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Speaker 3: Now when we talk about this brother right here, we
Speaker 3: talk about icon. We talk about a legend. This is
Speaker 3: has had three or four or five careers.
Speaker 1: It was a part of one of the most legendary
Speaker 1: groups of all times.
Speaker 3: Classic album after classic album, then he went on for
Speaker 3: his own career, classic after classic. At the classic then
Speaker 3: he can turn off his producer hat and produce the
Speaker 3: ship out of you and had you sounding right on
Speaker 3: the streets. The people are still sampling him and his being.
Speaker 3: My checks are crazy to this day to this day.
Speaker 3: In case you don't know who we're talking about, we
Speaker 3: talking about the one only we was on one of
Speaker 3: the most one of my favorite flights that was legendary,
Speaker 3: like it was rock excuse me, Big Daddy came to
Speaker 3: the left y'ah ruh in front of you.
Speaker 1: Me and you Red Man.
Speaker 2: Should have had. That was a real.
Speaker 3: Version of soul plane like in my opinion, Leo called
Speaker 3: me like, how do you like the plane?
Speaker 2: The plane is the hotel.
Speaker 4: That's people was. They thought we was really like on
Speaker 4: something crazy, like what are you on? Everybody can asked me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's a plane. But again it was big
Speaker 4: though what I'm saying so, but slick Wick was in.
Speaker 1: The back slick house.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear. Slickick bullies us.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he came in there and he cleaned.
Speaker 3: His bed like like a foul, like like like.
Speaker 1: You in jail, like you walk in jail.
Speaker 3: You're like this man, Peter, And nobody said no, this
Speaker 3: sick Everybody, like.
Speaker 4: I told you, he's from London, which is also raalty.
Speaker 4: So his eyes from the beginning, we all the crumbs
Speaker 4: ship here, He's like crumbs.
Speaker 2: So the talking was minimum.
Speaker 4: It was worse when he was younger, like no type
Speaker 4: of vision, like not looking whatever. Because again, the coolest
Speaker 4: nigga you ever. You know, Mitch Slipper one of my
Speaker 4: favorite albums, know what I'm saying when you listen to
Speaker 4: the records like that. But Rick's mentality was like that,
Speaker 4: He's way friendlier now but then not really packed the weapon.
Speaker 3: Stories about Slipper around. Yeah, did you see him now?
Speaker 3: He's like cool, calm. I feel like he always has
Speaker 3: a cane in his hand.
Speaker 4: He's just He's just one of those. But you're right,
Speaker 4: you see, he had the whole back of the the
Speaker 4: whole back of the plane.
Speaker 3: He did share what But Redman was on the camera.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting back and I'm looking at these pictures and
Speaker 3: I'm like, these shits are really really dope. You think
Speaker 3: from the experience of us being in front of the
Speaker 3: camera's easy for us to turn over and flip like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I think that. Reggie Listen, when I first
Speaker 4: met him, When I first met him, he was always
Speaker 4: a person where remember being an apartment with sunglasses on
Speaker 4: when I first when Redmen first came here in a
Speaker 4: yellow suit, yellowed two pieces, some shades Okay, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: the two piece ill like too, like the the you know,
Speaker 4: the jacket with the pants but yellow though you know,
Speaker 4: the Iller ship though crazy. But Ressie was always always
Speaker 4: like a person that even now with technology, whatever the
Speaker 4: new ship came out, whatever new technology game, whatever he
Speaker 4: had it, he bought his mind whatever he was so
Speaker 4: whatever he put his mind to, he can do it.
Speaker 4: So I wasn't even shocked about him doing cameras and
Speaker 4: doing his own videos whatever like that. He always had
Speaker 4: the vision to do whatever, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: So I wasn't shocked by it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And that's the part that's really ill though to the
Speaker 4: sky driving part, the sky diving which which we asked
Speaker 4: him and he says, like the freedom that he gets,
Speaker 4: which is crazy because is if you know, to jump
Speaker 4: out the plane because he started with the people where
Speaker 4: they hold now it's just him rocket the freedom that
Speaker 4: he got to do that because Dougie Fresh asked him
Speaker 4: like is it a fifty to fifty chance? You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like you know, are you gonna make it?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But you see, he sees
Speaker 4: soulas and that whole ship.
Speaker 2: The older red man gets kind of whiter.
Speaker 3: He's becomes become a white guy.
Speaker 5: You're crazy about that, yo, But you know what, when
Speaker 5: you speak to him, his mind is just another thing
Speaker 5: that whatever he found, he found something else, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know what type of piece that he got, but he
Speaker 4: found it, right, So I you know, people look for that.
Speaker 3: But let's talk about why we was all on that
Speaker 3: plane anyway. Uh, Leo kom Yes, who has been a.
Speaker 2: Great I was a great interview with Leo Cohmen, Oh.
Speaker 3: That's my man. But he's been a great guy to me. Right,
Speaker 3: But I want to address something, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Dame Dash.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it's picking on him. Dame
Speaker 3: Dash has an issue with right. Right. I chose not
Speaker 3: to bring up Dame Dash in a Leo interview because
Speaker 3: I wanted to keep it possible, right, But you know,
Speaker 3: it's something you can't avoid. Like, I don't look at
Speaker 3: Leo as a coach of not me personal personally. He's
Speaker 3: he's personally came to me and made me a better artist.
Speaker 3: He told me I had a little bit more money,
Speaker 3: and he said, if you stick with me, I'm going
Speaker 3: to give you a career.
Speaker 2: So I stuck with Leo, and I got a career.
Speaker 1: I had a career.
Speaker 3: But Dame famously calls him a coach of WoT do
Speaker 3: you think he's is that such thing?
Speaker 1: Can you be that when you off the culture?
Speaker 4: One thing that I know about Leo Cohen is the
Speaker 4: fact that in the beginning, don't think.
Speaker 2: That he managed run.
Speaker 4: He managed Russian management, but he managed running him. See
Speaker 4: first happened. So when rush management there, he's there from
Speaker 4: the beginning. That's the part. It's kind of get confusing
Speaker 4: when you hear it. See, Dame had a different experience
Speaker 4: with him, right, because Dame is powerful. Don't think a
Speaker 4: rocketfeller didn't really need them except for distribution. Right, So
Speaker 4: when when start taking credit, that's when I think it
Speaker 4: got ugly. But I'm like, you know, to Leo Kellen,
Speaker 4: he helped me. You know again, he was the person
Speaker 4: that showed me what it was and and but again
Speaker 4: you can't take the hip hop from him. I watched him.
Speaker 4: I watched him be like that shit swack. That's not
Speaker 4: that's not fly, it's not dope like to like not
Speaker 4: you how you know this ship? So around Russell. That's
Speaker 4: why Russell was the man in the back. Leo was
Speaker 4: the up front. You can't be the up front of
Speaker 4: you on those ship. But for him to be like
Speaker 4: that ship is horrible. I don't know what that shit is.
Speaker 4: Get that bull shit out of it. And that's how
Speaker 4: he how he was no hesitation, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So we did coss Before I had coss Over, I
Speaker 4: had the last the fourth album done right Gold think
Speaker 4: I had did with it Dad. It was number one
Speaker 4: the whole nine. So we had the song on the
Speaker 4: fourth album called don't play Me play the next Man,
Speaker 4: trying to do a course over part I mean go
Speaker 4: to ther part two. Him and Russell. If he dropped
Speaker 4: that record, your career was sobo. I never so imagine this.
Speaker 4: So I'm like me and parais Is amped on the record.
Speaker 4: So when I was in La, when I got the
Speaker 4: tip of Silvers cassette tape, you hear b will tell
Speaker 4: the story because again when I got the tape, I
Speaker 4: bring the cassette, I said, Cube, I got some shit
Speaker 4: called type of Sills. I want you to listened to it.
Speaker 4: So I brung it to Cube, by some but another
Speaker 4: story though. But Roger Trautman had just came out, so
Speaker 4: I took his new album and I went through it wow,
Speaker 4: and then I heard whatever you want. I heard it, so.
Speaker 2: I went home and sampled it.
Speaker 4: So then I went back to them and they said
Speaker 4: that's the one.
Speaker 2: And then the night after that.
Speaker 4: Wesed in the studio all of us and I played
Speaker 4: the head Banger beat and that's when Reggie was like negros.
Speaker 4: We started wilding out. I started doing the honest ship
Speaker 4: you know. That wasn't really our style with the with
Speaker 4: the you know behind it that was that was us.
Speaker 4: But again it felt like the record. I made the
Speaker 4: record for Cube. I never got it to him. Head
Speaker 4: bang yes, head bang ye m hm. That would have
Speaker 4: been after America's most wanting yes right because because what happened, No,
Speaker 4: you can, because.
Speaker 1: What happened was there. I could hear them.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the hook wasn't.
Speaker 4: Just the beat was loud, like if it sounds like
Speaker 4: some Lynch exactly Lynch mob also too, with keep hang
Speaker 4: shotting them, I felt like, you know, something like loud
Speaker 4: with the birds the day, so it was loud. So
Speaker 4: I made that for him. I never got it to him.
Speaker 4: So the last two songs, Course Over and Headbang was
Speaker 4: the last two songs that was made on that, Course
Speaker 4: on on that, But it's never personal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. I'm bouncing around a little bit.
Speaker 4: You go ahead.
Speaker 3: Did you ever get caught up in the East Coast
Speaker 3: West Coast? Because I remember listening to our record with
Speaker 3: you and Too Short? Remember too Short actually saying that?
Speaker 3: He says, No, that's coach West Coast stuff to the
Speaker 3: East Coast, West Coast stuff.
Speaker 2: Have you ever got caught in him?
Speaker 4: And I know, I'll tell you what. Yeah, your Puerto
Speaker 4: Ricans that came out of fixedling. Sometimes you nigga niggas
Speaker 4: porty vecan like, Yo, what's up?
Speaker 1: Nigga?
Speaker 4: NI say hold on, nigga, the too Short he wrung
Speaker 4: it to me, like, yo, you know why this is
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 2: Me and you're the only one that's doing this.
Speaker 4: I didn't even peep that while the world was was
Speaker 4: going what they was doing, Me and Short was just
Speaker 4: friends because we're in a landa so weren't you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We in Georgia, New York guys, right.
Speaker 1: West coast.
Speaker 2: We just enjoying Georgia.
Speaker 4: Not realizing what's going on with that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: we know, but we ain't tripping on that because we
Speaker 4: another whole place.
Speaker 3: I remember at one point death Jam would not allow
Speaker 3: us to wear white shirts.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, to tell them.
Speaker 3: Because I think that was like trying to be neutral.
Speaker 3: That's that's how in l A l A and l
Speaker 3: A you were knowing that they're like, yo, don't wear
Speaker 3: white shirts.
Speaker 2: That's what the East Coast and they was looking for you.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm saying I'm a bad You got to
Speaker 4: know what it's talking about. Reggae Tony and that that
Speaker 4: type of beat. That's the only time he let nigga
Speaker 4: know he was.
Speaker 3: You know, the first prime to the industry was Jose
Speaker 3: Luis gotcha, I don't know, but l A l A
Speaker 3: if you ever heard it, andbody the top was repend.
Speaker 1: The Puerto Rican people off time.
Speaker 3: Because you know they you know, I get inducted into
Speaker 3: the Latin Heritage Month every every they mentioned me, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, but that for real, that people got
Speaker 4: to look at that. Nobody did what you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw reggae thing early.
Speaker 3: I seen I was in Puerto Rico and I've seen
Speaker 3: you know, no, I saw no. I saw a female
Speaker 3: dancing to it, and I thought of a Spanish reggae.
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, because I didn't really understand.
Speaker 3: I was like, and it came on after boom. I
Speaker 3: mean it was emulating reggae. It was everybody to reggae.
Speaker 3: And I came back home and I was like, yo
Speaker 3: the DJ enough DJ Camillo, and I was like, yoah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're playing the Spanish reggae. And they looked at me
Speaker 3: like what the fuck is you talking about?
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 3: It was like I was like boom, boom, and then
Speaker 3: it was Dago had the record.
Speaker 1: It was I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's just sound like Spanish biggies
Speaker 3: walls and I was like spins.
Speaker 1: And that's how the DJs.
Speaker 3: The DJs wouldn't with it because God bless at this time,
Speaker 3: they would say, we can only play that at hick parties.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you'll know what means.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's kind of like a derogatory Puerto Rican Yeah,
Speaker 3: calling him Germans to like when people says almost work.
Speaker 2: Is worse Quean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so that's how and you know then linked
Speaker 3: with Dago, linked with Daddy Yankee and don't.
Speaker 4: Want to get that out there yet you didn't know
Speaker 4: it was Latin know, yes, nobody.
Speaker 3: So how did you get Marvin gated clear?
Speaker 4: That said let's let's stop because you be at crime
Speaker 4: and all the behind the post doors. He'd being fucking listen,
Speaker 4: wanted to drink the pop.
Speaker 2: Keep it real food.
Speaker 1: What do you vodka or Japanese whiskey?
Speaker 4: I don't know by Japanese whisk by vodka though, so
Speaker 4: you want me to go vodka? Yeah, okay, vodka with limit,
Speaker 4: going vodka the limit? Okay, ask the question, go ahead.
Speaker 3: How did you get Marvin Gaye to clear the sample?
Speaker 3: Because Wuma has it is if you get Marvin Gaye's
Speaker 3: estate or to clear a sample, then you can't curse
Speaker 3: on the record.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, yes, again I gotta say, but no name every time.
Speaker 4: I can't help he did it though, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry when Bnard stole the record, it was already
Speaker 4: too late. It was already to radio okay and clear channel.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, yeah, so the record was already going okay,
Speaker 4: so they wasn't going to stop it because it was
Speaker 4: a hit.
Speaker 2: I was number one in Miami.
Speaker 4: You know when when that spring break the May twenty eight,
Speaker 4: I couldn't get down whatever that main street was Collin Collins,
Speaker 4: Tyson Beffett came and got me. I was on the school.
Speaker 4: Almost killed myself, the fucking I couldn't get down there,
Speaker 4: not knowing I was number one to when whatever touched.
Speaker 4: But when the record was already going and it was
Speaker 4: number one in Florida, it was too late. He's up
Speaker 4: too fast. So when we called the state, they was like, okay,
Speaker 4: they could stick you up, just place. Stuck me up too,
Speaker 4: but getting another story with niggas sixty thousand dollars to react.
Speaker 2: That stuck me up like big time dame too. They
Speaker 2: got me.
Speaker 4: But but Marvin Gaye as state, I met White, the wife,
Speaker 4: jan And and Eric.
Speaker 2: B had something to do with it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Eric had short arms ship gage lord. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: He made fifty thousand dollars up of that too.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is.
Speaker 4: Crazy right, I'm like, whatever we got to do with
Speaker 4: this at the lawyer anyway, I gave it one fifty
Speaker 4: I paid, but I knew that that was gonna get
Speaker 4: me that four million dollars from Clive Davis. So no
Speaker 4: matter what I knew, if I played it, and the
Speaker 4: thing about it was so crazy, it was already already hot.
Speaker 4: We had so Jimmy I Bean had that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was where that can happen. That's what Daddy DeVito
Speaker 4: and Lawrence. So we had to wait thirty five, thirty
Speaker 4: days or forty days for that to get for them
Speaker 4: to implement that whatever could, for Clive to sign me.
Speaker 4: So we had to wait. But it's again, you know,
Speaker 4: it's cool. But at the end of the day we paid.
Speaker 1: You knew it was a certain investment on your end.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna get it back.
Speaker 4: Yes, because again, but but nod had told Tim Matola
Speaker 4: that yo ever was getting off of two million dollars. Wow.
Speaker 4: So once we told that to Clive, Clive was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I get four million dollars. And then Clive said, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give you fifty to.
Speaker 2: Fifty, So not only four million dollars, but we're gonna
Speaker 2: go I'm.
Speaker 4: The only one straight partnership with that partnership, not hy cleft,
Speaker 4: not busting, not nothing.
Speaker 2: Me that's that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: Now your levee no to me because again he does
Speaker 4: he again they found out though I don't know why,
Speaker 4: you know, in the day you like me like, I
Speaker 4: don't know why you're doing that though, but you know,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: We got to go back to that that's going around.
Speaker 4: I'm saying like yo, because I'm like, why you you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying that, I don't understand what's making
Speaker 4: me special? But well, like I didn't know its later
Speaker 4: on when you hold up nigga, but that was that
Speaker 4: was a label deal, right, or imprint deal or just
Speaker 4: it wasn't that it wasn't my regular production. Like with
Speaker 4: that production, it wasn't. That wasn't he gave me fifty
Speaker 4: That means when he made records sold, I made money.
Speaker 1: But for you as an artist, yes, oh, it wasn't
Speaker 1: even for you to know.
Speaker 4: This was when I got music solo right, Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: it's still ezy, but no, still got me money for
Speaker 4: e p M D. And I knew I wasn't making
Speaker 4: an EPM D album. I just got a budget for
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 2: This nigga was I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why, but if you had a.
Speaker 3: Chance to pick one, whether it being a solo artist,
Speaker 3: in the group or just being a producer. Which one
Speaker 3: would you pick.
Speaker 2: A beat maker your producer.
Speaker 4: Really the reason why is because if you know, E
Speaker 4: p m D like I did what we had to
Speaker 4: do in the beginning, because again, the first tour was
Speaker 4: the runs House Tour, epm D Public going to be
Speaker 4: and Frist, Prince and uh and you know that that
Speaker 4: was the four of us, and then we left that toward.
Speaker 4: The next tour was LJ. Slick Rick came epm D Legends.
Speaker 4: After that was mc hammer, mc hammer, epm dB in
Speaker 4: the Ice. After that, ninety two came, and then the
Speaker 4: Hit Squad came. So now we don't need nobody because
Speaker 4: Dosa is one Reggie e pm D K solo, So
Speaker 4: now we're doing that. So that came with the with
Speaker 4: the whole ship, you got to tour, but that wasn't
Speaker 4: my thing, like the road wasn't really you know, something
Speaker 4: I like to do. That's why when you see me
Speaker 4: now my whole solo career, I ain't tour like I didn't.
Speaker 4: I made money off the production production, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So even now EPMD, we probably did like
Speaker 4: you know, ten shows a year, eleven shows a year.
Speaker 4: I'm the only one in one of my my colleagues
Speaker 4: who we don't do like you got Caine to do ninety,
Speaker 4: Dougie do two hundred and something, God rest of death.
Speaker 4: Bismal Key was one eighty. And this money to be
Speaker 4: made there too. But before I leave my sofa, no
Speaker 4: my college, I want. I need thirty down dollars. So
Speaker 4: if you can do that, then I might even make
Speaker 4: a suggestion to go do it, you know, if if
Speaker 4: I if you want.
Speaker 3: Me to go do that.
Speaker 2: But other than that, though, I'm not coming off my sofa.
Speaker 4: Because again it's not beneficial to me because I'm already
Speaker 4: making this money.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of words tear on the body too
Speaker 1: after a while.
Speaker 4: See what met the man said when he was on here,
Speaker 4: when he said about overseas, he said whatever like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I felt too.
Speaker 3: It's not easy. I can't say this artist's name. But
Speaker 3: I went to his show and he killed the stage
Speaker 3: right as soon as he walked off the stage, like
Speaker 3: he put on this puss face, like and I count
Speaker 3: a face like you know one of them?
Speaker 2: Oh like, and I can.
Speaker 3: Tell like he had he had bills to pay, like
Speaker 3: he didn't want he didn't want to perform.
Speaker 4: It's not for everybody. That's the majority, though it's not.
Speaker 4: You think it's the majority that's the majority. The majority.
Speaker 4: Aw not everybody's a showmanship. Like I said, came like it. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: listen not. You know the big names right, these niggas
Speaker 4: is living. You gotta understand, even at the minimum, if
Speaker 4: you make ten thousand dollars a night, you do one
Speaker 4: hundred shows a million dollars. I don't know a doctor,
Speaker 4: a lawyer, no, no surgeent, nobody. So don't you ever
Speaker 4: look at one of us and be like, yo, numbers
Speaker 4: don't lie.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 4: Don't ever look at one of them and be like,
Speaker 4: I wonder what they're doing now, No, nigga, at the minimum,
Speaker 4: I'm only giving the minimum of what they make. It
Speaker 4: ten thousands a night. If they're doing eighty shows, eighty
Speaker 4: is eight hundred grand. So this is how you look
Speaker 4: at Caine, Rock, Cam Dougie. Those people are the ones
Speaker 4: that you know that you see all the time everywhere,
Speaker 4: who's averaging eighty two hundred shows a year the rock.
Speaker 1: Basis, I don't know they got a tour right now?
Speaker 1: Piece of easy rock. Oh now that that nineties tour
Speaker 1: MC breathe that whole Excuse me that it makes bread.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they make it. But that's why
Speaker 4: every year is pandemonium. So don't look at the when
Speaker 4: people be like, I wonder what they do now they
Speaker 4: get that judge or are you judging that? And I
Speaker 4: got certain people niggas better not even look on this side.
Speaker 4: I was at bottom and selling over seventy million records.
Speaker 1: That means.
Speaker 4: Whatever albums that was out, I was on them, right,
Speaker 4: so you can. And then my publishing, I own it.
Speaker 4: That's why I tell the story about too about young kids,
Speaker 4: about having the publishing, that how important it is to
Speaker 4: have it. That's why all our argument, with all those acts,
Speaker 4: we gotta name them. That that was in here fighting.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Just for metro booming and the weekend sampling you a
Speaker 4: customer for I don't want to know overg and I
Speaker 4: get four percent in that record, right, I bring home
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty thousand dollars every four months. That's
Speaker 4: passive incomfort one, not from the whole only four percent.
Speaker 4: I'most about one record, it right, And there's no cappening. This,
Speaker 4: This is how this ship works. So so when people
Speaker 4: look at certain things and see people out there, especially
Speaker 4: people with the publishing that ship can feature, you'll.
Speaker 2: Know when it's gonna come.
Speaker 4: But every time I look around, But no, friend, Big Tank,
Speaker 4: he's the one that do all the picty ship power.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, being up the whole nine ship,
Speaker 4: stay on there, you know you It just comes when you,
Speaker 4: when you're able to have it. And I sput it
Speaker 4: with parish wow wow because the EP and d stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, is there a reason why you decided when
Speaker 1: he said producer, you said beat maker instead of going along.
Speaker 2: I am not one of them.
Speaker 1: Oat maker, don't know what happened.
Speaker 4: And the beat maker right, A producer tells you that
Speaker 4: beat is dope, and that beats not for you. That
Speaker 4: paragraph is dope, but it should go third. That chorus
Speaker 4: is ill, but it does as those paragraphs. Put that
Speaker 4: second verse first, put that one third. I got to
Speaker 4: create the record. A producer creates the record for the artists.
Speaker 4: So I never claimed to be the best beat maker.
Speaker 4: I know how to make a record. So I'm not
Speaker 4: in that category of niggas saying yo, the nigga I
Speaker 4: ain't never claimed to be that.
Speaker 2: I know how to make a song.
Speaker 1: Though, right, Christy Jones a't gonna say he's a beat maker, right.
Speaker 4: I don't know where that came from. I must sow
Speaker 4: must to happen. You did something, blaze, you said, just blaze. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is for React. That beat went around had to beat.
Speaker 1: This is a rumor I was supposed to be on React.
Speaker 1: Is that a rum yes, not a room, that's yo.
Speaker 2: So because it fit you.
Speaker 4: What happened was we couldn't I really couldn't find nobody
Speaker 4: to be able to understand where I was coming from.
Speaker 4: Brether Meth had to be. But since since that that
Speaker 4: lady was saying the sample, what do you say on
Speaker 4: top of that? So my ship was like whatever she
Speaker 4: said that, I'm that. So that's what what made it
Speaker 4: able to be a record, because I found a way
Speaker 4: to use it. They all had to be. But again, Reggie,
Speaker 4: I took an old verse of Reggie's like I kind
Speaker 4: of like, you know, like devoted it gosh. And then
Speaker 4: I played it for the label and I said, Reggie,
Speaker 4: they like it whatever, So he did it over.
Speaker 2: Wow, But but he wasn't there. I just made ith do.
Speaker 1: We ever find out what she was saying.
Speaker 4: Somebody was saying that she was talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: the rumors like she was talking about suicide, and you
Speaker 4: know that's the rumors.
Speaker 2: You know people they were trying to kill me out there.
Speaker 2: So we never found out officially what she said.
Speaker 4: Somebody, one of the somebody said something that she said.
Speaker 4: But that was one of the main things. She was
Speaker 4: talking about, suicide.
Speaker 3: Because when you perform it, do you let the crowd
Speaker 3: say that work?
Speaker 4: Okay, they do that too, They do the whatever said
Speaker 4: they do again at the end of the day. It
Speaker 4: was so crazy because me having Marvin Gaye and then
Speaker 4: they then again You're looking like, okay, well damn, I'm
Speaker 4: this record is too big. I can't come behind that.
Speaker 4: But I was able to come right behind it with that.
Speaker 4: That's the part too. Had his hands on me like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, you give me another career, you know. So
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, so you know, again,
Speaker 4: I think just blazed two because they was hot, right,
Speaker 4: and I heard the rumors that that they was mad
Speaker 4: that he gave me the beat. They was upset, Wow,
Speaker 4: because they give records away, you the beat. They can
Speaker 4: all say that. But you don't know if it's going
Speaker 4: to be a hit because you had the record.
Speaker 2: This happened to hit.
Speaker 4: And now you're saying, okay, what sixty thousand that was
Speaker 4: just places. That's the most money he ever got for
Speaker 4: a record in his life.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And did he stay there?
Speaker 2: No, that's he never got that no more, never again. Okay, gee, Louise, geez.
Speaker 1: Did you did going back to the beginning of EPMD,
Speaker 1: did you ever see yourself as a so orders from bag?
Speaker 1: Then nah, this is listen. Man.
Speaker 2: Parish was the one that.
Speaker 4: Had experience because his brother was in the business, and
Speaker 4: Paris was in a cool called the Rock Squad. He
Speaker 4: just didn't rhyme. He was a DJ. But when he
Speaker 4: heard when I went to his neighborhood, moved my grandmother,
Speaker 4: I used, I was already had two rhymes. I had
Speaker 4: the bunad Get story and I had Jane. So I
Speaker 4: used to spit those for his friends and him. So
Speaker 4: he was like, you know, one day we're gonna go
Speaker 4: to the studio. So I'm like, this can't be happening.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, you don't kid,
Speaker 4: you don't know. So he went to college because he
Speaker 4: played football, So we skipped eighty five. Eighty six we
Speaker 4: kind of went in, but we skipped that too. Then
Speaker 4: eighty seven we went in and made the first demo
Speaker 4: and that's when November of eighty seven, it's my Thing
Speaker 4: and your customer came out. Now, you guys wasn't on
Speaker 4: depth jam then, No, we was on teating back records
Speaker 4: are independent sleep Yeah, first record, so team Bank Records,
Speaker 4: right man Tron. That was the group that they had.
Speaker 4: And they had Joyce Simms, a lady that was you
Speaker 4: know you oh my ole, they really do. You had
Speaker 4: that the press was kind of crazy. And then they
Speaker 4: signed Nicer Smooth and then they had Craig Matt with
Speaker 4: the zoom zoom zoom. So again we they was moving,
Speaker 4: you know. But but I walked in the in the
Speaker 4: in the spot one day, I saw a new computers,
Speaker 4: a new desks, new cars outside, and we broke figure.
Speaker 4: I signed for fifteen hundred dollars. That means seven hundred
Speaker 4: feet dollars for Paris, seven hundred dollars for me. But
Speaker 4: I was I was a minor. So when Russell went
Speaker 4: in for the audit, he was able to get it.
Speaker 4: So and then because they was in an illegal contract
Speaker 4: with you that too, and they were just robbing you know,
Speaker 4: this wasn't right. So Russell came with it was like
Speaker 4: one point six million dollars and after that was on
Speaker 4: definitely by the whole third album is I'm mad Man
Speaker 4: slaughter fucking you know the old type.
Speaker 2: Of you know this, you know, angry titles.
Speaker 4: You know, when you signed the Depth cham because of
Speaker 4: what was going on with Seambag, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and the rumor was like, which I didn't really
Speaker 3: know to so recently the rumor or the rumor was like,
Speaker 3: uh that you thought it was Parish at first because
Speaker 3: he had the cars and he had the houses and
Speaker 3: you didn't. Oh that's just as far as the e PMD.
Speaker 3: How it got sour. Yeah, that was everybody.
Speaker 4: I mean we watched it and everybody was saying, you know,
Speaker 4: the neighborhood talking. Same with the EPMD Rock and Beef.
Speaker 4: It's the neighborhood that talks, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, again, I wasn't
Speaker 4: on my business, you know, That's what it boils down to.
Speaker 4: You know, you I did think that that count Bow
Speaker 4: and Bert had all of us everybody so but the
Speaker 4: end of the day, bird kind of helped me to right,
Speaker 4: you know, after a while, like when I started seeing things,
Speaker 4: I started learning ship too. But again, at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, when you're young or you're thinking, is
Speaker 4: the negative part, like you know, it's somebody getting me,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So why do you think that's mentality? Like I got
Speaker 3: drunk my first contract too. I got I think five
Speaker 3: grand when the Avera Rex and the cowboy hat and
Speaker 3: gor text books, I thought I was rich, so I was.
Speaker 1: I went to the tunnel.
Speaker 3: You couldn't tell me ship five grand magic? But but
Speaker 3: why do you think And I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 3: I knew my contract was shipped, right, but I was.
Speaker 3: I was under the impression. I was like, yo, let
Speaker 3: me just get into this game and I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: it work. When when do that generation stop and say
Speaker 3: fuck that. I'm gonna get a good contract first, not
Speaker 3: get into this bad ship.
Speaker 1: Because I listened to your.
Speaker 2: Story and.
Speaker 3: That was research and research and researching, and it was
Speaker 3: like you learned the business. After that you kind of
Speaker 3: got and I'm like, damn, that's that's fucking my story.
Speaker 3: Like I had to learn publishing after I sold it,
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I had to learn about
Speaker 3: points after I gave it away.
Speaker 1: That everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is like your experience, from your experience.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have went through it. From my experience, the
Speaker 3: next person shouldn't google.
Speaker 1: When do we stop this ship? When do we tell
Speaker 1: these artists that what they were?
Speaker 4: This is what Kiss was just talking about the last interview.
Speaker 4: I just heard him saying. He's saying that again, is
Speaker 4: he said? Him signing the contract? These days it's like
Speaker 4: for him Robin the bank. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's just a stupid to do. At
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you have to learn that
Speaker 4: all of us who went through it and saw what
Speaker 4: it was, why would you do that? But the fame
Speaker 4: and that checked they dingle in front of you for
Speaker 4: that to be sixty deals. It's hard for a kid
Speaker 4: to be like what you say about points and all
Speaker 4: that type of stuff that you know.
Speaker 1: They which is coated all that stuff is complicing publishing.
Speaker 1: They should learn they should teach a course before you
Speaker 1: get to.
Speaker 3: The merchandising all of that, like they control their merchandise.
Speaker 4: That's the whole thing there too, which is crazy. The
Speaker 4: major r is that you know about you haven't seen
Speaker 4: a T shirt or nothing that they shows. They don't
Speaker 4: own that part. And that's also all that money from
Speaker 4: that three sixty is gone, So that's part was kind
Speaker 4: of crazy for you to be at your own show
Speaker 4: and your own concert and you got no merchandise.
Speaker 1: Even owning your likeness.
Speaker 4: That's what it's like right right then, and then.
Speaker 1: In the language saying in perpetuity throughout the universe, like
Speaker 1: these things are what's the crazy city?
Speaker 3: It's so fucked up right now that they can they
Speaker 3: can take your image and put you in a video
Speaker 3: game that you don't even owe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like like at least when we did Depth
Speaker 3: Jam Fight for the New York we had to actually
Speaker 3: go in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're.
Speaker 3: So right now if you was just signed a three
Speaker 3: sixty deal, your label can put you in Mortal Kombat
Speaker 3: right seven and just had you there and you know what,
Speaker 3: you had a good move on that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I had it call Yeah it was dead
Speaker 1: all nor yeah life Eric, I do it.
Speaker 4: You know, the fucking the move was nice. I don't
Speaker 4: know who he got though, but somebody the ship was crazy.
Speaker 1: If there's anything probably positive of this generation of artists,
Speaker 1: they do have more power to dictate the type of
Speaker 1: deals because they're self sufficient in what they're doing, at
Speaker 1: least on yes, creating their own.
Speaker 2: Doing that revenue. If they're doing that there, if they're
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 4: But the majority of them too, see all that money
Speaker 4: they generated from from them shows, right, that's why they
Speaker 4: so rich. Either they got they got the two million
Speaker 4: dollars for the three sixty, but the shows that you
Speaker 4: see they.
Speaker 2: Torn like crazy.
Speaker 4: They out there in the arenas like early all is
Speaker 4: the reasons all of them is in out there, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know how many.
Speaker 4: He's not a whole bunch, but they but they on them, right,
Speaker 4: But they they that money that you see they got
Speaker 4: is real. But I always tell them, I'm not hating
Speaker 4: on you. Nobody's coming to watch you in the future.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And the scary part they don't understand that when they
Speaker 4: hear it, that means that you see how we can
Speaker 4: rock or the people from the seventies and sixties make
Speaker 4: Jack's one hundred and thirty six years old. This is still.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: You can perform the four hundred and forty million dollars
Speaker 4: when you step on the on that stage for that
Speaker 4: year that tour, meaning that he made records, that's going
Speaker 4: to always be able to people for this show up.
Speaker 4: So when when this error has to go to work,
Speaker 4: how we can go to work if you want to
Speaker 4: go to work and you can go get some money
Speaker 4: whatever they can because when I when I knew when
Speaker 4: they or get forty and they're gonna be talking about
Speaker 4: dick fuck suck pus. See whatever, it.
Speaker 2: Won't match, right, it won't match. No longevity in that right,
Speaker 2: it won't.
Speaker 4: Match is no longer you won't. So I want to
Speaker 4: figure out, how are you going to be able to
Speaker 4: earn money? Nigga? If you didn't save or have some
Speaker 4: type of situation, you won't be able to do what we.
Speaker 1: Do past virality, past going viral.
Speaker 4: Right, this is this quote, and this is what I'm
Speaker 4: saying is so fucking letho, and I wish they could
Speaker 4: hear this, like the fact that when that time comes, right,
Speaker 4: are you going to You're not going to be able
Speaker 4: to work?
Speaker 3: Right, It's real. You remember what I always say, like
Speaker 3: That's why I love Europe because like you just said,
Speaker 3: there's a time, well, you just can't book a show
Speaker 3: in America, right, Europe don't get to see you like that.
Speaker 2: Europe That's kind of saved my life. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I always say, I always say dudef Germany, he always
Speaker 3: last at me. But I was frequenting dudes in Germany.
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck that they paying my quote. I'm
Speaker 3: going That's how I learned about miles and all that.
Speaker 3: I started sucking with the plane tickets because you can't
Speaker 3: be paying that first cast flight and then and they
Speaker 3: get it all in all, if it's all in so
Speaker 3: I would use my points still get that first class
Speaker 3: flight and you put me onto that.
Speaker 1: But Europe, Europe, Europe, you know.
Speaker 3: Part Russia at times, Japan they held me down, They
Speaker 3: helped me down where I didn't have to like take
Speaker 3: these little.
Speaker 1: Because you know that's how they start doing. You didn't
Speaker 1: he go twenty.
Speaker 3: Five, You want me at twenty five, and then you're
Speaker 3: just like, yo, how you doing sh Let me let
Speaker 3: me go, let me go, grab, let me grab that.
Speaker 1: But Europe hold us down, and it almost feels.
Speaker 4: Like they held this they still holding, They still still
Speaker 4: in Europe, getting ready. I see the resund there, said,
Speaker 4: I just saw it fucking goes underd just alcoholic.
Speaker 2: I've seen it right there out there.
Speaker 3: Do you think hip hop lives in Europe more than
Speaker 3: it lives in.
Speaker 4: The well now it does, even though the new stuff
Speaker 4: did infiltrate. I never thought it was going to infistrate.
Speaker 4: But again, kids, come now, you know whatever, whatever you know,
Speaker 4: let me flash back to you, because you flashed back
Speaker 4: a while ago, but you got a mate back outside.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what.
Speaker 4: Year you're talking about. You know what I'm saying, What
Speaker 4: year was that overseas? Because that's a long time.
Speaker 2: That was in the early two thousands, early two thousands.
Speaker 3: This is this is like right before we do, Right
Speaker 3: before we did, I was what I called let me,
Speaker 3: I was what I call a hip hop purgatory. Like
Speaker 3: I wasn't dead, but I damn sure it wasn't a lie.
Speaker 3: Well like I was in that tough, tough space. And
Speaker 3: you know, Joe was there with me, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I had lunch with Joe yesterday, right and
Speaker 3: he said something very interesting to me. You know, we
Speaker 3: always say when we in the studio. This is this
Speaker 3: is our best look, right, it's our best fight. So
Speaker 3: you know, we all think like that. I don't give
Speaker 3: a what you say. So Joe looks at me and goes,
Speaker 3: I think I'm making the best music of my life.
Speaker 3: And I somewhat laugh because I'm like, Nigga, you say
Speaker 3: that every year, right, And he says to me, it's
Speaker 3: because I don't have no pressure no more. And I
Speaker 3: was like, and it's like, so what he's saying is
Speaker 3: when it's no pressure to me, the record label standing
Speaker 3: to me. To me, they are what is that ship
Speaker 3: schedule or whatever?
Speaker 1: And you just make the music.
Speaker 2: And I was like, holy shit, I had.
Speaker 1: Never looked at it like and it goes against our
Speaker 1: argument of indie versus major too, oh, because.
Speaker 2: The major puts that pressure to Okay, good lue.
Speaker 3: We always argue the verse. I said, I'm a major guy,
Speaker 3: he's an indie guy. But does that take the offer
Speaker 3: of you when you're in the studio and you're making
Speaker 3: records and you're just like, yo, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it because of course.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be eventually lucrative, but right now I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna have some fun. I'm to go on.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what my thing was annoying. It was
Speaker 4: on my album too when I made Brunier. That was
Speaker 4: what my feeling was because I didn't have nobody telling
Speaker 4: me about no radio record or what to make. I'm
Speaker 4: doing it because I'm doing it for the culture and
Speaker 4: people that want to hear hip hop. And when I
Speaker 4: did it that way, my colleague showed up. Now I've
Speaker 4: talked about Yo, I wish I made that three hundred record,
Speaker 4: you know, shocking them. Everybody was just snooping them. Was
Speaker 4: just down the line saying, yo, did you get Eeric
Speaker 4: Summon's album? So usually I would hear what the company
Speaker 4: wanted to say. That's how we do. Sometimes they write,
Speaker 4: sometimes we fall into it. It's been a couple of
Speaker 4: times where I made songs. No, I didn't want to
Speaker 4: make them records, but I'll try to depress them to
Speaker 4: get it. But they can go out there and do
Speaker 4: the right thing. But again, when it's no pressure at
Speaker 4: this moment, That's why j just talking about that being
Speaker 4: independent and being the controlled. Joe doesn't care what happens
Speaker 4: because this is what he feels and he ain't worried
Speaker 4: about you know what somebody else is saying if cooland
Speaker 4: Dre says dope or no, say it's dope, and I
Speaker 4: think it's dope. I'm coming out with it, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's how I think that a lot of us feel.
Speaker 4: Who's independent?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Do you think a rapper ever, ever really retires.
Speaker 4: Maybe for not making records, but as far as them
Speaker 4: him doing this and still you know, writing rhymes and
Speaker 4: still now, I think you're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 2: But listen, okay, listen, you keep that to yourself.
Speaker 4: Because don't be busting niggas all that, because because because
Speaker 4: I don't feel that way all that niggas that like
Speaker 4: hip hop and like and like it's like Quincy Jones
Speaker 4: at his age still loves loves this. You know people
Speaker 4: who still loves this. I see Jermaine Dupre and see
Speaker 4: Brian Michael Brian.
Speaker 3: Pre socks right now, to take them guide right them
Speaker 3: socks is crazy, you see, don't it's Louie.
Speaker 1: No, I don't care. Those socks look like slave socks.
Speaker 4: Okay, listen, but I went too far. Yeah, but we
Speaker 4: still like doing it as far as the music is
Speaker 4: being made. And then I think that the question you
Speaker 4: ask is real because again, how many people to be
Speaker 4: tired and came back?
Speaker 3: Yes, like every now and then you see whole doing
Speaker 3: Carcer pop up or something. He's been retired for twenty
Speaker 3: years now. Uh, Joe said he's retired. He told me
Speaker 3: he's in the studio.
Speaker 4: You have to again, Yeah, think about one hundred two
Speaker 4: thousand two kills me too, because again you're not doing
Speaker 4: no runs, but you want to kill him Mike's album.
Speaker 4: But that's the part that bugs out all of every
Speaker 4: other you hear the sound.
Speaker 1: So he did the Flu album. No, it's kind of hard.
Speaker 4: For people to say but that he's still rhymed and
Speaker 4: he's still righting the top level. But he comes and
Speaker 4: does it, so you can't say you're not rhyming, like
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like, so, so imagine if
Speaker 4: you got something to say on that, you got something
Speaker 4: to say. I'm just doing being biased because I wanted
Speaker 4: to come out. You know what I'm saying. I want
Speaker 4: he got something to say. I think he got something
Speaker 4: to say out there.
Speaker 2: I can't help it. Like this was a while ago.
Speaker 3: Well I'm in Carbone and I'm just sitting there and
Speaker 3: I just start writing, just start writing. And no one
Speaker 3: could read my handwriting. No one, not my wife, not
Speaker 3: even my mom.
Speaker 1: You're not handwriting, bro, I mean though, still you just
Speaker 1: went like this, Yeah, no one could read it, like
Speaker 1: put it together.
Speaker 3: The only person who read my mind word I've read
Speaker 3: my rhyme word for words that Kanye West.
Speaker 1: I knew it from him so fast. He was like,
Speaker 1: I looked, I said, holy ship. He spit it out,
Speaker 1: said you wrote it?
Speaker 2: You was like to write it.
Speaker 3: It was creepy. I grab my phones, give me ship.
Speaker 3: What are y'all in carbones? Okay, so you're Kanye what's
Speaker 3: your relationship?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, man, that's a good sea listen at the
Speaker 4: end of the day. I never seen nobody excited about
Speaker 4: music like that. A few people that I've been in
Speaker 4: the lab with, you know, that's like feel the same
Speaker 4: way when the beat come on, in the momentum, the
Speaker 4: whole non same way. Because again, when I started with him,
Speaker 4: we was doing like a lot of hip hop music.
Speaker 4: And there's a room out there saying Eric says that
Speaker 4: the album's coming. I never said nothing like that. I said,
Speaker 4: I was working on the album. We was doing hip
Speaker 4: hop music. Pink Polo Kanye right. Well, the fact that
Speaker 4: it was the beats and stuff, it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: because again you come to get me. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm going to get ready to make You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You come to get me, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So, and we had a vibe, we were
Speaker 4: the momentum was going crazy, and we had mad ideas
Speaker 4: the whole down with or whatever. So but as far
Speaker 4: as him and music, he don't need nobody. I just
Speaker 4: heard consequence saying too, he don't get people to write
Speaker 4: rhymes because he can't rhyme. Is the fact that maybe
Speaker 4: somebody else might have something that might be illa or
Speaker 4: your mind might not go there. People think that because
Speaker 4: the people that are sitting there giving you ideas the
Speaker 4: whole not meaning that you need.
Speaker 1: To do it. He don't.
Speaker 4: There was records that his man played me from twenty
Speaker 4: thirteen that would shake this whole ground up, you know,
Speaker 4: his production, whatever, his rhyme, all that shit his way out.
Speaker 4: So I kind of was bugging out, like what are
Speaker 4: we doing here? But I understand now because this is
Speaker 4: what it is. It's the other idea that you might have.
Speaker 4: So I did the whole lay thing. They went to Japan.
Speaker 4: I didn't go, and then I went to Italy and
Speaker 4: we was, you know, oh there that vibe was dope too.
Speaker 4: When that's when I walked in, I saw Todd dallas
Speaker 4: Sign and him and Dallas Sign had created something else,
Speaker 4: you know that that I wasn't doing when I was there.
Speaker 4: It wasn't mad, but still was you know, you don't
Speaker 4: play with drums, so the whole time it's like, Yo,
Speaker 4: make sure the drums is crazy whatever like that. Make
Speaker 4: sure it's like that, you know. So I was trying
Speaker 4: to do what I could do at that moment. But
Speaker 4: in the beginning, we was making you know, you was
Speaker 4: part of Vulture's one.
Speaker 2: There wasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was the name, you would
Speaker 4: make it with no name. This is the beginning. This
Speaker 4: is you know, we're just trying to set the vibe
Speaker 4: up and see what we get ready to make. But
Speaker 4: we had something going, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 4: I guess and I saw my couple of songs on
Speaker 4: the list when I was in Italy, I saw two
Speaker 4: of my songs on there.
Speaker 2: When it came to my song was known that But
Speaker 2: how did.
Speaker 1: You guys How did that relationship for you to come
Speaker 1: and work with him?
Speaker 2: How did that start?
Speaker 4: He called, He called, He called for me, He called again,
Speaker 4: eighty eight keys, called Bernard again and told me, yo
Speaker 4: that oh Kanye summons you.
Speaker 3: Is how he said it.
Speaker 2: That's where I heard it like that, So it was
Speaker 2: like crumbs.
Speaker 4: Well, but again it was the experience that I, you know,
Speaker 4: being around again, the antics, all that stuff that people.
Speaker 4: I know that fact that when it came down to
Speaker 4: the music, this motherfucker is what you know of a
Speaker 4: pure genius or he needs no one right, but he
Speaker 4: just chooses to do that. You like to collaborate exactly
Speaker 4: the ideas and see what you see where your mind
Speaker 4: is at. Same with Dre, though, because yeah, you did
Speaker 4: that too, Because Dre. When I first got to Dre's
Speaker 4: I did and one night he did three records of
Speaker 4: mine this rhyme, one after the other.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn this nigga.
Speaker 4: Dre just did three songs back to back by two
Speaker 4: thirty three in the morning. I come back. The next
Speaker 4: two days, he we do another record. But you call Snooping,
Speaker 4: So Snoop is doing the jay. I'm like, damn, this
Speaker 4: is four songs. Now full of your production. Right the
Speaker 4: next couple of days, he's doing this song, so I
Speaker 4: rhyme on that. Oh my god, nobody's never going to
Speaker 4: hear this is.
Speaker 1: It's not you don't think it's a part of this
Speaker 1: joint Snoop drap project.
Speaker 4: Not me and his no no, And when I mean,
Speaker 4: I can't even tell you the record.
Speaker 1: This is is how many records somebody got to kidnap Dre.
Speaker 3: I'm just somebody got to kidnap him and let him
Speaker 3: hear his own ship. But yo, man, this song was
Speaker 3: exciting and this belongs to the world in the fact
Speaker 3: of yours. That the the nw A e pm D thing,
Speaker 3: the Eric Simons Dre thing like it would have been
Speaker 3: something to talk about. It's just like when the ship
Speaker 3: went viral without I was there, you know. But this
Speaker 3: record was fantastic. You take us back the epmdnw A thing.
Speaker 2: That's what people saw us as.
Speaker 4: It was always a comparison, not rivals, though not just
Speaker 4: the caparison of of what we did and the music
Speaker 4: they made was almost the same.
Speaker 1: Because they wasn't you was working with y'all were doing
Speaker 1: funk before them the same time, same time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was because when you go back to easy,
Speaker 4: he was already on Parliament and I was doing the same,
Speaker 4: doing that too, would doing it right, well exactly, but
Speaker 4: again not knowing though, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 4: when you go back you can hear the similarities. So
Speaker 4: it's very close. Yeah, well no, you're saying, it's the
Speaker 4: same time, yes, right, So I can't really say who
Speaker 4: had what? You know, I know that in nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 4: it's my thing. You A customer came out cubas me
Speaker 4: and Cuba was tight. That's why you hear Cuban when
Speaker 4: he's speaking about me too. I used to he used to,
Speaker 4: you know, I used to pick him up, take him around.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because again he's to check in with you.
Speaker 4: He can't you know. Cube came to records. Can't make
Speaker 4: it up. Cube came to my house one time, right Atlanta,
Speaker 4: New York, New York. Okay, I ain't have no ac
Speaker 4: in my new home. I just got it.
Speaker 3: He got to Jerry Crow, Jerry Curl, Jerry Kruk, continue
Speaker 3: the a C Jerry Carroll take it him there.
Speaker 4: He goes to the backyard, jumps in the pool, fully
Speaker 4: clothed because he was hot.
Speaker 1: He was hot.
Speaker 4: What happens to the to the Jerry curR I'm saying,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what figureways now, I ain't look at
Speaker 4: all that the fact that he jumped in the pool
Speaker 4: fully clothed.
Speaker 2: Okay, what happens after that?
Speaker 4: Back because we were shooting the sat na's commercial winding?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so you know he just again came over.
Speaker 4: But he must have been hot because you know, you know,
Speaker 4: when you see a pool looking quenching the Knights to
Speaker 4: blue like, it makes you you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: when you see it. So that's he jumped in.
Speaker 1: What kind of money is you getting back then you
Speaker 1: had a pool? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Your money?
Speaker 4: Fact that Jesus nineteen ninety one, that's.
Speaker 3: That long money, yo, that's that longevity. You gotta understand.
Speaker 4: Though we was we didn't know he was producers, So
Speaker 4: don't forget we making the records. We don't know that
Speaker 4: we produce this. So again we already a step aheaded game.
Speaker 4: So so whatever royalties that you was getting over the
Speaker 4: advanceage you was getting, it was still more than somebody
Speaker 4: who was just doing this, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So but how did you not know you were producers already?
Speaker 4: I thought that the records you heard, the people made them.
Speaker 1: That they were already making their own records.
Speaker 4: Everybody who I heard, I thought they made their records.
Speaker 4: So me and Paris went in and did what we
Speaker 4: thought everybody did not knowing, well, then god, you didn't know.
Speaker 4: And then Will Smith was like, stop the show on
Speaker 4: stage one night and said, yo, e pmgs number one
Speaker 4: and Billboard, we'll know what Billboard was neither never forget
Speaker 4: we children. He's like number one in Billboard?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: Afterwards Leo told me, oh, yeah, this is the Billboard charts.
Speaker 2: They're number one.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: So Will been fucking up the stage for a long time.
Speaker 4: Will yeah, said Will was already run DMC talk. But
Speaker 4: the most the seller is fresh Prince theys two point
Speaker 4: five million records. So they but they just don't understand
Speaker 4: that's it. Will used to be backstage saying, yo, I'm
Speaker 4: about to be famous. It's like you're already famous. He
Speaker 4: was talking about being on TV way before it happened. Wow,
Speaker 4: this nigga's so strong, you know. Me, I'm about fifty
Speaker 4: pounds bigger now. But I was still two hundred. Then
Speaker 4: Nigga picked me up and turned me upside down at eighteen.
Speaker 4: At eighteen, all right, I never and I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: first of all, I'm kind of confused, but why are
Speaker 4: you doing this? That's what we were doing it because
Speaker 4: because we're boy you know. But for some reason that
Speaker 4: must something must have happened. And Nigga just you know whatever,
Speaker 4: like it was nothing snatched me whatever eighteen.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been starstruck?
Speaker 4: Jewish serving Julius Irvy doctor J I saw him at
Speaker 4: the Cleveland All Star Awards back in ninety five or
Speaker 4: whatever like that, and I shook a hand, but nothing was.
Speaker 4: I couldn't speak, nothing came out because my whole time,
Speaker 4: all I was thinking about when I was a kid
Speaker 4: was was Irving. When I play basketball, when I shoot
Speaker 4: up like Irving all the time. My family number is
Speaker 4: number six, my lucky number. To me, it's number six.
Speaker 3: The time when you just did like that, you look
Speaker 3: like you you can't play ball at all. Okay, now
Speaker 3: that's the myth. You just did that, you know, embarrassed
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 4: My boys in there they're telling you.
Speaker 1: That's not.
Speaker 2: Might not any time when you want to shoot. Yeah
Speaker 2: at this age.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got the weekend. We got to have a
Speaker 3: back game and we have a handball. Nice and handball.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, water we can side awesome.
Speaker 2: You just selling the truth.
Speaker 4: He was hot and ship.
Speaker 3: You sid trying to.
Speaker 1: Make a handball off national sport in the Olympics.
Speaker 4: I seen your golf outfit, Nigga with the strikes, with
Speaker 4: the fucking I seen you play golf. I don't play golf.
Speaker 4: You have to go off outfit nigga with not the
Speaker 4: handball outfit. Okay, we'll make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to bring handball back. Is the time, Thomas,
Speaker 3: let's do it. Okay, you want to play him in
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 4: You're not asking enough question because again you're gonna edd
Speaker 4: this for two hours.
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 4: Okay, so what so where's the stuff that I read
Speaker 4: the drama that you can drama drama? No, you're not
Speaker 4: acting the whole you know, you ask everything.
Speaker 1: We this is this is just the middle of the
Speaker 1: we get this is the part. This is everybody. Then
Speaker 1: we go off. By the way, I love this, but
Speaker 1: you gotta pick a designated drinker for yourself.
Speaker 4: Nobody drinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can pick Sonny D.
Speaker 1: B T right here.
Speaker 4: Okay, Sonny, you got it.
Speaker 2: Okay, he got a E P M D shirt on. Hey, Sonny,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 4: Time is right so so so if you go out
Speaker 4: there drunk right now? Oh yeah, he's gonna go my drunk.
Speaker 4: He's already drun two at two pm? Who's driving? Who's
Speaker 4: driving you? Okay, he got it. He got a horse
Speaker 4: and carriage because it's two pms. Okay, yeah, so the
Speaker 4: little guys twelve and thirty, well, he's gonna be fucked up.
Speaker 2: The rules is this is the rules. We're gonna give
Speaker 2: you to two different things.
Speaker 1: I got from Yes, you say you picked one that,
Speaker 1: we're good if you say both or neither.
Speaker 2: Do you know that everybody named mother this show?
Speaker 3: You saw I got to argue. Someone on Twitter was mad, You're.
Speaker 1: Like, why nor we gotta keep saying the same start
Speaker 1: I said, he's.
Speaker 2: Not talking to you, talking to the guests.
Speaker 3: Yea, all right, this is a good one. You want
Speaker 3: this one, I'll take this.
Speaker 2: One now, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're a drink at.
Speaker 1: I'm get another one.
Speaker 2: Get my mama, Juan and uh the.
Speaker 1: Shots to him.
Speaker 2: Make sure you just you can't move in here.
Speaker 1: That's alright ready, du Parker, d MX, how to get.
Speaker 3: Another drinks, DMX and if you got any stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, stop And this is the part where we
Speaker 2: get into things. You got it?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know DMX and Solo, Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: Case his first record is no.
Speaker 4: But as far as them jail together, so I don't
Speaker 4: know who had spellbound first. I know Solo was nice
Speaker 4: as fuck, but DMX for him to argue.
Speaker 1: Like that for twenty years, to be like, yo, I
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 4: Like you niggas A're gonna argue like that the whole time.
Speaker 4: But again, either way, we don't know. We don't know
Speaker 4: to prove it. But DMX was he was adam adam
Speaker 4: in about his so too. But Solo was so dope
Speaker 4: at DMX.
Speaker 2: And he didn't do it.
Speaker 4: He need to because X is so nice. He said,
Speaker 4: fuck it, I't got to do that ship right whatever,
Speaker 4: but anyway, get out me. Dog was being made right
Speaker 4: and they they called me and said, yo, you know
Speaker 4: we this in your man, you know, no irv Gotti
Speaker 4: and DMX like you know you want me to take
Speaker 4: it out. I'm like, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3: That's not what I got.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying was whatever, So I've.
Speaker 4: Never heard so so when it came out, they still
Speaker 4: bleeped it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the bleep. But everyone knew that's what he said.
Speaker 4: Though I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know that case
Speaker 4: the concept, but whatever, whatever, they bleep it. Even though
Speaker 4: I said to them, do what you gotta do, they
Speaker 4: still bleeped it. So that was the DMX little story.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's that's you ever met ta? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: got picture to be in my rim shot. Man, it's
Speaker 3: the New York Tupac Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta. Okay, because everybody
Speaker 3: was they always did.
Speaker 4: Man, you gotta watch the you gotta watch the Freaknick movies.
Speaker 4: That's a h right, yeah, okay, I'm telling the story
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, that's right.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start now, man.
Speaker 3: Doing what I can see the Magic City tear it
Speaker 3: up original Magic City short.
Speaker 4: It's another nigga with some bread that yeah, he hold it. Okay, good,
Speaker 4: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Next one big pun or big L not or big
Speaker 2: pun big L. See that's man, you wild now shot.
Speaker 4: See you take a shot because that's sasse. Two different dynamics,
Speaker 4: but both of them lyrically is lyrically nobody never seen
Speaker 4: heard before. See mefore that you can't do that. You
Speaker 4: gotta take you gotta get jokes resting piece of both
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 1: And imagine if both of them would have been here today,
Speaker 1: And the same with Pocket and next.
Speaker 3: You always always wanted to see what Big Pun would
Speaker 3: be like with a Twitter account.
Speaker 4: What made you say that?
Speaker 1: Or easy, he says Instagram they would have been sucking
Speaker 1: up because an extension of personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: The first time I kind of like really really knew
Speaker 3: that Fab was a real funny person was when he
Speaker 3: when he ranked on the ray J When he did that,
Speaker 3: I was like, fabist funny, like you get around Fab.
Speaker 2: Like if social media helped Fab in.
Speaker 3: My opinion, like like it helped him because people started
Speaker 3: to say, holy shit, he's kind of funny, Like you know,
Speaker 3: because he didn't talk much. He didn't talk, office would
Speaker 3: speak for him. It wouldn't be him, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So, but then he didn't have to do
Speaker 3: a dope interview or nothing. Fab would just be funny
Speaker 3: on on the ground and then everybody, and then people
Speaker 3: started to gravitate to us. Yeah, so okay, so we
Speaker 3: want the next one. L L or Kane, Oh.
Speaker 4: You got again, you gotta you gotta look at ship man.
Speaker 4: This is elo coolja whatever the criteria for lyrically, this
Speaker 4: is you gotta take a shot.
Speaker 3: You gotta take a shot. I thought you was gonna
Speaker 3: now I was, But the dynamics is, you know, because
Speaker 3: I did have cuts in my eyebrows trying to be
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: He can't.
Speaker 4: Those are friends and people are this mad sensitive now
Speaker 4: too when you're just like, you know, you say my name,
Speaker 4: you know, Oh, niggas be acting like that, they like you.
Speaker 4: Niggas you mad at that Primo or Pete Rock? Oh
Speaker 4: what's warm with shoes man Dominican in the Columbian Man,
Speaker 4: it's twelve thirty. Niggas like, right, we drinking. You gotta
Speaker 4: drink that. You gotta drink that Mano Sip Sippy sip.
Speaker 1: Who have you worked with more out of those two
Speaker 1: who Premore or Pete Rock?
Speaker 3: Pete Okay, me and.
Speaker 4: Pete got records from nineteen ninety one and heavy these
Speaker 4: basement wow wow peace because his historia wasn't heavy these
Speaker 4: basement because Heavy had the records. This stuff is down
Speaker 4: there at Heavy de Scrip.
Speaker 1: Rest of Peace.
Speaker 3: That's another when we lost it.
Speaker 2: Uh, slick Rick or Biggie Smalls, Yeah.
Speaker 1: What is it? Yo?
Speaker 4: On purpose?
Speaker 2: Biggie Smaller, slick Rick.
Speaker 4: It doesn't Yo, just these sister has never been this
Speaker 4: hard for nobody. I watched this ship. Just ain't you
Speaker 4: put these shows together?
Speaker 3: But they making it personally for you.
Speaker 1: That's why they want.
Speaker 4: But you know the storytellers like the biggest small than
Speaker 4: one too, boy, where they come from. This nigga want
Speaker 4: to junk. Okay, I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2: You finished.
Speaker 4: They fucking you up.
Speaker 2: Any any stories with Biggie, Yeah, tell us.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I gotta go again, Okay, but
Speaker 4: not brung Biggie Smaller to a barber shop right, No,
Speaker 4: this is in Brooklyn to meet me.
Speaker 2: But I don't remember that was getting.
Speaker 1: Your haircut in Brooklyn. I'm getting all that money.
Speaker 4: I'm a Pink Houses nigga Niggs New York. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so I didn't never, I never. I don't remember that story.
Speaker 4: But but he's adamant and people are confirming the story anyway.
Speaker 4: E P. D Breakup. I do Hitting Switches my first single.
Speaker 4: It's directed by Puffy and Hight Williams. First, whatever on
Speaker 4: the set is Notrri's b I g the whole entire time, right,
Speaker 4: So when when I go do a set, I see him,
Speaker 4: you know, he was like, you know, just following now.
Speaker 4: I don't know why he in the video because Puppy
Speaker 4: had the whole mont Vern in my video, you know.
Speaker 4: At the time, So Biggie Small's tells Tracy Waples, I
Speaker 4: need to be on Eric Sermmon's album, right, But me wild,
Speaker 4: I had my own crew, you know. Then I had
Speaker 4: met this regally talking about this kid named Joe Sinister,
Speaker 4: which Je Mester j had and I heard him. So
Speaker 4: that was the only special guests I had on the
Speaker 4: CD at the time. But I never heard in the
Speaker 4: tories big you know, I want to I can shoot
Speaker 4: myself now at at the end of the day. But
Speaker 4: again that's my story of somebody who was looking at
Speaker 4: me in the way, like, yo, was this nigga? I
Speaker 4: needed to be on this nigga's album CD and he
Speaker 4: was brought to me, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: And that's before he had any records, no record party, bullshit.
Speaker 1: Before he was onvd's Blue Funk Nowhere.
Speaker 2: He wasn't No, he didn't do nothing yet.
Speaker 4: Wow, but he was signing the Puff but I don't
Speaker 4: know that.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he was around.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's with him because Puff the video. You said, yes,
Speaker 3: but wild of Diamond D.
Speaker 4: I gotta go with Diamond because again I played the
Speaker 4: first album and the tour bus. We put that every day.
Speaker 4: That was dos the FIXT player with the album though too,
Speaker 4: but we heard that every day. So I say, like
Speaker 4: that first LP, that's the stump Blunts, no Salary, one
Speaker 4: track mind album, that whole ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Leo Cohns and Russell Simmons, they're both same people.
Speaker 3: So they're taking a shot for that. You do.
Speaker 4: You have to because they're both the same people.
Speaker 1: You're saying that one person saying saying bothoth Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: I'm not Maybe that smokers get me because I'm not
Speaker 4: even doing anything.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy n w A or Wu tang Klan,
Speaker 3: God damn.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 4: Are you sure nigga you're gonna be cool?
Speaker 3: Gonna be cool?
Speaker 2: Are sipping? Okay? So that he said sane?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: He said both?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Both because you know man because n W A Man
Speaker 4: was just like you to about Q Wren Dre and
Speaker 4: and then you're looking at the Wo Tang clan and
Speaker 4: all nine of them came and shocked the planet.
Speaker 2: You cannot they both those both of those crews shocked
Speaker 2: the plant.
Speaker 3: Don't forget the DC.
Speaker 4: And that would have been if he didn't imagine what
Speaker 4: he would have been had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's coming out.
Speaker 4: People realize when you play and hear the lyrically what
Speaker 4: he was. He was incredible because he sold a million records,
Speaker 4: though they like he didn't come out and do whatever.
Speaker 4: This of the lyrics Texas lyrically insane.
Speaker 3: It was similar to like you guys, you had Doc Effects,
Speaker 3: you had E P M D and you had I
Speaker 3: forget who else I forgetting waste red man and they
Speaker 3: had n W A Easy E and d O CEO
Speaker 3: same time, H D O C.
Speaker 4: Very dangerous, very like even though I come beget He
Speaker 4: wrote the chronic though.
Speaker 1: To his paying game was crazy. He was that near
Speaker 1: like the Nods of the West Coast before now he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, you got to give him that. People
Speaker 4: don't talk about, not.
Speaker 3: Even West Coast because he's from Texas.
Speaker 4: But I mean he made give it to him because
Speaker 4: they don't know him and he only had the one situation.
Speaker 4: But again, if you go back and you play it
Speaker 4: or watch the video, his.
Speaker 2: His his delivery, all of it. Like he knew his
Speaker 2: game was wild, right, And you know we asked him.
Speaker 4: He was yeah.
Speaker 2: We said him, you know, how how fucking for?
Speaker 3: What is uh? What name of the hit?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, We were asking him, Yo, where did
Speaker 1: the patchwak come from? He said he just made it up?
Speaker 1: Like we thought, you know, maybe he had some Caribbean background.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he just said he's one of the
Speaker 1: shock you wanted to shock dra Studio.
Speaker 2: Did you see his documentary?
Speaker 3: You got to see this documentary because when they talk
Speaker 3: about it, right, they all everyone's like and then doctor
Speaker 3: Dre looks up and goes, I still to this day
Speaker 3: don't know what the fun He says over really he's
Speaker 3: not that ship.
Speaker 1: No, that's such an ill record and the whole album
Speaker 1: album's crazy.
Speaker 3: Get the next one.
Speaker 2: Biz mark here o dB uh bis monkey.
Speaker 4: Digital or analog analog all fucking day, analogm analog all day.
Speaker 2: To Cuba scar face. This is a highly debate debatable
Speaker 2: one here. Yeah you can go on that though too.
Speaker 4: You can say whatever to but I feel they're the
Speaker 4: same from different parts.
Speaker 3: They are the same.
Speaker 4: But you got one person that is radical and one
Speaker 4: dude who tells stories that's insane radical. Yes, whatever, like,
Speaker 4: but when you play America's most Wanted Nigga, like this
Speaker 4: is life changing. And the certificate too, I think that's
Speaker 4: certificate too. You playing record and you're playing funking and
Speaker 4: and and jack and for beats to fucking.
Speaker 1: The e P.
Speaker 2: He said, God your record.
Speaker 4: I'm saying my back to back to back and when
Speaker 4: I'm saying that, run and I don't want to do
Speaker 4: that because niggas is for real?
Speaker 2: Can you say my name?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: But Face is one of them.
Speaker 4: He's listen man, but listen you. Face is my friend
Speaker 4: because I produced this nigga, so he's my that's my boy.
Speaker 4: But when you go back to n w A in
Speaker 4: the writing America's most Wanted, the certificate and the.
Speaker 3: And the.
Speaker 4: Just that with you that I want to say it,
Speaker 4: but you got to drink.
Speaker 2: That's what that was. What argument was that run is crazy?
Speaker 1: I know, okay, I had it built.
Speaker 4: Up, getting ready to say give me that I was
Speaker 4: going ready to go.
Speaker 2: There, but you guys are while for this one.
Speaker 3: You got to say that, I guess Puerto Rican food
Speaker 3: or Jamaican food Spanish, Like how you said Spanish instead
Speaker 3: of Puerto Ricans.
Speaker 4: Is a Puerto Rican.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought recipes of Hurricane g
Speaker 1: but I thought she was Cuban at one point for
Speaker 1: some reason, because you was out.
Speaker 4: Of line that twin that you CARDI b got. She
Speaker 4: had it first card Dominican, but the strong Puerto Rican sat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hurricane Dominican, though, listen.
Speaker 4: Got you right about that, because that's because I'm Dominican. Listen,
Speaker 4: you know what, because I listen because because the green Eyes, right,
Speaker 4: I could pull it listening listen.
Speaker 2: Hey wait, wait wait, let me put my story my story.
Speaker 4: I had a rapp named team Hot Up and watch Heights, right.
Speaker 4: They look just like us, So I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 4: look like y'all. You know, maybe I can pass through, right,
Speaker 4: Because again, Dominicans go up that that bus on seventy
Speaker 4: second Street. All anybody said, I'm parked outside, it's gonna
Speaker 4: come with.
Speaker 1: And be like I'm here, I'm looking.
Speaker 2: For now English.
Speaker 4: But she's bad as I'm just waiting to see what
Speaker 4: I can fix that. You know that bust that come
Speaker 4: up on broad Wait they busted come up English call
Speaker 4: anybody go get her. I'm gonna talk to her, and
Speaker 4: my boy gonna translate. I got money for you. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give your apartment papers, say, and some food and
Speaker 4: some clothes and a visa. What they was doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you're not saying I.
Speaker 4: Didn't know about the culture to whatever. I'm just here
Speaker 4: trying to see what's going on. Washed Heights was was
Speaker 4: new to me, and Dominicans was was heavy. Now Washed
Speaker 4: Heights is fire with restaurants in the hold off all that.
Speaker 4: But at that time is what they did. We parked
Speaker 4: outside seventy first seventy sixth Street, Mida.
Speaker 1: And listen, mister, need to get your Starburst for you.
Speaker 4: You left, you know, but the good back to the
Speaker 4: Dominican with the CARDI b You're right, Dominicans and Puerto
Speaker 4: Ricans wants you to know they're not that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's at the Cubans Puerto Ricans like we all.
Speaker 4: I don't unders stay in the same way.
Speaker 3: If I said you from Brooklyn and you was like, nah,
Speaker 3: I'm from Long Island because you have their own.
Speaker 2: But that's the difference.
Speaker 4: Though, Why is this? Why are they saying that to
Speaker 4: knowing that they it's stupid to me. It seems like
Speaker 4: they're close, but I don't know that.
Speaker 1: No, it's not right, it's not, but it is the
Speaker 1: thing is, that's colonial bullshit in all of our minds.
Speaker 3: You're correct, that's what it is a difference. Not eat
Speaker 3: my fu from my portoy, different land, different But what's
Speaker 3: funked up about that? You can't even base it on
Speaker 3: the food. I went to my favorite Porto Rican restaurant
Speaker 3: for damn there six months actually meet the goddamn chefs
Speaker 3: and the chefs was Dominican.
Speaker 1: I was, I was, this is not But what different
Speaker 1: is my fungal from Mongoul? How difference? It's the same ship.
Speaker 2: But we have the same ship too, It's all, you know.
Speaker 3: But but there's certain people might say Coca cola, and
Speaker 3: also all of that comes from that.
Speaker 2: It's all a mix. Huh, Why why not mister?
Speaker 3: One is Puerto Rican and one is Dominican When you
Speaker 3: eat it?
Speaker 1: What wait, it's all based on planting, bro Relax man.
Speaker 4: This is the part too. It's because argument because because
Speaker 4: I don't do they is again different with Puerto Ricans
Speaker 4: and Dominicans. Some of them put olives in there in
Speaker 4: it right and what and what and yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: do that the rice and beans.
Speaker 1: And some people put in right all of in the
Speaker 1: the ground beef to.
Speaker 4: Some people I went that to Dominicans don't do the
Speaker 4: same way that Puerto Ricans do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's there's there's the differences. That's why they that's
Speaker 1: their it's the same name.
Speaker 2: No, that was just not that.
Speaker 3: That's no. And then you don't understand. This is called
Speaker 3: what exactly?
Speaker 6: So that.
Speaker 1: Congree.
Speaker 2: But then this is the thing to be hungry. The
Speaker 2: difference is shoes divine.
Speaker 1: And then the South American and Central American those start
Speaker 1: to change, you know, because then it's colonialism. How long
Speaker 1: Spain was there? How long this was here? Like main
Speaker 1: not a part of us. Spain is the reason why.
Speaker 2: We talk Spanish guy Spain.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell you some bro then that Spain
Speaker 3: is the whitest You're not a Titano, you are not
Speaker 3: a Spain is the whitest Latino country, the.
Speaker 2: Color in the world.
Speaker 1: They are the reason why we are Latinos. Unfortunately, colonialism, bro,
Speaker 1: and we all gonna take that ship all the same question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're sucking up right now. You picked, you picked, you
Speaker 1: picked port Weekond pick colonially to forty sure, Hammer over them.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about you was on that tour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how did you feel what everybody like? Was it
Speaker 1: around ever the time when third base was dising Hammer,
Speaker 1: when when people were disinhammered.
Speaker 4: Their base in come they came at ninety one, but
Speaker 4: they wasn't out yet. They was probably they copy came.
Speaker 1: When we got But how did you feel about people
Speaker 1: disin hammered being that you was not?
Speaker 4: Because because I had don't forget, we had to. We
Speaker 4: had beef with Hammer, so we it wasn't so you
Speaker 4: guys started that then what you mean you had beef
Speaker 4: for Hammer?
Speaker 2: E PMD on the tour? Yeah, oh remind us listen.
Speaker 4: Me and Paris put it to We gave it to everybody,
Speaker 4: like I said, for I was like I said, six
Speaker 4: two and a half, heavy set, chocolate brown, hell of
Speaker 4: a jab gift together. It didn't matter. People thought they
Speaker 4: was they was like that and we had to show
Speaker 4: them that you wasn't like that. So you open your
Speaker 4: mouth up, you're catching it. That's what Keith Murray was
Speaker 4: a problem though too. Everybody was trying to calm Keith
Speaker 4: Murray down, but you they was fucking the fire on him.
Speaker 4: So he couldn't sit back and just say whatever he
Speaker 4: had to go. He was gonna cut you.
Speaker 2: So the same thing too, when you on this road,
Speaker 2: you on this thing.
Speaker 4: Always artists, you know, they want to get the certain
Speaker 4: position I want to go on before you, or this
Speaker 4: and that or take your spot, the whole nine. And
Speaker 4: anybody that was trying to get that, they had it coming.
Speaker 2: So I'd never heard about the EPM DMC.
Speaker 4: I mean I think I I vaguely remember I said
Speaker 4: on somebody else's thing, but you know you want to
Speaker 4: hear that. You want to hear what happened. Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: So we had the dancer called Findy. Findy was a
Speaker 4: good dancer. He's from the Brooklyn No, he's from the
Speaker 4: Rockaway right, so he's he was He was all over
Speaker 4: the stage. Hammer comes out to speakers and riders, so
Speaker 4: you know you want to be like, stay off the speakers.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Because the Hammer's people told
Speaker 4: EPMDS dancers stay off the speaker, right, So so okay,
Speaker 4: so we on tour whatever like that and that, that
Speaker 4: and this. But when you and the when the mow
Speaker 4: and the crowds hype, you get amped. So maybe in
Speaker 4: my dance's mind he remembered, but he probably didn't remember it.
Speaker 4: So that one night Vanila Ice opens up matter of fact,
Speaker 4: when the lights wanted to go on tour and dance
Speaker 4: with Findy be on toy EPMD. It's crazy, but he
Speaker 4: that night got on the speaker dancing. So we get
Speaker 4: off the stage. I think it was Hammer's brother, not Lou,
Speaker 4: but another one came and was barking at Findy, so
Speaker 4: we don't know this is going on hammer pants, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I didn't look at all that everybody in
Speaker 4: his crew maybe maybe the his the stat I mean
Speaker 4: everybody that was on stay. But anyway, they was talking right,
Speaker 4: so we here like yelling. We see the dancer going
Speaker 4: back and forth. So Paris comes over. Here is it
Speaker 4: and then boom busts this nigga glasses and everything, yes,
Speaker 4: all of it, all of us, the practice, cook, the blow,
Speaker 4: then the door punt first quickly, so once he hit him,
Speaker 4: we see like a whole fucking sea of people.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine him? And got thirty on stage. Anyway, so.
Speaker 4: The people started coming and there was police officers. You know,
Speaker 4: I can't make this up. So after a while we
Speaker 4: ended ended up moving towards the wrong way. So now
Speaker 4: we're in this corridor where you go backstage and change.
Speaker 4: Now it's me, Solo, Alvin God by the Dead, and
Speaker 4: I and some other person against all these people and
Speaker 4: we're like, oh, Ship, And one of the god was like, yo,
Speaker 4: I want him to chubby one.
Speaker 2: So I'm like God, damn, I'm like Ship.
Speaker 4: So now I get to him karate.
Speaker 2: I don't know, no comfortable.
Speaker 4: Dance, nothing whatever. So Solo is a golden glove boxer,
Speaker 4: so at least I know maybe he can be able to.
Speaker 2: Take two or three one on one. But I know
Speaker 2: Alvin is he's dangerous.
Speaker 4: But again, it too many people for some reason, the
Speaker 4: police were the sheriffs had it didn't get to that point,
Speaker 4: but it almost got there. So then the next day
Speaker 4: we get a call from Leo and Russell because they
Speaker 4: had called him and said we want no parts with E. P. M. D.
Speaker 4: We want no parts of them. And that's that's how
Speaker 4: it it ended.
Speaker 3: The tour ended, It's like, wow, did you ever connect
Speaker 3: with Hammer? After that?
Speaker 2: He didn't even show up to the next show. This
Speaker 2: in his hometown. He didn't show up. Ok because of
Speaker 2: that if and he didn't come.
Speaker 1: To Oakland.
Speaker 2: No, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister fab where you'll ave.
Speaker 3: Too Short?
Speaker 4: Nobody Short came Short, came Short was my that's still
Speaker 4: my boy? Like Short was like like really kind of
Speaker 4: like holding me down.
Speaker 1: Kind of Oh okay, you know, because they all cool now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they was cool with him and now too.
Speaker 4: I was cool with him him then, Like so for
Speaker 4: when people talk about him, I'm like, man, you got
Speaker 4: to be crazy. Motherfucker sold ten million record You cannot
Speaker 4: take nothing from him. And I was and I was
Speaker 4: also an advocate to to like where was he at
Speaker 4: for Hip hop fifty? You cannot do that. He was
Speaker 4: like the big quart of it, like whatever, that's why
Speaker 4: he never came.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, yo, what happened to him?
Speaker 4: But again the time whatever, everybody, listen, you're young, norry
Speaker 4: out there in the nineties. Ain't know none of these phones,
Speaker 4: none of the other ship this and that whatever. They
Speaker 4: just got busy, you know, many these shootouts. We was
Speaker 4: in Jesus like apartments, you know, North Carolina, fucking Callium,
Speaker 4: fucking Rochester, upstate. I mean, these these people didn't play
Speaker 4: you coming to their town, right, because don't forget you
Speaker 4: you in the town. The girls is you look at
Speaker 4: the whole Nimes and now whatever like that, and they're
Speaker 4: doing the shit that happened the puppy at the club. Yo,
Speaker 4: I got money too, you know that's the type of
Speaker 4: shit that that was going on back then. Man, we
Speaker 4: in fucking Ohio, right, we in one of them shits whatever,
Speaker 4: one of arenas, and I put I have my EPMD jacket,
Speaker 4: put my jacket down. Somebody stole my jacket. So somebody said, yo,
Speaker 4: I got Eric Simmon's jacket, right, making a whole big deal.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn man, the niggas got my jacket, so
Speaker 4: we know you all know who has it. But anyway,
Speaker 4: twelve Detroit niggas, it's eight thousand people in there, they
Speaker 4: tearing this areena the fuck up? Right now with me
Speaker 4: is Jalen Rose, no ship right, I'm the only one
Speaker 4: with a pistol. So now it's like, okay, we got
Speaker 4: to get because these niggas are now as shooting so
Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now, kim My mother died eight
Speaker 4: months ago. Jalen Roses outside in the moving van. He
Speaker 4: had to jump in because it was that hectic out
Speaker 4: in that part. But we got this basketball niggas. We
Speaker 4: gotta make sure that he's safe.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And this is when he's in the NBA or winning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is this is Maybe it might
Speaker 4: you know, maybe because this is this is ninety ninety,
Speaker 4: ninety or nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Because isn't at the time five isn't that the Fab five?
Speaker 1: It might be five?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be because don't forget if you watch
Speaker 4: some of his documentaries, you see on the sofa with
Speaker 4: pirates like him and Harry Paris had got cool. But
Speaker 4: but again the Fat five had to because it's ninety
Speaker 4: so so had to moving banduck crazy and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: imagine that ship didn't go right?
Speaker 1: Thank got it? Okay, Cypress Hills on the Fuji's.
Speaker 4: They got to go with withis because it was my boys,
Speaker 4: even though it's people too, because I was mad cool
Speaker 4: with Lauren in the beginning of me. People don't know
Speaker 4: that about law. Lauren used to call the studio. We
Speaker 4: used to talk a lot, like talk a lot on
Speaker 4: the phone, you know what I mean. But but again,
Speaker 4: but you know Cyper Stills, they changed the whole fusih
Speaker 4: ain't escape too.
Speaker 2: But for niggas like that Hardcourt ship. That was problem
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 4: That's the word.
Speaker 2: The first video.
Speaker 4: I was like, but you got to talk about you
Speaker 4: said you got the tape to Cyprus. We had the
Speaker 4: same Sony rap. So when I when I got up
Speaker 4: the playing me and past in the car with the
Speaker 4: Sony rap, he had the Cyper Skills tape. Whatever I heard,
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is crazy. I just happened to call
Speaker 4: Cube because I wanted Cube to hear it. I don't
Speaker 4: know why I called them, but I said, yo, meet
Speaker 4: me at He said, no, me me such and such.
Speaker 4: So I brought him to tape when I came home.
Speaker 4: He in the video. Yeah, so you really like the
Speaker 4: you know cyber steals when he when he heard him
Speaker 4: and he's in the video in New York. That's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying in New York. That's the ill part. And
Speaker 4: he will says when he looked up and saw him, like,
Speaker 4: ohly ship, that's cute.
Speaker 1: That video has mad cameos. Yeah, that's a crazy A
Speaker 1: lot of New York cameo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said that they did label. The
Speaker 4: label wanted him to. They wanted them to shoot that
Speaker 4: to get the New York because again not knowing that
Speaker 4: LA was going to play the record. But it's a
Speaker 4: New York sounds, it's a jam, so they're like, yo,
Speaker 4: let's shoot it there.
Speaker 3: Except got me, got me? You're still going with that? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: We've got another one. A deaf squad or his squad
Speaker 3: his squad. Okay, Metro Boomer or Murder Beats, metro Keith
Speaker 3: Mary or Redman.
Speaker 2: The way are you doing that? Drink Man?
Speaker 4: Look that's said, got to take a super peepiece in
Speaker 4: a second.
Speaker 3: Just Blaze or bank they hate each other by the way,
Speaker 3: f y Yeah no, see from what.
Speaker 4: I guys see, I say it's just because he did
Speaker 4: the record for me too. But but bank Dog style
Speaker 4: is just insane. I think that I think that people,
Speaker 4: I think he might be the father of it. You
Speaker 4: know of a couple of people's styles on on the
Speaker 4: on the low because if you play the songs that
Speaker 4: don't because he was there first. So you play the
Speaker 4: records and see some of the technique of it.
Speaker 3: You said he was there first, my Rockefeller, the style.
Speaker 4: Of the style of the beat. When you hear people
Speaker 4: that came after him, you know, I'm just hey, man,
Speaker 4: God damn it.
Speaker 2: That's big coming for you. So you say, I'm just
Speaker 2: giving the father.
Speaker 4: The factual, the timing history of the history of it,
Speaker 4: like when you see the stuff that he was doing.
Speaker 4: And you know, you gotta put Rockbill in there too,
Speaker 4: because again some of the styles are similar, but he
Speaker 4: was first before the other one, you know. And but
Speaker 4: again we all take from ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But you know, just Blase is incredible. You gotta you
Speaker 4: gotta sit man, because because both of them is ill
Speaker 4: at what they do. I know, I'm sorry, order youngsters illegal.
Speaker 4: Come on, Both those groups are dope.
Speaker 2: Though rock him okay, restaurant.
Speaker 4: Rockim is my mentor Chris is my man doing too.
Speaker 4: But I gotta go for my partner who's down the
Speaker 4: block from me, you know, Long Island. I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to take a people got you gotta take a dookie.
Speaker 3: So he picked him.
Speaker 2: M j Or Prince.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Michael Jackson. Even though Prinson is still
Speaker 4: a genius because he produced his own music.
Speaker 2: And the whole one.
Speaker 4: But I just watched him Michael Jackson just before about
Speaker 4: what they said that Michael Jackson when he did the
Speaker 4: Oprah Winfrey interview, right, it was one billion people that
Speaker 4: watched it.
Speaker 2: No, five hundred, five hundred million.
Speaker 4: Right then when he did oh no, when when he
Speaker 4: passed away, it was one billion people that watched it. Yes.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So when you talk about the people like I'm the
Speaker 4: next Michael, none of y'all, no way in the world
Speaker 4: his whole ship about him. Chris don't have that neither.
Speaker 4: But you have to give it to Michael. He was
Speaker 4: something that we never ever, ever ever seen before.
Speaker 3: You heard you ever hear the stories of the beefing No, yeah,
Speaker 3: like the more and more interview people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think they like each other.
Speaker 4: Mike said.
Speaker 3: He showed up to a couple of the shows, but
Speaker 3: he was there to shut him down. He wasn't there
Speaker 3: like okay, he wasn't there to like he like. Mike
Speaker 3: would come up to some Prince shows and know that
Speaker 3: these people ain't gonna tell him, no, he's fucking Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3: And he would go on and try to perform before
Speaker 3: prints from certain things and real, Yeah, like this is
Speaker 3: this is like we have multiple stories from different people,
Speaker 3: and Mike was Mike was kind of the more and
Speaker 3: more you kind of see it and you like kind
Speaker 3: of see him like.
Speaker 2: With gang members.
Speaker 3: You're like, that didn't make sense, Like he I almost
Speaker 3: thought I saw him throw up a side but I did,
Speaker 3: I did, and I did but and beat it. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: like all that. It was always like certain things and
Speaker 3: then you hear like his affiliation, like it's different.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So I always said, or those stories. This is my
Speaker 3: favorite stories. Michael Jackson and Prince stories. Have you ever
Speaker 3: met Mike.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you a story with Mike. So I
Speaker 4: got a call to go do Black Street Teddy Rally.
Speaker 4: So me and my cousin ride down to Virginia again.
Speaker 4: N all right, cool, well yo, you you're mentioning there
Speaker 4: one more time when I'm stopping. I know, but this
Speaker 4: is too much.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's go because let's take this to this.
Speaker 4: I'm already in every he's already in every interview. He's like,
Speaker 4: did you say my name again?
Speaker 1: We're talking about So I.
Speaker 3: Go to Virginia and and I see you're speaking to
Speaker 3: see Teddy Rally.
Speaker 4: No I go see he called me okay, so so
Speaker 4: because don't beginut, I did Booty Call the first single
Speaker 4: when they first something right, that's right? So after I whatever,
Speaker 4: I walk inside for real. So I walk inside there
Speaker 4: the first person I meet is Pharrell Wow right. It
Speaker 4: is a producer there him Chad and a singer named Mike.
Speaker 4: So he's like, yo, I wrap like you do?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's his shirt tight? What's what's true?
Speaker 6: What like?
Speaker 4: I'm not looking at people like that I do.
Speaker 3: I have to describe the situation ahead continued.
Speaker 4: So if you go on the internet, there's a song
Speaker 4: with me and Pharrell called boot Monocalization that we made
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety three. Boot what I know?
Speaker 3: It's crazy ninety three?
Speaker 4: Yes, because I put them on two records.
Speaker 1: Are trying to say you discovered the Neptunes before?
Speaker 4: No, I justspect that.
Speaker 3: Tell you had them.
Speaker 1: It's very true.
Speaker 4: He had in the studio. That was the producers. I
Speaker 4: let him rhyme on the records that I was doing.
Speaker 1: You let Pharrell run before anybody else, let him ryme right.
Speaker 2: I always take those prospects. Fuck you, Eric, I din't
Speaker 2: know that. You gotta go on the YouTube and you
Speaker 2: go that.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Anyway, I'm already amp up because
Speaker 4: I'm there with Teddy outside of the tour bus, right,
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson on tour bus. So Mike goes to the bathroom.
Speaker 4: I miss him, right, So I don't know that part.
Speaker 4: Teddy says, Eric, Yo, you want to be Michael. I
Speaker 4: was like, not now you said not? Now, I know
Speaker 4: what's wrong with you? Were you nervous?
Speaker 2: Michael?
Speaker 4: I was there with Teddy? No, I was there with Teddy.
Speaker 4: Wasn't like this is what I was here doing for
Speaker 4: some reason that was that wasn't more important than what
Speaker 4: I was doing. I know that's the illly ship. I
Speaker 4: told Teddy. Not now crazy. I could have walked on
Speaker 4: that bus, shook hands, maybe, could have building a record, anything, anything.
Speaker 4: My mind was someplace else.
Speaker 2: And let me guess that Michael float out of there.
Speaker 1: No, he he is.
Speaker 3: You've never seen I never saw. So your one chance
Speaker 3: to be one chance you blew it.
Speaker 4: Take a pictures the whole that I could have had,
Speaker 4: all that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you ain't even take a flick for the ground.
Speaker 4: Tell you to collaborate, Tell you would collaborate the story, nigga,
Speaker 4: Like yo, the bus is sitting out there.
Speaker 2: He said, you want to meet him?
Speaker 4: I said not. Now he must have thought Teddy must
Speaker 4: have thought he was was I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Well, I know Michael thinking he was told, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: if he.
Speaker 2: Were Teddy, yeah, Michael, he would have been like crumbs.
Speaker 3: And then Teddy went back and say, man, he'll be
Speaker 3: He'll be a little while.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But but but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson, nobody was bigger than him.
Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody. I'm not gonna lie Chris Brown right now.
Speaker 4: Very close what I told you, nigga, very close though,
Speaker 4: five hundred millions, Michael's one billion international. He goes to
Speaker 4: the shows, there's one hundred thousand people a shot, no
Speaker 4: matter what outside.
Speaker 2: When he goes somewhere, he got to shut down.
Speaker 4: The whole Christmas would tell you neighborhood everything. We never
Speaker 4: seen that from no individual that that that was it.
Speaker 1: That's why I said close, like damn shape, political everything internationally,
Speaker 1: probably helped the Cold War everything.
Speaker 4: People that have stopped to see it. When he show
Speaker 4: up somewhere, what they got to do. They have to
Speaker 4: shut down the neighborhood. This is just proof of the
Speaker 4: millions and millions of millions of people. You never but
Speaker 4: no individual. He's bigger than anything we have ever seen.
Speaker 2: Who come on, you just left field right now to
Speaker 2: this question? Is crazy? A couple of those.
Speaker 1: Ahead? Yay? Or for real?
Speaker 2: Kanye?
Speaker 1: We did that already. No, no, no, we just brought
Speaker 1: up for we just brought mom. You said who you say?
Speaker 4: You said Kanye even though Parrell's ill, but Kanye again,
Speaker 4: when he came he kind of whatever. I know when
Speaker 4: I was, like you said, from when you sit there,
Speaker 4: you kind of dormant. But when he when I heard
Speaker 4: the ship that when he came out, it kind of
Speaker 4: woke me up as a producer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's that's that's that's a compliment.
Speaker 4: Radio podcast. Oh it's podcast.
Speaker 1: Good Cam or Mace, you.
Speaker 4: Gotta sip it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big up to Cam and makes too man very
Speaker 1: proud of.
Speaker 4: Because they both to me, is almost kind of the same.
Speaker 4: Though kind of though too because because they both spit
Speaker 4: the that that that dollar that they both what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Cheers love what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Uh, Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle, I got the biggest
Speaker 4: list ever. Yeah, it's your niggas wold out with that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so Chris Rockert, Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, because I know Chris One, I know Dave Funny.
Speaker 4: Now I'm just saying that just Chris say PMD fan.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying I don't you know. And I watched
Speaker 4: everything he did, and I watched anything Dave did too, And.
Speaker 2: They're both just hip hop heads, like heavy hip hop,
Speaker 2: bolt of them. Yeah, and both of them legends.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, gotta drink almost you know you too, man,
Speaker 4: you gotta drink I don't know, but you got to
Speaker 4: cool out too, like you gotta cool out this ship
Speaker 4: right here is a question.
Speaker 2: They sucked it up and got your good No, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not good.
Speaker 3: Man, oh man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, way point is ill, but I'm gonna give it
Speaker 4: to him to method man. Okay, kick a pri or
Speaker 4: DJ red Alert, Yeah, but they they do different things.
Speaker 2: Kick a pre is like that's the point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's whatever, it's whatever your category, whatever whatever, you could.
Speaker 4: I guess say both, yes, both they both because they
Speaker 4: both impacted, hugely impacted, usually because that mixtape game was
Speaker 4: something insane.
Speaker 3: Doctor Drake or Puff Daddy, Well you stop, go ahead
Speaker 3: because it's Dre.
Speaker 2: You said, Yeah, Molly, Ma or large professor, but Molly Ma,
Speaker 2: he would be he's invented sampling.
Speaker 4: You got to give it. There's nothing to say about that.
Speaker 4: You're still going.
Speaker 3: You got only a couple more, a couple more your
Speaker 3: own TV raps or video music box?
Speaker 2: Rough me, Daniels, I like that kiss or fabulous?
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 2: Why did he say?
Speaker 4: He wrote it in Spanish sweak fluent speak fluent, mister Lee.
Speaker 4: They knew that you was not represented. They put that
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 1: You put that.
Speaker 4: Have him say it because he because he's gonna say nothing,
Speaker 4: have him saying, yeah, wow, fab turned out to be dangerous.
Speaker 4: He did yeah, man, kiss was always dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know you gotta you gotta sick.
Speaker 4: You know why? Because again, because fab turned out to
Speaker 4: be something dangerous.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it, Sonny, New Jack City or King
Speaker 4: of New York if a nickel baggers throw in the park.
Speaker 3: M Frank White, but you know brown, you know Brown
Speaker 3: brung thus skin niggas back to life?
Speaker 2: What was Homegirl?
Speaker 1: Rock saved me?
Speaker 4: That was the New Jack City? Yes, but even though
Speaker 4: King of New York was fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: The what's my man name and Chris. He was Wessey Snipes.
Speaker 3: Wessey Snipes did such a good job that when I
Speaker 3: met him in real life I was still scared of him.
Speaker 1: And Bro, he was a cop.
Speaker 2: He did such a good job.
Speaker 1: I knew he wouldn't have Copper.
Speaker 2: This is the first time he's him as a cop.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fact. That's the fact.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is my first time encountering I see
Speaker 3: course of that role. I wasn't him, but when I
Speaker 3: you were scared him as yeah West, I saw Nino.
Speaker 4: Yeah look at your funky black ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Chris, you picked blue Jack City. This is
Speaker 3: the last one that we could get back to the interview.
Speaker 3: Loyalty or respect.
Speaker 4: I got to go on with was it was?
Speaker 3: It was it.
Speaker 4: Holy Ship?
Speaker 2: Who would you have up here?
Speaker 3: Snoop no said love.
Speaker 4: I know, yes, Snoop Stead though too, but also I
Speaker 4: think it was bleak Memphis.
Speaker 1: Everybody has a different take. I think they kind of
Speaker 1: they kind of you need both of them. I think
Speaker 1: both is the most logical answer.
Speaker 4: Both.
Speaker 3: It's the only question that we've both people.
Speaker 1: Come in with one and they going with this crazy
Speaker 1: dire tribe.
Speaker 4: So respect and loyalty right, yes, me, respect might be
Speaker 4: a little bit more bigger though, because the reason why
Speaker 4: is like the loyal is dead too. But I feel
Speaker 4: like you if you don't got to respect, you can't
Speaker 4: get that. You don't want both, you do, but respect
Speaker 4: is a big one. So you rather that than both.
Speaker 4: That's the thing I'm going to respect because the nigga
Speaker 4: ca you catch because that's goes a long way because
Speaker 4: I can see what's what's happening. Loyal for me is
Speaker 4: not how I'm still here. Respect is how I'm still here.
Speaker 4: Niggas respect me. So this is why I'm saying that
Speaker 4: to the loyalty, I don't really have to be lord
Speaker 4: and nobody like that. You know that I know about it.
Speaker 4: Be like yo, damn you niggasayer a nigga no but respect.
Speaker 4: No to respect got me where I'm at.
Speaker 3: So you're going respect, yes, But let me just I'm explaining.
Speaker 4: The way niggas didn't play it that way. Like respect
Speaker 4: you can't buy it. Your niggas can't get it. If
Speaker 4: you respect is it's always earned, exactly always.
Speaker 1: But let me just chatting on you. You not only
Speaker 1: have respect, you have love.
Speaker 3: That's the beautiful thing about you, like you don't just
Speaker 3: have features because people, you know, are looking to get
Speaker 3: a check or looking to know.
Speaker 2: People respect you.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. That's that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1: It respect is you.
Speaker 2: But love is loyal too.
Speaker 3: Loved though right and to me love, love is loyalty and.
Speaker 2: Love is Lord.
Speaker 4: You're putting three together, you gotta. I'm trying to choose
Speaker 4: love the Lord to you? Have you said loyalty and respect?
Speaker 4: The love is something different.
Speaker 1: You can't just add the love is loyalty in my
Speaker 1: add another word.
Speaker 3: I know he said loyalty, and say.
Speaker 4: Love, loyalty and respect. Love he's added another word. You
Speaker 4: can't do that.
Speaker 3: I think love loyalty is the same, not not really,
Speaker 3: not really someone can love you. Take a shot for
Speaker 3: that anyway.
Speaker 4: For me getting it wrong, You trying to add something
Speaker 4: into the new contest.
Speaker 1: This is love you I do you dirty? That's facts exactly.
Speaker 1: We don't want you to say ship just playing. You've
Speaker 1: been drinking from you deserve. Ain't no camera on you
Speaker 1: or not. I ain't got no love for you. Bad
Speaker 1: bad Huh.
Speaker 2: Everyone's road is your you know this nigga drunk some
Speaker 2: people might go on a dirt road.
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait, you.
Speaker 3: Know your role.
Speaker 1: Everybody started off with loyalty.
Speaker 2: Because you're still here too.
Speaker 4: Respect And that's why I'm saying that exactly.
Speaker 3: I don't understand what you takes.
Speaker 7: I just told you you did not understand what inspect
Speaker 7: comes first. He said like this, He said, like broad
Speaker 7: you come back to me.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you something, Eric Sherman.
Speaker 2: It's just about giving people.
Speaker 3: They flowers where they could smell them, they thought where
Speaker 3: they could tell it.
Speaker 2: We didn't get it.
Speaker 3: They drink, get drinking, they thoughts when they could think
Speaker 3: of them. And we need to give you your flying away.
Speaker 1: We need to get you up. We wound up doing
Speaker 1: this back then when the first time he came up.
Speaker 1: The first time was hold on, let me say so.
Speaker 4: Let me say so, y'all mad bows that was empty on.
Speaker 4: We drank them because there was twenty sixteen though, y'all
Speaker 4: in the hotel with a bootleg and the whole type
Speaker 4: of ship.
Speaker 2: It was different times. Man, Well, listen.
Speaker 3: Ya dance.
Speaker 2: We will figured that out. We figured it out exactly,
Speaker 2: said this is right here is yeah, nope.
Speaker 1: This is figuring it out. So so let me just
Speaker 1: say something. They're real would this be if it wasn't
Speaker 1: an E P M D.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't be a component oriega, It wouldn't be a
Speaker 3: component in oreega.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a drink. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: So did you watch the the fucking Ship with with
Speaker 4: with Mark Wilbourne talking in the addition say it won't
Speaker 4: be a Backstreet Boys or in sync. You got to say,
Speaker 4: it's the truth. It's the truth, the evolution.
Speaker 3: And we all got to the two men, to the
Speaker 3: two man groups, from Smith and Wesson, to mob Deep
Speaker 3: to m O P to.
Speaker 1: All of us. We all owe it to y'all.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that that two men.
Speaker 2: And I know I always say this word wrong.
Speaker 1: Camarerie.
Speaker 2: That's the Spanish coming out of me.
Speaker 1: Camarerie, camaraderie. You know what I mean? The Commodore's you
Speaker 1: motherfucker's invented that.
Speaker 4: Well, we robbed run DMC for it for it.
Speaker 1: See the three people though, still so why y'all say that?
Speaker 2: I understand that though, but too, but it's still two rappers.
Speaker 4: They had a d J too, Yeah, but no, no,
Speaker 4: no jams J is the two rappers back and forth.
Speaker 4: We listen when you look at the E P M
Speaker 4: D logo. Oh LEO, did that? Russell said, did this? Russell?
Speaker 4: I said, E P D was E P E E
Speaker 4: M D E E is long. Russell was like, do
Speaker 4: it this way.
Speaker 2: I said, Russell, you can't take your because the.
Speaker 4: Red. You can't take run DMC's logo because all it
Speaker 4: is is just chopped up line. Run DMC is.
Speaker 3: Well, y'all had the same motherfucking logo.
Speaker 1: Look at it now. I never.
Speaker 4: And we told Russell. He said, don't take care, don'torry
Speaker 4: about that. I take care of that.
Speaker 2: Secret.
Speaker 4: You look right at it.
Speaker 2: Not a secret, not a secret.
Speaker 1: But if you didn't know, you didn't know.
Speaker 2: I know, I didn't know today. I mean I just
Speaker 2: thought the death cham we.
Speaker 4: Had different colors, and then they had the nerve to
Speaker 4: put the red.
Speaker 2: And the white like them on.
Speaker 3: This one because these were the color right right, and
Speaker 3: god damn it, it worked. And because of that from
Speaker 3: if you're going to give it to run to you.
Speaker 4: Guys that you guys, well the style, change rock him,
Speaker 4: change the style. Then our new style came in. So
Speaker 4: that's when we started doing the gun talking. So that's
Speaker 4: where again the mob's coming. Mattha let me get a
Speaker 4: plug real quick, because I called you though to you
Speaker 4: you he was busy. I don't say that your why
Speaker 4: on the projects not called okay two man's right. So
Speaker 4: when you're bringing that up and you said less dynamic duels, right, you.
Speaker 2: Did the whole album. Capon't even called me for that.
Speaker 4: Dynamic duels is something that I did because the way
Speaker 4: y'all did drink champs like okay, well, which I heard
Speaker 4: the story I off is true that y'all did the
Speaker 4: because to interview people like us.
Speaker 2: So when COVID was going on, even.
Speaker 4: Though they had the idea before, I was like, you
Speaker 4: know what, I got to do this for hip hop
Speaker 4: and for these for my colleagues who feel they can't
Speaker 4: make records no more. Who told you to stop making records?
Speaker 4: Like how you doing this? I'm like, fuck all that.
Speaker 4: So I called the people you know, DM them. I
Speaker 4: mean I ain't really called nobody, but I d M
Speaker 4: them and I made records on them. So when I
Speaker 4: have Run came to the studios, but the Run DMC
Speaker 4: dynamic because they wasn't making no ship. Both of them
Speaker 4: was this adamant it ain't happening. So then I made
Speaker 4: I called storm Pepper because I didn't have no girls.
Speaker 4: So that's why the sworn Pepper's on the now though two.
Speaker 4: But on the album who you Have Pepper mab D
Speaker 4: from Heaven No, probably I got vocals. I got you
Speaker 4: got vocals, okay, Hell the Skelter he got vocals. Dog
Speaker 4: Pound okay, m O p mm hmm brdan F not
Speaker 4: cnn E P M D bum B and U g K.
Speaker 4: But you can't say you gotta say bumb petureman pimp
Speaker 4: c Okay, you have to say it leally. You can't
Speaker 4: say U g K that some iss like some in
Speaker 4: the medical So that's some ship, okay, right, Snoop Dogg
Speaker 4: and Nate Dog okay. And Biggie Smalls and Biggie Biggie
Speaker 4: Smells and Biggie Yes. And when you hear yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: What is Biggs and Biggie.
Speaker 1: Early, Biggie Smalls is in notorious.
Speaker 4: All of it is early, but it's not something that
Speaker 4: was like vaguely familiar. And the way that I did it,
Speaker 4: it's fucked up because a I came out right, so
Speaker 4: people ain't gonna look at me and be like yo, nah, Eric,
Speaker 4: but no, it's me This is how I made it
Speaker 4: if I the biggest small than Tupac was together. This
Speaker 4: is how we hit them together rocking. So I was
Speaker 4: doing my ship to make it seem like they was together.
Speaker 4: How I said with me and Marvin was like I
Speaker 4: was answering back and forth with him like he was
Speaker 4: with me. I made a song like that too, to
Speaker 4: make it seem like those two were together.
Speaker 2: Which two.
Speaker 4: The biggest moll in PC. You didn't say that, he said, big?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know there was that guy that suited him.
Speaker 2: That's why he changed biggie small. That's what you meant.
Speaker 4: Yo, I said, biggest, small than bigger. You're looking at
Speaker 4: my confusion. I said, I'm like, no, that's all, and
Speaker 4: you got clearance. Well, I guess Puppy cleared his quicker.
Speaker 4: The two pacing stage is kind of again. They're taking
Speaker 4: a long time, but nobody said no so to me
Speaker 4: to let go.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's gonna tell you no. You know,
Speaker 3: I think that's you're one of those let me get
Speaker 3: your flowers. Please don't cut me off because you don't
Speaker 3: guess to be coming. He deserves to. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's cool. You are one of those people that no
Speaker 3: one can actually say no no.
Speaker 4: It says that all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3: You you, your genuineness, your humbleness and your realness and
Speaker 3: his legacy. I'm not even the legacy is like number seven,
Speaker 3: but the realness and how you you you are as
Speaker 3: a person. I don't think there's anybody on this earth.
Speaker 3: There's certain people who have that you. I see it.
Speaker 3: In fact, Joe I can't tell Fat Joe no, and
Speaker 3: I can't tell DJ Collin no, even though I be
Speaker 3: knowing it's wrong, I'd be like, damn, I don't know
Speaker 3: Colin asked me to do anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the I do it?
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know why where like?
Speaker 1: But but it's real.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because now realness ship, it's the.
Speaker 3: Realness who you are. It's the humbleness and like you
Speaker 3: just all said, the legacy. You're a super super legend.
Speaker 3: You're an icon. And I don't think there's anybody on
Speaker 3: this planet that, if you call yourself, is going to
Speaker 3: say no to you.
Speaker 4: Why you say that, because now he gonna look like
Speaker 4: he's a fucking genius.
Speaker 2: He is a genius. You're honest with you, man.
Speaker 4: But how do you know that that's not something that
Speaker 4: you wouldn't I can see him saying, but you're saying
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 2: I don't listen, man, I don't know no other ways.
Speaker 2: You're never going to see that in yourself.
Speaker 4: That's right about that. And my mother used to be
Speaker 4: so upset, like, yo, what's wrong with you? Because I'd
Speaker 4: be like, I guess what I saw last night? He
Speaker 4: was like, so, like, you know again, but this is
Speaker 4: just me. I just I know that the humblest I'm
Speaker 4: humble to a fault. So that's why I mean, like,
Speaker 4: I really can't say it's the position that I'm in.
Speaker 4: I never was able to even though I got the status,
Speaker 4: I never was able to get to you know that part.
Speaker 1: But it's the long game, and you are reaching that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe the people that you at one point saw.
Speaker 2: That part, they're not here anymore.
Speaker 4: And that's the part that's that's that I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: on that as far as still being here after thirty
Speaker 4: six years, to be able to still be.
Speaker 2: And then to be able to say, okay, you know
Speaker 2: what a I went.
Speaker 4: To a party doing the Grammys, and I went to
Speaker 4: the warning party because I'm on Warner right and I
Speaker 4: walked in there. I was feign because it was all
Speaker 4: young people and I'm the old head in there, you know.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, I'm here with a project getting ready
Speaker 4: to come out in them like three hundred with all
Speaker 4: that shit they got over there, and and I'm over
Speaker 4: there getting ready to come out. So it kind of
Speaker 4: bugged me out a little bit that how the fuck
Speaker 4: I'm doing this this long and still be able to
Speaker 4: And then like like I gotta I got announcement. I
Speaker 4: can't make it right now though too. But about the
Speaker 4: about the shock the world because because because my label
Speaker 4: is going to be with somebody who did this before,
Speaker 4: and we are getting ready to make another impact. You know,
Speaker 4: as far as this, somebody's missing the boat with talent.
Speaker 4: When we signed Nori, we knew he had ten years.
Speaker 4: We're not signing that. Now we signing what's popular. So
Speaker 4: now you see why the music business is not doing
Speaker 4: so well. Seeing why you see the mirage of what
Speaker 4: you think is doing well. Nobody's signing no talent. And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that these everybody that's out it's not talented,
Speaker 4: but the talented people that don't have to worry about you.
Speaker 4: Was there, no you hosted this ship. Leo was like,
Speaker 4: fuck the algorithm, f the fucking likes. You come in
Speaker 4: front of me with this bullshit, smeaging shit, all this ship,
Speaker 4: It don't matter. He told every major person in there,
Speaker 4: sign some fucking talent. All right, he did so, So
Speaker 4: this is where we're at at this particular moment. Can
Speaker 4: you rap nigga save says some bars? Okay, now rhyme
Speaker 4: regular but not behind that record? Okay?
Speaker 2: Can you sing sing regular? Sing sing now?
Speaker 1: A lovedes in the computer as far as talented people,
Speaker 1: and that's what somebody just said that the major label killed.
Speaker 2: The superstar damn used to be the radio kill.
Speaker 4: So we don't have that. So where is the fifty?
Speaker 4: Where's the where's fucking all these people that you see
Speaker 4: that came out every five years? That was youmongous? Where
Speaker 4: where's them? Where's the snoop?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 4: Where are they? We got the same people circling like.
Speaker 2: This and they're there though.
Speaker 1: There's droves of talent, but nobody, nobody doing that.
Speaker 4: That's what Leo was saying. He told the people know
Speaker 4: they said, he said, sign some fucking talent and for
Speaker 4: the only labels. He said, Look at hip hop did
Speaker 4: made on y'all motherfucking millionaires. Leo was wild on that day.
Speaker 4: Oh y'all sitting down there. Hip hop did this for
Speaker 4: y'all very well. So that's what I'm saying. I got
Speaker 4: that part. Damn, I forgot that far. Yeah, you were
Speaker 4: talking about that ship because because the only way he
Speaker 4: don't call him don't fuck with him.
Speaker 1: That dame.
Speaker 3: Me because I was like branking the crowd and ship.
Speaker 3: Jay didn't want to be pranked, and I did not
Speaker 3: break him either, but they told him to do it.
Speaker 1: Break everyone around.
Speaker 4: Him, but not that table was crazy though, Swiss Beads,
Speaker 4: Jermaine Duprex, Jay and and Puppy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was wrong.
Speaker 2: Are you following what's happening with Wendy Williams?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I watched it.
Speaker 2: You know what, what the what are they putting cameras
Speaker 2: in her face?
Speaker 8: She did a series, No nor that ship was supposed
Speaker 8: to be her reintroduction, like she was saying about coming
Speaker 8: back to TV, and then it went left.
Speaker 1: That's what happened.
Speaker 2: And then in that natural thing that.
Speaker 4: Was there right, well, she wasn't suposed to shoot that right,
Speaker 4: but somebody signed, shouldn't I think that to me, like
Speaker 4: that dude that was talking, I think that they got paid. Wow,
Speaker 4: you know because again she wasn't supposed to be seen.
Speaker 4: That wasn't supposed to be seen.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's karma coming back because annoy wanted
Speaker 2: to be aggressive?
Speaker 4: I'm asking, like you think so because that question you
Speaker 4: already answered that that's what that's what everybody else is
Speaker 4: saying that too, too, like but people do it, you know.
Speaker 4: But again, when you had that magnitude and that all that,
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Oh for you to take home?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Real, and that ship has because I didn't I
Speaker 3: didn't think when these people would let that go down.
Speaker 1: Who's the people's I don't know, but I'm just them
Speaker 1: that that was people.
Speaker 4: That know, not not the family fam. You're right, You're right, nobody.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that.
Speaker 4: That's why you got to be like, yo, who benefited?
Speaker 4: And you said, I think it's like the manager and
Speaker 4: that guy that was you know, to me, did they
Speaker 4: kept showing them?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You said the karma karma is the motherfucker though, man.
Speaker 3: I mean because he made a living putting people in
Speaker 3: the vulnerable positions, and now it's like she's going out
Speaker 3: at that same vulnerable visit position that she tried to
Speaker 3: like put.
Speaker 2: Everyone else on.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm just I'm just curious, because I mean,
Speaker 3: she's the queen of black media.
Speaker 4: That's one thing you can't take from it. After Oprah Rumphrey,
Speaker 4: that was it was her. I didn't know how big
Speaker 4: she wasn't even that all those years she was on Like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, god, damn, she was that crazy.
Speaker 3: She was big like that, Like I remember at one
Speaker 3: point I wish she dissed me like sweater, yeah, because
Speaker 3: it was like you you like got somewhere if she
Speaker 3: had beef with.
Speaker 4: You, like and if you see, what does this say
Speaker 4: about somebody not saying your name recently?
Speaker 2: Of Tupac, I always wish, yes.
Speaker 1: I wanted to want to be kind of did this you,
Speaker 1: but he just didn't say your name when he did
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 3: When he did mob Deep, he said, and those other motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, okay, remember.
Speaker 1: What you.
Speaker 2: He was talking about? Because because I was, I never
Speaker 2: even peeked that when he said the motherucker.
Speaker 4: I gotta go back to out.
Speaker 1: Because it never came out of fish.
Speaker 2: It was those those mixtapes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was hilarious.
Speaker 4: He said, I wish he said my name.
Speaker 2: I would have been ill. I would have been.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Tyler said this and a funny
Speaker 3: way to us on our show, and he said, even
Speaker 3: when Kanye West diss you, he picked you up because
Speaker 3: if he diss you, it's like you have a new
Speaker 3: single out, everyone wants.
Speaker 1: To talk to you. And I, oh, no, that, Like,
Speaker 1: what what did I thought about it? He was like,
Speaker 1: I got fifteen interviews over the drink chat and I
Speaker 1: was just like.
Speaker 4: What, You're right, but the certain way say it like
Speaker 4: that the two parts you write about that because if
Speaker 4: your name, that means everybody heard it. Anybody who's normy.
Speaker 1: Right, remember Tino Excel, like who was? Yeah?
Speaker 3: But I remember everyone inquiring about Gino Excel because Tupac
Speaker 3: disst them, and Tupac was like show and you know
Speaker 3: it's like Xcel fuck you too, who fucks you know ourselves?
Speaker 3: And everybody went and I don't know if she and
Speaker 3: Xcel nigga for a week and I love but I
Speaker 3: remember people who didn't know about hip hop was like
Speaker 3: Google was at that time, it wasn't Google back then.
Speaker 1: Whatever Google wasn't the time.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Always end that well, so we got to be honest
Speaker 1: about that point. It doesn't always. Yes, it's true.
Speaker 4: In sidebar, I got the runs. You know what I was.
Speaker 4: I was shipping from six o'clock to like eight thirty. Seriously,
Speaker 4: this is crazy, and I got the bummer gus now
Speaker 4: all another I got to b g and I don't
Speaker 4: know what what part that would get up because you
Speaker 4: went up whatever, I know, but my other ship is
Speaker 4: coming here trying to put it on me was like,
Speaker 4: you gotta take.
Speaker 2: I was just letting I know this avoided because.
Speaker 1: You want to.
Speaker 4: K got a great victice like, no, I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm not scared to do that shop in public. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying the bag that I was since six thirty
Speaker 4: and I figured that, you know what, damn, I get
Speaker 4: to drink Champs and Champs. What happened was that I
Speaker 4: hate some watermelon and because if you eat something else
Speaker 4: is come and you gotta be careful. You got to
Speaker 4: be careful with.
Speaker 2: That before you go to the back of Actally, just
Speaker 2: one question.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go right now.
Speaker 3: But business.
Speaker 2: I got to say a second too. It could be.
Speaker 3: We don't want to record hostile. There's always been that part.
Speaker 3: He's I got a right to be hostile, right, Who
Speaker 3: the fuck was that?
Speaker 4: That's from the public Enemy album at play? But somebody
Speaker 4: from that that's on that lawn. No, that's from the
Speaker 4: public Y albums right when it comes on from from
Speaker 4: Taking Taking? What's that?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 4: It's not without a pause. It's one of them records
Speaker 4: before that. I got it from there, not mar Lauren. No,
Speaker 4: not Flavor you know Flavors boys, you would I thought
Speaker 4: it could have been could have been Grie right, yeah,
Speaker 4: I wasn't fall Who was.
Speaker 1: Who was your biggest influence in hip hop before you.
Speaker 3: Got on run?
Speaker 2: And then the number one number.
Speaker 4: One and the niggas and the niggas around the way,
Speaker 4: like from the Nigga on the way, Yeah, some dude
Speaker 4: named Burgermeister and some dude named Amazing these guys. Was
Speaker 4: was the one that was in the neighborhood. But this
Speaker 4: kid named Frankie.
Speaker 2: It was done Ellen. I remember these.
Speaker 4: People, man, like when when I'm coming back with my names,
Speaker 4: these guys.
Speaker 2: Was somebody's special, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: One c.
Speaker 4: H my boy Patrick, Like, this is where I was
Speaker 4: able to get my ship from from the neighborhood. First,
Speaker 4: before Rappers of Light came out, like he writes the
Speaker 4: music right, rappers like came out and turned my whole
Speaker 4: ship around.
Speaker 2: But before that, it was these niggas, you know, just
Speaker 2: around the way to fit right.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think hip hop and make it this far?
Speaker 2: I know it's a cliche.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you sound like the record. Listen, all I want
Speaker 4: to do is go on the radio, so nothing else
Speaker 4: really matter. Nobody don't think about that. That's crazy a
Speaker 4: song called crossover.
Speaker 2: No, this is before that.
Speaker 4: When you first start, you don't care about the That's
Speaker 4: why seventh thing didn't matter. I got some feet that
Speaker 4: I went to Marshalls and went to King Collen. I
Speaker 4: got groceries from my moms and went to Marshals.
Speaker 2: And you can get your best gear at Marshall's. See
Speaker 2: that's that's Queen's.
Speaker 4: You know. Nig tried to get me your left back mall.
Speaker 2: Oh queens and them all, Yeah, what happened, yo?
Speaker 4: Niggas tried to get me. I went to go see
Speaker 4: this this chick. They try to rob you and She's like, Yo,
Speaker 4: you gotta leave them all. I said, what say, niggas
Speaker 4: gonna be just trying to get you.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: That's why queens like that, like not like that, na
Speaker 4: far as me. Like when I was when I was
Speaker 4: doing my rounds, it was mostly Brooklyn, Manhattan and the Bronx.
Speaker 4: But since that shit happened to me, nigga tried to
Speaker 4: get me going back there.
Speaker 2: Jesus Man left Racklet's make.
Speaker 4: Because crazy because when you get off right from the
Speaker 4: l A, you go down there whatever whatever, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: the girls said you got to get out of here.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Did they come to get you?
Speaker 3: The malls gentified now? Yeah, the malls gentified now yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't. Just So, what is your favorite part of
Speaker 3: the game? Is it making the record or performing the record?
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like is it you you put in the studio? Like
Speaker 2: making the songs is better?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like I said, for I I enjoy
Speaker 4: hearing what this record sounds like when when I'm producing
Speaker 4: an artist. So you know, making those Redman records is fun.
Speaker 4: Making Meth records was fun. Making Keep Merry Records fun
Speaker 4: making EPM D Ship was fun though, too, But they
Speaker 4: don't forget I you know, I don't. Did you know
Speaker 4: the jay Z's the fucking the scarfaces, you know, having
Speaker 4: four three two one and having these type of stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, these records that's out there was fun.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: Doing R and B was fun. You know, I did
Speaker 4: much R and B and I did hip hop music.
Speaker 4: But don't you know, you don't people don't see me
Speaker 4: and be like, oh, yeah, I did the Angelo, I
Speaker 4: did Chicle, the Barge, I did these people. You know,
Speaker 4: you look at all these groups that people it's like,
Speaker 4: wa have to say, google me. But at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, it's like you could say that you
Speaker 4: did this, but like like know you're saying, I can't
Speaker 4: say it a nigga. You ain't me, right, Like the
Speaker 4: niggas ain't me this. Niggas ain't do what I did
Speaker 4: now not what I did. But again there's nobody. I
Speaker 4: don't bark, so there's no vocals, no vocals to be
Speaker 4: able to say, yo. You know, I'm like the underrated nigga,
Speaker 4: but not the underrated nigga, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But when it comes down to me doing rap, music,
Speaker 4: but doing R and B two right because they had
Speaker 4: the opportunities of groups that came to me for your
Speaker 4: your era of producing R and B. I'm talking about
Speaker 4: the ones, the groups that I would have had that
Speaker 4: you could have been behind one hundred percent. Ray Korn,
Speaker 4: I could have had that. I could have had the
Speaker 4: Wu Tang clan. What wait, wait, wait, go back, I
Speaker 4: could have had game. You're going too fast, way too fast.
Speaker 4: Go back to Ray What do you mean you could
Speaker 4: have had? Could have had on They showed the show
Speaker 4: he's this all this stuff and that this is all
Speaker 4: documented forget. But again, had his father had a church,
Speaker 4: you should be sitting here, bro.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 4: As far as he drunk without drinking, he had a
Speaker 4: church of Staaten Allen. But now it took me to
Speaker 4: an apartment in park Hill and the Wu Tang clan
Speaker 4: before day was Wu Tang clan was out there. I
Speaker 4: got a picture that's going over that we can't find
Speaker 4: me on my eye rock with all them in the
Speaker 4: on the irack and me before the Wu Tang Clan.
Speaker 4: Now I take a walk to Ray Korn steps of
Speaker 4: his apartment. His name was Sha Lah at the time.
Speaker 4: Whatever he sit down there. He tells them the interview
Speaker 4: I almost signed with Eric.
Speaker 2: Oh, so before Wu Tang launches, yes this, they ain't
Speaker 2: even know they know Wu Tang clan.
Speaker 4: Yes eighty nine.
Speaker 1: So this is your same thing with Biggie. Biggie's around you.
Speaker 1: You don't know Ray none.
Speaker 4: Ludicris the game, all of them fifty You saw Coury
Speaker 4: when he tells that niggas coming fifty centers like how
Speaker 4: to rob is out whatever, such and such and now
Speaker 4: he got to figure out what to do with him.
Speaker 4: And he knocked on my door because he looked next
Speaker 4: door to me, and he says, Yo, Eric, and you
Speaker 4: know need to take care of this for me. You
Speaker 4: gotta take care of him. That's why I did. You
Speaker 4: don't do it like we do. You on the goddamn record,
Speaker 4: God damn.
Speaker 2: This this soilber drunk. Eric Sermon's out of control.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, does that make you paranoid?
Speaker 4: Niggas out like we do? Next thing? You know, he
Speaker 4: gets shot, But.
Speaker 1: Does that make you paranoid that any artists you come
Speaker 1: across might be the next one but you're not seeing it.
Speaker 4: I turned down nas, I turned down the Fujis. I
Speaker 4: turned down. Fucking this this Olban's artists.
Speaker 2: Don't turn down. Looks sunny, he's about to give you
Speaker 2: a demo.
Speaker 1: Turn down.
Speaker 2: Look he's got the jewels.
Speaker 1: Yo, I'm gonna take a break.
Speaker 2: I got his next.
Speaker 4: It's a part to where like some parts of mistakes
Speaker 4: I made in my life, the mistakes I wish I
Speaker 4: would have been able to to know that, to hear
Speaker 4: what Nas was saying, because again, that was the Illmatic
Speaker 4: album and I had.
Speaker 1: No idea prior to him doing So okay, wait, what
Speaker 1: what part of NAS do you meet him?
Speaker 6: Is it like?
Speaker 4: This is this is producing ill madic, I'm coming for
Speaker 4: you to be a producer, right and you just didn't
Speaker 4: I did, But I did. I did see less records.
Speaker 4: I wasn't paying attention to him, like, oh you didn't
Speaker 4: give them you all?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: And after he left me, but no, I took him
Speaker 4: to Pete Rock at least his job, Yo. I did.
Speaker 4: I did records with him, like like three songs, you know,
Speaker 4: So you were just being what argant at the time,
Speaker 4: It wasn't that, don't because I had my own artists, right,
Speaker 4: and my head squad's already happening at that time.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I don't. I can't hear what queens.
Speaker 4: I'm from Long Island, so I don't know about Queen's
Speaker 4: Bridge and the type of struggle when the whole that
Speaker 4: shit my niggas obvious about get bound and you know,
Speaker 4: then uh yes, bump, and then Reggie got as bitch,
Speaker 4: and then Murray's over here, like you know, so all
Speaker 4: this is too much.
Speaker 1: Right right now, we're all looking in retrospects, so it's
Speaker 1: easy to say that now.
Speaker 2: But I get it now.
Speaker 1: In that landscape, you had the top tier artist already.
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: If I would like if I if he had this,
Speaker 2: the same type of stuff that you.
Speaker 1: Know, he turned out. I heard that he said he
Speaker 1: gave He gave me seedless beats.
Speaker 2: He said, hey, you can just throw away.
Speaker 3: He didn't believe.
Speaker 2: He just he just rhymed on what I gave him.
Speaker 4: But I knew it. It wasn't strong. He didn't give
Speaker 4: him his best, Yeah, because I didn't understand it. But
Speaker 4: the coolest nigga in the planet, Oh my god, we again,
Speaker 4: it was so long ago. I don't even know if
Speaker 4: he if he would remember how the sessions went, but again, whatever,
Speaker 4: he just he rocked on what I gave him.
Speaker 1: But you weren't ad the sessions, were you what you
Speaker 1: weren't being a dick in the session. No, hell no,
Speaker 1: you just to give him your best. I just wasn't
Speaker 1: pay attient.
Speaker 4: I didn't like do the natural thing that you do
Speaker 4: in the studio where you're making records and you like
Speaker 4: it happened like that.
Speaker 1: It was lost pro, it was you. It was you
Speaker 1: was lost pro.
Speaker 3: He took him to Rock after him, he took him
Speaker 3: to pe Rock.
Speaker 4: I love this story and then then again again but no,
Speaker 4: I mean the Foojie is.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're like Jersey, I don't know
Speaker 1: about Jersey's.
Speaker 3: No, this this wasn't right because it was Haitians with
Speaker 3: Jamaica accents.
Speaker 4: No, if it wasn't, If it wasn't for I think
Speaker 4: Salon Remy bro that changed the game.
Speaker 1: If I would have had but that REMI no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that was boom back.
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 4: How many mics? Right? How many mics?
Speaker 2: How many many man that one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? That whatever that remix was, it changed the
Speaker 1: game for DJ Buddy, It changed everybody's.
Speaker 2: Because again, in the beginning of it wasn't Wow, Oh
Speaker 2: so you had Salon do it?
Speaker 6: What k.
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah he did just so sorry, Yeah that's here
Speaker 1: he's he's right here in the backyard.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: But my boy brought me game to the to the
Speaker 2: to the Fox Hills.
Speaker 3: Mall, and and and in l A. You shopping in
Speaker 3: fox Hills Mall.
Speaker 1: That's the hood mall?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, he was in New York.
Speaker 1: Is coming.
Speaker 4: I stopped, all right, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, that's your next sortist. Remember, don't don't
Speaker 2: skip out. You're gonna regret that. You regret this guy.
Speaker 2: So he comes, he comes in right. I talked to him.
Speaker 4: I said, yo, spinning sixteen real quick. He didn't know
Speaker 4: what the sixteen ball was game? Right, So when he
Speaker 4: told the story, he says that I was gonna sound
Speaker 4: with Eric, but he wasn't ready, so I sound with fifth.
Speaker 3: So what happened?
Speaker 2: He spit to sixteen? He didn't do it?
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 4: I know, he spent Ryan, but he didn't know.
Speaker 2: What You didn't see the talent?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah he was. The game was a game, So
Speaker 4: that was your game. That was the game changing for you.
Speaker 4: That he didn't know the sixteen No, I just didn't.
Speaker 4: I just wasn't like I said, poor. I just told you, man,
Speaker 4: I'm already doing me.
Speaker 2: You just was not into it.
Speaker 4: It wasn't that I'm already doing like I'm out there,
Speaker 4: you're stretched in. No, just the fact that my mine's not.
Speaker 4: I'm already like you said, be poor, not that niggas
Speaker 4: wasn't ill. I just wasn't. I was doing some other ship.
Speaker 4: My mom was someplace else.
Speaker 8: Us.
Speaker 1: It had to be.
Speaker 4: The mississ the Missus Murray, the Missus Keith Murray.
Speaker 3: I'm ready for it, come back, sir.
Speaker 4: When we come back Murray at the end, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, at the end of.
Speaker 2: The day too.
Speaker 4: And then when that nigga came, it was really a
Speaker 4: problem because again it was like, holy ship, who are you?
Speaker 4: Because don't forget I heard one line on Keith Murray.
Speaker 4: I heard one line on Red Man put them on
Speaker 4: stage that night. Don't forget. If niggas don't know about
Speaker 4: New New Jersey and Cluss Sensations.
Speaker 1: That's how you discover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go do a show at Cosensations E.
Speaker 4: P and D and New York Brick City. A nine
Speaker 4: ninety smells like a lot of crack. No, but it
Speaker 4: was wall to wall, but they will rob you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but again the respect lever coming part come in. So
Speaker 4: Reggie is brought in by do it All from those
Speaker 4: of undergrounds. He's not those underground yet, so do it
Speaker 4: All rhymes and he says, yo, my man rap, And
Speaker 4: then Reggie was.
Speaker 2: Like, that's not the mayor now right, do it all? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the mayor now, not the mayor, he's an a councilman.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the mayor.
Speaker 4: No, So Reggie said the rhyme like I felt like
Speaker 4: a butterfly stinging like the rock group. So he already
Speaker 4: had me because you're going to say like a be
Speaker 4: he didn't say that metaphor. So I put them on
Speaker 4: stage that night, didn't even know. I'm just freshly like whatever.
Speaker 4: It's like like, yo, what's Reggily doing? What's workman doing
Speaker 4: on the stage? But how you up there? But I
Speaker 4: already knew from the door that I was going to
Speaker 4: fuck with him because of the rhyme. Same thing with
Speaker 4: Keith Murray. I heard one line. He just says, let's
Speaker 4: squash the beef, cook it and we all can get fat.
Speaker 4: So now in my head, all I'm seeing is a
Speaker 4: hamburger inside of the firing passion.
Speaker 1: Raising the.
Speaker 2: To a hamburger.
Speaker 4: Let's squash the beef cooked, we all can get fat. Now,
Speaker 4: who the fuck is metaphorm like that? So again right,
Speaker 4: it's too far at fetched. So I knew what it was,
Speaker 4: you know, I knew from the door what it was.
Speaker 4: And I never you ever get demos or you play
Speaker 4: somebody who's somebody around for you and you hear about
Speaker 4: a couple of bars, and you know off the bat
Speaker 4: like yo, no he's not ill you know that they
Speaker 4: ain't gotta pay you off. But they put you the
Speaker 4: whole record because you gotta listen to it.
Speaker 3: Play the whole record, not with them, not with Red
Speaker 3: and Keep and dost Effects. We didn't get into dostap
Speaker 3: facts too much. Let's talk about.
Speaker 4: Well, we met them at a at their school at
Speaker 4: a rap contest Brooklyn. No, Virginia.
Speaker 3: Dost Effect is not from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: You know, they went to college.
Speaker 1: That's the childhood Brooklyn from bookly one from Jersey.
Speaker 2: But they met in college.
Speaker 4: In college. They met in college and there was a
Speaker 4: rap contest and we let these other guys win because
Speaker 4: we knew that were going to fuck with them. Oh
Speaker 4: ship one hundred dollars. You let the other guys win. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: because we knew that they were going to eventually fuck
Speaker 4: with these guys, because the day was already to advance. Yes, wow,
Speaker 4: there was advanced that did that that. You see what happened?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, they was
Speaker 4: they was ready, you know, for some reason, they were
Speaker 4: just ready, you know. And and Sylvia Romes. So Sylvias
Speaker 4: signed all those people that's different, you know, Buster Rhymes,
Speaker 4: Missy Elliott's Effects case Solo, like everybody that was different.
Speaker 4: Sylvia signed all those people who were just like different
Speaker 4: that people would be like, yeah, yeah she did.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah for Sylvia wrong. Yeah, woman, strong black women
Speaker 3: out there still getting it too, still getting it still
Speaker 3: hold on, let me get to my notes.
Speaker 2: So y'all discuss Keith Murray already? No, man?
Speaker 6: What what?
Speaker 4: What? What is it?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: I want to just talk about just how you just
Speaker 1: talking about do effects the meeting Keith Murray because he
Speaker 1: was post uh his squad.
Speaker 2: He wasn't in his squad. No, he wasn't death squad, right,
Speaker 2: So what was that?
Speaker 1: How did that beg?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean of course it was like in the beginning,
Speaker 4: nobody wanted to listen. Nobody wanted to sign Dos Effects again,
Speaker 4: but no, I went out there and that's why nobody
Speaker 4: wanted to sign them because nobody definitely didn't like him
Speaker 4: deaf like red Man either.
Speaker 1: That's crazy man.
Speaker 2: He's like a death jam child.
Speaker 4: And then Leo called in like then like Keith Murray.
Speaker 4: So that's why Keith Murray was no on death sham job.
Speaker 1: He was on job y.
Speaker 4: But Russell was pissed because Russell didn't know that Leo
Speaker 4: had turned down Keith Murray.
Speaker 2: So they're not always right. Let's be honest, we've.
Speaker 1: Been I'm just saying you guys were.
Speaker 2: Saying how much how right there?
Speaker 1: They're not all.
Speaker 4: But when Keith Murray was in prison and it came home,
Speaker 4: they gave him two point eight million dollars job or.
Speaker 1: A death jam.
Speaker 3: I was on that, I was, I was on tour.
Speaker 2: I was on tour with Keith Murray.
Speaker 4: So I don't forget that. The can you imagine Jay?
Speaker 4: None of them got no no deal like that. Nobody
Speaker 4: made no he's got no deal like Murray got coming
Speaker 4: home from prison three years from prison two point seven
Speaker 4: million dollars at that time. Right, that's crazy, And they
Speaker 4: gave job the six hundred and Murray kept the rest.
Speaker 4: Wow the contract. Get him out of the Contray, I
Speaker 4: don't forget. So now you got fatty girl coming special
Speaker 4: delivery like this is this niggas you expect she's about
Speaker 4: to be He's back to back like this, Leil like, YO,
Speaker 4: give him that. So he ended up being that death
Speaker 4: jam later on two thousand and three. Later, but you
Speaker 4: know it happened. But in the beginning, Leo didn't tell
Speaker 4: Russell that he turned to start WOW.
Speaker 2: So suggests Keith, married, I got to you. You said
Speaker 2: you wanted to use You want him to come.
Speaker 3: I love to come on the show.
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 2: But wait, but I understand your point of view.
Speaker 3: Keith seeing me at El's rock the balls right sitting outside,
Speaker 3: what the one that just passed two years ago?
Speaker 1: This is two years ago.
Speaker 3: This is like post pandemic. I see Keith. Keith sees me,
Speaker 3: say what's up? But I'm waiting for my people to
Speaker 3: come in. So I'm waiting for my people to come in,
Speaker 3: and security stop me and they say, yo, see what
Speaker 3: you because I'm waiting for my people. So I'm like no,
Speaker 3: because I'm my people is coming down. Keith must have
Speaker 3: took it like I was saying, no, he's not with me.
Speaker 3: I kind of didn't say it like that. And I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you why I was in queensed. If I
Speaker 3: was anywhere else in the world and if Keith needed
Speaker 3: to get in, I'm obligated to get a fellow rapper.
Speaker 3: And I'm obligated. But I know he's from Long Island.
Speaker 3: He's going right down the flot He's good. I was
Speaker 3: gonna come get him eventually. I was gonna come get
Speaker 3: an event. But I got these people that waited months
Speaker 3: to see me. I'm to wait it months to see me.
Speaker 3: So I did kind of pick my people over seeing
Speaker 3: where Keith was.
Speaker 4: It was a misunderstanding.
Speaker 1: Man, he's a misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: I want to dress it like a man. I want
Speaker 3: to dress it like a man because how he took it,
Speaker 3: how he took it could have been that way. It
Speaker 3: could have been because it was just a spirit moment
Speaker 3: like me, like I died him and that's not me.
Speaker 3: That's what this whole show is about. It's give him flowers.
Speaker 3: When I see a fellow legend, I want to salute
Speaker 3: a legend. But at the same time, I don't do
Speaker 3: shows no more. Eric, you said you don't leave the couch.
Speaker 3: I don't leave the motherfucking couch.
Speaker 4: You've come. He'll couch outside up.
Speaker 1: These places.
Speaker 3: Spot to be there. So when I'm there and I'm
Speaker 3: seeing a fellow person clear these restaurants, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear.
Speaker 5: We all know.
Speaker 3: We all know to a certain extent, Keith is a
Speaker 3: liability to a certain extent, I did not want to
Speaker 3: be responsible for the person that let Keith, and knowing
Speaker 3: that he has relationship.
Speaker 4: With l L.
Speaker 3: We're all here for l L, regardless of your check
Speaker 3: is involved or not, be a dire for l L.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be the guy, the snick Keith
Speaker 3: marry Inn and he do some great He fought on
Speaker 3: the mic. We've seen him far on the mic and
Speaker 3: Big Face Gary Show. We see him standing in front
Speaker 3: of the the streets stopping cars. We seen him jump
Speaker 3: on top of a girl's back. It's all documented, guys,
Speaker 3: this is all on the internet. So I felt at
Speaker 3: that time I didn't want to be responsible. But did
Speaker 3: I just Keith? Hell no, that's not what I meant
Speaker 3: that was not my intention.
Speaker 1: That was not my intentions. But my intention was to
Speaker 1: protect myself though as well.
Speaker 2: I got you, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: So he went, so, this is why I was mad.
Speaker 1: This is the reason why I was mad.
Speaker 2: He told the story on Big Face Gary Show.
Speaker 1: I laughed at it. It was cool. I seen him
Speaker 1: with you after that. Do you know where we see
Speaker 1: each other?
Speaker 3: Once?
Speaker 4: I seen him.
Speaker 1: Be to you once, I I can't right to want
Speaker 1: to say, Keith, I said, I didn't mean it like that.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, are we good? And he said we're good.
Speaker 1: He smiled at me, and we actually have it on
Speaker 1: foot of me, in front.
Speaker 3: Of the knock, in front of him because I didn't
Speaker 3: step to him.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was like, what you now. I
Speaker 1: was just like, yo, broderstand.
Speaker 3: Me red Man.
Speaker 2: We shook hands.
Speaker 3: We have it on tape. Then he goes on Willie
Speaker 3: d Show and he goes, I heard Nordy got five
Speaker 3: million dollars and he turned he's by the way, I
Speaker 3: don't know what this fucking rumor about, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so soon as Noory, you know, got money, he started
Speaker 3: changing on me and I'm like that I've never changed.
Speaker 3: There's one incident, is that rock the Bells you have
Speaker 3: records with LL.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like l L is obligated to
Speaker 1: get you in more than me, more than me. I'm
Speaker 1: here for our job.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, I know the fact that this man, yeah,
Speaker 4: if you know, keep from every story and he never
Speaker 4: told that story. You know, like no parents, the way
Speaker 4: that his parents died, the where his sistant them died,
Speaker 4: oh bless the way that he had to help stuff
Speaker 4: down as a young eighteen year old kids on the block.
Speaker 4: Who funded who funded everybody? People? We had biggest, small
Speaker 4: than the hood people. We had noads in the hood
Speaker 4: like these people they fuck.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why you know he's loved so so like.
Speaker 4: Anybody else who has you know, something that's conflicted right again,
Speaker 4: this is the things you know. Things happened, and.
Speaker 3: It was two things. Let me just tell you what else.
Speaker 3: So as we see each other, I get my people in.
Speaker 3: Who was waiting for thirty minutes, I get them in.
Speaker 3: He was waiting for his time. But then we both
Speaker 3: go to the bathroom. We both come out in the
Speaker 3: bathroom and we were like, he's on one side of
Speaker 3: the bathroom and on the other side of the bathroom
Speaker 3: and we both come out to the bath.
Speaker 1: I don't like giving you know, five after the bathroom,
Speaker 1: it's just thing. Go to the stage.
Speaker 3: I go to the stage, I perform, and Keith says,
Speaker 3: and I have to address this part. He goes, he didn't.
Speaker 3: He didn't stay there when Tragedy performed. Well, I just
Speaker 3: want to explain something to because I gotta address him,
Speaker 3: because he addressed me twice. He did it on Big
Speaker 3: Face Gary Show and did it on Really Defus.
Speaker 1: What you Gotta do with me though, exactly exactly set
Speaker 1: your ass up. So so look, so this is I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not negative at all though.
Speaker 3: So what happened was, he says, Yo, Normy got on
Speaker 3: stage and when Trag performed, he walked to the side.
Speaker 2: That's called taking a break.
Speaker 1: It's called getting the water break, and it's called that.
Speaker 3: This was my show. I was trying to let Trag shine.
Speaker 1: How could you take that in any other way?
Speaker 2: So I don't watch nobody good things in my class.
Speaker 4: When when I'm done my work, I'm funking out of there.
Speaker 4: And to just be like that too, because I used
Speaker 4: to be like, damn, why niggas going home because I
Speaker 4: didn't understand that when I was younger, Like niggas ain't
Speaker 4: watching my show. I don't give a funk who out there.
Speaker 3: So let me just finish just saying that the fuck home,
Speaker 3: keithver you the only reason why. And by the way
Speaker 3: he said that he turned us down. I don't ever
Speaker 3: remember that. I don't ever remember that. But let me
Speaker 3: just tell you something, Keith. The only reason why we
Speaker 3: didn't take that interview at that time was because of
Speaker 3: us seeing that footage and us being concerned. Yes, do
Speaker 3: we have other people that's on here out of control.
Speaker 3: We have, but we didn't know better and now we do.
Speaker 6: So the.
Speaker 2: One thing that I don't want to do is help.
Speaker 4: Ruin some a legends. But one thing that you you
Speaker 4: got to know though, too, is the fact that so
Speaker 4: Be hereward was right. Yep, fantastic, fantastic. The whole thing
Speaker 4: about it, too is the.
Speaker 1: Fact that once you but they say they good with
Speaker 1: around you.
Speaker 4: But still but still you have to you have to
Speaker 4: all this stuff that could put you in the situation. Yep,
Speaker 4: this is what you can, but it takes away from
Speaker 4: the show. It's called.
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm still me, Yeah, conversations. Your conversation
Speaker 3: is still dope. So that's he's a fake Puerto Rican
Speaker 3: listening and I still find the way it don't.
Speaker 4: Matter without it. So again, the fact that I know
Speaker 4: the conversation would be and that's why I wanted to say, yeah,
Speaker 4: not like every every chance. Is the fact like when
Speaker 4: you when somebody's alone and you know, and they going down,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 3: You know, like because between me and you, like big
Speaker 3: Face Gary told me I had a conversation with Big
Speaker 3: Face Gary, Big Face Gary. I was like, yo, did
Speaker 3: did he drink? And He's like yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute. So I didn't want that because I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, cool, just like how you not drinking? We
Speaker 3: can still do that. But the last thing I want
Speaker 3: to do is he drink. Is someone laughing, he'd take
Speaker 3: a joke the wrong way and try to get physical,
Speaker 3: so something that's like, we don't need that.
Speaker 2: What we need is give you your flowers.
Speaker 4: But I think that the convo that he would give
Speaker 4: you would be fantastic. I think it's gonna happen at
Speaker 4: the end of the day too, which is like, listen
Speaker 4: to the memo I was on drugs for fifteen years. Right,
Speaker 4: I was doing purgocept for from two thousand and eight
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty two. All right, June second to be
Speaker 4: my second will be my two years of me being sober.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, congrats, congrats.
Speaker 3: I just made them money.
Speaker 4: I understand about that substance abuse.
Speaker 2: This is what somebody hass you know, serious and to.
Speaker 4: Anybody that's just They taught me this in the in
Speaker 4: the rehab, I can tell f Intwo he blew in
Speaker 4: the face to go get help. It ain't gonna matter.
Speaker 4: You're so intervendens right before with people. You gotta be ready.
Speaker 4: Everybody needs to start with like, go and talk to
Speaker 4: each other. And who's talking to him, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: The individual itself passed the change. I had to say
Speaker 4: two to myself. I got to go inside, even though
Speaker 4: I let all that time go by to where at
Speaker 4: the end, I'm taking these thirties that are mixed with fetnol.
Speaker 4: So when I go in there and take my piss tests,
Speaker 4: they said, oh, you.
Speaker 2: Do fetnol too, don't you. I'm like, I don't do fetanol.
Speaker 4: So that means that the fetnah and the press pills
Speaker 4: I was getting because again the street is provided me. Now,
Speaker 4: now the doctors, I'm on the street getting pills. Of course,
Speaker 4: you know, people, I never went back to them. You know,
Speaker 4: you can't go back and they ain't gonna be giving
Speaker 4: you pills. You gotta go to the street. But again,
Speaker 4: the nigga who I was dealing with, I didn't know
Speaker 4: that he was dirty. But again, if I'm spending eight
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a month, of course he don't give a
Speaker 4: fucking If the pills is fucked up, I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: with the value of them eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Look at this face looking like, I will hold your custoiner.
Speaker 4: So so of course, people who I thought that was
Speaker 4: my friend's damn, I could have died. But towards the end,
Speaker 4: I kept throwing up. So every time I would pop,
Speaker 4: I would throw up.
Speaker 2: You get rid of the talks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it wasn't happening until that time. Wow, So
Speaker 4: whatever happened, that guard was like, hey know what, Hey,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm gonna keep saving you, but the next
Speaker 4: time you might not make it.
Speaker 2: So I went to rehab, went upstate, stayed there.
Speaker 4: Mad. People talked the whole nine because the most part
Speaker 4: is that I was worried about the withdrawal part. So
Speaker 4: the withdraw part make years go by it because is
Speaker 4: technically heroin, right, it's the synthetic heroin. The heroin is
Speaker 4: what you're addicted to. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: people that was in there, it was one dude named Smiley.
Speaker 4: He had tracks all on this arm up and he
Speaker 4: did tell him to put a shirt on because he
Speaker 4: again you could see everything he was. His whole arms
Speaker 4: was filled.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: People that was doing fetanal to regularly. Crack was still
Speaker 4: heavy in there, you know, and people was there because.
Speaker 2: What you mean people were doing fitting all No, no.
Speaker 4: No, that's about fault, is that. Yeah, when you hit
Speaker 4: that story, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right because the
Speaker 4: hospital uses it, so it's fitting on something that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it don't have to be the bad ship, the
Speaker 4: bad and killing people. But they still use it in
Speaker 4: the hospital, of the street, the streets ships this bad
Speaker 4: so but but again this stuff again, you can go
Speaker 4: to heroin because once you can't afford the bill, you shoot,
Speaker 4: don't forget. You have to have money. So it was
Speaker 4: never gonna stop for me. That's the flex a little
Speaker 4: bit around. So if you got the bread you're gonna
Speaker 4: always be doing it. But the sad part of the
Speaker 4: fact that magic fin that money towards the end unit
Speaker 4: getting high. So for the last two years I'm doing
Speaker 4: it so I won't get with durls. So that's the
Speaker 4: part that's fucked up. So when people see when your
Speaker 4: talents comes now, Luckily, if I would have said, fuck it,
Speaker 4: I need to get that feeling and then I would
Speaker 4: have started shooting, that's the next step.
Speaker 2: That's what people go to.
Speaker 4: They go to the needle, you know, because the heroin
Speaker 4: part whatever ain't doing it for you no more. So
Speaker 4: that's what the whole part was with me. I'm like
Speaker 4: so like when you talk like when I did that,
Speaker 4: Timmelin left a big paragraph under my ship like Eric,
Speaker 4: he right, these are niggas. That was uses him meek
Speaker 4: fucking the bow, wows the waynes all these niggas sudden
Speaker 4: study they call it lean, but hydro code on is
Speaker 4: this liquid form of heroin exactly. So all this opio
Speaker 4: that was at that time, you know me, it came
Speaker 4: from the doctor I had back surgery. He gave me
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty pills. It stands this tall inside
Speaker 4: of the and a thing with one twenty so after
Speaker 4: while you take the one, you take the two, and
Speaker 4: now your back pain is gone. And then you're like,
Speaker 4: then that shit feel good. The next you know, the
Speaker 4: next time you look up at twenty two days, all
Speaker 4: that the whole bottle is gone.
Speaker 3: You're addicted.
Speaker 4: It takes seven days for addiction.
Speaker 3: Wow, you know what's the crazy shit? I really appreciate
Speaker 3: you sharing that story because most people have never seen
Speaker 3: that version of you, Like, no, you got to be outsider.
Speaker 4: Look, you got to you got to be put together,
Speaker 4: you got to be not in and leading, and you
Speaker 4: got to have no money. She's the part you got
Speaker 4: to show. I'm still gonna raise my son, so I'm
Speaker 4: still taking them to school, watching them, feeding them the
Speaker 4: whole none cooking whatever, taking them to practice. The whole
Speaker 4: ship is the function and crackhead, right wow, right, what
Speaker 4: that is? The real street, the whole night is still
Speaker 4: doing them. The only time you don't do it is
Speaker 4: because you don't have any bread, and so now you're
Speaker 4: falling off.
Speaker 1: And then you got to go to the street and
Speaker 1: that and you're looking like you're looking the part.
Speaker 4: So you're doing it. But if you got this ship
Speaker 4: going you straight. Yeah, So I'm not gonna give that
Speaker 4: off and then whatever, I can't let you see me
Speaker 4: like that. So the kids didn't even understand. They were
Speaker 4: shocked as too. When I'm in read, they don't know
Speaker 4: that you can't you can't physically see that person, you know,
Speaker 4: unless they sucked up.
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's what makes it very very unique
Speaker 3: about you. Is I forget who I told today. I
Speaker 3: was like and I was like, I'm mad excited to
Speaker 3: interview told but no Eric Sherman, right, I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm mad exciting, right.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 2: You told me and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like a mad
Speaker 1: man because I was just like just hype.
Speaker 3: You know, even though you're my friend, I can say
Speaker 3: to you my friend, but I'm still like, it doesn't
Speaker 3: take away from me being your fan. It can't, it can't,
Speaker 3: And I'm mad excited it And I never that question
Speaker 3: would have never came up, like because I never I
Speaker 3: always seen you put together. I've never seen you out
Speaker 3: of line. Now people say that about d m X
Speaker 3: to me, right, say that I never seen DMX. How Ever,
Speaker 3: because they say that when d m A you, they
Speaker 3: said that I never they said no, I said, because
Speaker 3: when he actually got high, he stayed inside. So you
Speaker 3: were seeing him on on alcohol, you seeing him on the.
Speaker 1: So so that was shocking to me.
Speaker 3: But with you, that's kind of like the total opposite
Speaker 3: because I've kind of never seen you slipping like I
Speaker 3: kind of always seen you put together for every time.
Speaker 3: And that's one thing I said that somebody asked me,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I like, you know, I since
Speaker 3: silly love Eric Sherman as a person, not only his
Speaker 3: music and not only you know, if it was for
Speaker 3: ep M D with me a CNN. But you've always
Speaker 3: been the same. So you you got an excellent version.
Speaker 1: Of hot than that you have ecstasy at he was
Speaker 1: the dealer. I can see.
Speaker 4: It's the.
Speaker 1: It's a deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now.
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, yes now that you for you?
Speaker 2: You get I mean I never got. Just help let
Speaker 2: me get you.
Speaker 4: I tell you the ecstasy story.
Speaker 1: We want to get into it.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: The Century Club in l A. Right, that sounds like
Speaker 2: a place for ecstasy.
Speaker 4: So now I don't know nothing about this. It's me
Speaker 4: dre exhibit A few other people get mad, go out right.
Speaker 3: It's a girl who introduced it to you know, doctor
Speaker 3: Dre did. Doctor Dre is the first person who gave
Speaker 3: you ecstasy. Let's talk some noise about the Dre.
Speaker 2: I don't make it do. I could have died, so
Speaker 2: the cronic.
Speaker 4: Crazy because again I don't even know if he if
Speaker 4: he remembered this story.
Speaker 2: But they're about to remember it.
Speaker 4: But anyway, this is what Sun Section Shouldtree club. We're
Speaker 4: going to. He pops the trunk, going net Pataya passed
Speaker 4: out appeals to everybody. Look, I got, I got no instructions.
Speaker 2: By the way, I want to be at this party
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 1: Continue should club?
Speaker 3: I got so.
Speaker 4: Now we're in the Sphery Club right, like the record
Speaker 4: says city clubs. Now my homegirl Alisha's there, Barby Brown's wife. Right,
Speaker 4: this is wow ninety.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Let me see what I was because I was doing
Speaker 4: exhibits album, so I.
Speaker 1: Would say ninety six first exhibit album, the first one
Speaker 1: that's ninety four five ninety five.
Speaker 4: I did the call the was shoe on the the
Speaker 4: one that had Pross.
Speaker 1: First man is a two thousand drugs.
Speaker 2: So I had to be like nty six exceed no nigga.
Speaker 2: He was out ninety five no in Miami for sure.
Speaker 1: You know it's like it's like ninety you're talking about
Speaker 1: ninety six.
Speaker 4: No camp, nigga, it's no reason.
Speaker 2: Ninety eight the second album, Someone was.
Speaker 4: So ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Second album.
Speaker 2: I do the sense.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: So I go to your club, Alicia. We lost our
Speaker 4: friend Tiffany. She just had died. So she starts crying.
Speaker 4: So now I'm in the club boo hooing, crying with us.
Speaker 4: You're rolling, You're under no instructions with extasy. I'm crying
Speaker 4: with u.
Speaker 2: I mean boo hooing.
Speaker 4: Right after done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't laugh that. No, someone passed. After I'm done,
Speaker 2: we go to the what's that hotel?
Speaker 4: Would tell the MDIO nothing on the other one, the manchos, no,
Speaker 4: not in montals need a deco hotel. No the other one, no,
Speaker 4: not not that one's hotel. Let's go Let's hotel, right,
Speaker 4: because always do he is the w then am always
Speaker 4: part to go whatever. So I go Lormitage. So the
Speaker 4: l was first would lie and there the m come
Speaker 4: out for that Dan. So so the Lamitage is the
Speaker 4: drug is.
Speaker 1: So drunk.
Speaker 3: Slumber champs gone.
Speaker 4: Well, the Lormitage. I ain't gonna tell you who famous
Speaker 4: wife this is. But somebody that's real famous, that's yous
Speaker 4: I got his wife in the room, right, I want
Speaker 4: to know, but she wouldn't she wasn't married then, Oh man,
Speaker 4: I don't even work marry with people like that ever
Speaker 4: in my life. So now I don't got no instructions.
Speaker 4: So now I'm in there buggering the fuck. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: now my mouth is driving my ship. Everything is dry,
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there tripping. She come in there with
Speaker 4: the robe on nothing. I'm like, get out. I'm like,
Speaker 4: so now I'm sitting there. They forgot to tell me
Speaker 4: to drink water.
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta do.
Speaker 1: So now?
Speaker 4: And like this, no na, after I kicked I kicked
Speaker 4: the girl out. I'm in the bed, but time is
Speaker 4: moving slow. It's still maybe like in the morning. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna be able to get through this. But again,
Speaker 4: if they were told me about to have somebody with
Speaker 4: you drink water the whole night, I got no instruction
Speaker 4: because I'm already booing. I'm already boohooing in the club
Speaker 4: draga ecstasy and said you take on the emotions of
Speaker 4: I took the emotions on that, but got to the
Speaker 4: room and whatever like that. But again that's that's whatever
Speaker 4: the experience. I never took that ever again in my
Speaker 4: life ever, and people rock with that. The whole time
Speaker 4: about walking about ecstasy is because the same effraial yous
Speaker 4: you get from that euphoria, that's what percoset does. That's
Speaker 4: why the people in the records speak about it so much.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't. But nobody's gonna speak about something that don't
Speaker 4: make them hot. That ecstasy feel you get. Pergoset give
Speaker 4: you that too. But does the percoset make you sleepy? No,
Speaker 4: that's certain people. Everything that every drug works lean. And
Speaker 4: the thing is is that it's the time before you
Speaker 4: fall asleep. There's that euphoria. That's the euphoria. But it
Speaker 4: can make you create and make records and be as
Speaker 4: ill as you possibly can while niggas smoke weed. That's
Speaker 4: why niggas did held when that's why you got people
Speaker 4: who over those. So you got the Kirk Coke Burns
Speaker 4: or the Marvin Gaye or that donnia have the way
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 2: Get create.
Speaker 4: In there fucking beating that piano all night five of
Speaker 4: the morning.
Speaker 3: You know, are you.
Speaker 4: No will? I'm just giving you what.
Speaker 1: It'll make you do you're recreating a way too real, bro.
Speaker 4: No, but because know when you when you up there
Speaker 4: and you hide the creative part of it makes you
Speaker 4: feel good. You just thought you'd be in there.
Speaker 2: You know, you ever worked an Electric Lady. No, I
Speaker 2: wish I would have you. That's with the cat.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's that's something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cat was a cat there in Dangelo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: d Angela had something to do.
Speaker 2: No, you have to know he ended up working there afterwards.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's Jimmy.
Speaker 1: And there was to be a white cat there.
Speaker 3: And I'm allergic to cats like anywhere, Like, if a
Speaker 3: cat is down the block, I will break out. That's
Speaker 3: the only cat in the world that I didn't break
Speaker 3: out for. And I swore to God that was Jimmy
Speaker 3: Hens what a real cat. Yeah, like a cat that
Speaker 3: was not the homie cat. Yeah, that's why I thought you.
Speaker 3: I swore you would have worked at an Electric lad
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: You know what, you get to this, to this, to
Speaker 4: this thing, and you tell stories and you keep it
Speaker 4: getting how sensitive people are.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 2: I just told people like, don't call me, tell me yo,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just talking.
Speaker 4: In my head. About people that don't worry. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: but people.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. They blame us anyways, you know. But I
Speaker 2: don't want to bring up the story though, But again.
Speaker 1: Bring the story what you do, right, because this is history,
Speaker 1: no real, we're documenting history. That's the problem that hip
Speaker 1: hop hasn't done a very good job of documenting itself properly.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: You know, we gotta be told.
Speaker 3: God damn it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some I got some ship though, man
Speaker 4: with some other niggas. So you had a story or
Speaker 4: no I got I mean, that's that's yeah, buget fuck out, man,
Speaker 4: you got understand. This is why I tell people was
Speaker 4: see how everybody is famous. Now imagine that eighty eight.
Speaker 4: It's only like twelve of us, right, there's a small
Speaker 4: group with the whole world.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: And the poem we told about, man David talk about
Speaker 4: the other day. I'm in Philadelphia, I'm Michael Jackson. I
Speaker 4: gotta jump over the gate. I got ten thousand kids
Speaker 4: chasing me.
Speaker 2: Use finger popping everything I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Say, because how it was like the same type of
Speaker 4: that's what you see, what you see talking about whatever
Speaker 4: you see. The fucking people talk about they're all famous now,
Speaker 4: but back then it was only twelve of us, and
Speaker 4: I was one of them, like e pmd Rahim Rock, Caim,
Speaker 4: Dougie Hammered Short. But it's only name you could name
Speaker 4: fifteen people. Can you imagine that with the whole world?
Speaker 4: I think, and this is the thing I know. I
Speaker 4: think the culture takes RANDI hold, hold, hold it. But
Speaker 4: I think I think the culture takes for granted that
Speaker 4: reality that it was a small thing day grew. I
Speaker 4: like to say when the iPod came to play and
Speaker 4: it made hip hop a thing beyond hip hop where
Speaker 4: you have a playlist, But we did that well, Apple
Speaker 4: and all these jobs.
Speaker 2: But that's what that's what explained it was in the culture.
Speaker 4: Remember Eminem had one commercial, Remember that, right, because don't
Speaker 4: forget Steve went to Jimmy Iveen and said, Yo, I
Speaker 4: got this ship called Apple, called it the iPod, want
Speaker 4: you suck with it? Jimmy Iveen is making a hundred
Speaker 4: million dollars in this call. He gets the funk about
Speaker 4: what Steve is talking about. So but in the beginning,
Speaker 4: Eminem does one commercial for Apple.
Speaker 2: We never saw the game. Really, he did one commercial
Speaker 2: for Apple.
Speaker 1: You two.
Speaker 4: He didn't nobody, Jimmy Iveen, nobody believed in it. They
Speaker 4: didn't believe that, so they didn't let it happen. What
Speaker 4: Steve was playing with like, he changed that. That ship
Speaker 4: changed the game. That fucking iPod.
Speaker 1: That's what changed everything, but also changed Apple. But that's
Speaker 1: what changed hip hop in terms of it being just culturally,
Speaker 1: because I tell people all till I'm like from Miami
Speaker 1: hip hop standpoint, I'm like, I remember going around and
Speaker 1: it was a few thousand hip hops.
Speaker 4: You said that because that's what happened. Steve went to
Speaker 4: him whatever, and Jimmy is like, look at me, Nigga
Speaker 4: in the scope, I'm fucking h you coming to me
Speaker 4: with this.
Speaker 2: Didn't believe it. And it changed the game. It changed everything.
Speaker 1: It changed everything because it crossed genre and everything and
Speaker 1: made everybody be into everything.
Speaker 2: And then it just good and bad.
Speaker 4: There's good and I wish though, oh my God, to
Speaker 4: be able to Tuesday comes and the CDs coming out.
Speaker 4: Nigga's on the line of Tower Records and be a
Speaker 4: soul opened up and read the back and the whole,
Speaker 4: and that's that.
Speaker 2: That was Sam Goodie and the Mixtape errow, Like.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if that still existed, that we waited
Speaker 4: for Tuesday and we waited for that and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, niggas dropping, Like yo, what can you imagine
Speaker 4: we still had that type of ship Like I understand
Speaker 4: about technology though, but to be able to you as
Speaker 4: a fan to open up the package and it was
Speaker 4: recording but but but then but then play the sequence right,
Speaker 4: But to care the sequence was important shuffle.
Speaker 1: To care about it, guys, this is a shuffle available
Speaker 1: we're talking about to care about even wanting to read
Speaker 1: those credits.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying that when it changed, like
Speaker 3: there's the positivity of the audience growing.
Speaker 4: Actually was important because then when that interlude came, the
Speaker 4: inter it's a red down on your head. It's a
Speaker 4: red down on your head too. Oh Ship, then the
Speaker 4: record coming like that was nothing like that, Like I
Speaker 4: know it's a dream though, but damn man, Ship.
Speaker 3: You was one of the first people that I heard
Speaker 3: speak about streaming. Do you think in retrospect it's a
Speaker 3: good thing or a bad thing?
Speaker 4: Streaming right now is quadjupling. The contracts we got when
Speaker 4: we got contract meaning when we.
Speaker 3: Signed our contracts, the Perpetuity did and that was involved.
Speaker 4: Is even with the less than one penny, it is
Speaker 4: better than the contracts we got.
Speaker 1: Wait, because of how much exponentially.
Speaker 4: Money that's being made is way way more than the
Speaker 4: contract that we got.
Speaker 2: But the money being made for the label. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 4: Have, if you independent and you got the name and
Speaker 4: it goes to you, I'm just going to pause what's
Speaker 4: happening with me and when you talk to baby. When
Speaker 4: Baby says, if you think there's no money in the
Speaker 4: music business, union in the music business because people like him.
Speaker 4: But the contract, this is what I'm saying. The contract
Speaker 4: that we got that you signed from every artist doesn't
Speaker 4: compare to the one less than one pinion that we get.
Speaker 4: The streaming now, I don't know about what everybody else
Speaker 4: thinks is doing, but I've seen it happen for people
Speaker 4: and what it's doing for other people who are benefiting
Speaker 4: off streaming. But the ill part of the fact that
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be going up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Congress is supposed to pas it to one penny,
Speaker 1: to a penny to a penny, which everybody's like, that's ridiculous, buddy.
Speaker 2: But you're can imagine what a penny. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: is way big difference.
Speaker 1: But then when Snoop goes out and says this needs
Speaker 1: to change, I believe do you feel like the legacy
Speaker 1: artists should deserve?
Speaker 4: Noop is the one that made that thing happen? Oh
Speaker 4: really because him vocalizing one billion of streams only made systance.
Speaker 4: But see I could get on him. It is different
Speaker 4: for the producer, got you. The producer is not the
Speaker 4: artists or the writer like we we It's always been
Speaker 4: different for the producer. If we if we are the
Speaker 4: whole thing, we get the whole tea.
Speaker 2: As a producer.
Speaker 4: Producer, we just we get that. I just showed you
Speaker 4: on publishing and then on it right. But the artist,
Speaker 4: the producer period is going to be because again you
Speaker 4: get you get all that publishing, you get role, you
Speaker 4: get all of that that come with it. The writer
Speaker 4: doesn't get. The artist doesn't get it that contract GT
Speaker 4: made for him and her unless you you're big artist.
Speaker 2: You sell those millions of.
Speaker 4: Records and then you look for your advance to come
Speaker 4: back big, not the other mechanical stuff that the next
Speaker 4: advanced the label side exactly, and then they be like
Speaker 4: you know what you owe me five in thousands because
Speaker 4: I pay for that this way.
Speaker 2: Whatever, So you never the label, You'll never be cooped.
Speaker 4: You're gonna always owe them there, gonna always owe them always.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing charges as a young young and they
Speaker 3: would tell me, you know, we didn't have Instagram back then,
Speaker 3: we didn't have Twitter, and they would tell me, you know,
Speaker 3: we spent one hundred and fifty thousand in Japan for
Speaker 3: you here, and we spent such and such, and I
Speaker 3: didn't have access to Japan back then, so I would
Speaker 3: just take their word. Do you think they was lying
Speaker 3: to us? But you could always audit them though.
Speaker 4: Certain labels though too, And I can say it now
Speaker 4: that death Sham or whatever. They whole thing is to
Speaker 4: come under budget. So as long as I don't spend
Speaker 4: that money on you and I could pocket it, it's cool.
Speaker 4: Labels just did that period. They were some labels they
Speaker 4: do what would put money behind you, and not saying
Speaker 4: they didn't, but they go off for you having a
Speaker 4: hit record and then that shit exploded, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But the but, but the thing is to
Speaker 4: come under budget and for niggas to pocket money.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, you recorded albums under the budget.
Speaker 2: You mean he's saying that deaf Jam as a whole.
Speaker 2: The budget goal is the.
Speaker 1: Nuts that could be recording, that could be marketing. I
Speaker 1: get money from from from from what was it called
Speaker 1: reforcastcop no recoop.
Speaker 2: I never did that recoup or not refork. I never
Speaker 2: took I never took extra money from them.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm I think that that the respect I
Speaker 4: gain respecting I get from from Leon and from because
Speaker 4: I was one of the only clients who never asked
Speaker 4: for extra money.
Speaker 2: I used what they gave me.
Speaker 3: But what I did my thing was I bought my
Speaker 3: own studio. When I bought my own stood love early yeah,
Speaker 3: and I named something thirty second in Madison, US in
Speaker 3: Manhattan to yes, Wow, totally different.
Speaker 2: I think it's something totally different. And I it didn't
Speaker 2: seem like a man.
Speaker 3: It was called the hood laugh but uh, but it
Speaker 3: was a thirty second in Madison. And I would charge
Speaker 3: Depth Jam, Tommy boy, everybody who is doing business, but
Speaker 3: I charge him.
Speaker 2: On a different entity. And they never knew that I
Speaker 2: actually owned the students dope.
Speaker 3: And then then like other other clients started to catch on,
Speaker 3: like men League, you know, other people.
Speaker 2: It was like wait a minute. So I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: what is quads charging you?
Speaker 1: What is sound on?
Speaker 3: Sound charge you with his daddy's house charging? They charge
Speaker 3: you this. I'll charge you this and I'll give you
Speaker 3: back half.
Speaker 1: So I just I had a whole.
Speaker 4: But that's the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had old had kick. Yeah, that's what was
Speaker 2: going on in the labels, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Mean we got.
Speaker 1: What we did.
Speaker 4: Everybody made money that way. Everybody. You you the money is,
Speaker 4: don't forget it's coming from somebody else anyway. But I
Speaker 4: can get this for you, you know. Just I need
Speaker 4: this to get half of this back. That's what he
Speaker 4: was doing. Everybody was making money, is what happened. Put
Speaker 4: a hole on blast. But everybody did that, everybody and
Speaker 4: they still do it now. Everybody this is doing this.
Speaker 4: And the radio game was even crazier. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: it was disrespectful.
Speaker 3: It was dispectful back then.
Speaker 2: Charging on that got damn money.
Speaker 4: I was. I gave somebody thirty five thousand dollars. My
Speaker 4: ship came on a three A game in the morning. Yo,
Speaker 4: you got some spinds wet nigga, that buddy hurting none.
Speaker 4: I wasn't ready, but that's the game.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, is to be all these like
Speaker 3: uh stories about hip hop, like what is it though?
Speaker 1: On Fox?
Speaker 3: Oh, Empire and all this seventy one sixty Varrak yeah,
Speaker 3: definit jam.
Speaker 2: That office was single handedly saved my life.
Speaker 4: Grand Grand Grand Green Studio, you know the cor service
Speaker 4: Grand Yes and X y Z when you spent on
Speaker 4: two months, I know.
Speaker 3: But let me just tell you something. I used to
Speaker 3: go there because the rush management was there. And this
Speaker 3: is how I got introduced to Chris Lightdy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you was was on the I was on Vio.
Speaker 1: He was there, and I wasn't on Death Jamber at
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 2: I was on Penalty. But I used to go to
Speaker 2: that office.
Speaker 3: I can get a haircut there, I could roll dice there,
Speaker 3: and I could buy weed there.
Speaker 2: I stopped hanging in.
Speaker 3: At Barrack, Yes, at Varick. I used to see Redman there.
Speaker 3: I used to see rush management there. To me, that
Speaker 3: is the quick essential hip hop story that should be told.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 2: What about all the sex that was going on a
Speaker 2: minute out of control?
Speaker 3: Come on, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Because you're not mentioning that. Oh yeah you can't because
Speaker 4: you you know you you really beloved right now.
Speaker 6: But but.
Speaker 4: But but at the end of the day with the Staines, Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was bad.
Speaker 4: But again, the story could be told on that block,
Speaker 4: but it could be told on Elizabeth Avenue. He was
Speaker 4: before you wasn't here. You probably was like, yeah, Elizabeth
Speaker 4: is where us started. At Elizabeth Elizabeth Street. Okay, any
Speaker 4: time you would go outside, you would see one d
Speaker 4: M c rock him e PM. You would see all
Speaker 4: of us outside ran everywhere. This is chilling.
Speaker 2: But Barrick was a whole dynamic of interns.
Speaker 4: Why you act like you shocked niggas?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know. To me, this was like he's saying.
Speaker 1: This was like, you don't want to stay.
Speaker 4: I got the same one when you got there that
Speaker 4: was this was like great evinure.
Speaker 3: To me, I was like, wait a minute, I could
Speaker 3: get my.
Speaker 1: Hair cut, roll dice and buy weed at the same
Speaker 1: place as the hood. Fuck the hood.
Speaker 2: And and and it's safe, it's safe.
Speaker 4: I think that part. I think it's rough riders. There's
Speaker 4: there's there's murder Ink and then Randfather, and there's the
Speaker 4: Depth Squad, and there's and at that time that ship
Speaker 4: was on fire on so so you came. When did
Speaker 4: you get signed there?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Well, remember Chris Lidy picked me up nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 3: or ninety seven seven because because he he got me
Speaker 3: into the n R album, which was.
Speaker 2: My ninety nine.
Speaker 4: Hey, let's go for the real quick. This is I
Speaker 4: gotta tell you this, this is really you won't do
Speaker 4: this at all. Death Sham has me, the Death Squad
Speaker 4: and Oriega Right now, t R L was was big, right,
Speaker 4: m t V, m TV and Peter Gun's Lord, we
Speaker 4: got that ship out uptown right, so it's uptown Anthem,
Speaker 4: you know, it's what what uptown Anthem and sugar and
Speaker 4: it raps the light?
Speaker 2: Right, So we're in the meeting, so I don't care
Speaker 2: about that too.
Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, so yeah, we gotta make sure we
Speaker 4: have a little dilemma the Death Squad and Oreegle record
Speaker 4: and what what record? And and and we gotta see
Speaker 4: which one that we're gonna put to number one?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: But I'm sitting there, you know, so they're talking talking
Speaker 4: there too. I'm like, okay, tell you what, we're gonna
Speaker 4: make NOIB number one. And then on the next couple
Speaker 4: of weeks when he comes starts coming down, we'll put
Speaker 4: y'all up there whatever that we never got a chance
Speaker 4: the direct it came down so nor we stayed up
Speaker 4: then at number one. And then when when he when
Speaker 4: he came down to number two, did they put Peter
Speaker 4: Gunns and the Lord Trek on it?
Speaker 2: So I never got a chance to be number one spot.
Speaker 1: Owe you lunch.
Speaker 2: Wait, this is c r L making those decisions. No
Speaker 2: depth share.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll tell you what though, I ended up having
Speaker 4: a number one album in the country though, that's right,
Speaker 4: the album number one.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you something.
Speaker 4: I don't think you remember that day though, sitting outside
Speaker 4: to at that whatever that outside. I think it was
Speaker 4: one of the spring breaks and we was all out
Speaker 4: there like doing the show. But I knew in my
Speaker 4: head like, yo, damn, okay, well in two weeks he's
Speaker 4: coming down. Now'm gonna get the spot. But it never happened.
Speaker 3: God damn, it.
Speaker 2: Makes no noise to me.
Speaker 3: Once again, I'm gonna be honest with you. Like that
Speaker 3: run that we keep talking about you dots effects red Man,
Speaker 3: red Man, Like how did that feel? Because I believe
Speaker 3: cash money no limit, even bad Boy rough Riders rocket
Speaker 3: for the kind of like based their murdering kind of
Speaker 3: base theate thing off of that.
Speaker 1: I think his squad was a big like example for
Speaker 1: a lot of crews.
Speaker 4: And we'll definitely put the Wu Tang clan because cause
Speaker 4: they show it in like in.
Speaker 1: The series, not just everybody's like like, I was influenced
Speaker 1: by even more.
Speaker 3: And I asked people this all the time while you
Speaker 3: was making history, did you know you.
Speaker 2: Was making history?
Speaker 4: Nah? I just knew that. The other question you asked,
Speaker 4: did we know that it was ill like when it
Speaker 4: was going on, I'm like, hell, yeah.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 4: Like yo, we did look at this because we all
Speaker 4: because again to be on the billboard charts at the
Speaker 4: same time you go to do something, you see through
Speaker 4: your groups.
Speaker 1: Did anybody else influence that type of structure? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I see, I see had Ryan syndicate. That
Speaker 1: was the closest thing.
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, But what we did was yeah, not say yeah,
Speaker 4: we didn't you.
Speaker 2: Know, like anybody else in No.
Speaker 4: And then EPMD had three consecutive number one albums in
Speaker 4: a row. You know, That's what I said before. My
Speaker 4: colleagues can talk about what they did, though, but consistency.
Speaker 4: Don't forget we broke up. So imagine that five years,
Speaker 4: gred Man, imagine from nineteen ninety two to ninety seven,
Speaker 4: that we had them five years.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think the breakup fucked up
Speaker 1: a lot of business?
Speaker 2: That the his squad and the crews come in.
Speaker 4: You gotta understand niggas can say that they was they
Speaker 4: were going to come in all types of ship. But
Speaker 4: now when when his squad was there, that you had
Speaker 4: to be very careful about what you was making and
Speaker 4: what you're going to be able to make to come
Speaker 4: in there because we was not going to.
Speaker 3: Stop m.
Speaker 2: And I don't know who I would have signed then.
Speaker 2: My ear was I had I was.
Speaker 4: I don't know who I could have had because because
Speaker 4: I was looking at we was looking to keep building.
Speaker 4: You know, it could have been it could have been somebody,
Speaker 4: but we don't know who it could have been. I
Speaker 4: was trying to because at that time I could have been.
Speaker 4: We was making I was making music every fucking day,
Speaker 4: so so the production was going to be there.
Speaker 2: I had it, so I don't know who I was
Speaker 2: going to be able to put down.
Speaker 1: And it was a highly respected crew. Highly respected.
Speaker 2: Again, like I told, there was nobody it's only a
Speaker 2: few of us.
Speaker 4: Nobody was around it for any competition that I saw
Speaker 4: that was going to make me because now I've done
Speaker 4: some past my clients, I mean my my colleagues. Because
Speaker 4: then because we're consistent and now we number one and
Speaker 4: that and then that Crossover came out. You know, that
Speaker 4: was our biggest record. You know, then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden we got some niggas over here, the Dots effects
Speaker 4: kids and then the Red Man come.
Speaker 2: He was like it was it was bad. It was
Speaker 2: bad in a good way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a good way. Okay, we are we done
Speaker 4: now because we gotta take you gotta take a ship.
Speaker 2: We gotta take more. I got no no, let me,
Speaker 2: we got some going. Let's let's talk about Stay Real
Speaker 2: the record.
Speaker 6: But what.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see what you guys, where are you
Speaker 2: going with that talking about the record Stay Real?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 6: What? What?
Speaker 2: How did you make that record?
Speaker 3: The want to motivation behind that Stay realm.
Speaker 4: It was a continue racing the course over That's what
Speaker 4: the lyrics showing you that mother everybody who wasn't keeping
Speaker 4: a will, that was because you know, a getting people
Speaker 4: was hip hop was changing. And my version because again
Speaker 4: you had the license coming people with whatever, people start
Speaker 4: wearing suit's getting sexy, the whole nine whatever it's and that.
Speaker 4: So I just felt like, you know, I got to
Speaker 4: say something because it was like it was getting ready
Speaker 4: to change, you know. But it really was a continuation
Speaker 4: of that right there period, and I did. I was
Speaker 4: in Georgia then, so I was calling myself, I was
Speaker 4: in Georgian.
Speaker 2: And I was, I tell you what, this is.
Speaker 4: The illly shit Redman kind of kind of woke me
Speaker 4: up in Georgia because I had got to a point
Speaker 4: where I got so comfortable, I started getting real happy
Speaker 4: and I was playing them some happy ship and I
Speaker 4: was I was going left because because I was, I
Speaker 4: was with left eye. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: it was day left eye. I lived with her, don't begause,
Speaker 4: I'm broke. So I had to find some something place
Speaker 4: to sleep. I slept. I stayed in her. She had
Speaker 4: a hotel. Hey, but y'all was dating right right, Okay,
Speaker 4: she had when I moved to Georgia. That's how I
Speaker 4: met Illegal. Illegal was signed to her. So now I'm
Speaker 4: uncle Eric. So I go to the place she lives
Speaker 4: in the in the in the like a hotel type
Speaker 4: of sweet.
Speaker 1: Wait, didn't you think the youngsters when we said illegal
Speaker 1: the youngsters.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the youngsters to mom was death squad.
Speaker 4: So so what where I'm at with that? You?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was getting solved.
Speaker 2: My whole ship was different because the LESSI.
Speaker 4: If you, if you go back to my first album,
Speaker 4: I had a song called every now and then I
Speaker 4: get crazy is it in the chorus?
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear my sound like that, even sounds like TLC.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the line. But but I was doing this
Speaker 4: not knowing. And then I had one of my other
Speaker 4: rhymes on the song. I was like, I got my
Speaker 4: hat to the back, but my pants down below whatever
Speaker 4: I was, I didn't know I was doing this. I
Speaker 4: was just like a getting getting soft.
Speaker 2: You put condom like this?
Speaker 3: No, So Ressie was like, yot, she must have had
Speaker 3: that thing.
Speaker 2: So Ressie was like Recidia. So Reggie was like, had
Speaker 2: you turns?
Speaker 4: Nobody knew it? To A two show with on Hot
Speaker 4: ninety seven says oh yeah, that's the time when every
Speaker 4: someone was left out, like niggas already know the story
Speaker 4: because two shorts and said it out loud already but
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I was not I
Speaker 4: didn't have Hitt Switches. I didn't have Stayed Real, didn't
Speaker 4: have none of that ship. All my ship was kind
Speaker 4: of pretty Reggie real Low not wanting to be assertive
Speaker 4: to me, like yo, He's like, yo, you know those
Speaker 4: are cool though, man, but you know that type of ship,
Speaker 4: you know it's cool. I would never thought that he
Speaker 4: would say that to me. You know, I'm producing you and.
Speaker 2: That's dope. That's a good friend.
Speaker 4: And next thing, you know, hitting switches that's in my notes,
Speaker 4: by the way, and then Stay Real then Hostile I was.
Speaker 4: I got back hitting switches in my notes.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 4: But if he didn't do that, I would have had
Speaker 4: a soft album on my debut I would have had
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have hitt Switches. I wouldn't have had Stay,
Speaker 4: I would have had Hostile because my mind was someplace
Speaker 4: I was. I was making the kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was man U was t l seed, which
Speaker 2: is good. It looks good kind. He was living and
Speaker 2: left out. I don't think I've ever met left eye.
Speaker 4: This was mad cool.
Speaker 2: She seemed like she was mad cool, crazy, crazy cool.
Speaker 4: All of them is cool to see how they all
Speaker 4: was mad cool, like, don't forget I'm new to the city,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I said, for I got a thousand
Speaker 4: dollars in the credit and the America Spress card trying
Speaker 4: to get through.
Speaker 2: See how'm making you know what I'm saying. Where were
Speaker 2: they in their career when you mets, Oh, they were
Speaker 2: already huge waterfalls.
Speaker 4: And look this is this isus.
Speaker 2: I'm go chasing the waterfalls.
Speaker 4: This is nineteen ninety three. Oh yeah it is they
Speaker 4: are you mongous? And again at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: everybody was going through what they was going through, So
Speaker 4: I just happened to be again illegal was her.
Speaker 3: Wow, we talked about El scar Face record. We talked
Speaker 3: about that already, right or did we not? Ll scar
Speaker 3: Face record?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do ray me?
Speaker 4: Oh, doray me. Yeah that was what does that mean?
Speaker 4: That's the chorus? That was the old school do Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what he was. That's opera ship.
Speaker 3: I don't know that means?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that in school?
Speaker 2: Come on, bro.
Speaker 4: Oh he knows it in Spanish. No, you're right, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what that was. That was cool saying that that
Speaker 4: was something that anybody.
Speaker 3: Know but you yeah, I mean I don't know. I
Speaker 3: ain't going to that school. I was in a special school,
Speaker 3: the Yellow Bus, And I don't mind.
Speaker 2: I don't know you an artist?
Speaker 4: You never heard Doray met Yeah, that's what he was doing.
Speaker 4: He was like making dog get this bread. It's the infrared. Hey,
Speaker 4: he was just doing it as a routine, trying to
Speaker 4: trying to make something up, was being being slick with
Speaker 4: the word play.
Speaker 1: So that was that's fire.
Speaker 4: Street you made. You bring that up because I love it?
Speaker 4: So oh, I got a chance to go work with
Speaker 4: NAS again.
Speaker 1: So I go to L. E.
Speaker 2: S Studio, I bring the Street Hot there to play
Speaker 2: for Virginia No the one I see that.
Speaker 4: That was here in New York and Long Island, Okay,
Speaker 4: okay whatever. I played that song for m because I
Speaker 4: wanted him to hear it. He didn't give a funk
Speaker 4: about what I was saying. He's like, can I get
Speaker 4: that record or naves?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: And I didn't give it to him.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: You've been front of the NAS your whole career.
Speaker 4: You just bring back memories of that because I played
Speaker 4: it for him, and you did. And all I do
Speaker 4: is give to because I ain't really need it, and
Speaker 4: my shit didn't go away anyway, but he came.
Speaker 3: Came back into the ap M D album.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know what, that's right. So he came
Speaker 4: back and got me anyway.
Speaker 2: I feel like we should make no noise of that.
Speaker 3: But you run on nas twice.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 4: I ain't really fun him. I just the fact that
Speaker 4: he might maybe he was serious, maybe he wasn't. But
Speaker 4: I played the record for him because I had to
Speaker 4: sample him, and he's like, what's up with that?
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you.
Speaker 3: I think you already answered this, but maybe this one
Speaker 3: that we didn't speak about. I remember I did a
Speaker 3: KANDU which is and come up to me and said,
Speaker 3: I got this girl that wanted to do the West
Speaker 3: Indian version of it. All right, cool whatever, whatever, and
Speaker 3: it was there was it was gonna say Barbados, you know,
Speaker 3: like Turan k Goos, like ship like that, you know,
Speaker 3: trinidadad Jamaica.
Speaker 2: Right, it was Rihanna. What she wasn't even at the time.
Speaker 4: I know that, I know, I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 4: so so I was like, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, she just wants fifteen grand and
Speaker 3: I was just like at the time I had what
Speaker 3: she Wants?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was she famous?
Speaker 1: She had the song part of the Yeah, okay, that
Speaker 1: song replay.
Speaker 9: That said part of the river, Yeah, yeah on the river.
Speaker 9: You know, no, I said part of the river Regga
Speaker 9: joins me. So biggest mistake of my career.
Speaker 3: So you got one of those. That's the biggest. That's
Speaker 3: one of my biggest stakes. You named some, But is
Speaker 3: there one that you didn't name to night that you think.
Speaker 4: It's like, No, this is the biggest.
Speaker 2: Nahs is the biggest.
Speaker 4: Okay, to this day, I still again, I can't believe
Speaker 4: that that EPMD record happened, you know, because but again
Speaker 4: me not working and doing any produced records on him.
Speaker 4: That's one thing I wish I had inside my road,
Speaker 4: inside my catalogue is him is Yeah, It's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I ain't the only one that said it though, but
Speaker 4: mad people say about him.
Speaker 1: Like meaning meaning like they presented him.
Speaker 4: No just to work with him, you know, I have
Speaker 4: to be able to say but I work with but
Speaker 4: we just say I have a record.
Speaker 2: That I made for him, right, well, let's speak it
Speaker 2: into existence now.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah on my album, I don't think Wow he
Speaker 4: made all the albums he made.
Speaker 2: Nah, he's still got so much music. I feel.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think he coming up. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's coming up for a while. And he
Speaker 4: did four or five back to back.
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's gonna go even further.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 2: You can be honest. I think I think you know
Speaker 2: what I think.
Speaker 1: So, I think he's enjoying he's he's on a streak too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he's enjoying that independency and he's enjoying what
Speaker 3: me and you spoke about earlier.
Speaker 2: We spoke about earlier. Excuse me with Fad Joe, he.
Speaker 4: Said that, he said, he said, I'm making records because
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 3: He want to. Yeah, yeah, you don't know. I think
Speaker 3: that was giving Nas that freedom right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that he's doing a thing because again,
Speaker 4: Nas got so much dope ship for you know, the
Speaker 4: money that he making, the dimensions that he makes. I
Speaker 4: don't know he wanted to be.
Speaker 1: He got a casino in Queens.
Speaker 2: He about to bill God damn it. He's not such
Speaker 2: a great exactly. But I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: With Fad Joe said to me yesterday, made sense to
Speaker 3: what NAS has been doing, doing something because you want
Speaker 3: to do Because we gotta remember a part of us,
Speaker 3: all of us real artists, probably would have still rapped
Speaker 3: if we didn't make money, like we probably would have
Speaker 3: still like did it as a hobby.
Speaker 1: Maybe it wouldn't have been you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But my first like you just said, you had signed
Speaker 3: for seven hundred and fifty dollars, I got signed five thousand.
Speaker 3: But we basically was doing it for the love then, right.
Speaker 3: We didn't make money then, and then we made it
Speaker 3: into a business. So uh, I love.
Speaker 1: Yah, I love it. I really shure me. I love
Speaker 1: so bat.
Speaker 4: I'm hot, No, I'm hot as this again. Having the
Speaker 4: Marvin Gaye try to you know what's bugged out? People said,
Speaker 4: I tried to strike lightning twice. I just happened to
Speaker 4: have the record on there. Of course the label let's
Speaker 4: go with that One's what I'm hot. Oh. I did
Speaker 4: the Marvin Gary Body, but since I fucked around and
Speaker 4: had another one, it worked.
Speaker 2: It didn't work work, but again it did what need
Speaker 2: to do. It didn't need to do.
Speaker 4: But that's I'm walking around with the samples making records,
Speaker 4: don't know that I want to actually use it, right,
Speaker 4: And I just had the acapellas. If it's fun to
Speaker 4: fuck with to be chopping them, you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's a that's a question for me. Is we
Speaker 3: talked about you getting you're publishing right, but you also
Speaker 3: sample a lot of times when you sample, people want
Speaker 3: one hundred percent that published.
Speaker 4: Did they take it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: How many times have you sampled and they asked for
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of that?
Speaker 4: Publisher who asks epm D got real blessed back then
Speaker 4: because we got we didn't clear Roger, we didn't clear
Speaker 4: every early and before sampling. But yeah, but they still
Speaker 4: came at us. But just like for ten thousand dollars
Speaker 4: the small ship, you know what I'm saying. But the
Speaker 4: people that take the one hundred percent, you have to
Speaker 4: really want it. Like the RESU bought dogs to me right,
Speaker 4: Well that was one hundred.
Speaker 2: Percent by.
Speaker 4: By Isaac Hayes.
Speaker 3: Wow wow.
Speaker 4: But Jay liked it. He wanted so bad he said,
Speaker 4: go ahead and take it, you know, because sometimes people
Speaker 4: take that one hundred funds out how bad you want
Speaker 4: that record, you know, hmhmm, But they'll take it.
Speaker 2: But again like like, like, that's what me.
Speaker 4: You know that we offered to Tupaca estate, go ahead
Speaker 4: and take it because because.
Speaker 3: The hype are it lasts longer for me, the importance
Speaker 3: of the record for you. Yeah, but you said you
Speaker 3: had Tupac am Biggie, is that fear the biggiest of state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, bigg state cleared, Okay, same as the mob
Speaker 4: deepest state clear. The the Sean price is state clear,
Speaker 4: their dog estate clear. Like you said before, niggas they
Speaker 4: clear and ship.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But then sometimes you know you got that ship like
Speaker 4: like because.
Speaker 2: You motherfucker Eric Sherman, that's what you got.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I told you I'm being cocky for you.
Speaker 4: But but but the two Pockets, it does. You heard
Speaker 4: stories about it taking long. But again, at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, I tell you can have it. I
Speaker 4: just want the nostalgia the record, right, But I'll play
Speaker 4: it for y'all again. You everybody who hears the record,
Speaker 4: they always their faces.
Speaker 2: I love to watch them because they be like, nah.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. There's no way you can play for
Speaker 1: when we're done right here, No way you can play
Speaker 1: it today when we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been to Ballet to see Russell the bally.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, he told you to come down to
Speaker 4: health right the whole Now you're gonna love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never went Yeah, of course for you too.
Speaker 4: He said you got a.
Speaker 1: Snoop dogg Sweet sat Snoop Dog Sweet.
Speaker 2: Right in the hotel tax Haven over there. Yeah he
Speaker 2: just he went. Russell went and just did this thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so this is one time. No, we said
Speaker 4: this is your last one time, like this is just
Speaker 4: go now.
Speaker 1: You take a picture.
Speaker 3: Signed to Depth jam right, we signed as.
Speaker 2: Component Orega.
Speaker 3: Yes, but then they was like, yo, we're not gonna
Speaker 3: sign a Norri solo and a Compone solo, so you.
Speaker 2: Gotta make a pick right now.
Speaker 3: I felt like I already got mynt off Components just
Speaker 3: coming home from from jail.
Speaker 2: So I said, you know what, I let Compone.
Speaker 4: Whining before you.
Speaker 3: Uh, this is after this is this.
Speaker 2: Is when we signed to Death jam I.
Speaker 3: So they had a choice to sign Component Oriega and
Speaker 3: one solo. So they signed Compona Oreega and I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, Coone was just coming home from jail,
Speaker 3: I said, sign Components solo. They did, and then I
Speaker 3: remember me going in because Copone was working on his
Speaker 3: solo before he worked on a Copon on Noriega. And
Speaker 3: I remember me just going in spending my own money.
Speaker 3: Dev Jam would not pay for me to go in
Speaker 3: and record my solo. While I'm waiting for Copone to
Speaker 3: finish his solo, Kevin lows come seize me, and he
Speaker 3: says to me, man and y'all never told you the story.
Speaker 3: I should have told you the story years ago. And
Speaker 3: he goes, you're Eric Sherman right now, and I say, tuned,
Speaker 3: what do you mean?
Speaker 1: He said, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: You feel like Kevin tell you. Kevin llowed to tell
Speaker 3: you this. You know what you said earlier, no capping.
Speaker 3: He's like, Yo, you feel like you you hold than
Speaker 3: the burden of the group. You're holding it down and
Speaker 3: you feel like you're not being compensated the same way
Speaker 3: you will be.
Speaker 2: It's gonna come or of pause.
Speaker 3: And I remember me saying I didn't know what he
Speaker 3: meant by that, and years later I did and don't
Speaker 3: what he meant by that was making a group album
Speaker 3: for me at that time was harder than making a
Speaker 3: solo album for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a.
Speaker 1: Group album I had to collap.
Speaker 3: I had to actually, but then after I made that
Speaker 3: solo album, it was just like, yo, it's so much easier.
Speaker 3: It's way easier. And I remember him telling me that
Speaker 3: I remember me knowing you, but remember me not like saying, damn,
Speaker 3: what does he mean by that? And years later I
Speaker 3: got to know what he meant by that. And sometimes
Speaker 3: you hold the verdict of being.
Speaker 1: That guy.
Speaker 2: Not feeling like it and then applying it.
Speaker 3: And to this day, I always say that my relationship
Speaker 3: with EFN is so much better because of my relationship
Speaker 3: with Compone.
Speaker 2: My relationship with Compone.
Speaker 3: Makes me say I don't ever want to push EFN
Speaker 3: to anything that he doesn't want to do, because I
Speaker 3: did that with Compone and it pushed him away for
Speaker 3: a while, Like I want a compone to be on time.
Speaker 2: My motherfucker's still ain't on time.
Speaker 3: Bro here, yo, who.
Speaker 2: Still ain't on top? But when I pushed him to.
Speaker 1: Be like me, that was not the move, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: That's not that was not the move. I should have
Speaker 3: let him be here how he is. And that's the
Speaker 3: reason why I feel like me and f En relationship
Speaker 3: works judgement. He doesn't give a fuck about and we're
Speaker 3: both on time. We kind of try to beat each
Speaker 3: other and see who's on time.
Speaker 4: But so I'm not such time. I'm saying this because
Speaker 4: nobody always nobody knew that, nobody really knew the dynamics
Speaker 4: and will you what really happened between y'all two? Yeah,
Speaker 4: my brother said this. I'm not saying that. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying the fact that even though you went solo, like
Speaker 4: the album didn't come. See, he wasn't like my dynamic
Speaker 4: ship was different. Why did y'all stop.
Speaker 1: Making always thought my dynamic was compared to yours.
Speaker 2: I never knew that they.
Speaker 3: Had a more good had a breakupe.
Speaker 1: He went to jail, so I would have never been
Speaker 1: a solo arm if he didn't go to jail.
Speaker 2: Got you, I got you, I got you like I met.
Speaker 1: No aready doing the promo tour for CNN. That's how
Speaker 1: me and him met. He was the only he was
Speaker 1: doing the run by himself.
Speaker 3: But in my mind, we didn't have the internet back then,
Speaker 3: so we didn't know that you were in parish. If
Speaker 3: that was the case, was I thought I was based
Speaker 3: in my career of for you okay, like you went
Speaker 3: solo that based off a Cube damn you know because.
Speaker 4: Corre, Yeah, these are we're in major groups.
Speaker 1: But that's crazy comparison to what happened there.
Speaker 4: But still he still went solo. Yeah, but it was
Speaker 4: it was crazy. It doesn't matter you still leaving the
Speaker 4: major group.
Speaker 1: But you felt the same like energy that that you saw.
Speaker 1: We all SAWQ go through with no vassaline.
Speaker 4: No, just the fact that you the part of leaving
Speaker 4: the major group, being in the major group and then
Speaker 4: going your own separate ways.
Speaker 1: And then how to create your own identity, creating that.
Speaker 4: And then and then seeing if it's gonna if people
Speaker 4: are gonna accept it as that Cuba tell your old
Speaker 4: time too with so and so about not knowing you
Speaker 4: skart of depth, you know whatever, you know, how people
Speaker 4: are you tell you that you know yo, yo, you
Speaker 4: better with the group.
Speaker 1: I mean if you if you look at it. It
Speaker 1: was crazy for Cube to leave n W at its height.
Speaker 1: They come from such a hit and that's when he
Speaker 1: left the hours with the break and people didn't.
Speaker 4: It still was people still like there's no way epm
Speaker 4: d Brook and you know how big that that was
Speaker 4: huge for people, you know, But again things happened, but
Speaker 4: you don't know it's gonna work for you.
Speaker 1: Wow, but you but you were the primary producer in
Speaker 1: e PM.
Speaker 4: You know, in the beginning it was Paris did the
Speaker 4: first album. People don't know really because people, you know,
Speaker 4: they always might think that it's me because he stopped working.
Speaker 4: But again, don't forget he knew about this stuff before
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: Is the older than you.
Speaker 4: But yeah, by the year or so. But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, you know, I just learned how
Speaker 4: to do it by the second album.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you did.
Speaker 4: You know. So when when someone so when it's what
Speaker 4: you're saying came, you know, it was it was you know,
Speaker 4: that was the beginning of where I was starting at.
Speaker 2: You know, shout out to both of y'all.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: So, so let me ask you, right, like I love
Speaker 2: to ask artist this question. What's on your rider?
Speaker 4: I don't get it. I don't when you when you're the.
Speaker 3: Show, no trow like if somebody is a book you
Speaker 3: to the show.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, damn. I I didn't even do all that.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even in it. Like that. Whatever food that
Speaker 4: came with you had chicken, salmon, rice vegetables. But people
Speaker 4: had rolling paper, fucking alcohol whatever. I don't and I
Speaker 4: didn't care. I never cared. Yeah, I ain't, that's it.
Speaker 4: I never looked at no, right, I never did that.
Speaker 3: I know you ain't asked for missus Chiles as ship,
Speaker 3: little Roy Rogers nothing and ms.
Speaker 4: The Blue Ones. That's my I'm not making fun of people.
Speaker 4: They just take all the others. Just ket the Blue
Speaker 4: Ones in there.
Speaker 2: I that was ever real.
Speaker 4: It's real, yeah, people, that's deepest ship people. See if
Speaker 4: people would do it though, yeah, they would do it.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, do you think they said it just
Speaker 4: to see if it would get done? No, that's what
Speaker 4: they want.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Who didn't live opus.
Speaker 1: Madonna?
Speaker 4: I want the water that's from from BALI get it
Speaker 4: shipped over here.
Speaker 2: How would she know it's from Bali?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 3: I would I would have gotten water put Polly on that.
Speaker 2: No, she knew because they got it in that dressing room.
Speaker 3: Have you ever met somebody that that you were disappointed
Speaker 3: after meeting him and he was like, fuck, Scott was
Speaker 3: an asshole?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 6: Who was that?
Speaker 3: Mister Lee?
Speaker 4: I don't know, not off the off the bat, but
Speaker 4: it happened though I can't. I can't remember, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I just wanted somebody, holy ship. I wish I could
Speaker 4: even name, right, I.
Speaker 3: Wish you could name the name too, think about it, Gota,
Speaker 3: no tell me, Denzel Washington.
Speaker 4: Somebody gave me the side, you know when you could
Speaker 4: decide like that, Yeah, one of those.
Speaker 2: Who's that? Somebody? I don't remember.
Speaker 3: We don't got to talk about it, right, Well.
Speaker 2: We did it. We did it, Eric, sir.
Speaker 4: So that's your whole your phone, it's my phone, it's
Speaker 4: my phone. No, there's fucking questions, man, that's the phones,
Speaker 4: the phones and ship. You answered, you can ask about
Speaker 4: the fucking doory me. And then here's which is you
Speaker 4: went off the whole script with.
Speaker 2: Some other ship.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a special education student. I went to
Speaker 3: the resource room in case you didn't know. Listen, man,
Speaker 3: you got notes. Man, it works out, it works out,
Speaker 3: it works out. Okay, you asked every one of my questions,
Speaker 3: all step ups, bomb Diggy.
Speaker 4: What's up with the records though?
Speaker 6: What you just.
Speaker 4: Pick out my records? The bomb Diggy. We never talked
Speaker 4: about bomb Diggy. Wasn't it wasn't it wasn't. All the
Speaker 4: ways done by me that's when I had tie Fife
Speaker 4: with me. We'll do so right, So Queen's niggas so hey,
Speaker 4: the chopping queen, the boom the boom to see that
Speaker 4: wasn't I ain't had that technique yet, but time Fife did,
Speaker 4: it sounded.
Speaker 2: Like me because the defunk part of it.
Speaker 1: So I added some.
Speaker 4: Stuff in there too, But that's mostly tie Fife at
Speaker 4: the time. It's ninety five tip fight. Matter of fact,
Speaker 4: on that second album, was doing like maybe three or
Speaker 4: four records on that because he was my new producer.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He was He had a dope style, you know. So,
Speaker 4: But that's about about that story about on that on
Speaker 4: that record. But I think that I think that again,
Speaker 4: that was a record that too, that LA took off with.
Speaker 4: You know, New York didn't really fuck with it too
Speaker 4: tough then you people loved the second album, that second
Speaker 4: albu of Day, but that single didn't go It didn't
Speaker 4: do nothing except for California.
Speaker 1: Didn't you.
Speaker 3: That's with Derek Angeletti for a while. Wasn't he under
Speaker 3: your prot No? No, no, yeah.
Speaker 4: Only the only ones I can't was fighting rock Waller
Speaker 4: and I can't rock wall with we Gotta get and
Speaker 4: died don't want to come through. Yes, rock Wall is
Speaker 4: one person though to that people again doesn't know, like
Speaker 4: again you know already did the Big Pun, the jay Z,
Speaker 4: the Di the Christian Aguilera's his child, the fucking you know,
Speaker 4: he got his own.
Speaker 2: Record called the rock Waller.
Speaker 4: Whether than people look at them, Jennet Jackson, this nigga
Speaker 4: is fucking one of those, you know, and people don't
Speaker 4: look at it and look at him at all, you know,
Speaker 4: as far as to really as one of those people
Speaker 4: you know, dangerous because I ain't know he did the
Speaker 4: Big Pun record Blue. I had no idea he did
Speaker 4: that song, which one the dude one of the uh man,
Speaker 4: that's rock Wall though, mister Lee, you're not helping at all, bro,
Speaker 4: you're on that record.
Speaker 1: He came up, what.
Speaker 4: Rock Wall did that? Yes, you don't even know this?
Speaker 1: No, no, I was also high mister head of the Sounds.
Speaker 1: Can you google that please?
Speaker 2: You got it?
Speaker 4: Come on, man, this is my camp nigga. Holy shit,
Speaker 4: this is crazy. Two records, no reason to know nothing
Speaker 4: about it. He waved and this he's on both cool
Speaker 4: about none of them. I credit that having a dope life.
Speaker 4: But yo, every sermon, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Last time I saw you, we were on the private
Speaker 3: right Jack, and then the next day I went to
Speaker 3: Nice and I went to Paris. I'm seeing you today
Speaker 3: and tomorrow I am going to Paris.
Speaker 1: Stop lying your good luck.
Speaker 4: Like you travel a lot, nigga. You don't want me
Speaker 4: to drive, but I'm saying the fact that you was
Speaker 4: like you really really be out there enjoying life for real,
Speaker 4: because tomorrow is not promised. I like to.
Speaker 3: See you.
Speaker 2: Niggas.
Speaker 4: You got money and it's not and and and the
Speaker 4: side poss niggas live out here and day County over
Speaker 4: there in Coral keep around. He's gonna be able to joy.
Speaker 4: I mean, how about you, real quick list, you got
Speaker 4: to be you got to be capful. I'm not gonna be.
Speaker 4: I can't be the protect them like that. You know
Speaker 4: you didn't drink bro Listen, My first Wednesday is not
Speaker 4: a coincidence because again, you know, this is my second
Speaker 4: day living in Miami, but you're living in Miami now.
Speaker 4: I just moved yesterday and I can see the water
Speaker 4: and ship. I'm just another I'm just Japan because I'm
Speaker 4: forced and listening, but listen, and my g wagons being
Speaker 4: being sent right now. Listen, but listen to some of
Speaker 4: this place. I'm trying to find out if this is
Speaker 4: me or not right because you because my man. Once
Speaker 4: this nigga left California, I'm like, damn, so La might
Speaker 4: not be the place, will.
Speaker 3: You stop it?
Speaker 4: And so in New York was making me comfortable, like
Speaker 4: you know how you get a comfortability and when you
Speaker 4: get too comfortable, you know, you got to be careful
Speaker 4: with that because you can fall into a comfort zone.
Speaker 4: So I was doing that, and you know, I've always
Speaker 4: been in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying, But I
Speaker 4: knew that that wasn't where I wanted to go now too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, freaking nigga is over.
Speaker 3: You gotta go leave.
Speaker 4: So so my colleagues are here, nor Fat Joe's Hallong
Speaker 4: d like the age group with Ross, make these all
Speaker 4: these people that I know.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, don't forget.
Speaker 3: D J E.
Speaker 1: F N.
Speaker 4: Young Bird, but he was with me right right.
Speaker 1: We got to unreleased ahead, right, so you gotta understand, great,
Speaker 1: young We're going to release that mother.
Speaker 4: With Ross left on my basement floor.
Speaker 2: Wow, like this is.
Speaker 4: This niggas ain't maybe all I know the fact that
Speaker 4: this is what I I want to see for myself,
Speaker 4: if this is where I, you know, supposed to be at.
Speaker 4: Because again, the motivation is what people need to keep,
Speaker 4: you know, just to keep it, keep it fresh.
Speaker 2: You know, I can make music anyway anywhere.
Speaker 4: But the motivation of people doing what I love to
Speaker 4: do makes you do what you love to do and
Speaker 4: at a higher level. So when you out here, dolo
Speaker 4: and you over there by yourself with it and nobody's
Speaker 4: doing that now it's just you. You're still making it.
Speaker 3: But it ain't.
Speaker 4: It ain't the same type of motivation. That's what Atlanta
Speaker 4: had gave me. That's what La had gave me. New
Speaker 4: York had gave me for a while.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, let me give it to you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but don't I'm the fuck out of here. Don't really matter.
Speaker 3: Get yourself a public sandwich, a public's public's not a
Speaker 3: public one, but a public.
Speaker 4: And then to the part of the part of the
Speaker 4: of the the the weather part, the part of this
Speaker 4: being like you know, you wake up at seven every
Speaker 4: day right now, be hurricanes. This nigga is this nigga
Speaker 4: right here much jogging five or ten miles. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you lyne that they picking the camera up like,
Speaker 4: He's like, no, you're picking the camera. You're like, okay,
Speaker 4: and now I'm at seven now, nigga the camera. I
Speaker 4: watched the edit.
Speaker 2: I watched the editor here on different sneakers.
Speaker 4: He had on some new bads and they switched to this.
Speaker 2: Only way.
Speaker 6: You're putting one run day a week's worth of running.
Speaker 4: You can skip, man, like you skip to number ten.
Speaker 4: But they're doing the movie. Okay, cut the movie. Oh
Speaker 4: ship that the ice melted?
Speaker 1: Well, well, listen, wet, this is your home now now
Speaker 1: we know you live here. Yes, please come sober drunk
Speaker 1: every time we love it. Man, you are the soberest
Speaker 1: drunk person. I feel I feel like we've been you
Speaker 1: drinking everything we drinking.
Speaker 4: I feel like every time, this right here is the
Speaker 4: dope ship. Though now people get this and this is
Speaker 4: dope and ship.
Speaker 2: But but but but can I can I give you
Speaker 2: a prosper two minutes? Please?
Speaker 3: You a legend. You're an icon in many ways. If
Speaker 3: you weren't here, I wouldn't be here the FM. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you even notice, he didn't go on eBay,
Speaker 3: that's the original. Like, but he has tennis balls from
Speaker 3: carras one, he got he got your he got your
Speaker 3: your tapes on.
Speaker 4: A tape, but the shirt I don't know how many
Speaker 4: times you wore were interviews with other people. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: it feels like that, like I saw him before, but
Speaker 4: he never act like like how I see you with
Speaker 4: the path and there and the stuff that you doing
Speaker 4: as far as like, damn, represent I like.
Speaker 3: That called the power for that. That's illegal ship. Let's go.
Speaker 4: Because I didn't make that ship. I can get you
Speaker 4: off that right now.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get.
Speaker 4: Like, that's my life. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: But again I realized that now too, at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, I'd be like, damn, these niggas be
Speaker 4: repping and then for y'all to do that, like y'all
Speaker 4: rep for real, like your niggas rep for real, like
Speaker 4: for real for real EPMD repings. So that right there,
Speaker 4: I appreciated that too. But again at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, we was kids not knowing. I was just
Speaker 4: making what we thought it was dope, period, And that's
Speaker 4: what we did. We made what we thought it was
Speaker 4: Dope and the world Man and and and again, don't forget.
Speaker 4: We had the I couldn't come whack? Can you imagine
Speaker 4: you at home? And then Crammed the Crammed understand came
Speaker 4: on first. Yes, that was Red Alert playing that right.
Speaker 1: So the next.
Speaker 4: You know, Craig mac came to my house because Craig
Speaker 4: makes come to my house all the time at my
Speaker 4: grandma's house. Yes, we used to Me and Craig Matt
Speaker 4: used to listen to the radio and see what's coming
Speaker 4: on next. So we heard publicking number one together and
Speaker 4: we heard nobody beats the Biz. So now right, and
Speaker 4: then then the next week I came in the door.
Speaker 1: That was for me.
Speaker 2: So so now don't forget. Then you have question.
Speaker 4: You had KOs one with the bridge and and and
Speaker 4: all that, so we have I got all these people
Speaker 4: to watch. Don't forget me and Paris is the last
Speaker 4: one out from the era. Don't forget you got Robin
Speaker 4: with canes out, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so we know school the last one.
Speaker 4: Now that's the next era. Some of as far as
Speaker 4: me and Paris listening, you hear what we heard. We
Speaker 4: heard kaos one, we heard light, we heard biz, We
Speaker 4: heard rock Him and we heard Public Enemy.
Speaker 2: So imagine you sitting there, so how do we have
Speaker 2: to have to come when you hear that?
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because you guys sounded nothing like anybody
Speaker 1: you was inspired by.
Speaker 4: Well rock him.
Speaker 2: You felt like you sounded like rock Him.
Speaker 4: Because I interview Paris said it into what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Niggas said, we signed the music was black. We have
Speaker 4: to the album strictly business. Help him, you don't sign it.
Speaker 4: But this is what they were saying. Okay, then don't
Speaker 4: forget though, when that e pm D ship was going
Speaker 4: on in rock Him from the next town. Whatever that shit,
Speaker 4: I ain't no joke. Whatever. You can get a smack
Speaker 4: for this. Then EPMD came out like a Digham smack.
Speaker 4: You smacked me and I smack you back. So niggas
Speaker 4: thought that that was the disc again that if you
Speaker 4: don't know that, the hood took that. So now rock
Speaker 4: Him is pissed. I'm like, damn no way. It was
Speaker 4: no way you want beef with him. We can't beat him.
Speaker 4: It came so so Denny says a brother said, diggum,
Speaker 4: I never dug and he couldn't have. Finally enough, so
Speaker 4: I drug him and the dangers on the curve. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: we in trouble, were in trouble. All of a sudden
Speaker 4: we saw about the place called the building, and Paris
Speaker 4: saw him in Paris squats the beef. What did parents do?
Speaker 4: What are you saying about these at the bar? And
Speaker 4: like you talked to him and the ship was squashed.
Speaker 4: But again the Hood made that beef just because of
Speaker 4: what you thought you might have heard. So I'm forgeting
Speaker 4: if your man gashed up said you heard him say
Speaker 4: that ship smack me or smack you back? So it
Speaker 4: went crazy. So now you're going we only two towns
Speaker 4: over Brentwood then wine dance right here. Wow, that's my
Speaker 4: mentor who I'm watching who I wouldn't even be going
Speaker 4: that far if I never heard him. My melody and
Speaker 4: fucking every president was the ship. That's what I based
Speaker 4: my shoe off of him. You don't know that, but
Speaker 4: I'm telling you that's incredible.
Speaker 1: And he thinks you dissed them. You don't think that's
Speaker 1: the Hood did it? So they so you ain't had
Speaker 1: no d M back then we'd be like it was.
Speaker 2: No, it was the bar when parasaw him it was
Speaker 2: too late for that.
Speaker 4: It's too late because once that came whatever and then
Speaker 4: we said sounding like the all we said, the virus
Speaker 4: said the all like nigga, you.
Speaker 1: Can said this the awe and the music was wet, worse,
Speaker 1: and he said, did not follow.
Speaker 4: Leather came out, but it's the dig that I never
Speaker 4: dug it. You couldn't follow that. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: we in trouble, and he twitched it up.
Speaker 2: I was so young.
Speaker 1: I didn't even all of that went over my head.
Speaker 4: Ya No, I said it. That's what all this ship?
Speaker 3: You heard? No say that.
Speaker 4: But the rock record came from me with the autobiography,
Speaker 4: that all that ship he said. He said the same
Speaker 4: thing I told him. He said it in the rhyme Wow, Jesus.
Speaker 4: That day when I went with the street, we talked
Speaker 4: about that story.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And the next thing, you know, he wrote it in
Speaker 4: the rhyme.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's That's how motherfucking good artist is. You
Speaker 3: sit around, we talked, and then we're writing about that
Speaker 3: ship that you just talked about.
Speaker 4: Right, drink, we did it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
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