 2:32:13.000 --> 2:32:19.800 that story, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right because the 2:32:20.120 --> 2:32:24.320 hospital uses it, so it's fitting on something that. Yeah, 2:32:24.320 --> 2:32:25.880 but it don't have to be the bad ship, the 2:32:26.000 --> 2:32:29.080 bad and killing people. But they still use it in 2:32:29.160 --> 2:32:31.600 the hospital, of the street, the streets ships this bad 2:32:32.959 --> 2:32:38.840 so but but again this stuff again, you can go 2:32:38.959 --> 2:32:42.680 to heroin because once you can't afford the bill, you shoot, 2:32:43.520 --> 2:32:46.000 don't forget. You have to have money. So it was 2:32:46.120 --> 2:32:48.680 never gonna stop for me. That's the flex a little 2:32:48.680 --> 2:32:56.080 bit around. So if you got the bread you're gonna 2:32:56.080 --> 2:32:58.800 always be doing it. But the sad part of the 2:32:58.920 --> 2:33:02.160 fact that magic fin that money towards the end unit 2:33:02.200 --> 2:33:06.959 getting high. So for the last two years I'm doing 2:33:07.000 --> 2:33:11.120 it so I won't get with durls. So that's the 2:33:11.160 --> 2:33:14.080 part that's fucked up. So when people see when your 2:33:14.200 --> 2:33:18.280 talents comes now, Luckily, if I would have said, fuck it, 2:33:18.400 --> 2:33:20.360 I need to get that feeling and then I would 2:33:20.400 --> 2:33:22.440 have started shooting, that's the next step. 2:33:22.480 --> 2:33:23.320 That's what people go to. 2:33:23.680 --> 2:33:26.440 They go to the needle, you know, because the heroin 2:33:26.560 --> 2:33:29.160 part whatever ain't doing it for you no more. So 2:33:29.280 --> 2:33:31.160 that's what the whole part was with me. I'm like 2:33:31.480 --> 2:33:33.880 so like when you talk like when I did that, 2:33:34.040 --> 2:33:38.080 Timmelin left a big paragraph under my ship like Eric, 2:33:38.320 --> 2:33:41.520 he right, these are niggas. That was uses him meek 2:33:42.080 --> 2:33:45.040 fucking the bow, wows the waynes all these niggas sudden 2:33:45.040 --> 2:33:48.480 study they call it lean, but hydro code on is 2:33:48.560 --> 2:33:53.480 this liquid form of heroin exactly. So all this opio 2:33:53.640 --> 2:33:56.680 that was at that time, you know me, it came 2:33:56.720 --> 2:33:59.920 from the doctor I had back surgery. He gave me 2:34:00.000 --> 2:34:03.320 one hundred and twenty pills. It stands this tall inside 2:34:03.320 --> 2:34:06.040 of the and a thing with one twenty so after 2:34:06.120 --> 2:34:08.560 while you take the one, you take the two, and 2:34:08.680 --> 2:34:10.960 now your back pain is gone. And then you're like, 2:34:11.040 --> 2:34:12.960 then that shit feel good. The next you know, the 2:34:13.040 --> 2:34:14.800 next time you look up at twenty two days, all 2:34:14.840 --> 2:34:15.959 that the whole bottle is gone. 2:34:16.200 --> 2:34:16.800 You're addicted. 2:34:17.800 --> 2:34:19.959 It takes seven days for addiction. 2:34:20.240 --> 2:34:24.199 Wow, you know what's the crazy shit? I really appreciate 2:34:24.280 --> 2:34:28.520 you sharing that story because most people have never seen 2:34:28.600 --> 2:34:32.080 that version of you, Like, no, you got to be outsider. 2:34:32.240 --> 2:34:34.200 Look, you got to you got to be put together, 2:34:34.200 --> 2:34:35.880 you got to be not in and leading, and you 2:34:35.959 --> 2:34:37.959 got to have no money. She's the part you got 2:34:38.080 --> 2:34:40.959 to show. I'm still gonna raise my son, so I'm 2:34:40.959 --> 2:34:43.280 still taking them to school, watching them, feeding them the 2:34:43.280 --> 2:34:45.960 whole none cooking whatever, taking them to practice. The whole 2:34:46.000 --> 2:34:49.680 ship is the function and crackhead, right wow, right, what 2:34:49.760 --> 2:34:51.800 that is? The real street, the whole night is still 2:34:51.879 --> 2:34:54.360 doing them. The only time you don't do it is 2:34:54.400 --> 2:34:57.440 because you don't have any bread, and so now you're 2:34:57.520 --> 2:34:58.120 falling off. 2:34:58.320 --> 2:34:59.720 And then you got to go to the street and 2:34:59.800 --> 2:35:03.480 that and you're looking like you're looking the part. 2:35:03.400 --> 2:35:05.000 So you're doing it. But if you got this ship 2:35:05.120 --> 2:35:09.360 going you straight. Yeah, So I'm not gonna give that 2:35:09.520 --> 2:35:12.800 off and then whatever, I can't let you see me 2:35:12.959 --> 2:35:16.920 like that. So the kids didn't even understand. They were 2:35:16.959 --> 2:35:19.480 shocked as too. When I'm in read, they don't know 2:35:19.640 --> 2:35:25.160 that you can't you can't physically see that person, you know, 2:35:26.000 --> 2:35:27.640 unless they sucked up. 2:35:28.560 --> 2:35:31.520 And that's that's that's what makes it very very unique 2:35:31.520 --> 2:35:35.520 about you. Is I forget who I told today. I 2:35:35.680 --> 2:35:38.200 was like and I was like, I'm mad excited to 2:35:38.360 --> 2:35:40.920 interview told but no Eric Sherman, right, I was like, 2:35:41.080 --> 2:35:42.160 I'm mad exciting, right. 2:35:42.840 --> 2:35:42.920 And. 2:35:44.879 --> 2:35:45.959 You told me and. 2:35:49.160 --> 2:35:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like a mad 2:35:51.120 --> 2:35:52.800 man because I was just like just hype. 2:35:52.800 --> 2:35:54.360 You know, even though you're my friend, I can say 2:35:54.360 --> 2:35:56.320 to you my friend, but I'm still like, it doesn't 2:35:56.360 --> 2:35:58.840 take away from me being your fan. It can't, it can't, 2:35:59.200 --> 2:36:02.600 And I'm mad excited it And I never that question 2:36:02.640 --> 2:36:05.440 would have never came up, like because I never I 2:36:05.640 --> 2:36:09.400 always seen you put together. I've never seen you out 2:36:09.440 --> 2:36:12.000 of line. Now people say that about d m X 2:36:12.280 --> 2:36:16.080 to me, right, say that I never seen DMX. How Ever, 2:36:16.840 --> 2:36:19.200 because they say that when d m A you, they 2:36:19.240 --> 2:36:22.480 said that I never they said no, I said, because 2:36:22.520 --> 2:36:26.920 when he actually got high, he stayed inside. So you 2:36:27.040 --> 2:36:33.760 were seeing him on on alcohol, you seeing him on the. 2:36:36.920 --> 2:36:38.640 So so that was shocking to me. 2:36:38.760 --> 2:36:42.119 But with you, that's kind of like the total opposite 2:36:42.160 --> 2:36:44.360 because I've kind of never seen you slipping like I 2:36:44.520 --> 2:36:46.640 kind of always seen you put together for every time. 2:36:46.760 --> 2:36:48.840 And that's one thing I said that somebody asked me, 2:36:48.879 --> 2:36:51.039 and I was like, I like, you know, I since 2:36:51.040 --> 2:36:54.600 silly love Eric Sherman as a person, not only his 2:36:54.760 --> 2:36:57.160 music and not only you know, if it was for 2:36:57.240 --> 2:37:00.840 ep M D with me a CNN. But you've always 2:37:00.920 --> 2:37:05.359 been the same. So you you got an excellent version. 2:37:05.120 --> 2:37:09.720 Of hot than that you have ecstasy at he was 2:37:09.760 --> 2:37:12.320 the dealer. I can see. 2:37:12.360 --> 2:37:12.640 It's the. 2:37:17.640 --> 2:37:18.760 It's a deal. 2:37:18.920 --> 2:37:19.360 Yeah, now. 2:37:22.320 --> 2:37:25.560 Okay, yes, yes now that you for you? 2:37:25.680 --> 2:37:30.440 You get I mean I never got. Just help let 2:37:30.440 --> 2:37:31.040 me get you. 2:37:31.680 --> 2:37:33.600 I tell you the ecstasy story. 2:37:33.680 --> 2:37:34.520 We want to get into it. 2:37:34.600 --> 2:37:34.920 Let's go. 2:37:37.120 --> 2:37:40.080 The Century Club in l A. Right, that sounds like 2:37:40.120 --> 2:37:41.000 a place for ecstasy. 2:37:41.640 --> 2:37:44.800 So now I don't know nothing about this. It's me 2:37:45.040 --> 2:37:48.080 dre exhibit A few other people get mad, go out right. 2:37:48.640 --> 2:37:50.800 It's a girl who introduced it to you know, doctor 2:37:50.879 --> 2:37:52.959 Dre did. Doctor Dre is the first person who gave 2:37:52.959 --> 2:37:55.000 you ecstasy. Let's talk some noise about the Dre. 2:37:55.920 --> 2:38:00.080 I don't make it do. I could have died, so 2:38:00.200 --> 2:38:00.840 the cronic. 2:38:04.440 --> 2:38:07.840 Crazy because again I don't even know if he if 2:38:07.920 --> 2:38:09.359 he remembered this story. 2:38:09.520 --> 2:38:10.800 But they're about to remember it. 2:38:11.240 --> 2:38:14.600 But anyway, this is what Sun Section Shouldtree club. We're 2:38:14.600 --> 2:38:19.080 going to. He pops the trunk, going net Pataya passed 2:38:19.080 --> 2:38:23.920 out appeals to everybody. Look, I got, I got no instructions. 2:38:23.320 --> 2:38:24.600 By the way, I want to be at this party 2:38:24.680 --> 2:38:25.000 so bad. 2:38:25.120 --> 2:38:26.160 Continue should club? 2:38:26.200 --> 2:38:27.120 I got so. 2:38:27.240 --> 2:38:29.880 Now we're in the Sphery Club right, like the record 2:38:29.920 --> 2:38:36.520 says city clubs. Now my homegirl Alisha's there, Barby Brown's wife. Right, 2:38:38.280 --> 2:38:40.480 this is wow ninety. 2:38:42.440 --> 2:38:42.680 Wow. 2:38:42.840 --> 2:38:44.480 Let me see what I was because I was doing 2:38:44.560 --> 2:38:45.920 exhibits album, so I. 2:38:45.920 --> 2:38:48.720 Would say ninety six first exhibit album, the first one 2:38:48.840 --> 2:38:51.000 that's ninety four five ninety five. 2:38:52.760 --> 2:38:56.160 I did the call the was shoe on the the 2:38:56.200 --> 2:38:57.199 one that had Pross. 2:38:59.400 --> 2:39:02.000 First man is a two thousand drugs. 2:39:03.240 --> 2:39:07.160 So I had to be like nty six exceed no nigga. 2:39:07.240 --> 2:39:10.360 He was out ninety five no in Miami for sure. 2:39:11.480 --> 2:39:14.680 You know it's like it's like ninety you're talking about 2:39:14.760 --> 2:39:15.160 ninety six. 2:39:15.760 --> 2:39:17.879 No camp, nigga, it's no reason. 2:39:18.920 --> 2:39:21.160 Ninety eight the second album, Someone was. 2:39:23.280 --> 2:39:23.959 So ninety eight. 2:39:24.800 --> 2:39:25.400 Second album. 2:39:25.680 --> 2:39:26.879 I do the sense. 2:39:30.040 --> 2:39:30.200 Right. 2:39:31.440 --> 2:39:34.920 So I go to your club, Alicia. We lost our 2:39:34.959 --> 2:39:38.720 friend Tiffany. She just had died. So she starts crying. 2:39:39.360 --> 2:39:42.800 So now I'm in the club boo hooing, crying with us. 2:39:43.480 --> 2:39:48.480 You're rolling, You're under no instructions with extasy. I'm crying 2:39:48.600 --> 2:39:48.920 with u. 2:39:49.560 --> 2:39:50.720 I mean boo hooing. 2:39:51.600 --> 2:39:54.320 Right after done. 2:39:55.040 --> 2:40:01.400 Yeah, we can't laugh that. No, someone passed. After I'm done, 2:40:01.480 --> 2:40:03.640 we go to the what's that hotel? 2:40:03.680 --> 2:40:09.800 Would tell the MDIO nothing on the other one, the manchos, no, 2:40:09.959 --> 2:40:14.760 not in montals need a deco hotel. No the other one, no, 2:40:14.959 --> 2:40:19.160 not not that one's hotel. Let's go Let's hotel, right, 2:40:20.000 --> 2:40:24.320 because always do he is the w then am always 2:40:24.320 --> 2:40:29.160 part to go whatever. So I go Lormitage. So the 2:40:29.400 --> 2:40:32.000 l was first would lie and there the m come 2:40:32.040 --> 2:40:37.080 out for that Dan. So so the Lamitage is the 2:40:37.160 --> 2:40:37.520 drug is. 2:40:37.560 --> 2:40:40.640 So drunk. 2:40:44.720 --> 2:40:45.880 Slumber champs gone. 2:40:45.959 --> 2:40:49.400 Well, the Lormitage. I ain't gonna tell you who famous 2:40:49.440 --> 2:40:51.920 wife this is. But somebody that's real famous, that's yous 2:40:52.000 --> 2:40:54.800 I got his wife in the room, right, I want 2:40:54.840 --> 2:40:57.879 to know, but she wouldn't she wasn't married then, Oh man, 2:40:57.879 --> 2:41:00.400 I don't even work marry with people like that ever 2:41:00.480 --> 2:41:03.680 in my life. So now I don't got no instructions. 2:41:04.680 --> 2:41:07.280 So now I'm in there buggering the fuck. I'm like, yo, 2:41:07.920 --> 2:41:10.600 now my mouth is driving my ship. Everything is dry, 2:41:10.640 --> 2:41:13.360 and I'm sitting there tripping. She come in there with 2:41:13.440 --> 2:41:17.640 the robe on nothing. I'm like, get out. I'm like, 2:41:18.280 --> 2:41:21.120 so now I'm sitting there. They forgot to tell me 2:41:21.200 --> 2:41:21.800 to drink water. 2:41:21.920 --> 2:41:22.600 You know, you gotta do. 2:41:24.320 --> 2:41:24.760 So now? 2:41:25.959 --> 2:41:32.520 And like this, no na, after I kicked I kicked 2:41:32.520 --> 2:41:36.640 the girl out. I'm in the bed, but time is 2:41:36.760 --> 2:41:41.920 moving slow. It's still maybe like in the morning. I'm like, damn, 2:41:41.959 --> 2:41:43.760 I ain't gonna be able to get through this. But again, 2:41:44.040 --> 2:41:46.560 if they were told me about to have somebody with 2:41:46.720 --> 2:41:49.760 you drink water the whole night, I got no instruction 2:41:50.560 --> 2:41:53.600 because I'm already booing. I'm already boohooing in the club 2:41:54.320 --> 2:41:58.800 draga ecstasy and said you take on the emotions of 2:41:59.000 --> 2:42:01.080 I took the emotions on that, but got to the 2:42:01.200 --> 2:42:04.520 room and whatever like that. But again that's that's whatever 2:42:04.720 --> 2:42:07.560 the experience. I never took that ever again in my 2:42:07.680 --> 2:42:10.400 life ever, and people rock with that. The whole time 2:42:12.640 --> 2:42:16.320 about walking about ecstasy is because the same effraial yous 2:42:16.440 --> 2:42:21.039 you get from that euphoria, that's what percoset does. That's 2:42:21.080 --> 2:42:23.200 why the people in the records speak about it so much. 2:42:24.560 --> 2:42:27.760 They shouldn't. But nobody's gonna speak about something that don't 2:42:27.760 --> 2:42:32.959 make them hot. That ecstasy feel you get. Pergoset give 2:42:32.959 --> 2:42:35.320 you that too. But does the percoset make you sleepy? No, 2:42:35.480 --> 2:42:38.920 that's certain people. Everything that every drug works lean. And 2:42:39.000 --> 2:42:41.120 the thing is is that it's the time before you 2:42:41.240 --> 2:42:45.640 fall asleep. There's that euphoria. That's the euphoria. But it 2:42:45.760 --> 2:42:50.480 can make you create and make records and be as 2:42:50.600 --> 2:42:53.600 ill as you possibly can while niggas smoke weed. That's 2:42:53.600 --> 2:42:56.080 why niggas did held when that's why you got people 2:42:56.080 --> 2:42:58.120 who over those. So you got the Kirk Coke Burns 2:42:58.320 --> 2:42:59.959 or the Marvin Gaye or that donnia have the way 2:43:00.040 --> 2:43:00.320 you can. 2:43:00.280 --> 2:43:01.359 Get create. 2:43:03.280 --> 2:43:07.440 In there fucking beating that piano all night five of 2:43:07.520 --> 2:43:07.879 the morning. 2:43:08.959 --> 2:43:11.000 You know, are you. 2:43:12.800 --> 2:43:14.560 No will? I'm just giving you what. 2:43:14.959 --> 2:43:18.280 It'll make you do you're recreating a way too real, bro. 2:43:18.480 --> 2:43:20.840 No, but because know when you when you up there 2:43:20.840 --> 2:43:23.640 and you hide the creative part of it makes you 2:43:23.720 --> 2:43:25.960 feel good. You just thought you'd be in there. 2:43:26.040 --> 2:43:30.000 You know, you ever worked an Electric Lady. No, I 2:43:30.080 --> 2:43:32.760 wish I would have you. That's with the cat. 2:43:33.920 --> 2:43:34.959 No, no, no, that's that's something. 2:43:36.520 --> 2:43:39.360 Yeah, the cat was a cat there in Dangelo. Yeah, 2:43:39.879 --> 2:43:40.800 d Angela had something to do. 2:43:40.879 --> 2:43:43.200 No, you have to know he ended up working there afterwards. 2:43:43.800 --> 2:43:44.000 Yeah. 2:43:44.080 --> 2:43:46.000 Yeah, yeah, that's Jimmy. 2:43:47.040 --> 2:43:48.680 And there was to be a white cat there. 2:43:48.920 --> 2:43:52.000 And I'm allergic to cats like anywhere, Like, if a 2:43:52.080 --> 2:43:54.119 cat is down the block, I will break out. That's 2:43:54.160 --> 2:43:56.240 the only cat in the world that I didn't break 2:43:56.280 --> 2:43:58.600 out for. And I swore to God that was Jimmy 2:43:58.640 --> 2:44:03.000 Hens what a real cat. Yeah, like a cat that 2:44:03.200 --> 2:44:07.520 was not the homie cat. Yeah, that's why I thought you. 2:44:08.200 --> 2:44:09.800 I swore you would have worked at an Electric lad 2:44:09.920 --> 2:44:10.080 I was. 2:44:10.480 --> 2:44:12.560 You know what, you get to this, to this, to 2:44:12.720 --> 2:44:15.360 this thing, and you tell stories and you keep it 2:44:15.400 --> 2:44:16.960 getting how sensitive people are. 2:44:17.080 --> 2:44:17.200 Man. 2:44:17.200 --> 2:44:19.560 I just told people like, don't call me, tell me yo, 2:44:20.440 --> 2:44:21.520 I'm just I'm just talking. 2:44:21.360 --> 2:44:23.880 In my head. About people that don't worry. Yeah, I know, 2:44:24.000 --> 2:44:24.600 but people. 2:44:26.040 --> 2:44:28.880 Don't worry. They blame us anyways, you know. But I 2:44:28.879 --> 2:44:31.000 don't want to bring up the story though, But again. 2:44:31.080 --> 2:44:34.640 Bring the story what you do, right, because this is history, 2:44:34.720 --> 2:44:38.000 no real, we're documenting history. That's the problem that hip 2:44:38.040 --> 2:44:41.199 hop hasn't done a very good job of documenting itself properly. 2:44:41.400 --> 2:44:43.680 That's right, Yeah, that's right. 2:44:47.000 --> 2:44:48.160 You know, we gotta be told. 2:44:48.240 --> 2:44:48.680 God damn it. 2:44:49.480 --> 2:44:51.320 Yeah, I got some I got some ship though, man 2:44:51.360 --> 2:44:56.760 with some other niggas. So you had a story or 2:44:56.800 --> 2:45:00.520 no I got I mean, that's that's yeah, buget fuck out, man, 2:45:01.400 --> 2:45:02.960 you got understand. This is why I tell people was 2:45:03.480 --> 2:45:06.800 see how everybody is famous. Now imagine that eighty eight. 2:45:08.440 --> 2:45:11.400 It's only like twelve of us, right, there's a small 2:45:11.440 --> 2:45:12.480 group with the whole world. 2:45:12.640 --> 2:45:13.240 It's crazy. 2:45:13.360 --> 2:45:16.840 And the poem we told about, man David talk about 2:45:16.840 --> 2:45:19.680 the other day. I'm in Philadelphia, I'm Michael Jackson. I 2:45:19.760 --> 2:45:23.200 gotta jump over the gate. I got ten thousand kids 2:45:23.959 --> 2:45:24.480 chasing me. 2:45:24.959 --> 2:45:27.039 Use finger popping everything I'm gonna. 2:45:26.840 --> 2:45:29.360 Say, because how it was like the same type of 2:45:29.520 --> 2:45:32.200 that's what you see, what you see talking about whatever 2:45:32.320 --> 2:45:35.600 you see. The fucking people talk about they're all famous now, 2:45:35.640 --> 2:45:37.560 but back then it was only twelve of us, and 2:45:37.720 --> 2:45:40.760 I was one of them, like e pmd Rahim Rock, Caim, 2:45:40.879 --> 2:45:44.360 Dougie Hammered Short. But it's only name you could name 2:45:44.640 --> 2:45:47.600 fifteen people. Can you imagine that with the whole world? 2:45:48.680 --> 2:45:50.560 I think, and this is the thing I know. I 2:45:51.080 --> 2:45:56.440 think the culture takes RANDI hold, hold, hold it. But 2:45:56.560 --> 2:45:59.120 I think I think the culture takes for granted that 2:45:59.320 --> 2:46:04.560 reality that it was a small thing day grew. I 2:46:04.879 --> 2:46:08.320 like to say when the iPod came to play and 2:46:08.480 --> 2:46:11.480 it made hip hop a thing beyond hip hop where 2:46:11.520 --> 2:46:14.240 you have a playlist, But we did that well, Apple 2:46:14.280 --> 2:46:15.520 and all these jobs. 2:46:15.800 --> 2:46:19.160 But that's what that's what explained it was in the culture. 2:46:19.320 --> 2:46:23.400 Remember Eminem had one commercial, Remember that, right, because don't 2:46:23.400 --> 2:46:25.800 forget Steve went to Jimmy Iveen and said, Yo, I 2:46:25.840 --> 2:46:29.120 got this ship called Apple, called it the iPod, want 2:46:29.160 --> 2:46:31.160 you suck with it? Jimmy Iveen is making a hundred 2:46:31.200 --> 2:46:33.680 million dollars in this call. He gets the funk about 2:46:33.720 --> 2:46:36.440 what Steve is talking about. So but in the beginning, 2:46:36.600 --> 2:46:38.600 Eminem does one commercial for Apple. 2:46:38.879 --> 2:46:45.680 We never saw the game. Really, he did one commercial 2:46:45.920 --> 2:46:46.360 for Apple. 2:46:47.520 --> 2:46:47.879 You two. 2:46:49.280 --> 2:46:52.400 He didn't nobody, Jimmy Iveen, nobody believed in it. They 2:46:52.400 --> 2:46:54.800 didn't believe that, so they didn't let it happen. What 2:46:54.920 --> 2:46:59.800 Steve was playing with like, he changed that. That ship 2:47:00.080 --> 2:47:01.920 changed the game. That fucking iPod. 2:47:02.040 --> 2:47:05.440 That's what changed everything, but also changed Apple. But that's 2:47:05.480 --> 2:47:08.880 what changed hip hop in terms of it being just culturally, 2:47:09.400 --> 2:47:12.000 because I tell people all till I'm like from Miami 2:47:12.080 --> 2:47:15.080 hip hop standpoint, I'm like, I remember going around and 2:47:15.200 --> 2:47:17.600 it was a few thousand hip hops. 2:47:17.920 --> 2:47:21.720 You said that because that's what happened. Steve went to 2:47:21.879 --> 2:47:25.960 him whatever, and Jimmy is like, look at me, Nigga 2:47:26.440 --> 2:47:29.560 in the scope, I'm fucking h you coming to me 2:47:29.680 --> 2:47:29.920 with this. 2:47:30.959 --> 2:47:34.600 Didn't believe it. And it changed the game. It changed everything. 2:47:34.720 --> 2:47:38.000 It changed everything because it crossed genre and everything and 2:47:38.120 --> 2:47:39.760 made everybody be into everything. 2:47:39.879 --> 2:47:42.280 And then it just good and bad. 2:47:42.959 --> 2:47:45.920 There's good and I wish though, oh my God, to 2:47:46.000 --> 2:47:49.600 be able to Tuesday comes and the CDs coming out. 2:47:49.680 --> 2:47:51.840 Nigga's on the line of Tower Records and be a 2:47:52.080 --> 2:47:53.880 soul opened up and read the back and the whole, 2:47:53.920 --> 2:47:54.440 and that's that. 2:47:54.680 --> 2:47:59.680 That was Sam Goodie and the Mixtape errow, Like. 2:48:00.120 --> 2:48:03.320 Can you imagine if that still existed, that we waited 2:48:03.400 --> 2:48:05.360 for Tuesday and we waited for that and all of 2:48:05.400 --> 2:48:08.600 a sudden, niggas dropping, Like yo, what can you imagine 2:48:08.640 --> 2:48:11.200 we still had that type of ship Like I understand 2:48:11.240 --> 2:48:13.840 about technology though, but to be able to you as 2:48:13.879 --> 2:48:20.880 a fan to open up the package and it was 2:48:20.959 --> 2:48:24.080 recording but but but then but then play the sequence right, 2:48:24.360 --> 2:48:28.359 But to care the sequence was important shuffle. 2:48:28.120 --> 2:48:30.720 To care about it, guys, this is a shuffle available 2:48:30.760 --> 2:48:33.959 we're talking about to care about even wanting to read 2:48:34.000 --> 2:48:34.560 those credits. 2:48:34.600 --> 2:48:36.880 But that's what I'm saying that when it changed, like 2:48:37.480 --> 2:48:39.959 there's the positivity of the audience growing. 2:48:39.760 --> 2:48:43.240 Actually was important because then when that interlude came, the 2:48:43.360 --> 2:48:45.800 inter it's a red down on your head. It's a 2:48:45.879 --> 2:48:48.560 red down on your head too. Oh Ship, then the 2:48:48.600 --> 2:48:53.240 record coming like that was nothing like that, Like I 2:48:53.320 --> 2:48:56.280 know it's a dream though, but damn man, Ship. 2:48:56.440 --> 2:48:57.920 You was one of the first people that I heard 2:48:58.040 --> 2:49:04.240 speak about streaming. Do you think in retrospect it's a 2:49:04.280 --> 2:49:05.200 good thing or a bad thing? 2:49:06.680 --> 2:49:12.720 Streaming right now is quadjupling. The contracts we got when 2:49:12.720 --> 2:49:15.240 we got contract meaning when we. 2:49:15.280 --> 2:49:21.960 Signed our contracts, the Perpetuity did and that was involved. 2:49:22.120 --> 2:49:26.000 Is even with the less than one penny, it is 2:49:26.080 --> 2:49:27.280 better than the contracts we got. 2:49:28.640 --> 2:49:31.480 Wait, because of how much exponentially. 2:49:31.200 --> 2:49:35.720 Money that's being made is way way more than the 2:49:35.800 --> 2:49:36.879 contract that we got. 2:49:37.640 --> 2:49:40.680 But the money being made for the label. Yeah, but 2:49:40.920 --> 2:49:41.240 if you. 2:49:42.760 --> 2:49:48.640 Have, if you independent and you got the name and 2:49:48.760 --> 2:49:51.200 it goes to you, I'm just going to pause what's 2:49:51.240 --> 2:49:53.560 happening with me and when you talk to baby. When 2:49:53.640 --> 2:49:55.960 Baby says, if you think there's no money in the 2:49:56.040 --> 2:49:59.480 music business, union in the music business because people like him. 2:50:00.520 --> 2:50:02.920 But the contract, this is what I'm saying. The contract 2:50:02.920 --> 2:50:07.480 that we got that you signed from every artist doesn't 2:50:07.480 --> 2:50:09.760 compare to the one less than one pinion that we get. 2:50:09.840 --> 2:50:14.720 The streaming now, I don't know about what everybody else 2:50:14.879 --> 2:50:18.640 thinks is doing, but I've seen it happen for people 2:50:19.040 --> 2:50:21.879 and what it's doing for other people who are benefiting 2:50:22.040 --> 2:50:25.080 off streaming. But the ill part of the fact that 2:50:25.320 --> 2:50:26.720 it's supposed to be going up. 2:50:27.480 --> 2:50:30.040 Yeah, well, Congress is supposed to pas it to one penny, 2:50:30.240 --> 2:50:33.800 to a penny to a penny, which everybody's like, that's ridiculous, buddy. 2:50:33.520 --> 2:50:35.400 But you're can imagine what a penny. Oh my god, 2:50:35.680 --> 2:50:37.000 is way big difference. 2:50:37.360 --> 2:50:39.880 But then when Snoop goes out and says this needs 2:50:39.920 --> 2:50:42.119 to change, I believe do you feel like the legacy 2:50:42.240 --> 2:50:43.080 artists should deserve? 2:50:43.160 --> 2:50:45.960 Noop is the one that made that thing happen? Oh 2:50:46.040 --> 2:50:50.560 really because him vocalizing one billion of streams only made systance. 2:50:52.400 --> 2:50:55.199 But see I could get on him. It is different 2:50:55.320 --> 2:51:00.120 for the producer, got you. The producer is not the 2:51:00.360 --> 2:51:05.920 artists or the writer like we we It's always been 2:51:06.040 --> 2:51:10.640 different for the producer. If we if we are the 2:51:10.680 --> 2:51:11.760 whole thing, we get the whole tea. 2:51:13.120 --> 2:51:14.279 As a producer. 2:51:13.959 --> 2:51:16.040 Producer, we just we get that. I just showed you 2:51:16.120 --> 2:51:21.720 on publishing and then on it right. But the artist, 2:51:21.840 --> 2:51:25.920 the producer period is going to be because again you 2:51:26.120 --> 2:51:29.040 get you get all that publishing, you get role, you 2:51:29.120 --> 2:51:31.120 get all of that that come with it. The writer 2:51:31.320 --> 2:51:33.720 doesn't get. The artist doesn't get it that contract GT 2:51:33.720 --> 2:51:37.880 made for him and her unless you you're big artist. 2:51:37.920 --> 2:51:38.879 You sell those millions of. 2:51:38.920 --> 2:51:40.959 Records and then you look for your advance to come 2:51:41.040 --> 2:51:45.840 back big, not the other mechanical stuff that the next 2:51:45.879 --> 2:51:48.680 advanced the label side exactly, and then they be like 2:51:48.680 --> 2:51:50.800 you know what you owe me five in thousands because 2:51:50.800 --> 2:51:51.600 I pay for that this way. 2:51:51.760 --> 2:51:54.320 Whatever, So you never the label, You'll never be cooped. 2:51:55.000 --> 2:51:59.959 You're gonna always owe them there, gonna always owe them always. 2:52:00.280 --> 2:52:04.160 I remember seeing charges as a young young and they 2:52:04.200 --> 2:52:06.840 would tell me, you know, we didn't have Instagram back then, 2:52:07.120 --> 2:52:09.120 we didn't have Twitter, and they would tell me, you know, 2:52:09.200 --> 2:52:11.920 we spent one hundred and fifty thousand in Japan for 2:52:12.000 --> 2:52:14.560 you here, and we spent such and such, and I 2:52:14.680 --> 2:52:17.360 didn't have access to Japan back then, so I would 2:52:17.440 --> 2:52:20.160 just take their word. Do you think they was lying 2:52:20.240 --> 2:52:22.400 to us? But you could always audit them though. 2:52:23.600 --> 2:52:25.600 Certain labels though too, And I can say it now 2:52:25.760 --> 2:52:29.800 that death Sham or whatever. They whole thing is to 2:52:29.879 --> 2:52:33.879 come under budget. So as long as I don't spend 2:52:33.959 --> 2:52:36.520 that money on you and I could pocket it, it's cool. 2:52:37.000 --> 2:52:41.280 Labels just did that period. They were some labels they 2:52:41.440 --> 2:52:44.760 do what would put money behind you, and not saying 2:52:44.800 --> 2:52:47.240 they didn't, but they go off for you having a 2:52:47.320 --> 2:52:49.600 hit record and then that shit exploded, you know what 2:52:49.640 --> 2:52:52.160 I'm saying. But the but, but the thing is to 2:52:52.240 --> 2:52:54.680 come under budget and for niggas to pocket money. 2:52:55.240 --> 2:52:58.640 Right, you know, you recorded albums under the budget. 2:53:00.080 --> 2:53:02.600 You mean he's saying that deaf Jam as a whole. 2:53:02.680 --> 2:53:06.360 The budget goal is the. 2:53:06.600 --> 2:53:09.560 Nuts that could be recording, that could be marketing. I 2:53:09.640 --> 2:53:11.680 get money from from from from what was it called 2:53:11.760 --> 2:53:13.600 reforcastcop no recoop. 2:53:14.480 --> 2:53:19.200 I never did that recoup or not refork. I never 2:53:19.280 --> 2:53:21.480 took I never took extra money from them. 2:53:22.200 --> 2:53:24.880 That's why I'm I think that that the respect I 2:53:25.080 --> 2:53:29.000 gain respecting I get from from Leon and from because 2:53:29.000 --> 2:53:31.000 I was one of the only clients who never asked 2:53:31.040 --> 2:53:31.720 for extra money. 2:53:32.040 --> 2:53:34.080 I used what they gave me. 2:53:35.120 --> 2:53:38.680 But what I did my thing was I bought my 2:53:38.760 --> 2:53:43.360 own studio. When I bought my own stood love early yeah, 2:53:43.440 --> 2:53:48.280 and I named something thirty second in Madison, US in 2:53:48.360 --> 2:53:52.000 Manhattan to yes, Wow, totally different. 2:53:52.360 --> 2:53:55.640 I think it's something totally different. And I it didn't 2:53:55.680 --> 2:53:56.400 seem like a man. 2:53:57.440 --> 2:54:00.320 It was called the hood laugh but uh, but it 2:54:00.360 --> 2:54:04.080 was a thirty second in Madison. And I would charge 2:54:04.440 --> 2:54:07.680 Depth Jam, Tommy boy, everybody who is doing business, but 2:54:07.720 --> 2:54:08.520 I charge him. 2:54:08.400 --> 2:54:10.880 On a different entity. And they never knew that I 2:54:11.000 --> 2:54:12.440 actually owned the students dope. 2:54:17.200 --> 2:54:22.080 And then then like other other clients started to catch on, 2:54:22.280 --> 2:54:24.160 like men League, you know, other people. 2:54:24.160 --> 2:54:25.920 It was like wait a minute. So I was like, Yo, 2:54:26.000 --> 2:54:27.760 what is quads charging you? 2:54:27.800 --> 2:54:28.360 What is sound on? 2:54:28.480 --> 2:54:30.640 Sound charge you with his daddy's house charging? They charge 2:54:30.680 --> 2:54:32.520 you this. I'll charge you this and I'll give you 2:54:32.680 --> 2:54:33.240 back half. 2:54:34.080 --> 2:54:35.720 So I just I had a whole. 2:54:36.600 --> 2:54:37.520 But that's the game. 2:54:37.680 --> 2:54:41.680 Yeah, I had old had kick. Yeah, that's what was 2:54:41.680 --> 2:54:45.200 going on in the labels, you know, I. 2:54:45.200 --> 2:54:45.800 Mean we got. 2:54:47.640 --> 2:54:48.160 What we did. 2:54:48.360 --> 2:54:54.000 Everybody made money that way. Everybody. You you the money is, 2:54:54.240 --> 2:54:56.600 don't forget it's coming from somebody else anyway. But I 2:54:56.680 --> 2:54:59.440 can get this for you, you know. Just I need 2:54:59.520 --> 2:55:01.080 this to get half of this back. That's what he 2:55:01.640 --> 2:55:06.120 was doing. Everybody was making money, is what happened. Put 2:55:06.160 --> 2:55:10.480 a hole on blast. But everybody did that, everybody and 2:55:10.520 --> 2:55:13.960 they still do it now. Everybody this is doing this. 2:55:14.920 --> 2:55:18.320 And the radio game was even crazier. Oh my god, 2:55:18.520 --> 2:55:19.320 it was disrespectful. 2:55:19.320 --> 2:55:20.280 It was dispectful back then. 2:55:20.520 --> 2:55:21.640 Charging on that got damn money. 2:55:21.680 --> 2:55:24.680 I was. I gave somebody thirty five thousand dollars. My 2:55:24.760 --> 2:55:30.120 ship came on a three A game in the morning. Yo, 2:55:30.160 --> 2:55:33.040 you got some spinds wet nigga, that buddy hurting none. 2:55:39.920 --> 2:55:43.039 I wasn't ready, but that's the game. 2:55:44.040 --> 2:55:47.400 Let me ask you, is to be all these like 2:55:48.240 --> 2:55:51.879 uh stories about hip hop, like what is it though? 2:55:52.400 --> 2:55:53.160 On Fox? 2:55:53.920 --> 2:56:01.879 Oh, Empire and all this seventy one sixty Varrak yeah, 2:56:03.280 --> 2:56:03.720 definit jam. 2:56:03.840 --> 2:56:08.040 That office was single handedly saved my life. 2:56:09.080 --> 2:56:15.039 Grand Grand Grand Green Studio, you know the cor service 2:56:15.080 --> 2:56:18.800 Grand Yes and X y Z when you spent on 2:56:19.080 --> 2:56:19.800 two months, I know. 2:56:20.120 --> 2:56:21.840 But let me just tell you something. I used to 2:56:21.920 --> 2:56:24.280 go there because the rush management was there. And this 2:56:24.360 --> 2:56:26.080 is how I got introduced to Chris Lightdy. 2:56:26.879 --> 2:56:28.840 Oh yeah, you was was on the I was on Vio. 2:56:29.800 --> 2:56:31.879 He was there, and I wasn't on Death Jamber at 2:56:31.920 --> 2:56:32.200 that time. 2:56:32.400 --> 2:56:34.520 I was on Penalty. But I used to go to 2:56:34.640 --> 2:56:35.640 that office. 2:56:37.080 --> 2:56:40.280 I can get a haircut there, I could roll dice there, 2:56:40.840 --> 2:56:42.120 and I could buy weed there. 2:56:43.520 --> 2:56:44.360 I stopped hanging in. 2:56:44.600 --> 2:56:48.440 At Barrack, Yes, at Varick. I used to see Redman there. 2:56:49.000 --> 2:56:54.680 I used to see rush management there. To me, that 2:56:54.879 --> 2:56:58.320 is the quick essential hip hop story that should be told. 2:56:59.400 --> 2:56:59.960 What do you think? 2:57:02.680 --> 2:57:05.560 What about all the sex that was going on a 2:57:05.600 --> 2:57:07.320 minute out of control? 2:57:07.920 --> 2:57:09.240 Come on, what are you talking about? 2:57:10.720 --> 2:57:14.199 Because you're not mentioning that. Oh yeah you can't because 2:57:14.200 --> 2:57:16.680 you you know you you really beloved right now. 2:57:16.680 --> 2:57:17.000 But but. 2:57:19.160 --> 2:57:29.520 But but at the end of the day with the Staines, Wow. 2:57:30.040 --> 2:57:31.480 Yeah it was bad. 2:57:32.160 --> 2:57:36.040 But again, the story could be told on that block, 2:57:37.320 --> 2:57:39.760 but it could be told on Elizabeth Avenue. He was 2:57:39.840 --> 2:57:43.879 before you wasn't here. You probably was like, yeah, Elizabeth 2:57:44.040 --> 2:57:50.120 is where us started. At Elizabeth Elizabeth Street. Okay, any 2:57:50.280 --> 2:57:52.160 time you would go outside, you would see one d 2:57:52.280 --> 2:57:54.879 M c rock him e PM. You would see all 2:57:54.920 --> 2:58:00.560 of us outside ran everywhere. This is chilling. 2:58:01.400 --> 2:58:05.480 But Barrick was a whole dynamic of interns. 2:58:07.120 --> 2:58:08.600 Why you act like you shocked niggas? 2:58:08.600 --> 2:58:12.199 No, I didn't know. To me, this was like he's saying. 2:58:12.520 --> 2:58:14.560 This was like, you don't want to stay. 2:58:14.560 --> 2:58:16.480 I got the same one when you got there that 2:58:16.640 --> 2:58:18.119 was this was like great evinure. 2:58:18.160 --> 2:58:20.920 To me, I was like, wait a minute, I could 2:58:20.959 --> 2:58:21.200 get my. 2:58:21.280 --> 2:58:24.440 Hair cut, roll dice and buy weed at the same 2:58:24.520 --> 2:58:26.560 place as the hood. Fuck the hood. 2:58:27.000 --> 2:58:28.880 And and and it's safe, it's safe. 2:58:29.200 --> 2:58:30.960 I think that part. I think it's rough riders. There's 2:58:31.240 --> 2:58:36.320 there's there's murder Ink and then Randfather, and there's the 2:58:36.400 --> 2:58:39.199 Depth Squad, and there's and at that time that ship 2:58:39.360 --> 2:58:42.760 was on fire on so so you came. When did 2:58:42.800 --> 2:58:43.760 you get signed there? 2:58:43.800 --> 2:58:43.959 Then? 2:58:44.480 --> 2:58:49.280 Well, remember Chris Lidy picked me up nineteen ninety eight 2:58:50.360 --> 2:58:56.960 or ninety seven seven because because he he got me 2:58:57.080 --> 2:58:58.840 into the n R album, which was. 2:58:58.840 --> 2:58:59.640 My ninety nine. 2:59:00.480 --> 2:59:02.960 Hey, let's go for the real quick. This is I 2:59:03.040 --> 2:59:05.920 gotta tell you this, this is really you won't do 2:59:06.000 --> 2:59:15.400 this at all. Death Sham has me, the Death Squad 2:59:15.480 --> 2:59:20.680 and Oriega Right now, t R L was was big, right, 2:59:20.920 --> 2:59:23.800 m t V, m TV and Peter Gun's Lord, we 2:59:23.879 --> 2:59:27.600 got that ship out uptown right, so it's uptown Anthem, 2:59:28.600 --> 2:59:32.000 you know, it's what what uptown Anthem and sugar and 2:59:32.360 --> 2:59:33.040 it raps the light? 2:59:33.680 --> 2:59:37.320 Right, So we're in the meeting, so I don't care 2:59:37.360 --> 2:59:37.920 about that too. 2:59:37.959 --> 2:59:41.560 They're like, yeah, so yeah, we gotta make sure we 2:59:41.640 --> 2:59:45.680 have a little dilemma the Death Squad and Oreegle record 2:59:45.720 --> 2:59:48.520 and what what record? And and and we gotta see 2:59:48.640 --> 2:59:51.240 which one that we're gonna put to number one? 2:59:51.640 --> 2:59:51.800 Right. 2:59:52.040 --> 2:59:57.960 But I'm sitting there, you know, so they're talking talking 2:59:58.280 --> 3:00:03.640 there too. I'm like, okay, tell you what, we're gonna 3:00:03.720 --> 3:00:07.280 make NOIB number one. And then on the next couple 3:00:07.360 --> 3:00:10.800 of weeks when he comes starts coming down, we'll put 3:00:10.879 --> 3:00:12.960 y'all up there whatever that we never got a chance 3:00:14.320 --> 3:00:17.320 the direct it came down so nor we stayed up 3:00:17.400 --> 3:00:20.039 then at number one. And then when when he when 3:00:20.080 --> 3:00:22.440 he came down to number two, did they put Peter 3:00:22.520 --> 3:00:23.440 Gunns and the Lord Trek on it? 3:00:23.520 --> 3:00:24.959 So I never got a chance to be number one spot. 3:00:25.480 --> 3:00:26.080 Owe you lunch. 3:00:29.360 --> 3:00:32.080 Wait, this is c r L making those decisions. No 3:00:32.280 --> 3:00:32.800 depth share. 3:00:33.240 --> 3:00:37.920 Yes, I'll tell you what though, I ended up having 3:00:37.920 --> 3:00:40.640 a number one album in the country though, that's right, 3:00:42.400 --> 3:00:43.320 the album number one. 3:00:43.560 --> 3:00:44.400 I'm not gonna lie to you. 3:00:44.680 --> 3:00:45.720 Let me just tell you something. 3:00:46.040 --> 3:00:49.160 I don't think you remember that day though, sitting outside 3:00:49.480 --> 3:00:54.320 to at that whatever that outside. I think it was 3:00:54.360 --> 3:00:56.920 one of the spring breaks and we was all out 3:00:56.959 --> 3:01:00.400 there like doing the show. But I knew in my 3:01:00.520 --> 3:01:02.920 head like, yo, damn, okay, well in two weeks he's 3:01:02.959 --> 3:01:06.000 coming down. Now'm gonna get the spot. But it never happened. 3:01:06.120 --> 3:01:06.680 God damn, it. 3:01:07.240 --> 3:01:07.960 Makes no noise to me. 3:01:08.040 --> 3:01:13.680 Once again, I'm gonna be honest with you. Like that 3:01:14.000 --> 3:01:20.760 run that we keep talking about you dots effects red Man, 3:01:20.920 --> 3:01:28.320 red Man, Like how did that feel? Because I believe 3:01:28.400 --> 3:01:35.040 cash money no limit, even bad Boy rough Riders rocket 3:01:35.120 --> 3:01:38.760 for the kind of like based their murdering kind of 3:01:38.840 --> 3:01:40.000 base theate thing off of that. 3:01:40.160 --> 3:01:42.840 I think his squad was a big like example for 3:01:42.879 --> 3:01:43.640 a lot of crews. 3:01:43.879 --> 3:01:46.600 And we'll definitely put the Wu Tang clan because cause 3:01:46.600 --> 3:01:47.520 they show it in like in. 3:01:47.520 --> 3:01:52.880 The series, not just everybody's like like, I was influenced 3:01:52.879 --> 3:01:53.800 by even more. 3:01:55.080 --> 3:01:58.320 And I asked people this all the time while you 3:01:58.480 --> 3:02:00.160 was making history, did you know you. 3:02:00.240 --> 3:02:00.959 Was making history? 3:02:02.680 --> 3:02:05.320 Nah? I just knew that. The other question you asked, 3:02:05.440 --> 3:02:08.400 did we know that it was ill like when it 3:02:08.520 --> 3:02:09.959 was going on, I'm like, hell, yeah. 3:02:09.840 --> 3:02:10.040 We did. 3:02:10.200 --> 3:02:11.840 Like yo, we did look at this because we all 3:02:11.879 --> 3:02:14.280 because again to be on the billboard charts at the 3:02:14.360 --> 3:02:16.880 same time you go to do something, you see through 3:02:17.040 --> 3:02:17.560 your groups. 3:02:18.080 --> 3:02:21.280 Did anybody else influence that type of structure? I mean, 3:02:21.320 --> 3:02:24.800 I know, I see, I see had Ryan syndicate. That 3:02:24.959 --> 3:02:25.720 was the closest thing. 3:02:25.800 --> 3:02:30.480 Maybe yeah, But what we did was yeah, not say yeah, 3:02:30.760 --> 3:02:31.280 we didn't you. 3:02:31.360 --> 3:02:33.200 Know, like anybody else in No. 3:02:33.360 --> 3:02:37.000 And then EPMD had three consecutive number one albums in 3:02:37.040 --> 3:02:43.880 a row. You know, That's what I said before. My 3:02:44.000 --> 3:02:47.440 colleagues can talk about what they did, though, but consistency. 3:02:47.480 --> 3:02:50.240 Don't forget we broke up. So imagine that five years, 3:02:50.400 --> 3:02:54.560 gred Man, imagine from nineteen ninety two to ninety seven, 3:02:54.640 --> 3:02:55.800 that we had them five years. 3:02:55.840 --> 3:02:58.760 Do you think do you think the breakup fucked up 3:02:58.800 --> 3:02:59.680 a lot of business? 3:02:59.720 --> 3:03:01.920 That the his squad and the crews come in. 3:03:03.120 --> 3:03:05.760 You gotta understand niggas can say that they was they 3:03:05.800 --> 3:03:07.360 were going to come in all types of ship. But 3:03:07.760 --> 3:03:10.000 now when when his squad was there, that you had 3:03:10.040 --> 3:03:13.240 to be very careful about what you was making and 3:03:13.400 --> 3:03:14.960 what you're going to be able to make to come 3:03:15.040 --> 3:03:16.959 in there because we was not going to. 3:03:17.000 --> 3:03:18.280 Stop m. 3:03:20.720 --> 3:03:22.200 And I don't know who I would have signed then. 3:03:22.240 --> 3:03:23.760 My ear was I had I was. 3:03:23.840 --> 3:03:26.160 I don't know who I could have had because because 3:03:26.200 --> 3:03:28.520 I was looking at we was looking to keep building. 3:03:29.000 --> 3:03:32.400 You know, it could have been it could have been somebody, 3:03:34.879 --> 3:03:37.520 but we don't know who it could have been. I 3:03:37.640 --> 3:03:40.120 was trying to because at that time I could have been. 3:03:40.200 --> 3:03:43.160 We was making I was making music every fucking day, 3:03:43.520 --> 3:03:45.280 so so the production was going to be there. 3:03:45.520 --> 3:03:47.360 I had it, so I don't know who I was 3:03:47.360 --> 3:03:48.240 going to be able to put down. 3:03:48.320 --> 3:03:51.640 And it was a highly respected crew. Highly respected. 3:03:51.840 --> 3:03:55.160 Again, like I told, there was nobody it's only a 3:03:55.240 --> 3:03:55.800 few of us. 3:03:56.520 --> 3:03:59.879 Nobody was around it for any competition that I saw 3:04:00.080 --> 3:04:03.320 that was going to make me because now I've done 3:04:03.400 --> 3:04:07.800 some past my clients, I mean my my colleagues. Because 3:04:07.879 --> 3:04:11.040 then because we're consistent and now we number one and 3:04:11.360 --> 3:04:14.120 that and then that Crossover came out. You know, that 3:04:14.240 --> 3:04:16.200 was our biggest record. You know, then all of a 3:04:16.240 --> 3:04:19.760 sudden we got some niggas over here, the Dots effects 3:04:19.840 --> 3:04:20.880 kids and then the Red Man come. 3:04:20.959 --> 3:04:24.040 He was like it was it was bad. It was 3:04:24.160 --> 3:04:25.800 bad in a good way. 3:04:25.959 --> 3:04:29.240 Yeah, in a good way. Okay, we are we done 3:04:29.280 --> 3:04:31.320 now because we gotta take you gotta take a ship. 3:04:31.360 --> 3:04:35.360 We gotta take more. I got no no, let me, 3:04:35.480 --> 3:04:39.560 we got some going. Let's let's talk about Stay Real 3:04:41.040 --> 3:04:41.440 the record. 3:04:41.480 --> 3:04:41.680 But what. 3:04:44.360 --> 3:04:45.760 I'm trying to see what you guys, where are you 3:04:45.760 --> 3:04:47.320 going with that talking about the record Stay Real? 3:04:48.160 --> 3:04:48.440 Okay? 3:04:48.600 --> 3:04:49.440 What? What? 3:04:50.320 --> 3:04:51.400 How did you make that record? 3:04:51.840 --> 3:05:01.640 The want to motivation behind that Stay realm. 3:04:59.200 --> 3:05:01.160 It was a continue racing the course over That's what 3:05:01.480 --> 3:05:06.199 the lyrics showing you that mother everybody who wasn't keeping 3:05:06.240 --> 3:05:08.080 a will, that was because you know, a getting people 3:05:08.280 --> 3:05:11.640 was hip hop was changing. And my version because again 3:05:11.720 --> 3:05:14.480 you had the license coming people with whatever, people start 3:05:14.520 --> 3:05:16.720 wearing suit's getting sexy, the whole nine whatever it's and that. 3:05:17.160 --> 3:05:18.920 So I just felt like, you know, I got to 3:05:19.040 --> 3:05:21.120 say something because it was like it was getting ready 3:05:21.120 --> 3:05:23.840 to change, you know. But it really was a continuation 3:05:23.959 --> 3:05:26.000 of that right there period, and I did. I was 3:05:26.040 --> 3:05:28.760 in Georgia then, so I was calling myself, I was 3:05:28.800 --> 3:05:29.720 in Georgian. 3:05:29.360 --> 3:05:33.040 And I was, I tell you what, this is. 3:05:33.040 --> 3:05:36.880 The illly shit Redman kind of kind of woke me 3:05:37.000 --> 3:05:41.360 up in Georgia because I had got to a point 3:05:41.400 --> 3:05:44.600 where I got so comfortable, I started getting real happy 3:05:45.280 --> 3:05:48.680 and I was playing them some happy ship and I 3:05:48.879 --> 3:05:52.280 was I was going left because because I was, I 3:05:52.400 --> 3:05:54.360 was with left eye. So I was like, you know, 3:05:55.440 --> 3:06:00.680 it was day left eye. I lived with her, don't begause, 3:06:00.680 --> 3:06:04.000 I'm broke. So I had to find some something place 3:06:04.080 --> 3:06:08.880 to sleep. I slept. I stayed in her. She had 3:06:08.920 --> 3:06:12.280 a hotel. Hey, but y'all was dating right right, Okay, 3:06:13.800 --> 3:06:18.440 she had when I moved to Georgia. That's how I 3:06:18.560 --> 3:06:22.879 met Illegal. Illegal was signed to her. So now I'm 3:06:23.000 --> 3:06:28.000 uncle Eric. So I go to the place she lives 3:06:28.040 --> 3:06:31.160 in the in the in the like a hotel type 3:06:31.160 --> 3:06:31.520 of sweet. 3:06:31.560 --> 3:06:33.840 Wait, didn't you think the youngsters when we said illegal 3:06:34.080 --> 3:06:34.520 the youngsters. 3:06:35.120 --> 3:06:41.240 I'm gonna say the youngsters to mom was death squad. 3:06:42.600 --> 3:06:47.120 So so what where I'm at with that? You? 3:06:47.840 --> 3:06:48.000 Yeah? 3:06:48.440 --> 3:06:49.680 Yeah, so I was getting solved. 3:06:50.440 --> 3:06:53.400 My whole ship was different because the LESSI. 3:06:55.000 --> 3:06:57.000 If you, if you go back to my first album, 3:06:57.040 --> 3:06:59.480 I had a song called every now and then I 3:06:59.600 --> 3:07:01.760 get crazy is it in the chorus? 3:07:02.840 --> 3:07:05.840 I couldn't hear my sound like that, even sounds like TLC. 3:07:06.200 --> 3:07:10.920 It wasn't the line. But but I was doing this 3:07:11.120 --> 3:07:15.120 not knowing. And then I had one of my other 3:07:15.480 --> 3:07:18.120 rhymes on the song. I was like, I got my 3:07:18.200 --> 3:07:20.760 hat to the back, but my pants down below whatever 3:07:20.879 --> 3:07:25.360 I was, I didn't know I was doing this. I 3:07:25.520 --> 3:07:27.320 was just like a getting getting soft. 3:07:27.920 --> 3:07:29.000 You put condom like this? 3:07:29.320 --> 3:07:34.440 No, So Ressie was like, yot, she must have had 3:07:34.520 --> 3:07:34.880 that thing. 3:07:35.320 --> 3:07:42.039 So Ressie was like Recidia. So Reggie was like, had 3:07:42.120 --> 3:07:42.720 you turns? 3:07:43.400 --> 3:07:45.040 Nobody knew it? To A two show with on Hot 3:07:45.160 --> 3:07:47.280 ninety seven says oh yeah, that's the time when every 3:07:47.320 --> 3:07:50.680 someone was left out, like niggas already know the story 3:07:50.680 --> 3:07:53.320 because two shorts and said it out loud already but 3:07:54.440 --> 3:07:57.560 at the end of the day, I was not I 3:07:57.600 --> 3:08:00.240 didn't have Hitt Switches. I didn't have Stayed Real, didn't 3:08:00.240 --> 3:08:02.680 have none of that ship. All my ship was kind 3:08:02.680 --> 3:08:09.320 of pretty Reggie real Low not wanting to be assertive 3:08:09.520 --> 3:08:12.840 to me, like yo, He's like, yo, you know those 3:08:12.879 --> 3:08:15.760 are cool though, man, but you know that type of ship, 3:08:15.879 --> 3:08:19.360 you know it's cool. I would never thought that he 3:08:19.360 --> 3:08:22.879 would say that to me. You know, I'm producing you and. 3:08:25.480 --> 3:08:26.879 That's dope. That's a good friend. 3:08:28.040 --> 3:08:33.760 And next thing, you know, hitting switches that's in my notes, 3:08:33.800 --> 3:08:36.640 by the way, and then Stay Real then Hostile I was. 3:08:37.440 --> 3:08:39.480 I got back hitting switches in my notes. 3:08:40.480 --> 3:08:42.080 I got it. 3:08:42.959 --> 3:08:46.440 But if he didn't do that, I would have had 3:08:46.480 --> 3:08:50.600 a soft album on my debut I would have had 3:08:50.760 --> 3:08:52.680 I wouldn't have hitt Switches. I wouldn't have had Stay, 3:08:52.840 --> 3:08:56.840 I would have had Hostile because my mind was someplace 3:08:56.920 --> 3:08:59.920 I was. I was making the kid. 3:09:00.160 --> 3:09:00.480 I don't know. 3:09:00.959 --> 3:09:06.280 Maybe it was man U was t l seed, which 3:09:06.400 --> 3:09:11.480 is good. It looks good kind. He was living and 3:09:11.640 --> 3:09:13.720 left out. I don't think I've ever met left eye. 3:09:14.400 --> 3:09:15.320 This was mad cool. 3:09:15.400 --> 3:09:18.440 She seemed like she was mad cool, crazy, crazy cool. 3:09:18.920 --> 3:09:21.280 All of them is cool to see how they all 3:09:21.480 --> 3:09:24.800 was mad cool, like, don't forget I'm new to the city, 3:09:25.280 --> 3:09:26.720 you know, Like I said, for I got a thousand 3:09:26.720 --> 3:09:29.880 dollars in the credit and the America Spress card trying 3:09:29.879 --> 3:09:30.400 to get through. 3:09:30.480 --> 3:09:32.440 See how'm making you know what I'm saying. Where were 3:09:32.520 --> 3:09:35.320 they in their career when you mets, Oh, they were 3:09:35.320 --> 3:09:37.760 already huge waterfalls. 3:09:37.240 --> 3:09:40.959 And look this is this isus. 3:09:42.560 --> 3:09:43.959 I'm go chasing the waterfalls. 3:09:44.120 --> 3:09:49.480 This is nineteen ninety three. Oh yeah it is they 3:09:49.480 --> 3:09:54.119 are you mongous? And again at the end of the day, 3:09:54.760 --> 3:09:56.800 everybody was going through what they was going through, So 3:09:57.080 --> 3:09:59.920 I just happened to be again illegal was her. 3:10:01.200 --> 3:10:07.160 Wow, we talked about El scar Face record. We talked 3:10:07.160 --> 3:10:09.240 about that already, right or did we not? Ll scar 3:10:09.360 --> 3:10:09.880 Face record? 3:10:10.000 --> 3:10:10.200 Yeah? 3:10:11.600 --> 3:10:12.080 Do ray me? 3:10:13.080 --> 3:10:15.560 Oh, doray me. Yeah that was what does that mean? 3:10:16.280 --> 3:10:20.720 That's the chorus? That was the old school do Yeah, 3:10:20.760 --> 3:10:22.160 that's what he was. That's opera ship. 3:10:22.280 --> 3:10:23.320 I don't know that means? 3:10:24.920 --> 3:10:26.400 Yeah, you know that in school? 3:10:27.160 --> 3:10:27.840 Come on, bro. 3:10:29.560 --> 3:10:34.440 Oh he knows it in Spanish. No, you're right, yeah, 3:10:34.959 --> 3:10:38.000 that's what that was. That was cool saying that that 3:10:38.120 --> 3:10:39.560 was something that anybody. 3:10:39.280 --> 3:10:41.400 Know but you yeah, I mean I don't know. I 3:10:41.440 --> 3:10:44.640 ain't going to that school. I was in a special school, 3:10:45.520 --> 3:10:47.000 the Yellow Bus, And I don't mind. 3:10:47.600 --> 3:10:48.920 I don't know you an artist? 3:10:49.000 --> 3:10:52.480 You never heard Doray met Yeah, that's what he was doing. 3:10:52.560 --> 3:10:55.840 He was like making dog get this bread. It's the infrared. Hey, 3:10:56.280 --> 3:10:58.680 he was just doing it as a routine, trying to 3:10:58.959 --> 3:11:01.320 trying to make something up, was being being slick with 3:11:01.400 --> 3:11:01.880 the word play. 3:11:02.360 --> 3:11:04.879 So that was that's fire. 3:11:06.120 --> 3:11:09.640 Street you made. You bring that up because I love it? 3:11:10.040 --> 3:11:12.480 So oh, I got a chance to go work with 3:11:12.600 --> 3:11:13.080 NAS again. 3:11:13.160 --> 3:11:13.800 So I go to L. E. 3:11:13.959 --> 3:11:16.320 S Studio, I bring the Street Hot there to play 3:11:16.400 --> 3:11:19.000 for Virginia No the one I see that. 3:11:19.040 --> 3:11:20.720 That was here in New York and Long Island, Okay, 3:11:20.800 --> 3:11:23.200 okay whatever. I played that song for m because I 3:11:23.240 --> 3:11:25.720 wanted him to hear it. He didn't give a funk 3:11:25.720 --> 3:11:27.480 about what I was saying. He's like, can I get 3:11:27.520 --> 3:11:30.879 that record or naves? 3:11:30.959 --> 3:11:31.240 Okay? 3:11:31.440 --> 3:11:32.560 And I didn't give it to him. 3:11:33.040 --> 3:11:33.320 Again. 3:11:33.440 --> 3:11:35.520 You've been front of the NAS your whole career. 3:11:38.560 --> 3:11:40.480 You just bring back memories of that because I played 3:11:40.520 --> 3:11:42.560 it for him, and you did. And all I do 3:11:42.720 --> 3:11:44.360 is give to because I ain't really need it, and 3:11:44.440 --> 3:11:47.039 my shit didn't go away anyway, but he came. 3:11:48.760 --> 3:11:50.320 Came back into the ap M D album. 3:11:53.640 --> 3:11:54.360 That's what I'm saying. 3:11:55.560 --> 3:11:58.760 But yeah, you know what, that's right. So he came 3:11:58.840 --> 3:11:59.760 back and got me anyway. 3:12:02.120 --> 3:12:03.440 I feel like we should make no noise of that. 3:12:07.560 --> 3:12:09.160 But you run on nas twice. 3:12:09.840 --> 3:12:10.080 Damn. 3:12:11.040 --> 3:12:12.920 I ain't really fun him. I just the fact that 3:12:14.040 --> 3:12:15.920 he might maybe he was serious, maybe he wasn't. But 3:12:15.959 --> 3:12:17.840 I played the record for him because I had to 3:12:17.920 --> 3:12:20.200 sample him, and he's like, what's up with that? 3:12:24.600 --> 3:12:25.480 I was going to ask you. 3:12:27.520 --> 3:12:30.000 I think you already answered this, but maybe this one 3:12:30.120 --> 3:12:34.200 that we didn't speak about. I remember I did a 3:12:34.600 --> 3:12:41.039 KANDU which is and come up to me and said, 3:12:41.240 --> 3:12:43.480 I got this girl that wanted to do the West 3:12:43.560 --> 3:12:47.680 Indian version of it. All right, cool whatever, whatever, and 3:12:48.360 --> 3:12:51.760 it was there was it was gonna say Barbados, you know, 3:12:52.720 --> 3:12:55.240 like Turan k Goos, like ship like that, you know, 3:12:55.360 --> 3:12:56.640 trinidadad Jamaica. 3:12:57.360 --> 3:13:01.920 Right, it was Rihanna. What she wasn't even at the time. 3:13:01.959 --> 3:13:04.040 I know that, I know, I know, I know, I know, 3:13:05.320 --> 3:13:07.039 so so I was like, yeah, no problem. 3:13:07.360 --> 3:13:07.800 And then. 3:13:09.760 --> 3:13:11.760 I was like, yeah, she just wants fifteen grand and 3:13:11.840 --> 3:13:13.800 I was just like at the time I had what 3:13:14.000 --> 3:13:14.600 she Wants? 3:13:15.040 --> 3:13:16.480 Yeah, what was she famous? 3:13:17.240 --> 3:13:19.800 She had the song part of the Yeah, okay, that 3:13:20.200 --> 3:13:21.800 song replay. 3:13:22.360 --> 3:13:26.760 That said part of the river, Yeah, yeah on the river. 3:13:26.920 --> 3:13:30.680 You know, no, I said part of the river Regga 3:13:30.800 --> 3:13:33.959 joins me. So biggest mistake of my career. 3:13:34.959 --> 3:13:37.960 So you got one of those. That's the biggest. That's 3:13:38.240 --> 3:13:41.040 one of my biggest stakes. You named some, But is 3:13:41.080 --> 3:13:45.520 there one that you didn't name to night that you think. 3:13:46.840 --> 3:13:48.199 It's like, No, this is the biggest. 3:13:48.440 --> 3:13:49.280 Nahs is the biggest. 3:13:49.280 --> 3:13:52.720 Okay, to this day, I still again, I can't believe 3:13:52.720 --> 3:13:56.240 that that EPMD record happened, you know, because but again 3:13:56.800 --> 3:13:59.920 me not working and doing any produced records on him. 3:14:00.720 --> 3:14:02.880 That's one thing I wish I had inside my road, 3:14:03.120 --> 3:14:09.280 inside my catalogue is him is Yeah, It's gonna happen. 3:14:09.280 --> 3:14:10.640 I ain't the only one that said it though, but 3:14:11.240 --> 3:14:13.279 mad people say about him. 3:14:13.560 --> 3:14:15.800 Like meaning meaning like they presented him. 3:14:16.360 --> 3:14:18.640 No just to work with him, you know, I have 3:14:18.720 --> 3:14:20.600 to be able to say but I work with but 3:14:21.480 --> 3:14:23.000 we just say I have a record. 3:14:23.000 --> 3:14:26.680 That I made for him, right, well, let's speak it 3:14:26.720 --> 3:14:27.960 into existence now. 3:14:28.080 --> 3:14:31.880 Hell yeah on my album, I don't think Wow he 3:14:32.160 --> 3:14:33.560 made all the albums he made. 3:14:33.840 --> 3:14:36.080 Nah, he's still got so much music. I feel. 3:14:36.080 --> 3:14:37.280 I don't think. I don't think he coming up. I 3:14:37.280 --> 3:14:38.960 don't think he's coming up for a while. And he 3:14:39.040 --> 3:14:41.000 did four or five back to back. 3:14:41.080 --> 3:14:43.800 I think he's I think he's gonna go even further. 3:14:44.080 --> 3:14:44.880 Yeah, I think he is. 3:14:45.280 --> 3:14:48.120 You can be honest. I think I think you know 3:14:48.240 --> 3:14:49.000 what I think. 3:14:49.080 --> 3:14:53.200 So, I think he's enjoying he's he's on a streak too. 3:14:53.320 --> 3:14:53.520 Yeah. 3:14:53.560 --> 3:14:56.720 I think he's enjoying that independency and he's enjoying what 3:14:57.000 --> 3:14:58.360 me and you spoke about earlier. 3:14:58.640 --> 3:15:01.520 We spoke about earlier. Excuse me with Fad Joe, he. 3:15:01.600 --> 3:15:04.080 Said that, he said, he said, I'm making records because 3:15:04.120 --> 3:15:04.520 I want to. 3:15:04.640 --> 3:15:06.200 He want to. Yeah, yeah, you don't know. I think 3:15:06.280 --> 3:15:08.680 that was giving Nas that freedom right now. 3:15:09.040 --> 3:15:11.360 Yeah, I don't think that he's doing a thing because again, 3:15:11.520 --> 3:15:14.280 Nas got so much dope ship for you know, the 3:15:14.520 --> 3:15:16.360 money that he making, the dimensions that he makes. I 3:15:16.400 --> 3:15:17.640 don't know he wanted to be. 3:15:17.760 --> 3:15:19.240 He got a casino in Queens. 3:15:19.280 --> 3:15:25.160 He about to bill God damn it. He's not such 3:15:25.160 --> 3:15:29.920 a great exactly. But I'm gonna be honest. 3:15:32.080 --> 3:15:35.200 With Fad Joe said to me yesterday, made sense to 3:15:35.320 --> 3:15:39.760 what NAS has been doing, doing something because you want 3:15:39.800 --> 3:15:43.920 to do Because we gotta remember a part of us, 3:15:44.400 --> 3:15:48.440 all of us real artists, probably would have still rapped 3:15:48.440 --> 3:15:51.560 if we didn't make money, like we probably would have 3:15:51.600 --> 3:15:53.080 still like did it as a hobby. 3:15:53.160 --> 3:15:55.119 Maybe it wouldn't have been you know what I mean. 3:15:55.240 --> 3:16:00.280 But my first like you just said, you had signed 3:16:00.280 --> 3:16:02.840 for seven hundred and fifty dollars, I got signed five thousand. 3:16:03.360 --> 3:16:06.480 But we basically was doing it for the love then, right. 3:16:06.720 --> 3:16:09.280 We didn't make money then, and then we made it 3:16:09.360 --> 3:16:15.800 into a business. So uh, I love. 3:16:17.400 --> 3:16:24.080 Yah, I love it. I really shure me. I love 3:16:26.160 --> 3:16:26.600 so bat. 3:16:26.840 --> 3:16:34.240 I'm hot, No, I'm hot as this again. Having the 3:16:34.360 --> 3:16:37.960 Marvin Gaye try to you know what's bugged out? People said, 3:16:38.000 --> 3:16:41.680 I tried to strike lightning twice. I just happened to 3:16:41.720 --> 3:16:43.960 have the record on there. Of course the label let's 3:16:44.000 --> 3:16:47.800 go with that One's what I'm hot. Oh. I did 3:16:47.840 --> 3:16:50.000 the Marvin Gary Body, but since I fucked around and 3:16:50.480 --> 3:16:51.959 had another one, it worked. 3:16:53.360 --> 3:16:56.320 It didn't work work, but again it did what need 3:16:56.360 --> 3:16:57.360 to do. It didn't need to do. 3:16:57.520 --> 3:17:02.480 But that's I'm walking around with the samples making records, 3:17:02.520 --> 3:17:05.280 don't know that I want to actually use it, right, 3:17:05.560 --> 3:17:07.880 And I just had the acapellas. If it's fun to 3:17:07.959 --> 3:17:09.200 fuck with to be chopping them, you. 3:17:09.240 --> 3:17:15.960 Know, that's a that's a question for me. Is we 3:17:16.080 --> 3:17:22.800 talked about you getting you're publishing right, but you also 3:17:22.959 --> 3:17:26.160 sample a lot of times when you sample, people want 3:17:26.240 --> 3:17:28.160 one hundred percent that published. 3:17:28.320 --> 3:17:28.920 Did they take it? 3:17:29.600 --> 3:17:29.640 So? 3:17:31.200 --> 3:17:33.360 How many times have you sampled and they asked for 3:17:33.400 --> 3:17:34.240 one hundred percent of that? 3:17:34.520 --> 3:17:42.160 Publisher who asks epm D got real blessed back then 3:17:42.200 --> 3:17:45.400 because we got we didn't clear Roger, we didn't clear 3:17:45.440 --> 3:17:49.320 every early and before sampling. But yeah, but they still 3:17:49.800 --> 3:17:51.920 came at us. But just like for ten thousand dollars 3:17:52.600 --> 3:17:55.200 the small ship, you know what I'm saying. But the 3:17:55.280 --> 3:17:57.920 people that take the one hundred percent, you have to 3:17:58.000 --> 3:18:01.160 really want it. Like the RESU bought dogs to me right, 3:18:01.200 --> 3:18:03.359 Well that was one hundred. 3:18:03.080 --> 3:18:03.760 Percent by. 3:18:05.160 --> 3:18:06.000 By Isaac Hayes. 3:18:06.280 --> 3:18:07.440 Wow wow. 3:18:08.000 --> 3:18:10.520 But Jay liked it. He wanted so bad he said, 3:18:10.520 --> 3:18:13.280 go ahead and take it, you know, because sometimes people 3:18:13.480 --> 3:18:16.080 take that one hundred funds out how bad you want 3:18:16.120 --> 3:18:20.960 that record, you know, hmhmm, But they'll take it. 3:18:21.480 --> 3:18:23.960 But again like like, like, that's what me. 3:18:24.280 --> 3:18:27.520 You know that we offered to Tupaca estate, go ahead 3:18:27.520 --> 3:18:29.160 and take it because because. 3:18:28.879 --> 3:18:33.320 The hype are it lasts longer for me, the importance 3:18:33.360 --> 3:18:35.280 of the record for you. Yeah, but you said you 3:18:35.360 --> 3:18:38.000 had Tupac am Biggie, is that fear the biggiest of state. 3:18:38.440 --> 3:18:43.000 Yeah, No, bigg state cleared, Okay, same as the mob 3:18:43.080 --> 3:18:46.360 deepest state clear. The the Sean price is state clear, 3:18:46.720 --> 3:18:49.240 their dog estate clear. Like you said before, niggas they 3:18:49.360 --> 3:18:49.920 clear and ship. 3:18:50.240 --> 3:18:50.760 You know what I'm saying. 3:18:50.800 --> 3:18:52.960 But then sometimes you know you got that ship like 3:18:53.120 --> 3:18:53.760 like because. 3:18:53.480 --> 3:18:55.640 You motherfucker Eric Sherman, that's what you got. 3:18:59.520 --> 3:18:59.680 I know. 3:19:00.400 --> 3:19:01.600 I told you I'm being cocky for you. 3:19:01.959 --> 3:19:04.960 But but but the two Pockets, it does. You heard 3:19:05.000 --> 3:19:07.200 stories about it taking long. But again, at the end 3:19:07.240 --> 3:19:09.000 of the day, I tell you can have it. I 3:19:09.080 --> 3:19:13.959 just want the nostalgia the record, right, But I'll play 3:19:14.000 --> 3:19:18.320 it for y'all again. You everybody who hears the record, 3:19:18.360 --> 3:19:20.800 they always their faces. 3:19:21.040 --> 3:19:23.039 I love to watch them because they be like, nah. 3:19:23.320 --> 3:19:25.240 I can't wait. There's no way you can play for 3:19:25.480 --> 3:19:27.840 when we're done right here, No way you can play 3:19:27.840 --> 3:19:28.440 it today when we do. 3:19:28.640 --> 3:19:34.200 Yeah, have you been to Ballet to see Russell the bally. 3:19:35.879 --> 3:19:40.120 He'd be like, he told you to come down to 3:19:40.440 --> 3:19:42.200 health right the whole Now you're gonna love it. 3:19:42.400 --> 3:19:45.720 Yeah, never went Yeah, of course for you too. 3:19:46.160 --> 3:19:46.800 He said you got a. 3:19:46.760 --> 3:19:49.080 Snoop dogg Sweet sat Snoop Dog Sweet. 3:19:49.560 --> 3:19:53.720 Right in the hotel tax Haven over there. Yeah he 3:19:53.920 --> 3:19:57.039 just he went. Russell went and just did this thing. 3:19:57.280 --> 3:19:57.879 You know what I'm saying. 3:19:59.080 --> 3:20:06.960 Yeah, And so this is one time. No, we said 3:20:07.000 --> 3:20:08.480 this is your last one time, like this is just 3:20:08.600 --> 3:20:09.039 go now. 3:20:11.600 --> 3:20:13.119 You take a picture. 3:20:14.280 --> 3:20:17.560 Signed to Depth jam right, we signed as. 3:20:19.720 --> 3:20:20.720 Component Orega. 3:20:20.920 --> 3:20:24.680 Yes, but then they was like, yo, we're not gonna 3:20:24.680 --> 3:20:30.320 sign a Norri solo and a Compone solo, so you. 3:20:30.400 --> 3:20:31.600 Gotta make a pick right now. 3:20:32.320 --> 3:20:34.480 I felt like I already got mynt off Components just 3:20:34.560 --> 3:20:35.959 coming home from from jail. 3:20:37.000 --> 3:20:40.039 So I said, you know what, I let Compone. 3:20:41.800 --> 3:20:42.440 Whining before you. 3:20:43.120 --> 3:20:45.800 Uh, this is after this is this. 3:20:45.959 --> 3:20:47.560 Is when we signed to Death jam I. 3:20:48.280 --> 3:20:50.840 So they had a choice to sign Component Oriega and 3:20:50.959 --> 3:20:54.320 one solo. So they signed Compona Oreega and I said, 3:20:54.360 --> 3:20:57.040 you know what, Coone was just coming home from jail, 3:20:57.120 --> 3:21:06.320 I said, sign Components solo. They did, and then I 3:21:06.440 --> 3:21:08.880 remember me going in because Copone was working on his 3:21:09.000 --> 3:21:12.680 solo before he worked on a Copon on Noriega. And 3:21:12.760 --> 3:21:15.440 I remember me just going in spending my own money. 3:21:15.680 --> 3:21:19.400 Dev Jam would not pay for me to go in 3:21:20.520 --> 3:21:23.040 and record my solo. While I'm waiting for Copone to 3:21:23.080 --> 3:21:31.120 finish his solo, Kevin lows come seize me, and he 3:21:31.240 --> 3:21:35.680 says to me, man and y'all never told you the story. 3:21:35.720 --> 3:21:38.680 I should have told you the story years ago. And 3:21:38.720 --> 3:21:44.160 he goes, you're Eric Sherman right now, and I say, tuned, 3:21:45.360 --> 3:21:46.560 what do you mean? 3:21:47.440 --> 3:21:50.360 He said, that's crazy. 3:21:50.600 --> 3:21:53.440 You feel like Kevin tell you. Kevin llowed to tell 3:21:53.440 --> 3:21:55.640 you this. You know what you said earlier, no capping. 3:21:55.760 --> 3:22:00.200 He's like, Yo, you feel like you you hold than 3:22:00.240 --> 3:22:04.240 the burden of the group. You're holding it down and 3:22:04.360 --> 3:22:06.800 you feel like you're not being compensated the same way 3:22:08.640 --> 3:22:09.160 you will be. 3:22:10.240 --> 3:22:12.720 It's gonna come or of pause. 3:22:13.520 --> 3:22:17.880 And I remember me saying I didn't know what he 3:22:18.080 --> 3:22:24.320 meant by that, and years later I did and don't 3:22:24.959 --> 3:22:30.480 what he meant by that was making a group album 3:22:30.560 --> 3:22:33.760 for me at that time was harder than making a 3:22:33.879 --> 3:22:34.840 solo album for me. 3:22:35.000 --> 3:22:37.039 Yeah, because a. 3:22:37.080 --> 3:22:39.760 Group album I had to collap. 3:22:40.160 --> 3:22:43.280 I had to actually, but then after I made that 3:22:43.400 --> 3:22:47.320 solo album, it was just like, yo, it's so much easier. 3:22:48.440 --> 3:22:51.280 It's way easier. And I remember him telling me that 3:22:51.680 --> 3:22:55.480 I remember me knowing you, but remember me not like saying, damn, 3:22:55.560 --> 3:22:59.160 what does he mean by that? And years later I 3:22:59.280 --> 3:23:02.199 got to know what he meant by that. And sometimes 3:23:03.000 --> 3:23:07.920 you hold the verdict of being. 3:23:09.560 --> 3:23:10.240 That guy. 3:23:12.400 --> 3:23:15.680 Not feeling like it and then applying it. 3:23:19.000 --> 3:23:24.000 And to this day, I always say that my relationship 3:23:24.040 --> 3:23:28.360 with EFN is so much better because of my relationship 3:23:28.400 --> 3:23:28.920 with Compone. 3:23:30.640 --> 3:23:32.439 My relationship with Compone. 3:23:37.959 --> 3:23:40.640 Makes me say I don't ever want to push EFN 3:23:40.760 --> 3:23:43.240 to anything that he doesn't want to do, because I 3:23:43.320 --> 3:23:46.040 did that with Compone and it pushed him away for 3:23:46.120 --> 3:23:49.320 a while, Like I want a compone to be on time. 3:23:51.600 --> 3:23:53.480 My motherfucker's still ain't on time. 3:23:53.600 --> 3:23:55.800 Bro here, yo, who. 3:23:57.600 --> 3:24:00.400 Still ain't on top? But when I pushed him to. 3:24:00.480 --> 3:24:04.760 Be like me, that was not the move, right, you 3:24:04.840 --> 3:24:05.280 know what I mean? 3:24:05.360 --> 3:24:08.040 That's not that was not the move. I should have 3:24:08.120 --> 3:24:10.240 let him be here how he is. And that's the 3:24:10.280 --> 3:24:12.320 reason why I feel like me and f En relationship 3:24:12.400 --> 3:24:16.880 works judgement. He doesn't give a fuck about and we're 3:24:16.879 --> 3:24:19.280 both on time. We kind of try to beat each 3:24:19.280 --> 3:24:20.920 other and see who's on time. 3:24:21.920 --> 3:24:26.160 But so I'm not such time. I'm saying this because 3:24:26.200 --> 3:24:30.160 nobody always nobody knew that, nobody really knew the dynamics 3:24:30.200 --> 3:24:35.640 and will you what really happened between y'all two? Yeah, 3:24:36.840 --> 3:24:38.440 my brother said this. I'm not saying that. I'm just 3:24:38.520 --> 3:24:41.880 saying the fact that even though you went solo, like 3:24:42.440 --> 3:24:44.800 the album didn't come. See, he wasn't like my dynamic 3:24:44.920 --> 3:24:47.480 ship was different. Why did y'all stop. 3:24:47.360 --> 3:24:50.760 Making always thought my dynamic was compared to yours. 3:24:50.920 --> 3:24:53.440 I never knew that they. 3:24:53.440 --> 3:24:56.119 Had a more good had a breakupe. 3:24:56.280 --> 3:24:58.800 He went to jail, so I would have never been 3:24:58.840 --> 3:25:01.400 a solo arm if he didn't go to jail. 3:25:01.480 --> 3:25:04.080 Got you, I got you, I got you like I met. 3:25:04.040 --> 3:25:07.240 No aready doing the promo tour for CNN. That's how 3:25:07.320 --> 3:25:09.320 me and him met. He was the only he was 3:25:09.400 --> 3:25:10.560 doing the run by himself. 3:25:11.040 --> 3:25:14.040 But in my mind, we didn't have the internet back then, 3:25:14.120 --> 3:25:16.119 so we didn't know that you were in parish. If 3:25:16.160 --> 3:25:19.240 that was the case, was I thought I was based 3:25:19.240 --> 3:25:21.800 in my career of for you okay, like you went 3:25:21.920 --> 3:25:27.400 solo that based off a Cube damn you know because. 3:25:29.000 --> 3:25:32.760 Corre, Yeah, these are we're in major groups. 3:25:33.320 --> 3:25:36.720 But that's crazy comparison to what happened there. 3:25:37.560 --> 3:25:40.640 But still he still went solo. Yeah, but it was 3:25:41.120 --> 3:25:43.600 it was crazy. It doesn't matter you still leaving the 3:25:43.800 --> 3:25:44.640 major group. 3:25:45.680 --> 3:25:48.920 But you felt the same like energy that that you saw. 3:25:49.120 --> 3:25:51.360 We all SAWQ go through with no vassaline. 3:25:51.560 --> 3:25:54.240 No, just the fact that you the part of leaving 3:25:54.280 --> 3:25:57.120 the major group, being in the major group and then 3:25:57.240 --> 3:25:59.359 going your own separate ways. 3:25:59.480 --> 3:26:02.480 And then how to create your own identity, creating that. 3:26:02.640 --> 3:26:05.080 And then and then seeing if it's gonna if people 3:26:05.080 --> 3:26:07.720 are gonna accept it as that Cuba tell your old 3:26:07.760 --> 3:26:11.640 time too with so and so about not knowing you 3:26:12.040 --> 3:26:14.000 skart of depth, you know whatever, you know, how people 3:26:14.040 --> 3:26:16.320 are you tell you that you know yo, yo, you 3:26:16.400 --> 3:26:17.080 better with the group. 3:26:17.280 --> 3:26:19.160 I mean if you if you look at it. It 3:26:19.320 --> 3:26:21.760 was crazy for Cube to leave n W at its height. 3:26:21.959 --> 3:26:24.560 They come from such a hit and that's when he 3:26:24.680 --> 3:26:26.560 left the hours with the break and people didn't. 3:26:27.000 --> 3:26:29.320 It still was people still like there's no way epm 3:26:29.360 --> 3:26:31.520 d Brook and you know how big that that was 3:26:31.680 --> 3:26:34.680 huge for people, you know, But again things happened, but 3:26:34.720 --> 3:26:35.920 you don't know it's gonna work for you. 3:26:37.800 --> 3:26:41.840 Wow, but you but you were the primary producer in 3:26:41.959 --> 3:26:42.360 e PM. 3:26:42.400 --> 3:26:44.720 You know, in the beginning it was Paris did the 3:26:44.800 --> 3:26:48.920 first album. People don't know really because people, you know, 3:26:48.959 --> 3:26:52.760 they always might think that it's me because he stopped working. 3:26:54.720 --> 3:26:58.880 But again, don't forget he knew about this stuff before 3:26:58.920 --> 3:26:59.240 I did. 3:26:59.600 --> 3:27:00.320 Is the older than you. 3:27:00.480 --> 3:27:03.760 But yeah, by the year or so. But at the 3:27:03.840 --> 3:27:09.600 end of the day, you know, I just learned how 3:27:09.680 --> 3:27:12.760 to do it by the second album. 3:27:13.680 --> 3:27:14.039 Mm hmm. 3:27:14.280 --> 3:27:17.440 You know, I'm glad you did. 3:27:17.879 --> 3:27:22.080 You know. So when when someone so when it's what 3:27:22.200 --> 3:27:26.080 you're saying came, you know, it was it was you know, 3:27:26.200 --> 3:27:29.880 that was the beginning of where I was starting at. 3:27:30.560 --> 3:27:32.280 You know, shout out to both of y'all. 3:27:32.320 --> 3:27:32.480 Man. 3:27:33.120 --> 3:27:38.760 So, so let me ask you, right, like I love 3:27:38.840 --> 3:27:42.480 to ask artist this question. What's on your rider? 3:27:44.040 --> 3:27:46.440 I don't get it. I don't when you when you're the. 3:27:46.440 --> 3:27:48.880 Show, no trow like if somebody is a book you 3:27:49.080 --> 3:27:50.280 to the show. 3:27:50.320 --> 3:27:54.440 Oh yeah, yeah, damn. I I didn't even do all that. 3:27:54.720 --> 3:27:57.240 I wasn't even in it. Like that. Whatever food that 3:27:57.400 --> 3:28:04.080 came with you had chicken, salmon, rice vegetables. But people 3:28:04.200 --> 3:28:10.440 had rolling paper, fucking alcohol whatever. I don't and I 3:28:10.480 --> 3:28:15.360 didn't care. I never cared. Yeah, I ain't, that's it. 3:28:15.760 --> 3:28:19.640 I never looked at no, right, I never did that. 3:28:19.840 --> 3:28:23.400 I know you ain't asked for missus Chiles as ship, 3:28:23.640 --> 3:28:26.600 little Roy Rogers nothing and ms. 3:28:28.600 --> 3:28:34.039 The Blue Ones. That's my I'm not making fun of people. 3:28:34.280 --> 3:28:35.960 They just take all the others. Just ket the Blue 3:28:36.000 --> 3:28:36.520 Ones in there. 3:28:37.000 --> 3:28:38.200 I that was ever real. 3:28:38.640 --> 3:28:43.160 It's real, yeah, people, that's deepest ship people. See if 3:28:43.200 --> 3:28:45.400 people would do it though, yeah, they would do it. 3:28:45.560 --> 3:28:47.160 But I'm saying, do you think they said it just 3:28:47.240 --> 3:28:48.880 to see if it would get done? No, that's what 3:28:48.959 --> 3:28:49.360 they want. 3:28:50.240 --> 3:28:53.879 That's wild. Who didn't live opus. 3:28:57.120 --> 3:28:57.560 Madonna? 3:28:57.879 --> 3:29:00.560 I want the water that's from from BALI get it 3:29:00.600 --> 3:29:01.280 shipped over here. 3:29:01.760 --> 3:29:03.000 How would she know it's from Bali? 3:29:03.080 --> 3:29:03.160 Bro? 3:29:03.240 --> 3:29:05.640 I would I would have gotten water put Polly on that. 3:29:06.240 --> 3:29:08.680 No, she knew because they got it in that dressing room. 3:29:09.440 --> 3:29:12.640 Have you ever met somebody that that you were disappointed 3:29:13.200 --> 3:29:15.760 after meeting him and he was like, fuck, Scott was 3:29:15.760 --> 3:29:16.279 an asshole? 3:29:17.840 --> 3:29:18.040 Wow? 3:29:18.080 --> 3:29:18.720 Who was that? 3:29:20.480 --> 3:29:20.920 Mister Lee? 3:29:21.840 --> 3:29:23.600 I don't know, not off the off the bat, but 3:29:23.680 --> 3:29:26.879 it happened though I can't. I can't remember, but yeah, 3:29:26.879 --> 3:29:30.920 I just wanted somebody, holy ship. I wish I could 3:29:30.959 --> 3:29:31.640 even name, right, I. 3:29:31.680 --> 3:29:36.000 Wish you could name the name too, think about it, Gota, 3:29:39.080 --> 3:29:44.360 no tell me, Denzel Washington. 3:29:44.480 --> 3:29:46.040 Somebody gave me the side, you know when you could 3:29:46.040 --> 3:29:48.879 decide like that, Yeah, one of those. 3:29:50.640 --> 3:29:52.760 Who's that? Somebody? I don't remember. 3:29:54.280 --> 3:29:58.359 We don't got to talk about it, right, Well. 3:29:59.200 --> 3:30:01.680 We did it. We did it, Eric, sir. 3:30:02.120 --> 3:30:07.080 So that's your whole your phone, it's my phone, it's 3:30:07.120 --> 3:30:09.840 my phone. No, there's fucking questions, man, that's the phones, 3:30:09.920 --> 3:30:14.520 the phones and ship. You answered, you can ask about 3:30:14.560 --> 3:30:17.080 the fucking doory me. And then here's which is you 3:30:17.120 --> 3:30:18.400 went off the whole script with. 3:30:18.440 --> 3:30:19.039 Some other ship. 3:30:21.120 --> 3:30:23.560 I mean, I'm a special education student. I went to 3:30:23.600 --> 3:30:26.360 the resource room in case you didn't know. Listen, man, 3:30:26.400 --> 3:30:28.400 you got notes. Man, it works out, it works out, 3:30:28.440 --> 3:30:31.800 it works out. Okay, you asked every one of my questions, 3:30:32.200 --> 3:30:34.440 all step ups, bomb Diggy. 3:30:35.760 --> 3:30:36.959 What's up with the records though? 3:30:37.040 --> 3:30:39.039 What you just. 3:30:42.440 --> 3:30:44.840 Pick out my records? The bomb Diggy. We never talked 3:30:44.840 --> 3:30:47.600 about bomb Diggy. Wasn't it wasn't it wasn't. All the 3:30:47.640 --> 3:30:49.520 ways done by me that's when I had tie Fife 3:30:49.560 --> 3:30:54.680 with me. We'll do so right, So Queen's niggas so hey, 3:30:54.959 --> 3:30:58.680 the chopping queen, the boom the boom to see that 3:30:58.840 --> 3:31:02.039 wasn't I ain't had that technique yet, but time Fife did, 3:31:03.120 --> 3:31:04.119 it sounded. 3:31:03.840 --> 3:31:05.560 Like me because the defunk part of it. 3:31:06.280 --> 3:31:07.400 So I added some. 3:31:07.440 --> 3:31:11.240 Stuff in there too, But that's mostly tie Fife at 3:31:11.280 --> 3:31:13.640 the time. It's ninety five tip fight. Matter of fact, 3:31:13.680 --> 3:31:17.000 on that second album, was doing like maybe three or 3:31:17.000 --> 3:31:19.160 four records on that because he was my new producer. 3:31:19.560 --> 3:31:20.120 You know what I'm saying. 3:31:20.200 --> 3:31:25.240 He was He had a dope style, you know. So, 3:31:25.640 --> 3:31:29.720 But that's about about that story about on that on 3:31:29.879 --> 3:31:32.640 that record. But I think that I think that again, 3:31:32.760 --> 3:31:37.120 that was a record that too, that LA took off with. 3:31:37.600 --> 3:31:40.120 You know, New York didn't really fuck with it too 3:31:40.240 --> 3:31:43.480 tough then you people loved the second album, that second 3:31:43.480 --> 3:31:45.680 albu of Day, but that single didn't go It didn't 3:31:45.720 --> 3:31:48.240 do nothing except for California. 3:31:48.720 --> 3:31:49.000 Didn't you. 3:31:50.040 --> 3:31:52.520 That's with Derek Angeletti for a while. Wasn't he under 3:31:52.560 --> 3:31:56.600 your prot No? No, no, yeah. 3:31:58.800 --> 3:32:01.520 Only the only ones I can't was fighting rock Waller 3:32:01.560 --> 3:32:06.040 and I can't rock wall with we Gotta get and 3:32:06.160 --> 3:32:09.200 died don't want to come through. Yes, rock Wall is 3:32:09.200 --> 3:32:12.320 one person though to that people again doesn't know, like 3:32:12.400 --> 3:32:15.400 again you know already did the Big Pun, the jay Z, 3:32:15.760 --> 3:32:20.320 the Di the Christian Aguilera's his child, the fucking you know, 3:32:20.440 --> 3:32:21.240 he got his own. 3:32:21.120 --> 3:32:22.240 Record called the rock Waller. 3:32:22.320 --> 3:32:25.720 Whether than people look at them, Jennet Jackson, this nigga 3:32:25.800 --> 3:32:29.800 is fucking one of those, you know, and people don't 3:32:29.840 --> 3:32:31.920 look at it and look at him at all, you know, 3:32:32.040 --> 3:32:34.680 as far as to really as one of those people 3:32:34.920 --> 3:32:37.400 you know, dangerous because I ain't know he did the 3:32:37.400 --> 3:32:41.520 Big Pun record Blue. I had no idea he did 3:32:41.560 --> 3:32:51.800 that song, which one the dude one of the uh man, 3:32:53.640 --> 3:32:56.720 that's rock Wall though, mister Lee, you're not helping at all, bro, 3:32:57.200 --> 3:32:58.160 you're on that record. 3:32:58.400 --> 3:32:59.320 He came up, what. 3:33:03.240 --> 3:33:06.240 Rock Wall did that? Yes, you don't even know this? 3:33:06.560 --> 3:33:11.199 No, no, I was also high mister head of the Sounds. 3:33:11.240 --> 3:33:12.280 Can you google that please? 3:33:12.959 --> 3:33:13.360 You got it? 3:33:14.320 --> 3:33:21.640 Come on, man, this is my camp nigga. Holy shit, 3:33:22.840 --> 3:33:25.360 this is crazy. Two records, no reason to know nothing 3:33:25.400 --> 3:33:30.280 about it. He waved and this he's on both cool 3:33:30.320 --> 3:33:34.640 about none of them. I credit that having a dope life. 3:33:37.480 --> 3:33:39.400 But yo, every sermon, I'm gonna be honest with you. 3:33:39.560 --> 3:33:39.720 Man. 3:33:41.000 --> 3:33:43.680 Last time I saw you, we were on the private 3:33:44.080 --> 3:33:47.440 right Jack, and then the next day I went to 3:33:48.240 --> 3:33:53.640 Nice and I went to Paris. I'm seeing you today 3:33:54.480 --> 3:33:56.840 and tomorrow I am going to Paris. 3:33:57.080 --> 3:33:58.760 Stop lying your good luck. 3:34:00.480 --> 3:34:03.680 Like you travel a lot, nigga. You don't want me 3:34:03.680 --> 3:34:05.480 to drive, but I'm saying the fact that you was 3:34:05.520 --> 3:34:08.360 like you really really be out there enjoying life for real, 3:34:08.640 --> 3:34:10.280 because tomorrow is not promised. I like to. 3:34:15.120 --> 3:34:15.400 See you. 3:34:16.879 --> 3:34:17.199 Niggas. 3:34:17.200 --> 3:34:22.080 You got money and it's not and and and the 3:34:22.800 --> 3:34:25.959 side poss niggas live out here and day County over 3:34:26.000 --> 3:34:30.840 there in Coral keep around. He's gonna be able to joy. 3:34:31.400 --> 3:34:33.760 I mean, how about you, real quick list, you got 3:34:33.840 --> 3:34:37.080 to be you got to be capful. I'm not gonna be. 3:34:37.160 --> 3:34:41.880 I can't be the protect them like that. You know 3:34:42.400 --> 3:34:46.560 you didn't drink bro Listen, My first Wednesday is not 3:34:46.680 --> 3:34:50.080 a coincidence because again, you know, this is my second 3:34:50.160 --> 3:34:53.000 day living in Miami, but you're living in Miami now. 3:34:53.320 --> 3:35:00.960 I just moved yesterday and I can see the water 3:35:01.040 --> 3:35:05.400 and ship. I'm just another I'm just Japan because I'm 3:35:05.440 --> 3:35:08.160 forced and listening, but listen, and my g wagons being 3:35:08.400 --> 3:35:09.880 being sent right now. Listen, but listen to some of 3:35:11.240 --> 3:35:13.600 this place. I'm trying to find out if this is 3:35:13.680 --> 3:35:17.040 me or not right because you because my man. Once 3:35:17.120 --> 3:35:20.960 this nigga left California, I'm like, damn, so La might 3:35:21.040 --> 3:35:23.800 not be the place, will. 3:35:23.640 --> 3:35:24.120 You stop it? 3:35:25.720 --> 3:35:28.160 And so in New York was making me comfortable, like 3:35:28.200 --> 3:35:29.800 you know how you get a comfortability and when you 3:35:29.840 --> 3:35:31.880 get too comfortable, you know, you got to be careful 3:35:31.920 --> 3:35:34.840 with that because you can fall into a comfort zone. 3:35:35.160 --> 3:35:38.640 So I was doing that, and you know, I've always 3:35:38.640 --> 3:35:40.640 been in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying, But I 3:35:40.760 --> 3:35:44.400 knew that that wasn't where I wanted to go now too. 3:35:44.760 --> 3:35:45.800 Yeah, freaking nigga is over. 3:35:46.120 --> 3:35:46.879 You gotta go leave. 3:35:48.520 --> 3:35:59.080 So so my colleagues are here, nor Fat Joe's Hallong 3:36:00.400 --> 3:36:04.160 d like the age group with Ross, make these all 3:36:04.240 --> 3:36:05.680 these people that I know. 3:36:07.320 --> 3:36:08.920 You know what I'm saying, don't forget. 3:36:08.920 --> 3:36:09.360 D J E. 3:36:09.560 --> 3:36:09.720 F N. 3:36:11.440 --> 3:36:15.720 Young Bird, but he was with me right right. 3:36:16.680 --> 3:36:21.120 We got to unreleased ahead, right, so you gotta understand, great, 3:36:21.160 --> 3:36:24.800 young We're going to release that mother. 3:36:26.320 --> 3:36:28.200 With Ross left on my basement floor. 3:36:29.040 --> 3:36:30.360 Wow, like this is. 3:36:31.920 --> 3:36:35.000 This niggas ain't maybe all I know the fact that 3:36:35.160 --> 3:36:40.119 this is what I I want to see for myself, 3:36:40.800 --> 3:36:42.960 if this is where I, you know, supposed to be at. 3:36:43.240 --> 3:36:47.840 Because again, the motivation is what people need to keep, 3:36:47.920 --> 3:36:50.360 you know, just to keep it, keep it fresh. 3:36:50.800 --> 3:36:53.560 You know, I can make music anyway anywhere. 3:36:53.640 --> 3:36:57.480 But the motivation of people doing what I love to 3:36:57.600 --> 3:37:01.200 do makes you do what you love to do and 3:37:01.400 --> 3:37:04.279 at a higher level. So when you out here, dolo 3:37:04.680 --> 3:37:07.520 and you over there by yourself with it and nobody's 3:37:07.560 --> 3:37:09.560 doing that now it's just you. You're still making it. 3:37:09.640 --> 3:37:10.080 But it ain't. 3:37:10.280 --> 3:37:12.600 It ain't the same type of motivation. That's what Atlanta 3:37:12.640 --> 3:37:15.320 had gave me. That's what La had gave me. New 3:37:15.400 --> 3:37:16.560 York had gave me for a while. 3:37:16.720 --> 3:37:18.720 Now, I mean, let me give it to you. Yeah, 3:37:18.800 --> 3:37:20.920 but don't I'm the fuck out of here. Don't really matter. 3:37:21.440 --> 3:37:25.120 Get yourself a public sandwich, a public's public's not a 3:37:25.160 --> 3:37:26.199 public one, but a public. 3:37:27.040 --> 3:37:30.920 And then to the part of the part of the 3:37:32.959 --> 3:37:36.520 of the the the weather part, the part of this 3:37:36.640 --> 3:37:38.480 being like you know, you wake up at seven every 3:37:38.560 --> 3:37:41.320 day right now, be hurricanes. This nigga is this nigga 3:37:41.400 --> 3:37:45.160 right here much jogging five or ten miles. I don't 3:37:45.240 --> 3:37:47.360 know if you lyne that they picking the camera up like, 3:37:47.480 --> 3:37:49.520 He's like, no, you're picking the camera. You're like, okay, 3:37:50.200 --> 3:37:53.320 and now I'm at seven now, nigga the camera. I 3:37:53.440 --> 3:37:54.160 watched the edit. 3:37:54.680 --> 3:37:56.680 I watched the editor here on different sneakers. 3:38:01.320 --> 3:38:03.560 He had on some new bads and they switched to this. 3:38:06.240 --> 3:38:06.640 Only way. 3:38:06.959 --> 3:38:17.040 You're putting one run day a week's worth of running. 3:38:17.360 --> 3:38:20.520 You can skip, man, like you skip to number ten. 3:38:21.200 --> 3:38:25.760 But they're doing the movie. Okay, cut the movie. Oh 3:38:25.879 --> 3:38:27.680 ship that the ice melted? 3:38:29.360 --> 3:38:31.800 Well, well, listen, wet, this is your home now now 3:38:32.000 --> 3:38:34.680 we know you live here. Yes, please come sober drunk 3:38:34.800 --> 3:38:37.199 every time we love it. Man, you are the soberest 3:38:37.280 --> 3:38:40.720 drunk person. I feel I feel like we've been you 3:38:40.959 --> 3:38:42.200 drinking everything we drinking. 3:38:42.600 --> 3:38:44.880 I feel like every time, this right here is the 3:38:44.959 --> 3:38:47.240 dope ship. Though now people get this and this is 3:38:47.280 --> 3:38:47.760 dope and ship. 3:38:48.160 --> 3:38:50.040 But but but but can I can I give you 3:38:50.120 --> 3:38:51.280 a prosper two minutes? Please? 3:38:52.240 --> 3:38:56.200 You a legend. You're an icon in many ways. If 3:38:56.280 --> 3:38:59.080 you weren't here, I wouldn't be here the FM. I 3:38:59.120 --> 3:39:04.760 don't know if you even notice, he didn't go on eBay, 3:39:06.320 --> 3:39:09.320 that's the original. Like, but he has tennis balls from 3:39:09.360 --> 3:39:12.560 carras one, he got he got your he got your 3:39:12.840 --> 3:39:13.800 your tapes on. 3:39:13.920 --> 3:39:17.560 A tape, but the shirt I don't know how many 3:39:17.680 --> 3:39:22.320 times you wore were interviews with other people. I'm like, damn, 3:39:22.360 --> 3:39:25.680 it feels like that, like I saw him before, but 3:39:25.800 --> 3:39:29.880 he never act like like how I see you with 3:39:30.040 --> 3:39:31.880 the path and there and the stuff that you doing 3:39:31.920 --> 3:39:34.480 as far as like, damn, represent I like. 3:39:34.520 --> 3:39:38.360 That called the power for that. That's illegal ship. Let's go. 3:39:40.240 --> 3:39:51.800 Because I didn't make that ship. I can get you 3:39:51.879 --> 3:39:52.680 off that right now. 3:39:54.400 --> 3:39:55.080 He couldn't get. 3:39:56.760 --> 3:39:59.520 Like, that's my life. So at the end of the day, 3:39:59.600 --> 3:40:03.160 But again I realized that now too, at the end 3:40:03.160 --> 3:40:04.640 of the day, I'd be like, damn, these niggas be 3:40:04.720 --> 3:40:06.560 repping and then for y'all to do that, like y'all 3:40:06.680 --> 3:40:09.640 rep for real, like your niggas rep for real, like 3:40:09.760 --> 3:40:13.000 for real for real EPMD repings. So that right there, 3:40:13.040 --> 3:40:14.720 I appreciated that too. But again at the end of 3:40:14.760 --> 3:40:18.920 the day, we was kids not knowing. I was just 3:40:19.040 --> 3:40:21.360 making what we thought it was dope, period, And that's 3:40:21.400 --> 3:40:22.760 what we did. We made what we thought it was 3:40:22.800 --> 3:40:27.280 Dope and the world Man and and and again, don't forget. 3:40:27.320 --> 3:40:30.600 We had the I couldn't come whack? Can you imagine 3:40:30.600 --> 3:40:34.000 you at home? And then Crammed the Crammed understand came 3:40:34.080 --> 3:40:39.879 on first. Yes, that was Red Alert playing that right. 3:40:40.560 --> 3:40:41.520 So the next. 3:40:43.840 --> 3:40:46.000 You know, Craig mac came to my house because Craig 3:40:46.040 --> 3:40:47.320 makes come to my house all the time at my 3:40:47.320 --> 3:40:51.560 grandma's house. Yes, we used to Me and Craig Matt 3:40:51.640 --> 3:40:53.160 used to listen to the radio and see what's coming 3:40:53.200 --> 3:40:56.960 on next. So we heard publicking number one together and 3:40:57.080 --> 3:41:03.360 we heard nobody beats the Biz. So now right, and 3:41:03.480 --> 3:41:08.360 then then the next week I came in the door. 3:41:08.840 --> 3:41:10.040 That was for me. 3:41:10.520 --> 3:41:14.080 So so now don't forget. Then you have question. 3:41:14.120 --> 3:41:16.560 You had KOs one with the bridge and and and 3:41:17.000 --> 3:41:20.560 all that, so we have I got all these people 3:41:20.640 --> 3:41:23.320 to watch. Don't forget me and Paris is the last 3:41:23.400 --> 3:41:28.760 one out from the era. Don't forget you got Robin 3:41:28.800 --> 3:41:29.800 with canes out, you. 3:41:29.800 --> 3:41:32.080 Know, so we know school the last one. 3:41:32.120 --> 3:41:37.200 Now that's the next era. Some of as far as 3:41:38.200 --> 3:41:41.880 me and Paris listening, you hear what we heard. We 3:41:42.040 --> 3:41:45.480 heard kaos one, we heard light, we heard biz, We 3:41:45.600 --> 3:41:47.800 heard rock Him and we heard Public Enemy. 3:41:48.240 --> 3:41:50.640 So imagine you sitting there, so how do we have 3:41:50.840 --> 3:41:52.480 to have to come when you hear that? 3:41:52.800 --> 3:41:55.320 And it's crazy because you guys sounded nothing like anybody 3:41:55.440 --> 3:41:57.000 you was inspired by. 3:41:57.480 --> 3:41:58.240 Well rock him. 3:41:59.120 --> 3:42:00.640 You felt like you sounded like rock Him. 3:42:01.280 --> 3:42:06.440 Because I interview Paris said it into what you're saying. 3:42:06.760 --> 3:42:08.960 Niggas said, we signed the music was black. We have 3:42:09.000 --> 3:42:12.880 to the album strictly business. Help him, you don't sign it. 3:42:12.959 --> 3:42:15.440 But this is what they were saying. Okay, then don't 3:42:15.480 --> 3:42:17.959 forget though, when that e pm D ship was going 3:42:18.000 --> 3:42:20.240 on in rock Him from the next town. Whatever that shit, 3:42:20.280 --> 3:42:22.520 I ain't no joke. Whatever. You can get a smack 3:42:22.600 --> 3:42:25.320 for this. Then EPMD came out like a Digham smack. 3:42:25.360 --> 3:42:27.400 You smacked me and I smack you back. So niggas 3:42:27.600 --> 3:42:30.480 thought that that was the disc again that if you 3:42:30.560 --> 3:42:33.440 don't know that, the hood took that. So now rock 3:42:33.520 --> 3:42:36.800 Him is pissed. I'm like, damn no way. It was 3:42:36.959 --> 3:42:39.320 no way you want beef with him. We can't beat him. 3:42:39.480 --> 3:42:42.440 It came so so Denny says a brother said, diggum, 3:42:42.480 --> 3:42:44.280 I never dug and he couldn't have. Finally enough, so 3:42:44.400 --> 3:42:46.680 I drug him and the dangers on the curve. I'm like, oh, 3:42:46.760 --> 3:42:52.720 we in trouble, were in trouble. All of a sudden 3:42:52.720 --> 3:42:55.240 we saw about the place called the building, and Paris 3:42:55.240 --> 3:42:58.640 saw him in Paris squats the beef. What did parents do? 3:42:59.080 --> 3:43:01.120 What are you saying about these at the bar? And 3:43:01.240 --> 3:43:03.600 like you talked to him and the ship was squashed. 3:43:03.640 --> 3:43:07.800 But again the Hood made that beef just because of 3:43:07.879 --> 3:43:10.200 what you thought you might have heard. So I'm forgeting 3:43:10.560 --> 3:43:12.440 if your man gashed up said you heard him say 3:43:12.480 --> 3:43:15.000 that ship smack me or smack you back? So it 3:43:15.080 --> 3:43:18.600 went crazy. So now you're going we only two towns 3:43:18.680 --> 3:43:26.920 over Brentwood then wine dance right here. Wow, that's my 3:43:27.120 --> 3:43:29.959 mentor who I'm watching who I wouldn't even be going 3:43:30.040 --> 3:43:32.680 that far if I never heard him. My melody and 3:43:32.800 --> 3:43:36.440 fucking every president was the ship. That's what I based 3:43:36.480 --> 3:43:39.520 my shoe off of him. You don't know that, but 3:43:39.560 --> 3:43:42.160 I'm telling you that's incredible. 3:43:42.400 --> 3:43:45.760 And he thinks you dissed them. You don't think that's 3:43:46.440 --> 3:43:51.160 the Hood did it? So they so you ain't had 3:43:51.200 --> 3:43:53.560 no d M back then we'd be like it was. 3:43:53.600 --> 3:43:55.560 No, it was the bar when parasaw him it was 3:43:55.640 --> 3:43:56.200 too late for that. 3:43:56.360 --> 3:44:01.119 It's too late because once that came whatever and then 3:44:01.200 --> 3:44:03.960 we said sounding like the all we said, the virus 3:44:04.040 --> 3:44:05.360 said the all like nigga, you. 3:44:05.320 --> 3:44:08.280 Can said this the awe and the music was wet, worse, 3:44:09.520 --> 3:44:10.840 and he said, did not follow. 3:44:10.920 --> 3:44:13.760 Leather came out, but it's the dig that I never 3:44:13.800 --> 3:44:15.720 dug it. You couldn't follow that. I'm like, oh my god, 3:44:15.760 --> 3:44:17.680 we in trouble, and he twitched it up. 3:44:18.360 --> 3:44:19.040 I was so young. 3:44:19.160 --> 3:44:21.440 I didn't even all of that went over my head. 3:44:21.560 --> 3:44:23.800 Ya No, I said it. That's what all this ship? 3:44:23.840 --> 3:44:24.600 You heard? No say that. 3:44:24.640 --> 3:44:28.120 But the rock record came from me with the autobiography, 3:44:28.600 --> 3:44:30.560 that all that ship he said. He said the same 3:44:30.640 --> 3:44:35.280 thing I told him. He said it in the rhyme Wow, Jesus. 3:44:38.200 --> 3:44:41.959 That day when I went with the street, we talked 3:44:41.959 --> 3:44:42.800 about that story. 3:44:43.240 --> 3:44:43.480 Wow. 3:44:44.160 --> 3:44:46.120 And the next thing, you know, he wrote it in 3:44:46.240 --> 3:44:46.640 the rhyme. 3:44:47.840 --> 3:44:51.200 Yeah, that's that's That's how motherfucking good artist is. You 3:44:51.280 --> 3:44:53.960 sit around, we talked, and then we're writing about that 3:44:54.040 --> 3:44:55.280 ship that you just talked about. 3:44:55.640 --> 3:44:56.520 Right, drink, we did it. 3:44:56.640 --> 3:44:57.080 Let's do it. 3:44:59.400 --> 3:44:59.959 Take a picture. 3:45:01.840 --> 3:45:03.920 Drink Champs is a drink Champs LLC. 3:45:04.080 --> 3:45:07.600 Production, hosts and executive producers n O r E and 3:45:07.800 --> 3:45:12.040 dj e FN. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcast, 3:45:12.280 --> 3:45:17.400 Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks 3:45:17.440 --> 3:45:19.959 for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted 3:45:20.000 --> 3:45:22.320 by Yours Truly, dj e f N and n O 3:45:22.480 --> 3:45:24.520 r E. 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